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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: the claw on July 26, 2011, 09:55:46 PM
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okay with all the gloom about the place lets not forget the work that has been done. yes we are miles away but we do have a few building blocks in place.
i had a think on the 22 i would like to see next yr on a regular basis. i took into account experience size structure and of course a huge emphasis on the future. ive tried to select as many good kicks as possible and most definately as few poor decision makers as possible.
i looked at blokes like derickx who has had injury and is new to afl. the same goes for dea had a lot of injury but a young player i really like.
i also took into account the amount of time the coach killers have been around some have size strength and yes experience but i tried to work out if we had enough big bodies in particular to allow us to do away with these players.
personally i have 7 players in the gun from the list proper. i have tried to work out contracts and weather we have an abundance of type or weather we cant cover the loss/or will they be missed of those to be delisted. people may say some have trade value so be it, trade em but if we cant get a trade delist em.
those 7 are Jackson, White, Taylor, Farmer, Edwards, Thursfield, and Graham.
useing a bit of common sense if graham goes as he should we need to target a mature ruckman and not just sit back and hope a rookie like derickx will stand up.
i also have 4 rookies in the gun they are Miller, Hislop, Hicks, Westhoff. that means orielly will be given a contract jakobi retained and contin re rookied i still think this kid has the goods.
again common sense says by depleting the kpf stocks by getting rid of miller and westhoff we need to at the very least take 1 kpf in the draft/trade/rookie period.
anyway the side id like to see most next yr does offer some hope for the future it goes.
B/ Dea - Rance - Grimes.
HB/ Moore - Astbury - Batchelor.
C/ Conca - Martin - Newman.
R/ Derickx - Deledio - Cotchin.
HF/ Helbig - Riewoldt - Pick 10.
F/ Vickery - Griffiths - Macdonald.
Int/ Tuck - Foley - Houli - Nahas/Grigg.
of course with tuck and newman we have a couple of short term solutions due to age, moore may not recover from his hips. nahas and grigg imo are the better options going forward than others who have been cut doesnt say much about my confidence in them. then theres macdonald and dea who for various reasons havent done a lot. but there is improvement in nearly every player listed and those that dont bring something we need to the table if only in the short term.
to my way of thinking two very good drafts 2011 2012 where we actually find 6 or 8 players some astute trades where we find 3 or 4 older types and come 2013 while probably not a a top side we will have become competetive against most sides. the road is very long but there is some light at the end of the tunnell if you just look hard enough. to me the pin prick of light wont become a full on glare for at least 3 or 4 yrs, so patience people. just lower the short term expectation because the next couple of seasons are likely to be just as tough as the last 2.
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What I like is that the half dozen youngest players on the list are all in the team.
Same as my side for next season.
Expect I'd have oreilly in front of dea but happy with either.
Newman needs to go forward or mid.
Macdonald spot is a worry. He's done nothing this year to indicate he'll good enough for the small forward role. Troy Taylor would have been ideal.
Using claw 22 as a then filling in coburg team for next season shows what area we need to draft/trade next couple years.
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Looks to be a reasonable team claw. I like the look of the back 6 as it has good height and after another pre season it should have good bulk which is lacking at the moment. Derickx is interesting given he is exacly what we need. My opinion is the few training sessions i watched early this year and the limited game time he had in the nab cup he has shown 100% more than Browne & Gus combined. Cross fingers next year he is injury free and shows what he can produce because he can chase down and lay great tackles and he can take a great contested mark. How great would it be to see a Richmond ruckman take a big grab at a crucial stage in a game :pray
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Overall looks a well thought out list. Just a few points:
-I would definitely add McGuane to your 7 to be de-listed. I noticed he wasn't in your starting 22, so hopefully this was just an oversight.
-I'm not sure about your enthusiasm for Dea. From the little we saw of him at senior level last year last year, his decision-making and execution was appalling. Maybe it's the basketball background, but he still has a long way to go to turn these initial perceptions around IMO.
-Ditto Derickx. Prior to his latest injury I saw a fair bit of him at Coburg, and there was very little to get excited about.
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anyway the side id like to see most next yr does offer some hope for the future it goes.
B/ Dea - Rance - Grimes.
HB/ Moore - Astbury - Batchelor.
C/ Conca - Martin - Newman.
R/ Derickx - Deledio - Cotchin.
HF/ Helbig - Riewoldt - Pick 10.
F/ Vickery - Griffiths - Macdonald.
Int/ Tuck - Foley - Houli - Nahas/Grigg.
