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Football => View from the Outer => Topic started by: WilliamPowell on July 31, 2011, 09:14:37 PM
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What a surprise
Caro reporting Bailey's goneski, sacked at 8.00pm
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/melbourne-demons/demons-sack-bailey-20110731-1i6hh.html
Demons sack Bailey Caroline Wilson
July 31, 2011 - 9:06PM
Melbourne has reacted harshly to Saturday's humiliating loss to Geelong by sacking coach Dean Bailey.
The coach of almost four years learned at 8pm that he was finished with the club.
Assistant coach and former captain Todd Viney is hot favourite to step in for the remainder of the season.
The decision to terminate Bailey's contract came after a crisis meeting called by the board at around 5pm, held in the wake of 24 hours of political turmoil in the wake of the debacle against the Cats.
While Bailey was a direct casualty of the Skilled Stadium defeat he is expected to be followed soon by chief executive Cameron Schwab, whose position at the club has been tenuous for some months.
Bailey came to the club before Jim Stynes administration took over the club in the middle of the 2008 season and, with his contract ending at the end of this season, has been under pressure all year despite the club sitting only six points out of the eight.
:rollin :rollin
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No surprise. No coach could survive that 186 point annihilation. Bailey had obviously lost the players.
The coaching merry-go-around will get into full now with two jobs up for grabs.
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Hopefully Scully goes too. Here here here there there there. :lol :rollin :lol
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Hopefully Scully goes too. Here here here there there there. :lol :rollin :lol
Instability with no CEO, no footy manager and no coach might make him even more keen to leave.
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take the money and run kiddo
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I'am not a fan of sacking a coach the very next day after a big defeat. Yes the writing was on the wall but I would of liked to see them let him coach the year out.
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now all they need is a list and know all from the media as coach.
I hope Lyon gets the job.
Comedy central
Edited: you know the drill Ox, you cannot make unfounded allegations on the forum :banghead
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I'am not a fan of sacking a coach the very next day after a big defeat. Yes the writing was on the wall but I would of liked to see them let him coach the year out.
If Neil Craig hadn't quit they probably could've have held out till season end but with two jobs now up for grabs they probably felt the pressure of not wanting to miss out on all candidates available. Was it either Carlton sacking Pagan or Essendon sacking Sheedy 5 years ago as soon they heard Voss put out there publicly he was considering being a senior coach only for Voss to change his mind after the sacking(s)?
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I'am not a fan of sacking a coach the very next day after a big defeat. Yes the writing was on the wall but I would of liked to see them let him coach the year out.
If Neil Craig hadn't quit they probably could've have held out till season end but with two jobs now up for grabs they probably felt the pressure of not wanting to miss out on all candidates available. Was it either Carlton sacking Pagan or Essendon sacking Sheedy 5 years ago as soon they heard Voss put out there publicly he was considering being a senior coach only for Voss to change his mind after the sacking(s)?
They could of just said they will be looking for a new coach and won't be resigning Bailey at seasons end. That would of put the ball in his court to leave now or coach till end of the season. It wouldn't of effected there future decisions. Unless they want to get a good look at Viney(guessing he takes over) in the job.
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now all they need is a list and a know all from the media as coach.
I hope Lyon gets the job.
Comedy central
Byo pipe
Edited: See above
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Hopefully Scully goes too. Here here here there there there. :lol :rollin :lol
Instability with no CEO, no footy manager and no coach might make him even more keen to leave.
Which begs the question only a big fish that has a huge ego bigger than the club would want to go there or an untried coach like Spud when he came to us. Not a good position for a footy club to be in with the shape of their list. Could be more goings when others may be out of contract 12 months from now if things are not done right after this round of sackings.
At the same time as I am laughing now could easily be us in 12 months time if we don't play our cards right on and off the field.
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The club's weekend of turmoil came days after a group of senior players visited their ailing president, Jim Stynes, and outlined a list of concerns over the internal workings of the club.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/player-revolt-preceded-humiliation-20110731-1i6k6.html#ixzz1Th1kSuQR
That is very poor of the players if they wanted Bailey gone and so it effected them not giving 100% effort in on saturday against the cats.
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Regardless what it is. It still is a 186 point loss in the record books and on the records of those 22 players who played. Terrible from all of them. Makes me feel so much better as a Richmond supporter knowing our crap is not as crappy as theirs. :lol :rollin :lol
I actually feel for Dean Bailey. Regardless as what type of coach he is/was he did not deserve this on his record.
Even Fitzroy in 1996 were not a 31 goal worse side than anyone else let alone a side this year.
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The club's weekend of turmoil came days after a group of senior players visited their ailing president, Jim Stynes, and outlined a list of concerns over the internal workings of the club.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/player-revolt-preceded-humiliation-20110731-1i6k6.html#ixzz1Th1kSuQR
That is very poor of the players if they wanted Bailey gone and so it effected them not giving 100% effort in on saturday against the cats.
No different from the Bowden sooking
Coincidentaly,our list was as insipid as Melbournes at the time...go figure.
