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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: magic17 on August 25, 2011, 05:40:08 PM
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Steven Morris, son of Richmond's Kevin, given permission to train on a modified program under rules as a potential father/son selection.
Anyone know what he's like?
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he's over playing with Nat Caruso at Westies in the SANFL, medium sized defender, doing well too i hear
mature age recruit perhaps?
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So long as he is bigger and taller than Edwards, Nason, King, Farmer, Nahas......he should be ok... ;D
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quick search
the bloods have him listed as a 185cm, 84kgs utility
http://www.westadelaidefc.com.au/TEAM/PLAYERPROFILES/38.aspx
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After a quick google image search...
(http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2010/06/10/1225878/072056-steven-morris-west-.jpg)
(http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2011/06/15/1226075/453712-morris.jpg)
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How old?
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How old?
D.O.B: 31/12/1988
So 22 years old.
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Riccuto wrote this article in July about ready made talent in the SANFL. Morris gets a notable mention.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/mature-approach-the-way-to-go/story-fn83zgw9-1226092846905
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without ever seeing him play theres an upgrade on Farmer and Connors for HB
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After a quick google image search...
(http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2010/06/10/1225878/072056-steven-morris-west-.jpg)
(http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2011/06/15/1226075/453712-morris.jpg)
Thanks but he just looks like a blur in the back left-hand corner.
Anything else?
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Been in the system for ages.can play.played twos at coburg some 5 years ago.also played a bit of suburban footy as well.good kid.worth a chance .loves a punt.lol, junior footy at St .Bernards and two years at western jets.played half back at Jets
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Morris has been named 9 times out of 16 in the West Adelaide bests this year in the SANFL with 4 B.O.Gs ...
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Steven%20Morris&action=PSTATS&pID=190810170&client=1-3289-0-151909-14319772
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finally someone with height and a good size.
Il take him now in the starting 22, ahead of at least 6 who played on the weekend
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Bio: Running utility who sets the team standards with his attack on the footy and commitment to the contest.
Can anyone say the word "BINGO!!!"
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And what's even better.he is a really level headed person .has great disciplines like his dad
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Can we still take him with a father son pick at that age?
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Been in the system for ages.can play.played twos at coburg some 5 years ago.also played a bit of suburban footy as well.good kid.worth a chance .loves a punt.lol, junior footy at St .Bernards and two years at western jets.played half back at Jets
Thanks for the background Jack. :thumbsup My only concern is that he looks a bit like Karl Langdon. :lol
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Can we still take him with a father son pick at that age?
Only if he hasn't changed fathers.
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Been in the system for ages.can play.played twos at coburg some 5 years ago.also played a bit of suburban footy as well.good kid.worth a chance .loves a punt.lol, junior footy at St .Bernards and two years at western jets.played half back at Jets
How come no one picked him at the draft? An anomoly like Barlow and the like or a late bloomer?
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from the article dooks linked too he had a knee reco
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For what it's worth..don't think footy was a priority 4-5 years.played good footy at the Jets and at St.Bernards.not overly tall but solid build like his dad.not super quick which might be an issue...Rance type
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Here's a couple of analysis about him:
Chris25's mock draft on BF:
#49 Richmond - Steve Morris (185cm defender - West Adelaide)
First mature aged draftee to feature in my draft. Morris is a 22 year old defender from the SANFL who has recovered from a knee injury in 2009, he reads the ball really well and helps out as a third man up. He also has excellent speed which makes him a really dangerous rebounding option. As a genuine ball winner, he could push up to the wing and use his speed further up the ground. He can play shorter than what he is. AFL Comparison: Paul Puopolo.
Then his response when i asked him what sort of prospect he makes:
Very nice option for Richmond. I remember reading he was invited to train with Richmond as a potential F/S pick, like 3 years ago or something. Completely forgot about it though.
He can definitely play as a lock down defender. I see him as a similar player to Graham Johncock and Paul Puopolo. So can play on the small forwards while also helping out his other defenders by cutting in front of the leading forward, but is a great rebounding option too. He has excellent speed, but more importantly has the vision to use it properly.
The other great thing about him, is that he never goes at anything at half pace. He is tough and hit hards.
I would definitely consider drafting him, and would be very interested in getting him early via a trade with GWS. But obviously Richmond have the advantage now, and I could see you getting him for a 4th rounder.
Have asked him what his kicking skills are like and will post his response when i get it.
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Regarding his foot skills:
Nothing wrong with his foot skills. They're probably something you don't really notice that much, and that isn't a bad thing as it means he isn't making big mistakes.
When he was first coming out of U18 football in 2007, he'd had a few injuries and was also playing more as an undersized forward. Wasn't until he came over to SA that he was moved to the back line, and that has improved his game. Had a knee reconstruction in his second season at West Adelaide, and that ended up costing him about half of last year too. Can't fault the way he has come back this year though.
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Morris' stats for this year from 16 games:
Kicks HB Disp. M T FF FA In50 Re50
Totals 183 125 308 56 29 20 12 22 89
Averages 11.4 7.8 19.2 3.5 1.8 1.3 0.8 1.4 5.6
Here's also some youtube SANFL highlights with Morris playing although Wests get flogged in this game.
http://www.youtube.com/user/ABCStateFooty#p/u/75/XwohcewF-3g
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If Farmer, Connors and possibly Nason are delisted or traded, draft Morris with a fourth round pick under father and son.
Need more tough, strong bodies who are quick to play on the Milne, Betts, Garlett, Ebert small forwards.
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connors and farmer wont be delisted...Nason might be in trouble, he'll proably get a chance elsewhere there's alot of comp for his spot at richmond
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This type of player must be a prime candidate for mature age rookie.
ND for the kids.
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settle down darth he's 22 mate not 32 :lol
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Will cost us a 3rd rounder at worst. 4th if we are lucky. Kid is apparently first round quality though ;)
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Someone will push up the price on principle
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For what it's worth..don't think footy was a priority 4-5 years.played good footy at the Jets and at St.Bernards.not overly tall but solid build like his dad.not super quick which might be an issue...Rance type
ridiculous comparison
Rance is 194cm Morris is 185cm. Hes very quick, plays like a larger puopulo locks down smalls and offers a lot of run and linkup play.
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Here's a pic of Morris at RFC training..
(http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2011/08/30/1226125/722178-stevenmorris.jpg)
Morris dons yellow and black
Reece Homfray
From: The Advertiser
August 30, 2011 4:52PM
BLOODS defender Steven Morris today stepped out with Richmond as the Tigers consider the 22-year-old as a father/son draft prospect.
Richmond sought permission from the AFL for Morris to train with the club at Punt Road today.
The son of Kevin Morris, who played 110 games with the Tigers in the 1970s, is eligible to join Richmond under the father/son rule, but the club has made no promises.
Morris, who joined West Adelaide in 2008, has been outstanding in a running role off half back this season.
He has also been invited to attend the AFL's state-based draft combine in October along with Port Adelaide's Justin Hoskin and West Adelaide's Rory Laird (all classed as medium defenders).
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/morris-dons-yellow-and-black/story-e6freckc-1226125739200
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And here's another pic ...
(http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2011/08/30/1226125/723423-morristraining.jpg)
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Morris to train with Richmond
Reece Homfray
From: The Advertiser
August 30, 2011
WEST Adelaide defender Steven Morris could become the SANFL's latest mature-age AFL draftee after being granted permission to train as a father/son prospect with Richmond today.
On the back of overnight SANFL success stories Paul Puopolo (Hawthorn), Nick Duigan (Carlton) and Nick Lower (Fremantle), Morris has flown to Melbourne and will train with the Tigers at Punt Road.
The 22-year-old is the son of Kevin Morris who played 110 games with Richmond in the 1970s.
Morris Snr also played 71 VFL games with Collingwood but not enough to qualify Steven as a father/son selection at the Magpies.
At 185cm and 84kg Morris is a no-frills, hard-at-it defender who has had an outstanding season under coach, triple Hawthorn premiership player Andy Collins.
Richmond head of football Craig Cameron said it was too early for the club to comment on Morris until they had seen him this week.
West Adelaide is just half-a-game outside the SANFL's top five with two games remaining and football operations manager Scott Turner said the club had no issue with Morris training with Richmond this week.
``We've been fully involved with Richmond and he won't miss any of our training,'' Turner said.
``He has been outstanding and deserves every opportunity he gets but he hasn't been promised anything, just like any young player.
``But he's incredibly professional and we hope he does get an opportunity.''
Morris was recruited from TAC Cup team the Western Jets and made his SANFL debut in 2008.
He has since played 55 league games after recovering from a knee reconstruction in 2009.
This year has been by far Morris' breakout season which has him vying for Team of the Year honours.
Richmond has until October 7 to declare whether it will use a draft selection in a bid to secure Morris under the AFL's father/son rule.
Other father/son prospects granted permission to train with AFL clubs:
Geelong - Jed Bews, son of Andrew Bews (207 games).
Port Adelaide - Tom Schwarz, son of Peter Schwarz (270 games with Woodville-West Torrens).
Carlton - Dylan Buckley, son of Jim Buckley (164 games).
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/morris-to-train-with-richmond/story-e6freckc-1226124712769
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Gee he looks like he is physically ready to go lol
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(http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2011/08/30/1226125/722178-stevenmorris.jpg)
Looks like he's got big balls.
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he can't be only 84 kilos
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he can't be only 84 kilos
at a guess, 94 kilos would be right
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hahaha yeah whatever
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anyone actually seen this fella play?
sounds to good to be true!
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Saw a pic of the tiges training in todays HUN, was wondering who that was? now I know
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Can he kick properly?
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Can he kick properly?
From reports, they say you don't notice his kicking. i.e, it's nothing spectacular, but he doesn't stuff up.
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The important thing is that he fills the big vacancy on the back flank where we only 15 players for :-X
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True. but we dont really have a good lock-down back pocket.
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True. but we dont really have a good lock-down back pocket.
Have not had one for years. Looks like he can go on smalls and mediums.
Hopefully he is the answer to the mosquitoes in the league such as Milne, Betts, Monfries, Stevie J's and such and can do good jobs on players of that ilk.
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True. but we dont really have a good lock-down back pocket.
Bring back Chaffey
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COLLINS TIPS MORRIS FOR DRAFT
West Adelaide coach Andrew Collins expects dashing defender Steven Morris to be drafted this year.
Morris has trained with Richmond as a father/son prospect but could attract interest from other clubs ahead of the national and rookie drafts.
"Yeah he will get picked up and he is good enough,'' Collins said.
"From the day Steven Morris walked in here as an 18-year-old he offered leadership and quality, and that's what he offers a footy club, (he's) not just a footballer.''
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/around-the-grounds-news/story-e6freckc-1226135048919
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Can we/ are we going to act on this kid??
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I think we should give the kid a go.
If due to the thin draft this year most clubs will be looking at the state leagues, if this kid fits the bill then lets pick him up.
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I think we should give the kid a go.
If due to the thin draft this year most clubs will be looking at the state leagues, if this kid fits the bill then lets pick him up.
Can we nominate any pick of ours to use on him in the draft? Or does it need to be a specific round pick?
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I think we should give the kid a go.
If due to the thin draft this year most clubs will be looking at the state leagues, if this kid fits the bill then lets pick him up.
Can we nominate any pick of ours to use on him in the draft? Or does it need to be a specific round pick?
Answering my own question, if we want him and no other club shows interest our last pick in the draft will be used on him. If another club wants him, they need to nominate what pick they are willing to use, and we would then need to use the pick we have prior to that pick.
Example: If North show interest and bid their 3rd round pick, we then need to use our 3rd round pick on him. If we choose not to, then North's 3rd round pick must be used on him.
The club will surely nominate to take him with their pick 109 or whatever it is, let's hope no other club shows interest! :shh
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someone will up it just to make us spend a pick and keep us honest.
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someone will up it just to make us spend a pick and keep us honest.
Took the words out of my mouth, it will happen ;)
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Boris Morris - welcome
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He only has to pass Beefcake's mandatory initiation process and he's in.
:santa
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This man will be a revelation. he will go all in.
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I think we should give the kid a go.
If due to the thin draft this year most clubs will be looking at the state leagues, if this kid fits the bill then lets pick him up.
Can we nominate any pick of ours to use on him in the draft? Or does it need to be a specific round pick?
Answering my own question, if we want him and no other club shows interest our last pick in the draft will be used on him. If another club wants him, they need to nominate what pick they are willing to use, and we would then need to use the pick we have prior to that pick.
Example: If North show interest and bid their 3rd round pick, we then need to use our 3rd round pick on him. If we choose not to, then North's 3rd round pick must be used on him.
The club will surely nominate to take him with their pick 109 or whatever it is, let's hope no other club shows interest! :shh
Not quite Norths pick is after ours so we would use our next pick. Our 4th.
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I think we should give the kid a go.
If due to the thin draft this year most clubs will be looking at the state leagues, if this kid fits the bill then lets pick him up.
Can we nominate any pick of ours to use on him in the draft? Or does it need to be a specific round pick?
Answering my own question, if we want him and no other club shows interest our last pick in the draft will be used on him. If another club wants him, they need to nominate what pick they are willing to use, and we would then need to use the pick we have prior to that pick.
Example: If North show interest and bid their 3rd round pick, we then need to use our 3rd round pick on him. If we choose not to, then North's 3rd round pick must be used on him.
The club will surely nominate to take him with their pick 109 or whatever it is, let's hope no other club shows interest! :shh
Not quite Norths pick is after ours so we would use our next pick. Our 4th.
Doesn't the pick have to be for the same round as the competing pick? Didn't think it mattered if it was before or after.
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He only has to pass Beefcake's mandatory initiation process and he's in.
:santa
ie- a slap in the face,pour a drink over his head and told to just Go All In.
Boris Morris
Angus Beefcake
VLC
Mitch Bacon
a formidable lineup....
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I think we should give the kid a go.
If due to the thin draft this year most clubs will be looking at the state leagues, if this kid fits the bill then lets pick him up.
Can we nominate any pick of ours to use on him in the draft? Or does it need to be a specific round pick?
Answering my own question, if we want him and no other club shows interest our last pick in the draft will be used on him. If another club wants him, they need to nominate what pick they are willing to use, and we would then need to use the pick we have prior to that pick.
Example: If North show interest and bid their 3rd round pick, we then need to use our 3rd round pick on him. If we choose not to, then North's 3rd round pick must be used on him.
The club will surely nominate to take him with their pick 109 or whatever it is, let's hope no other club shows interest! :shh
Not quite Norths pick is after ours so we would use our next pick. Our 4th.
If North wanted to use their 3rd rounder (say pick 60) then we would need to use our 3rd rounder (pick 55) because it is earlier in the draft then their bid.
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I think we should give the kid a go.
If due to the thin draft this year most clubs will be looking at the state leagues, if this kid fits the bill then lets pick him up.
Can we nominate any pick of ours to use on him in the draft? Or does it need to be a specific round pick?
Answering my own question, if we want him and no other club shows interest our last pick in the draft will be used on him. If another club wants him, they need to nominate what pick they are willing to use, and we would then need to use the pick we have prior to that pick.
Example: If North show interest and bid their 3rd round pick, we then need to use our 3rd round pick on him. If we choose not to, then North's 3rd round pick must be used on him.
The club will surely nominate to take him with their pick 109 or whatever it is, let's hope no other club shows interest! :shh
Not quite Norths pick is after ours so we would use our next pick. Our 4th.
correct, have to use next available pick
Edit: fixed quoting
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I think we should give the kid a go.
If due to the thin draft this year most clubs will be looking at the state leagues, if this kid fits the bill then lets pick him up.
Can we nominate any pick of ours to use on him in the draft? Or does it need to be a specific round pick?
Answering my own question, if we want him and no other club shows interest our last pick in the draft will be used on him. If another club wants him, they need to nominate what pick they are willing to use, and we would then need to use the pick we have prior to that pick.
Example: If North show interest and bid their 3rd round pick, we then need to use our 3rd round pick on him. If we choose not to, then North's 3rd round pick must be used on him.
The club will surely nominate to take him with their pick 109 or whatever it is, let's hope no other club shows interest! :shh
Not quite Norths pick is after ours so we would use our next pick. Our 4th.
If North wanted to use their 3rd rounder (say pick 60) then we would need to use our 3rd rounder (pick 55) because it is earlier in the draft then their bid.
pretty sure its our next available JVT - happy to be corrected though
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I think we should give the kid a go.
If due to the thin draft this year most clubs will be looking at the state leagues, if this kid fits the bill then lets pick him up.
Can we nominate any pick of ours to use on him in the draft? Or does it need to be a specific round pick?
Answering my own question, if we want him and no other club shows interest our last pick in the draft will be used on him. If another club wants him, they need to nominate what pick they are willing to use, and we would then need to use the pick we have prior to that pick.
Example: If North show interest and bid their 3rd round pick, we then need to use our 3rd round pick on him. If we choose not to, then North's 3rd round pick must be used on him.
The club will surely nominate to take him with their pick 109 or whatever it is, let's hope no other club shows interest! :shh
Not quite Norths pick is after ours so we would use our next pick. Our 4th.
If North wanted to use their 3rd rounder (say pick 60) then we would need to use our 3rd rounder (pick 55) because it is earlier in the draft then their bid.
pretty sure its our next available JVT - happy to be corrected though
I may be wrong, but didn't the Dogs have to use their first rounder when the Saints tried to use their later first round pick on Ayce Cordy?? :-\
Either way, looks to be a good pick up and shouldn't come too pricey :pray
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Emma Quayle on twitter is saying Morris may knock us back.
Nugz12: will the tiges F/S Steve Morris?
emmasq: "not sure. hearing he wants to stay in adelaide & may knock them back."
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Emma Quayle is usually spot on with her mail when it comes to the draft. :thumbsup
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After editing her original version 20-30 times......
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Players cant pick and choose in the draft?
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unlike a catholic girl they can knock back father son
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oh.
but he then still has to take his luck in the draft anyway?
if so it would be pretty hard to ensure he stays in Adelaide.
If that's his attitude then we are better off to look elswhere as he would probably want to go home at the first opportunity.
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oh.
but he then still has to take his luck in the draft anyway?
if so it would be pretty hard to ensure he stays in Adelaide.
If that's his attitude then we are better off to look elswhere as he would probably want to go home at the first opportunity.
Can be pre-listed by GWS and traded to an SA club as he is mature-age and entered the draft before.
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Agree with Al at this stage
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oh.
but he then still has to take his luck in the draft anyway?
if so it would be pretty hard to ensure he stays in Adelaide.
If that's his attitude then we are better off to look elswhere as he would probably want to go home at the first opportunity.
Can be pre-listed by GWS and traded to an SA club as he is mature-age and entered the draft before.
:lol
wrong again it seems
Im sticking by my last statement though. The important word in that is "IF", though.
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oh.
but he then still has to take his luck in the draft anyway?
if so it would be pretty hard to ensure he stays in Adelaide.
If that's his attitude then we are better off to look elswhere as he would probably want to go home at the first opportunity.
Can be pre-listed by GWS and traded to an SA club as he is mature-age and entered the draft before.
:lol
wrong again it seems
Im sticking by my last statement though. The important word in that is "IF", though.
Last statement wrong too. He's born and raised Victorian :lol
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with 2 clubs in 18 based in adelaide me thinks he aint a good chance of remaining there if he chooses to throw caution to the wind :shh
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Port rate him very highly unfortunately. I have heard that it will all work out and he will end up a tiger. Probably for a middle latish pick
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Port rate him very highly unfortunately. I have heard that it will all work out and he will end up a tiger. Probably for a middle latish pick
well boo hoo for port there aint a heck of alot they can do about that as thats a 1 in 18 chance, if we rate him then put up or shut up :shh
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Not forgetting of course that if he doesn't want to be picked by anyone then he simply doesn't nominate for any draft. Ball is in his court until he decides to nominate.
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pee off Port.
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This is from a Port supporter on BF:
"My guess is that he didn't expect to be pre-selected as a GWS player and traded to Port at the end of the year, hence before then he trained with you guys to improve his chances at getting into an AFL club.
And since he's settled in Adelaide and has been given the opportunity to play for an AFL club (as well as his SANFL club), he may as well play for Port."
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22437821&postcount=146
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Just on a side note, there is a bloke on bigfooty called amcre with a footnote "Martin trolling MFC since draft day" lol
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This is from a Port supporter on BF:
"My guess is that he didn't expect to be pre-selected as a GWS player and traded to Port at the end of the year, hence before then he trained with you guys to improve his chances at getting into an AFL club.
And since he's settled in Adelaide and has been given the opportunity to play for an AFL club (as well as his SANFL club), he may as well play for Port."
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22437821&postcount=146
He can't be pre selected by GWS can he? He hasnt been on a senior AFL list before :shh
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No this bloke is making poo up seriously, BF is full of BS artists, I rarely give it a glance.
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This is from a Port supporter on BF:
"My guess is that he didn't expect to be pre-selected as a GWS player and traded to Port at the end of the year, hence before then he trained with you guys to improve his chances at getting into an AFL club.
And since he's settled in Adelaide and has been given the opportunity to play for an AFL club (as well as his SANFL club), he may as well play for Port."
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22437821&postcount=146
He can't be pre selected by GWS can he? He hasnt been on a senior AFL list before :shh
He applied for the national draft before, but wasn't selected. That means he can be pre-listed.
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This is from a Port supporter on BF:
"My guess is that he didn't expect to be pre-selected as a GWS player and traded to Port at the end of the year, hence before then he trained with you guys to improve his chances at getting into an AFL club.
And since he's settled in Adelaide and has been given the opportunity to play for an AFL club (as well as his SANFL club), he may as well play for Port."
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22437821&postcount=146
He can't be pre selected by GWS can he? He hasnt been on a senior AFL list before :shh
He applied for the national draft before, but wasn't selected. That means he can be pre-listed.
My bad, I thought pre selection was for those who were on an AFL list before.
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Why would he bother coming over and training with us late in the season if being pre-listed by GWS and remaining in SA by being picked up by Port was his preferred option? I guess we'll find out the answer next Friday IIRC when the F/S nominations need to be submitted.
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Looks like now if Richmond want Morris under the Father/Son rule we can grab him....
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The Giants have offered former Woodville-West Torrens forward/midfielder Jarrod Harding - who has returned to Adelaide - as part of a deal.
Tough West Adelaide defender Steven Morris - who has trained with Richmond as a father-son prospect - has also been linked to Port as part of a complicated package. He is the son of former Tigers star Kevin Morris.
But Rohde indicated the Power is seeking other options.
"GWS has brought Jarrod's name up with us and we've spoken to the player as well but I'm not sure whether he'll be a part of any deal," Rohde said. "And it's the same with Steven. We'll catch up with the Giants in Melbourne this week (at the AFL draft combine) and see what options are available to us.
"But a lot will depend on what deals and other picks GWS gets at the start of trade week. We're trying to get an experienced player into the club and draft picks, so we'll see what unfolds."
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/port-wins-compo-for-retired-players/story-e6freco3-1226157627661
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I'd be interested to know if we actually want him. Come on Friday, hurry up.
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I'd be interested to know if we actually want him. Come on Friday, hurry up.
Taking into consideration how 'shallow' this years draft is, I reckon they will pick him up, or at least try to.
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upgrade on webberley/farmer
get it done tiges and get it done cheaply
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RT_73 Paul Ager twitter:
"@emmasq Asked yesterday, do you know anything about the Tigers nominating Morris as a F/S. Have heard that he has agreed to terms."
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I hope its true. Would like to see the club take him under the F/S rule. :thumbsup
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I hope its true. Would like to see the club take him under the F/S rule. :thumbsup
couldn't agree more...and with some of our successes like Davey Bourke, little Tommy Roach etc we're due a bit of luck :)
and yes, I know that there have been some good ones.... #12 :rollin
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Not nominating him as F/S. Port were going to bid 2nd rounder.
We will downgrade pick 14 to 15 for him.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/pies-give-up-first-draft-pick-for-clarke-20111006-1lbr3.html#ixzz1a0dpW02w (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/pies-give-up-first-draft-pick-for-clarke-20111006-1lbr3.html#ixzz1a0dpW02w)
Pick 14 > GWS
Pick 15 & Morris > Richmond
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Eat poo, Port.
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Eat poo, Port.
:lol :rollin
Revenge of Choco
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Not nominating him as F/S. Port were going to bid 2nd rounder.
We will downgrade pick 14 to 15 for him.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/pies-give-up-first-draft-pick-for-clarke-20111006-1lbr3.html#ixzz1a0dpW02w (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/pies-give-up-first-draft-pick-for-clarke-20111006-1lbr3.html#ixzz1a0dpW02w)
Pick 14 > GWS
Pick 15 & Morris > Richmond
Reported in the Australian as well ...
Meanwhle, one of the first trade deals to be done next week will be West Adelaide defender Steven Morris to Richmond.
Morris, 22, is the son of dual Tigers premiership player Kevin Morris and was also been chased by Port Adelaide.
Richmond and Greater Western Sydney are understood to have agreed to swap first-round picks to secure the deal.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/gws-may-on-trade-defender-marty-clarke/story-e6frg7mf-1226160666411
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Cameron confirmed Richmond would not select dashing West Adelaide defender STEVE MORRIS under the father-son rule but is keen for the Bloods' 22-year-old to land at Punt Rd.
This might involve Morris being pre-listed by Greater Western Sydney and traded to the Tigers in exchange for a draft pick or player.
"We won't nominate him as a father-son, we'll look at other ways of securing Stevie," Cameron said of Morris, whose father Kevin played 110 games for Richmond between 1971 and 1976.
"He's got a really strong, mature body. And he's played senior footy for quite a while now at a good standard. He's tenacious and courageous and gives everything he's got."
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-keen-to-talk-trade-deal-on-maric/story-e6frecjc-1226160655678
Morris, 22, who plays with West Adelaide, had been on the radar of Port Adelaide, but the Tigers - who did not want to use their second round draft pick via the father-son bidding process - have agreed to an exchange of first round picks, swapping their pick No. 14 for GWS's pick No. 15.
GWS had rights to both Clarke and Morris, meaning that Collingwood and Richmond have to deal with the Giants to gain the players. Under the rules for the AFL's 18th club, GWS has the right to list or trade any player who has been on a club list, or has been overlooked in previous drafts - giving the new club bargaining power.
Last year, Gold Coast traded Krakouer to Collingwood, along with another Murray Bushranger, ruckman Jonathan Ceglar, in return for pick No. 25, their first pick, and a late choice back.
The Tigers could have picked Morris, whose father Kevin was a member of the club's 1973 and 1974 premiership teams and later played for Collingwood, under the father-son rule, but they opted to trade for Morris, via GWS, to protect their second round draft pick.
Port Adelaide had shown interest in Morris, who has been performing well for West Adelaide in the SANFL, and had indicated it was willing to bid its second round pick in the father-son bidding process. This would compel the Tigers to use their second round choice to ''match'' the bid.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/pies-give-up-first-draft-pick-for-clarke-20111006-1lbr3.html#ixzz1a1JkhOzQ
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this kid could come up after half a season.
We need hardness.If he brings that.we're halfway there.
Hope he can kick tho ;D
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this kid could come up after half a season.
We need hardness.If he brings that.we're halfway there.
Hope he can kick tho ;D
Dead right Ox, bring the hard nuts in, Morris, Batch, Martin, King (god bless him)... Rance, Houli.....a few hard nuts and build on that...
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Great news if true.
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Club should try and do a similar deal to get Luke Brown from Norwood via a pre listed trade with GWS.
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glad they wont be using our secons round pick on him....it means we can still use that on Maric :outtahere
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If this deal goes through as suggested it would be a massive get.
A plug and play tough skillfully half back that will play round 1 for nothing
Like to see the naysayers find a negative in this. Claw has already said we are
Panic buying. Hilarious .
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:lol
I read that.
actually, just a 1 spot downgrade for a player we would otherwise possibly had to use our second rnd pick just about seems too good to be true.
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I'll believe it when the deal is done.
Having said that, hopefully it means we have been talking quite a bit with GWS and have a nice little menage a trois going there with Hardwick-Sheeds-Choco ;) :shh
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sounds like a good deal
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it is our first round pick we are downgrading though which is a bit of a bitch. Port Adelaide have basically burnt us as best they could with no loss to themselves whatsoever. THEY NEED TO PAYYYYY with RIVERS OF BLOOOD
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apparently the adelaide were reporting about a week ago that GWS were after cornes, brogan and a late pick from port pick for Morris.
then more recently ;
PORT Adelaide has won its standoff with Greater Western Sydney, the Giants agreeing to compensate the Power for the rights to "retired" 2004 premiership players Dean Brogan and Chad Cornes.
The AFL's 18th club will offer players and/or draft picks to Port at next week's exchange period.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/port-adelaide-get-compo-from-gws-deal/story-fn69a32t-1226157591481
....but wait theres more....
Tough West Adelaide defender Steven Morris - who has trained with Richmond as a father-son prospect - has also been linked to Port as part of a complicated package. He is the son of former Tigers star Kevin Morris.
But Rohde indicated the Power is seeking other options.
"GWS has brought Jarrod's name up with us and we've spoken to the player as well but I'm not sure whether he'll be a part of any deal," Rohde said. "And it's the same with Steven. We'll catch up with the Giants in Melbourne this week (at the AFL draft combine) and see what options are available to us.
"But a lot will depend on what deals and other picks GWS gets at the start of trade week. We're trying to get an experienced player into the club and draft picks, so we'll see what unfolds."
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/port-wins-compo-for-retired-players/story-e6freco3-1226157627661
Eff me! Who knows?
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apparently the adelaide were reporting about a week ago that GWS were after cornes, brogan and a late pick from port pick for Morris.
then more recently ;
PORT Adelaide has won its standoff with Greater Western Sydney, the Giants agreeing to compensate the Power for the rights to "retired" 2004 premiership players Dean Brogan and Chad Cornes.
The AFL's 18th club will offer players and/or draft picks to Port at next week's exchange period.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/port-adelaide-get-compo-from-gws-deal/story-fn69a32t-1226157591481
....but wait theres more....
Tough West Adelaide defender Steven Morris - who has trained with Richmond as a father-son prospect - has also been linked to Port as part of a complicated package. He is the son of former Tigers star Kevin Morris.
But Rohde indicated the Power is seeking other options.
"GWS has brought Jarrod's name up with us and we've spoken to the player as well but I'm not sure whether he'll be a part of any deal," Rohde said. "And it's the same with Steven. We'll catch up with the Giants in Melbourne this week (at the AFL draft combine) and see what options are available to us.
"But a lot will depend on what deals and other picks GWS gets at the start of trade week. We're trying to get an experienced player into the club and draft picks, so we'll see what unfolds."
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/port-wins-compo-for-retired-players/story-e6freco3-1226157627661
Eff me! Who knows?
Difference being the articles you've quoted are just guessing. The other articles have quotes from Cameron saying we will go a different route.
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it is our first round pick we are downgrading though which is a bit of a bitch. Port Adelaide have basically burnt us as best they could with no loss to themselves whatsoever. THEY NEED TO PAYYYYY with RIVERS OF BLOOOD
Ultimately we've had the last laugh bc we have Morris and all it cost us was downgrading 1 spot. I've been a critic of CC in the past but fairs fair thats well played.
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apparently the adelaide were reporting about a week ago that GWS were after cornes, brogan and a late pick from port pick for Morris.
then more recently ;
PORT Adelaide has won its standoff with Greater Western Sydney, the Giants agreeing to compensate the Power for the rights to "retired" 2004 premiership players Dean Brogan and Chad Cornes.
The AFL's 18th club will offer players and/or draft picks to Port at next week's exchange period.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/port-adelaide-get-compo-from-gws-deal/story-fn69a32t-1226157591481
....but wait theres more....
Tough West Adelaide defender Steven Morris - who has trained with Richmond as a father-son prospect - has also been linked to Port as part of a complicated package. He is the son of former Tigers star Kevin Morris.
But Rohde indicated the Power is seeking other options.
"GWS has brought Jarrod's name up with us and we've spoken to the player as well but I'm not sure whether he'll be a part of any deal," Rohde said. "And it's the same with Steven. We'll catch up with the Giants in Melbourne this week (at the AFL draft combine) and see what options are available to us.
"But a lot will depend on what deals and other picks GWS gets at the start of trade week. We're trying to get an experienced player into the club and draft picks, so we'll see what unfolds."
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/port-wins-compo-for-retired-players/story-e6freco3-1226157627661
Eff me! Who knows?
al its a done deal - if there was any chance of this not happening we wouldnt take the risk and just bite the bullet, nominate him as FS and be prepared to lose our 2nd pick for him bc thats what the power were likely to offer.
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If port have said they are not interested in doing a deal for morris in exchange for two "retired" players, why would they risk using their second round pick?
If GWS were not prepared to swap morris for those two players, who they wanted to get into the system ASAP, why would they accept a miserly 1 place upgrade on a first round pick?
where is cameron quoted as saying they will go another route Tigs2011?
something doesnt add up here, but perhaps it's just me and if it seems too good to be true.......?
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oh, found the cameron quote :thumbsup
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If port have said they are not interested in doing a deal for morris in exchange for two "retired" players, why would they risk using their second round pick?
If GWS were not prepared to swap morris for those two players, who they wanted to get into the system ASAP, why would they accept a miserly 1 place upgrade on a first round pick?
where is cameron quoted as saying they will go another route Tigs2011?
something doesnt add up here, but perhaps it's just me and if it seems too good to be true.......?
Can't trade Morris if he doesn't want to be. We also had first dibs through F/S so they couldnt trade him to Port.
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if we dont nominate f/s they can trade him to port.
As you say the sticking point could be if he steadfastly doesn't want to go there.
I still suspect there will be a bit more than a single step draft pick upgrade. happy to be wrong though. It would be a good result.
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Jason Phelan twitter:
"It's official. Father-son paperwork has been lodged: Jed Bews (Geelong), Dylan Buckley (Carl) & Tom Mitchell (Swans). Bid meeting Mon 10am."
No Steven Morris so it looks like the deal mentioned is going to happen.
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No-one messed with their father son picks... why the stuff do they mess with ours...
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No-one messed with their father son picks... why the stuff do they mess with ours...
What??
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because ours is the only one that some one else thought was worth the effort?
if the reported story is true, we will be in a better position than if we had used a pick on him.
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What rubbish
Regardless of the club, and even the ones I really dislike the father son rule should not be so complicated or prone to interference.
Its not like every player fathers a son, and even less like to father a son who can play and even more less likely to father a son to play extremely well so why not make it automtatic they go to that club, unless they wanna go elsewhefre they can be drafted??
::)pfft
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i've heard a lot of people whine about how cheap the cats got gary ablett jnr and Hawkins under the father son rule.
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Jason Phelan twitter:
"It's official. Father-son paperwork has been lodged: Jed Bews (Geelong), Dylan Buckley (Carl) & Tom Mitchell (Swans). Bid meeting Mon 10am."
No-one messed with their father son picks... why the stuff do they mess with ours...
Settle. This is just the first stage. The important one is the Bid Meeting on Monday.
If no other club offers a bid then Tom Mitchell would go to Swans for a late pick.
If however another club bids a first round for him then Swans would have to offer their pick that follows the other offer if they want him.
It's exactly what happened with Mitch Wallis and Tom Liberatore last year where the Bulldogs had to use their first two picks.
I think the clubs decide amonst themselves what's a reasonable pick and get someone to nominate around that range.
If we had nominated Morris then Port could offer their pick 33 and we would have to decide whether to use our pick 37 or let him go to Port for 33.
The way the club have done the deal with GWS we don't have to play and have all our picks intact (excepting downgrade from 14 to 15).
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Defender Steven Morris, the son of dual Richmond premiership player Kevin, was not nominated by the Tigers, with whom he has been training.
But Richmond reportedly want to recruit the 22-year-old under a trade deal with Greater Western Sydney - who have the right to pre-select and then on-trade him - rather than enter into the less certain bidding process.
http://www.news.com.au/premiership-winners-geelong-eye-jed-bews-for-recruitment-under-afls-father-son-rule/story-fna8vsun-1226161530561
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anyone know of any footage knockin about?
keen to have a squiz.
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anyone know of any footage knockin about?
keen to have a squiz.
go to bigpondvideo.com and type in foxtel cup. Then just search for the West Adelaide games. You can watch full games of his. His highlights and his clangers.
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anyone know of any footage knockin about?
keen to have a squiz.
go to bigpondvideo.com and type in foxtel cup. Then just search for the West Adelaide games. You can watch full games of his. His highlights and his clangers.
:cheers
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Swans will have to give up their first pick for Mitchell, he's a gun.
They've already stated they are prepared to pay that.
Buckley and Mews probably 2nd/3rd rounders.
There will be bids from other clubs for all 3.
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Watched West Adelaide vs Williamstown last night. Morris was everywhere, but made a fair few errors. His kicking wasn't that good either. He did, however, go 150% at EVERY contest.
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Watched West Adelaide vs Williamstown last night. Morris was everywhere, but made a fair few errors. His kicking wasn't that good either. He did, however, go 150% at EVERY contest.
What was your overall impression, Danog? Positive or negative?
Just how bad was his kicking?
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Watched West Adelaide vs Williamstown last night. Morris was everywhere, but made a fair few errors. His kicking wasn't that good either. He did, however, go 150% at EVERY contest.
What was your overall impression, Danog? Positive or negative?
Just how bad was his kicking?
IMO his other game was better. From memory the first 30 seconds a ball carried over his head (just out of reach) and his opponent (Hooper?) marks it. Seemed to drop his bundle a bit. The other game however, he was a lot better/more composed but his team was killing it. So a bit hard to gauge.
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Watched West Adelaide vs Williamstown last night. Morris was everywhere, but made a fair few errors. His kicking wasn't that good either. He did, however, go 150% at EVERY contest.
What was your overall impression, Danog? Positive or negative?
Just how bad was his kicking?
IMO his other game was better. From memory the first 30 seconds a ball carried over his head (just out of reach) and his opponent (Hooper?) marks it. Seemed to drop his bundle a bit. The other game however, he was a lot better/more composed but his team was killing it. So a bit hard to gauge.
His kicking wasn't shocking, but he didn't hit very many targets. He made 2 or 3 errors that directly resulted in goals. I didn't actually watch the 4th quarter but I'll do it now. What definitely stood out was his ability to be where was the ball was. He was everywhere, and his team play (blocking, shepherding) was first class. Loves to tackle, and will chase constantly. Will have to watch his other game for a better impression.
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Jonathon Beech from West Adelaide was really good up forward for West Adelaide.
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Watched West Adelaide vs Williamstown last night. Morris was everywhere, but made a fair few errors. His kicking wasn't that good either. He did, however, go 150% at EVERY contest.
Is he quick and agile enough to play on rioli, betts, garlett types?
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Yes, he's quick.
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REALLY worried about Morris' kicking.
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He commits too hard to the contest, too. Runs 100% and sometimes gets caught out.
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I can live with those sort of things.
he sounds like he could do some of the work that jackson is supposed to do at half the cost.
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I can live with those sort of things.
he sounds like he could do some of the work that jackson is supposed to do at half the cost.
ditto
also sounds like he can also do a shutdown on small fwds that have historically masacred us
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I can live with those sort of things.
he sounds like he could do some of the work that jackson is supposed to do at half the cost.
ditto
also sounds like he can also do a shutdown on small fwds that have historically masacred us
Watch the games for yourself and then make that conclusion. One incident of play was where he was running full pelt at a grounded ball. His opponent slowed down in time to pick it up, and have an unopposed snap at goal because Morris had run 10 metres over the ball.
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I can live with those sort of things.
he sounds like he could do some of the work that jackson is supposed to do at half the cost.
ditto
also sounds like he can also do a shutdown on small fwds that have historically masacred us
Watch the games for yourself and then make that conclusion. One incident of play was where he was running full pelt at a grounded ball. His opponent slowed down in time to pick it up, and have an unopposed snap at goal because Morris had run 10 metres over the ball.
Could be any number of reasons for that one incident - if hes quick, agile, committed and firece at the contest he has the necessary tools to try and work with
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... Just watch the games yourself.
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He commits too hard to the contest, too. Runs 100% and sometimes gets caught out.
That's not necessarily a problem Danog, that's what can (and will) be taught. The fact it's a trait is a serious plus.
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I take what I said back about his disposal. It's not iffy, it's shocking.
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... Just watch the games yourself.
Nearly every coach i ever had said they'd rather you hit the ball hard and miss it than go half hearted.
the kicking is a concern.
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... Just watch the games yourself.
Nearly every coach i ever had said they'd rather you hit the ball hard and miss it than go half hearted.
the kicking is a concern.
There's a difference between going half-hearted and being too stupid to slow down a fraction when the ball is just ahead of you.
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so your talking about timing?
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It's a lot easier to understand what I'm saying if you watch the games..
http://bigpondvideo.com/
Search for West Adelaide. Morris is number 38. Easy to spot him because of his hair.
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He had a kicking efficiency of about 78% and a disposal efficiency of 83% over 18 games in the SANFL this year.
But hey, I'm sure the RFC boys only looked at his Foxtel Mickey Mouse Cup games and just got him to handball when he came over for training ::)
He's doesn't have elite skills but they're not "shocking" LMAO
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I know all of that. Watch the games. In these games, he is terrible.
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Also named in the SANFL team of the year as a defender. They don't select mugs in that side.
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I'm just saying what I saw... Try watching the games.
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I've seen them. I don't judge players on 1 or 2 games like some. Try watching some SANFL.
But if anyone thinks we are getting a gun for free they are delusional.
Will be a solid upgrade.
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I watch VFL, not SANFL
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Cheers, Danog.
Hope his kicking can hold up at AFL level.
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Here's Steve Morris' stats for the whole 2011 SANFL season:
http://www.fantasyfootyclub.com/showthread.php?10700-Potential-2011-Father-Son-Steven-Morris
Steven Morris, 185cm, 84kg, DOB: 31/12/88
Club: West Adelaide, SANFL
Position: Medium defender.
Top 3 in the SANFL for Rebounds from defensive 50.
Disposals per game: 18.33
Marks per game: 3.33
Tackles per game: 1.89
Dreamteam pts per game: 65.22
To put these stats into perspective, two similar mature age defenders in Puopolo and Duigan averaged 69 and 59 dt points respectively in the 2010 season.
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I know all of that. Watch the games. In these games, he is terrible.
Chris Judd was poo this finals series. Even the best play badly.
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Richmond's deal for SA star Steven Morris
by: Jai Bednall
From: Sunday Herald Sun
October 09, 2011
WEST Adelaide midfielder Steven Morris' move to Richmond is expected to be announced on Monday.
The Tigers are understood to have agreed to a deal with Greater Western Sydney, which has first pick at any players who have previously nominated for the AFL draft, for the rights to Morris.
The 22-year-old son of former Richmond player Kevin trained with the Tigers earlier this season while they were considering the possibility of drafting him under the AFL's father-son rule.
But the Tigers have avoided having to use a second-round draft pick on Morris and will instead trade draft picks with the Giants.
The AFL berth is just reward for the Western Jets product, who enjoyed a breakout season in his fourth year in the SANFL.
Playing as a rebounding defender, Morris showed he was fully recovered from a knee reconstruction suffered in 2009.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmonds-deal-for-sa-star-steven-morris/story-fn69a32t-1226162045573
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As I said, anyone expecting a star with this kid is dreaming, but he's a lot better than his Foxtel Cup games indicate.
There's a reason we have worked a deal to get him without using a draft pick. Chances are he won't be on the list in 3 years.
But with Rance he'll certainly show the backline how they should be attacking the contest.
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have you got a crystal ball gerks or is that straight from the clacker, with the renaissance of players from second tier comps in recent years there's plenty to suggest this kid could go same way as Barlow, duigan or puopolo...would have loved to have heard your thoughts on that trio :lol
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if i'd watched any of their games before they were picked up i'd have offered an opinion
if you want one now i'll say puopolo will be lucky to be on the hawks list in 3 years, duigan slightly more chance at the blues but not much more
but plenty to suggest morris will have 1 solid year? i agree
however they are limited footballers that plugged gaps this year and will likely be replaced by classier talent in the future, same as morris, and that's not slagging him off, very happy to pick him up
of course there is also plenty to suggest this kid could go the same way as webberley and nason... :bow
renaissance lmfao
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"Watch the games, watche the games" STFU. :lol
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this is offficially done
Trade paperwork formally lodged. Richmond exchanges its rd1 pick(currently 14) to GWS for its rd 1 pick (currently 15) and Steven Morris
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mmmm interesting! Any stats on his season?
http://www.westadelaidefc.com.au/TEAM/PLAYERPROFILES/38.aspx (http://www.westadelaidefc.com.au/TEAM/PLAYERPROFILES/38.aspx)
(http://www.westadelaidefc.com.au/site/DefaultSite/filesystem/images/2011%20Player%20Profiles/Steve%20Morris.jpg)
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Here's his stats CUB.