Don't disagree with some of your sentiments claw, but that is a shockingly unbalanced side. Top heavy at both ends, not enough ball users or run in the back half. No way are we going with Riewoldt, Vickery, Macdonald and Griffiths in the same forward line. We'd get absolutely slaughtered on the rebound. APart from needing a bigger bodied ruckman, we desperately need more transition pace. Hopefully pick 10 is bloody quick.
Doubt that Tuck will be there and if we get a McIntosh or similar, we have to give up something, so I'd say Foley or someone similar wouldn't be there either.
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Here's my 22 for 2012 with fairly realistic inclusions:
fb: batchelor rance newman
hb: grimes post deledio
c: conca cotchin morton
hf: houli griffiths king
ff: helbig vickery reiwoldt
foll: clarke martin foley
int: webberley astbury pick 1 mcguane(sub)
In: Z Clarke(freo), H McIntosh, Pick 1(midfielder)
Out: Thursfield, Moore, Miller, Hislop, White, Taylor, Farmer, Tuck, Hicks, Graham
Possible delistings for 2012: Edwards, Nason, Nahas, Jackson, Browne, Gourdis
I believe Post will do similar to what Rance has done this year. He's had very similar treatment this year to what Rance did last year
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Here's my 22 for 2012 with fairly realistic inclusions:
fb: batchelor rance newman
hb: grimes post deledio
c: conca cotchin morton
hf: houli griffiths king
ff: helbig vickery reiwoldt
foll: clarke martin foley
int: webberley astbury pick 1 mcguane(sub)
In: Z Clarke(freo), H McIntosh, Pick 1(midfielder)
Out: Thursfield, Moore, Miller, Hislop, White, Taylor, Farmer, Tuck, Hicks, Graham
Possible delistings for 2012: Edwards, Nason, Nahas, Jackson, Browne, Gourdis
I believe Post will do similar to what Rance has done this year. He's had very similar treatment this year to what Rance did last year
I take it by Pick 1 you mean our first pick?!
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those 7 are Jackson, White, Taylor, Farmer, Edwards, Thursfield, and Graham.
i also have 4 rookies in the gun they are Miller, Hislop, Hicks, Westhoff.
B/ Dea - Rance - Grimes.
HB/ Moore - Astbury - Batchelor.
C/ Conca - Martin - Newman.
R/ Derickx - Deledio - Cotchin.
HF/ Helbig - Riewoldt - Pick 10.
F/ Vickery - Griffiths - Macdonald.
Int/ Tuck - Foley - Houli - Nahas/Grigg.
I agree with all your delisting/trades though I feel we may have to give up a good player to trade well this year. A bit like when we traded our Collins, this decision/s may not be immediately popular with every supporter.
In terms of the team, I most like what you have put together. For mine, I'm not convinced Moore and Dea will be in the backline. Moore would be a short term fix at best and, despite what some posters on here feel, McGuane may be a better long term option. Secondly, I agree with RR here, the backline seems a little tall and lacking rebounding defenders. I would suggest moving either of Newman, Deledio, Grigg or Conca back to fill this role, preferably one of the first two.
Looking at your team, I see a desperate need for midfielder depth too. Tuck is not in our long term plans so we will definitely need another handful of midfielders to add to the mix come next year. I am hopeful of Helbig and if Contin can come through that would be exactly the type pf player we need to replace Tucky in the future. Once we have shored up our talls, it should allow us more room to add these midfielders.
Until McDonald and Derickx have shown anything to even vaguely warrant a spot then I would go with Nahas and our newly traded for ruckman. I'm hopeful both will come through, especially Derickx, but with Vickery and Nahas some of our best players this year, I feel they have more to offer presently (assuming we secure a number one ruckman of course :P)
Still a fair few holes and little to no depth so the trade period and draft time has never been more crucial to our future.
Good attempt thoug claw and I agree with you - lots to be positive about! :thumbsup
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another positive is that we have not sunk to the depths of port...yet. :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXatqcigUFw
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Ok, so something positive....we will finish this year near the bottom which will give us better draft picks than had we finished 9th..... :lol
We will be able to off load some of the rubbish players at the end of the year that call themselves AFL players..... :thumbsup
Great stuff!!!
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all the potential positives we may have had this yr are gone, forget it , we have no positives facts are we have not progressed at all, yeah we turned over players yet its done sweet FA
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all the potential positives we may have had this yr are gone, forget it , we have no positives facts are we have not progressed at all, yeah we turned over players yet its done sweet FA
Think about the future for christs sake. We'll get a ruckman from another club. Maybe 2 ruckman. Mark it down. We'll also get a super midfielder with our first pick. Foley, Martin, Cotchin, Conca have only had 1 full preseason in the last 2-3 years. These 4 will be fitter and a top 10 midfielder will be added to this group plus 2 new high jumping ruckman will be giving them first use of the ball. The midfield will be twice as good in 2012.