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seems to to a bit of synergy there doesn't there?
reading that article it seems more so than ever that lyon is putting his two bobs worth in and trying to influence things, but not willing to do so from a position of responsibility.
shows a lot of character, that.
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I wish we'd sacked Wallet when we lost by 157pts.
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I wish we'd sacked Wallet when we lost by 157pts.
yep that was the first thing that came to mind when i heard about this result.
Tucker our worst is right up with the demons and that scares me.
I think if we suffer a result like that 12 months from now it will be the RFC everyone will be talking about and the tenures of March, Cameron particulary etc etc will be discussed.
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Cameron Schwab got an extension?/
Did I hear right?
:lol
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I wish we'd sacked Wallet when we lost by 157pts.
yep that was the first thing that came to mind when i heard about this result.
Tucker our worst is right up with the demons and that scares me.
I think if we suffer a result like that 12 months from now it will be the RFC everyone will be talking about and the tenures of March, Cameron particulary etc etc will be discussed.
If a team gets belted by 186 points in a coaches 3rd-4th year of development. It will always raise questions.
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I wish we'd sacked Wallet when we lost by 157pts.
yep that was the first thing that came to mind when i heard about this result.
Tucker our worst is right up with the demons and that scares me.
I think if we suffer a result like that 12 months from now it will be the RFC everyone will be talking about and the tenures of March, Cameron particulary etc etc will be discussed.
If a team gets belted by 186 points in a coaches 3rd-4th year of development. It will always raise questions.
Yep we copped that in Wallet's 3rd year and we still are paying for it and will do so for another 3 years.
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I wish we'd sacked Wallet when we lost by 157pts.
I think if we suffer a result like that 12 months from now it will be the RFC everyone will be talking about and the tenures of March, Cameron particulary etc etc will be discussed.
You don't lose by that much unless you give up. Even Gold Coast hasn't been smashed by that much.
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seems to to a bit of synergy there doesn't there?
reading that article it seems more so than ever that lyon is putting his two bobs worth in and trying to influence things, but not willing to do so from a position of responsibility.
shows a lot of character, that.
Of course it does. The cushy armchair on Channel 9 and The Footy Show make life so easy.
Too gutless to try something in an official capacity and eff up.
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I wish we'd sacked Wallet when we lost by 157pts.
I think if we suffer a result like that 12 months from now it will be the RFC everyone will be talking about and the tenures of March, Cameron particulary etc etc will be discussed.
You don't lose by that much unless you give up. Even Gold Coast hasn't been smashed by that much.
Give up or not give any effort in the first place?
No team should be beaten by that much. IMO the difference from top to bottom isn't that big.
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I concur with the thoughts expressed on here so far, good on them for having the plums to stand up and say people will be held accountable for unacceptable performances.
Not sacking Wallace after the Geelong game set us back 3 years at least.
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Look who is back from beige
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underrated site
i go there for all the inside information (sorry jackstar)
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and there's only 12 posts a day, so you never miss out on anything. Freezer occasionally pops in too.
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Nothing smokes me out like a thread discussing TTMOTF.
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Whatever mate. You and black back posting there. Don't make me bring back Barge LMFAO
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Nothing smokes me out like a thread discussing TTMOTF.
Don't be surprised if you see him throw his hat in the ring for the Melbourne job ;) ;) ;) ;)
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On a serious note, this could be bad news for Hardwick.
Cameron is well known to be a strong Bailey fan and will want to give him a 5 year contract.
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On a serious note, this could be bad news for Hardwick.
Cameron is well known to be a strong Bailey fan and will want to give him a 5 year contract.
That would be the end of us.
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Bailey quoted on news.com.au as saying he coached for draft picks, aka, tanking. Sorry can't copy the link.
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Bailey quoted on news.com.au as saying he coached for draft picks, aka, tanking. Sorry can't copy the link.
yep just seen that on my local 6 o'clock news.
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"I had no hesitation at all in the first two years of ensuring this club was well placed for draft picks," Bailey said.
"I have no hesitation in what we've done. I think what we've done is the right thing by the club and if it cost me my job so be it. But the club is always bigger than the individual."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/119906/default.aspx
:lol
eff me
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Fair bit of hysteria in this since he said it I reckon.
It's no secret coaches manipulate their sides to try and get picks, but until a player comes out and says we didn't try to win then it is a non issue.
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but has he taken his eye off the ball?
what he is saying is that although there are development reasons for doing what he did, his primary aim was to not win too many games.
that ended up well.
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Fair bit of hysteria in this since he said it I reckon.
It's no secret coaches manipulate their sides to try and get picks, but until a player comes out and says we didn't try to win then it is a non issue.
And so there should be too. Of course everybody knows it, that's not the issue. The issue is that our fearless leaders repeatedly assured us that tanking wasn't happening when we all knew otherwise. And surprise, surprise, despite these admissions from Bailey, Adrian Anderson says the matter will be taken no further. The AFL has ZERO CREDIBILITY. I hope the media has the guts to turn the blowtorch on them.