Here's Steve Morris' stats for the whole 2011 SANFL season:
http://www.fantasyfootyclub.com/showthread.php?10700-Potential-2011-Father-Son-Steven-Morris
Steven Morris, 185cm, 84kg, DOB: 31/12/88
Club: West Adelaide, SANFL
Position: Medium defender.
Top 3 in the SANFL for Rebounds from defensive 50.
Disposals per game: 18.33
Marks per game: 3.33
Tackles per game: 1.89
Dreamteam pts per game: 65.22
To put these stats into perspective, two similar mature age defenders in Puopolo and Duigan averaged 69 and 59 dt points respectively in the 2010 season.
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Write up and video highlights here
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/124886/default.aspx
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Write up and video highlights here
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/124886/default.aspx
Fantastic! Well played, saves our 2nd rounder for virtually nothing.
Any chance we can see the highlights on YouTube?
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Any chance we can see the highlights on YouTube?
...already done.
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Any chance we can see the highlights on YouTube?
...already done.
Here you go JVT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQjTa78JJLw
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Pressure now on the likes of Webberly and Farmer..
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Pressure now on the likes of Webberly and Farmer..
Healthy competition.
Thanks for YouTube link.
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Pressure now on the likes of Webberly and Farmer..
Good. That's where some of the improvement we need will come from - competition for spots.
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credit where credit is due this has been well played by the club.
Just how well will depend on how he plays but anything has got to be better than watching Farmer and his limited bag of tricks.
I hope people can see how important now it was just losing to North in the last game. Meaningless games come back to bite you and that loss helped us nab this kid.
I hope we leave it at that and dont get too confident by over paying for Maric or worse drafting Bower.
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glad to srr we didn't lose out of the deal
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i cant believe this deal went through. we gave up sweet FA for him.
Must be sheeds looking after an old team mate :thumbsup
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Still cant watch these POXY bigpond videos, always have issues with them on every damn browser.
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Still gave up that pick though, could be the diff between a good player and an average player. Had it happened last year, I think people would be a bit more peeved.
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Still gave up that pick though, could be the diff between a good player and an average player. Had it happened last year, I think people would be a bit more peeved.
We would have still ended up with Conca.........
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Still gave up that pick though, could be the diff between a good player and an average player. Had it happened last year, I think people would be a bit more peeved.
We would have still ended up with Conca.........
Perhaps......
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Still gave up that pick though, could be the diff between a good player and an average player. Had it happened last year, I think people would be a bit more peeved.
We would have still ended up with Conca.........
Perhaps......
Perhaps we now intend to on trade pick 15 and a player for a higher pick in the draft...Perhaps :whistle :whistle
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full credit to the tigers, we have snaffled one of the most keenly sort SANFL players out there...welcome to TIGERLAND stevie :gotigers
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Perhaps....... ::)
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Hopefully a "ready made " player. Looks the goods based on the video highlights.
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Port will be spewing
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This kid will make it. Easily.
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you rate him jack?
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Disposal is a real issue I believe. If he can improve it then he will do ok if not then its no big deal.
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His highlights package shows he's a great kick??
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as stated in our press release - at the very least adds depth...is already an upgrade on a few of the "donkeys" we've got/had running around...(apologies to any donkeys offended by the comparison)...still only young and will grow with the rest of the squad - the fact he's played (and played well) senior footy to this point is a real plus...hopefully getting drafted a couple of years later than he originally expected/hoped will also provide the fire to really make it...otherwise - great effort by recruiters to basically give up nothing for him...
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you rate him jack?
Huge rap!
Think he told both clubs that he wanted them to pick him up though :shh
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i cant believe this deal went through. we gave up sweet FA for him.
Must be sheeds looking after an old team mate :thumbsup
Was a no-brainer from my perspective Al. GWS upgraded a 1st round pick by 1 spot for nothing - a player they had no interest in. They won for doing absolutely nothing and at no risk to their bottom line. Didn't surprise me in the least that it was done and done quickly.
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Looks a good kick on the highlights, all four of them. ;)
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Still gave up that pick though, could be the diff between a good player and an average player. Had it happened last year, I think people would be a bit more peeved.
So are you saying that we should have used a draft pick on him, or not got him at all?
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i cant believe this deal went through. we gave up sweet FA for him.
Must be sheeds looking after an old team mate :thumbsup
Was a no-brainer from my perspective Al. GWS upgraded a 1st round pick by 1 spot for nothing - a player they had no interest in. They won for doing absolutely nothing and at no risk to their bottom line. Didn't surprise me in the least that it was done and done quickly.
Yeah, I just thought that perhaps they could have won a little more, but i suppose a 4th or even a 3rd round pick is pretty useless to them considering the plethora of draft picks they will have?
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Still gave up that pick though, could be the diff between a good player and an average player. Had it happened last year, I think people would be a bit more peeved.
So are you saying that we should have used a draft pick on him, or not got him at all?
No, second rounder with a player would have been better. IMO.
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Are you serious? You'd rather have 14,55,73 than 15,37,55,73?
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Are you serious? You'd rather have 14,55,73 than 15,37,55,73?
I love how some of you tell me what I am saying.....not.
I would rather of given up a player with pick 55.....
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pick 55 isnt a 2nd rounder
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Are you serious? You'd rather have 14,55,73 than 15,37,55,73?
I love how some of you tell me what I am saying.....not.
I would rather of given up a player with pick 55.....
What :huh your on drugs :o :o You said and I quote "second rounder with a player would have been better. IMO"
That would mean pick 37 and a player :whistle :whistle
Now you saying player and pick 55? you can't have it both ways :lol :lol
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pick 55 isnt a 2nd rounder
Even better then, but the deal is done.
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Are you serious? You'd rather have 14,55,73 than 15,37,55,73?
I love how some of you tell me what I am saying.....not.
I would rather of given up a player with pick 55.....
What :huh your on drugs :o :o You said and I quote "second rounder with a player would have been better. IMO"
That would mean pick 37 and a player :whistle :whistle
Now you saying player and pick 55? you can't have it both ways :lol :lol
Oh good, look who's minding his own business again.... :whistle.
Thought we actually had two second rounders with the priority pick....
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Oh good, look who's minding his own business again.... :whistle.
Thought we actually had two second rounders with the priority pick....
:lol :lol :lol :lol Just keeping you honest ;D
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Oh good, look who's minding his own business again.... :whistle.
Thought we actually had two second rounders with the priority pick....
:lol :lol :lol :lol Just keeping you honest ;D
Your good like that....cheers.... :thumbsup
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So, even allowing for you confusion about wat pick is wat, you feel that giving up a player and having one less pick to replace them with, is better than downgrading from 14-15?
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So, even allowing for you confusion about wat pick is wat, you feel that giving up a player and having one less pick to replace them with, is better than downgrading from 14-15?
Yes al, but never mind mate it's over, the deal is done.
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So, even allowing for you confusion about wat pick is wat, you feel that giving up a player and having one less pick to replace them with, is better than downgrading from 14-15?
Yes al, but never mind mate it's over, the deal is done.
Your kidding champ, we got him for nix, a better deal could not have been done then what has taken place, not with Port sniffing around, we were never going to pick him up for anything less than our pick 37. So to get him by swapping 14 for 15 is an absolute stroke of genius, and not one that we are used to seeing by the RFC in years gone by :clapping
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Your kidding champ, we got him for nix, a better deal could not have been done then what has taken place, not with Port sniffing around, we were never going to pick him up for anything less than our pick 37. So to get him by swapping 14 for 15 is an absolute stroke of genius, and not one that we are used to seeing by the RFC in years gone by :clapping
:cheers
Haters gonna hate.
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So, even allowing for you confusion about wat pick is wat, you feel that giving up a player and having one less pick to replace them with, is better than downgrading from 14-15?
Yes al, but never mind mate it's over, the deal is done.
Your kidding champ, we got him for nix, a better deal could not have been done then what has taken place, not with Port sniffing around, we were never going to pick him up for anything less than our pick 37. So to get him by swapping 14 for 15 is an absolute stroke of genius, and not one that we are used to seeing by the RFC in years gone by :clapping
If you say so....time will tell.... :thumbsup
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Richmond lands South Australian star Steven Morris in deal with GWS
by: Jon Ralph
From: Herald Sun
October 11, 2011
NEW Richmond hard nut Steven Morris says he has set his sights on a Round 1 debut.
Morris was secured by the Tigers after they swapped their pick 14 with the No.15 selection of Greater Western Sydney.
The son of 1973-74 premiership player Kevin was overlooked four years ago as a father-son selection.
After a breakout year with SANFL club West Adelaide, the 22-year-old is likely to be used as a small defender. Parents Kevin and Jan were in Hawaii on holiday yesterday, but Morris said his father was thrilled.
"They were pretty thrilled with the news I would be coming home and playing at the club he played for. It's pretty special for him and me. (Round 1) is definitely the aim," he said.
Morris was overlooked when he got to draft age.
"I probably just wasn't quite good enough at that stage," he said.
"I played TAC Cup right through and I did have some injuries when I was younger with stress fractures.
"I moved over to South Australia to give it a crack and to prove I could make the grade. Four years later it seems to have paid off."
He said he still needed to improve his foot skills but was relishing the chance for a huge pre-season to chip off his rough edges.
Richmond head of football Craig Cameron said the Tigers had already earmarked a role for Morris.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-lands-south-australian-star-steven-morris-in-deal-with-gws/story-fn69a32t-1226163182624
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At 22 years of age and being named in the SANFL he had better play come round 1....
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Welcome aboard Steven. I wonder if the Club will give him number 38 like his old man.
If we play the Cheats Round 1 WAT I'll bet he'll play on someone like Betts. :thumbsup
If he has a good game he'll become a cult figure.
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Welcome aboard Steven. I wonder if the Club will give him number 38 like his old man.
If we play the Cheats Round 1 WAT I'll bet he'll play on someone like Betts. :thumbsup
If he has a good game he'll become a cult figure.
Yep would love to see him hammer Betts or even run with and towel up Murphy.
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Big Ben Griffiths will have to move up to a higher number for Morris to have the #38 guernsey.
Welcome to Tigerland Steven. Hopefully you can add something to the side we need.
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About to be interviewed on SEN
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Persistence pays for Morris
by Adrian Ceddia
Tue 11 Oct, 2011
The Steven Morris story is one of determination and perseverance.
Overlooked as a teenager in the AFL’s National Draft four years ago, Morris was rewarded with a spot on Richmond’s senior list on the opening day of the 2011 trade period.
The 22-year-old son of dual Richmond premiership player Kevin Morris trained with the Tigers last month and was thrilled to get the nod after the Club completed a deal with Greater Western Sydney.
“When I walked into Richmond Footy Club, and saw dad’s name on the number 38 locker, it made it a goal of mine to play here,” Morris said.
“Deep down, it’s always been a real ambition of mine to play at the top level, and to do it at Richmond makes it more special.
Read more at the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/124932/default.aspx
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Persistence pays for Morris
by Adrian Ceddia
Tue 11 Oct, 2011
The Steven Morris story is one of determination and perseverance.
Overlooked as a teenager in the AFL’s National Draft four years ago, Morris was rewarded with a spot on Richmond’s senior list on the opening day of the 2011 trade period.
The 22-year-old son of dual Richmond premiership player Kevin Morris trained with the Tigers last month and was thrilled to get the nod after the Club completed a deal with Greater Western Sydney.
“When I walked into Richmond Footy Club, and saw dad’s name on the number 38 locker, it made it a goal of mine to play here,” Morris said.
“Deep down, it’s always been a real ambition of mine to play at the top level, and to do it at Richmond makes it more special.
Read more at the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/124932/default.aspx
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Nice interview with Steve
http://www.youtube.com/user/theafltigers#p/a/u/0/L40SBTWOI2s
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Welcome aboard Steven. I wonder if the Club will give him number 38 like his old man.
If we play the Cheats Round 1 WAT I'll bet he'll play on someone like Betts. :thumbsup
If he has a good game he'll become a cult figure.
Yep would love to see him hammer Betts or even run with and towel up Murphy.
Welcome aboard steve
in regards to betts, hope he sticks half the point post up his clacker ;D
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Morris driven to succeed
By Tony Greenberg
Thu 13 Oct, 2011
Steven Morris’ coach of the last four years at West Adelaide - triple Hawthorn premiership player Andy Collins - is convinced the 22-year-old, snared by Richmond at the start of the 2011 trade period, has the necessary all-round attributes to succeed at the game’s highest level.
Collins, who has become one of the most respected coaches outside AFL ranks, following a stellar playing career with the Hawks, has a huge regard for Morris.
“He is a “kamikaze” footballer . . . the bravest of brave footballers,” Collins said.
“Not only does he commit his body to the contest, but he’s got the unique ability to run until he’s sick, and then continue to run. It’s an exceptional athlete, in my mind, who can push his body beyond the physical and mental limits . . .
Read full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/125027/default.aspx
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Steven Morris won West Adelaide's 2011 B&F :clapping
http://www.westadelaidefc.com.au/NEWS/LATESTNEWS/BESTFAIRESTRESULTS.aspx
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Got a goof feeling about this bloke
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Look at that! They get a SANFL B&F winner for a lousy single spot downgrade.!
Why cant we ever do things like that :banghead :banghead :banghead
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:lol
eff this useless club :banghead :banghead
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Jarrod Silvester equal 3rd ;D
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Jarrod Silvester equal 3rd ;D
Probably the worrying part gerks :lol
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Jarrod Silvester equal 3rd ;D
Is a solid footballer, but slow as an old mole.
i could see him doing ok in the slower paced leagues.
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I couldn't find this on the web so I scanned it in.....
Grab at Tiger tail
Morris to earn his stripes at Richmond
By Jesoer Fjeldstad
Sunday Mail
SUN 16 OCT 2011, Page 89
IT TOOK just one phone call to bring Steven Morris, the son of a champion, to the club he was always destined to play for.
It was the second time events fell in line with fate - or football romance - for the son of Kevin, a best and fairest and premiership player at Richmond, to land at the right place.
He has been at West Adelaide for the past four years, the club his father coached, and proudly wore the No. 38 Kevin made famous as he settled in Adelaide for the second time and became one of the most important players at the club.
Steven had been born here, while Kevin, after a VFL career at Richmond and Collingwood, coached the Bloods.
Not that he remembers much from his first life in Adelaide.
The phone call, coming just as trade week beckoned, came from Craig Cameron, Richmond's general manager of football, and it was as blunt and plain as a hammer.
``Do you want to be a Richmond player next year?'' Cameron said.
If Morris hesitated, it was only for a second, as it all sunk in. ``Yes, of course,'' he responded.
Cameron: ``I'll start working towards making it happen.''
Morris had had some control in the matter, having been pre-listed by Greater Western Sydney, but he still couldn't wipe off the smile as he got off the phone.
He was, in all likelihood, going to Tigerland, and even though he knew there would be inevitable comparisons between him and his old man he could have thought of nothing better.
``For me it's more exciting than daunting and I'm not uncomfortable with that,'' Morris said.
``Dad was obviously a very good player at a very strong club at the time but, at the end of the day, I'm just going to go out and give it my best crack. I was willing to move anywhere, but for it to happen at Richmond . . .''
HARDWICK
It's happened quickly, and Morris is grateful he won't have to go through the arduous wait of draft day - like he's done before.
He went to West Adelaide after consultations with his father and Andy Collins, who had a bond through being great footballers as well as assistant coaches together at St Kilda.
The consensus was that it'd be better to play in what is widely regarded as a better comp but, more importantly, one with men rather than stocked full of young, light aspirants.
He hasn't regretted it: Morris has loved his time at West Adelaide and was always treated like the boy who was born into the club, even though he went away with his parents and grew up across the border. There is a connection with his new coach, Damien Hardwick.
The former Bomber and Kevin knew each other from Windy Hill, but Morris has not yet had time to catch up properly with his new coach to discuss what Hardwick has in mind for him as a Richmond player.
``He probably saw me running around as a young fella when dad was coaching Essendon, as an assistant,'' Morris said. Morris is leaving within days, and will have his first briefing as they catch up again with both of them being grown men.
WHY NOW?
Morris seemed destined to play AFL football, having played in the nursery of the TAC Cup under-18 competition in Victoria and having been invited to train with Richmond, Essendon, Collingwood and Melbourne.
But after he failed to get snapped up in the draft, he looked at himself in the mirror and decided more improvement was needed.
Collins got him across, and employed him in various roles: he had been a forward as a junior, was then used as a stopper in the midfield and for most of this year he has been impressing them from the backline.
You should see him storm out from there: Morris runs in straight lines, is unafraid to take them on or take some heat, and he doesn't stop. You can't help but notice him.
He's had accolades showered over him in the SANFL this year, but there was always a mission to reach higher ground. ``If you had told me at the start of the year I'd be drafted I'd be absolutely rapt, although I've always believed that through hard work and determination I could make it,'' Morris said. ``But it's always hard for somebody 22, going on 23, to make it on to an AFL list.
``After I did my knee I certainly thought that (it was gone) but I didn't back off in my intensity of training or drop my bundle or anything like that, just because I thought it could be over.
``And then with Michael Barlow coming in, Greg Broughton, they sort of gave me hope that if I worked really hard and persisted with it, got myself fit enough, that there was hope to perhaps still make it.''
ANDY COLLINS
Hawthorn great Collins first got to know Morris well when he coached him in a representative Victorian under-23 side before he left for South Australia and liked what he witnessed.
Like Collins, one of the fiercest back pockets of the modern era, Morris was unflinching in the way he played.
He was sitting in his office at West Adelaide as Morris was getting ready to pack up and head off and couldn't have been happier for his protege.
``Great story, isn't it,'' he said. ``It's a really good lesson for every young footballer. I've never seen a boy in my coaching time that's so driven.
``He kept coming into my office asking about areas where he could improve and the side could improve.
``But it was tough for him early. His body was letting him down, in particular his legs.''
Morris came back from a knee reconstruction and trained like he never had before, fuelled by extra knowledge from becoming a qualified personal trainer and spending countless hours at the club.
SHIPPY
David Shipway is one of the most passionate West Adelaide men you can meet and spending a day at the football with him is priceless. He goes to the game for the right reasons and doesn't waste a minute talking up the good players from the Bloods.
He's known Morris since his first day, New Year's Eve, 1988, and took his dad Kevin to the hospital when he was born - and then duly took him out for a good night of celebrations.
When Morris was a young boy, he'd pester Shipway to take him fishing when the two families spent time at a shack down at Hindmarsh Island and Shipway still has a chuckle about the expeditions.
They'd load up on cockles to catch fish and Morris was so determined to come back with a catch he'd refuse to go before it happened.
Shippy, who's the first to admit he's not the best fisherman going, had to slyly tip the cockles over the side of the boat or the expeditions would last all day. ``Gee, the cockles don't last long,'' young Morris would say.
Once back, it'd take no more than an hour or two for Morris to ask Shippy to take him out again.
Shipway sees a lot of similar traits in Kevin and Steven - straight shooters who run in straight lines, honest and driven.
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ive got a feeling he will solve all our problems in defence, what i mean is we always get pumped by the really good small forwards, and i reckon morris is gonna shut these guys down
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Agree Morris will add some much needed strength and depth to our backline, we still need a gorilla for that backline though
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Agree Morris will add some much needed strength and depth to our backline, we still need a gorilla for that backline though
we do but its the good small fwds that really kill us not the big monsters
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love the way this kid goes about it, has a great kick on him too...look forward to seeing him in Y&B :gotigers...great coup by the tigers :clapping
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What role do you envisage for Morris? BP or run-with. His highlights look fantastic! ...
It's been fantastic to work with Francis and the whole recruiting team throughout the trade process. Their forward planning has enabled us to go into the trade period with a very strong understanding of value of all picks. Steven can play multiple roles as a rebound defender while also locking down opposition smaller forwards. He has also shown the ability to play a negating role up forward on opposition rebounders. What really attracted us to him is his ferocious attack on the ball and commitment to the contest. He is of high character and we couldn't be happier to have him on our list.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/blair%20hartley%20web%20chat/tabid/16923/default.aspx
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(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg644/scaled.php?tn=0&server=644&filename=kebv.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
http://yfrog.com/hwkebvj
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IT TOOK just one phone call to bring Steven Morris, the son of a champion, to the club he was always destined to play for.
It was the second time events fell in line with fate -- or football romance -- for the son of Kevin, a best-and-fairest winner and premiership player at Richmond, to land at the right place.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-recruit-steven-morris-earns-shot-at-big-time/story-e6frf9jf-1226169859272
Article on him on the hs site
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Jeez his white, needs to get some tan into him. ;D
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Thought it was Kel Moore
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(http://www.republibot.com/sites/default/files/images/mh1x01-max-headroom-first-frame.preview.jpg)
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Max Headroom? :rollin
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So let me get this straight
He was initially passed over by the club,
A “kamikaze” footballer,
. . . the bravest of brave footballers,”
Plus the knee injury....
Do we have another Jack Dyer in the making?
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Latest Steven Morris interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQlv3apt080
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Ripper kid
Touch my wood he gets through pre-season unscathed and gets a good run at it next year :cheers
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you were bloody keen on Farmers union too, gerk. I am starting to doubt your judgment. Maybe you need to start drinking at your old pub again.
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you were bloody keen on Farmers union too, gerk. I am starting to doubt your judgment. Maybe you need to start drinking at your old pub again.
Nothing better than washing down the old Pie Floater with an ice cold farmers union :cheers
You need to get out and live Davey..... :lol
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you were bloody keen on Farmers union too, gerk. I am starting to doubt your judgment. Maybe you need to start drinking at your old pub again.
Nothing better than washing down the old Pie Floater with an ice cold farmers union :cheers
You need to get out and live Davey..... :lol
re you sth Australian? Get the fuik outta here
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you were bloody keen on Farmers union too, gerk. I am starting to doubt your judgment. Maybe you need to start drinking at your old pub again.
Nothing better than washing down the old Pie Floater with an ice cold farmers union :cheers
You need to get out and live Davey..... :lol
re you sth Australian? Get the fuik outta here
lol.........I may have spent some time Chowing down on Frog Cakes whilst checking out the stobie poles in Hindley Street ;) ;)
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Latest Steven Morris interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQlv3apt080
Well spoken and comes across as a fairly confident bloke. Probably playing on after junior footy into his early 20s and having a good year in the SANFL has boosted his belief in his own ability. Hopefully he can step up and bring that form to AFL level.
Morris said he expects to play as a lockdown defender so as expected there was no more need for Farmer.
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you were bloody keen on Farmers union too, gerk. I am starting to doubt your judgment. Maybe you need to start drinking at your old pub again.
Yes, I was quite fond of the way Farmer went about his business despite his limitations. Wish him all the best.
lol.........I may have spent some time Chowing down on Frog Cakes whilst checking out the stobie poles in Hindley Street ;) ;)
:lol heaps good post
Effin frog cakes LMAO
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Steves puts his decks away to make tracks
From: The Advertiser
October 25, 2011
NEW Richmond recruit Steven Morris has been busy packing ahead of his move back to Melbourne.
But there's one thing he's leaving behind - his DJ decks.
The former West Adelaide star, who occasionally spins tracks at Mine at Mansions with his good friend DJ Brad Eagle, says his focus will be firmly on footy at his new home at Tigerland.
"I just do it for a bit of fun, I won't be DJ-ing at any clubs in Melbourne," Steven says. "It's more my mate, Brad, I've been along with him a couple of times ... I do really enjoy my music, it's definitely a hobby of mine, just to muck around at home with a few mates."
Originally from Victoria, Steven was traded to Richmond a fortnight ago and is moving to Melbourne today ahead of the start of the Tigers' pre-season training next week. It has been a long road to the AFL for the 22-year-old, who was overlooked in the draft four years ago. "I'm very excited to get this opportunity to play AFL, it's pretty special," Steven says. "Ever since I was a little fella I wanted to play for Richmond ... I was always pretty determined to make it."
The son of Richmond great and former West Adelaide coach Kevin, Steven held a farewell at Mansions on Saturday night and says he'll miss the friends he has made during his time in Adelaide.
"I've made a lot of friends here. West Adelaide has been an awesome club and the blokes are excellent," he says.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/entertainment/steves-puts-his-decks-away-to-make-tracks/story-e6fredpu-1226175586421
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I know his dad played for Richmond, but did Steve actually follow Richmond growing up?
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I know his dad played for Richmond, but did Steve actually follow Richmond growing up?
Not sure Mrakov but he seems wrapped to come to Richmond when interviewed on top of getting a chance in the AFL.
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Ever since I was a little fella I wanted to play for Richmond
Id say that is a yes to following Richmond growing up
:gotigers
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Here's Morris training with us today:
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/321644_10150382720573276_298686323275_8312207_938411351_n.jpg)
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nice floater Stevo
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Here's Morris training with us today:
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/321644_10150382720573276_298686323275_8312207_938411351_n.jpg)
Nice size
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nice floater Stevo
umm, err, I fink they call'em a barrell gerks ::)...you been watching those bum sniffers kick the ball around too long partner :lol
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nice floater Stevo
umm, err, I fink they call'em a barrell gerks ::)...you been watching those bum sniffers kick the ball around too long partner :lol
Lets ask Rat Fink what he finks ;D ;D
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b228/mollusc/5295552.jpg)
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nice floater Stevo
umm, err, I fink they call'em a barrell gerks ::)...you been watching those bum sniffers kick the ball around too long partner :lol
No it was definitely a floater. I was there signing some autographs.
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A nice preview of Morris from footytragic.com...
2012 Rookies: Morris, Saad
By Dan
footytragic.com
January 11th, 2012
Steven Morris
Club: Richmond
Position: DEF
Price: $104,200 DT, $113,200 SC
Morris was a bit of a late developer and despite being father/son eligible all these years, Richmond hadn’t really shown any interest. After a breakout year with West Adelaide in 2011, the Tigers struck a deal with GWS to secure his services before the father/son bidding process.
He passed through the TAC Cup system with the Western Jets fairly inconspicuously between 2005-07, however in his top aged year he averaged 80.7 DT points. I started watching TAC Cup in 2007 and can only profess to vaguely remembering him and back then he was a midfield/forward.
After leaving the TAC Cup system he went over to South Australia and that’s when he joined West Adelaide and worked his way up from SANFL Reserves level to being a regular in the seniors by 2009. He was working away modestly for a couple of years there, until 2011 when he made the SANFL team of the year and was named in the best players for West Adelaide 10 times out of 18 games.
It was a role across half back that put him on the AFL radar, where he was third in the SANFL for rebound 50’s, averaging 5.2 per game. While it looks likely Richmond will want to use him in the back half he’s also shown enough versatility over the years to play forward or midfield (in 2007 he kicked 31 goals in 18 games for the Jets).
He’s not a huge stat getter, but has sufficient pace to break the lines and is a good reader of the play. His kicking is an area of improvement. While he can hit long targets, his bad kicks are pretty poor and there’s usually a few of those per game.
Morris is one to keep an eye on over the pre-season and if it looks like he’s fitting into the starting 21 at Richmond he could be a solid option for job security. He only averaged 18 touches per game in his breakout year in the SANFL, but was pretty consistent in hitting that mid teens to low 20’s number. Due to the fairly average back rookie stocks Morris will be under heavy scrutiny in the NAB Cup from fantasy coaches, because he’s a decent chance to get regular games.
2011: West Adelaide (SANFL) 65.2 DT in 18 games
Full article at: http://www.footytragic.com/blog/2012-rookies-you-need-to-know/2012-rookies-morris-saad/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
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Under the Tigerscope: Steven Morris
Video: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/416141/default.aspx
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Was going to be my favourite Tiger this year, but now he said he'd sing Robbie Williams :(
Lost it about Elton lol
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The hard road
By Paul Daffey
Thu 16 Feb, 2012
STEVEN Morris - the son of dual Richmond premiership player Kevin Morris - has taken a hard road towards achieving his AFL dream.
The mature-age recruit has been named in the Tigers' squad of 34 for the opening round of the NAB Cup on Friday night, and Morris is considered a likely starter as a small defender in the Tigers' round one match against Carlton on the opening night of the Toyota AFL premiership season.
His possible AFL debut - if his NAB Cup campaign goes to plan - would be reward for his toughness and dedication, and an excellent pre-season.
Morris hasn't enjoyed an easy path into the AFL system. He's 23. He spent three years with TAC Cup the Western Jets and another three at SANFL club West Adelaide before finally, in his fourth season with the Bloods, he had a breakout year that earned the attention of AFL scouts.
GWS pre-listed him before the 2011 NAB National Draft and then swapped him to Richmond for pick 14. GWS in turn gave Richmond pick 15 (GWS used its No.14 pick to select Devon Smith from the Geelong Falcons while Richmond used its No.15 pick on the Calder Cannons' Brandon Ellis).
"It's always been a dream of mine to play AFL footy," Morris told AFL.com.au.
His father, a half-back and ruck-rover, was a member of Richmond's 1973 and '74 premiership teams and he won the club's best and fairest in 1975. After 110 games at Richmond, he played 71 at Collingwood.
Steven grew up seeing his father's premiership medallions on the mantelpiece at the family home in Toolern Vale, just past Melbourne's western suburbs. He's been given his father's Richmond guernsey, No.38, for the 2012 season.
Steven's journey was rocky from the beginning. At 16, he had stress fractures in his shins and calves. In a bid to break the cycle, he spent part of the following season at Amateurs club St Bernard's, where he trained only lightly on Thursday nights.
Morris said he benefited greatly from the lighter workload, but also the opportunity to play against men. His coach at St Bernard's, Essendon great Simon Madden, said Morris set himself apart with his single-mindedness and ability to listen.
"He could turn on a dime, and deliver the ball really well," Madden said.
Morris trained at Richmond, Collingwood, Essendon and Melbourne while at the Jets. After being overlooked for the draft, he believed it was time to start afresh at an interstate club.
He chose West Adelaide. His father had coached the Bloods to the 1991 Grand Final (which they lost to North Adelaide) and there were other close links with the club.
The West Adelaide coach, Andy Collins, had been a colleague of Kevin's when they were assistant coaches at St Kilda. And Steven was keen to play in the SANFL because he believed it would suit his style of in-and-under football more than the VFL.
In his first season, when he was 19, he failed to set the world on fire. He improved the next season only to wreck his right knee in round 20, damaging the anterior cruciate ligament and sidelining himself for what he was told would be the best part of a year.
He returned after 10 months.
"It triggered something inside me," he said of the injury. "It taught me how to really work hard, that if I want something bad enough I can get it.
"I just wanted to play footy. Once I was back playing footy, I really set my sights on getting the best out of myself."
Morris gained further respect from West Adelaide clubmen for his ferocious approach in his return match, in round 11 in 2010. He played out the season, but was a bit scratchy. Those games did, however, prepare him for his breakthrough season.
There was one knock on Morris before 2011: his ability to get the ball.
His father, who's been an assistant coach at Essendon, St Kilda and Richmond, told AFL.com.au that Steven is the most unselfish player he's seen at junior level. While most talented juniors do a lot of showboating, Steven spent his teenage years chasing, tackling and smothering.
"Usually you've got to teach players to do that sort of thing," said Kevin, who breeds horses. "I told him he's got to get a lot more of the footy."
In 2011 Steven began in customary fashion when he was given stopping roles. Then, in uncustomary fashion, he began running the ball out of the backline.
"I started to run and carry the ball," he said. "That made a big difference to my confidence."
By mid-way through the season he was getting 25 possessions a game. AFL clubs were looking.
At the end of the season he won West Adelaide's best and fairest and was named in the back pocket in the SANFL's Team of the Year. No longer was he held back by his unselfishness.
"It (unselfishness) probably held me back in my ambitions to get drafted," Morris said. "Recruiters do pick up players who find a lot of the ball, and I wasn't a real possession player.
"It's no surprise that when I started finding a bit of the ball, that's when I got picked up."
Morris said he had his sights set on playing the Blues in the opening round of the AFL season.
"I'm doing everything I possibly can to put my hand up," he said.
"There's no guarantees. I'm just working away at it, and hopefully I'll be running out against Carlton."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/129019/default.aspx
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how do you get stress fractures in your calf muscle?
and Go Morry :thumbsup
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Morris gets a :thumbsup for his debut in Tiger colours last night. Is willing to work hard and commit multiple efforts in the play which is good to see.
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Very competitive young man. Let's see how he goes in NAB Round 2.
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Yes very competitive but needs to keep his feet a little more, did allot of fresh air diving last night only to have his man run off with the ball why he was still lying on the ground. He will learn......
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love the way he goes about it, a lock for r 1 ...bit ahead of ellis right now in terms of readiness for senior footy
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Agree with what everyone has said. I think he'll be great when he settles more though. A big step up from SANFL and scratch matches to play other AFL bodies, even in a preseason comp. At one point he applied a good tackle and a smother to force the ball over the boundary which saved an inside 50. :thumbsup
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He had a kicking efficiency of about 78% and a disposal efficiency of 83% over 18 games in the SANFL this year.
But hey, I'm sure the RFC boys only looked at his Foxtel Mickey Mouse Cup games and just got him to handball when he came over for training ::)
He's doesn't have elite skills but they're not "shocking" LMAO
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He had a kicking efficiency of about 78% and a disposal efficiency of 83% over 18 games in the SANFL this year.
But hey, I'm sure the RFC boys only looked at his Foxtel Mickey Mouse Cup games and just got him to handball when he came over for training ::)
He's doesn't have elite skills but they're not "shocking" LMAO
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yep, they were pretty shocking yesterday :lol
goes to ground too easily as well
needs to settle or he'll be in the VFL for a while
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He had a kicking efficiency of about 78% and a disposal efficiency of 83% over 18 games in the SANFL this year.
But hey, I'm sure the RFC boys only looked at his Foxtel Mickey Mouse Cup games and just got him to handball when he came over for training ::)
He's doesn't have elite skills but they're not "shocking" LMAO
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yep, they were pretty shocking yesterday :lol
goes to ground too easily as well
needs to settle or he'll be in the VFL for a while
I tried to tell everyone, mate. They just wouldn't listen. ;D
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Mark Chaffey.
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Im concerned that everyone is going to get overly endeared to this bloke. Love his hardness but his skills are woeful. Needs to settle at VFL level. Ellis is well ahead of him.
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Im concerned that everyone is going to get overly endeared to this bloke. Love his hardness but his skills are woeful. Needs to settle at VFL level. Ellis is well ahead of him.
what like they have to Ivan Maric :lol
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what like they have to Ivan Maric :lol
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yeah, yeah. Righto mate! I am probably guilty of overating big Ivan. I really do think he has added a lot though. Morris' kicking bloody terrifies me.
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what like they have to Ivan Maric :lol
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yeah, yeah. Righto mate! I am probably guilty of overating big Ivan. I really do think he has added a lot though. Morris' kicking bloody terrifies me.
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you're not the only one....fair dinkum if Gus peeed the ball away easily 3 times like IM did last night he would have been crucified on here. I can use your own quote to give my thoughts on Maric: "I'm concerned that everyone is going to get overly endeared to this bloke. Love his hardness but his skills are woeful"
We have all learned something here today. Never go against Dan "man of many forums" Eggnog. His comments were spot on
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I say go against him. He'll be wrong in no time. Grow some balls Coach Poached Eggs.
And learn to quote you t¡t
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Oh FFS :banghead
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Dream Team builder: Steven Morris
Tuesday, March 06, 2012
Source: BigPond Sport
2012 position: defender
2012 price: $104,200
Bye: round 13
Four reasons to have him in your team
1) Richmond swapped its no.14 draft pick last year for GWS' no.15 selection to land Morris, a 22-year-old small defender from West Adelaide. Clubs don't downgrade first-round picks to get players unless they really, really want them, and Tigers football boss Craig Cameron indicated as much when Morris was finally secured, saying he had been earmarked for a role. As a mature-aged recruit, he is ready to go and, providing the injury gods are kind, he should play early and play lots.
2) Richmond is building a decent defence but the one area in which they have struggled is hitting targets out of the backline. Morris led his SANFL side West Adelaide by a country mile in rebound 50s in 2011, and had a disposal efficiency just shy of 80 per cent. Put two and two together and you can expect the ball to end up in the new Tiger's hands more often than not as Richmond build their attack out of the backline. That equals solid DT points and with reliable scoring defenders at a premium, Morris is worth a punt.
3) For some inexplicable reason, certain players attract free kicks from the umpires. Morris is one of them. And when your opportunities to rack up the stats as a small defender are limited, any avenue to DT points is valuable. Morris is not an especially prolific tackler, so don't expect regular thrilling run-downs of opposition forwards, but four free kicks in his favour in the NAB Cup opener against North Melbourne speaks volumes for his ability to be where the ball is.
4) As the son of two-time Richmond premiership player Kevin, Morris has yellow and black blood coursing through his veins. Of course, this means absolutely nothing once he steps on to the field - just ask former Bomber Joel Reynolds (son of triple Brownlow medallist idiot). However, Morris has also been forced to wait four years for his AFL shot after the Tigers overlooked him ate the end of his under-18 year. If nothing else, he will be desperate to make every post a winner.
The downside?
Morris will be competing with a plethora of players at Tigerland who can play the small defender role. Bachar Houli, Shaun Grigg, Daniel Connors, and even Jake King, have all shown aptitude off half back. And through the first 18 rounds of the SANFL season, Morris averaged just under 20 possessions a game. At 80 per cent disposal efficiency, that does not spell huge DT numbers. Any DT coach who has carried Mitch Farmer for more than half a season will be all too aware of the pain that mediocre Richmond defenders can inflict in a Dream Team sense.
Risk rating: Morris will play early but he won't be a star Dream Team performer. At best, he could be useful fuel for a later upgrade in your defence. Expect him to play early but if he doesn't make a quick impact, be prepared to cut your losses. Two Alan Didaks.
http://www.bigpondsport.com/dream-team-builder-steven-morris/tabid/91/newsid/84984/default.aspx
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"2) Richmond is building a decent defence but the one area in which they have struggled is hitting targets out of the backline. Morris led his SANFL side West Adelaide by a country mile in rebound 50s in 2011, and had a disposal efficiency just shy of 80 per cent. Put two and two together and you can expect the ball to end up in the new Tiger's hands more often than not as Richmond build their attack out of the backline. That equals solid DT points and with reliable scoring defenders at a premium, Morris is worth a punt."
OK, so is he that bad with his disposal as most have suggested????
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one thing Ive learnt in 30 years as a member is dont judge a bloke after 2 games :shh
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one thing Ive learnt in 30 years as a member is dont judge a bloke after 2 games :shh
How does being a member teach you anything other than being a member?
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one thing Ive learnt in 30 years as a member is dont judge a bloke after 2 games :shh
How does being a member teach you anything other than being a member?
It doesn't teach you anything. BJ just likes to brag about being a 30 year member with nearly every post he makes. :shh
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one thing Ive learnt in 30 years as a member is dont judge a bloke after 2 games :shh
How does being a member teach you anything other than being a member?
in that time Ive watched alot of games, analysed them for reference down the track, kapish ::)
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one thing Ive learnt in 30 years as a member is dont judge a bloke after 2 games :shh
That would have to be the funniest thing you have ever written! Lets see here...
Steven Morris 2 games (but you wrote this before he had even played a game)
"love the way he goes about it, a lock for r 1 ...bit ahead of ellis right now in terms of readiness for senior footy"
Brandon Ellis....2 Games
"well ill give you another one you can take all the way to the bank...Ellis better start preparing his rising star speach...he's that far ahead of the next bloke it aint fair...still pinching myself we nabbed this bloke"
Mathew Arnot......2 games
"thought he was very good, will get a game sooner rather than later"
Todd Elton....You guessed it...2 Games
"gee Id love him to come out and kick 4 or 5 sunday night, wouldnt suprise me if he did either"
Piva Wright....1 game
"Im hearing some pretty good things about this piva kid. Boy, he's built like brick outhouse and covers the ground like a panther, if he can just manage to get his wrong foot working under pressure, we just might have a player folks"
John Heslin Didn't even Play!
"bloody waste of time...FORGET it"
Talk about learning not to judge the kids after 2 games :o :lol :lol :lol :lol Your a classic mate :thumbsup
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TFT, get rid of the blue font will you and replace it with yellow before I report you for obscene behaviour.. ;D :thumbsup :police:
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one thing Ive learnt in 30 years as a member is dont judge a bloke after 2 games :shh
How does being a member teach you anything other than being a member?
in that time Ive watched alot of games, analysed them for reference down the track, kapish ::)
What did you think of Banik after 2 games?
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one thing Ive learnt in 30 years as a member is dont judge a bloke after 2 games :shh
How does being a member teach you anything other than being a member?
in that time Ive watched alot of games, analysed them for reference down the track, kapish ::)
What did you think of Banik after 2 games?
Whoa......don't go there man!!
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TFT, get rid of the blue font will you and replace it with yellow before I report you for obscene behaviour.. ;D :thumbsup :police:
:whistle :clapping :whistle :clapping :whistle :clapping :whistle :clapping
Yo listen up WAT, here's a story
About a little guy that lives in a blue world
And all day and all night
And everything he sees
Is just blue like him
Inside and outside
Blue his house
With a blue little window
And a blue corvette
And everything is blue for him
And his self
And everybody around
'Cause he ain't got nobody to listen...
Boony's blue, da ba de, da ba die
Da ba de, da ba die
Da ba de, da ba die
Da ba de, da ba die
Da ba de, da ba die
Da ba de, da ba die
Da ba de, da ba die
He has a blue house with a blue window
Blue is the color of all that he wears
Blue are the streets and all the trees are too
He has a girlfriend and she is so blue
Blue are the people here that walk around
Blue like his corvette, it's standing outside
Blue are the words He saysa nd what he thinks
Blue are the feelings that live inside him
Boony's blue, da ba de, da ba die
Da ba de, da ba die
Da ba de, da ba die
Da ba de, da ba die
Da ba de, da ba die
Da ba de, da ba die
Da ba de, da ba die
YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
;D
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TFT, get rid of the blue font will you and replace it with yellow before I report you for obscene behaviour.. ;D :thumbsup :police:
:whistle :clapping :whistle :clapping :whistle :clapping :whistle :clapping
Yo listen up WAT, here's a story
About a little guy that lives in a blue world
And all day and all night
And everything he sees
Is just blue like him
Inside and outside
Blue his house
With a blue little window
And a blue corvette
And everything is blue for him
And his self
And everybody around
'Cause he ain't got nobody to listen...
Boony's blue, da ba de, da ba die
Da ba de, da ba die
Da ba de, da ba die
Da ba de, da ba die
Da ba de, da ba die
Da ba de, da ba die
Da ba de, da ba die
He has a blue house with a blue window
Blue is the color of all that he wears
Blue are the streets and all the trees are too
He has a girlfriend and she is so blue
Blue are the people here that walk around
Blue like his corvette, it's standing outside
Blue are the words He saysa nd what he thinks
Blue are the feelings that live inside him
Boony's blue, da ba de, da ba die
Da ba de, da ba die
Da ba de, da ba die
Da ba de, da ba die
Da ba de, da ba die
Da ba de, da ba die
Da ba de, da ba die
YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
;D
Man and you reckon me and TFT were off topic, your off the planet... :thumbsup :lol
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one thing Ive learnt in 30 years as a member is dont judge a bloke after 2 games :shh
How does being a member teach you anything other than being a member?
in that time Ive watched alot of games, analysed them for reference down the track, kapish ::)
What did you think of Banik after 2 games?
thought he'd struggle over the journey as the pace of the game quickened, was always worried about recruiting a mature body that beat up on 60kg opposition ::)
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one thing Ive learnt in 30 years as a member is dont judge a bloke after 2 games :shh
How does being a member teach you anything other than being a member?
in that time Ive watched alot of games, analysed them for reference down the track, kapish ::)
I kapish but you don't need to be a member to watch games of football, you need to be a spectator or a fan. Members just get in for free.
No matter, i love the whoa wees and the :shh and the pal references and partner and I also enjoyed the advice to Ellis about writing his rising star speech.
You get 20s on that puppy, whoa we ! :shh
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one thing Ive learnt in 30 years as a member is dont judge a bloke after 2 games :shh
How does being a member teach you anything other than being a member?
in that time Ive watched alot of games, analysed them for reference down the track, kapish ::)
What did you think of Banik after 2 games?