The defence will be stronger with the return of Grimes and Astbury and the rise of Post. The forward line will improve as Griffiths gets more games. I think Morton has a bit to offer still and would like to see Helbig and Houli help out up forward
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Here's my 22 for 2012 with fairly realistic inclusions:
fb: batchelor rance newman
hb: grimes post deledio
c: conca cotchin morton
hf: houli griffiths king
ff: helbig vickery reiwoldt
foll: clarke martin foley
int: webberley astbury pick 1 mcguane(sub)
In: Z Clarke(freo), H McIntosh, Pick 1(midfielder)
Out: Thursfield, Moore, Miller, Hislop, White, Taylor, Farmer, Tuck, Hicks, Graham
Possible delistings for 2012: Edwards, Nason, Nahas, Jackson, Browne, Gourdis
I believe Post will do similar to what Rance has done this year. He's had very similar treatment this year to what Rance did last year
I take it by Pick 1 you mean our first pick?!
That's correct 8)
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all the potential positives we may have had this yr are gone, forget it , we have no positives facts are we have not progressed at all, yeah we turned over players yet its done sweet FA
Where was this perspective last year during the constant Tambling debates? :lol
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anyway the side id like to see most next yr does offer some hope for the future it goes.
B/ Dea - Rance - Grimes.
HB/ Moore - Astbury - Batchelor.
C/ Conca - Martin - Newman.
R/ Derickx - Deledio - Cotchin.
HF/ Helbig - Riewoldt - Pick 10.
F/ Vickery - Griffiths - Macdonald.
Int/ Tuck - Foley - Houli - Nahas/Grigg.
Don't disagree with some of your sentiments claw, but that is a shockingly unbalanced side. Top heavy at both ends, not enough ball users or run in the back half. No way are we going with Riewoldt, Vickery, Macdonald and Griffiths in the same forward line. We'd get absolutely slaughtered on the rebound. APart from needing a bigger bodied ruckman, we desperately need more transition pace. Hopefully pick 10 is bloody quick.
Doubt that Tuck will be there and if we get a McIntosh or similar, we have to give up something, so I'd say Foley or someone similar wouldn't be there either.
was reluctant to play moore down back as a running defender mainly because i think hes lost a bit of pace. im assuming his surgery will get him up and about and gain some pace.
one of his strengths imo was his pace.
tuck yep hes probably gone come yrs end but hes one id keep for the next few seasons despite his shortcomings while we find and then develop his replacements.
as for it being top heavy at both ends i disagree. the two most successful teams in recent times geelong and collingwood structure up with plenty of talls at both ends. was harley scarlett taylor mackie down back in 09 too many talls.throw in the 100kg hunt as well or the likes of enright and corey.
was mooney hawkins and rooke with ottens spending significant time forward to many talls. its what is around them and things like the agility and pace of these blokes.
was reid brown maxwell obrien goldsack too many last yr. sheesh forward collingwood play brown dawes and cloke. down back last yr stkilda played blake dawson goddard fisher and gilbert in the back half. sides are relying on size and strength and their defensive systems more than ever rather than small light quick defenders. of course you cant play dinosaurs or poorly skilled players down there but none of batchelor astbury rance dea grimes and moore (post operations) are slouches when it comes to pace. what they all will give is size and strength some run combined with decent skills and accountability.what we need to develop is a defensive system for them to work to. i have always been an advocate of bigger stronger faster with skills.
at the end of the day some of those named wont make it but imo the majority tick a lot of boxes, more boxes than most of those not named.
remember also iim hoping for at least 6 to 8 up to standard afl players from the next two drafts and im hoping for some astute trades as well. thats another 10 or so players you can add to the 22 with many usurping players named.or to put it another way a lot of those named will hopefully have their work cut out to keep their spots in the 22 to me they are the base or start. personally theres some i really hope we can upgrade on but for now they are the least of our worries.if we can build on them with another 10 players we may find we have some real depth for the first time in 30 yrs.
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all the potential positives we may have had this yr are gone, forget it , we have no positives facts are we have not progressed at all, yeah we turned over players yet its done sweet FA
again i ask, just how much did you expect them to progress at the start of the yr, having cleaned out another shedful of players on top of the shedful we delisted the yr before.
if we do another 10 this yr and bring in few seniors as replacements common sense says we may well fail to progress ladder wise next yr as well.
imo i think we found 5 players helbig houli batchelor grimes and conca thats not failure its not even treading water. its improvement of the list.find 4 more next yr and the yr after and suddenly things are not looking so glum.
yes with experience size structure age etc things are grim atm. but we all knew it would take yrs to turn these things around. was a yr similar to last yr really so unexpected i think not.if we had kept our expectations in check and used a bit of common sense rather than letting a few insignificant wins and ladder position rule our brains you would see the bigger picture.