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Fair bit of hysteria in this since he said it I reckon.
It's no secret coaches manipulate their sides to try and get picks, but until a player comes out and says we didn't try to win then it is a non issue.
And so there should be too. Of course everybody knows it, that's not the issue. The issue is that our fearless leaders repeatedly assured us that tanking wasn't happening when we all knew otherwise. And surprise, surprise, despite these admissions from Bailey, Adrian Anderson says the matter will be taken no further. The AFL has ZERO CREDIBILITY. I hope the media has the guts to turn the blowtorch on them.
Agree RR
The tanking debate is back on! Hopefully the debate about whether Jordan McMahon's goal cost us Tom Scully will re-open too.
There are 2 issues for mine as a tiger supporter;
firstly can we aim to get compo in the form of a No.1 draft pick (Top 5 at worst) in return for this flagrant breaching of the spirit of the game, I don't know much about the afl legals, but a lot of sports codes have a 'spirit of the game' clause they can enact if a club cheats or breaks a rule that hasn't been written yet. AA can't just close the doors on it this easily imo. C'mon Benny we need to get aggressive in these areas! Collingwood do not get all of their favours off the AFL from being Mr Nice Guys, they get them from stirring up trouble when things like this come out. C'mon the Tigers.
Secondly, it reveals the psychological damage that tanking can do. It is fools gold.
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The point is though, tanking only really exists if the players are doing it.
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if the coach plays players out of position and his primary aim is to loose, then that is tanking.
What he has admitted could never be proved... unless he admits it.
if under pressure he will simply say oh, our primary aim was to develop and we understood that would cost us wins.
what he said today seems to indicate otherwise though.
Fools Gold. :lol Brilliant :thumbsup
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The point is though, tanking only really exists if the players are doing it.
I agree to a certain point but what happens to a players psyche when they see Bailey put a Brad Miller on the ball and hide McDonald in the back pocket as they did against the tiges, they must be thinking that this coach is effen kidding himself, there is a loss of faith there somewhere, I think it helps explain why they are so wildly inconsistent and such sissies when they are losing.
Anyway what I think I am trying to say is that the players might be tanking and not even knowing it.
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At least Bailey didn't lose to the Bye in Round 18.
I don't have the link but check Port v Bye on YouTube.
You'll even get The Bye Club Song.
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At least Bailey didn't lose to the Bye in Round 18.
I don't have the link but check Port v Bye on YouTube.
You'll even get The Bye Club Song.
It's hilarious
the song leaves Freo's for dead ;D
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I found a link to the Port v Bye match report
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXatqcigUFw&feature=player_embedded
Here is the club song
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALRJwPmtczM
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How can Gary be on Footy Classified say he doesn't wanna coach because he doesn't want to get involved in club politics.
From the sounds of everything he says and media says he plays more politics with the club(power broker) then any coach would.
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The point is though, tanking only really exists if the players are doing it.
Didn't you see Carlton and Melbourne "fight" out the Kruezer Cup? It was played with all the intensity of circuit work.Carlton eventually won -er- that is they lost.
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We didn't play well enough in the Kruezer cup. Well, we did...
glad we have CHIMP anyway
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Tanks for the memories: Dean Bailey's lasting legacy
Stephen Rielly
From: The Australian
August 02, 2011
... which brought straight to mind ... the afternoon against the Tigers, when full-back Matthew Warnock played forward, centre half-forward Brad Miller was sent into the ruck and, at times, the ends of the ground appeared to be reversed.
After surviving a near-win experience against Richmond in round 18 -- Jordan McMahon won the game for the Tigers with a goal after the final siren, which prompted one Richmond official to later describe it as like watching a race between two cars in reverse -- Melbourne defeated a then hapless Fremantle in round 20 to claim its fourth win of the season.
One more win and the reconstruction effort, which would in several months time net Tom Scully and Jack Trengove, would be seriously compromised.
And so, by round 22, Jurrah's goals and Frawley's fine defensive performance could be permitted for only so long. Too many games had been lost for victory to get in the way.
It was actually before the final quarter began that Nick Riewoldt became suspicious. His opponent in the first quarter, James Frawley, who had kept him well under control, was strangely moved in the second term and replaced by Lynden Dunn, no one's idea of a centre half-back. Riewoldt duly cut loose and kicked three of his six goals in the quarter.
And then there was the curious decision to remove Liam Jurrah, Melbourne's most potent forward in the match, from the attack after he kicked his fourth goal. It was as if Melbourne was its own opponent.
Riewoldt, happy though he was, said later: "some strange things went on out there".
Almost two years on, and we now know with a certainty that ought to lead Andrew Demetriou to reconsider his denialist view of tanking that Melbourne had absolutely no interest in winning the match.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/tanks-for-the-memories-dean-baileys-lasting-legacy/story-e6frg7mf-1226106228242
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You can bet Andy D and AA will still remain in denial and claim tanking doesn't ever happen ::).