::)
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Will play plenty of senior footy if he learns to keep his feet when in the contest.
Like his committment though. :thumbsup
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Will play plenty of senior footy if he learns to keep his feet when in the contest.
Like his committment though. :thumbsup
you spelled 'learns to kick' wrong.
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morris just has 'rough edges' :shh
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morris just has 'rough edges' :shh
Gerks how do you know about Morris's rough edges? Are you his masseuse?
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we were lovers
spent a year in Borneo together tracking albino pygmy rhinos
it was an unsuccessful affair all round
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Back to the topic ppl.
Morris dropped from the squad this week.
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good idea, give him a week off and bring him back for a final rehearsal against the giants
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Morris didn't play on the weekend as he was at his sister's wedding.
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Morris is now another Tiger on twitter...
https://twitter.com/stevemorris38
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Newy said today he expects Morris to play and make his debut on Thursday night.
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LMFAO at Ralphy on SEN this afternoon referring to Morris as Moore :lol To make it worse Harford then read out or injury list and referred to Kelvin Moore as "The other Moore" :lol :lol :lol
How do some people get jobs ::) :lol :lol
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:lol
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How do some people get jobs
probably by giving jobs
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How do some people get jobs
probably by giving jobs
the more drool the better
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How do some people get jobs
probably by giving jobs
the more drool the better
JBJ's & SC's II 8)
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The son rises in a new era at Tigerland
Caroline Wilson
March 29, 2012
(http://images.theage.com.au/2012/03/28/3171461/tiger-father-son-420x0.jpg)
Steven Morris with his father, Kevin, who also played for the Tigers. Photo: Joe Armao
FOOTBALL broke Steven Morris' heart at a tender age. The 23-year-old described his teenage self as if it were yesterday, sitting alone in front of his computer and watching the 2008 AFL rookie draft with increasing despair as all the wrong names flashed onto the screen.
Morris had trained with four clubs - Richmond, Carlton, Collingwood and Melbourne - at the end of 2007.
Injuries and skills that fell short had already left him overlooked in successive national drafts, but he had believed the Demons might throw him a lifeline and make him a rookie. When they didn't, the 19-year-old packed his bags and moved to South Australia.
Morris' father, dual Richmond premiership player Kevin Morris, suggested that the highly competitive and big-bodied South Australian National Football League was his best hope of a second chance. Neither could have known that his AFL chance would take another four years and be punctuated with cruel setbacks of the kind that would have beaten other young men. Nor that when it finally came, it would be with the Tigers.
Tonight, in front of an expected 80,000 people at the MCG, Morris will make his AFL debut against his father's old enemy, Carlton.
It is a cliche but also true to describe the customary Melbourne season-opener as a boyhood dream realised - for both father and son. Kevin Morris will present all four Richmond debutants with their Tiger jumpers.
From the moment Steven Morris arrived at Tigerland last October, the mature-aged recruit with a reconstructed body has impressed his coaches with his fanatical desire.
Morris, say the Tigers, worked so hard to answer every question demanded of him that when he asked one in return the club did not hesitate to say yes.
His request was to wear the No. 38 his father wore in more than 110 games with Richmond, including the successive flags of 1973 and '74 and as the Tigers' club champion in '75.
''To be honest, I just wanted to play for any club,'' Morris told The Age yesterday. ''I just wanted to play AFL football. The fact that it's Richmond is just unbelievable. I never saw Dad play. I wasn't born, and he never talks about it much, but I just loved the idea of playing in the jumper my dad played in. And I get to see his name on my locker every day.''
His obstacle-ridden route to his father's old home - Kevin Morris left Richmond for Collingwood in 1978 and stayed there for two losing grand finals and four seasons - remained bumpy till the end.
Richmond could have taken the defender under the father-son rule, but Port Adelaide wanted him too after last year's breakout season in the SANFL and would have bid a second-round draft pick for him - a pick the Tigers needed to trade for former Adelaide ruckman Ivan Maric.
Maric, Morris, former Demon Addam Maric and teenager Brandon Ellis will all debut for Richmond on the big stage tonight.
Even when coach Damien Hardwick called to congratulate him last spring, Morris still couldn't quite believe his success, because the eventual deal - a convoluted trade via Greater Western Sydney - had to be kept quiet. Morris was holidaying in Perth with a friend when the news broke.
''I flew straight home to Adelaide, packed up everything in three or four days and came home,'' he said.
''I realised from the time I arrived here that we would play Carlton in round one and that they have two of the best small forwards in the competition, and my aim was to be selected to play on one of them.''
Captain Chris Newman revealed to Morris five days ago that he had got his wish.
''Chris stood in front of the team last Saturday and told everyone that the Tigers would have four club debutants for round one,'' Morris said.
''He wanted to highlight the importance our jumper had and its proud history and tradition and what it means to play for this club.''
It is almost 4½ years since Melbourne's then senior recruiter, Craig Cameron, called Morris after he had been rejected and told him his skills were not quite good enough. Cameron also encouraged him not to give up.
''That broke my heart at that point in time,'' Morris said yesterday. ''But even if Craig hadn't told me to keep trying I would have. I made up my mind I was going to do everything I possibly could to get drafted.''
The youngest of three children, Morris left his close family to go to South Australia and move in with family friends, signing with the SANFL club West Adelaide, which his father had coached. He was supported by his football and a personal training business he ran for four years.
He missed home and he never lost his AFL ambition, no matter how much it was tested.
Season one ended with a shoulder reconstruction. Season two was promising until Morris damaged his knee in round 20 and had to have it rebuilt. He returned midway through season three but struggled.
Morris, who admits to having been a chronic over-trainer in the past, then embarked upon his most gruelling pre-season for 2011.
''I knew at that point it was going to be extremely difficult,'' he said.
''Giving it another go was going to be tough because even then not many mature-age players were being drafted.''
Mature-age Fremantle trio Michael Barlow, Alex Silvagni (both former VFL players) and Greg Broughton helped change all that.
It was a happier conversation when Cameron, by now the Tigers' head of football, called Morris last September and asked if he wanted to play for Richmond. That, recalled Morris with a smile, was ''a very easy question to answer''.
''I think it's fairly evident now that players develop at different rates,'' he said, ''and [Carlton's] Nick Duigan is a perfect example of players being recruited now for a specific purpose. But I wouldn't have got this opportunity if guys like them hadn't paved the way for me. Not that I'm saying I've achieved anything yet.
''I know I have shortcomings in my game, and I want to work on them not just for my sake but for the sake of the Richmond Football Club. I've worked too hard for this to spend two years here and then get delisted.''
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-son-rises-in-a-new-era-at-tigerland-20120328-1vytm.html#ixzz1qR84SeEY
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Can't not love this kid, poor kick and all
Hope it works out for him
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Dare I say it
Good article by Caro :rollin
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Morris - will be a cult figure. Angry angry man. White line fever. Think Glen Archer but with more size, and absolutely brutal in the contest.
I agree ;D ;)
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not that great a player so he needs to see blood and go mental each game to earn his place.
should make it his challange to be at least 50% more bloodlust than JakeKing. Speaking of King he was missed last night.
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Was pretty stoked with Morris. First player I've seen in yonks with actual intent to spoil when sticking arms out to make a spoiling action. Took on 3 Blues in the third and won by punching ball down boundary and bumping into them.
Excellent debut. Can only get better. Lock him in down back :shh. On ya Stevie :thumbsup
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He needs to be thrown forward to run, chase and harras to keep the ball in up there! Imagin Morris and King playing at he same end lol ;D
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loved him decking betts
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His kicking was supposed to be pretty good in the SANFL so it might be a case of him adjusting to AFL pressure and pace. He will just get better as he adjusts to the tempo imo. Definately has the will and application.
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his kicking was alright last night......the one he had ;D
OE posted an article someone wrote about him that said when he does a fluff a kick, he tends to fluff it badly. I believe this is the sort of thing that makes some players appear bad in the eyes of their supporters, but the bottom line is how many times you miss your targets, not how bad you look doing it.
Edwards shanks a kick and dibbles along the ground and everyone remembers it.
Martin kicks a pin point pass to the opposition and no one notices.
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good point
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his kicking was alright last night......the one he had ;D
OE posted an article someone wrote about him that said when he does a fluff a kick, he tends to fluff it badly. I believe this is the sort of thing that makes some players appear bad in the eyes of their supporters, but the bottom line is how many times you miss your targets, not how bad you look doing it.
Edwards shanks a kick and dibbles along the ground and everyone remembers it.
Martin kicks a pin point pass to the opposition and no one notices.
The funny thing is a scrubber along the ground generally means a 50/50 ball. :lol
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;D that thought had crossed my mind :thumbsup
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yes, but Dusty's misskicks generally go a long way, over the opposition zone. Stevie's scrubbers will be go about 10 meters right into the zone across the half back line. Completely throws our structures and opens us up. Very hard to recover form if they fall into the hands of the opposition.
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a turnover is a turnover.
a possession gifted straight to the opposition is worse than a 50/50 contest, but that's not the point i was trying to make.
the important thing is how many times you do it, and perception and reality are not always the same thing
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a turnover is a turnover.
a possession gifted straight to the opposition is worse than a 50/50 contest, but that's not the point i was trying to make.
the important thing is how many times you do it, and perception and reality are not always the same thing
you also weigh up the pros and cons of particular players, reckon dusty has a few more points in the bank than one S.Edwards. Everyone makes mistakes including our best players, difference is dusty also kicked 33 goals last year as a midfielder, that offsets the occassional turnover
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Yep. Its also a percentage thing isnt it? 30 possessions with 3-4 turnovers is fine. 10 possessions with 3-4 turnovers is not.
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agree fully with that, but it's a point hardly ever raised . the other consideration is how many possessions are contested rather than executed under no pressure.
I probably should have just said player A and player B rather than name any particular players.
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21 possies @ 90% efficiency, 5 marks, 2 tackles and no clangers. Looks like Morris is adjusting to AFL tempo quickly.
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Was excellent tonight. :thumbsup
Solid as a rock. :thumbsup
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Lock in backline for mine.
Just shows you don't need to tank and get players through first round draft picks. How many flags have Saints and Carltank won? = 0.
Just recruit wisely. No1 wanted this guy, plays with absolute 100% heart. Would take that over some absolute spastics that have been over rated for half a decade that play absolute slop week in week out..... Just a big shout out to my mate Daniel Jackson.
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21 possies @ 90% efficiency, 5 marks, 2 tackles and no clangers. Looks like Morris is adjusting to AFL tempo quickly.
He can play & thats a good sign after only 2 games. l think the recruiters have finally got it right to rebuild the backline
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I thought another good game by Morris.
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sets the standard for commitment back there. Good pick up.
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How could anyone fault Morris' game yesterday?! :huh It was only Malthouse on the tv coverage that was rabbiting on about needing to see Morris' skills under pressure against top opposition before judging. You missed seeing the first two rounds Micky?
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How could anyone fault Morris' game yesterday?! :huh It was only Malthouse on the tv coverage that was rabbiting on about needing to see Morris' skills under pressure against top opposition before judging. You missed seeing the first two rounds Micky?
^ agree - Morris again helped set the standard with attack on contest/man/ball...there were/are question marks over his disposal and decision making but so far I'd say that he's held up pretty well...at the very least he's already better in both disposal and decision making than Hackson
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Gets a bit confusing trying to work out if it's Morris or Ellis and doesn't help when the stupid cameraman is a million miles away
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I wasn't sold on Morris in his first game but he seems to be picking up the pace of AFL seniors very quickly and I'm happy with what he's shown so far.
And agree Julz, him and Ellis look like twins on the TV.
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morris's hair is more blonde/ brighter/ lighter if you get my drift?
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He also has a more pasty complexion.
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By far his best game for the club. Hope he keeps it up
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You missed seeing the first two rounds Micky?
Didn't you realise he was too busy doing laps of the 'G' in a convertible to pay attention in Round 2. :lol
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Morris was great in this game, did some really clever things to beat his opponent/s, and he won his duels well I thought.
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Morris was great in this game, did some really clever things to beat his opponent/s, and he won his duels well I thought.
agreed - his pace and ability to gain ground on oppenents was exciting. looks really fresh and always gives a contest. He also seems to be adjusting well to the pace of the game.
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200 game player for virtually nothing :thumbsup
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How could anyone fault Morris' game yesterday?! :huh It was only Malthouse on the tv coverage that was rabbiting on about needing to see Morris' skills under pressure against top opposition before judging. You missed seeing the first two rounds Micky?
Do you think maybe Mick is being a little hard on him cos he knows his old man? and is being a bit cheeky? ;)
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Actually understand the point Mick was trying to make
After round 1 there were obvious question marks on his disposal and though each week there's been improvement the question marks remain IMHO over his disposal by foot
I wasn't sold on Morris in his first game but he seems to be picking up the pace of AFL seniors very quickly and I'm happy with what he's shown so far.
Absolutely agree smokey
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agreed - his pace and ability to gain ground on oppenents was exciting. looks really fresh and always gives a contest. He also seems to be adjusting well to the pace of the game.
That's one of the impressive things, he's so hard at the contest and the man with the ball that he's putting that refered pressure on in the backline. Nice hard edge coming in to the backs with Rance, Grimes, Morris and young Ellis so hard at the contest.
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Stuff the nay sayers. After watching the replay I liked how he often found himself in the right position for linking and would often follow up disposals with a bump or shepherd. Great pace and tackling. Comparing his first game to his third, it's obvious decision making and disposal efficiency comes down to experience. He'll be right and a real ripper of a defender :thumbsup
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Actually understand the point Mick was trying to make
After round 1 there were obvious question marks on his disposal and though each week there's been improvement the question marks remain IMHO over his disposal by foot
I wasn't sold on Morris in his first game but he seems to be picking up the pace of AFL seniors very quickly and I'm happy with what he's shown so far.
Absolutely agree smokey
why were there obvious question marks on his disposal after round 1?
9 possies at 89% efficiency with 1 clanger?
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he goes alright.
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I really enjoy the hard edge he brings to the team. Along with Batch, they are making it tough for the opposition small forwards! :thumbsup
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why were there obvious question marks on his disposal after round 1?
9 possies at 89% efficiency with 1 clanger?
Because IMV al his first instinct seems to be to handball rather than kick and I think you may find that that it was kicking in round 1 that was the weakness. It certainly appeared that way at the game
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first game nerves, his kicking aint that bad, , its much better than ppl say
and much better than duncan kellaway who should never have been allowed to play and dan jackson
morris will be ok
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He really did get thrown in the deep end first game against Carlton who are thrashing everyone. He did alright. He is finding his feet fast.
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Richmond has found a footballer :thumbsup
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Good boy this one.
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Good match up for Stevie J this week
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smash the little dog
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Good boy this one.
Gutsy smart footballer who can defend / attack & create. This lad is a package footballer who we been wanting, but are so hard to find. just the lad who would punish the likes of Milne & that little prick from Freo. cant wait to that them games ;D
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smash the little dog
OMG we are thinking the same thing at the same time :thumbsup
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Anyone else listen to 3aw yesterday? Malthouse was giving it to Morro all day..
He did it last week against the dees too..
I thought he was one of our better players in both games.
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I thought he was really good.
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Anyone else listen to 3aw yesterday? Malthouse was giving it to Morro all day..
He did it last week against the dees too..
I thought he was one lf our better players in both games.
malthouse is a dumb idiot, dont know anybody else who would hang a 3rd/4th gamer like that so incessantly. hes a dog
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Anyone else listen to 3aw yesterday? Malthouse was giving it to Morro all day..
He did it last week against the dees too..
I thought he was one lf our better players in both games.
malthouse is a dumb stuffer, dont know anybody else who would hang a 3rd/4th gamer like that so incessantly. hes a dog
Did Kevvy cut his lunch back in the day?
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Anyone else listen to 3aw yesterday? Malthouse was giving it to Morro all day..
He did it last week against the dees too..
I thought he was one lf our better players in both games.
malthouse is a dumb stuffer, dont know anybody else who would hang a 3rd/4th gamer like that so incessantly. hes a dog
Did Kevvy cut his lunch back in the day?
I eluded to that last week, and it didnt draw an eyebrow- however 2 weeks in row of harsh comments on 3/4th week player who is having an impact and the jury is out on what his problem is?? :shh
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Anyone else listen to 3aw yesterday? Malthouse was giving it to Morro all day..
He did it last week against the dees too..
I thought he was one lf our better players in both games.
malthouse is a dumb stuffer, dont know anybody else who would hang a 3rd/4th gamer like that so incessantly. hes a dog
Did Kevvy cut his lunch back in the day?
I eluded to that last week, and it didnt draw an eyebrow- however 2 weeks in row of harsh comments on 3/4th week player who is having an impact and the jury is out on what his problem is?? :shh
Actually mate I brought it up when talking about footy with the old man yesterday. good call :thumbsup I was talking about how revered names in football like Malthouse and Matthews are a bunch of amateurs with their commentary - very dissapointing at the lack of homework they do and that the average fan prob knows more about the average player than they do.
Case in point 1: Matthews on Friday night was having a crack that Rhys Stanley from Stkilda wasnt a key forward, he said "hes too big and lumbering to be a fwd, looking at his size hes a more a ruckman that can rest fwd" :whistle :whistle :whistle fast forward a quarter later, he picks up the ball on the wing and absolutely burns Duffield off the mark :lol you idiot, he tried to cover it but yeah you stuffed up
Point 2: Malthouse re Morris at which point I used your material and mentioned it was K.Morris's son and that perhaps he rooted Micks mrs back in the day?
Point 3: The 2 monkeys Darcy and BT having a crack at rances disposal all night rnd 1, by nights end 35 possessions at 85% efficiency and in the team of the week. stuff me
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Malthouse is confused and confusing. IMO Nathan Buckley is streets ahead of him...........and Eddie knew it. Morris is a ripper, just like his old man. He ran one of the toughest pubs in Melbourne at one stage and everyone who went there had respect for him. I suspect his son is cut from the same cloth.
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Anyone else listen to 3aw yesterday? Malthouse was giving it to Morro all day..
He did it last week against the dees too..
I thought he was one lf our better players in both games.
malthouse is a dumb stuffer, dont know anybody else who would hang a 3rd/4th gamer like that so incessantly. hes a dog
Agree tm, MM means nothing to me, pfffft to the piffle that spews from his gob...stevie morris has exceeded my expectations to date and looks set to carve a real career at the level
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I might cop flak for this but...... Kevin Morris was a premiership player as was Malthouse, Sheedy and even Balme...
Thankyou all for your hard work and extra special thanks to Kevin for providing a father son... WTF have you other sods done post RFC besides c/tease the club :o
Especially that dribble from malthouse about feeling at home when walking thru punt rd ( I dont doubt it for a minute) but what have you done about it??
anyways Steven Morris38 future Gun!! :shh whoa
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I might cop flak for this but...... Kevin Morris was a premiership player as was Malthouse, Sheedy and even Balme...
Thankyou all for your hard work and extra special thanks to Kevin for providing a father son... WTF have you other sods done post RFC besides c/tease the club :o
Especially that dribble from malthouse about feeling at home when walking thru punt rd ( I dont doubt it for a minute) but what have you done about it??
anyways Steven Morris38 future Gun!! :shh whoa
Well said
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From last Thursday ...
Richmond hard-nut, Steve Morris, joins RSN Breakfast, for a chat about the Tigers start to the 2012 season.
http://www.rsn.net.au/audioplayer/1334789900.mp3
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Wow Steve sounds like a terrific bloke :thumbsup
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VIDEO: Steve Morris faces the media about the weekend's game ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/443119/default.aspx
And here's the article on the RFC website...
I’m loving every minute: Morris
richmondfc.com.au
Tue 24 Apr, 2012
Richmond defender Steve Morris has only played four senior games for the Tigers, but he is already developing a cult following among the Yellow and Black faithful.
"It's not all about disposals. It's defensive acts. I feel I'm reasonable defensively, but there's definitely aspects of my game I can improve.
"Offensively, it's about making better decisions when I've got the ball."
Read full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/133990/default.aspx
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I'll learn from mistakes: Morris
By Paul Daffey
Tue 24 Apr, 2012
RICHMOND defender Steven Morris says he'll learn from the mistakes he made in the last quarter of Geelong's victory over the Tigers at Simonds Stadium on Sunday.
Halfway through the last quarter Morris was opposed to Allen Christensen when Christensen gave him the slip to rove a pack. The small forward's resultant goal put the Cats eight points ahead.
In the last 10 minutes a Morris was at half-back and had a series of teammates in attacking positions ahead of him when he tried to handball over premiership midfielder Joel Corey.
Corey, however, smothered the handball and wrested the advantage back to the Cats.
Geelong took advantage of a series of desperate acts by champion veterans such as Corey and Jimmy Bartel to seal a 10-point victory.
Morris, who was playing only his fourth AFL game, said he should have stayed closer to Christensen.
"I could have bodied him up and kept him away from the ball," he said.
"You don't get everything right. You learn from those mistakes."
Of his handball, Morris said: "It doesn't make you feel too great when you're the one who's responsible for a scoring opportunity for the opposition.
"I've just got to go out and keep backing myself and backing my teammates."
Richmond 19-year-old Reece Conca, who is in his second year at AFL level, also had a handball smothered in the final minutes of a match in which Geelong's experience told.
The Cats now have won their past eight games against Richmond and have also won 15 of their past 16 matches against the Tigers.
"We were right in the game," Morris said. "It was there for the taking in the last quarter.
"We just let it slip a little bit. It was really disappointing."
Morris, 23, has shown a kamikaze-like attack on the football during the Tigers' opening four games, which have included losses to premiership fancies Carlton and Collingwood and a victory over Melbourne.
He had only nine disposals in the opening match against Carlton but followed up with 21 disposals against Collingwood. He had 17 against Geelong.
"It's not all about disposals. It's defensive acts," Morris said.
"I feel I'm reasonable defensively, but there's definitely aspects of my game I can improve.
"Offensively, it's about making better decisions when I've got the ball."
Morris missed out on being drafted after playing with TAC Cup club Western Jets.
He then battled at SANFL club West Adelaide for four years before Richmond picked him up before last year's NAB AFL National Draft from Greater Western Sydney, where he was a pre-listed player.
GWS traded him to Richmond's No.14 pick. The Tigers in turn got GWS's No. 15 pick, meaning Richmond dropped only one draft place to get Morris.
GWS took Devon Smith at No. 14 and Richmond Brandon Ellis at 15.
After such a long battle to reach the top level, Morris said he's enjoying his football like never before.
"We haven't won as many games as I would have liked but it’s been an amazing experience," he said.
"It sure is a good feeling to hear the Tiger Army behind you when do something that underlines our values as a footy club.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/133962/default.aspx
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"Offensively, it's about making better decisions when I've got the ball."
have to say this is great to hear/read
realising a weakness, ackowledging it and being prepared to work on it
Few others should take a leaf ;D
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Seems to be a fast learner is Morris :thumbsup Getting better with each game....
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Looks swanky in Richmond gear, too
(https://shopdesq.imgstg.com/assets/shopdesq/products/images/main/09-RFC680-Winter-Apparel-Shoot300.jpg)
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Looks swanky in Richmond gear, too
(https://shopdesq.imgstg.com/assets/shopdesq/products/images/main/09-RFC680-Winter-Apparel-Shoot300.jpg)
Ok now it's going a bit South...... :whistle
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South? Get your mind out of the gutter >:(
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How can malthouse praise Johnson the way he does and not question his disposal despite it being as good as morris' kicking when he was a 7 year old man child
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South? Get your mind out of the gutter >:(
Get over it... ::) ::)
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Steven Morris on long road to follow dad's path
Zac Milbank
From: The Advertiser
May 05, 2012
HE spent four years living away from his family, started his own business and endured a knee reconstruction.
But if you ask Richmond defender Steven Morris whether it was all worth chasing his AFL dream, the answer is simple.
Particularly when it was his father - dual Tigers premiership star Kevin - handing him his Richmond guernsey before his debut in round one.
"The moment which really sticks out was having Dad present my jumper to me," said Morris, who was snapped up by the Tigers during trade week after he was initially claimed by Greater Western Sydney.
"That was before the clash against Carlton. Dad came down into the change rooms and presented all four Richmond debutants with their jumpers. Him passing on his No.38 guernsey to me was a special moment and something I will always remember.
"Looking up at my locker every day that I walk into the club and seeing K. Morris on the locker because he played more than 100 games for the Richmond Footy Club is inspiring in itself."
While Morris - who last year won West Adelaide's best-and-fairest playing in the SANFL - can't remember his father's speech word-for-word, the message sank in.
"It was along the lines of he knows how hard I've worked and that I've deserved it," said Morris, 185cm and 84kg.
"And what it means to play in the Richmond jumper. I'm certainly aware of the privilege I've got to represent the Richmond footy club."
To say that Morris has deserved his opportunity is an understatement.
Desperate to make it at the highest level after being overlooked as a teenager, the 23-year-old packed his bags and headed to another Richmond, in South Australia.
After struggling to break into the Bloods league side initially, Morris eventually made it impossible for West Adelaide coach Andy Collins not to select him. "It's probably been a blessing in disguise that I missed out when I was younger and it makes me a little bit more hungry to succeed now that I've got that opportunity, so that it doesn't slip through my fingers," said Morris, who played with the Western Jets in the TAC Cup.
"What made things a bit easier was that I was really enjoying my footy in Adelaide and I loved the lifestyle.
"The only thing I was missing was my family who I'm really close to. But I made some really good mates and really enjoyed playing at the West Adelaide footy club."
Given Morris's pedigree, it's difficult to understand why he was initially overlooked by AFL scouts. But the blond bombshell, while disappointed, wasn't surprised by the lack of interest.
"Generally when recruiters select 18-year-olds, they are the players who accumulate a lot of the ball and I've never been a high-possession winner," said Morris.
"I've always based my game on the defensive side of things and that didn't help me early on. But in the same breath, I probably wasn't quite up to it at that stage."
Nearly five years after being passed over, Morris's penchant to do the "one percenters" such as smothering, tackling, chasing and shepherding is earning him high praise at Tigerland.
It's of little surprise that Richmond coach Damien Hardwick, who prided himself on being selfless during his playing career with Essendon and Port Adelaide, is selecting Morris.
"Obviously one of my strengths is my competitive nature," said Morris, who ran a personal fitness business while in Adelaide.
"So when it is a 50-50 ball, you have to make the most of each situation. No doubt there are some similarities in the way I play and Dimma (Hardwick) played. But if I can be half the player he was and come away with a couple of premierships like he did, then I will be pretty happy at the end of my career."
If determination is anything to go by, you get the feeling Morris's aim will come to fruition.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/steven-morris-on-long-road-to-follow-dads-path/story-e6frecmc-1226347256931
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Yep, at least half the player dimma was and a couple of flags, id be pretty happy with that, and it wouldnt suprise me either :shh
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He already is half the player Hardwick was. Hardwick was an okay player. still remember him pooting himself at the sight of Greg Stafford a few years ago
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Yeah he was ok, played 200 games though, steves showing all the good signs early
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Not soft
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BOG today l reckon. Good footballer :thumbsup
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Really good footballer. Has looked right at home and is a competitive beast.
Ensures the smalls in the opposition don't have their way against us.
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What a bargin for us. We cant have to many of this type of footballer on our team but Im glad we have this one.
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Morris a pet Tiger
richmondfc.com.au
1:34 PM Mon 14 May, 2012
Gun Richmond midfielder, Nathan Foley, has confirmed that his new teammate, Steven Morris, has quickly become one of coach Damien Hardwick’s favorite players at Tigerland.
“He’s a bit of a coach’s pet down there at the moment, ‘Morro’, and why wouldn’t you be the way he attacks the footy! He features on the highlights tape every Monday,” Foley said on Channel Nine’s “TAC Cup Future Stars” show yesterday (Sunday, May 13).
Full aerticle at:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/135719/default.aspx
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In all honesty , I'm surely bias but Morris attack on the footy is as brave and courageous as Ive seen.
More courageous than Campbell "$" Brown's attack on the footy in his Hawthorn days. Morris does it fairly.
Plays 80's footy in the modern game which is great to watch. Pleasure in fact. :thumbsup
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Morris a pet Tiger
richmondfc.com.au
Mon 14 May, 2012
Gun Richmond midfielder, Nathan Foley, has confirmed that his new teammate, Steven Morris, has quickly become one of coach Damien Hardwick’s favorite players at Tigerland.
“He’s a bit of a coach’s pet down there at the moment, ‘Morro’, and why wouldn’t you be the way he attacks the footy! He features on the highlights tape every Monday,” Foley said on Channel Nine’s “TAC Cup Future Stars” show yesterday (Sunday, May 13).
Morris has endeared himself to Tiger fans, coaches and teammates alike in his debut season of AFL football. He is averaging just over 16 disposals per game and has been a standout with his bravery, boldness and fierce determination.
Read the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/135719/default.aspx
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SHOULD NEVER HAVE GOT HIM, PLAYS SCARED , HATES THE HARD BALL, CANT KICK
DELIST
LMAO U NUFFERS
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If there was a stat for 1%er's Morris would be leading by a mile? The kid has Guts and a ton of it!!
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lol ur the king of the thread starters username
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If there was a stat for 1%er's Morris would be leading by a mile? The kid has Guts and a ton of it!!
Where is the stat for 1/2 %.....this kid is always in the game :thumbsup
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1%ers , what about the goal, kid is sensational
Absoluteysenfuckinsetionalgame, well done SOK
Sorry about my spellun !!!
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Woooohooooooo! :gotigers
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Really really warming to this bloke. Apart from his manic desire on the ground, what I really like is the way he has picked up the pace of senior AFL footy and become an integral part of the team in a short space of time. Hope we aren't seeing his best already.
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lol ur the king of the thread starters username
jerkstar may get me banned , he may be hurt and offended by all our crap players getting attention and proving how good they are
do i start one about dea
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Malthouse was giving Morris some kudos for once too.
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Woooohooooooo! :gotigers
WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOO WHOA!!!
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Malthouse was giving Morris some kudos for once too.
:) Yep, by the end of the game he was giving the whole team some kudos. Won a lot respect today did the Tige's but so much good work can be undone with a poor showing next week.
:gotigers
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Run the Favorite Player game again now. :pray :pray
We would might see the same last two but there would be a few others getting some votes they didnt get last time. This guy would get some of mine for sure.
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SHOULD NEVER HAVE GOT HIM, PLAYS SCARED , HATES THE HARD BALL, CANT KICK
DELIST
LMAO U NUFFERS
I've never heard anyone say anything bad about Morris? Name and shame them please.
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next week morris versus milne.cant wait for this ...That silly toothy smile of milne will be sent 10 rows back
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STOP THE NEW PLAYER THREADS...FFS
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Morris took rioli to the cleaners today. What little damage rioli did was when morris left him to pressure the ball carrier leaving rioli to get the easy rewards for others' hard work.
Absolute fat material
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SHOULD NEVER HAVE GOT HIM, PLAYS SCARED , HATES THE HARD BALL, CANT KICK
DELIST
LMAO U NUFFERS
I've never heard anyone say anything bad about Morris? Name and shame them please.
spot on.
Most on here and at the club really like the way he goes about.
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He just shut down Cyril and hurt him the other way.
We've found a back pocket!!!!!
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This kid has no regard for his well being. Plays every game like it is his last but not only that when he gets the ball he does something positive with it.
That rat in the 44 guernsey next week will find that goals won't be that easy no more against the Tigers and I for one hope Stevie takes him to the cleaners. It's due against us.
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the goal was a beauty
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Another gem...
Love this guys courage and work rate is second to non
Hands like steel traps
Courage like a frontline soldier
Eyes of the tiger
Whoa I mean whoa. :shh
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Just shows you should never discard 22 or 23yo in terms of drafting them. Morris could be playing for us for a very long time.
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i cant wait to see Morris stand next to that filthy son of a bitch Milne.
Finally we have someone who will stand next to that prick and stand taller
Its about time we demolished this pathetic club and pathetic individuals like Milne who should be removed from society
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i cant wait to see Morris stand next to that filthy son of a bitch Milne.
Finally we have someone who will stand next to that prick and stand taller
Its about time we demolished this pathetic club and pathetic individuals like Milne who should be removed from society
Damn straight. Milne doesn't deserve to breathe the air of a free man.
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i cant wait to see Morris stand next to that filthy son of a bitch Milne.
Finally we have someone who will stand next to that prick and stand taller
Its about time we demolished this pathetic club and pathetic individuals like Milne who should be removed from society
well said, l'm taking the glasses to watch to see what rib punches are put into the filthy
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His attack on the ball, his courage, his willingness to get to a contest and his ethic in helping out teammates was outstanding against Hawthorn. Good on him. He beat a very good opponent hands down.
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mad dog morris.
Only thing chuk norris fears
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When Morris does push ups, he actually pushes the Earth down.
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He has surprised me, I thought he looked like a real trier but lacked skill and poise because his effort was so high even frantic. The last few games showed he has all these things in spades! Great pick up! 8)
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Is he in any trouble for getting that bloke high and late in that marking contest? Wasn't much in it, but the AFL is run by girl scouts these days.
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Is he in any trouble for getting that bloke high and late in that marking contest? Wasn't much in it, but the AFL is run by girl scouts these days.
Wouldn't think so Willy, replay shows contact is on the shoulder and I think the Dawks player was only trying to milk the free.
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Agree with all posts on this thread about Stevie. Not sure what Id enjoy more, him tearing Milney a new one or that little king henry from freo. Either way, i hope he keeps up the good work
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Is he in any trouble for getting that bloke high and late in that marking contest? Wasn't much in it, but the AFL is run by girl scouts these days.
Wouldn't think so Willy, replay shows contact is on the shoulder and I think the Dawks player was only trying to milk the free.
:thumbsup
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Morris = Hardwick mark II according to Robbo ...
10 THINGS I LIKE
1. Steven Morris
Could pick up to 10 Tigers, but Morris gets the nod. Ever thought that Morris plays a little like Hardwick? You know, fierce at the ball, a fair bit of white line, likes to antagonise off a back flank? It's Hardwick all over. Morris took Rioli, which straight away means a sleepless Friday night, and would be pleased with his game. Two moments stood out. A tackle in the third quarter and follow-up second-effort gather led to a goal for Jack Riewoldt. And in the second quarter, he bounced and baulked and put through a banana from 20m. That's the only difference with Hardwick, the coach could never do that.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/expert-opinion/dale-thomas-the-tank-engine/story-fn5937w8-1226368656428
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You've got to love the human cannonball :yep. I'd love nothing better than seeing him take Milne to the cleaners on Friday.
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I was watching the replay late last night for the 5th time and did I hear correctly, malthouse said that Morris has beautiful foot skills? I was flicking between the game and game of thrones so not sure if thats right
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I was watching the replay late last night for the 5th time and did I hear correctly, malthouse said that Morris has beautiful foot skills? I was flicking between the game and game of thrones so not sure if thats right
Yeah he did. Nothing but praise haha. Was surprised when I heard it too.
No, GoT wasn't putting you to sleep :laugh:
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Lol that's funny poo dwaino, talk about a 180 on his views on Morris from 3-4 weeks ago
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How awesome was the wildfire? ;D
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:lol brilliant
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Great watching him play, the banana baulk had it all
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just like big ivan solved a problem this bloke has solved one as well. we arent getting torn apart by ruckmen or small forwards atm. would dearly love another of each.
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Geez has this guy been an inspired selection or what?
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Getting better with every game too. Absolutely took 'I hear footsteps' Milne to the cleaners last night :thumbsup.
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he sure did, milne did have a few shots but he was always going to, but they we all from low percentage spots cos morris just played him well... he is so important tous cos for yrs small fwds have destroyed us
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Thought he gave his opponants too much freedom last night.
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last i saw milne only kicked one goal
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Thought he gave his opponants too much freedom last night.
Agree with you Monk. Was a bit loose on his opponent last night but still played fairly well and was very important with his run and link up in defence. His delivery (surprising given the knock on him when he first arrived) was the best of our defenders last night.
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I agree was a bit too loose last night but becoming a very important player
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Still gave me a chub.
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Difficult game for Stevie last night. Alot of smalls in the Saint forward line. Thought he did a fairly good job on Templeton the rat. Saad was much more damaging and Milera did some okay things for them.
Overall not one of his better games but still passable without question. Important link up player for us out of defence with pace. His disposal has been great too.
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even last week he stood off rioli at times. he seemed to be guading space as much as the man, but in a way that forced rioli into less dangerous positions to attract the ball.
The thing i liked was his willingness to leave rioli to pressure the ball carrier, (or get to a contest to help out a team mate) even though it meant it left rioli free for an over the top. It would be easy to have just stayed with rioli and let the ball carrier run in for a shot at goal rather than have risk a goal being kicked by his own man.
Team orientated stuff :thumbsup
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Thought he struggled last night. Batchelor found the going tough also.
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no idea
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even last week he stood off rioli at times. he seemed to be guading space as much as the man, but in a way that forced rioli into less dangerous positions to attract the ball.
The thing i liked was his willingness to leave rioli to pressure the ball carrier, (or get to a contest to help out a team mate) even though it meant it left rioli free for an over the top. It would be easy to have just stayed with rioli and let the ball carrier run in for a shot at goal rather than have risk a goal being kicked by his own man.
Team orientated stuff :thumbsup
Good observation. Makes a lot of sense :yep
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Thought he struggled last night. Batchelor found the going tough also.
I thought Batch took some courageous marks and in tight in the last used his strength to get free and get the ball out. He did make some error and I would love him to start taking his marks with one grab rather than the little bobble before he marks it but I thought he was okay.
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Thought he struggled last night. Batchelor found the going tough also.
I thought Batch took some courageous marks and in tight in the last used his strength to get free and get the ball out. He did make some error and I would love him to start taking his marks with one grab rather than the little bobble before he marks it but I thought he was okay.
while i thought batch had a decent game i thought he fumbled a lot again. seems he has games where hes clean and one touch and other games where he just fumbles.
if i have a criticism of him its this lack of one touch that regularly rears its head.
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Thought he struggled last night. Batchelor found the going tough also.
I thought Batch took some courageous marks and in tight in the last used his strength to get free and get the ball out. He did make some error and I would love him to start taking his marks with one grab rather than the little bobble before he marks it but I thought he was okay.
while i thought batch had a decent game i thought he fumbled a lot again. seems he has games where hes clean and one touch and other games where he just fumbles.
if i have a criticism of him its this lack of one touch that regularly rears its head.
Agree with you here Claw, I think (hope) Batch is just going through the 2nd year blues adjusting to everything around him (body, workload, pace, role, pressure etc) and that he will show good natural improvement in the near future. That improvement might not be obvious until after another pre-season but I'm confident he will be a long term keeper for us.
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Easily his worst game since being recruited
I thought he lost the plot today.
Going to ground miss judging the ball on countless occasions
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Yep was terrible, didn't know what to do, even when he got spear tackled he could have given a quick hball over the top but just froze and ran straight into him, haven't see such a loss of composure from a player for a long time, looked like a firs game kid pooting himself
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Easily his worst game since being recruited
I thought he lost the plot today.
Going to ground miss judging the ball on countless occasions
Stopped being instinctive and tried to impress Adelaide with skills he doesn't have.
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Can accept a bad game from him the bloke gives his heart that is unquestionable pick on the melbourne duds we have on our list first
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Can accept a bad game from him the bloke gives his heart that is unquestionable pick on the melbourne duds we have on our list first
Yeah more an observation jordie, still a fan and is entitled to have the occassional shocker, still well ahead on brownie points
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1 bad game out 13 is still a very good return...
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Yeah, I'm still on board.
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Still on board, had a crack and tried some uncharacteristic flashy things which was dissapointing
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95% of the team should be disgusted with themselves that a first year player can have more guts and determination than them. He had some disposal and decision making issues early but appears to learn from game to game. Doesn't have a sook when his shoulder has another boo boo either. Look forward to a massive career from this bloke. Morris' efforts actually turne the game back in our favour.
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Cannonball.
Has nuts the size of watermelons.
I am still shattered he almost had a broken neck and noone went to stick up for morria :'( :banghead
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95% of the team should be disgusted with themselves that a first year player can have more guts and determination than them. He had some disposal and decision making issues early but appears to learn from game to game. Doesn't have a sook when his shoulder has another boo boo either. Look forward to a massive career from this bloke. Morris' efforts actually turne the game back in our favour.
If this was on Twitter I'd re-tweet it
Well said :clapping
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I wish he didn't put it on the full.
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I wish he didn't put it on the full.
If someone was to make an error I would rather they do it trying to do the right thing than making mistakes not learning from them and continually doing the wrong thing.
Morro is a beauty. :thumbsup
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Steven,last night was a man left with too much to do alone.
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and he knew it which is why he spun out
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It would be no surprise if Steve Morris gets the nod from the AFL Players Association for the Best First Year Player award. He is averaging 16 disposals per match and winning plenty of plaudits for his warrior-like attitude on the field of battle, which he combines with a totally professional approach to the game.
Read the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/143141/default.aspx
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Watching him play it's easy to forget it's just his first year. :thumbsup
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I just extracted an abbreviated version of the stats from RFC website
Morris Total Rank
Disposals 254 14
Marks 51 15
Frees Against 13 11
Tackles 37 16
Goals 1 24
CP 87 15
UP 165 12
DE% 79 7
Clangers 32 13
CM 5 13
i50 25 16
r50 27 7
1% 53 3
Bounces 12 7
Attitude A+
Courage A+
Team Spirit A+
Skill Level B
Verdict - whilst there are areas of development put him in the leadership group next year.
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Does he need surgery on his shoulder in the off season?
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Morris in for Jackson - Leadership group. :clapping
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Morris in for Jackson - Leadership group. :clapping
Gets the nod of approval from me..
We also need to add ivan in there I would think
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Morris in for Jackson - Leadership group. :clapping
Gets the nod of approval from me..
We also need to add ivan in there I would think
Cotchin, Deledio, Ivan and Morris. Would you keep Newman involved?
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Morris in for Jackson - Leadership group. :clapping
Gets the nod of approval from me..
We also need to add ivan in there I would think
Cotchin, Deledio, Ivan and Morris. Would you keep Newman involved?
Brad Miller for mine.
Bleeds yellow and black and always goes in hard. Gives off a nice handball out the back too.
Cotchin, Deledio, Ivan and Brad Miller.
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Yeah I noticed that Miller gives a nice handball out the back too!!
I guess we are geniuses!!!
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Yeah I noticed that Miller gives a nice handball out the back too!!
I guess we are geniuses!!!
Not to mention the block he puts on.
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Yeah I noticed that Miller gives a nice handball out the back too!!
I guess we are geniuses!!!
Not to mention the block he puts on.
Noticed that too! We should be selectors down at Punt Road!
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Yeah I noticed that Miller gives a nice handball out the back too!!
I guess we are geniuses!!!
Not to mention the block he puts on.
Noticed that too! We should be selectors down at Punt Road!
Yes we should. If only we had 20 Brad Millers and 2 Trent Cotchins.
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Yeah I noticed that Miller gives a nice handball out the back too!!
I guess we are geniuses!!!
Not to mention the block he puts on.
Noticed that too! We should be selectors down at Punt Road!
Yes we should. If only we had 20 Brad Millers and 2 Trent Cotchins.
Wouldn't be fair to the opposition! ;D
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Yeah I noticed that Miller gives a nice handball out the back too!!
I guess we are geniuses!!!
Not to mention the block he puts on.
Noticed that too! We should be selectors down at Punt Road!
Yes we should. If only we had 20 Brad Millers and 2 Trent Cotchins.
Wouldn't be fair to the opposition! ;D
We would be the best team in history !
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Experience counts for Morris
By Adrian Ceddia
afl.com.au
Thu 09 Aug, 2012
Richmond defender Steven Morris attributes his outstanding first season at Tigerland to the previous experience of playing at senior level.
Morris has played in every game for Richmond this year, regularly shutting down the opposition’s most dangerous small forwards.
He has also been impressive as a rebounding defender, averaging 16 disposals per game.
Morris was recruited from West Adelaide in the SANFL, where he played four seasons in the seniors.
“It helps coming from a senior background,” Morris told Roar Vision.
“I’ve played against bigger bodies before, and I was used to playing against those big bodies week in, week out.
“I think it stands you in good stead, and I think it’s shown through the fact that I’ve been able to play most games this year.”
Morris is the latest in an increasingly long line of successful recruits for the Tigers in recent years, along with
His fierce attack on the football impressed Club scouts, and has endeared him to Richmond’s army of fans this season.
“I like to be hard at the footy and uncompromising in the way I go about it,” he said.