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all the potential positives we may have had this yr are gone, forget it , we have no positives facts are we have not progressed at all, yeah we turned over players yet its done sweet FA
again i ask, just how much did you expect them to progress at the start of the yr, having cleaned out another shedful of players on top of the shedful we delisted the yr before.
if we do another 10 this yr and bring in few seniors as replacements common sense says we may well fail to progress ladder wise next yr as well.
imo i think we found 5 players helbig houli batchelor grimes and conca thats not failure its not even treading water. its improvement of the list.find 4 more next yr and the yr after and suddenly things are not looking so glum.
yes with experience size structure age etc things are grim atm. but we all knew it would take yrs to turn these things around. was a yr similar to last yr really so unexpected i think not.if we had kept our expectations in check and used a bit of common sense rather than letting a few insignificant wins and ladder position rule our brains you would see the bigger picture.
With no disrespect intended Claw.
That actually makes a whole lot of sense. :clapping
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Good posting as usual claw.
Just to ad.
Much to the chagrin of some I think that they will keep McGuane as a depth player next season (unless we recruit a mature defender) and Thursfield & Gourdis will be the ones to move on.
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Good posting as usual claw.
Just to ad.
Much to the chagrin of some I think that they will keep McGuane as a depth player next season (unless we recruit a mature defender) and Thursfield & Gourdis will be the ones to move on.
Well said. I quite like Mcguane. I'd like to see a back 6 of:
fb: batchelor rance newman
hb: grimes post deledio
Think this can become a really good defence with good height, skill, composure and size. Add Astbury or Mcguane rotating off the bench
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all the potential positives we may have had this yr are gone, forget it , we have no positives facts are we have not progressed at all, yeah we turned over players yet its done sweet FA
again i ask, just how much did you expect them to progress at the start of the yr, having cleaned out another shedful of players on top of the shedful we delisted the yr before.
if we do another 10 this yr and bring in few seniors as replacements common sense says we may well fail to progress ladder wise next yr as well.
imo i think we found 5 players helbig houli batchelor grimes and conca thats not failure its not even treading water. its improvement of the list.find 4 more next yr and the yr after and suddenly things are not looking so glum.
yes with experience size structure age etc things are grim atm. but we all knew it would take yrs to turn these things around. was a yr similar to last yr really so unexpected i think not.if we had kept our expectations in check and used a bit of common sense rather than letting a few insignificant wins and ladder position rule our brains you would see the bigger picture.
u just dont get it, u still need to progress each yr, even a little, improve each yr, even a little
BUT WE HAVENT AND THAT IS FACT!
look at our scores, percentage. the way we play, we will be lucky to win more games than last yr, and i doubt very much we will
many tiger fans like urself are too scared to accept reality, and reality is, we are crap and have not progressed!
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:lol
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all the potential positives we may have had this yr are gone, forget it , we have no positives facts are we have not progressed at all, yeah we turned over players yet its done sweet FA
again i ask, just how much did you expect them to progress at the start of the yr, having cleaned out another shedful of players on top of the shedful we delisted the yr before.
if we do another 10 this yr and bring in few seniors as replacements common sense says we may well fail to progress ladder wise next yr as well.
imo i think we found 5 players helbig houli batchelor grimes and conca thats not failure its not even treading water. its improvement of the list.find 4 more next yr and the yr after and suddenly things are not looking so glum.
yes with experience size structure age etc things are grim atm. but we all knew it would take yrs to turn these things around. was a yr similar to last yr really so unexpected i think not.if we had kept our expectations in check and used a bit of common sense rather than letting a few insignificant wins and ladder position rule our brains you would see the bigger picture.
u just dont get it, u still need to progress each yr, even a little, improve each yr, even a little
BUT WE HAVENT AND THAT IS FACT!
look at our scores, percentage. the way we play, we will be lucky to win more games than last yr, and i doubt very much we will
many tiger fans like urself are too scared to accept reality, and reality is, we are crap and have not progressed!
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Good posting as usual claw.
Just to ad.
Much to the chagrin of some I think that they will keep McGuane as a depth player next season (unless we recruit a mature defender) and Thursfield & Gourdis will be the ones to move on.
Well said. I quite like Mcguane. I'd like to see a back 6 of:
fb: batchelor rance newman
hb: grimes post deledio
Think this can become a really good defence with good height, skill, composure and size. Add Astbury or Mcguane rotating off the bench
I agree with both of you here. I like that backline also. Will be interesting to see if Astbury and McGuane can force their way into the backline. When I look at this it shows me we really do have a great deal of potential depth with our talls. Our backline is certainly not as bad as many have believed or made out earlier in year.
To state the obvious, it is our ruck department that we have the greatest need so perhaps looking at players such as Ports Trengove could be a mistake ??? :-\
Strangely enough, it appears the one area we felt was our strength appears to be lacking the most in quality and depth - our midfield and smalls. :o
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Good posting as usual claw.
Just to ad.
Much to the chagrin of some I think that they will keep McGuane as a depth player next season (unless we recruit a mature defender) and Thursfield & Gourdis will be the ones to move on.
Well said. I quite like Mcguane. I'd like to see a back 6 of:
fb: batchelor rance newman
hb: grimes post deledio
Think this can become a really good defence with good height, skill, composure and size. Add Astbury or Mcguane rotating off the bench
I agree with both of you here. I like that backline also. Will be interesting to see if Astbury and McGuane can force their way into the backline. When I look at this it shows me we really do have a great deal of potential depth with our talls. Our backline is certainly not as bad as many have believed or made out earlier in year.
To state the obvious, it is our ruck department that we have the greatest need so perhaps looking at players such as Ports Trengove could be a mistake ??? :-\
Strangely enough, it appears the one area we felt was our strength appears to be lacking the most in quality and depth - our midfield and smalls. :o
Agree on 1 ,2 and 3 Stripes, I dont get all the negative stuff comming out now, sure the losses were bad and hurt but come on. Where did you guys expect us to be? I can see the light and there is improvement in the important players and much more improvement still to come. Our bottom 6 let us down each week but they just wont be here next year or the year after.
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all the potential positives we may have had this yr are gone, forget it , we have no positives facts are we have not progressed at all, yeah we turned over players yet its done sweet FA
again i ask, just how much did you expect them to progress at the start of the yr, having cleaned out another shedful of players on top of the shedful we delisted the yr before.
if we do another 10 this yr and bring in few seniors as replacements common sense says we may well fail to progress ladder wise next yr as well.
imo i think we found 5 players helbig houli batchelor grimes and conca thats not failure its not even treading water. its improvement of the list.find 4 more next yr and the yr after and suddenly things are not looking so glum.
yes with experience size structure age etc things are grim atm. but we all knew it would take yrs to turn these things around. was a yr similar to last yr really so unexpected i think not.if we had kept our expectations in check and used a bit of common sense rather than letting a few insignificant wins and ladder position rule our brains you would see the bigger picture.
u just dont get it, u still need to progress each yr, even a little, improve each yr, even a little
BUT WE HAVENT AND THAT IS FACT!
look at our scores, percentage. the way we play, we will be lucky to win more games than last yr, and i doubt very much we will
many tiger fans like urself are too scared to accept reality, and reality is, we are crap and have not progressed!
well i can agree we are crap that much you have right.but your wrong if you think we have not improved, not neccesarily with on field results, for decent results to occur you need the cattle. now your not bitching on here and trying tell everyone we have the cattle thus we should be doing better and winning more games are you now, that would be delusional. we have improved in several areas improvement does not neccesarily mean wins, scores, percentage, game style etc etc. these things can go backwards but the list can still improve. which it has. the list equals cattle.
next yr i fully expect us to be just as crap and may even go worse if we clean out a lot of players as we should. to grow your list there is absolutely nothing that says you should improve on field each yr. it aint going to happen it wont happen to a large degree until the likes of martin batchelor astbury grimes vickery helbig etc etc have got to 100 games and this yrs and next yrs gets to 50 odd.it wont happen until these blokes get some size strength and experience. the thing is we are set to become even more inexperienced with many new faces being undersized and lacking strength.
if you want to gauge improvement on on field success alone you had want to pray and hope they they take a shedload of mature big bodies this coming trade and draft period.
personally i hope they stick to the youth policy in the main, and bite the bullet knowing we will continue to be crap or god forbid it will have ferals everywhere pulling their hair out maybe go back wards.
ive said it a few times far to many are focusing on wins and on field results and the short term.
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Good posting as usual claw.
Just to ad.
Much to the chagrin of some I think that they will keep McGuane as a depth player next season (unless we recruit a mature defender) and Thursfield & Gourdis will be the ones to move on.
if gourdis and thursfield go id agree. if mcguane and thursfield go they may keep gourdis. i think either way thursfield is gone and one of gourdis mcguane is gone, i hope gourdis is the one they keep.i know hes not done much but i can see him putting it all together clicking if you like imo he has time and attributes over the other two.
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the other two what you see is what is you get. it aint gunna get much better. gourdis at least has scope to improve.
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Good posting as usual claw.
Just to ad.