“I suppose that comes from the fact that it’s a strength of my game, and I need to play to my strengths.
“Obviously I’ve got areas of weakness I need to work on, but it’s something I can use to my advantage.”
The 23-year-old recalls running out in his first game for Richmond, against Carlton in front of 78,000 fans in Round 1, and his one-and-only goal to date, in Round 9 against Hawthorn, as his highlights of his debut season in the AFL.
“It’s a great club to be at. The environment and atmosphere is excellent. I think the feeling around the club is one of genuine excitement because we know we’re heading in the right direction,” he said.
“It’s a matter of turning those close losses into wins, and if we can do that, the Club’s in a really strong position.”
VIDEO: To watch the full interview with Steven Morris ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roar%20vision%20archive/tabid/11454/contentid/477786/default.aspx
or
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/477786/Roar%20Focus:%20Steve%20Morris/
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/144131/default.aspx
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He has been great and I think he will have more impact next year...IF....they park him up now, operate on that bloody shoulder and give him a full pre-season with time to recover. I would hate to lose him in the last round just because we are trying to make the finals.
IMO we waited too long last year with Jack and a couple of others when they should of been parked up and operated on.
He was really favouring that shoulder against the Lions, there is a difference between being tough and stupid. Morris is tough but to keep him playing in his condition is stupid IMO.
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True
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He has been great and I think he will have more impact next year...IF....they park him up now, operate on that bloody shoulder and give him a full pre-season with time to recover. I would hate to lose him in the last round just because we are trying to make the finals.
IMO we waited too long last year with Jack and a couple of others when they should of been parked up and operated on.
He was really favouring that shoulder against the Lions, there is a difference between being tough and stupid. Morris is tough but to keep him playing in his condition is stupid IMO.
Morris is Effing tough!! Nothing wrong with is shoulders? What are ou talking about????
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Morris is our Chuck Norris
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He has been great and I think he will have more impact next year...IF....they park him up now, operate on that bloody shoulder and give him a full pre-season with time to recover. I would hate to lose him in the last round just because we are trying to make the finals.
IMO we waited too long last year with Jack and a couple of others when they should of been parked up and operated on.
He was really favouring that shoulder against the Lions, there is a difference between being tough and stupid. Morris is tough but to keep him playing in his condition is stupid IMO.
Morris is Effing tough!! Nothing wrong with is shoulders? What are ou talking about????
Were you at the game against Brisbane TFT????
If you were you must of seen him after competing for the ball holding his shoulder and favouing it..... :whistle
Park him up, get him fixed, we need him fit for next season.
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He's had a bung shoulder fo 6 weeks! He's as tough as nails, the only player at the club that knows how to play an injury! They will probably have to remove his arm in the offseason but I bet he still comes back next season and goes in as hard as he has this........
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He's had a bung shoulder fo 6 weeks! He's as tough as nails, the only player at the club that knows how to play an injury! They will probably have to remove his arm in the offseason but I bet he still comes back next season and goes in as hard as he has this........
Not a very smart way to manage our players really..
If he injures it any more he may not be back for a while next year, can we afford that??
Doesn't mater how tough he is, if the shoulder goes... :-\
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He made one big dumb boo-boo in the centre of the ground but overall I had Morris in our bests yesterday. Just love his intensity and attack on the footy.
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He made one big dumb boo-boo in the centre of the ground but overall I had Morris in our bests yesterday. Just love his intensity and attack on the footy.
How was the shoulder??
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Very good game. He took some good marks and was very composed down back
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He made one big dumb boo-boo in the centre of the ground but overall I had Morris in our bests yesterday. Just love his intensity and attack on the footy.
How was the shoulder??
Morris didn't appear to be bothered or restricted by it in any way WAT.
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He made one big dumb boo-boo in the centre of the ground but overall I had Morris in our bests yesterday. Just love his intensity and attack on the footy.
How was the shoulder??
Morris didn't appear to be bothered or restricted by it in any way WAT.
Cheers mate!
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Excellent game from Bart Simpson.
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Who the hell are you? ::)
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And we got Morris from a one place swap of picks :o :thumbsup
Just an awesome player who, like some of my other favourite players - King & Rance, never skirts a contest and pushes himself to win every contest and help his team mates. Tough and tenacious, Morris has many of the same traits Cotchin....just without the same level of ability ;)
Champion - Malthouse obviously made a terrible call with this fellow :shh
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And we got Morris from a one place swap of picks :o :thumbsup
Just an awesome player who, like some of my other favourite players - King & Rance, never skirts a contest and pushes himself to win every contest and help his team mates. Tough and tenacious, Morris has many of the same traits Cotchin....just without the same level of ability ;)
Champion - Malthouse obviously made a terrible call with this fellow :shh
Reported :police: Posts on this forum can't be so . . . sensible. :rollin
Very well said.
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Where is my mate mm theses day??
oh thats right perusing through visy contracts for 2013 :lol
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And we got Morris from a one place swap of picks :o :thumbsup
Just an awesome player who, like some of my other favourite players - King & Rance, never skirts a contest and pushes himself to win every contest and help his team mates. Tough and tenacious, Morris has many of the same traits Cotchin....just without the same level of ability ;)
Champion - Malthouse obviously made a terrible call with this fellow :shh
That's sacrilegious stripes, to accuse the messiah of making a terrible call. :nope
He was just being controversial, thats his job.
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thats disgraceful to talk about our new coach like that
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thats disgraceful to talk about our new coach like that
Agree, stop poo storing him now, you might scare him away >:(
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I f only we had another lot of this guy gives us 110% always.Had a great game strong overhead and goes in hard always.
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Needs to get rid of ball before he runs out of space. Can turn the ball over short when under pressure. But in the scheme of things at least he goes in hard and hurts the opposition as much as himself.
Just needed to line up Crowley or Ballantyne
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Helbig just about picked Balla up and threw him into the top deck
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VIDEO: Morris interviewed in the rooms after the win ...
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/483191/In%20the%20rooms:%20Morris%20post%20match/
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Loving the cannonball's work at the minute. The bloke simply has no fear and he attacks the footy as though as it's his last. That smother on Crameri in the first quarter which we then ran up for a goal was inspirational. A 12-point play. Things like that a momentum changes and win you games of footy.
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hey mt
we need a "like" button on here
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Yup yup
Get on it oer
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Vote now on the real rising star of 2012
Sam Landsberger
Herald Sun
August 29, 2012 12:15PM
THERE have been 118 debutants this season. But, if you ask Adelaide coach Brenton Sanderson, the Rising Star award is a lock to head to Daniel Talia.
The Crows defender is a hot favourite despite playing nine games last year and joining the club in 2010.
He will not have to compete with GWS ball magnet Toby Greene, who was ruled ineligible with a one-match suspension earlier this year, and football experts have been quick to criticise the criteria for the award.
“Who’s going to be the better player (Greene or Talia) in five years?” North Melbourne champion David King asked today.
To win the AFL’s award you must enter the season aged 21 or under and have played 10 or fewer games.
That means Talia also doesn’t have to compete with mature-aged recruits such as Tory Dickson, Sam Gibson, Jon Giles and Dayne Zorko – despite those players entering this season with no AFL experience.
We’ve compiled a list of 10 nominees to find out who you think is the best first-year player of 2012.
The criteria is short and simple: to be eligible you must have made your AFL debut this season - that means even Israel Folau is in the mix.
And yes, Toby Greene is also in the running. And that means Talia, like with Mitch Wallis, aren't due to that pair making their debuts last season.
Read the profiles below and vote now on who you think is the best first-year player of 2012.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/afl/vote-now-on-the-real-rising-star-of-2012/story-e6frexx0-1226460694724
1. JEREMY CAMERON (Greater Western Sydney) - Games: 16 Goals: 29 Behinds: 15
2. TORY DICKSON (Western Bulldogs) - Games: 16 Goals: 22 Behinds: 9
3. JAMIE ELLIOTT (Collingwood) - Games: 12 Disposals: 135 Tackles: 57
4. SAM GIBSON (North Melbourne) - Games: 11 Disposals: 235 Efficiency: 77.4 per cent
5. JON GILES (Greater Western Sydney) - Games: 19 Goals: 15 Hitouts: 419
6. TOBY GREENE (Greater Western Sydney) - Games: 18 Disposals: 501 Score assists: 16
7. STEVE MORRIS (Richmond) - Games: 20 Efficiency: 80 per cent Rebound 50s: 36
The mature-age defender has evolved into one of the recruits of the year, missing just one game and adding a layer of resilience to Richmond’s leaky defence. Morris, 23, boasts raw pace and a knack for closing key opposition players out of matches – just ask Cyril Rioli. The dashing defender blanketed the Hawks star as the Tigers steamrolled the top team in Round 9, even burning free up forward and kicking a memorable goal. Morris also has the scalp of Steven Milne, who he shut down on the Friday night stage, with his closing speed, tackling and pressure acts quickly transforming him into one of the coaches’ favourites. Morris perfected a critical smother against Essendon last week and his ability to spark teammates with his selfless style has become a highlight of the Tigers this year. You’d now back the son of Richmond premiership great Kevin Morris to advance and become a 100-game strong defender at Punt Rd.
8. AHMED SAAD(St Kilda) - Games: 15 Goals: 27.14 Tackles: 50
9. ADAM TRELOAR (Greater Western Sydney) - Games: 17 Efficiency: 74.5 per cent Inside/rebound 50s: 81
10. DAYNE ZORKO (Brisbane Lions) - Games: 15 Inside 50s: 78 Tackles: 99
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/afl/vote-now-on-the-real-rising-star-of-2012/story-e6frexx0-1226460694724
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Morris running 3rd behind Zorko and Greene.
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Has had a very good season . His attack on the ball and his willingness to put his body on the line deserves the highest praise
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Danog was right about this bloke :cheers
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luuurvveee Morro! :thumbsup
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Danog was right about this bloke :cheers
Everybody makes mistakes. You have to admit that from his draft footage, he wasn't anywhere near as good as he's been for Richmond.
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Danog was right about this bloke :cheers
Everybody makes mistakes. You have to admit that from his draft footage, he wasn't anywhere near as good as he's been for Richmond.
;)
You do have to admit that dont you ;D
Nice to see you fished out from under your rock, only took a 3 month old chop and a piece of string...
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Danog was right about this bloke :cheers
Everybody makes mistakes. You have to admit that from his draft footage, he wasn't anywhere near as good as he's been for Richmond.
;)
You do have to admit that dont you ;D
Nice to see you fished out from under your rock, only took a 3 month old chop and a piece of string...
I was one of the first to say that Morris was a gun after seeing him at AFL level. Bit hard to be constantly checking the forums when you're road tripping in the US ;)
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Danog was right about this bloke :cheers
Everybody makes mistakes. You have to admit that from his draft footage, he wasn't anywhere near as good as he's been for Richmond.
;)
You do have to admit that dont you ;D
Nice to see you fished out from under your rock, only took a 3 month old chop and a piece of string...
I was one of the first to say that Morris was a gun after seeing him at AFL level. Bit hard to be constantly checking the forums when you're road tripping in the US ;)
I was the first
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Danog was right about this bloke :cheers
Everybody makes mistakes. You have to admit that from his draft footage, he wasn't anywhere near as good as he's been for Richmond.
;)
You do have to admit that dont you ;D
Nice to see you fished out from under your rock, only took a 3 month old chop and a piece of string...
I was one of the first to say that Morris was a gun after seeing him at AFL level. Bit hard to be constantly checking the forums when you're road tripping in the US ;)
:fishing
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:banghead
I was the first >:(
Morris - will be a cult figure. Angry angry man. White line fever. Think Glen Archer but with more size, and absolutely brutal in the contest.
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Success has many fathers................
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Snip!
Back to the topic ppl!
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Danog was right about this bloke :cheers
Everybody makes mistakes. You have to admit that from his draft footage, he wasn't anywhere near as good as he's been for Richmond.
;)
You do have to admit that dont you ;D
Nice to see you fished out from under your rock, only took a 3 month old chop and a piece of string...
I was one of the first to say that Morris was a gun after seeing him at AFL level. Bit hard to be constantly checking the forums when you're road tripping in the US ;)
:fishing
Caught a massive fish on Lake George a week ago ;D
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Mighty Morris
richmondfc.com.au
10:53 PM Wed 05 Sep, 2012
Strong small defender Steven Morris has won Richmond’s Bill Cosgrove/Harry Jenkins Best First Year Player Award at tonight’s Jack Dyer Medal presentation award.
The 23-year-old son of dual Richmond premiership player Kevin Morris played 21 games in his debut season with the Tigers after being recruited from SANFL club West Adelaide, where he had spent four years.
Morris averaged 16 disposals per game, with a season-high 23 against North Melbourne in Round 17.
He was ranked No. 2 at the Club for the unglamorous, but valuable, one-percenters (73) and No. 7 at the Club for rebound-50s (37).
More than anything, however, Morris was a standout with his bravery, boldness, tenacity, fierce attack on the ball, and his total commitment to the team’s cause on a weekly basis throughout the season.
Read the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/146930/default.aspx
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Walks the talk. Been a tremendous pick up.
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Sums it up nicely "More than anything, however, Morris was a standout with his bravery, boldness, tenacity, fierce attack on the ball, and his total commitment to the team’s cause on a weekly basis throughout the season"
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Just a thought - but if Morris gets a bigger tank for endurance - he could easily take Jackson's spot in the midfield negating role.
He is faster, harder and a better kick than Jackson
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robbing peter to pay paul though.
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Surely we can find another running half back's - Matt Arnot is one when he gets his act together.
Probably need 2 if Newman goes to the bench or up forward - Jackson ran at 54% efficiency last game. That kick to nobody into our forward line, when he failed to honour Cotchin's pass and run was shocking
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it not so much running half backs, but someone able to do a half decent lock down role on dangerous mid/small forwards, not to mention having the enemy forwards wonder if they are going to get smashed by a madman every time they go near the ball.
Id be more inclined to look to arnott playing in the midfield in the longer term and jackson can cut up the the oranges for coburg...even after we get our own seconds
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Arnot won't make it
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Arnot won't make it
Certainly not as a half back........
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Best chance is as a coffee table
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think matt dea is the one still think he will be a good player for us. brad helbig could easily play of hb conca ellis are two others not a bad place to learn the caper from.
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Batch. Grimes. Dea.
Astbury. Rance. Houli/Newman
Mids; Morris. Cotchin. Deledio. Tuck. Foley. Martin. Conca. Elllis. Grigg. Draft pick.
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revelation. :bow
now to keep it up and improve
next year.
this is where the club has failed miserably.
we must correct this NOW.
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Morris earns stripes at Richmond
Reece Homfray
From: The Advertiser
September 14, 2012 11:30PM
STEVEN Morris took an unconventional route to the AFL and last week told Richmond fans they'd have to kick him out as an old man if he's to leave.
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Morris lived his childhood dream this year of playing at the elite level after being drafted as a father/son selection from West Adelaide where he spent four years.
The tough defender exceeded his expectations by playing 21 games and was recognised as the Tigers' best first-year player and seventh in the best-and-fairest.
At last week's presentation evening he told supporters that having waited so long, he wasn't going away in a hurry.
"My ideal scenario is I get to 32 years of age and they kick me out, that's a dream for me," Morris said.
"Obviously coming in at 23, my ideal scenario is to be an integral part of the team ... because I can see success coming as a footy club."
Arriving at Richmond as a mature-age draftee in November, Morris admitted he didn't know what to expect. And he revealed he did not have an in-depth discussion with coach Damien Hardwick until January.
"To be honest, I barely spoke to Dimma for three or four months," Morris said.
"But I quite liked it, I thought `this is a chance to go head down, bum up, train hard and gain the respect of the players and coaches'."
Hardwick obviously liked what he saw as Morris played 21 games and spent time on some of the game's most dangerous small forwards.
"Round one was unbelievable and I was probably a deer in the headlights but once you adjust to ... playing in front of big crowds, it certainly becomes easier.
"It took a lot longer to really feel like I belonged at that level but when you get a vote of confidence from the players that they want you in the team is when you really feel a part of it.
"That came in the mid-part of the season."
He counts his first win in round three against Melbourne and a goal and victory against Hawthorn in round nine as season highlights.
Morris said he might have focused on stepping up to AFL too much while at the Bloods where he won the 2011 best-and-fairest.
"I was adamant that I always wanted to play AFL footy, and Collo (coach Andy Collins) was often saying `just forget about that, enjoy your footy and focus on the things you can control'. And because I was so determined I probably focused on that too heavily rather than allowing the rest to come later."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/morris-earns-stripes-at-richmond/story-e6frf9mx-1226474482479
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Arnot won't make it
Yeah righto gerks, he owned the vfl before he spent 10 weeks on the sidelines, any other howlers :lol
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obviously those giving the votes in the liston medal have different view of "owned" than you do
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yeah whoa whoa wow shhhh yeah stuff it wohahhsssajkc. shut up BJ
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Anyone know if Morris is having shoulder surgery?
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hopefully Stone Cold Stevie's attitude is infectious/contagious and rubs off on a few blokes who have had the "easy pathway"....attacks every contest (let alone every game) like his life depends on it...
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Anyone know if Morris is having shoulder surgery?
The way it kept popping out in most games, youd think!
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Never mind coburg were regularly being belted from week to week , generally difficult to get amongst the votes under the circumstances ::)
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Tell that to G.Ablett
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:lol
If you "own" the league you get votes, regardless
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Arnot won't make it
Yeah righto gerks, he owned the vfl before he spent 10 weeks on the sidelines, any other howlers :lol
Righto bogjangles. He might play more games than that Addam Maric :lol
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Morro getting the youth of SA on board the Tiggy train ...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A24VFylCQAADH1a.jpg)
https://twitter.com/stevemorris38/status/247158218764206080/photo/1
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Richmond young gun Steve Morris backs Real Heroes Walk Away campaign
Reece Homfray
From: The Advertiser
September 17, 2012 11:54AM
RICHMOND defender Steven Morris says having a schoolmate bashed almost to death in late-night city violence has made him passionate about helping stop the problem.
The 23-year-old on the weekend spoke about his work with community group "Step Back Think" which aims to educate young people about the dangers of street violence.
It comes as News Limited launches its 'Real Heroes Walk Away' campaign.
As well as his role with Step Back Think, Morris delivers resilience and positive thinking programs in schools which he hopes to bring to SA next year.
Morris was moved to get involved after one of his St Bernard's schoolmates, David Mitchell, was almost beaten to death in a late-night incident in Melbourne in 2008.
Mitchell was in a coma for 12 days and while he has now recovered, he had to learn to do life's basic things like make his bed all over again.
"We go into schools and share a few experiences that it's just not worth throwing a punch and ending someone else's life,'' Morris said.
"Or having the guilt of putting them in a coma, going to jail, all those sorts of things.
"But the more they're faced with that information, the more likely if they are in that situation to think `this sounds very familiar, it's exactly what happened to this guy' maybe we should just get out of here.
"We're not telling you what to do, there's a million different situations, we're just saying step back and think about the consequences of your actions.''
Morris, who returned to Adelaide to watch his old side defeat Central District in the SANFL's qualifying final on Sunday, said the key was educating young people to be prepared if they're encountered by late-night violence.
"Knowing and reading the cues is one of the most important things of when you might find yourself in a bad situation,'' he said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/richmond-young-gun-steve-morris-backs-real-heroes-walk-away-campaign/story-e6frf9jf-1226475711196
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Morris a trade triumph
By Adrian Ceddia
4:23 PM Tue 09 Oct, 2012[/i]
It wasn’t long ago that Richmond hard nut Steve Morris was in football limbo.
Awaiting a trade from Greater Western Sydney 12 months ago, the former West Adelaide defender wondered if he’d ever realise his AFL dream.
Enter the Tigers, who orchestrated a deal to get Morris to Punt Road.
Read the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/tabid/6301/default.aspx?newsid=149453
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Morris was voted 6th best recruit of the year ...
6. STEVE MORRIS (Richmond)
The mature-age defender added a layer of resilience to Richmond’s leaky defence this year. Morris boasts raw pace and a knack for closing key opposition players out of matches – just ask Cyril Rioli. The dashing defender blanketed the Hawks star as the Tigers steamrolled the minor premier in Round 9, even burning free up forward and kicking a memorable goal. Morris also has the scalp of Steven Milne, who he shut down on the Friday night stage, with his closing speed, tackling and pressure acts quickly transforming him into one of the coaches’ favourites. Morris’s ability to spark teammates with his selfless style has become a highlight of the Tigers this year. You’d now back the son of Richmond premiership great Kevin Morris to advance and become a 100-game strong defender at Punt Rd.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/countdown-top-10-rivalries/story-e6frf9jf-1226543117674
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You betchya, stevie morris, a forwards worst nightmare :shh
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Morro is 24 today :birthday
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Dream start for a son of a gun
By Adrian Ceddia
richmondfc.com.au
6:57pm AEDT Saturday, January 5, 2013
"I just loved the idea of playing in the jumper my dad played in. And I get to see his name on my locker every day"
Steven Morris
Richmond fans love a tough, uncompromising competitor wearing the Yellow and Black. And if any player on the Tigers’ playing list epitomises those qualities, it’s Steven Morris.
Not for some time has a first-year player made such an impression on the Tiger Army, for his fierce attack on the football and passion for the Club's values.
For Morris, a 24-year-old mature-aged recruit, who initially missed his chance to join the AFL system, it’s a dream come true.
Read the full article here:
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This guy was called a plodder on another forum :shh
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Re he he heally???
What forum would that be? A forum for plodders? :wallywink
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Re he he heally???
What forum would that be? A forum for plodders? :wallywink
Something like that
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Last time someone called morro a plodder he stuck his fist up their ass and poo hit the fan :shh
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Morris is a nutter. Happy to die for the jumper :bow
Almost makes up for losing cogs.
So refreshing after decades of softies.
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Well said
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Last time someone called morro a plodder he stuck his fist up their ass and poo hit the fan :shh
Cyril?
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Love steve morris..plays with a passion and hardness most of us tiger supporters have been waiting years to see.
Last year being his first season ,i did see some areas that i think need improving.the first being his overhead ability,and the other being his positioning relative to his opponent.if i remember correctly on just a few occasions he was turned inside out.one that sticks was eddie betts.i know last year was his first season and i have no doubt he's one of those characters who will work fiercely to overcome any perceived defficiencies.
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sometimes blokes like betts will just turn you inside out, no matter where you position yourself
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Agree Al....I guess someone like betts boils my blood ,and I didnt like it when he did turn steve m inside out
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Needs to follow up.
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Agree Al....I guess someone like betts boils my blood ,and I didnt like it when he did turn steve m inside out
they boil my blood too. when i play i want to carry rocks so i can throw them at these types as they run away from me.
some players use brute strength to evade their opponent and some players use pace and agility. good sides have a mix of both, which is something the "hes too easily pushed off the ball" brigade don't seem to understand.
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Agree Al....I guess someone like betts boils my blood ,and I didnt like it when he did turn steve m inside out
they boil my blood too. when i play i want to carry rocks so i can throw them at these types as they run away from me.
some players use brute strength to evade their opponent and some players use pace and agility. good sides have a mix of both, which is something the "hes too easily pushed off the ball" brigade don't seem to understand.
id say the pushed of it too easily brigade are very aware of pace and agilkity for small forwards. we see it to devastating effect with blokes like betts rioli bruest milne etc.
funny isnt it, it seems these blokes have more than just pace and agility. which sort of forms the basis of most arguments about our small forwards.
its not pace or agility that we complain about with the likes of nahas. its the lack of all other things.
things like his inability to keep his feet. his inability to stay over the ball the inability to lay a decent tackle the terrible foot skills have you ever seen such a one sided player. cant kick more than 40 metres on his good foot. lacks polish and class .it wouldnt be the countless lost opportunities or the lack of height given we play three runts in nahas king and edwards now that makes for great structure. as a sml forward where does he rank in the over all scheme of things imo hes well down the list. hes a vfl player nothing more and we have to be aiming higher.
nope it seems robbie is a well rounded top notch player who has pace and agility and we dont need to improve on him. seems we cant improve on him after all he kicked 36 goals i reckon my gran would have got 20 of them. how many should we have kicked with so many inside 50s.
when hes poo hes really poo but as long as he kicks the odd goal hes a keeper.unbelievable.
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you seem to have a strange perception of we, us, and them, claw.
Not everything written here is about you know? Just like one or two people disagreeing with you on any one point is not everyone.
When i made this comment you were not in the firing line. i cant recall you ever complaining about nahas being pushed off the ball too easily, but as you say you highlight his other deficiencies.
There are others who make this simple complaint about seemingly every smaller built player on the list. Yet I cant recall once, a complaint being made about how easily our more solidly built players are sometimes easily outpaced to the ball or sidestepped by opposition players. You'd think that it never happens.
and no, the brigade I'm taking about do not seem understand some of the points you have made, coz they dont concentrate on the real deficiencies. they just complain about the player being too small. An overly simplistic argument that indicates they think there is no place in the game for smaller, agile, fast players, but once again i must stress THIS iIS NOT AIMED AT YOU, don't be so paranoid.
How you attempted to twist this general statement into an argument about one specific player is quite flabbergasting actually. Except for that part, if you changed "we" to "I", we, I mean I, would agree with your post.
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Stevie's comment about the latest rule changes :whistle
Steve Morris @stevemorris38 twitter:
"This contact below the knees interpretation is going to be interesting to say the least #hardandlownolonger #fabricofthegame #AFL "
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Stevie's comment about the latest rule changes :whistle
Steve Morris @stevemorris38 twitter:
"This contact below the knees interpretation is going to be interesting to say the least #hardandlownolonger #fabricofthegame #AFL "
No more diving for Stevie
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it's a joke of a rule change
they should just remove contact all together and let girls play at every club not just Essendon ::)
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Stevie's comment about the latest rule changes :whistle
Steve Morris @stevemorris38 twitter:
"This contact below the knees interpretation is going to be interesting to say the least #hardandlownolonger #fabricofthegame #AFL "
No more diving for Stevie
:P :P
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Please sponsor Steven Morris
"I'm loosing the blonde locks for the first time in nearly 20 years to raise funds for the Leukaemia Foundation. We all have or will be affected by this disease one way or another at some point in our lives. "
http://my.leukaemiafoundation.org.au/personalPage.aspx?registrationID=485307#.UTRrq7JLYNw.twitter
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Morris gets his blonde locks shaved off:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-03-18/morris-braves-the-shave
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Did some very good things.
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Smashed the tip rat tonight, best performance from Morris for a while.. so good to have a lockdown defrender that can do the job on these bastard small fwds
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Smashed the tip rat tonight, best performance from Morris for a while.w so good to have a lockdown extender that can do the job on these bastard small fwds
:thumbsup
Morris = Milne's worst nightmare ;D. Two years in a row Morro has shutdown Milne :clapping.
(http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2013/04/05/280976.jpg)
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Competed well all night. Played a good game overall.
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Human cannonball
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Had a spat of sorts with the missus last night post-game when we were discussing best players. I was explaining the difference between Conca being one of the best players and being named in the papers as such while Morris did his job in shutting Milne down but that didn't necessarily make him a 'best' player whereas she thought he was and should be named. In the cold light of morning, unfogged by the end of week green can factor, I must admit to probably having been a tad awry with my comments to her. He was very good in shutting Milne down and was one of our best players no doubt.
Not that I'm going to verbal that to her of course! :whistle
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Yep, payed very well, lots of run.....well done.
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Had a spat of sorts with the missus last night post-game when we were discussing best players. I was explaining the difference between Conca being one of the best players and being named in the papers as such while Morris did his job in shutting Milne down but that didn't necessarily make him a 'best' player whereas she thought he was and should be named. In the cold light of morning, unfogged by the end of week green can factor, I must admit to probably having been a tad awry with my comments to her. He was very good in shutting Milne down and was one of our best players no doubt.
Not that I'm going to verbal that to her of course! :whistle
:lol
:clapping
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:lol
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:lol
x 3
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How well is this bloke travelling? 3 from 3 in towelling up small fwds, would be one of our most consistent performers so far this season. Bring on Elliot or that dribbler Didak. Elliot is better but I want Morris to smash Dids metaphorically and literally!
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Been awesome this year has Morro.
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Morris a major inspiration
By richmondfc.com.au
Wednesday, April 17, 2013
Tenacious Tiger small defender Steven Morris has won himself another fan . . .
After endearing himself to teammates, coaches, former players and supporters alike, with bold, brave on-field deeds in his 2012 debut season, Morris now has mature-age Richmond recruit, Troy Chaplin, firmly in his corner as well.
Read the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-04-17/morris-a-major-inspiration
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Just shows you how much we miss this tough nut in our backline, lucky he only got a week!!!!
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Cost us the game tonight through his undisciplined act, stupid as it didn't achieve anything'
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Cost us the game tonight through his undisciplined act, stupid as it didn't achieve anything'
u serious??? it was a perfect bump, just unlucky that any contact to the head is automatically a holiday
fwiw apart from that final matchwinning goal I thought our smalls did a really good job, walters and ballantyne have cut up better small defenders than ours
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Cost us the game tonight through his undisciplined act, stupid as it didn't achieve anything'
u serious??? it was a perfect bump, just unlucky that any contact to the head is automatically a holiday
fwiw apart from that final matchwinning goal I thought our smalls did a really good job, walters and ballantyne have cut up better small defenders than ours
If Jake King plays we win also. There is the difference.
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How many goals did their smalls kick - enough to win the game!
And did helbig play a good game ( subed off)or as I would suggest Morris would have done a better job
By the way it's not a perfect bump any more if you get them in the head !
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How many goals did their smalls kick - enough to win the game!
And did helbig play a good game ( subed off)or as I would suggest Morris would have done a better job
By the way it's not a perfect bump any more if you get them in the head !
tell me what else he should have done then?!
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Id like to hear the answer to that too.
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Play within the rules
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Swan dived, fallen over like a pansy, run away from the contest
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It was a fair bump.
The game has turned to poo.
Proof. The free kick last night for attempting to win the ball. *Cotchin incident
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Play within the rules
doesn't answer what he should have differently.
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I didnt think we d mid him so much, he may very well have been the answer :shh
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There smalls won them the game last night ( Morris is our best small defender) and I don't like the rule either but if you are going to bump you cant bump the head , you can drop your knees and bump lower to miss the head or alternatively if the other player is down low you turn your back and shepherd - I don't belie that's a reportable offence yet .
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in this case the player wasnt low. morris kept low, any lower and he would have been done for taking his legs out :rollin
the skunk caused himself to be hit, rather than prepare for the bump he tried to spin out of the firing line, but left his head there.
there is nothing morris could have done different other than not bump.
if thats what they want just outlaw it all together and call the game gaelic football
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There smalls won them the game last night ( Morris is our best small defender) and I don't like the rule either but if you are going to bump you cant bump the head , you can drop your knees and bump lower to miss the head or alternatively if the other player is down low you turn your back and shepherd - I don't belie that's a reportable offence yet .
I agree.
Regardless of the rule or how he was suspended, his absence was massive last night as way Kings. Without Morris to blanket at least one of their little ferrets we lost the game. For years teams small forwards have carved us up until Morris arrived. Morris not being in the side made a huge difference.
Umpires allowed themselves to be influenced by the crowd last night and these ridiculous new rules are a blight on the game.
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Yep. don't bump if your going to bump the head
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And how do know whether the bloke will protect himself or leave his head in the firing line?
You dont. So may as well just ban the bump and be done with it.
The game will surely be better it.
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I don't make the rules and don't agree with this rule - I agree with you, that if you cant be sure that your not going to get the head, then don't bump!
I do believe that Houli and Morris are our best small defenders and we would have won if Morris played!
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the problem is that you can never be sure you wont get the head.
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Disposals 2012 16.0
Disposals 2013 9.8
Tackles 2012 2.2
Tackles 2013 1.2
Seems to have lost a bit of ferocity at the ball too.
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Needs to go tagger or def forward.
MattDea needs a proper shot at it
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Disposals 2012 16.0
Disposals 2013 9.8
Tackles 2012 2.2
Tackles 2013 1.2
Seems to have lost a bit of ferocity at the ball too.
its cos he can't dive at the ball doing those kamikaze style slides he did last year
:banghead
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....or bump
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....or bump
RIP The BUMP :'( :'(
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Disposals 2012 16.0
Disposals 2013 9.8
Tackles 2012 2.2
Tackles 2013 1.2
Seems to have lost a bit of ferocity at the ball too.
its cos he can't dive at the ball doing those kamikaze style slides he did last year
:banghead
Also stopped Grigg from getting his one and only hardball get.
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Another umpiring blunder
They dive on the ball take our legs and they get a high contact free :banghead :banghead lost my poo at that
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Trade him
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Trade him
lets trade everyone and be done with it ;D
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Trade him
:clapping
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Trade him
...while hes got some value
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majak daw stole his juju
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Well done to Morro last night. Not any easy assignment but he did a number on the dangerous Le Cras and kept him goal-less and to only 8 mostly ineffective touches.
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VIDEO: Morris interviewed in the rooms after the game last night ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-06-04/round-10-morris-in-the-rooms
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Morris shows the tough way
By richmondfc.com.au
Wednesday, June 5, 2013
Spirited small defender, Steven Morris, epitomised the single-minded determination that enabled Richmond to overcome its significant challenge against West Coast at Patersons Stadium last Monday night.
Morris completely shut down dangerous Eagle small forward, Mark LeCras, in a typically tenacious display, as the Tigers triumphed by 41 points. LeCras was held goalless, and to just eight disposals in total, by the courageous Tiger back pocket.
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-06-05/morris-shows-the-tough-way
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Played a very good game.
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Considering how many years we got towelled up by the oppositions small forward I will be eternally thankful to Morris
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Rarely beaten this year. Would be high in the JD count thus far.
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Well done to Morro last night. Not any easy assignment but he did a number on the dangerous Le Cras and kept him goal-less and to only 8 mostly ineffective touches.
Sensational. As we know all too well traditionally small forwards are our nemesis. Worth his weight in gold.
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How bad injury?
edit - said on radio he is ok
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I thought he stayed on the ground.
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I heard it was a mild ankle..not confirmed though
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Didn't look too bad at the ground.....ran off ok.
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yeah seemed to be able to run it off, hopefully not a bad one
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What an inspiration. Leads by example.
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Gosh this bloke is a gun, 6 official stats today but did way more than that. Great stuff Morro :clapping
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Looks like Morro escaped any serious injury as he was interviewed in the rooms after the game ... phew!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMx9jfYCMAA084u.jpg:large)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/345789320067690498/photo/1
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Gosh this bloke is a gun, 6 official stats today but did way more than that. Great stuff Morro :clapping
classic case of how to impact a game when you don't get much of the ball. Ty could learn a thing or two off this competitive beast.
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Best 6 possession game I have ever seen.
The guy is intimidating for the opposition.
It's like having an extra backman!
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I wonder how much carnage there would be if moro and kingy by accident ran into each other during a match at full tilt
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Said it before.
Would die for the jumper. So refreshing after watching a team full of heartless spuds for decades.
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His attitude is brilliant as is his attack on the ball. Courageous and team oriented
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Those shepherds :clapping :clapping
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His attitude is brilliant as is his attack on the ball. Courageous and team oriented
Well put mate.
Love the little blonde thunder nugget.
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LOL thunder nugget!
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No-fear Richmond defender Steven Morris is Tom Hafey's favourite player
Glenn McFarlane
From: Herald Sun
July 21, 2013
STEVEN Morris might never be afforded the attention or accolades of higher-profile teammates, but the hard-working, hard-edged Richmond defender has something the others haven't.
He is Tom Hafey's favourite Tiger from the current team, and it's not hard to understand why.
Leaving aside the connection Hafey has had with the Morris family for more than four decades, the four-time Richmond premiership coach loves nothing more than watching a player who flings himself at the ball as if his life depended upon it.
Or one who is prepared to do everything he can to extract the best out of his himself.
Morris fits the bill on both fronts after 35 games in a season and a half wearing yellow and black.
He might not be the "back-pocket plumber'' that Hafey once famously dubbed Kevin Sheedy, but he possesses more than a hint of blue-collar work ethic which brings a glint to the eye of the man who coached his father, Kevin Morris, to two flags and a best-and-fairest with Richmond, before a later stint at Collingwood.
"He is completely fearless,'' Hafey said of Steven Morris. "He probably does a lot of things that don't show up on the stats sheet, but people at the club just love him and he makes his teammates come on stronger.
"He is just a heart and soul player. You know what you are going to get from him, 120 minutes of hard and tough footy.
"He is a great footy story - a kid who never gave up.''
The kid who never gave up is now 24 and reaping the rewards of his single-minded determination to play AFL football.
That had been sorely tested when, by his own admission, his heart was broken when he was overlooked in the 2007 rookie draft after training with Richmond, Collingwood, Essendon and Melbourne.
He followed the draft on his computer and when the Demons chose Shane Valenti with their last pick, Morris was devastated.
He left his parents' 40-acre farm at Toolern Vale, 40km north-west of Melbourne, and went to South Australia to try his luck with SANFL club West Adelaide - the side his father had coached years earlier.
In his first game there he tangled with another Victorian kid - his current teammate Ivan Maric - but Morris's career took a further cruel twist the following year when he suffered a serious knee injury, requiring a reconstruction.
The easy option would have been to give up and return home. But he stayed, worked on his rehabilitation and balanced it with a personal training business. By the end of 2011 he won his club's best-and-fairest and, finally, the AFL beckoned.
Of all clubs, it was Richmond who came calling, beating an interested Port Adelaide, to secure a trade deal for him.
Morris even got to wear his father's No.38 jumper - "It had always been a dream to wear my dad's number'' - and it was appropriate that Kevin presented his son and three other Tiger debutants - Maric included - with their guernseys before the Round 1 match against Carlton last year.
If it hadn't been for the pitfalls that Morris had experienced on his path to Punt Rd, he knows he might not be the player or the person that he is now.
"I think the fact that I have had to work so hard for it has probably held me in good stead,'' Morris said on the eve of today's crunch match with Fremantle.
"I have always wanted to get the best out of myself and give myself the best opportunity to succeed. I feel like I am doing that at the moment.
"I don't take things for granted. That's how I prepare to play and how I go out on the weekends to give it my best shot.''
Morris has made a sizeable impression at the club in a relatively short time, evidenced by the regard his teammates and coach Damien Hardwick have for him.
Part of it stems from his fanatical attack on the ball, something that clearly resonates with Hardwick - another one-time hard-edged defender who had to overcome adversity.
Teammate Brett Deledio explained recently: "I love playing in the side with Stevie ... he throws himself into every contest.''
And in one of his weekly emails to members, Hardwick recently used a smother Morris laid as an example of the sort of commitment required to win games.
That faith between player and coach was evident when Hardwick chose him to play on Carlton forward Eddie Betts in Round 1 last season - Morris's first game. It didn't faze him, despite the fact that the 78,285 fans in attendance happened to be about 74,000 more than the previous biggest crowd he had played in front of.
By the end of the year, Morris had established himself to the point where he finished seventh in the club best-and-fairest.
"I really enjoy playing on the best players,'' the Tiger says. "I enjoy playing on Eddie Betts when we play Carlton.
"I love playing Hawthorn and setting myself for Cyril Rioli. Or Hayden Ballantyne at Freo or Steven Milne if it is St Kilda.
"I know how good those players are and how important my role is to the team.
"I don't go out there to do anything but play my role within the team. I think we've improved as a team because we all know we have to play our roles.''
With Ballantyne out with a hamstring injury, Morris is likely to come up against Michael Walters tomorrow.
The one certainty is his pre-game routine won't change.
As part of his preparation he watched the Dockers in their derby clash with West Coast last Sunday on television, then spent time during the week speaking with Tigers' list manager Blair Hartley and to opposition analyst Nick Austin.
He eats three hot-cross buns leading into the match - one with three hours to go, another with two hours to go and the last one hour beforehand. If the hot-cross buns are out of season, he settles for a fruit bun.
Morris believes his attention to detail regarding his preparation has assisted him in making his mark on the AFL.
"I am pretty methodical. I like to have a routine,'' he said.
So far, it is working. He has had only 12 goals kicked on him in his 14 games this season. And while his possession rate is down a little this year - at a tick under 10 per game - his use of the ball has improved significantly.
He hopes 2013 might end with what could be his first AFL finals appearance - and the club's first since 2001.
"We've still got a lot of improvement left in us as a team,'' he said.
"At the moment we are only looking at this week's game. We can't afford to look too far ahead.
"But you would be lying if you said that you didn't think about playing in finals, and if you didn't think about one day winning a premiership. Everyone does.''
Part of Morris' strength lies in his genes, with his father playing more than 180 VFL games for two clubs before assistant coaching stints at a number of AFL clubs and a senior role in the SANFL.
What is less well known is that his mother, Jan, represented Australia in basketball.
Had it not been for the boycott of the 1980 Moscow Games, she would have been an Olympian, though she did represent her country at the world championships.
"She would have made a great centre half-back,'' Hafey recalled.
"So Steven gets it from both sides.''
Morris attacks the ball with a fervour that his father did, and that coaches love.
But that passion cost him a week on the sidelines earlier this year when he was suspended for rough conduct on Collingwood's Jamie Elliott.
Morris doesn't want to create controversy, but he believes fair bumps should remain part of the game, and that the sliding rule remains a tough one for players.
"I'm a ball player, but I just reckon we all love to see the contested nature of the game,'' he said. "As long as there is no malice in things, I think it is fair to go hard at the ball. If there is (malice), then the AFL should rightly come down hard on you.''
Morris was unaware of the regard Hafey had for him as a player, but was pleased that the legend approves of his approach to the game.
"I've known Tommy and Maureen (Hafey's wife) for years,'' he said. "I spoke to him earlier in the year when I was keen for him to come down and speak to our young kids about what Richmond was like when the club was so successful.
"He was fantastic. It is hard not to be inspired by someone who talks with such a passion for what we are buying into.
"Tommy often rings Dad and sometimes I answer the phone. I ask how he is, and Tommy always says the same thing - 'I'm good and I'm getting better'.''
It could be said the same applies to Steven Morris' football career.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/no-fear-richmond-defender-steven-morris-is-tom-hafeys-favourite-player/story-fndv8t7m-1226682447885
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Morro did another number on Cyril Rioli yesterday :clapping. Rioli only had 7 touches at 42% eff. and had no impact on the game.
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Morris on rioli was a great contest, and easily Stevie's best game for the year , too tough for him :clapping
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While he played well, Cyril is the most overrated player in the comp
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While he played well, Cyril is the most overrated player in the comp
Not that overrated but certainly goes missing a lot
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cyrill is overrsated and cant shake a tag
when will the media jump on his back and rape him
deledio >>>>>>>>>rioli
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While he played well, Cyril is the most overrated player in the comp
I thought that mantle was held by Daniel Wells.
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While he played well, Cyril is the most overrated player in the comp
I thought that mantle was held by Daniel Wells.
Cyril for his limited posessions, can be very influential.
Wellsy is just an enigma. Could run you down one minute like he chased down Rodan in 03 and the next minute stand hands on hips as the ball bounces a few metres away from him and he watches you run from him.
Picks and chooses contests.
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From Damian Barrett's Sliding Doors ...
IF ....... Steve Morris doesn’t go top five in Richmond’s best and fairest
THEN ... he’s very stiff. Been doing jobs all year. Kept Cyril to seven touches last weekend.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-09/sliding-doors-round-20
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Amen. Top ten though maybe. I can think of five better players...
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premierships are won on the backs of blokes like Morris, and part of the reason is they themselves couldnt give a stuff where they finish in the BnF
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While he played well, Cyril is the most overrated player in the comp
I thought that mantle was held by Daniel Wells.
Cyril for his limited posessions, can be very influential.
Wellsy is just an enigma. Could run you down one minute like he chased down Rodan in 03 and the next minute stand hands on hips as the ball bounces a few metres away from him and he watches you run from him.
Picks and chooses contests.
Can be influential being the operative term.....
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If.........D. Barratt was to have an unfortunate accident on the way to his car
Then.......who would suspect little old me?
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If.........D. Barratt was to have an unfortunate accident on the way to his car
Then.......who would suspect little old me?
Approve :thumbsup
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Morris provided drive off half back and a lovely goal, but it's his uncompromising approach that catches the eye. The rugged defender has now had only 15 goals kicked on him in 18 games. That is a simply outstanding return for a guy responsible for minding the game's most dangerous small forwards on a weekly basis.
Source: Herald-Sun website (http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmonds-dan-jackson-does-job-on-brisbane-as-lions-worry-about-bigger-names/story-fndv8t7m-1226694792020)
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Simply outstanding yesterday. Provided really good run
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One of my highlights yesterday was an incident in the second quarter I think ,when I think it was merret came thundering in with I think the sole intent of cleaning up Morro.they collide ,fall to the ground ,morro gets up dusts himself off and jogs off.the Brisbane player stayed in a crumpled heap for almost 30 seconds.the umpire came over to take a look and I reckon I could read his lips to merret."well you asked for it'
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One of my highlights yesterday was an incident in the second quarter I think ,when I think it was merret came thundering in with I think the sole intent of cleaning up Morro.they collide ,fall to the ground ,morro gets up dusts himself off and jogs off.the Brisbane player stayed in a crumpled heap for almost 30 seconds.the umpire came over to take a look and I reckon I could read his lips to merret."well you asked for it'
:lol
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Loved Stevie's goal , was a clincher too :shh
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One of my highlights yesterday was an incident in the second quarter I think ,when I think it was merret came thundering in with I think the sole intent of cleaning up Morro.they collide ,fall to the ground ,morro gets up dusts himself off and jogs off.the Brisbane player stayed in a crumpled heap for almost 30 seconds.the umpire came over to take a look and I reckon I could read his lips to merret."well you asked for it'
Think that was Staker, but yes very funny LOL
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VIDEO: Morris interviewed post-match ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-08-12/round-20-morris-postmatch
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The Tigers will play finals for the first time since 2001 and, according to valuable small defender, Steven Morris, they now need to turn the spotlight on themselves.
“I think our main focus has to be on us and the style of footy we play. The rest will take care of itself,” Morris told ‘Roar Vision’ in an interview following the victory over the Lions.
“We’re looking forward to the challenge over the next few weeks and into the finals.
“If we can focus on us, and the style of footy that we want to play, and play that way, it’s going to hold us in good stead to go on as far as we can into the season.”
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-08-12/tigers-inner-focus
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Death wish crazy style :cheers
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Morris the miser
afl.com.au
Friday, August 23, 2013
IS THERE a better defensive small backman in the AFL than Richmond's Steven Morris?
Three-time Hawthorn premiership defender Andrew Collins doubts it.
Collins is well qualified to talk on the subject having been one of the tightest-checking small defenders of the late 1980s and 1990s. The Hawks regarded him so highly that in 1991 they gave him the No.5 jumper that had been 'retired' since club icon Peter Crimmins' death in 1976.
Collins was also Morris' coach at West Adelaide for 2008-11 and oversaw his transformation from a midfielder into a small defender via a brief stint as a defensive forward.
Having seen Collins' fierce competitive streak and unflagging discipline up close for so long, and having followed his career at Richmond closely, Collins can't think of a better defensive small defender in the AFL right now.
"Surely the primary role of a defender is to nullify your opponent," Collins told AFL.com.au.
"I imagine Damien (Hardwick) just sits back and thinks that with Steve Morris in his team the opposition's best small forward won't have an avenue to goal today.
"So whether it's Cyril Rioli, whether it's Eddie Betts or whoever, Damien must take comfort knowing Stevie will fight for him and, more often than not, take out his opponent."
Champion Data statistics support Collins' lofty rating of Morris. Out of a sample of 16 of the competition's best small/medium defenders, Morris ranks second this season for goals conceded a game, with 0.79.
Only Geelong's Corey Enright has been stingier (conceding 0.68 goals a game) but the Cats often send Cameron Guthrie to the opposition's most dangerous small forward, while trying to free up playmakers like Enright and Jimmy Bartel.
Enright is also often manned by defensive forwards more intent on limiting his influence than kicking goals.
St Kilda's Jarryn Geary (0.58 goals a game) and Western Bulldog Liam Picken (0.72 goals) have also conceded fewer goals than Morris, but they are among a group of small backmen who divide their time between defence and run-with roles in the midfield.
In the 19 games he has played this season – just his second in the AFL – Morris has kept his opponent goalless seven times. Those 'victims' have included elite goalsneaks such as Rioli (round 19), Betts (round 21), West Coast's Mark LeCras (round 10) and Geelong's Steven Motlop (round six).
Morris, 185cm, has conceded multiple goals just twice this year, both times against St Kilda, two in round two (Stephen Milne and Ahmed Saad one each) and three in round 14 (Trent Dennis-Lane two and Brodie Murdoch one).
When Morris missed his only game this season, through suspension in round six, Richmond lost to Fremantle by one point after Freo small forwards Hayden Ballantyne and Michael Walters kicked four and two goals respectively.
It's a season that should put the 24-year-old son of two-time Richmond premiership player Kevin Morris firmly in contention for All-Australian selection.
But, ironically, Morris' supreme defensive focus could count against him come selection time.
Keeping elite small forwards quiet is a demanding job and it's meant Morris' average possession count has dipped from almost 16 possessions a game in 2012 to 9.8 this year.
Traditionally, the All-Australian selectors have preferred more attacking defenders and Nick Malceski, Enright, Pearce Hanley, Andrew Walker and Adam Cooney all fit that bill this season.
It's also not uncommon for star midfielders to be squeezed into the team through unfamiliar roles across half-back.
But Collins says there is a place for old-fashioned, hard-checking defenders like Morris in the All-Australian team.
"The All-Australian selectors normally choose the full-back who has had the least goals scored against him and you should probably choose your first small defender with that same principle," Collins says.
"Most opposition teams have small forwards just as dangerous as their key forwards, so you should chose a negating defender as part of a balanced team.
"Stevie is so disciplined and adheres so closely to team instructions that he allows others the glory.
"He's such a selfless young man and plays with a very anti-social attitude. He uses legal, strong defensive tactics to stop his opponent and there are very few guys that can score against him."
SMALL/MEDIUM DEFENDERS 'REVERSE COLEMAN MEDAL'
PLAYER GAMES GOALS CONCEDED AVG
Corey Enright (Geel) 19 13 0.68
Steven Morris (Rich) 19 15 0.79
Cameron O'Shea (PA) 20 17 0.85
Heath Shaw (Coll) 17 16 0.94
Shaun Atley (NM) 20 21 1.05
Lynden Dunn (Melb) 16 18 1.13
Sam Butler (WC) 13 15 1.15
Brent Guerra (Haw) 15 18 1.20
Mark Baguley (Ess) 19 24 1.26
Nick Smith (Syd) 20 26 1.30
Cameron Guthrie (Geel) 16 21 1.31
Sean Dempster (StK) 17 24 1.41
Zach Tuohy (Carl) 20 31 1.55
Adam Kennedy (GWS) 17 27 1.59
Dean Terlich (Melb) 18 34 1.89
Alan Toovey (Coll) 5 10 2.00
PLAYED SOME GAMES IN MIDFIELD
PLAYER GAMES GOALS CONCEDED AVG
Jarryn Geary (StK) 19 11 0.58
Liam Picken (WB) 18 13 0.72
Lee Spurr (Frem) 19 16 0.84
Rory Laird (Adel) 16 14 0.88
Greg Broughton (GC) 16 15 0.94
* Statistics courtesy of Champion Data
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-23/morris-the-miser
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the comments about AA selection highlight why it just a big wank fest and means SWA.It is simply not worth getting upset about who does and who doesn't get selected in this fantasy side
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I didn't see anything of Morris until his first game but when I did, I was extremely excited at what I saw.
The typical Tiger of old, tenacious and fearless attack on the ball and the opposition is outstanding.
This Tiger will go places over the next 7 or 8 years.
If only backmen won brownlows, he'd be a shoe in for sure.
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AUDIO: Richmond defender Steve Morris, spoke to Chrisso & McGuane on RSN Breakfast, ahead of the club's first final match in over ten years. Will Steve get the job on dangerous small Carlton forward, Eddie Betts?
http://www.rsn.net.au/audioplayer/1378163458.mp3
* Not only two years ago, but four and five years ago, I was running around in the SANFL. When I first went over there, I couldn’t even get a game in the seniors, for the first little bit. In the last two years, it’s all gone pretty quickly, and when you think about guys like Chris Newman, Daniel Jackson and Jake King – guys who have been around the Club for near on 10 years or more, I’m pretty lucky to come to the Club when it’s really thriving. Guys like myself and Brandon Ellis and Nick Vlastuin are really lucky to come to such a great club at a great time.
* I’ve really had to work on a few aspects of my game, in terms of the balance between offence and defence. I think I’m getting that balance right, at the right time of the year. I’m starting to have an influence, offensively. It was probably something that was lacking earlier in the season. I was doing a good job defensively, but I just wasn’t able to hurt the opposition teams the other way.
Read full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-09-03/morris-riding-his-luck
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Tough Tiger Steve Morris has made life a misery for forwards
Mark Robinson
From: Herald Sun
September 03, 2013 9:24PM
WHEN the teams separate for their positions on Sunday afternoon, it's almost certain Steven Morris will cannon into Eddie Betts to reacquaint himself.
Twice Morris has played on Betts this year - Rounds 1 and 21 - for combined tally of 119 minutes.
In that time, he's given up just one goal.
All up, one player wants $600,000, the other pockets about $200,000.
In between is $400,000 of attitude.
He's a ripper, Morris, and a nominee for the AFL Players' Association Most Courageous Player award, as voted by his 850 peers.
He missed out on All-Australian squad selection, despite giving up a total of 17 goals to opposition forwards for the year.
The most in one game was three against Essendon in Round 9.
And it's not as if he's played on so-so players.
His scalps included Stephen Milne, Steve Motlop, Chad Wingard, Mark Le Cras, Luke Dahlhaus, Michael Walters and Cyril Rioli.
Morris is one of the reasons why the Tigers will play their first final in 12 years.
He's part of a rebuilt Richmond backline that includes Bachar Houli, Dylan Grimes, Troy Chaplin and vastly improved Alex Rance.
The sixth defensive spot is a raffle between Chris Newman, Nick Vlastuin, Brandon Ellis and Ricky Petterd.
All have their qualities, none of them has Morris's attitude.
He plays tight, plays rough and lets his opponent know nothing will come easy.
Whether it's an arm on the body, a heavy tackle, or even jogging back to their positions after a boundary throw-in when Morris will harass and bump.
He has quickly become a Tigers fans' favorite.
He played 21 games in his first year and 21 so far this year, after being recruited as a mature-age player.
His improvement must come by winning more of the ball, but at this stage he's a stopper.
Former coach Terry Wallace is a great admirer.
Morris tried out with the Tigers briefly under Wallace, but the word was Morris's body wasn't ready.
In an interview between the pair this year, Morris had a small crack at Wallace.
He reckons players such as Morris who missed out their first time, returned to state league football, and then tried again, have a greater respect for their position at the club and within the team than some players who are first and second-round draft selections.
"I had him down there when I was coaching, and his body wasn't quite right (according to the recruiters)," Wallace said.
"And sometimes going away, as he did in South Australia, it puts that steel rod in them.
"I interviewed him halfway through this year and he had a little snip at me, basically, 'thanks very much for not picking me up'. But it was good. It showed how much it meant to him. He was angry, he just wanted to le me know 'this is what I can do'."
"Some kids just don't have that attitude. Some kids don't have to fight and scrap and want."
Off the field, some players complete community work because they are told to, Morris does it because he wants to.
He is the face of the club's Best Buddies program, which is part of the club's partnership with The Alannah and Madeline Foundation
He visits schools and talks of resilience and having support for each other. It's a story he's familiar with.
Other nominations yesterday for the Robert Rose Most Courageous Award were: Rory Sloane (Adel), Joel Patfull (Bris), Kade Simpson (Carl), Luke Ball (Coll), Mark Baguley (Ess), Matt De Boer (Frem), Joel Selwood (Geel), David Swallow (GC), Callan Ward (GWS), Ben Stratton (Haw), Colin Garland (Melb), Jack Ziebell (NM), Jay Schulz (Port), Jarryn Geary (StK), Daniel Hannebery (Syd), Darren Glass (WC), Daniel Cross (WB).
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/tough-tiger-steve-morris-has-made-life-a-misery-for-forwards/story-fndv8t7m-1226710081897
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Not footy related but Morro is now writing regular articles for the racing industry.
http://www.racingandsports.com.au/en/racing/from-left-of-centre-story-292952
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Morris' interview on SEN this morning:
AUDIO: http://soundcloud.com/sen1116
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Morris told to be more offensive
David Tolson
SEN
14-1-2014
After averaging 12.9 disposals in his 43-game career whilst playing on some of the best small forwards in the AFL, Richmond defender Steven Morris has been told improve the offensive side of his game.
The 25-year old told 1116 SEN that he is looking to increase his rebounds from the defensive 50.
“I know the club is pretty keen for me to be more offensive and develop my game in that area,” Morris said on Tuesday morning.
“Obviously I’ve played a fairly negative role in trying to shut down the oppositions better small forwards throughout last year but hopefully this year I can get a little bit more of the ball myself and provide a bit more rebound and run out of the backline,” he said.
The third year player said the Tigers’ training standards have improved this pre-season.
“I think we’re training a lot better than we did this time last year and hopefully we can take that into the games in a few weeks time.
“Probably our standards at training have lifted and what we expect of each other. We’ve got a better understanding of what we expect from each other out on the field and obviously out on the training track I think the skill level has gone to another level.
“We’re definitely training more – the quantity of our training has gone up and I certainly think the quality has gone up too. It’s all looking good for the next few months,” he said.
Morris touted fellow third-year player Brandon Ellis as one Tiger who looks set to explode in 2014.
“In terms of the fitness testing, Brandon Ellis has been absolutely super the whole way through.
“He’s testing high in the sprint tests, the stamina tests, he was right up the front in our 2km time-trial so he’s been fantastic.
“Our young key forwards Ben Griffiths and Ty Vickery have both shown a fair bit at training, they’ve been really good so that’s positive signs for us. It’s one area we’re keen to consolidate,” he said.
The Tigers made a conscious effort to bolster their depth in the off-season by recruiting several mature-age recruits.
Morris believes they will be a key to the Tigers push for more finals football this year.
“Shaun Hampson is a pretty big unit up forward, he’ll be fantastic for us. Nathan Gordon upstaged (Ellis) in the 2km time-trial on the weekend which was good.
“Matt Thomas has certainly got white-line fever even on the training track so it’s all good to see these guys who are certainly going to improve us throughout the year training well,” he said.
http://www.sen.com.au/display-article-2013/Morris-told-to-be-more-offensive/63301
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Great read :clapping Gordon beating Ellis in the 2 km trial is great for competition. Hearing the Griffiths and Vickery are performing well is wonderful news for our forward line too. Sounds like Thomas only knows one way to play - stick him on Arnot! Hampton never had any problems taking a grab but I pray we teach him how to kick for goal!!!
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Morris will be a star, IMO anyway.
As he said, he wants to increase his rebounds from defensive 50.
I'm sure he will, as 2012 saw a total of 37 rebounds, and that total dropped by more than half to just 16 in 2013. That's no where near as many as it should be. Especially when comparing to someone like Andrew Mackie from geepong who had 69 rebounds in 2013. Geepong didn't win a flag that year, but in 2011 when they did win the flag, Mackie had 93 rebounds for the year. Certainly says how the backline should be performing to win the big one and have a great year in all.
He played one more game than than 2012 and his stats are a fair bit lower, but I think his intensity on the ball will dramatically increase in 2014.
It's too hot to type any more 42.8 degrees here in Melbourne, I'm off the have a bourbon woooooooooohooooooooooooo.
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Also, hope that the coaches have mentioned that he needs to keep his feet more and that sometimes he needs to tackle rather than going the bump ;D
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A bit more from Morro here:
“We’ve beaten the two grand finalists in the last two seasons, so we can be very good, but the main thing is we want to be better for longer,” Morris said.
“Too many times last year we just had 10 to 15-minute fadeouts that cost us four or five goals.
“We understand we just have to put an end to that if we want to consistently be competitive against the very best sides.”
Full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-01-14/tigers-lift-track-standards
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After many years of getting spanked by opposition small forwards I would be happy if he just continues the good work and anything on top of that is a bonus
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Morris will be a star, IMO anyway.
As he said, he wants to increase his rebounds from defensive 50.
I'm sure he will, as 2012 saw a total of 37 rebounds, and that total dropped by more than half to just 16 in 2013. That's no where near as many as it should be. Especially when comparing to someone like Andrew Mackie from geepong who had 69 rebounds in 2013. Geepong didn't win a flag that year, but in 2011 when they did win the flag, Mackie had 93 rebounds for the year. Certainly says how the backline should be performing to win the big one and have a great year in all.
He played one more game than than 2012 and his stats are a fair bit lower, but I think his intensity on the ball will dramatically increase in 2014.
It's too hot to type any more 42.8 degrees here in Melbourne, I'm off the have a bourbon woooooooooohooooooooooooo.
Comparing Morris to Mackie just because they both play in defense is a touch unfair on Morro. A better player to compare against Mackie would be Houli when it comes to rebounding the footy. A better stat would be how many goals have been kick on Morris in the last two years.. It ain't many! Compare that to how many 'small forwards' kicked against us before Morris joined us.
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hooray they do see faults. i wonder if they have told grimes a similar thing.
to be honest i cant see morris ever becoming a top notch rebounder and most certainly not when there is absolutely no one else to do the job he does. could houli do a shut down job on a small forward well he should be able to, but it doesnt happen. newman has always struggled with the quick small forwards. ellis nope conca nope definately not deledio.
vlastuin is a reader of the play and needs a like for like match up imo. find another player with pace who can perform the role and morris may just be freed up enough to either hurt more with rebound or go thru the middle in a run with role.
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Tagger
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After many years of getting spanked by opposition small forwards I would be happy if he just continues the good work and anything on top of that is a bonus
totally agree
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Tagger
Yeah, now that's something I'd like to see him do.
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After many years of getting spanked by opposition small forwards I would be happy if he just continues the good work and anything on top of that is a bonus
:clapping
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Morris played a valuable role in Richmond’s 12-point win against Carlton last Thursday night, initially on clever small forward Jeff Garlett, before being shifted on to the dangerous Chris Yarran at three-quarter time.
Yarran, who had kicked three goals to that stage of the match, was held to just three disposals in the final term by Morris.
Read the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-04-03/roar-emotion-lifts-tigers
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as a stopper hes been fantastic 95% of the time.
but you know what when heis beaten as a stopper what does he have to offer. this is not a criticism of his worth and the role he does but compare him to the players on that list above and just how more rounded most of their games are.
hes a keeper for sure but i hope the club are working hard on developing other areas of his game.
i also hope the club are searching for someone else who can do what morris does for us. there will be times when steven gets beaten and you have a rampant betts or thomas on your hands what then. houli or newman we are kidding.
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Dea = morris
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Dea = morris
lol after 4 yrs hes performed no where near what morris has done.
as such hes no where near morris until he can show he is. dont get me wrong i like matt dea and have regularly said so, but there is proven performance and theres potential. we could put every kid in the comp up there based on potential.
its funny how so many continue to proclaim players before they have proven a thing.
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Put him in the fwd line
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Morris struggles against the indigenous players.
...but so does everyone in our team. :banghead
Other than that hes a beauty. :thumbsup
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Did very well on Dalhaus. Brave.
One of our best yesterday.
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Send him to Germany to fix the shoulder
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He's been carrying this for a while, hopefully at seasons end he has corrective surgery
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He's been carrying this for a while, hopefully at seasons end he has corrective surgery
He had surgery at the end of last year but reinsured the same shoulder with a kamikaze act in the first game of the year. There is little any medico can do when you play like that...
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He's been carrying this for a while, hopefully at seasons end he has corrective surgery
He had surgery at the end of last year but reinsured the same shoulder with a kamikaze act in the first game of the year. There is little any medico can do when you play like that...
Well they could suggest not playing him and sending in him for more surgery to do the full reco and fix it properly. Clearly the surgery didnt work last time
His shoulder is popping more than bag of popcorn in a microwave at the moment
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Would give us a chance to elevate somebody like Miles too. Then maybe see if McDonough is quick enough to play small defender role...
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This injury will be the end of him
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Bloody hope not. One of our best. Huge balls.
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He's been carrying this for a while, hopefully at seasons end he has corrective surgery
He had surgery at the end of last year but reinsured the same shoulder with a kamikaze act in the first game of the year. There is little any medico can do when you play like that...
Well they could suggest not playing him and sending in him for more surgery to do the full reco and fix it properly. Clearly the surgery didnt work last time
His shoulder is popping more than bag of popcorn in a microwave at the moment
He could have the best full reco in the world and still destroy all the good work by the way he throws himself into contests.....
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He's been carrying this for a while, hopefully at seasons end he has corrective surgery
He had surgery at the end of last year but reinsured the same shoulder with a kamikaze act in the first game of the year. There is little any medico can do when you play like that...
Well they could suggest not playing him and sending in him for more surgery to do the full reco and fix it properly. Clearly the surgery didnt work last time
His shoulder is popping more than bag of popcorn in a microwave at the moment
He could have the best full reco in the world and still destroy all the good work by the way he throws himself into contests.....
Not trying to be a smart you know what but I thought with shoulder recos they can really make the joint "tight" with the way they pin/staple (not sure of the correct wording) the muscles/tendons hence why it takes in some cases a longer time to get a full range of movement back in the joint. So if you did that wouldn't that lead to greater strength in the joint if that makes sense?
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The AFL should introduce shoulder pads as part of its 'Americanisation' for blokes like Steven
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He's been carrying this for a while, hopefully at seasons end he has corrective surgery
He had surgery at the end of last year but reinsured the same shoulder with a kamikaze act in the first game of the year. There is little any medico can do when you play like that...
Well they could suggest not playing him and sending in him for more surgery to do the full reco and fix it properly. Clearly the surgery didnt work last time
His shoulder is popping more than bag of popcorn in a microwave at the moment
He could have the best full reco in the world and still destroy all the good work by the way he throws himself into contests.....
Not trying to be a smart you know what but I thought with shoulder recos they can really make the joint "tight" with the way they pin/staple (not sure of the correct wording) the muscles/tendons hence why it takes in some cases a longer time to get a full range of movement back in the joint. So if you did that wouldn't that lead to greater strength in the joint if that makes sense?
Reasonable question WP. The problem always remains that a player that hurls himself "shoulder first" into a contest will loosen any surgery that tightens it up. We are talking tendons, bones and muscles here, not titanium magnesium carbon fibre space age materials.
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Reasonable question WP. The problem always remains that a player that hurls himself "shoulder first" into a contest will loosen any surgery that tightens it up. We are talking tendons, bones and muscles here, not titanium magnesium carbon fibre space age materials.
Thanks
It's interesting, I remember years ago when Wayne Carey had his 2nd reco he said that the surgeon had deliberately made the 2nd one tighter to make it harder for it to pop out.
Then for the other side I have a friend who had a reco and they thought they had tightened it too much because it took a lot longer for him to get the range of movement back than what they thought it would. Good news though was hasn't pooped his shoulder since the surgery
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Bloody hope not. One of our best. Huge balls.
Indeed. Best back pocket we have had in years.
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He's been carrying this for a while, hopefully at seasons end he has corrective surgery
He had surgery at the end of last year but reinsured the same shoulder with a kamikaze act in the first game of the year. There is little any medico can do when you play like that...
Well they could suggest not playing him and sending in him for more surgery to do the full reco and fix it properly. Clearly the surgery didnt work last time
His shoulder is popping more than bag of popcorn in a microwave at the moment
He hurt it again early last night and was tackling and bumping one-sided again. It's not doing him nor the team any good by playing injured.
Fixing it would probably cost him the season, but better now than missing an entire pre-season at the end of the year, I would have thought.
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At 1-6 or 2-7 it might be time to prepare for 2015.
Lose to Brissy and a smart footy manager might just make the call sooner rather than later.
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While this is most logical in regards to long term planning
The coach only cares about short term it seems hence Morris won't be operated on until seasons end
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Becoming more and more a liability down back IMO. Actually think he'd go alright as an inside mid. He can replace Thomas and we can put Batchelor in his spot....or something.....
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Morro is limited but he still generally shuts down his opponent, wins hard ball and sets the standard for intensity every game.
Get rid of the soft shafts who turn it over before worrying bout Morro.
I still remember the days when small forwards used to murder us routinely. Doesn't happen as much anymore.
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Morro is limited but he still generally shuts down his opponent, wins hard ball and sets the standard for intensity every game.
Get rid of the soft shafts who turn it over before worrying bout Morro.
I still remember the days when small forwards used to murder us routinely. Doesn't happen as much anymore.
:clapping Well Said :clapping
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Dropped 10% love the guy but?
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Dropped 10% love the guy but?
But what CUB?
Who else on our list can even come close to doing what he does? For 20 years we've been crying out for some sort of shutdown small defender and we finally get one and people are starting to question him after 1 year? I agree he is a limited footballer but he makes up for it in other areas and is the only player on our list I have any confidence in being able to shut down a small defender.
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CUB was just saying that he loves guy but.
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Of course he looks great measured up against some of the back pockets we've had before.....but has he really been that great down there? Who are the great small forwards out there these days? Milne & St.Kilda were in rapid decline by the time Morris hit the scene....Rioli's either been injured or out of form whenever we've played them.....then there's Carlton...Betts still had days out....Garlett & Yarran would have if they kicked straight...hardly Morris' doing....Le Cras' been absent......it's was wet last time we played Port & Wingard. He stopped Sydney's smalls at the G , but they weren't needed last year up there as White & Tippet carved us up. How'd Elliot go two weeks ago?
Can't fault his endeavour or intestinal fortitude , but I watch him at our home games....IMO he has several flaws in his game that are a liabilty down back, but which could be minimised and even turned into badly need assets in the middle. Could easily do Thomas' job but way better.
Of course it was a only a suggestion mainly in regards to a situation that isn't helped by our current inabilty to select Miles (and the fact Helbig's a dud IMO.) and I realise it would create a new dilemna in who to replce him down back with...hence why I said "..or something..."
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He's one tough mofo but definitely makes some skill errors. Best we've got in the role currently.
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Of course he looks great measured up against some of the back pockets we've had before.....but has he really been that great down there? Who are the great small forwards out there these days? Milne & St.Kilda were in rapid decline by the time Morris hit the scene....Rioli's either been injured or out of form whenever we've played them.....then there's Carlton...Betts still had days out....Garlett & Yarran would have if they kicked straight...hardly Morris' doing....Le Cras' been absent......it's was wet last time we played Port & Wingard. He stopped Sydney's smalls at the G , but they weren't needed last year up there as White & Tippet carved us up. How'd Elliot go two weeks ago?
Can't fault his endeavour or intestinal fortitude , but I watch him at our home games....IMO he has several flaws in his game that are a liabilty down back, but which could be minimised and even turned into badly need assets in the middle. Could easily do Thomas' job but way better.
Of course it was a only a suggestion mainly in regards to a situation that isn't helped by our current inabilty to select Miles (and the fact Helbig's a dud IMO.) and I realise it would create a new dilemna in who to replce him down back with...hence why I said "..or something..."
Seems like a whole bunch of excuses to me. Morris is great at shutting his opponent consistently and sometimes plays great attacking footy.
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Last year he was the second best small forward by goals conceded per game, behind Corey Enright. Not a bad effort IMO.
Skills leave a bit to be desired and he's a little out of form. So are many blokes which is frustrating. But if we lose games it won't be for lack of effort or courage from Morris.
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Carrying an injury at present
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Carrying an injury at present
Whoa. It's not his shoulder is it? Is it? Can you please tell us.
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Carrying an injury at present
Yep, clearly has 1 arm.
Wouldn't mind seeing him as a D/Fwd as a roll of the dice.
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Not had full use of two arms for quite some time
Would prefer him as a yagger cause he psychotic
Shame for blokes like this to risk death for the jumper when others not going hard
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Let's hope and pray that the young fella never gets injured and misses any games, for the rest of his playing career.
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He s a good defensive small back, but needs to be better at playing to his limitations,
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He s a good defensive small back, but needs to be better at playing to his limitations,
Exactly, but everyone expects him to become a bonafide rebounding defender to boot. Just play within your limitations exactly bj
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Stevie Morris is playing his 50th game this week.
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Stevie Morris is playing his 50th game this week.
Playing injured with a right shoulder that needs another reco. >:(
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Won't get to 100.
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I personally think he has been a bloody star since he joined us.
Congrats Steve, if we had more like you we would be in good shape.
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I personally think he has been a bloody star since he joined us.
Congrats Steve, if we had more like you we would be in good shape.
The falling to the ground annoys the stuff out of me BT
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does well with limited ability as a defender.
Been a handy 50.Well done.
Gawn !
;D
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Milestone game . Loss.
Anyone from Nought got a milestone when we play them?
Bookmark this if Boomer plays on next year his 400th will at the Dome in their home game against us.
I have no doubt about this.
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I personally think he has been a bloody star since he joined us.
Congrats Steve, if we had more like you we would be in good shape.
The falling to the ground annoys the stuff out of me BT
The way the other f'heads are playing the falling over is the least I worry about. I don't think I have ever seen such a lazy soft Tigers side in all my time.
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I personally think he has been a bloody star since he joined us.
Congrats Steve, if we had more like you we would be in good shape.
The falling to the ground annoys the stuff out of me BT
Yeah but he gets back up....
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I personally think he has been a bloody star since he joined us.
Congrats Steve, if we had more like you we would be in good shape.
The falling to the ground annoys the stuff out of me BT
Ditto
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I personally think he has been a bloody star since he joined us.
Congrats Steve, if we had more like you we would be in good shape.
The falling to the ground annoys the stuff out of me BT
Yeah but he gets back up....when it's too late.
EFA
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I personally think he has been a bloody star since he joined us.
Congrats Steve, if we had more like you we would be in good shape.
The falling to the ground annoys the stuff out of me BT
To right he's been a blody star.
As for falling over, he literally throws himself at the ball and/or the opposition MORE than any other player on the Richmond list, maybe apart from Cotchin though.
If you think he's just falling over, you're seriously blind.
He is an asset to our team no end, and if we had another 15 or so with half his intensity (which unfortunately isn't all the time), we would have a great team, not the weak crap that gets served up every week so far this year.
At one stage in the third quarter, 3 of our players were walking across midfield while the ball was passing them by, MORRIS was already out running them trying to get to the competition on the other side of the ground. He didn't get there in time, but by stuff he put in, like he always does.
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yeah an asset okay. Is that the same asset that people used to say about Jake King.
i suggest you open your eyes and watch him a little closely as i do.
i have seen him fall over multiple times when it wasnt warranted. even on the weekend his falling over contributed to a goal or 2. Pretty sure it was the city end and in the goal square. Happens all the bloody time. I dont mind him as a player and agree is the least of our concerns but keep your bloody feet.
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yeah an asset okay. Is that the same asset that people used to say about Jake King.
i suggest you open your eyes and watch him a little closely as i do.
i have seen him fall over multiple times when it wasnt warranted. even on the weekend his falling over contributed to a goal or 2. Pretty sure it was the city end and in the goal square. Happens all the bloody time. I dont mind him as a player and agree is the least of our concerns but keep your bloody feet.
Yeah you're right he does need to keep his feet, and yeah I do watch him closely, no need for suggesting anything.
Just peeed that nobody else on our team tries anywhere near as hard as he does, again apart from Cotchin.
Just watchin the hawks go about it last week was amazing compared to our FIT players, yes they're fit alright they obviously just don't want to the work at any defined rate above a stroll.
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:thumbsup
Think we agree his the least of our concerns when you consider we gave up nothing for him unlike these 3 year mormans we have on our list
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Milestone game . Loss.
Anyone from Nought got a milestone when we play them?
Bookmark this if Boomer plays on next year his 400th will at the Dome in their home game against us.
I have no doubt about this.
^ This no doubt, I would put money on it if I were a betting man. Prob Nahas 50th as well :lol bloke taps the ball in croquette style with his old fella for winning goal :shh
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:thumbsup
Think we agree his the least of our concerns when you consider we gave up nothing for him unlike these 3 year mormans we have on our list
Although I do agree with you, we gave up nothing for Thomas either. He's still a problem. :whistle
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:thumbsup
Think we agree his the least of our concerns when you consider we gave up nothing for him unlike these 3 year mormans we have on our list
Although I do agree with you, we gave up nothing for Thomas either. He's still a problem. :whistle
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Big time
What a complete waste of time money and list spot
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Won't get to 100.
Signed for 3 more years after this. There's 15 more this year plus another 66. He will get 131. :whistle
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Needs to be medically managed much better than what he is currently. Can't lay a tackle using his right arm to stop his opponent.
Why do we play guys injured?
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Won't get to 100.
Signed for 3 more years after this. There's 15 more this year plus another 66. He will get 131. :whistle
Yeah that's great.
Won't get to 100.
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I've gone a bit cold on Morris. Makes a lot of mistakes currently.
If we had the depth his spot would be in jeopary as much as anyone.
Alas we don't.. :(
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Won't get to 100.
Signed for 3 more years after this. There's 15 more this year plus another 66. He will get 131. :whistle
Yeah that's great.
Won't get to 100.
you think he will get dropped? They're playing him with a missing arm. :lol
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I've gone a bit cold on Morris. Makes a lot of mistakes currently.
If we had the depth his spot would be in jeopary as much as anyone.
Alas we don't.. :(
Seems like a good bloke love his tenacity and attack, but kinda agree
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I've gone a bit cold on Morris. Makes a lot of mistakes currently.
If we had the depth his spot would be in jeopary as much as anyone.
Alas we don't.. :(
Seems like a good bloke love his tenacity and attack, but kinda agree
If we had greater depth, Stevo wouldn't have to carry everybody else, so therefore would have the chance to play a shitload better.
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I've gone a bit cold on Morris. Makes a lot of mistakes currently.
If we had the depth his spot would be in jeopary as much as anyone.
Alas we don't.. :(
Seems like a good bloke love his tenacity and attack, but kinda agree
Honeymoon period over with Stevie. I agree but everything seems skata at Punt Rd right now.
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It's like we've been wearing brown goggles for the past 6 weeks.
Poo-vision goggles, if you will.
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not sure about the angst with morris atm.
he has a role to perform and even injured he performs that role way better than any player we have. hes a walk up start.
i agree with others though, he needs to work on his skills and he needs to stay on his feet. they are things that can be improved on imo. dea and helbig are two ive advocated we develop in a similar role to morris but with the added bonus of giving run and rebound.
matt thomas, well i did scream blue murder when we took him. in fairness to him hes performed in a couple of areas very well. im happy to give him a game but it means we have to be careful how many like him we play. to me this is the problem atm too many glass half fulls.
id prefer thomas atm to s edwards foley or newman poor skills and all. i think like tuck we need to get him to work within his limitations and be aware of his weaknesses. he is going to get hurt on rebounds because hes not quick but i can tell ya all there is plenty of not quick players getting games and performing roles for their club. our structures and game plan should cater for this type of thing as well as his teammates being prepared to cover for him. can anyone name one player who has been better inside than him for us this yr. or applied tackles half as well.
reckon hes played well in all games bar the collingwood game where he made plenty of mistakes but was one of few who had a go and the brissie game
time for us to get back to balancing out the team with not too many poor kicks and not too many slow players get it right and i reckon a player like thomas has a role to perform for us for now. ironically he is one of those who is slow and a poor kick that should get a game imo.
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not sure about the angst with morris atm.
he has a role to perform and even injured he performs that role way better than any player we have. hes a walk up start.
i agree with others though, he needs to work on his skills and he needs to stay on his feet. they are things that can be improved on imo. dea and helbig are two ive advocated we develop in a similar role to morris but with the added bonus of giving run and rebound.
matt thomas, well i did scream blue murder when we took him. in fairness to him hes performed in a couple of areas very well. im happy to give him a game but it means we have to be careful how many like him we play. to me this is the problem atm too many glass half fulls.
id prefer thomas atm to s edwards foley or newman poor skills and all. i think like tuck we need to get him to work within his limitations and be aware of his weaknesses. he is going to get hurt on rebounds because hes not quick but i can tell ya all there is plenty of not quick players getting games and performing roles for their club. our structures and game plan should cater for this type of thing as well as his teammates being prepared to cover for him. can anyone name one player who has been better inside than him for us this yr. or applied tackles half as well.
reckon hes played well in all games bar the collingwood game where he made plenty of mistakes but was one of few who had a go and the brissie game
time for us to get back to balancing out the team with not too many poor kicks and not too many slow players get it right and i reckon a player like thomas has a role to perform for us for now. ironically he is one of those who is slow and a poor kick that should get a game imo.
Dea would be better in the role we are trying to develop Morris into. Morris is better if we want a purely negating defender. Seems we don't want that, so hopefully Dea gets a game soon. Can then let Morris go fix his shoulder which he clearly needs to.
As with Thomas, I just want to see 22 blokes have a crack. Then we can replace them with better skilled guys later.
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Won't get to 100.
Signed for 3 more years after this. There's 15 more this year plus another 66. He will get 131. :whistle
Yeah that's great.
Won't get to 100.
you think he will get dropped? They're playing him with a missing arm. :lol
Which is one of the reasons he won't get to 100.
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Should Morris' move be a more permanent one then? Do we have another small defender who could take Jetta, Zaharahas and/or Chapman this week?
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Morris fwd/tagger
MattDea. Back
Vlastuin. Middle
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Works for me Bents. And this week I'd give Dea first crack at Chapman.
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Morris in the middle & up forward is the way to go. Outlived his usefulness down back.
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Morris in the middle & up forward is the way to go. Outlied his usefulness down back.
Morris. Not skilful enough for the back line
Houli. Too soft for back line
Both have positives however
Ideally you have defenders that are skilled and hard in the vlastuin/martin/lids class IMO
MattDea certainly has at least the nuts ala morris
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Morris in the middle & up forward is the way to go. Outlived his usefulness down back.
That's right
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Silly me. I thought this was a Jack Riewoldt thread.
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Keep playing morris next to jack
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Morris and Jack - like peaches and cream :clapping
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Morris and Jack - like peaches and cream :clapping
Like ebony and ivory :shh
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liked his game on the weekend
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Morris and Jack - like peaches and cream :clapping
Like ebony and ivory :shh
Like Rob and Fab....(that's for you Phil Mrakov). ;D
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Keep playing morris next to jack
Jake King being moved to the forward line saved his career and made him Triple M royalty. Perhaps Morris will be well suited for that role as well. Does anyone know what his set shot kicking is like?
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Kingly was actually a very good set shot. Had one of our best conversion rates.
Doubt Morro would be as effective in this regard.
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Steve has just had 30 shots in the warm up
Slotted 26
Plays forward tonight you would assume
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Steve has just had 30 shots in the warm up
Slotted 26
Plays forward tonight you would assume
Kingy was a pretty average back pocket but tried his guts out, pretty similar to Morris. If Morris can be a good shot for goal I think he'll be a really successful small forward who can play a negating role on sweeping rebounding defenders and be a barometer for defensive pressure.
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Leave him the stuff in the backline, when will we stop stuffing these players around...FFS :banghead
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You cannot questions Steves effort. If our whole team played with his intensity we would be a lot better
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Leave him the stuff in the backline, when will we stop stuffing these players around...FFS :banghead
His lack of skill is exposed in the back line. Like houli lack of bravery.
Ideally you want people there who have both. (Deledio. Vlastuin)
Mdea is one of few that is as tough as morris - given his age and background he could improve his ready reasonable skills
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why hasn't this bloke been sent in to fix his shoulder? Isnt it a 3-4 month rehab to get back? Send him in now and have him cherry ripe for day one of preseason you dumb idiots
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Stumbles has a big heart....and one arm like a piece of kfc.
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why hasn't this bloke been sent in to fix his shoulder? Isnt it a 3-4 month rehab to get back? Send him in now and have him cherry ripe for day one of preseason you dumb stuffers
No it's far more important we save face (and arses) and aim for another meaningless mid-table finish to give the pleb fans "hope".
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why hasn't this bloke been sent in to fix his shoulder? Isnt it a 3-4 month rehab to get back? Send him in now and have him cherry ripe for day one of preseason you dumb stuffers
No it's far more important we save face (and arses) and aim for another meaningless mid-table finish to give the pleb fans "hope".
We = not morris who would be better off with operations and rest
Best for morris or dimma? :whistle
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Battler right now.
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Battler right now.
Maybe he'd be good if he was allowed to fix his body :whistle
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Morris has been put into surgery and will miss the remainder of the season.
(This is what should be happening)
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Morris has been put into surgery and will miss the remainder of the season.
(This is what should be happening)
You're a tease!
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Not sure the should would fix his terrible skills.
Might have to be delisted
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He is playing without a shoulder. Was a good player before that. Generated run out of defense and shut down the key small forward who used to get a hand full of goals every week before we recruited him.
Needs to be put to pasture for this season so that he can prepare for the next. Currently a major liability in defense.
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He is playing without a shoulder. Was a good player before that. Generated run out of defense and shut down the key small forward who used to get a hand full of goals every week before we recruited him.
Needs to be put to pasture for this season so that he can prepare for the next. Currently a major liability in defense.
Hardwick won't be allowing morris deledio cochin gamesoff
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Not sure the should would fix his terrible skills.
Might have to be delisted
Skills were fine in 12/13
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Like cotchin
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Not sure the should would fix his terrible skills.
Might have to be delisted
On that line poor skills=delist, we would not have too many players left
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Would also be on the line: has balls = save
We would not have too many players in that group
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What's actually wrong with his shoulder?
Surely if it was repairable (and serious) he'd be in for surgery right now.
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What's actually wrong with his shoulder?
Surely if it was repairable (and serious) he'd be in for surgery right now.
But the season is on the line
Can't send him in to fix it
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What's actually wrong with his shoulder?
Surely if it was repairable (and serious) he'd be in for surgery right now.
Its popping out every single week, it pops back in quickly and he gets back out on the park but... Im no doc but I assume he needs a reco to tighten up the structure of the shoulder. Even if its not that's drastic I assume he needs a decent amount of time off to get the rehab right. IE do it now and have him ready for day 1 of a massive preseason. Same goes for anyone else that needs surgery. Get them in so theyre ALL ready for the biggest preseason of their careers
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What's actually wrong with his shoulder?
Surely if it was repairable (and serious) he'd be in for surgery right now.
They're waiting until an appropriate piece of KFC is found and are going to replace the whole arm.
Thalidomide child vibe
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[Its popping out every single week
Oh is that all. :help
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all because hardwick sees him as a younger version of him.Morris is x10 tougher than that idiot is/was
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What's actually wrong with his shoulder?
Surely if it was repairable (and serious) he'd be in for surgery right now.
Its popping out every single week, it pops back in quickly and he gets back out on the park but... Im no doc but I assume he needs a reco to tighten up the structure of the shoulder. Even if its not that's drastic I assume he needs a decent amount of time off to get the rehab right. IE do it now and have him ready for day 1 of a massive preseason. Same goes for anyone else that needs surgery. Get them in so theyre ALL ready for the biggest preseason of their careers
Would need some serious tightening and rehab that will take longer than 3-4 months to get it spot on. Looking closer to 6-7 months (before being ready to get into full contact stuff).
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What's actually wrong with his shoulder?
Surely if it was repairable (and serious) he'd be in for surgery right now.
Its popping out every single week, it pops back in quickly and he gets back out on the park but... Im no doc but I assume he needs a reco to tighten up the structure of the shoulder. Even if its not that's drastic I assume he needs a decent amount of time off to get the rehab right. IE do it now and have him ready for day 1 of a massive preseason. Same goes for anyone else that needs surgery. Get them in so theyre ALL ready for the biggest preseason of their careers
Would need some serious tightening and rehab that will take longer than 3-4 months to get it spot on. Looking closer to 6-7 months (before being ready to get into full contact stuff).
We are pushing for finals this year.
Can't send morris for surgery
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What's actually wrong with his shoulder?
Surely if it was repairable (and serious) he'd be in for surgery right now.
Its popping out every single week, it pops back in quickly and he gets back out on the park but... Im no doc but I assume he needs a reco to tighten up the structure of the shoulder. Even if its not that's drastic I assume he needs a decent amount of time off to get the rehab right. IE do it now and have him ready for day 1 of a massive preseason. Same goes for anyone else that needs surgery. Get them in so theyre ALL ready for the biggest preseason of their careers
Regardless of how long he takes to recover the point is a valid one. He should have the necessary surgery now and will hopefully be right for preseason training for next year but sadly I have no confidence that the club will show any initiative and sadly he will be forced to play with this condition until season end.
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Get them in so theyre ALL ready for the biggest preseason of their careers
And then go get a coach and fitness dept that are capable of delivering that pre-season you speak of! :help
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Look we need all hands on deck for a late charge at the mid-table.
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Put Morris on the LTIL & have him fix for next season. Even if we had a faint chance of playing finals the lads would be beat up that bad they would be a 1st elimination final out again. Play the younger players & be done with a season lost.