Much to the chagrin of some I think that they will keep McGuane as a depth player next season (unless we recruit a mature defender) and Thursfield & Gourdis will be the ones to move on.
Well said. I quite like Mcguane. I'd like to see a back 6 of:
fb: batchelor rance newman
hb: grimes post deledio
Think this can become a really good defence with good height, skill, composure and size. Add Astbury or Mcguane rotating off the bench
I agree with both of you here. I like that backline also. Will be interesting to see if Astbury and McGuane can force their way into the backline. When I look at this it shows me we really do have a great deal of potential depth with our talls. Our backline is certainly not as bad as many have believed or made out earlier in year.
To state the obvious, it is our ruck department that we have the greatest need so perhaps looking at players such as Ports Trengove could be a mistake ??? :-\
Strangely enough, it appears the one area we felt was our strength appears to be lacking the most in quality and depth - our midfield and smalls. :o
If we can add something like Z. Clarke, H. McIntosh and a midfielder(top 10 pick), our midfield should be a real strength on the back of Foley, Martin, Cotchin, and Conca completing only their 2nd preseason in recent years. We'll need to draft a small forward this year too
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Good posting as usual claw.
Just to ad.
Much to the chagrin of some I think that they will keep McGuane as a depth player next season (unless we recruit a mature defender) and Thursfield & Gourdis will be the ones to move on.
Well said. I quite like Mcguane. I'd like to see a back 6 of:
fb: batchelor rance newman
hb: grimes post deledio
Think this can become a really good defence with good height, skill, composure and size. Add Astbury or Mcguane rotating off the bench
I agree with both of you here. I like that backline also. Will be interesting to see if Astbury and McGuane can force their way into the backline. When I look at this it shows me we really do have a great deal of potential depth with our talls. Our backline is certainly not as bad as many have believed or made out earlier in year.
To state the obvious, it is our ruck department that we have the greatest need so perhaps looking at players such as Ports Trengove could be a mistake ??? :-\
Strangely enough, it appears the one area we felt was our strength appears to be lacking the most in quality and depth - our midfield and smalls. :o
If we can add something like Z. Clarke, H. McIntosh and a midfielder(top 10 pick), our midfield should be a real strength on the back of Foley, Martin, Cotchin, and Conca completing only their 2nd preseason in recent years. We'll need to draft a small forward this year too
Wouldnt even think another midfielder or small forward until our Backline has depth, this will need to be a focus as well as the Ruck! Trengove would suit.
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all the potential positives we may have had this yr are gone, forget it , we have no positives facts are we have not progressed at all, yeah we turned over players yet its done sweet FA
again i ask, just how much did you expect them to progress at the start of the yr, having cleaned out another shedful of players on top of the shedful we delisted the yr before.
if we do another 10 this yr and bring in few seniors as replacements common sense says we may well fail to progress ladder wise next yr as well.
imo i think we found 5 players helbig houli batchelor grimes and conca thats not failure its not even treading water. its improvement of the list.find 4 more next yr and the yr after and suddenly things are not looking so glum.
yes with experience size structure age etc things are grim atm. but we all knew it would take yrs to turn these things around. was a yr similar to last yr really so unexpected i think not.if we had kept our expectations in check and used a bit of common sense rather than letting a few insignificant wins and ladder position rule our brains you would see the bigger picture.
u just dont get it, u still need to progress each yr, even a little, improve each yr, even a little
BUT WE HAVENT AND THAT IS FACT!
look at our scores, percentage. the way we play, we will be lucky to win more games than last yr, and i doubt very much we will
many tiger fans like urself are too scared to accept reality, and reality is, we are crap and have not progressed!
and I agree
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speaking to mates employed at opposition clubs, overall we havent improved one bit..
If we have improved in a certain facet of the game, we have lost ground in other areas.
Opposition clubs say we are far too predictable, dont change it up enough and once beaten we throw the towel in completely.
You have to all admit, it certainly looks that way.
Hardwick said pre season he wanted the group to stick to structures etc and to be predictable.
Its seems we are way too predictable we are easy pickings for the opposition clubs
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speaking to mates employed at opposition clubs, overall we havent improved one bit..
If we have improved in a certain facet of the game, we have lost ground in other areas.
Opposition clubs say we are far too predictable, dont change it up enough and once beaten we throw the towel in completely.
You have to all admit, it certainly looks that way.
Hardwick said pre season he wanted the group to stick to structures etc and to be predictable.
Its seems we are way too predictable we are easy pickings for the opposition clubs
Of course we've improved. Not much as a team yet, but individuals have shown great signs this year. We caught teams by surprise all of a sudden last year, but this year teams have been ready for us. We'll have another good cleanout and other players will show great signs next year while the rest of our list will improve
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Good posting as usual claw.