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Looks like this might be the only way his shoulder will get a rest:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-06-30/morris-charged-twice-by-afl-match-review-panel
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Looks like this might be the only way his shoulder will get a rest:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-06-30/morris-charged-twice-by-afl-match-review-panel
we will challenge and succeed.
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I can't stuffen believe that , was a late tackle not high it's a crok :banghead
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How Beams gets away with a fully intentional punch to the stomach and gets away with it but Morris accidentally head clashes is beyond me.
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Love Morro..if he had a higher skill level he would be everything I would want in a footballer
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VIDEO: Morris' rough conduct offences:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-06-30/morris-rough-conduct-offences
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VIDEO: Morris' rough conduct offences:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-06-30/morris-rough-conduct-offences
Rubbish. The game's got sooooooo soft it isn't funny. :banghead
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Laughable. How is it that Riewoldts (Nick) late and crude hit on Rance wasn't looked at in the same vein?
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Morris and the Club have accepted the MRP's one week suspension.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/richmond-tigers/steven-morris-to-miss-game-with-brisbane-lions-after-all-players-accept-mrp-sanctions-20140701-zsrvw.html?rand=1404181075329
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Glad to see us finallly shoulder the blame.
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VIDEO: Morris' rough conduct offences:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-06-30/morris-rough-conduct-offences
Rubbish. The game's got sooooooo soft it isn't funny. :banghead
...but think of the children
:banghead :banghead
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FFS really?? that is worth a week?
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Poor ET!
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seen enough of this bloke for the rest of the year and to be honest for good.
This bloke has gone backwards the most in our entire playing list. Totally out of form.
Must have contributed to at least 3 goals against today.
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Must have contributed to at least 3 goals against today.
Correct
Terrific, just terrific TM
But at least his shoulder didn't pop out today ::)
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it was two, and they looked bad, real bad.
can somone at the game say if he ignored options up the ground on these occasions or if lack of work rate from others left him holding the baby?
despite that, i thought his battle with Wines was entertaining and honours pretty much even in the end.
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Must have contributed to at least 3 goals against today.
Correct
Terrific, just terrific TM
But at least his shoulder didn't pop out today ::)
The first holding the ball trying to take on Port blokes at least he tried to make the play, possibly didn't hear the call of his teammate who knows. Whilst he is responsible for it at least he was trying to get into space and try and create off half back the one just before half time was diabolical.
Is playing outside his limitations and its affecting his performance.
Needs to get back to basics and learn to keep his feet.
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it was two, and they looked bad, real bad.
can somone at the game say if he ignored options up the ground on these occasions or if lack of work rate from others left him holding the baby?
despite that, i thought his battle with Wines was entertaining and honours pretty much even in the end.
The first one as I said al he was trying to create and the number of white jumpers around him ultimately overwhelmed him but he could have dished off the one just before half time that got it to 26 or 20 points, diabolical. :help
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So, is he a weak link?
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The first one was just as bad, Riewoldt was one-out 40 metres ahead of him.
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He was average with those goals he gifted Port but think he can still offer something.
His chase on White was terrible also, everyone knows you take the shorter route towards the goal which is the inside. He would have been able to pull him down if he did that.
Just needs to learn first option, which many of our players do.
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The first one was just as bad, Riewoldt was one-out 40 metres ahead of him.
A lot of traffic in front of him, tried to create the path and took that one extra player on.
Has not got the best evasive skills so shouldn't be doing that in the firstplace.
Limitations and has to play within them.
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Won a lot of 50 /50s with his kamikaze style
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Should've got 2 weeks.
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Went in for surgery*
*Hand surgery :lol :lol :lol Club lost me on this one
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Defender Steve Morris will be on the sidelines for at least one week with a hand injury.
Morris had minor surgery earlier this week to repair his hand, which was injured in last Friday night’s win against West Coast at Patersons Stadium.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-07-30/morris-to-miss
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I see they're ignoring his shoulder again
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I see they're ignoring his shoulder again
That's what Higgins will be for. Knee for Knights, shoulder for Morris, ticker for Grigg, spare hammy to keep on ice at games for Grimes etc
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What Steve Needs...
(http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs32/i/2008/209/7/9/actionman_armless_side_by_lizthompson.jpg)
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Is that Steven Bradbury?
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Another Dimma has got wrong this year.
Last year he was that lockdown stopper of the oppositions best forward. And barely beaten in two years.
Dimma in his wisdom has tried to make him more attacking and it has stuffed with his head.
At the end of the day he isn't a great kick as it is, so the fewer times he has it the better as long as his opponent isn't getting it.
It's one thing to be more attacking and I'm all for it but if it hinders the guys best asset, well it's simply not worth it.
We have other blokes who's job it is to hit a target coming out of the backline.
Get him back to basics and what made him a great player the two previous years.
We also desperately need a genuine tagger in the midfield. And that's not Jackson in any sense of the word.
Could Helbig be turned into it? Has he got the selflessness to do it? IMO it's his only hope of staying on the list..
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Another Dimma has got wrong this year.
Last year he was that lockdown stopper of the oppositions best forward. And barely beaten in two years.
Dimma in his wisdom has tried to make him more attacking and it has stuffed with his head.
At the end of the day he isn't a great kick as it is, so the fewer times he has it the better as long as his opponent isn't getting it.
It's one thing to be more attacking and I'm all for it but if it hinders the guys best asset, well it's simply not worth it.
We have other blokes who's job it is to hit a target coming out of the backline.
Get him back to basics and what made him a great player the two previous years.
We also desperately need a genuine tagger in the midfield. And that's not Jackson in any sense of the word.
Could Helbig be turned into it? Has he got the selflessness to do it? IMO it's his only hope of staying on the list..
I agree with you bt. Helbig would be an ideal tagger as he is tough and uncompromising. The only question is, does he have the concentration to follow his opponent closely all the time? If Lyon could make a hack like Clinton Jones into a tagger, why can't we make Helbig one?
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Jones is 10x the player Helbig will ever be.
Oh and Morris was attacking in his first year and that was his best year IMO because he shut them down as well. Dimma wanted him to go back to that and rightfully so, Morris just hasn't done it right
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Clinton Jones is Chris Judd compared to Helbig.
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>:(
Clinton Jones is Chris Judd compared to Helbig.
Have to agree, Clinton Jones has been a very good player for the saints.
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Jones is 10x the player Helbig will ever be.
Oh and Morris was attacking in his first year and that was his best year IMO because he shut them down as well. Dimma wanted him to go back to that and rightfully so, Morris just hasn't done it right
Not sure of the stats but Morris wasn't attacking in his first year. Or second for that matter. He just did that job on the best small forwards.
Can anyone get the stats on his first couple of years?
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Credit where it's due. We needed to keep Betts fairly quiet tonight and Morro did the job.
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Credit where it's due. We needed to keep Betts fairly quiet tonight and Morro did the job.
Spot on. Massive.
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Yep, that's is his go. Lock down on a bloke and nothing else.
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KISS
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Credit where it's due. We needed to keep Betts fairly quiet tonight and Morro did the job.
Spot on. Massive.
There's wasn't a moment when Eddie was close to the ball I thought he'd kick a goal but Morris was super, Infact all the backline boys did an outstanding job tonight.
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Credit where it's due. We needed to keep Betts fairly quiet tonight and Morro did the job.
Spot on. Massive.
There's wasn't a moment when Eddie was close to the ball I thought he'd kick a goal but Morris was super, Infact all the backline boys did an outstanding job tonight.
Again :thumbsup
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He looked like he was annoying the crap out of him....
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Betts was his usual annoying self. Thought Stevie was outstanding. Got one of his two goals from a kick out stuff up by us. Typical Betts poaching but really had few clear chances tonight.
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Gotta have a heart the size of a horse to play with that shoulder.
Well done tonight
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In the last few minutes he put his balls to the wall and committed to high ball in the centre square and got it going our way. Huge effort.
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Jones is 10x the player Helbig will ever be.
Oh and Morris was attacking in his first year and that was his best year IMO because he shut them down as well. Dimma wanted him to go back to that and rightfully so, Morris just hasn't done it right
Not sure of the stats but Morris wasn't attacking in his first year. Or second for that matter. He just did that job on the best small forwards.
Can anyone get the stats on his first couple of years?
I should of said more attacking. Not like a Houli or Newman but he was still a lot more attacking. I quick look shows in 2012 he averaged 16 disposals but only 10 last year and had more marks, bounces, rebound 50's and to my surprise more tackles. Hence Dimma wanted more attack from him and he's boosted his numbers up to 12 disposals a game this year.
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one of my favorite players. Has some brain fades at times but those huge balls will win over any supporter. Gutzy player
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One player under a cloud is defender Steven Morris, who has been carrying a shoulder injury all year. Hardwick said the injury needed surgery but Morris had elected to play on through the season.
Source: The Age (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/were-learning-to-win-the-tight-ones-says-richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-20140821-106lex.html#ixzz3AzLgjias)
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Looked a bad move initially but seems to have come to terms with playing with it in recent weeks.
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Should've had it done when we were poo. Earlier in the year. He'll go in hard and do it again in round 1 anyway :lol
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One player under a cloud is defender Steven Morris, who has been carrying a shoulder injury all year. Hardwick said the injury needed surgery but Morris had elected to play on through the season.
Source: The Age (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/were-learning-to-win-the-tight-ones-says-richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-20140821-106lex.html#ixzz3AzLgjias)
Good to see that we're leaving crucial medical assessments up to the players.
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Claw says we would risk long term health of the playing group.
So its not worth worrying about
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One player under a cloud is defender Steven Morris, who has been carrying a shoulder injury all year. Hardwick said the injury needed surgery but Morris had elected to play on through the season.
Source: The Age (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/were-learning-to-win-the-tight-ones-says-richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-20140821-106lex.html#ixzz3AzLgjias)
Good to see that we're leaving crucial medical assessments up to the players.
Yeah let's just force them into the surgery room against their will ::)
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One player under a cloud is defender Steven Morris, who has been carrying a shoulder injury all year. Hardwick said the injury needed surgery but Morris had elected to play on through the season.
Source: The Age (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/were-learning-to-win-the-tight-ones-says-richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-20140821-106lex.html#ixzz3AzLgjias)
Good to see that we're leaving crucial medical assessments up to the players.
Yeah let's just force them into the surgery room against their will ::)
or maybe stop selecting injured players and they might recognise the need for surgery immediately.
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If his injured output is better than what's left over in the ressies (it is) then why detriment the team just to fill ones own ego?
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Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has revealed that the Tigers’ tough-as-teak small defender, Steven Morris, played out the entire season with a shoulder that needs reconstructive surgery.
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-09-08/morris-mighty-courage
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Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has revealed that the Tigers’ tough-as-teak small defender, Steven Morris, played out the entire season with a shoulder that needs reconstructive surgery.
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-09-08/morris-mighty-courage
Gomer Pyle…….
Surprise, surprise, surprise!
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fantastic injury management.
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fantastic injury management.
Best in the land, my friend!
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I think you will find he came to the club like that and he played in the same condition last year. But the usual injury management of our players is second to none.... :whistle
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Please tell me his bung shoulder is responsible for his bung kicking.
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The days of being able to afford to have a battering ram in your backline are coming to an end if they are not already long gone. While yes we need his hardness, and we have just come off a final where we were extremely soft, you really need your half back flankers to be able to kick and kick precisely-AND do the hard things. You're never, ever going to get the kicking from Morris so you are conceding a huge kicking weakness in an important area as long as he is in the side.
I think he is exposed in zone defences too, he is strictly a one on one player, who seems to have lost a yard.
Players of Morris' type are usually lucky to last 100 games so we should be planning for life without him anyhow.
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^^^
Exactly and Batch is in the same boat!!!
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I think Matt Dea could play Morro's role. Wouldn't be quite as hard but definitely more class.
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I think Matt Dea could play Morro's role. Wouldn't be quite as hard but definitely more class.
Yep get Dea in for take your pick of morris, Newman or Houli
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Hate to say this but Steve don't cut it!
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Needs surgery huh? FMD. Should have done it after round 13.
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The days of being able to afford to have a battering ram in your backline are coming to an end if they are not already long gone. While yes we need his hardness, and we have just come off a final where we were extremely soft, you really need your half back flankers to be able to kick and kick precisely-AND do the hard things. You're never, ever going to get the kicking from Morris so you are conceding a huge kicking weakness in an important area as long as he is in the side.
I think he is exposed in zone defences too, he is strictly a one on one player, who seems to have lost a yard.
Players of Morris' type are usually lucky to last 100 games so we should be planning for life without him anyhow.
Brilliant post
Nailed it :clapping
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I actually disagree, if we had the class to rebound without always hand balling to a person in a worse position we wouldn't have Morris trying to get things rolling. When watching him I feel he tries to do too much because he is sick of blokes giving the ball to people in a worse position. Get people who can rebound effectively and leave Morris to shut down the most dangerous small forward as I reckon there is still a place for that in our game.
Would there be a spot for him in our midfield? Boak looked pretty dangerous on the weekend...
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Stevie Morris is the least of our problems. Let's not get too idealistic here gents.
Half our issue is in the attitude and expectations our players have on the club.
And then there are others who refuse to be 100% committed on the field.
Stevie M at least puts everything on the line.
Commits to every single contest.
How many on our list that you can say that about?
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Should've been in surgery after nab when he did it. Probably cost the club having him out there playing like a dud
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Stevie Morris is the least of our problems. Let's not get too idealistic here gents.
Half our issue is in the attitude and expectations our players have on the club.
And then there are others who refuse to be 100% committed on the field.
Stevie M at least puts everything on the line.
Commits to every single contest.
How many on our list that you can say that about?
agree yandb, Morris gets beaten sometimes and makes errors when he tries to do more than he's capable of, but by and large he's the least of our problems, used correctly I still think hes a valuable player
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He has got a hell of a lot to work on over the pre-season regarding his pace, skills and decision making. He can be the hardest nut in the AFL but without the before mentioned he will be left wanting and shown up!!
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Goes to ground too much and unless he wins the ball- critical.
If he can keep his feet can still be valuable and FFS get his shoulder right RFC. :help
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From RFC_Official:
Morris is training up the ground this year, more as a mid or forward, not entirely sure.
Houli was on him in spurts and Hunt.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/tigers-pre-season-2015.1081351/page-26#post-36786434
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From RFC_Official:
Morris is training up the ground this year, more as a mid or forward, not entirely sure.
Houli was on him in spurts and Hunt.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/tigers-pre-season-2015.1081351/page-26#post-36786434
Morris would've given Houli a bath, then Hunt went to him to even it up.
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Training up the ground. Is that like training with the midfield group and burning up the track?
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Training up the ground. Is that like training with the midfield group and burning up the track?
Yes while having your best ever pre-season
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That's enough of your cliches, WP ;D
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Training up the ground. Is that like training with the midfield group and burning up the track?
Yes while having your best ever pre-season
Training the house down! ;D
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I hope we didn't pick up a proven tagger in Hunt just to move Morris into a similar role and then shove Hunt to a back pocket.
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Foot skills aren't good enough to play up the ground IMO.
Tough enough for the midfield though.
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I hope we didn't pick up a proven tagger in Hunt just to move Morris into a similar role and then shove Hunt to a back pocket.
Agree, though it sounds like a typical Hardwick move.
Foot skills aren't good enough to play up the ground IMO.
Tough enough for the midfield though.
While his footskills wouldn't be an assett up the ground , they at least would be less of a liabilty than they are down back. Having said that, I also agree...down back with stints in the guts would be the best use of him as long as we don't rob Peter to pay Paul, as yeahright alluded to, and we need to find someone to cover for him in the bp while he's in the midfield. One of the new recruits perhaps? Never liked Petterd in defence, don't really rate Dea or McKintosh and don't want us sticking another small forward down back. Castagna sound like he fits the role but we'd need to elevate him first and, barring any LTI's,we can only elevate one before the season.
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This kids going to be like a new recruit :shh
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Castagna sound like he fits the role but we'd need to elevate him first and, barring any LTI's,we can only elevate one before the season.
For me his foot skills are far too poor. Morris' are pretty bad too but I don't think they stink to the same level as Castagna.
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Castagna sound like he fits the role but we'd need to elevate him first and, barring any LTI's,we can only elevate one before the season.
For me his foot skills are far too poor. Morris' are pretty bad too but I don't think they stink to the same level as Castagna.
Doesn't hurt to have a few more whipping boys in the team, it keeps the forum flowing
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Castagna sound like he fits the role but we'd need to elevate him first and, barring any LTI's,we can only elevate one before the season.
For me his foot skills are far too poor. Morris' are pretty bad too but I don't think they stink to the same level as Castagna.
Doesn't hurt to have a few more whipping boys in the team, it keeps the forum flowing
Like a well oiled machine.
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Castagna sound like he fits the role but we'd need to elevate him first and, barring any LTI's,we can only elevate one before the season.
For me his foot skills are far too poor. Morris' are pretty bad too but I don't think they stink to the same level as Castagna.
Why do you think Castagna's footskills are so bad?
What did he go at by foot in 2014?
His highlights on the a RFC website show him to be a very good kick.
Just interested where you have got that opinion from.
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I have to admit it's a very uninformed opinion going off what little footage I have seen of him but the highlight packages I have seen of him they have been horrible and that is meant to be his highlights
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Castagna sound like he fits the role but we'd need to elevate him first and, barring any LTI's,we can only elevate one before the season.
For me his foot skills are far too poor. Morris' are pretty bad too but I don't think they stink to the same level as Castagna.
Why do you think Castagna's footskills are so bad?
What did he go at by foot in 2014?
His highlights on the a RFC website show him to be a very good kick.
Just interested where you have got that opinion from.
He went at 100% poo kick. He's a freaking turno over merchant
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Castagna sound like he fits the role but we'd need to elevate him first and, barring any LTI's,we can only elevate one before the season.
For me his foot skills are far too poor. Morris' are pretty bad too but I don't think they stink to the same level as Castagna.
Doesn't hurt to have a few more whipping boys in the team, it keeps the forum flowing
cmon chucky. the said for a good long period that they would not take players who ant kick or make too many poor decisions. not having a go at castagna but surely there were players out there who met our criteria of pace but can kick .
pretty simple rule is if by 18 they cant master the absolute basics of the game its unlikely they will at 20 or 22 or later.
for some of us the club breaks iots own rules it shouts out loud one thing and does the opposite. geez drummond is another if there is a sizeable knock on his game its his kicking,
its almost like we have several criteria or boxes that must be ticked but come crunch time we ignore the process we should go thru. if they dont tick the required boxes dont take em.
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If there is a time to take someone with poor kicking but other good traits the rookie draft is the time to do it so I'm not really going to fault the club on that one
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If he's any good we'll never know because
Damien won't play him.
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Ideally you want good footskills in the backline (well anywhere, but that's where poor disposal is most directly costly) but if Castagna can shut down a small forward at least as well as Morris does but is a better decision maker, doesn't over commit to contests or overrun the ball, is smarter with his positional play, doesn't give away silly frees and is quicker, he should be able to compensate for his (alleged) poor disposal by foot better and will therefore be an upgrade.
Though at this stage it's all moot because most likely:
If he's any good we'll never know because
Damien won't play him.
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I have to admit it's a very uninformed opinion going off what little footage I have seen of him but the highlight packages I have seen of him they have been horrible and that is meant to be his highlights
Not sure what highlights packages you are watching but take a look at the one on the RFC site. Doesn't miss a target.
I'd be interested to see what packages you have seen. Can you post a link?
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Ideally you want good footskills in the backline (well anywhere, but that's where poor disposal is most directly costly) but if Castagna can shut down a small forward at least as well as Morris does but is a better decision maker, doesn't over commit to contests or overrun the ball, is smarter with his positional play, doesn't give away silly frees and is quicker, he should be able to compensate for his (alleged) poor disposal by foot better and will therefore be an upgrade.
Though at this stage it's all moot because most likely:
If he's any good we'll never know because
Damien won't play him.
rather than take poorly skilled players id rather give a go to a bloke like andrew stephen at e/freo. hes a 23yo, has good skills and has been one of the better sml/med defenders in the wafl for two or three seasons.
if they are badly deficient dont touch em give a state leaguer a go or take a punt on a tall.
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What did he go at by foot in 2014?
Apparently ~79% but I couldn't take you seriously if you trust kicking efficiency stats for any footballer.
Not sure what highlights packages you are watching but take a look at the one on the RFC site. Doesn't miss a target.
I'd be interested to see what packages you have seen. Can you post a link?
Watch the first 1:30 of this (or the rest if you want) and you'll see why https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK7IYSZn9PM . Don't have to wait long for him to miss a simple kick as he does it the very first kick of the video. Then watch until 1:20 and you'll see him hit his first target by foot
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Castagna sound like he fits the role but we'd need to elevate him first and, barring any LTI's,we can only elevate one before the season.
For me his foot skills are far too poor. Morris' are pretty bad too but I don't think they stink to the same level as Castagna.
Doesn't hurt to have a few more whipping boys in the team, it keeps the forum flowing
cmon chucky. the said for a good long period that they would not take players who ant kick or make too many poor decisions. not having a go at castagna but surely there were players out there who met our criteria of pace but can kick .
pretty simple rule is if by 18 they cant master the absolute basics of the game its unlikely they will at 20 or 22 or later.
for some of us the club breaks iots own rules it shouts out loud one thing and does the opposite. geez drummond is another if there is a sizeable knock on his game its his kicking,
its almost like we have several criteria or boxes that must be ticked but come crunch time we ignore the process we should go thru. if they dont tick the required boxes dont take em.
I agree santa but I'm talking about who on our current list could replace/fill-in for Morris in the back pocket/small defender role and how to make best use of what we've have on our list right now, not about who we coulda woulda shoulda taken....there'll always be plenty of other opportunities for that discusssion as a Richmond supporter....
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Based on those Youtube highlights, he'll have to improve massively by foot and by lots by hand. He's got a steep improvement curve to climb.
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Based on those Youtube highlights, he'll have to improve massively by foot and by lots by hand. He's got a steep improvement curve to climb.
Yep and problem with kicking (like Claw said) is that chances are it won't improve at least not drastically. Hopefully it does though because the kid seems to have all the other tools to be a really good player.
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kicking is a skill,all skills can be improved
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It can, and I hope it does, but most times if you're a poo kick you're a poo kick. A lot more can be done with decision making skills which can help shade the fact someone is an average kick
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KB was a crap kick in field play but over time it certainly didn't effect him.He got the ball so often and kept pushing it forward that it didn't really matter
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What did he go at by foot in 2014?
Apparently ~79% but I couldn't take you seriously if you trust kicking efficiency stats for any footballer.
Not sure what highlights packages you are watching but take a look at the one on the RFC site. Doesn't miss a target.
I'd be interested to see what packages you have seen. Can you post a link?
Watch the first 1:30 of this (or the rest if you want) and you'll see why https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK7IYSZn9PM . Don't have to wait long for him to miss a simple kick as he does it the very first kick of the video. Then watch until 1:20 and you'll see him hit his first target by foot
For a kid who takes the game on like this kid does 79% efficiency is very good. I know that stat doesn't really help your take, but it's there for all to see. If he kicked backwards and sideways like Ellis I'd say the stat is a little overinflated.
Also that fact he is kicking out from goal on a couple of occasions tells me his coaches rate his kicking. He is playing for the big V and against the best kids in the land. No doubt he misses some targets in that clip but his other clip on the RFC site shows him to be a very reliable kick.
Take a look and let me know what you think.
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All you have to do is bomb it long and it's counted as effective so I'm sorry but I just don't believe in the kicking efficiency stat otherwise I'd have to believe Matt Dea (83.1%) or Rance (79.8%) is a better kick than Brandon Ellis (73.4% with his 'overinflated' stats) or Martin (67%) or Deledio (71.8%). Well actually I read somewhere that one of his coaches or one of the AFL talent guys didn't really rate his kicking or decision making and if I could dig it up I would but I can't remember where I read it. Not sure of your point regarding the big V comment because if it's some sort of excuse for his kicking then what's it going to be like when he steps up to AFL?
Yep looks reliable in that video but you can see from that video they chopped and chose what disposals to put on the video whereas the other one was more of a full showing of all his disposals.
Hopefully we get to see not only his kicking skills in the NAB but also his blistering pace which we desperately need :thumbsup
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All you have to do is bomb it long and it's counted as effective so I'm sorry but I just don't believe in the kicking efficiency stat otherwise I'd have to believe Matt Dea (83.1%) or Rance (79.8%) is a better kick than Brandon Ellis (73.4% with his 'overinflated' stats) or Martin (67%) or Deledio (71.8%). Well actually I read somewhere that one of his coaches or one of the AFL talent guys didn't really rate his kicking or decision making and if I could dig it up I would but I can't remember where I read it. Not sure of your point regarding the big V comment because if it's some sort of excuse for his kicking then what's it going to be like when he steps up to AFL?
Yep looks reliable in that video but you can see from that video they chopped and chose what disposals to put on the video whereas the other one was more of a full showing of all his disposals.
Hopefully we get to see not only his kicking skills in the NAB but also his blistering pace which we desperately need :thumbsup
All i meant about playing for the big V was he was kicking in from goal with all the best talent available to do so in his place.
With the kicking efficiency, I agree that it can sometimes not really indicate how good or bad a player is. And as you said if you kick it long to a contest it's considered effective. That's just how it's done, I don't mind if a kick to a contest is called effective, it's creates a 50/50 contest and that not a lose. There isn't always a free player to kick to so why should a kick to a contest be called not effective.
For me it's more about what sort of pressure a player is under when he does kick the footy but there is no stat for that. I think people hear something or see a couple of bad kicks from a player and then label them bad kicks for their careers. Alex Rance is a good example, he is a very reliable kick, not to say he doesn't mess one up occasionally but he better than people give him credit for.
Anyway just my take. I really hope some of these kids like George get a go because we desparately need their pace and their attack on the game. Kids like George, break lines and give your forwards a better than even chance. :cheers
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All you have to do is bomb it long and it's counted as effective so I'm sorry but I just don't believe in the kicking efficiency stat otherwise I'd have to believe Matt Dea (83.1%) or Rance (79.8%) is a better kick than Brandon Ellis (73.4% with his 'overinflated' stats) or Martin (67%) or Deledio (71.8%). Well actually I read somewhere that one of his coaches or one of the AFL talent guys didn't really rate his kicking or decision making and if I could dig it up I would but I can't remember where I read it. Not sure of your point regarding the big V comment because if it's some sort of excuse for his kicking then what's it going to be like when he steps up to AFL?
Yep looks reliable in that video but you can see from that video they chopped and chose what disposals to put on the video whereas the other one was more of a full showing of all his disposals.
Hopefully we get to see not only his kicking skills in the NAB but also his blistering pace which we desperately need :thumbsup
All i meant about playing for the big V was he was kicking in from goal with all the best talent available to do so in his place.
With the kicking efficiency, I agree that it can sometimes not really indicate how good or bad a player is. And as you said if you kick it long to a contest it's considered effective. That's just how it's done, I don't mind if a kick to a contest is called effective, it's creates a 50/50 contest and that not a lose. There isn't always a free player to kick to so why should a kick to a contest be called not effective.
For me it's more about what sort of pressure a player is under when he does kick the footy but there is no stat for that. I think people hear something or see a couple of bad kicks from a player and then label them bad kicks for their careers. Alex Rance is a good example, he is a very reliable kick, not to say he doesn't mess one up occasionally but he better than people give him credit for.
Anyway just my take. I really hope some of these kids like George get a go because we desparately need their pace and their attack on the game. Kids like George, break lines and give your forwards a better than even chance. :cheers
The best one is Cotch where he will play a game with an opposition player with two hands in his shorts and his kicks are under intense pressure as he is being tackled practically before he has the ball.
Then some boof head will read the stats and either forgets the game or never watched it and start poofing on how Cotch is a bad kick
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All you have to do is bomb it long and it's counted as effective so I'm sorry but I just don't believe in the kicking efficiency stat otherwise I'd have to believe Matt Dea (83.1%) or Rance (79.8%) is a better kick than Brandon Ellis (73.4% with his 'overinflated' stats) or Martin (67%) or Deledio (71.8%). Well actually I read somewhere that one of his coaches or one of the AFL talent guys didn't really rate his kicking or decision making and if I could dig it up I would but I can't remember where I read it. Not sure of your point regarding the big V comment because if it's some sort of excuse for his kicking then what's it going to be like when he steps up to AFL?
Yep looks reliable in that video but you can see from that video they chopped and chose what disposals to put on the video whereas the other one was more of a full showing of all his disposals.
Hopefully we get to see not only his kicking skills in the NAB but also his blistering pace which we desperately need :thumbsup
All i meant about playing for the big V was he was kicking in from goal with all the best talent available to do so in his place.
With the kicking efficiency, I agree that it can sometimes not really indicate how good or bad a player is. And as you said if you kick it long to a contest it's considered effective. That's just how it's done, I don't mind if a kick to a contest is called effective, it's creates a 50/50 contest and that not a lose. There isn't always a free player to kick to so why should a kick to a contest be called not effective.
For me it's more about what sort of pressure a player is under when he does kick the footy but there is no stat for that. I think people hear something or see a couple of bad kicks from a player and then label them bad kicks for their careers. Alex Rance is a good example, he is a very reliable kick, not to say he doesn't mess one up occasionally but he better than people give him credit for.
Anyway just my take. I really hope some of these kids like George get a go because we desparately need their pace and their attack on the game. Kids like George, break lines and give your forwards a better than even chance. :cheers
The best one is Cotch where he will play a game with an opposition player with two hands in his shorts and his kicks are under intense pressure as he is being tackled practically before he has the ball.
Then some boof head will read the stats and either forgets the game or never watched it and start sissying on how Cotch is a bad kick
Perfect example. :thumbsup
Also players like Dusty who when he has the footy is wiling to back himself to make a kick that only the top kicks in the AFL can make. Some don't come off and his kicking efficiency suffers but I'll take that risk with him all day long. He can win you games of footy with his kicking.
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All you have to do is bomb it long and it's counted as effective so I'm sorry but I just don't believe in the kicking efficiency stat otherwise I'd have to believe Matt Dea (83.1%) or Rance (79.8%) is a better kick than Brandon Ellis (73.4% with his 'overinflated' stats) or Martin (67%) or Deledio (71.8%). Well actually I read somewhere that one of his coaches or one of the AFL talent guys didn't really rate his kicking or decision making and if I could dig it up I would but I can't remember where I read it. Not sure of your point regarding the big V comment because if it's some sort of excuse for his kicking then what's it going to be like when he steps up to AFL?
Yep looks reliable in that video but you can see from that video they chopped and chose what disposals to put on the video whereas the other one was more of a full showing of all his disposals.
Hopefully we get to see not only his kicking skills in the NAB but also his blistering pace which we desperately need :thumbsup
All i meant about playing for the big V was he was kicking in from goal with all the best talent available to do so in his place.
With the kicking efficiency, I agree that it can sometimes not really indicate how good or bad a player is. And as you said if you kick it long to a contest it's considered effective. That's just how it's done, I don't mind if a kick to a contest is called effective, it's creates a 50/50 contest and that not a lose. There isn't always a free player to kick to so why should a kick to a contest be called not effective.
For me it's more about what sort of pressure a player is under when he does kick the footy but there is no stat for that. I think people hear something or see a couple of bad kicks from a player and then label them bad kicks for their careers. Alex Rance is a good example, he is a very reliable kick, not to say he doesn't mess one up occasionally but he better than people give him credit for.
Anyway just my take. I really hope some of these kids like George get a go because we desparately need their pace and their attack on the game. Kids like George, break lines and give your forwards a better than even chance. :cheers
Oh okay I obviously took it a different way, can't really argue with that.
The only problem with 50/50 long kicks is it does skew the kicking in the favour of the guy who does run and carry and bang long by giving a stat saying his kicking is good whereas really it might not be. I agree with Rance getting a raw deal, most of the time he is a reliable kick except for his occasional blunder but going by those stats he is 'better' than Martin who is a much better kick but often takes the agressive kick that's hard to pin point.
:cheers Yep definitely deserves a crack and could be a decent player especially if (IMO) he cleans up his kicking
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Morris interview on East Gippsland radio 3GG:
AUDIO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2015-02-11/morris-preseason-update
* The shoulder is all sorted now. I’m back into full contact training and the shoulder’s coping really, really well. So, onwards and upwards from here.
* It was frustrating because I couldn’t do what I wanted to be able to do. I wasn’t able to train like I would like to train. I had to sit out of sessions at training and it was frustrating watching the other boys go about their weekly routine, especially when we were struggling in the first half of the season. Also not being able to play to a standard that you’d like to be able to play to. But you’ve got to look past that and now I’ve had the surgery, I’ve been able to do pretty much every session for the past month fully. Hopefully that holds me in good stead for the season to come.
* It’s a massive honor to be [included in the leadership group] alongside Trent, Ivan and Brett as our captain and vice-captains/ From my point of view, to be able to sit alongside them and just learn from them, first and foremost, learn from their experiences and what they can pass on to myself, it’s a great experience for me. It’s certainly something that I’m very proud of.
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-02-11/morris-in-good-shape
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All you have to do is bomb it long and it's counted as effective so I'm sorry but I just don't believe in the kicking efficiency stat otherwise I'd have to believe Matt Dea (83.1%) or Rance (79.8%) is a better kick than Brandon Ellis (73.4% with his 'overinflated' stats) or Martin (67%) or Deledio (71.8%). Well actually I read somewhere that one of his coaches or one of the AFL talent guys didn't really rate his kicking or decision making and if I could dig it up I would but I can't remember where I read it. Not sure of your point regarding the big V comment because if it's some sort of excuse for his kicking then what's it going to be like when he steps up to AFL?
Yep looks reliable in that video but you can see from that video they chopped and chose what disposals to put on the video whereas the other one was more of a full showing of all his disposals.
Hopefully we get to see not only his kicking skills in the NAB but also his blistering pace which we desperately need :thumbsup
All i meant about playing for the big V was he was kicking in from goal with all the best talent available to do so in his place.
With the kicking efficiency, I agree that it can sometimes not really indicate how good or bad a player is. And as you said if you kick it long to a contest it's considered effective. That's just how it's done, I don't mind if a kick to a contest is called effective, it's creates a 50/50 contest and that not a lose. There isn't always a free player to kick to so why should a kick to a contest be called not effective.
For me it's more about what sort of pressure a player is under when he does kick the footy but there is no stat for that. I think people hear something or see a couple of bad kicks from a player and then label them bad kicks for their careers. Alex Rance is a good example, he is a very reliable kick, not to say he doesn't mess one up occasionally but he better than people give him credit for.
Anyway just my take. I really hope some of these kids like George get a go because we desparately need their pace and their attack on the game. Kids like George, break lines and give your forwards a better than even chance. :cheers
The best one is Cotch where he will play a game with an opposition player with two hands in his shorts and his kicks are under intense pressure as he is being tackled practically before he has the ball.
Then some boof head will read the stats and either forgets the game or never watched it and start sissying on how Cotch is a bad kick
Yeah but it's like totally fair because awesome matchwinners like Edwards, Grigg, Houli, Jackson, Newman, Vickery, Hamspud, Conca, Chaplin, Batchelor, Petterd & Morris cop all the criticism while "Captain Clanger" gets of scott free don't ya know?
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Can we take a moment to discuss what is going on with this blokes hair? Worst hair cut I've ever seen
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Yep.
Needs to shave it off.
In fact if I was coach I'd tell every player to shave their head or they wouldn't get a game. Serious!
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All you have to do is bomb it long and it's counted as effective so I'm sorry but I just don't believe in the kicking efficiency stat otherwise I'd have to believe Matt Dea (83.1%) or Rance (79.8%) is a better kick than Brandon Ellis (73.4% with his 'overinflated' stats) or Martin (67%) or Deledio (71.8%). Well actually I read somewhere that one of his coaches or one of the AFL talent guys didn't really rate his kicking or decision making and if I could dig it up I would but I can't remember where I read it. Not sure of your point regarding the big V comment because if it's some sort of excuse for his kicking then what's it going to be like when he steps up to AFL?
Yep looks reliable in that video but you can see from that video they chopped and chose what disposals to put on the video whereas the other one was more of a full showing of all his disposals.
Hopefully we get to see not only his kicking skills in the NAB but also his blistering pace which we desperately need :thumbsup
All i meant about playing for the big V was he was kicking in from goal with all the best talent available to do so in his place.
With the kicking efficiency, I agree that it can sometimes not really indicate how good or bad a player is. And as you said if you kick it long to a contest it's considered effective. That's just how it's done, I don't mind if a kick to a contest is called effective, it's creates a 50/50 contest and that not a lose. There isn't always a free player to kick to so why should a kick to a contest be called not effective.
For me it's more about what sort of pressure a player is under when he does kick the footy but there is no stat for that. I think people hear something or see a couple of bad kicks from a player and then label them bad kicks for their careers. Alex Rance is a good example, he is a very reliable kick, not to say he doesn't mess one up occasionally but he better than people give him credit for.
Anyway just my take. I really hope some of these kids like George get a go because we desparately need their pace and their attack on the game. Kids like George, break lines and give your forwards a better than even chance. :cheers
The best one is Cotch where he will play a game with an opposition player with two hands in his shorts and his kicks are under intense pressure as he is being tackled practically before he has the ball.
Then some boof head will read the stats and either forgets the game or never watched it and start sissying on how Cotch is a bad kick
Yeah but it's like totally fair because awesome matchwinners like Edwards, Grigg, Houli, Jackson, Newman, Vickery, Hamspud, Conca, Chaplin, Batchelor, Petterd & Morris cop all the criticism while "Captain Clanger" gets of scott free don't ya know?
If the club had any foresight, they'd place manned, independent cameras on guys like Cotchin
and make a big fuss AFTER the visual evidence had been compiled.
God forbid they think out of the box.
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Can we take a moment to discuss what is going on with this blokes hair? Worst hair cut I've ever seen
Shocker
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what is this now, woman's day? We care about blokes hair cuts?
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what is this now, woman's day? We care about blokes hair cuts?
Yep sorry...so just to throw it out there......
I'll be interested to see if the new look MRP has a look at Morris' involvement in the incident in the final qtr that resulted in the Bulldog player being stretchered off.
I remarked at the time to Jackstar who was sitting behind me that I thought he was in massive strife because he didn't have eyes for the ball.
At the time I didn't realise that the Bulldog player copped from his teammate first but he did cop Morris' shoulder. Have since watched the replay and acknowledge the impact the other Bulldog player had in the collision but I am still curious to see whether they look at it none the less
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ach hope not, I thought the bulldog player pushed him through and on the slow mo it looked like a legit connection nothing head high from Morris was mostly laid on his player for tipping him over.
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ach hope not, I thought the bulldog player pushed him through and on the slow mo it looked like a legit connection nothing head high from Morris was mostly laid on his player for tipping him over.
MRP are just waiting to see if Slobbo has anything to say about it first...
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what is this now, woman's day? We care about blokes hair cuts?
Yep sorry...so just to throw it out there......
I'll be interested to see if the new look MRP has a look at Morris' involvement in the incident in the final qtr that resulted in the Bulldog player being stretchered off.
I remarked at the time to Jackstar who was sitting behind me that I thought he was in massive strife because he didn't have eyes for the ball.
At the time I didn't realise that the Bulldog player copped from his teammate first but he did cop Morris' shoulder. Have since watched the replay and acknowledge the impact the other Bulldog player had in the collision but I am still curious to see whether they look at it none the less
I made a similar comment about Morris maybe being in trouble since you never know what the MRP is going to do. Similar to Viney though since Morris had to chance to avoid him and just braced himself.
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Can we get back to the pressing issue of his hair pls.
I don't want to get precious on this, but i just don't think it was a captains haircut. Or maybe just too much flyaway and needed some product
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Yep.
Needs to shave it off.
In fact if I was coach I'd tell every player to shave their head or they wouldn't get a game. Serious!
That's a little extreme, no? It's not like we are running a cult
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Can we get back to the pressing issue of his hair pls.
I don't want to get precious on this, but i just don't think it was a captains haircut. Or maybe just too much flyaway and needed some product
author=Andyy link=topic=13961.msg481814#msg481814 date=1425183880]
Yep.
Needs to shave it off.
In fact if I was coach I'd tell every player to shave their head or they wouldn't get a game. Serious!
That's a little extreme, no? It's not like we are running a cult
Thanks for keeping things on topic Dooks, I know you don't get a lot of credit for it but I would just like to acknowledge it here
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K thnx :gotigers
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yeah where were we, oh yeah...wtf are you like Ida Buttrose bitching bout hair and stuff?
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The incident involving Morris was looked at but he's in the clear :thumbsup.
Other incidents assessed:
Contact between Richmond’s Steven Morris and the Western Bulldogs’ Josh Prudden from the fourth quarter of Saturday’s NAB Challenge match at the Whitten Oval was assessed. The panel said that Prudden was running towards a loose ball in the middle of the ground with his team mate Koby Stevens coming from the side and Morris coming from the opposite direction. Prudden had attempted to take possession of the ball when he made head contact with his team mate Stevens as they met the ball. The Bulldogs’ player was then bumped almost simultaneously by Morris. It was the view of the panel that any high contact by player Morris on player Prudden was caused by circumstances outside the control of the Richmond player, which he could not have reasonably foreseen, after initial contact between the two Bulldogs’ players. No further action was taken.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-02/mrp-full-statement-nab-challenge-week-one
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Thought they'd look at it, they had too.
Good to see common sense prevail
Reckon Morris owes Koby Stevens a beer ;D
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:clapping Let's hope the common sense shown in this scenario is indicative of the way the new MRP will work and not just the first of many contradictions
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hope so..
Daniel Harford comes across as a very measured individual, talked a lot of sense in the past when it comes to these incidents, hopefully his common sense approach catches on at the MRP
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Can we get back to the pressing issue of his hair pls.
I don't want to get precious on this, but i just don't think it was a captains haircut. Or maybe just too much flyaway and needed some product
author=Andyy link=topic=13961.msg481814#msg481814 date=1425183880]
Yep.
Needs to shave it off.
In fact if I was coach I'd tell every player to shave their head or they wouldn't get a game. Serious!
That's a little extreme, no? It's not like we are running a cult
It looks like he took a photo of a young Abe Simpson into the hairdresser
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Yep.
Needs to shave it off.
In fact if I was coach I'd tell every player to shave their head or they wouldn't get a game. Serious!
(https://comeyoumastersofwar.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/mattingly.png)
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Gold :clapping
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That's what Robbie Gray looks like. Seriously.
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so whats going on with recruiting and development then. here we are playing morris as a fwd because we dont have fwds who can defend or kick a goal.it smacks of desperation and makes the decision not to go after garlett even more perplexing.
lets see sam lloyd if he cant defend pee him off, edwards another, gordon well he has the pace why arent we specifically trying him in the role is he not good enough .. lennon another flanker slow as can we afford to play him in his natural role, mcdonough is another, then theres butler why not try him in the role or short for that matter. nope instead we take the only sml/med defender we have had in yrs who can do a reasonable job on sml fwds.why are we robbing peter to pay paul has recruiting been that bad that we cant even try others in the role. why are we not keen to try others.
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so whats going on with recruiting and development then. here we are playing morris as a fwd because we dont have fwds who can defend or kick a goal.it smacks of desperation and makes the decision not to go after garlett even more perplexing.
lets see sam lloyd if he cant defend pee him off, edwards another, gordon well he has the pace why arent we specifically trying him in the role is he not good enough .. lennon another flanker slow as can we afford to play him in his natural role, mcdonough is another, then theres butler why not try him in the role or short for that matter. nope instead we take the only sml/med defender we have had in yrs who can do a reasonable job on sml fwds.why are we robbing peter to pay paul has recruiting been that bad that we cant even try others in the role. why are we not keen to try others.
Excellent point claw.
Mind you if he becomes a star small forward I'll come back to your post and tell you you were wrong! ;D ;D
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If we peed off all the players who couldn't defend and then adds the one who couldn't kick a goal we would need more top ups than the druggies
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If we peed off all the players who couldn't defend and then adds the one who couldn't kick a goal we would need more top ups than the druggies
And add all the softie, lolly pop, pansie, poo munching, woolly woofters we'd be a start up like gws
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If we peed off all the players who couldn't defend and then adds the one who couldn't kick a goal we would need more top ups than the druggies
And add all the softie, lolly pop, pansie, poo munching, woolly woofters we'd be a start up like gws
Plus the ones over 200cm, they need to go as well
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Maybe Morris just needs a haircut. It was pretty bad and not a great image for a captain.
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Maybe Morris just needs a haircut. It was pretty bad and not a great image for a captain.
Good point I think this needs to be discussed and then taken directly to Gale
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Another ordinary performance.
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so whats going on with recruiting and development then. here we are playing morris as a fwd because we dont have fwds who can defend or kick a goal.it smacks of desperation and makes the decision not to go after garlett even more perplexing.
lets see sam lloyd if he cant defend pee him off, edwards another, gordon well he has the pace why arent we specifically trying him in the role is he not good enough .. lennon another flanker slow as can we afford to play him in his natural role, mcdonough is another, then theres butler why not try him in the role or short for that matter. nope instead we take the only sml/med defender we have had in yrs who can do a reasonable job on sml fwds.why are we robbing peter to pay paul has recruiting been that bad that we cant even try others in the role. why are we not keen to try others.
We don't need to recruit BECAUSE dimmer reckons we've got it right.
Chicken Wing's arm will just fall off during a game one day.
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His defensive pressure in the F50 is. Dry very good and I understand that is his role but sometimes (and I've said this in the past) he actually needs to go the ball rather than the man.
Not sold that just laying tackles and bumping is all a small defensive forward needs to do
And BTW just on that haircut .... Really hard to take anyone seriously with that :chuck ;D
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Hah.
I still haven't seen the haircut.
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That haircut is ridiculous.
Seriously....
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Think his Mum is cutting his hair lol
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We're all having a crack at his do but let's not allow Dusty off the hook - that's every bit the shocker Morris's is!! :o
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Besides his hair, how does everyone rate Steve atm, for mine, I love his toughness, I love his endeavour, is he over his shoulder issues? and are his ball skills up to par? is there a spot for him in our strongest 22, ?
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More than happy to play against Carlton and sit on Yarran
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More than happy to play against Carlton and sit on Yarran
He will have to sit on him cos he won't out run him
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We're all having a crack at his do but let's not allow Dusty off the hook - that's every bit the shocker Morris's is!! :o
Martin > Batch > daylight > Morris :chuck :chuck :chuck
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The only hairstyle I hate is -"The Rope-head"
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Besides his hair, how does everyone rate Steve atm, for mine, I love his toughness, I love his endeavour, is he over his shoulder issues? and are his ball skills up to par? is there a spot for him in our strongest 22, ?
What about his hair though?
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If he can shut down a good rebounding player like Yarran every week then I'm happy.
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1 kick against a bunch of kids.
Not good enough!!!
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Played an incredibly crucial role in 2013 to devastating effect, basically taking every small forward out of the game.
Bad year in 2014, shoulder stuffed.
How about we all give this bloke a proper chance. It's pre-season, he's probably building form, and at least we know he can do the job when he's fit and in form. Most players have at least one bad season...
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Played an incredibly crucial role in 2013 to devastating effect, basically taking every small forward out of the game.
Bad year in 2014, shoulder stuffed.
How about we all give this bloke a proper chance. It's pre-season, he's probably building form, and at least we know he can do the job when he's fit and in form. Most players have at least one bad season...
Not at the RFC they don't , some make a career of it
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Some make a career out of accepting mediocre players.
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Had some poor moments last year but still thought he was pretty reasonable on the whole.
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Some make a career out of accepting mediocre players.
and that's where we come into the fray
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Some make a career out of accepting mediocre players.
Do I need a degree for this?
I like the sound of it.
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Morris up forward us not working!
We have too many vfl fringe dwellers and not enough out & out AFL stars.
We need a small forward so we think we can replace what we had King (vfl fringe dweller) with another second tier battler from the backline, Morris. Can we ever get a genuine small forward crumber ie. Betts or Thomas????
Lloyd is just another second string battler too granted he knows where the goals are but hes not the crumbing forward hope surely?
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Agree Tigeritis. Nothing again today to show the experiment of Morris playing Kingy's role up forward will work. Doesn't do enough nor has anywhere near the required class around goal attacking wise, and defensively still failed to apply enough pressure (he had plenty of mates) to help prevent North easily rebounding out of our forward line into attack for goals.
Morris will probably still play round 1 as a heavy tagger on Yarran but after that it's either back to a back-pocket or unfortunately out of the side.
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Again, Butler a better option up forward than Morris.
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Morris primary aim up forward is to lock down down a half back and pressure the defenders. he does a better job at pressuring the defenders than any other forward, but from what i saw was constantly running from loose player to loose player today, which is not an indictment on him. It may be a case that his best ( only) spot is as to lock down small forwards, but i'd give him time in the new role. if a few others had his intensity and willingness to compete we'd be a better side
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Agree Morris as the small defensive forward isn't working but as I said to someone today he will play every single this season unless his head falls off
He is IMHO Dimma's number one favourite so his place is guaranteed (prepared for the whacks ;D)
I will put my hand up and say he frustrates the hell out of me. Goes to ground too often and still cannot make the right choice as to when to go the bump or go the ball.
Thought he was poor today
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if a few others had his intensity and willingness to compete we'd be a better side
Sure but that's what we said of many duds in the past.
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Why didnt we get a genuine small forward like Garlett when we had the chance.
Stupid money grabbing wankers know how to waste a second round pick on the biggest dud in AFL history continuing to enjoying being the perennial laughing stock of the competition.
So who is our crumber???
And who is our backup ruck???
North have no problem ansering these questions but we have been asking them since Plapp. :banghead
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Newman and Hampson
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if a few others had his intensity and willingness to compete we'd be a better side
Sure but that's what we said of many duds in the past.
Ill take a limited ability player who gives his all over an under performing, talented player who just waltzes along, every day of the week.
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Why didnt we get a genuine small forward like Garlett when we had the chance.
Stupid money grabbing wankers know how to waste a second round pick on the biggest dud in AFL history continuing to enjoying being the perennial laughing stock of the competition.
So who is our crumber???
And who is our backup ruck???
North have no problem ansering these questions but we have been asking them since Plapp. :banghead
To be known as the 'Plapp Conundrum' from this day on
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Thought he showed progress. Still behind the 8-ball but he's learning a new position and if Dimma's going to persevere with the experiment at least Morris is giving it a crack and improving
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We do have another bloke on the list who actually perormed this role quite well at Melbourne and can also kick goals.
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Another overrated player like Batch. Should not be in the leadership group and is borderline AFL/VFL.
"Hard Nut" doesn't really cut it these days, he needs to show more than that...
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Im all for Morris playing as a defensive fwd when he has to shutdown the likes of a Yarran or Heath Shaw type, but other than that, keep him back, still our best small shutdown defender by a mile
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Think someone else has said it but we have always needed to upgrade King to get a better performing small forward who can kick goals but all Hardwick wants is someone to play that mediocre role? We shouldn't need a forward in there specifically to apply pressure at the cost of attacking power, we should have a good attacking small who also provides plenty defensively.
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I think 99% agree with you Yeahright.
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I think 99% agree with you Yeahright.
Yep think most have made it clear but if we can all see it why can't Hardwick?
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Think someone else has said it but we have always needed to upgrade King to get a better performing small forward who can kick goals but all Hardwick wants is someone to play that mediocre role? We shouldn't need a forward in there specifically to apply pressure at the cost of attacking power, we should have a good attacking small who also provides plenty defensively.
FURTHER EVIDENCE he has it completely wrong.
Not sure if he realises which team he actually coaches.
Regardless of a finals berth this year, we hardly have the makings of a dynasty.
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That is where you are so wrong, :shh
Cotchin
Martin
Delids
Rance
Jack
Maric
Ellis
Need I go on, :sleep
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That is where you are so wrong, :shh
Cotchin
Martin
Delids
Rance
Jack
Maric
Ellis
Need I go on, :sleep
Could say the same of 17 other teams.
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That is where you are so wrong, :shh
Cotchin
Martin
Delids
Rance
Jack
Maric
Ellis
Need I go on, :sleep
Could say the same of 17 other teams.
Except they wouldn't include a 30 year old with a bad groin
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That is where you are so wrong, :shh
Cotchin
Martin
Delids
Rance
Jack
Maric
Ellis
Need I go on, :sleep
Could say the same of 17 other teams.
Except they wouldn't include a 30 year old with a bad groin
And an out of contract fool
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That is where you are so wrong, :shh
Cotchin
Martin
Delids
Rance
Jack
Maric
Ellis
Need I go on, :sleep
Could say the same of 17 other teams.
Except they wouldn't include a 30 year old with a bad groin
And an out of contract fool
And a guy who plays AFL but can't mark
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Actually if we are going to be honest with ourselves, where were any of those so called gun players when it counted. Like when Port and Carlton were rolling over the top of us in the last two finals? Any?
And where were the fit ones when we were soiling ourselves in the Hafey tribute game? Any?
What will this dynasty be built on? Good intentions?
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Think someone else has said it but we have always needed to upgrade King to get a better performing small forward who can kick goals but all Hardwick wants is someone to play that mediocre role? We shouldn't need a forward in there specifically to apply pressure at the cost of attacking power, we should have a good attacking small who also provides plenty defensively.
:clapping
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That is where you are so wrong, :shh
Cotchin
Martin
Delids
Rance
Jack
Maric
Ellis
Need I go on, :sleep
Could say the same of 17 other teams.
Really I thought they all played for richmond :lol
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:facepalm
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That is where you are so wrong, :shh
Cotchin
Martin
Delids
Rance
Jack
Maric
Ellis
Need I go on, :sleep
Could say the same of 17 other teams.
Really I thought they all played for richmond :lol
True, although sometimes one wonders
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:facepalm
Lighten up for Pete's sake, ask not what the RFC can do for you, what can you do for the RFC :clapping
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:lol
Onya Bojo.
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Yarran will leave Morris in his wake.
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Yarran will leave Morris in his wake.
:yep :yep :yep
Morris will also give him a few goals through frees too, if he gets close enough to him.
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depends how he plays him and if he can get in yarran's head early. Out in the open, Yarran will cut him up, but its not hard to shut Yarran down, niggle him and get into him physically and he shuts up shop
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But Morris is our new Michael Roach?
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hmm yeah there is that.. we have a problem houston
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Yarran will leave Morris in his wake.
Morris won't even go to him :shh
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Yarran will leave Morris in his wake.
Morris won't even go to him :shh
Who :shh will :shh he :shh go :shh to :shh
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Hunt is a chance, :shh
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Yarran will leave Morris in his wake.
Morris won't even go to him :shh
Who :shh will :shh he :shh go :shh to :shh
He won't go to anyone.
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Morris's first contest and he shirked it.
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Well done Morris, another free and they are down the other end having a shot
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Get him out of the stuffing forward line ffs, he doesn't have a clue. He is playing like a backman in the forward line.... :banghead
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This bloke is poo
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Why the stuff can't Morris play the ball :banghead
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He is a stuff up personified
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Just thought I'd break the chain.
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Needs to be trained in how to apply pressure without giving away free kicks, probably cost us 3 goals. Reckon Butler would have been no worse being thrown in the mix.
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Just thought I'd break the chain.
That chain was every stuff up in a row mate, you go figure.
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I still don't know wtf he is doing in the forward line.
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Needs to be trained in how to apply pressure without giving away free kicks, probably cost us 3 goals. Reckon Butler would have been no worse being thrown in the mix.
i thought he was hard done by the umps, saying that he clearly is a role player and that role is clearly as a shut down player on sml fwds.
yes damien tried something new but is damien now big enough to admit it hasnt worked. we will see eh.
one thing for sure morris needs the play in front of him. he clearly doesnt have the smarts skillset or awareness to play elsewhere.
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I still don't know wtf he is doing in the forward line.
Same as he was in the back line.
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I still don't know wtf he is doing in the forward line.
one less bad kick in defense
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This guy will cost us the close games, he is destructive.
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i thought he was hard done by the umps, saying that he clearly is a role player and that role is clearly as a shut down player on sml fwds.
Dead set hard done by Claw, was a couple of atrocious calls by one maggot in particular in front of us.
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I reckon he copped a lot of stiff calls from the umpires. I reckon he applied the same amount of pressure last year down back and wouldn't have had the free kick called against him, but they went straight to the whistle every time last night. Apparently you can't apply the same sort of pressure on both sides of the field? Either way he needs to tidy up his efforts and become a little smarter in how he applies pressure, if he can do that then he'll be handy up forward.
I think had he given away 4-5 less free kicks (may have been possible with a different umpire), we'd be saying he had a very serviceable game.
FWIW, I didn't like/rate the Jake King role when we had Kingy playing it, but if the are gonna persist so be it.
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I'm going to against the grain on this one.
Morris's stats on the night weren't great but as a small forward I don't think they are expecting bags of goals from him. His role appears to be creating maximum defensive pressure in our fwd line when the ball is in dispute. The opposition players crap their dacks when he starts getting chains of tackles. I wouldn't mind guessing his pressure acts and tackle count were through the roof, and his work resulted in many a goal to other players.
I agree he also got hammered by the umps - there were a couple of appauling decisions in particular I thought should have been holding the ball (and a set shot in front of goal) but they paid the free to Carlton instead. He should have had a couple of goals to his name as a result of this.
Well done Morro :gotigers
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:clapping agree dooks
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Thought his pressure and presence was okay with limited stats. Just needs to curb his desire of diving in head first all the time. Can be clumsy and thus ease pressure on opposition backs that way. Needs to tinker with that to really be a handy asset up forward.
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I'm going to against the grain on this one.
Morris's stats on the night weren't great but as a small forward I don't think they are expecting bags of goals from him. His role appears to be creating maximum defensive pressure in our fwd line when the ball is in dispute. The opposition players crap their dacks when he starts getting chains of tackles. I wouldn't mind guessing his pressure acts and tackle count were through the roof, and his work resulted in many a goal to other players.
I agree he also got hammered by the umps - there were a couple of appauling decisions in particular I thought should have been holding the ball (and a set shot in front of goal) but they paid the free to Carlton instead. He should have had a couple of goals to his name as a result of this.
Well done Morro :gotigers
good post l agree. l thought when he went in for the ball & got pinged it was harsh from the umps. players must be allowed to attack the ball. l feel this has also affected Cotchins game since that rule come in. Morris played well last night
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Best 3 possession game I have seen in a long time
He chased and pressured all night and create opportunities for others
Very good game for the team
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:facepalm
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bout the same as King really
King wasnt much chop
in there for grunt
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:facepalm
Based on????????
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:facepalm
Based on????????
He was pathetic, clumsy, player focused, gave away free kicks (5) that had them kicking the OUT of our forward line....that's enough!!!
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I think we need to persevere with Morris in his new role ....won't happen over night.
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Best 3 possession game I have seen in a long time
He chased and pressured all night and create opportunities for others
Very good game for the team
x2
Needs more time playing this position and role.
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:facepalm
Based on????????
He was pathetic, clumsy, player focused, gave away free kicks (5) that had them kicking the OUT of our forward line....that's enough!!!
Incorrect apart from the frees
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Surely he would understand that chasing and harassing is one thing but giving away needless free kicks (5 out of 20 conceded by the team) is another. May as well had a pitbull terrier in the forward 50, he showed absolutely no finesse whatsoever. I would be surprised if this is not addressed for the next game when Hardwick reviews the game. If not then its only a matter of time before it costs us a game. Cant question his effort and endeavour but he simply needs to channel his enthusiasm in a way that complements our forward line not detracts from it. Kingy had a similar role but he actually appeared to at least try and attack the ball and do as a forward should and score goals. Morris seemed more intent on throwing his body around rather than looking at a way of getting possession of the ball and scoring.
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lol he was horrid. should be dropped based on both preseason and that game.how the hell anyone can accept that sort of performance from a player is mind boggling.
ffs give a kid like butler a go in the role. he at least has footy smarts has pace lays a tackle and knows where the goals are. cant possibly do worse than that performance depite morris being harshly dealt by the umps.
when are we ever going to expect 35 -45 goals a yr from our smaller fwds.and while they kick their fair share of goals chase tackle and apply pressure its all part of the one job the last time i looked. just by kicking a few goals you make defenders accountable.
theres room for only so many limited role players better to look for well rounded players.
geez unbelievable what a win papers over with some.
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Claw and Lozza take a :bow...... :clapping
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Nope lads. Do not take a bow
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lol he was horrid. should be dropped based on both preseason and that game.how the hell anyone can accept that sort of performance from a player is mind boggling.
ffs give a kid like butler a go in the role. he at least has footy smarts has pace lays a tackle and knows where the goals are. cant possibly do worse than that performance depite morris being harshly dealt by the umps.
when are we ever going to expect 35 -45 goals a yr from our smaller fwds.and while they kick their fair share of goals chase tackle and apply pressure its all part of the one job the last time i looked. just by kicking a few goals you make defenders accountable.
theres room for only so many limited role players better to look for well rounded players.
geez unbelievable what a win papers over with some.
Try playing back pocket and having Morris tag you
wouldnt be the most easy of nights
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By the end of the game last night every carlton defender was expecting to be polaxed every time they got near the ball..having the opposition backline in panic mode opens up the game for other players...Morro did the job he was asked to do to perfection last night
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King was better up forward.
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So after just one game up forward you are prepared to say morro will never be as good as kingy?
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lol he was horrid. should be dropped based on both preseason and that game.how the hell anyone can accept that sort of performance from a player is mind boggling.
ffs give a kid like butler a go in the role. he at least has footy smarts has pace lays a tackle and knows where the goals are. cant possibly do worse than that performance depite morris being harshly dealt by the umps.
when are we ever going to expect 35 -45 goals a yr from our smaller fwds.and while they kick their fair share of goals chase tackle and apply pressure its all part of the one job the last time i looked. just by kicking a few goals you make defenders accountable.
theres room for only so many limited role players better to look for well rounded players.
geez unbelievable what a win papers over with some.
Try playing back pocket and having Morris tag you
wouldnt be the most easy of nights
Z, I am liking your posts. However, you have no place on here. You are meant to bag your own on this site, not stick up for them. You are also supposed to pretend that somehow, with limited footballing and physical ability that you can do better than athletes in their prime.
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Nope lads. Do not take a bow
too late i already have.
cmon dooks all i ask is our fwds do the basics. a basic for a fwd is kick goals. a basic in todays gameis chase and apply pressure. a basic is to lay tackles. 3 simple basics it isnt asking a lot.
if we are playing sml/med fwds to soley defend then i can categorically say the rest of the fwds are not doing their job and they need to fix it. its incumbent on all fwds to chase tackle harass and importantly kick goals.
you want a model to aim at look no further than hawthorn, rioli puopolo and bruest. not one good well rounded sml/med fwd but 3, :o who kick goals lots of em, have pace, chase and harass, they freakin tackle,close to 100 a yr each and they have footy smarts and set each other up as fwd you need em, and did i say kick goals.
the club like the supporters have the bar way too low.
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By the end of the game last night every carlton defender was expecting to be polaxed every time they got near the ball..having the opposition backline in panic mode opens up the game for other players...Morro did the job he was asked to do to perfection last night
This.
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you know what claw I think you are way off the mark if you think many of us here set the bar too low.All people here are passionate and would sell their souls if it meant a tiger premiership.Just because they don't read from the same book as you doesn't mean they have set the bar too low,in fact it might just mean the opposite..whether you know it or not you don't have a mortgage on the cure required
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By the end of the game last night every carlton defender was expecting to be polaxed every time they got near the ball..having the opposition backline in panic mode opens up the game for other players...Morro did the job he was asked to do to perfection last night
This.
Well that's good then.
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you know what claw I think you are way off the mark if you think many of us here set the bar too low.All people here are passionate and would sell their souls if it meant a tiger premiership.Just because they don't read from the same book as you doesn't mean they have set the bar too low,in fact it might just mean the opposite..whether you know it or not you don't have a mortgage on the cure required
dont believe i said i had a cure all ive done on this thread is say morriss game was lousy, one dimensional, and he doesnt look remotely like a sml fwd. to me if people cant see that then yes they are blind or worse kidding themselves.
it really is pretty clear that morris is not the answer down fwd.hasnt shown one thing to suggest he is. i wont bag em for trying something but its just stupidity to continue with something that is not going to work.
and for all those thinking jake king is the standard he was a bum. talk about accepting mediocrity.
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We have a game plan that has a role for a pure defensive forward. You may not like it, you may not want it. But it is what we have and what we play. In that gameplan we need a player that will sacrifice and do things for the team. Steve Morris does that. He did that very well.
Ignoring a facet that the coaches and match committee have deemed an appropriate tool/tactic/approach for us is like that annoying stuffing 3 year old two rows back in the plane that screams the entire flight.
As for the 5 frees against. 2 if not 3 were for holding the ball. Where Steve trapped the ball and slowed a Carlton release. That is a specific gameplan tactic so I would excuse those frees. That changes the ledger a little.
Given that Steve would have had a shot from 15 meters out on a very slight angle, which Sam Lloyd did kick an advantage goal from, by the way from Steve harrassing and forcing a panic turnover, from Chris Yarran in fact, the naysayers let emotion get in the way of actuality.
But hey if we can't criticize the Tiges even when we win where's the fun.
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King was better up forward.
King was pretty average
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to quote Ronald Reagan.....there you go again..saying jake king was a bum just re enforces the belief I have that you probably watch football with blinkers on
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We have a game plan that has a role for a pure defensive forward. You may not like it, you may not want it. But it is what we have and what we play. In that gameplan we need a player that will sacrifice and do things for the team. Steve Morris does that. He did that very well.
In 2015 that's what what our game plan calls for. Call it one dimensional, but a pure defensive forward is not without its benefits. Its not measured on goals, goal assists and possessions, rather on tackles and pressure acts, and opposition turnovers.
It seems others who can't fathom a small forward being anything other than a pure crumbling forward struggle with the whole concept and that's the basis for not seeing Morris be what they expect.
Then again, their probably the same posters who want to see place kicks and the centre diamond back.
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*disclaimer. This photograph is not meant to be disparaging on the grounds of sexual preference
or otherwise. It's sole purpose is to exaggerate Morris's arm in a confronting yet humorous way.
If you feel otherwise, well, just read the disclaimer again.
(http://www.thecultureconcept.com/circle/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Anyone-for-Tea-Aesthetic-Teapot.jpg)
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*disclaimer. This photograph is not meant to be disparaging on the grounds of sexual preference
or otherwise. It's sole purpose is to exaggerate Morris's arm in a confronting yet humorous way.
If you feel otherwise, well, just read the disclaimer again.
:lol
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We have a game plan that has a role for a pure defensive forward. You may not like it, you may not want it. But it is what we have and what we play. In that gameplan we need a player that will sacrifice and do things for the team. Steve Morris does that. He did that very well.
In 2015 that's what what our game plan calls for. Call it one dimensional, but a pure defensive forward is not without its benefits. Its not measured on goals, goal assists and possessions, rather on tackles and pressure acts, and opposition turnovers.
It seems others who can't fathom a small forward being anything other than a pure crumbling forward struggle with the whole concept and that's the basis for not seeing Morris be what they expect.
Then again, their probably the same posters who want to see place kicks and the centre diamond back.
its a worry when people cant see that most other sides expect their sml fwds to DO ALL OF THE FOLLOWING. KICK GOALS, TACKLE, APPLY PRESSURE.
Are you suggesting the likes of rioli puopolo wingard gray lecras garlett betts bruest and i can go on and on ballantyne walters ,are purely crumbing fwds and do nothing else. is it really too much to expect us to have fwds who do all the basics rather than just the odd one.
3 possesions 4 tackles is abysmal. anyone who says otherwise wallows in mediocrity.
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Wont speak for Dooks but that's not what I'm saying.
I'm just watching and analysing what we're doing and how we're playing.
I would have thought that's pretty easy to comprehend. Dooks did.
I think that 3 year old two rows back just started up again.
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Wont speak for Dooks but that's not what I'm saying.
I'm just watching and analysing what we're doing and how we're playing.
I would have thought that's pretty easy to comprehend. Dooks did.
I think that 3 year old two rows back just started up again.
Kickin chairs and flicking Fanta out of his straw over the adults in front. Someone take him for a walk to see the seagulls
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to quote Ronald Reagan.....there you go again..saying jake king was a bum just re enforces the belief I have that you probably watch football with blinkers on
nope wearing blinkers is calling very average players good players. jake king was ordinary and a big part of our problems.
while the likes of king was kicking his 10 goals a yr and laying his 2 tackles agame and running around like a pumped up pimp with little impact other clubs had blokes kicking their 40 goals a yr laying 100 tackles a yr and actually being a part of a fwd unit that did have impact. he was a very ordinary player little wonder our fwd line has never worked with the likes of him there.
the eptimomy of madness is to do the same thing over and over expecting the same results. we repeat the same mistake with morris never learning always struggling up fwd.
yep some of us actually learn from what they have got wrong in the past some others just remain blinkered.
Wont speak for Dooks but that's not what I'm saying.
I'm just watching and analysing what we're doing and how we're playing.
I would have thought that's pretty easy to comprehend. Dooks did.
I think that 3 year old two rows back just started up again.
you can speak for who ever you like i couldnt give a toss. i wasnt actually replying to your post. i usually only reply to posts with some degree of common sense.
anyway please tell what sacrifice did morris make.what tackles did he lay that a goal scoring sml would not be expected to make.what pressure acts did he perform that you would not expect from a regular sml fwd. what turn overs did he force ffs what defender did he take out of the game.
nope excuses are excuses his game was lousy, he had little or no impact both offensively and defensively and it was mistake riddled fiasco that you blkokes defend that is laughable..
you blokes it seems can accept that sort of mediocrity but i certainly wont.
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SNIP :banghead
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Depends how you view his role I think.
Is he there to be a defensive forward who shuts down an attacking defender?
Or is he there to be a forward with an emphasis on chasing/tackling etc?
If it is the former then I think he failed given Yarran was the obvious target and he had plenty of influence.
If it is the latter then I think all forwards should be doing that anyway but even so then he still needs to play a role as a forward to go with that so he failed there as well.
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i reckon theres been enough furore stirred up over my comments on his game. my last comment on this is this.
if people dont think morris deserves criticism after that performance then i really cant invision any circumstance where people will criticise him. his game really was that poor. and that makes it pointless going on with any more debate on the subject.
i leave the last comments on the subject to those very content tiger supporters.
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How did you rate his defensive game? No dribble no ifs no buts just rate his defensive game
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claw when you can actually correctly observe a game and have accurate facts and when you can comprehend English come back and discuss.
I made no judgement on Morris game or effectiveness. Purely an observation on a gameplan item. Do I agree with it ? Not sure, for now I'll hold an open mind. I'll see how it plays out. But if part of the yardstick in measuring Morris output is one to two goals in offensive output then Morris clearly attained that goal. Lloyd clearly kicks an advantage goal earned by Morris pressure and Yarran panicking. That was pretty easy to observe.
ohh and on the accurate facts point you might like to re-visit the Edwards thread and offer the apology that you were demanding of others.
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How did you rate his defensive game? No dribble no ifs no buts just rate his defensive game
Clumsy.
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Melbourne got Jeff Gartlett with pick 61. :facepalm
20 possessions, 3 marks, 5 inside 50's, 12 score involvements, 6 tackles, 2 goals 4
If we got Gartlett maybe we find the small forward we've hoped for.
Atleast we got Hamspud with pick 28. :rollin
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to quote Ronald Reagan.....there you go again..saying jake king was a bum just re enforces the belief I have that you probably watch football with blinkers on
i wasnt bagging king as such
such saying i dont think its impossible morris can get to a similar level
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3 disposals, 5 clangers, 5 free kick against, 1 mark, 1 inside 50, 2 score involvements, 0 goals 0
.......It's not working
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3 disposals, 5 clangers, 5 free kick against, 1 mark, 1 inside 50, 2 score involvements, 0 goals 0
.......It's not working
Agree, it hasn't to date, don't think it will be hey who knows. It didn't work in the NAB either.
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Whilst we debate the merits of having a back pocket battler up forward we watch Hawthorn destroy Geelong with not 1 or 2 but 3 small forwards dominating the forward 50. :banghead
I can hear it already, "But remember how Jake King was a battling defender & succeeded up forward?"
I liked the push-up as much as anyone but if that's how high we're aiming then Morris up forward is already a winner. :rollin
The bar is way too low. If Morris isn't good enough down back don't just find him a spot up forward to give him a run... It's spots for mates just ask Newman.
I still remember somebody said, "If you can't win your own ball you won't be playing in a Richmond jumper!"
.....still ringing in my ears. :whistle
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3 disposals, 5 clangers, 5 free kick against, 1 mark, 1 inside 50, 2 score involvements, 0 goals 0
.......It's not working
Melbourne got Jeff Gartlett with pick 61. :facepalm
20 possessions, 3 marks, 5 inside 50's, 12 score involvements, 6 tackles, 2 goals 4
If we got Gartlett maybe we find the small forward we've hoped for.
Atleast we got Hamspud with pick 28. :rollin
Whilst we debate the merits of having a back pocket battler up forward we watch Hawthorn destroy Geelong with not 1 or 2 but 3 small forwards dominating the forward 50. :banghead
I can hear it already, "But remember how Jake King was a battling defender & succeeded up forward?"
I liked the push-up as much as anyone but if that's how high we're aiming then Morris up forward is already a winner. :rollin
The bar is way too low. If Morris isn't good enough down back don't just find him a spot up forward to give him a run... It's spots for mates just ask Newman.
I still remember somebody said, "If you can't win your own ball you won't be playing in a Richmond jumper!"
.....still ringing in my ears. :whistle
all been said and done and your wasting your time.
according the the defenders of all things mediocre. morris was great and there is absolutely nothing wrong with his game.
.we also dont need to aim at quality smls because we have had jake king and that should have been good enough for anyone, and now we have morris and thats good enough as well. im sure if you ask em they will tell ya they prefer morris to rioli or bruest or puopolo.
compared to us hawthorns set up is nothing to learn from and garlett is a bum who cant hold a candle to our steve morris..
good luck in your dealings with them id advise you stop now and dont waste your time you cant talk to people who are so defensive and so deluded.
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The Morris experiment will end abruptly if the Doggies smash us!
Give Lambert a run as a dangerous small forward and send Morris to the backline.
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maybe rather than listening or reading your own opinions you could listen to some facts and stats.
I get you don't like it. That's a stuffing given, given that you sprout it ad nauseum every stuffing day.
Yes it would be great to have a Garlett or Betts or Rioli. Last time I checked you deleted and added players to your list in October, November and early December. I look at the calendar at its April. We have the list we have.
In the link I provided above Mark "Wilbur" Williams discusses stats about retention, attacks, handball receives, attacks against etc. Data that the club plans by. Interestingly we got a better attack from defence than planned and Carlton were worse. They were below their normal metrics. Given that's what was discussed I'm guessing that's how the club will evaluate this.
Now this is not supporting or decrying the club or the coaching panel. It's not apologizing for the club. It's merely observing. I would have thought that's a pretty simple concept to gain from the above. Simple comprehension of the English language.
With punctuation and all....
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maybe rather than listening or reading your own opinions you could listen to some facts and stats.
I get you don't like it. That's a stuffing given, given that you sprout it ad nauseum every stuffing day.
Yes it would be great to have a Garlett or Betts or Rioli. Last time I checked you deleted and added players to your list in October, November and early December. I look at the calendar at its April. We have the list we have.
In the link I provided above Mark "Wilbur" Williams discusses stats about retention, attacks, handball receives, attacks against etc. Data that the club plans by. Interestingly we got a better attack from defence than planned and Carlton were worse. They were below their normal metrics. Given that's what was discussed I'm guessing that's how the club will evaluate this.
Now this is not supporting or decrying the club or the coaching panel. It's not apologizing for the club. It's merely observing. I would have thought that's a pretty simple concept to gain from the above. Simple comprehension of the English language.
With punctuation and all....
An extremely erudite post HKT :thumbsup
.....But it still reads like an excuse for a bloke that had 3 possessions, 5 frees against & donuts on the score board.
And only 2 tackles inside 50. A terrible game by any standards if your fair-dinkum.
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Nah it's not meant as an excuse. It's observational, not judgemental. I can see the value of an intense tackler in the forward 50. Do I think Steve Morris is the right player. I have doubts.
Would I prefer to have a Garlett type. Without the off-field issues, certainly. But we don't.
Do I agree with this aspect of the gameplan. Yes and no. But I'll see how things pan out. Interesting the debate on this topic on PRE where people at the ground state Morris was more effective than noted in stats/on TV. Williams indicates something similar in the podcast and quotes stats to support that.
He has to score and help construct and at the moment isn't doing that well enough. Though I will credit him with 1 goal even though Sam Lloyd actually kicked it.
But when one negative observer of Steve, in a separate thread, claims that the leading contested possession winner and leading clearance player on the day, despite stating that those 2 KPI's are the most important, had an inconsequential game then I question said poster's observational capability.
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Being at the game, you could actually see blues defenders rush their kicks when Morris was coming at them. His defensive pressure was immense and it won't be reflected in stats.
Having said this, he still needs to get more of the pill and reduce his FAs. But I can see what Dimma is getting at.
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Nah it's not meant as an excuse. It's observational, not judgemental. I can see the value of an intense tackler in the forward 50. Do I think Steve Morris is the right player. I have doubts.
Would I prefer to have a Garlett type. Without the off-field issues, certainly. But we don't.
Do I agree with this aspect of the gameplan. Yes and no. But I'll see how things pan out. Interesting the debate on this topic on PRE where people at the ground state Morris was more effective than noted in stats/on TV. Williams indicates something similar in the podcast and quotes stats to support that.
He has to score and help construct and at the moment isn't doing that well enough. Though I will credit him with 1 goal even though Sam Lloyd actually kicked it.
But when one negative observer of Steve, in a separate thread, claims that the leading contested possession winner and leading clearance player on the day, despite stating that those 2 KPI's are the most important, had an inconsequential game then I question said poster's observational capability.
With you 100% here mate.
Lets see how this one pans out.
Me being at the game live, my thoughts are his pressure was impeccable. His only issue was for mine is that he kept going to ground. If he kept his feet we win by 7 or 8 goals.
His presence was definitely felt.
And for people to criticise him on what they saw on T.V is unfair as I think he had a great positive influence on the game.
:clapping well done to Steve adapting to a role that he isn't used too. Keep up the good pressure and rewards will come.
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maybe rather than listening or reading your own opinions you could listen to some facts and stats.
I get you don't like it. That's a stuffing given, given that you sprout it ad nauseum every stuffing day.
Yes it would be great to have a Garlett or Betts or Rioli. Last time I checked you deleted and added players to your list in October, November and early December. I look at the calendar at its April. We have the list we have.
In the link I provided above Mark "Wilbur" Williams discusses stats about retention, attacks, handball receives, attacks against etc. Data that the club plans by. Interestingly we got a better attack from defence than planned and Carlton were worse. They were below their normal metrics. Given that's what was discussed I'm guessing that's how the club will evaluate this.
Now this is not supporting or decrying the club or the coaching panel. It's not apologizing for the club. It's merely observing. I would have thought that's a pretty simple concept to gain from the above. Simple comprehension of the English language.
With punctuation and all....
:lol :lol :lol :lol just gotta love the excuse makers. your making excuses nothing more.
very funny all that faith in the coaches, they are bigger excusers of mediocrity than you lot.
maybe just maybe you could make your own mind up rather than putting faith in those charlatans in charge. sad you cant fathom excuses when they hit you in the face.
its simple a child can see morris applied no more pressure than what you would expect from any sml fwd in the game today. if i compared his performance against every single sml fwd in the comp he would hold the table up. yet he had a very good game with the following, wait for it !!!!!
3 disposals, 4 tackles all of which resulted in free kicks against haaarrgghh thats great ball retention right there. 0 impact on the scoeboard but thats okay we have enough goal kickers lol., 0 kicks no inside 50s no goal assists wow thats great for attacking the game. in fact most stats columns have a big fat zero in them. throw in unlike everyone else, he was playing on an ice arena falling over all day. something that is a regular thing with our steve. and you get sucked in by comments from that doyen wilbur williams talking about what was it again, that is gold. no wonder we are middling they are just as deluded as people on here.
wow he played some game did steve yet posters cant for what ever reason concede he had a poor game.
oh wer'e from tiger land wallowing in mediocrity, thriving on spin oh wer'e from tiger land. hhhaaarrrrggghhhh just gotta love the defenders.as stated if people cant say morris had a bad day they will never ever say he had a bad day for the simple reason you cant get much worse.
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Give up Claw, half the people supporting Morris are those that continually accept mediocre players in our team, they hang onto the hope that these players will win a Brownlow, our club has been full of them for years. When we end up with a team of players with the caliber such as the Hawks, people can then look back and say...gee those players were spuds!!!!
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Wat and Claw, the dynamic duo!!
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Wat and Claw, the dynamic duo!!
Why? because we have different thoughts to the sheep?
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Wat and Claw, the dynamic duo!!
Why? because we have different thoughts to the sheep?
Because you're dynamic!
So everyone who doesn't agree with you and Claw is a sheep?
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Wat and Claw, the dynamic duo!!
Why? because we have different thoughts to the sheep?
No
Perhaps it may have something to do with the fact that simply because people have different opinions to claw's in particular, that are constantly being told they are wrong, excuse makers rather than acknowledging it is simply a difference in opinion
Personally, I thought Morris was poor on Friday night that's my opinion but I am not going to whack people and constantly say they are wrong just because they don't agree with me. It's called debating/discussing the issue
Forums are opinion based doesn't make one person right all the time or wrong.
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Wat and Claw, the dynamic duo!!
Why? because we have different thoughts to the sheep?
No
Perhaps it may have something to do with the fact that simply because people have different opinions to claw's in particular, that are constantly being told they are wrong, excuse makers rather than acknowledging it is simply a difference in opinion
Personally, I thought Morris was poor on Friday night that's my opinion but I am not going to whack people and constantly say they are wrong just because they don't agree with me. It's called debating/discussing the issue
Forums are opinion based doesn't make one person right all the time or wrong.
Yes but it goes both ways WP, lets not forget that. Claw is continually berated on this forum for having a view, albeit a very strong view. It seems a mob mentality forms and the attacks begin and then the crap starts.
Forums are opinion based so Claw is voicing his opinion. No, it doesn't make one person right all the time I agree, but it also doesn't make everyone right all the time either because the mob is formed and they attack one poster.
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Yes but it goes both ways WP, lets not forget that. Claw is continually berated on this forum for having a view, albeit a very strong view. It seems a mob mentality forms and the attacks begin and then the crap starts.
Forums are opinion based so Claw is voicing his opinion. No, it doesn't make one person right all the time I agree, but it also doesn't make everyone right all the time either because the mob is formed and they attack one poster.
With respect WAT, the posts I've been reading are people giving balanced opinions, there is no pack, there is no crap as you put it. I haven't seen anyone berate anyone. Seen plenty of people giving an opinion though
But and using claw in this instance with the replies to the balanced comment & opinions there has been no acknowledgement of the said opinions just, some of these :lol , accusing posters of accepting mediocrity, snide comments like "it's simple even a child can see..." Etc ..
This is not supposed to be a whack at claw but it is incredibly frustrating to have people imply you are wrong simply because you don't share the same opinion as them and that their opinion is right no matter what. That was the point of my original reply.
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Thanks WP. Appreciate the view point.
claw so as WP says, disagreeing with you makes me an apologist for the club. Thanks mate. I didn't know that. Good to know where I stand.
Now back to real observations. Wilbur did discuss target % for playing on in defensive 50, middle of ground and forward 50. He was clear on Morris role being key in stopping the opposition playing on in our forward 50. That breakdown of goals conceded from playing on in our defensive 50 would be nice to know. We've all bemoaned the sling-shot goals against. If this stops a few of those then that cant be bad. I wonder how far they have broken that down. Plays on of 1st possession, plays on second possession, etc. Given the analytical nature of the game nowadays and our coaches penchant for the NFL (one of the ultimate stats and play breakdown games) I wouldn't be surprised if we've broken it down to that level. I.e. Stop them playing on 5 times a game on first possession in defensive 50 will stop 1 goal. Given the way the stats were quoted I wouldn't be surprised if it is that level. (Note to claw, the preceding paragraph is not apologizing for the club. It's not agreeing with it or disagreeing with it. It's just trying to analyze why they landed at a position.)
The bit that did get me in the podcast was the statement that part of Steve's job is just to lead the way and tackle and harass. That without that sort of example the other forwards wouldn't naturally do it. That's a concern.
Oh and by the way Shed had the most contested possessions in the game and the greatest number of clearances. Ohh and 7 score involvements.
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lol he was horrid. should be dropped based on both preseason and that game.how the hell anyone can accept that sort of performance from a player is mind boggling.
ffs give a kid like butler a go in the role. he at least has footy smarts has pace lays a tackle and knows where the goals are. cant possibly do worse than that performance depite morris being harshly dealt by the umps.
when are we ever going to expect 35 -45 goals a yr from our smaller fwds.and while they kick their fair share of goals chase tackle and apply pressure its all part of the one job the last time i looked. just by kicking a few goals you make defenders accountable.
theres room for only so many limited role players better to look for well rounded players.
geez unbelievable what a win papers over with some.
Amazing what an honest post stirrs up. i was more than happy to leave it at that but others just couldnt let it go. basically all i said was i found it amazing that some people can accept that sort of performance. why because it was such a bad performance.
i also said i thought the win papered over the bad performance for some didnt mention any names but i suppose if the shoe fits eh. yep form the posse and hang me high i dared criticise a favorite son.
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Wat and Claw, the dynamic duo!!
Why? because we have different thoughts to the sheep?
No
Perhaps it may have something to do with the fact that simply because people have different opinions to claw's in particular, that are constantly being told they are wrong, excuse makers rather than acknowledging it is simply a difference in opinion
Personally, I thought Morris was poor on Friday night that's my opinion but I am not going to whack people and constantly say they are wrong just because they don't agree with me. It's called debating/discussing the issue
Forums are opinion based doesn't make one person right all the time or wrong.
oh cmon its not all one way.
its also patently clear there are posters who defend players for the sake of defending them.it borders on disingenuity. dont we debate footy matters because we think we are right and others are wrong. sheesh.
morris was putrid there can be no excuses for him because there are none. what else can you think when people defend that stuff. as i have said going by this week there will never ever be criticisms of morris in the future because its going to be damn hard to play worse than that.
when a player is so poor and people defend that player then damn right i think people have the blinkers on. of course im going to say they are wrong after that performance. what you want me to agree with em. basically all ive done is debate his game and ive given as good as ive copped as well. yes i do disagrre with posters on this and i will call it for what it was A GOD AWFUL GAME.
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luke dahlhaus
22 disposals, 5 mks, 2 mks i/50, 5 i/50s, 9 tackles :o, 1 goal 1 behind, kept his feet chased harassed applied pressure. must be the greatest game of all time. well certainly is when you compare it to morriss game lol.
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I think the issue here is that the role that Morris appears to have been given is on the surface a negative one. If our forward structures were decent enough then surely it should be an opposition defender being the kamikaze on the small forward making them nervous every time they come near. I might have to watch the replay again but I could have sworn at one point that we had the ball from broken play and Morris actually runs toward an opposition defender to prevent them involving in the next passage of play rather than running into space to make himself a target, seems a negative approach to me. Not sure of the stats but most of the small forwards i saw over the weekend did actually get to feel leather on boot, I don't believe he actually did although his one free kick most likely would have given him the one kick for the day. The other problem i see with his role is that he isn't creative either (or overly skillful), so even when he does pressure a turnover he isn't really the best person to take advantage of it so to me its almost counter productive. Anyway that's my point of view, interesting reading everyone else's take on what happened on the weekend.
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no goal assists
Don't know if it comes up in the stats (it should IMO), but surely his tackle that lead to Lloyd playing on and kicking a goal is counted as an assist. That's why sometimes you have to take stat's with a grain of salt. Saying that, adding one assist to his name doesn't magically make his game a good one.
Houli cops a lot of flack because his defensive game is poor, but if he was allowed the same luxury as Morris everyone will be talking about how good a player he is because of the run he provides. He isn't though and, like every player should be, he is judged on his overall game. Batchelors another. Good at the small stuff but provides little run and get's fairly criticised for it. So why does Morris get to neglect one area of his game?
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Send him to Bob Murphy this week
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Send him to Bob Murphy this week
He would be absolutely creamed!!!
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Listen.
In fairness to morro,
It's not Morris's fault Hardwick has bestowed upon him such gargantuan tasks, or at least duties that lay beyond his abilities.
It's the coach somewhat validating his own worth as a player.
He thinks Morris is him when he was young.
This is why he favours him and has a deluded assessment of his limitations.