Just to ad.
Much to the chagrin of some I think that they will keep McGuane as a depth player next season (unless we recruit a mature defender) and Thursfield & Gourdis will be the ones to move on.
Well said. I quite like Mcguane. I'd like to see a back 6 of:
fb: batchelor rance newman
hb: grimes post deledio
Think this can become a really good defence with good height, skill, composure and size. Add Astbury or Mcguane rotating off the bench
I agree with both of you here. I like that backline also. Will be interesting to see if Astbury and McGuane can force their way into the backline. When I look at this it shows me we really do have a great deal of potential depth with our talls. Our backline is certainly not as bad as many have believed or made out earlier in year.
To state the obvious, it is our ruck department that we have the greatest need so perhaps looking at players such as Ports Trengove could be a mistake ??? :-\
Strangely enough, it appears the one area we felt was our strength appears to be lacking the most in quality and depth - our midfield and smalls. :o
If we can add something like Z. Clarke, H. McIntosh and a midfielder(top 10 pick), our midfield should be a real strength on the back of Foley, Martin, Cotchin, and Conca completing only their 2nd preseason in recent years. We'll need to draft a small forward this year too
Wouldnt even think another midfielder or small forward until our Backline has depth, this will need to be a focus as well as the Ruck! Trengove would suit.
Our backline has depth. But we've hardly played some of them and must play them alot. Trengrove will only get in the way imo. We need a ruckman 10 times more. Better midfield=better defence
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Good posting as usual claw.
Just to ad.
Much to the chagrin of some I think that they will keep McGuane as a depth player next season (unless we recruit a mature defender) and Thursfield & Gourdis will be the ones to move on.
Well said. I quite like Mcguane. I'd like to see a back 6 of:
fb: batchelor rance newman
hb: grimes post deledio
Think this can become a really good defence with good height, skill, composure and size. Add Astbury or Mcguane rotating off the bench
I agree with both of you here. I like that backline also. Will be interesting to see if Astbury and McGuane can force their way into the backline. When I look at this it shows me we really do have a great deal of potential depth with our talls. Our backline is certainly not as bad as many have believed or made out earlier in year.
To state the obvious, it is our ruck department that we have the greatest need so perhaps looking at players such as Ports Trengove could be a mistake ??? :-\
Strangely enough, it appears the one area we felt was our strength appears to be lacking the most in quality and depth - our midfield and smalls. :o
If we can add something like Z. Clarke, H. McIntosh and a midfielder(top 10 pick), our midfield should be a real strength on the back of Foley, Martin, Cotchin, and Conca completing only their 2nd preseason in recent years. We'll need to draft a small forward this year too
Talk about batting off to fantasies... Zac Clarke and H.Macintosh my ass. Grow up man not going to get them and not for a 2nd and 3rd rounder like youre hoping :lol
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speaking to mates employed at opposition clubs, overall we havent improved one bit..
If we have improved in a certain facet of the game, we have lost ground in other areas.
Opposition clubs say we are far too predictable, dont change it up enough and once beaten we throw the towel in completely.
You have to all admit, it certainly looks that way.
Hardwick said pre season he wanted the group to stick to structures etc and to be predictable.
Its seems we are way too predictable we are easy pickings for the opposition clubs
which areas have we lost ground in?
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I would say getting flogged in Centre clearances and opposition goals from stoppages
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Good posting as usual claw.
Just to ad.
Much to the chagrin of some I think that they will keep McGuane as a depth player next season (unless we recruit a mature defender) and Thursfield & Gourdis will be the ones to move on.
Well said. I quite like Mcguane. I'd like to see a back 6 of:
fb: batchelor rance newman
hb: grimes post deledio
Think this can become a really good defence with good height, skill, composure and size. Add Astbury or Mcguane rotating off the bench
I agree with both of you here. I like that backline also. Will be interesting to see if Astbury and McGuane can force their way into the backline. When I look at this it shows me we really do have a great deal of potential depth with our talls. Our backline is certainly not as bad as many have believed or made out earlier in year.
To state the obvious, it is our ruck department that we have the greatest need so perhaps looking at players such as Ports Trengove could be a mistake ??? :-\
Strangely enough, it appears the one area we felt was our strength appears to be lacking the most in quality and depth - our midfield and smalls. :o
If we can add something like Z. Clarke, H. McIntosh and a midfielder(top 10 pick), our midfield should be a real strength on the back of Foley, Martin, Cotchin, and Conca completing only their 2nd preseason in recent years. We'll need to draft a small forward this year too
Wouldnt even think another midfielder or small forward until our Backline has depth, this will need to be a focus as well as the Ruck! Trengove would suit.
Our backline has depth. But we've hardly played some of them and must play them alot. Trengrove will only get in the way imo. We need a ruckman 10 times more. Better midfield=better defence
I tend to agree. Priority 1 should be a ruck. However another key defender would be ideal. No doubt we will delist a couple. I could see Trengove and/or Astbury being utility type players with Rance, Grimes and Moore holding the Key back positions.
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Good posting as usual claw.
Just to ad.
Much to the chagrin of some I think that they will keep McGuane as a depth player next season (unless we recruit a mature defender) and Thursfield & Gourdis will be the ones to move on.
Well said. I quite like Mcguane. I'd like to see a back 6 of:
fb: batchelor rance newman
hb: grimes post deledio
Think this can become a really good defence with good height, skill, composure and size. Add Astbury or Mcguane rotating off the bench
I agree with both of you here. I like that backline also. Will be interesting to see if Astbury and McGuane can force their way into the backline. When I look at this it shows me we really do have a great deal of potential depth with our talls. Our backline is certainly not as bad as many have believed or made out earlier in year.
To state the obvious, it is our ruck department that we have the greatest need so perhaps looking at players such as Ports Trengove could be a mistake ??? :-\
Strangely enough, it appears the one area we felt was our strength appears to be lacking the most in quality and depth - our midfield and smalls. :o
If we can add something like Z. Clarke, H. McIntosh and a midfielder(top 10 pick), our midfield should be a real strength on the back of Foley, Martin, Cotchin, and Conca completing only their 2nd preseason in recent years. We'll need to draft a small forward this year too
Wouldnt even think another midfielder or small forward until our Backline has depth, this will need to be a focus as well as the Ruck! Trengove would suit.
Our backline has depth. But we've hardly played some of them and must play them alot. Trengrove will only get in the way imo. We need a ruckman 10 times more. Better midfield=better defence
You have said that Trengove will get in the way before...are you kidding me, he wopuld be an asset... our backline has depth..crap, who are our big bodied defenders?????? Even when our current midfielders are on top we are killed in defence...for Gods sake have a look at the results.
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In the world of MadTiger, Cleve Hughes and Luke McGuane are stars while future prospects like Trengove will only get in the way of the brilliance of our backline of Gods
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In the world of MadTiger, Cleve Hughes and Luke McGuane are stars while future prospects like Trengove will only get in the way of the brilliance of our backline of Gods
:thumbsup :clapping.......Sure lets get the ruck sorted out but hell, our spine is broken in 3 places..CHF & CHB, as well as the tailbone.
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if gourdis and thursfield go id agree. if mcguane and thursfield go they may keep gourdis. i think either way thursfield is gone and one of gourdis mcguane is gone, i hope gourdis is the one they keep.i know hes not done much but i can see him putting it all together clicking if you like imo he has time and attributes over the other two.
and unlike the other two, gourdis is consistantly in the bests at the lower level, which indicates he can actually play, whether he can get that going at senior level is another question
the only thing thrustfield and mcgnome have been best in is the girl's legs competition
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has anyone seen my dog?
(http://www.p-wholesale.com/upimg/25/79a1/inflatable-dog-192.jpg)
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has anyone seen my dog?
(http://www.p-wholesale.com/upimg/25/79a1/inflatable-dog-192.jpg)
He was roaming around here yesterday Gerks but didn't hang around for long, I think he punctured a hole in his toy and has got to look for a new one?? ;D ;D
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We have a very young backline without any experienced monster defenders to take the pressure off the developing talls. It is a joke that we find ourselves in a position where Rance has to be our FB at the ripe old age of 21 BUT he is showing all the signs of becoming a solid rock in our D050 for the next decade. Grimes is a stick figure with extender arms who has pace but lacks confidence and experience BUT with time to develop size, poise and experience, he could well be our CHB for years to come. Astbury is still very raw and is learning the finer arts of shutting down his direct opponent BUT he is a fantastic overhead mark, excellent kick and with additional strength and education will earn his number ten times over.
McGuane is our most experienced tall defender atm at 24 years of age. Moore is more a midsized defender at present and nearing the end of his career. Thursfield is a depth player at best and Post a developing tall.
We have the foundations there, we just need time to build on it without parts of it falling down
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I like the Ass berry, but fantastic mark and excellent kick? Bit early to know if that's the case. and would rather him up forward if he truly is a great mark and kick
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has anyone seen my dog?
(http://www.p-wholesale.com/upimg/25/79a1/inflatable-dog-192.jpg)
He was roaming around here yesterday Gerks but didn't hang around for long, I think he punctured a hole in his toy and has got to look for a new one?? ;D ;D
Cans you are a funny bastard :cheers