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It has taken a number of days following this thread to ascertain the following;
Some people think Morris is poo, some people he is not poo. One of those people may or may not be the coach.
Can we leave thread alone now?
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It has taken a number of days following this thread to ascertain the following;
Some people think Morris is poo, some people he is not poo. One of those people may or may not be the coach.
Can we leave thread alone now?
Funny how "the coach rates him" is a valid point to back up your own argument when you like a player, but when you don't like them the coach has no idea. Doesn't just apply to you I can think of a few others that have used that line
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I distrust the coach's assessments across the board.
Good is bad - Grigg
Bad is good - Miles,
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FMD
F50 pressure is great.
But this guy runs around like a wacko cannon-balling himself into opposition player's legs in that endearing manner that I appreciated so much in 2013 when it was legal.
Pressure isn't enough. You don't pay a small forward JUST to apply pressure. They have to get some ball and kick goals too. If he had a dozen touches and jagged a goal then I'd say he had a decent game. But he didn't - okay I suppose Lloyd stole one of his goals but too bad.
Performance was a long way below the pass mark for me. Has time to prove himself but ideally I think he's best played as a defender. Should go straight to Dahlhaus this week and take him out of the stuffing game. That would satisfy me.
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Wat and Claw, the dynamic duo!!
Why? because we have different thoughts to the sheep?
No
Perhaps it may have something to do with the fact that simply because people have different opinions to claw's in particular, that are constantly being told they are wrong, excuse makers rather than acknowledging it is simply a difference in opinion
Personally, I thought Morris was poor on Friday night that's my opinion but I am not going to whack people and constantly say they are wrong just because they don't agree with me. It's called debating/discussing the issue
Forums are opinion based doesn't make one person right all the time or wrong.
its also patently clear there are posters who defend players for the sake of defending them.it borders on disingenuity.
That statement is completely wrong and just shows your lack of understanding or willingness to entertain/fathom that opinions exist outside of your own.
Of all those sticking up for Morris's role, I (supposedly one of the main Debbie downers) am one. I was banned from this forum just over a week ago for being too negative against players and the club. If anything, most people will say i attack players for the sake of it. So to claim People defend players for the sake of it is wayyyyyyyy of the mark. I do see the merit in what Hardwick is trying to do. Will it work in the long run IDK.
That aside, just because you don't understand or agree with other people's viewpoints doesn't mean there is automatically no merit to their argument. And even if you think that there isn't, that's your opinion rather than necessarily being factual.
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It has taken a number of days following this thread to ascertain the following;
Some people think Morris is poo, some people he is not poo. One of those people may or may not be the coach.
Can we leave thread alone now?
Funny how "the coach rates him" is a valid point to back up your own argument when you like a player, but when you don't like them the coach has no idea. Doesn't just apply to you I can think of a few others that have used that line
Trust me, I am not saying it and never have. I am being tongue in cheek. The thread is a dead horse and not getting anywhere.
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Wat and Claw, the dynamic duo!!
Why? because we have different thoughts to the sheep?
No
Perhaps it may have something to do with the fact that simply because people have different opinions to claw's in particular, that are constantly being told they are wrong, excuse makers rather than acknowledging it is simply a difference in opinion
Personally, I thought Morris was poor on Friday night that's my opinion but I am not going to whack people and constantly say they are wrong just because they don't agree with me. It's called debating/discussing the issue
Forums are opinion based doesn't make one person right all the time or wrong.
its also patently clear there are posters who defend players for the sake of defending them.it borders on disingenuity.
That statement is completely wrong and just shows your lack of understanding or willingness to entertain/fathom that opinions exist outside of your own.
no its no. i understand fully that some think his game was okay im also pretty sure some are defending his game for the sake of it.
thing is i could even understand if it was just a poor game but it was lousy horrid awful and to me in this instance people are taking the pee or, if not taking the pee imo are kidding themselves. im gobsmacked that people would dare try and defend that sort of game from any player it was that bad.
im accused around here of not giving credit where its due i can tell you now there are plenty who are guilty of not being critical when they should be instead defending the indefensible.
we all understand he was there to play as a defensive fwd, you think i havent even looked at the defensive side of his game and the role he was to play. im sorry he was poor even in that. i can tell you now jake king never ever had a game that poor and he righly copped criticism imo.
the bar is clearly set low and it seems there is little attempt by those doyens in charge to find a decent well rounded sml fwd. deficient below average role players is good enough it seems.
its not just morris who should answer or is to blame. those in charge should take a good hard look at themselves as well.
when will we ever as a club stop accepting and then defending mediocrity.
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Arnot's stats in the same role last year included returns of 10,13,8 & 8* disposals, 3,6,9 & 2* tackles and even the odd goal (1,1,0 & 1*) with only two frees against across four matches. Yet he gets dropped, subbed off, dropped again and now finds himself stuck on the rookie list and playing for his future at 21 with many people declaring him a dud, while 26 y.o. Morris is getting bouquets from the Master Coach and armchair experts alike for his 3 disposals, 4 tackles, 5 frees against and zero goals. Go figure.
*subbed off at 3/4 time.
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Do you have stats on Arnott's opponents for those games?
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FMD
F50 pressure is great.
But this guy runs around like a wacko cannon-balling himself into opposition player's legs in that endearing manner that I appreciated so much in 2013 when it was legal.
Pressure isn't enough. You don't pay a small forward JUST to apply pressure. They have to get some ball and kick goals too. If he had a dozen touches and jagged a goal then I'd say he had a decent game. But he didn't - okay I suppose Lloyd stole one of his goals but too bad.
Performance was a long way below the pass mark for me. Has time to prove himself but ideally I think he's best played as a defender. Should go straight to Dahlhaus this week and take him out of the stuffing game. That would satisfy me.
I agree his best position is in defence. To be a defensive forward you still have to offer something as a forward. To hold that position you need to be able to kick goals on a regular basis. Need to go back to the drawing board regarding a defensive forward.
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It's about time a few people on here go to the game and watch what actually occurs
I will put it in simple terms
Morris gets a opponent inside F50
If the opposition drops and extra back he goes and picks up the extra therefore 2 on 1
Our spare then plays up the ground through the corridor
Morris is therefore on 2 opposition players when the ball is in out F50
That's his role
And it worked last week
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ffs no it didn't stop apologizing for the club form your own opinion
;D ;D ;D
Meanwhile, in the real world, it does raise the very interesting point about what metrics/KPI's we're running to. There's got to be a KPI that if we slow them down in our forward 50, don't allow them to play on and we get one extra back in the midfield/defensive 50 zone how much fewer goals they score. Wilbur alluded to that in the game review.
Very NFL like in some ways.
We make ourselves more efficient going forward and score X. We make them less efficient and make them score Y. If we get the "game on our terms", "get our processes right" then X > Y. From what I hear from the players coaches etc. and yes I am remote, that seems to be the underlying/overarching principle. If it works this could be a fun journey.
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Cotchin on SEN talking about Morris ...
* I think the great thing about Morro is that every opportunity he’s near the footy, he’ll give his 100%. It’s never 90% or 95%, it’s always 100 and that’s why we love him. Like any individual he’ll be disappointed with just three possessions in a game but what we’re saying from a team point of view, the pressure and perceive pressure that he puts on the opposition is going to have a massive impact this season. It’s just where the game’s going. You want to turn the ball over as close to goal as possible to give yourself an opportunity to put another score on the board. Morro had been performing a really good role for us down back. It’s been exciting for him to learn a whole new role and it’s probably just given him that bit of fresh air that sometimes you need. He’s really enjoying his role and really enjoying learning but also teaching the younger guys how he goes about it.
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-04-08/morris-a-man-on-a-mission
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There you go - just invented a new stat called "perceived pressure "
You go Morro !!
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It's just where the games going.....lol
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That's a beauty.
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I will say again that being at the game you could see how intense Morro's defensive pressure was and how much impact it had on the blues' defense.
I'm not saying he had a good game but there is simply no one on our list that could apply as much defensive pressure. Arnott is too slow. Morris is quick, and a psycho.
And I do not support players for the sake of it, Clawski. I have been critical of plenty of our players in the past and I will continue to do so if if I see fit.
I think Morro up forward should be persevered with, but he will need to improve offensively. I think he can.
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stuffen Hardwick
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Do you have stats on Arnott's opponents for those games?
Well I know that across three and three quarter matches they only received two frees, conceded 3 goals and got tackled 20 times.
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Throw this man on the Bont this week. If a 185cm, 83kg Morris can nullify and make a 192cm, 85kg Bontompelli poo his pants when lining up for goal, and curb Dalhaus' influence also, I wouldn't be overly upset if he only has limited possessions.
He will need to improve his goal kicking sense and put it through the big sticks if he stays in the forward line but considering the tigers aren't very good at blocking/shepherding for each other, I'm happy to trial Morris a bit longer. I think players deserve at least 4 games to prove themselves especially in new roles. Important for team stability but also to send the right message for players finding their feet.
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Morris to Dahlhaus.
McIntosh to Bont!
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Morris to Dahlhaus.
McIntosh to Bont!
Morris to Dahlhausb- GOAL!!!
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Cotchin on SEN talking about Morris ...
* I think the great thing about Morro is that every opportunity he’s near the footy, he’ll give his 100%. It’s never 90% or 95%, it’s always 100 and that’s why we love him. Like any individual he’ll be disappointed with just three possessions in a game but what we’re saying from a team point of view, the pressure and perceive pressure that he puts on the opposition is going to have a massive impact this season. It’s just where the game’s going. You want to turn the ball over as close to goal as possible to give yourself an opportunity to put another score on the board. Morro had been performing a really good role for us down back. It’s been exciting for him to learn a whole new role and it’s probably just given him that bit of fresh air that sometimes you need. He’s really enjoying his role and really enjoying learning but also teaching the younger guys how he goes about it.
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-04-08/morris-a-man-on-a-mission
reckon ive said my piece on his game so wont go on. but one point i was trying to get across was all clubs have sml fwds who ARE EXPECTED TO APPLY PRESSURE AND PERCIEVED PRESSURE. they are also expected to perform offensively as well. i cant even say morris did the defensive work well, what with the falling over and badly laid tackles.
Trouble is other clubs also expect their sml fwds to keep their nfeet and kick goals and be heavily involved in the offensive side of the game.
if we only expect pressure acts from morris then we are settling for half a job. ffs anyone who has a bit of pace and lays tackles can do morris job.
arent people worried that the club comes out with this sort of dribble.
you know what not one person has mentioned the simple fact that if you kick a few goals as a fwd then you actually stop the run of your opponent.
when are we as a club going to come out and say
we expect our smaller fwds to be quick have good skills know where the goals are and importantly chase tackle harass and apply pressure. in a nut shell we expect our sml fwds to be well rounded in the entire role. why cant we expect that, other clubs do.
ive said it before if we are forced to play morris as a nothing defensive pressure player, then we need to look at the other fwds and address the problems. fwd line pressure is a collective thing and not down to one man the fact we seem to think it is is a concern.
nearly every club did not have a problem fielding a well rounded sml fwd who performed both the offensive and defensive sides of the game. i know whats ideal and it certainly is not having a bloke like morris performing the role he did or before him king.
for cotchin to say morro gives 100% when hes near the ball is spin.and nothing more than a team mate defending a mates poor performance.is he saying all players dont give 100% and only one or two do. if thats the case then we are in trouble. if any player cant give 100% when near the ball get rid of em.
go and have a look at the output of other teams sml fwds on the weekend and you will quickly see it is absolute folly for us to accept what morris gave us on thursday night.
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I will say again that being at the game you could see how intense Morro's defensive pressure was and how much impact it had on the blues' defense.
I'm not saying he had a good game but there is simply no one on our list that could apply as much defensive pressure. Arnott is too slow. Morris is quick, and a psycho.
And I do not support players for the sake of it, Clawski. I have been critical of plenty of our players in the past and I will continue to do so if if I see fit.
I think Morro up forward should be persevered with, but he will need to improve offensively. I think he can.
im happy with that, he was very poor imo both defensively and offensively my opinion isnt going to change on that game.
i think if hes only going to be a defensive fwd we are wasting our time.our fwd line has struggled to kick goals for so so long yet we fail to address it. we do more of the same thing that has failed time after time.
my thinking is more skilled classier players can do the defensive side of things just as well as morris and give a real cutting edge offensively its this that we should be aiming for.
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I will say again that being at the game you could see how intense Morro's defensive pressure was and how much impact it had on the blues' defense.
I'm not saying he had a good game but there is simply no one on our list that could apply as much defensive pressure. Arnott is too slow. Morris is quick, and a psycho.
And I do not support players for the sake of it, Clawski. I have been critical of plenty of our players in the past and I will continue to do so if if I see fit.
I think Morro up forward should be persevered with, but he will need to improve offensively. I think he can.
im happy with that, he was very poor imo both defensively and offensively my opinion isnt going to change on that game.
i think if hes only going to be a defensive fwd we are wasting our time.our fwd line has struggled to kick goals for so so long yet we fail to address it. we do more of the same thing that has failed time after time.
my thinking is more skilled classier players can do the defensive side of things just as well as morris and give a real cutting edge offensively its this that we should be aiming for.
Fair enough. Let's leave it at that.
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In his weekly Dissection, Hardwick mentions he caused 6 or 7 turnovers that created 2 or 3 goals and as we all know, it doesn't matter if you kick them or create them, if your effort causes a goal then that's all the team and coaches are going to care about. And if you were at the game then you could see how that was possible. I've never spoken up as being a Morris apologist and in my original post days ago I said I would expect more from a pressuring small forward but I don't agree with Claw et al and the blanket assessment of him as a failure in that role last Thursday. As I said in that post and Willy has re-iterated - you had to be at the game to see the work he was doing and effect he was having, regardless of how that panned out in the mainstream stats count, and to already make the call that the move has been a failure is wrong imho. It might well end up that way but I can't agree with it based on last week's game.
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In his weekly Dissection, Hardwick mentions he caused 6 or 7 turnovers that created 2 or 3 goals and as we all know, it doesn't matter if you kick them or create them, if your effort causes a goal then that's all the team and coaches are going to care about. And if you were at the game then you could see how that was possible. I've never spoken up as being a Morris apologist and in my original post days ago I said I would expect more from a pressuring small forward but I don't agree with Claw et al and the blanket assessment of him as a failure in that role last Thursday. As I said in that post and Willy has re-iterated - you had to be at the game to see the work he was doing and effect he was having, regardless of how that panned out in the mainstream stats count, and to already make the call that the move has been a failure is wrong imho. It might well end up that way but I can't agree with it based on last week's game.
and my argument to that has been offensive sml fwds across the afl have done exactly that as well. force turnovers and create goals. its a big part of why i think we shouild be aiming for better.
imo nathan gordon given the same role as morris would force turnovers and create goals. its expected of these types of fwds.its talked up as if its out of the box or exceptional when its nothing but an expected requirement of any sml fwd regardless of the label offensive or defensive. anyway enough said i think the biggest difference is the expectations we have of our players.
me i want us to go out and get a rioli or puopolo betts walters who ever they are theres many. they all impact the scoreboard heavily they create for their teammates but they are defensively very good. i suppose im demanding a well rounded sml fwd instead of the half a role we currently get with morris.and thats it he does half a role. all im asking is we aim higher than we currently are.
me id rather play a kid with some potential who may have a chance of doing the whole role than persevere with one who only does half.
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And if you were at the game then you could see how that was possible.
Bit sick of seeing that posted as it seems that's everyones defense because they know Claw can't make it to many games. I was there, I saw the pressure and I'm somewhat on Claw's side as I've said before. His pressure was okay, could of been better if he kept his feet and didn't give away so many free kicks but most importantly was his overall game was poor. Too many conceded free kicks and not enough offensive involvement. He may of created 2-3 goals but don't forget we were playing a nothing club in Carlton. Against a good side those 5 free kicks would of contributed to more goals for them and his pressure wouldn't of amounted to as many turnover goals. We can't blame Morris though, he tries his guts out but at this stage he just doesn't have it offensively. It's really down to Hardwick (I've been a fan of Hardwicks except for his favourtism towards Newman and now this move). Good coaches get in good smalls who provide offense and defense. I don't think any other coach in the league would accept a 3 disposal game from their small forward and claim as it as a good game. Sure Hardwick should give him some time to develop into the role and that's okay, but if there is no improvement and Hardwick isn't on his ass then there is something going wrong
/clawrantbutwithgrammar
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I'm watching it now on fox.
Such a poor quality game.
Some of our fumbles and turnovers are comical and wouldn't be such a recurring theme
If Clarkson were coach.
Ellis missing a sitter, Grigg wasting opportunities time and time again.,
48-67 and Carlton haven't kicked a goal for 53 minutes. Lmao.
Statistically we dominated but are so bad that we couldn't bury them in 53 minutes.
Morris is a stuffn liability..Backmen just beckoning him to throw his corpse at the ball
so they'll get a free - and they do.
Houli is another incomplete solution.
Newman is just a joke.
As talented as lids is, he's just stuffn stupid.
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And Cotchin is the worst kick in the stuffn comp
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And Cotchin is the worst kick in the stuffn comp
:lol
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And if you were at the game then you could see how that was possible.
Bit sick of seeing that posted as it seems that's everyones defense because they know Claw can't make it to many games.
Completely wrong, has nothing to do with Claw getting to games or not. It was my first game in 2 years and I've never subscribed to that theory either but if you read my original post I stated that in relation to Morris's game I felt you needed to be there to appreciate the effect he had.
I was there, I saw the pressure and I'm somewhat on Claw's side as I've said before. His pressure was okay, could of been better if he kept his feet and didn't give away so many free kicks but most importantly was his overall game was poor. Too many conceded free kicks and not enough offensive involvement. He may of created 2-3 goals but don't forget we were playing a nothing club in Carlton. Against a good side those 5 free kicks would of contributed to more goals for them and his pressure wouldn't of amounted to as many turnover goals.
Just on the free kicks - 2 of the 5 were poor decisions by the maggots and one especially right in front of me should have been paid to Morris, not against him, which would have given him a shot from the goal square. And the opposition is irrelevant, especially given that everyone on here was poo frightened before the game of what Yarran was going to do to us and Morris had a distinct and decisive impact on Yarran having no impact on the game whatsoever.
We can't blame Morris though, he tries his guts out but at this stage he just doesn't have it offensively. It's really down to Hardwick (I've been a fan of Hardwicks except for his favourtism towards Newman and now this move). Good coaches get in good smalls who provide offense and defense. I don't think any other coach in the league would accept a 3 disposal game from their small forward and claim as it as a good game. Sure Hardwick should give him some time to develop into the role and that's okay, but if there is no improvement and Hardwick isn't on his ass then there is something going wrong
And that is my final point - again. I never said Morris is the answer or will make it but I don't subscribe to wiping the trial after 1 serious game either, especially when I saw some positive impacts in it.
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Don't mind the coach trying something different and Morris did have some effect but can't help but think this experiment will have another short lifespan.
To his credit on Dimma's Dissection on the website he says he understands Morris also needs to kick goals as well as pressurise opponents.
Therein lies his problem..just hope it doesn't take 6 weeks to make the change.
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And if you were at the game then you could see how that was possible.
Bit sick of seeing that posted as it seems that's everyones defense because they know Claw can't make it to many games.
Lets just thank the good lord Claw isn't head of recruitment. Making judgment calls on player performance based on video footage has had a history of catastrophic failure at our club.
There's really no difference.
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Would hate to see a similarly close game to last season against the Dogs where this time in the last minute we get inside 50 only for Morris to give away a needless free kick. That's my main worry with him having a Kamikaze type role is when finess is required it won't be natural for him to change his method.
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Wasn't that free kick young Brandon ?
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Wasn't quite in the goal square as I remembered but here is the link:
http://www.afl.com.au/video/smart-replay?round=CD_R201501401&matchId=CD_M20150140101&eventType=free&seek=5223&videoQuality=high (http://www.afl.com.au/video/smart-replay?round=CD_R201501401&matchId=CD_M20150140101&eventType=free&seek=5223&videoQuality=high)
Should have been a free for a high tackle but got pinged for holding the ball.
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Reckon you've nailed it Smokey :thumbsup
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And if you were at the game then you could see how that was possible.
Bit sick of seeing that posted as it seems that's everyones defense because they know Claw can't make it to many games.
Lets just thank the good lord Claw isn't head of recruitment. Making judgment calls on player performance based on video footage has had a history of catastrophic failure at our club.
There's really no difference.
lol thats why i tend to stick to wa lads come draft time.
i have regularly got to 5 6 of our games a yr. reckon thats enough along with the tele.
one thing i have always been prepared to put up my thoughts on who we should draft. i have often said id back in my picks against fj record any day of the week. the concern here is i have done better than him on limited viewings and time where its done out of fun, where he has the backing of the club and many resources and aids to do his job and still he cant get it right or do better than an amateur who does it for fun.
you know what it would be nice to get some posters on here with the power of their own convictions. instead we cop posters like you cracking the sads because you dont agree and taking pot shots. the morris thread is over for now let it go son.
one minute all praise the next minute all doom and gloom and then suddenly back to praise again.feeling a need to take a shot just all over the shop.
the one thing i can categorically say is i have stuck to my beliefs and principals and father time has MOSTLY proven me correct.
i dont need to defend my views or who i think we should have drafted so i wont.
what i will do is this just for you, so the next time you crack the sads you can sprout of to the world that claw wanted durdin instead of ellis, i wanted blakely instead of menadue. that i wanted kietel instead of butler that i prefered anyne to nathan drummond. you can say i was pleased we took mckenzie and rookied lambert.
or how about i was all for targeting garlett, insisted we pay frawley what he wants, that mitch hallahan was a want after the greenwood and trengove deals fell thru. or i insisted we get rid of the hack vickery if we could for whatever price. that we cut newman that we rookie another ruckman mate i can go on and on. yep next time you crack the sads and want to have a go bring all that up its bound to make you feel good. or will it.
you seem to be worried about what i may get wrong when you really should be worried about the clubs record in this. after all im just another poster on a forum with an opinion who really should nothave to put vup with cheap and childish shots from posters who have cracked the sads.
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Wasn't quite in the goal square as I remembered but here is the link:
http://www.afl.com.au/video/smart-replay?round=CD_R201501401&matchId=CD_M20150140101&eventType=free&seek=5223&videoQuality=high (http://www.afl.com.au/video/smart-replay?round=CD_R201501401&matchId=CD_M20150140101&eventType=free&seek=5223&videoQuality=high)
Should have been a free for a high tackle but got pinged for holding the ball.
Yep I remember that one and can't argue that at all. Wasn't as if he dived on it either.
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And if you were at the game then you could see how that was possible.
Bit sick of seeing that posted as it seems that's everyones defense because they know Claw can't make it to many games.
Lets just thank the good lord Claw isn't head of recruitment. Making judgment calls on player performance based on video footage has had a history of catastrophic failure at our club.
There's really no difference.
lol thats why i tend to stick to wa lads come draft time.
i have regularly got to 5 6 of our games a yr. reckon thats enough along with the tele.
one thing i have always been prepared to put up my thoughts on who we should draft. i have often said id back in my picks against fj record any day of the week. the concern here is i have done better than him on limited viewings and time where its done out of fun, where he has the backing of the club and many resources and aids to do his job and still he cant get it right or do better than an amateur who does it for fun.
you know what it would be nice to get some posters on here with the power of their own convictions. instead we cop posters like you cracking the sads because you dont agree and taking pot shots. the morris thread is over for now let it go son.
one minute all praise the next minute all doom and gloom and then suddenly back to praise again.feeling a need to take a shot just all over the shop.
the one thing i can categorically say is i have stuck to my beliefs and principals and father time has MOSTLY proven me correct.
i dont need to defend my views or who i think we should have drafted so i wont.
what i will do is this just for you, so the next time you crack the sads you can sprout of to the world that claw wanted durdin instead of ellis, i wanted blakely instead of menadue. that i wanted kietel instead of butler that i prefered anyne to nathan drummond. you can say i was pleased we took mckenzie and rookied lambert.
or how about i was all for targeting garlett, insisted we pay frawley what he wants, that mitch hallahan was a want after the greenwood and trengove deals fell thru. or i insisted we get rid of the hack vickery if we could for whatever price. that we cut newman that we rookie another ruckman mate i can go on and on. yep next time you crack the sads and want to have a go bring all that up its bound to make you feel good. or will it.
you seem to be worried about what i may get wrong when you really should be worried about the clubs record in this. after all im just another poster on a forum with an opinion who really should nothave to put vup with cheap and childish shots from posters who have cracked the sads.
You seem to have mistaken me for someone who cares alot about your preferred drafting strategies. I couldn't remember who you wanted to draft over others in the past, so it was a refreshing summary..... yet meh.
Point is, my comment was in the context of watching Morris play, and for the club (not yourself) to make calls on recruiting players via video being just as likely to fall down on its merits (as it has).
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And Cotchin is the worst kick in the stuffn comp
Not even close to the worst kick at Richmond.
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And if you were at the game then you could see how that was possible.
Bit sick of seeing that posted as it seems that's everyones defense because they know Claw can't make it to many games.
Lets just thank the good lord Claw isn't head of recruitment. Making judgment calls on player performance based on video footage has had a history of catastrophic failure at our club.
There's really no difference.
lol thats why i tend to stick to wa lads come draft time.
i have regularly got to 5 6 of our games a yr. reckon thats enough along with the tele.
one thing i have always been prepared to put up my thoughts on who we should draft. i have often said id back in my picks against fj record any day of the week. the concern here is i have done better than him on limited viewings and time where its done out of fun, where he has the backing of the club and many resources and aids to do his job and still he cant get it right or do better than an amateur who does it for fun.
you know what it would be nice to get some posters on here with the power of their own convictions. instead we cop posters like you cracking the sads because you dont agree and taking pot shots. the morris thread is over for now let it go son.
one minute all praise the next minute all doom and gloom and then suddenly back to praise again.feeling a need to take a shot just all over the shop.
the one thing i can categorically say is i have stuck to my beliefs and principals and father time has MOSTLY proven me correct.
i dont need to defend my views or who i think we should have drafted so i wont.
what i will do is this just for you, so the next time you crack the sads you can sprout of to the world that claw wanted durdin instead of ellis, i wanted blakely instead of menadue. that i wanted kietel instead of butler that i prefered anyne to nathan drummond. you can say i was pleased we took mckenzie and rookied lambert.
or how about i was all for targeting garlett, insisted we pay frawley what he wants, that mitch hallahan was a want after the greenwood and trengove deals fell thru. or i insisted we get rid of the hack vickery if we could for whatever price. that we cut newman that we rookie another ruckman mate i can go on and on. yep next time you crack the sads and want to have a go bring all that up its bound to make you feel good. or will it.
you seem to be worried about what i may get wrong when you really should be worried about the clubs record in this. after all im just another poster on a forum with an opinion who really should nothave to put vup with cheap and childish shots from posters who have cracked the sads.
You seem to have mistaken me for someone who cares alot about your preferred drafting strategies. I couldn't remember who you wanted to draft over others in the past, so it was a refreshing summary..... yet meh.
Point is, my comment was in the context of watching Morris play, and for the club (not yourself) to make calls on recruiting players via video being just as likely to fall down on its merits (as it has).
And if you were at the game then you could see how that was possible.
Bit sick of seeing that posted as it seems that's everyones defense because they know Claw can't make it to many games.
Lets just thank the good lord Claw isn't head of recruitment. Making judgment calls on player performance based on video footage has had a history of catastrophic failure at our club.
There's really no difference.
lol thats why i tend to stick to wa lads come draft time.
i have regularly got to 5 6 of our games a yr. reckon thats enough along with the tele.
one thing i have always been prepared to put up my thoughts on who we should draft. i have often said id back in my picks against fj record any day of the week. the concern here is i have done better than him on limited viewings and time where its done out of fun, where he has the backing of the club and many resources and aids to do his job and still he cant get it right or do better than an amateur who does it for fun.
you know what it would be nice to get some posters on here with the power of their own convictions. instead we cop posters like you cracking the sads because you dont agree and taking pot shots. the morris thread is over for now let it go son.
one minute all praise the next minute all doom and gloom and then suddenly back to praise again.feeling a need to take a shot just all over the shop.
the one thing i can categorically say is i have stuck to my beliefs and principals and father time has MOSTLY proven me correct.
i dont need to defend my views or who i think we should have drafted so i wont.
what i will do is this just for you, so the next time you crack the sads you can sprout of to the world that claw wanted durdin instead of ellis, i wanted blakely instead of menadue. that i wanted kietel instead of butler that i prefered anyne to nathan drummond. you can say i was pleased we took mckenzie and rookied lambert.
or how about i was all for targeting garlett, insisted we pay frawley what he wants, that mitch hallahan was a want after the greenwood and trengove deals fell thru. or i insisted we get rid of the hack vickery if we could for whatever price. that we cut newman that we rookie another ruckman mate i can go on and on. yep next time you crack the sads and want to have a go bring all that up its bound to make you feel good. or will it.
you seem to be worried about what i may get wrong when you really should be worried about the clubs record in this. after all im just another poster on a forum with an opinion who really should nothave to put vup with cheap and childish shots from posters who have cracked the sads.
You seem to have mistaken me for someone who cares alot about your preferred drafting strategies. I couldn't remember who you wanted to draft over others in the past, so it was a refreshing summary..... yet meh.
Point is, my comment was in the context of watching Morris play, and for the club (not yourself) to make calls on recruiting players via video being just as likely to fall down on its merits (as it has).
so why even bring my name into it, but you did. seems you care enough to make disparaging comments.
the point is you have the sads on because someone has called you out on morris game someone dares thinks your wrong, it going to happen and happen often so get over it.
mate i have my opinion you have yours. im just as entitled to mine as your entitled to yours.. do i think your way off the mark you betya but that doesnt make me right . move on cheer up and get over it.
i think he had a shocker its not the end of the world. theres another game saturday he has a chance to redeem himself.
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And Cotchin is the worst kick in the stuffn comp
Not even close to the worst kick at Richmond.
Who's worse?
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And Cotchin is the worst kick in the stuffn comp
Not even close to the worst kick at Richmond.
Who's worse?
Well he hasn't yet had one to prove it but my theory is Hampson.
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Conca
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Yep Conca. Always looks for the shortest option to lesser advantage of the team and often muffs it. Is confused when he gets on the chain of team disposals and needs to be the designated long kicker in play. Never hits the target then. Floats the ball forward to disadvantage, turnover, and all the hard work is undone.
There's what you get at Richmond for the sixth best pick out of a population of 25,000,000. And 1000s of kms to the other side of the continent to get him.
Losing patience....... >:(
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Hampson. his set shot for goal last year was unforgivable
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If Morro wants to play up forward he has to learn to get a free kick rather than give a free kick. Maybe jake could show him how it's done he knew when to get the footy & drop his knees for the head high.
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And Cotchin is the worst kick in the stuffn comp
Not even close to the worst kick at Richmond.
Who's worse?
This guy has become a total loser.
Rance captain.
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three goals to half time for the entire team. yep the fwd line is going just fine lol.
thats the trouble with playing a defensive fwd the defender hes on is free to do waht he likes. he doesnt have to worry about a player unless that player is having an impact. he is free to run and have a good time without a care in the world.
morris doesnt have the smarts or the skill to hurt a defender on the scoreboard. what a game again from morris eh going gangbusters lol.
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stuffing useless.
Well done Morris, you peice of poo.
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I thought his first quarter was ok and his free kick count was obviously better than last week, but generally but you can lump him in with the rest of the ineffective lot over 4 quarters.
I was at the game and it was a slightly different role to last week whereby our forwards and back were being dragged end to end because of the Bulldogs set up and counter punch. Hence the time spent applying pressure (which I understand is his role) was less and more time was spent chasing tail and running end to end
Still, if you judge him on this its a clear fail.
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stuffing useless.
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stuffing useless.
Well done Morris, you peice of poo.
Classy and intellegent as usual WAT :thumbsup
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Thankfully, the Morris as a forward experiment is no more.
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Thankfully, the Morris as a forward experiment is no more.
yeah because he is so much better as a defender MT. How many times does he lose his feet, thinking his chuck norris with these spoils that miss the target
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Ironic that in his first match back in defence the shyte truck finally kicked a goal.
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Morris is a special needs player.
Brisbane is a special needs team
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Thankfully, the Morris as a forward experiment is no more.
yeah because he is so much better as a defender MT. How many times does he lose his feet, thinking his chuck norris with these spoils that miss the target
That's still more useful than him as a forward ;D.
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Morris expresses disappointment
richmondfc.com.au
April 27, 2015
“It’s a little bit embarrassing just to play the way we did . . . We expect more from every single one of us. At the end of the day, I expect better from myself, just like the other 21 do,” Morris said on ‘The Richmond Review’.
“Our ball use inside-50 wasn’t great. We probably didn’t play smart enough. We kicked to their spare too often I felt, and then they seemed to get their numbers forward pretty well, particularly on the ‘fat’ sides.
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-04-27/morris-expresses-disappointment
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Ball use, kicking to their spare.... Morris was not responsible for any of that...
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Morris expresses disappointment
richmondfc.com.au
April 27, 2015
“It’s a little bit embarrassing just to play the way we did . . . We expect more from every single one of us. At the end of the day, I expect better from myself, just like the other 21 do,” Morris said on ‘The Richmond Review’.
“Our ball use inside-50 wasn’t great. We probably didn’t play smart enough. We kicked to their spare too often I felt, and then they seemed to get their numbers forward pretty well, particularly on the ‘fat’ sides.
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-04-27/morris-expresses-disappointment
S T F U
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"A little bit embarrassing" .... :banghead :banghead
Doesn't even come close
Shameful, pathetic, totally embarrassing, inept are few I've come up with and they are "nice" ones
Agree with Ox STFU
Don't want to hear this crap.
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Did he just get a book of DF AUSSIE FOOTY CLICHES and cut and paste a bunch together to form sentences??
No wonder we're stuffed.
We have the dumbest list in the comp.
God help us.
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God helps those who helps themselves
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Ball use, kicking to their spare.... Morris was not responsible for any of that...
:lol
Correct. With zero kicks, one thing Morris cannot be accused of is poor disposal.
I was just checking his stats for the year, luckily for Steven his kickless game did not damage his average of 2 kicks per game too badly.
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If you look carefully he has an edition of football for dummies under his arm :lol
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I've lost patience with Morro. Needs to go.
Give Dea a crack.
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Another below par footballer in the RFC leadership group that won't get dropped.
Jako except 2013 anyone. :help
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Tbh he s not half the player of jacko, I wish he was
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Jako was an extremely limited footballer who found a niche in 2013 and looked okay due to midfield depth at the time.
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Jako did well to play within his limitations, ,,,,eventually ...we actually miss the bugger now, severely lacking an extra inside mid,,,could even do with Thomas until Ellis comes on
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Morris in leadership group? Surely not...
Has he played 30 games yet? Basketcase
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-6 metres gained from 4 disposals in a full game.
Says a lot...
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I can't understand how this team has beaten anyone
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Morris in leadership group? Surely not...
I can confirm that he is in the leadership group
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Hardwick defending playing Morris as a forward ...
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“There are three different forms of the game . . . defence, offense and stoppage. And, from our point of view at the moment, Steven does the majority of those pretty well,” Hardwick said.
“His defensive pressure up forward is outstanding.
“Would we like him to get on the scoreboard more? Absolutely. I think he’s only kicked one goal for the year.
“But we see some signs he’s causing turnovers, he’s creating mayhem up there.
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-05-08/morris-move-a-work-in-progress
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Hardwick defending playing Morris as a forward ...
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“But we see some signs he’s causing turnovers, he’s creating mayhem up there.
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-05-08/morris-move-a-work-in-progress
He's creating mayhem for RFC supporters who rip their hair out when they see a potential shot on goal go down the toilet. I do agree he does cause turnovers. RFC has the ball, Morris gets involved in the chain and the result is we turn it over
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Hardwick defending playing Morris as a forward ...
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“There are three different forms of the game . . . defence, offense and stoppage. And, from our point of view at the moment, Steven does the majority of those pretty well,” Hardwick said.
“His defensive pressure up forward is outstanding.
“Would we like him to get on the scoreboard more? Absolutely. I think he’s only kicked one goal for the year.
“But we see some signs he’s causing turnovers, he’s creating mayhem up there.
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-05-08/morris-move-a-work-in-progress
Hardwick refuses to accept he has made a mistake and his denial shows that he is losing touch with reality.
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I like Steve Morris and I don't care if he plays forward or back as long as he is in the team. We have so many soft, weak, vanilla players that couldn't give a poo about our club. They make feel me sick in the stomach watching them prance around in a tigers jumper.
Anyone that has a decent crack is good enough for me. I'd rather watch us loose with blokes that give 100% each week than watching Ellis, Houli, Grigg and Griffiths run around avoiding body contact. If you think Morris is the problem and not these guys than good luck.
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I'd rather play 11 Pettifers & 11 Tamblings than 22 of Morris....
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I like Steve Morris and I don't care if he plays forward or back as long as he is in the team. We have so many soft, weak, vanilla players that couldn't give a poo about our club. They make feel me sick in the stomach watching them prance around in a tigers jumper.
Anyone that has a decent crack is good enough for me. I'd rather watch us loose with blokes that give 100% each week than watching Ellis, Houli, Grigg and Griffiths run around avoiding body contact. If you think Morris is the problem and not these guys than good luck.
Morris playing is unquestionably a big part of the problem. He's an ordinary footballer who gets a game because as you've said he has a crack. Not his fault he gets picked every week I guess.
Not sure about Griffiths avoiding contact either. Seen him run over blokes on more than one occasion this year.
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Who was it that said this?......
"If you can't win your own ball you won't be playing in a Richmond jumper".
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I like Steve Morris and I don't care if he plays forward or back as long as he is in the team. We have so many soft, weak, vanilla players that couldn't give a poo about our club. They make feel me sick in the stomach watching them prance around in a tigers jumper.
Anyone that has a decent crack is good enough for me. I'd rather watch us loose with blokes that give 100% each week than watching Ellis, Houli, Grigg and Griffiths run around avoiding body contact. If you think Morris is the problem and not these guys than good luck.
Morris playing is unquestionably a big part of the problem. He's an ordinary footballer who gets a game because as you've said he has a crack. Not his fault he gets picked every week I guess.
Not sure about Griffiths avoiding contact either. Seen him run over blokes on more than one occasion this year.
Griff is a 200cm, 100kg marshmallow unfortunately.
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Have to disagree with your assessments of players. You're basically telling me you'd rather have Arnot, Thomas and Morris feeding it to Vickery instead of Ellis, Houli and Grigg feeding it to Griff? I can cop Grigg since he's not a good kick but he's better than those other 3 but in your view they have a crack so it's all good
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Seriously, how the stuff could anyone with a clue want this bloke in our side over anybody? Spends more time on his arse than on his feet.
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Was a decent backmen IMO, nothing much else
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Played probably his best game of the year and had 10 touches and a goal. We've got to try someone new.
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Played probably his best game of the year and had 10 touches and a goal. We've got to try someone new.
Was week 6 up forward.
His mark and goal will ensure he stays in the leadership and up forward till 2018.
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Played probably his best game of the year and had 10 touches and a goal. We've got to try someone new.
His best in two years...says it all really....
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Again we have a player who is not a natural forward playing there to fill a hole, how many other clubs need to do that? We seem to recruit players and turn them into something they are not. You would swear that had we recruited Franklin he would have been playing CHB. Sick of seeing players who played junior football in a specific position being moulded to suit another position, it might work occasionally but overall i think its doomed to failure. We seriously need to recruit for players for their proven skills in their normal position and not recruit these so called utility players who simply aren't going to you win you the big games.
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Again we have a player who is not a natural forward playing there to fill a hole, how many other clubs need to do that? We seem to recruit players and turn them into something they are not. You would swear that had we recruited Franklin he would have been playing CHB. Sick of seeing players who played junior football in a specific position being moulded to suit another position, it might work occasionally but overall i think its doomed to failure. We seriously need to recruit for players for their proven skills in their normal position and not recruit these so called utility players who simply aren't going to you win you the big games.
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Again we have a player who is not a natural forward p
there to fill a hole, how many other clubs need to do that? We seem to recruit players and turn them into something they are not. You would swear that had we recruited Franklin he would have been playing CHB. Sick of seeing players who played junior football in a specific position being moulded to suit another position, it might work occasionally but overall i think its doomed to failure. We seriously need to recruit for players for their proven skills in their normal position and not recruit these so called utility players who simply aren't going to you win you the big games.
That's rubbish. Sheedy regularly moved players round to find their best spot. So does Bomber Thompson. Playing players out of position is not a sin.
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Again we have a player who is not a natural forward playing there to fill a hole, how many other clubs need to do that? We seem to recruit players and turn them into something they are not. You would swear that had we recruited Franklin he would have been playing CHB. Sick of seeing players who played junior football in a specific position being moulded to suit another position, it might work occasionally but overall i think its doomed to failure. We seriously need to recruit for players for their proven skills in their normal position and not recruit these so called utility players who simply aren't going to you win you the big games.
Disagree
All players are skilled
It's a modern game
Players need to play many roles in a team structure
You wouldn't argued when Martin went forward at times last year and won games off his own boot
Problem we have is that we can't /don't play players in various roles so we are very predictable to the opposition
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If ha cant win your own ball, kick a goal or at least create a goal then you are not of a benefit to the team
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Morris has epitomised the fall of Hardwick.
He is so desperate to be an innovator that he is obsessed with taking things that are working and reinventing them.
Like the way he took Riewoldt when he was dominating the forward line and made him play up the ground and not be the focus, like the Martin to half back, like the Vlaustin play outside and especially like Morris as a forward.
It is so obvious to everyone that this has never worked, from the moment it started until now and yet our coaches box can't see it.
Hell, even if you swapped the Morris and Grimes today I'd wager Thomas doesn't kick 5 and Grimes has no less impact forward.
Makes me wonder if there is anyone strong enough to tell Hardwick the truth in our coaching box. You'd think Mark Williams would by obviously not.
It is like the Emperor's new clothes, Richmond style. "Yes Dimma, great move Dimma, you're an innovator Dimma, just as good as Clarko Dimma."
Unfortunately for Dimma, the ten year old boy who is going to yell out "Hang on, this bloke can't coach!" is getting closer by the day.
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Morris has epitomised the fall of Hardwick.
He is so desperate to be an innovator that he is obsessed with taking things that are working and reinventing them.
Like the way he took Riewoldt when he was dominating the forward line and made him play up the ground and not be the focus, like the Martin to half back, like the Vlaustin play outside and especially like Morris as a forward.
It is so obvious to everyone that this has never worked, from the moment it started until now and yet our coaches box can't see it.
Hell, even if you swapped the Morris and Grimes today I'd wager Thomas doesn't kick 5 and Grimes has no less impact forward.
Makes me wonder if there is anyone strong enough to tell Hardwick the truth in our coaching box. You'd think Mark Williams would by obviously not.
It is like the Emperor's new clothes, Richmond style. "Yes Dimma, great move Dimma, you're an innovator Dimma, just as good as Clarko Dimma."
Unfortunately for Dimma, the ten year old boy who is going to yell out "Hang on, this bloke can't coach!" is getting closer by the day.
"we dont want jack to 100 goals"
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I'm one of his harshest critics due his constant going to ground and going then man when he should be going the ball
But credit where credit is due, thought he was excellent today. Only real effective forward we had.
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Excellent is a bit much
He was ok in patches, but he had 10 touches.
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ten excellent touches
we can build him a bronze statue. next to jake kings one
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Thought he attacked the ball a lot better today and on at least three occasions actually appeared to be leading well.
Certainly not the worst or even in the bottom 5 for me. Would keep him in another week, on a week-by-week basis, based on yesterday's performance.
What would I know about changing from back to forward? Maybe it takes longer than a handful of proper games for some people?
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Excellent is a bit much
He was ok in patches, but he had 10 touches.
Exactly. I don't see him performing much better than that. I know stats don't tell the whole story but he had 10 touches, 3 tackles and a goal. That is all. An excellent game for him is an extremely average game for a competent small forward. Also thought his best work was done aerially. We need a small forward to look dangerous at ground level.
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Excellent is a bit much
He was ok in patches, but he had 10 touches.
Exactly. I don't see him performing much better than that. I know stats don't tell the whole story but he had 10 touches, 3 tackles and a goal. That is all. An excellent game for him is an extremely average game for a competent small forward. Also thought his best work was done aerially. We need a small forward to look dangerous at ground level.
Jake King like.
Not good enough.
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Excellent is a bit much
He was ok in patches, but he had 10 touches.
Exactly. I don't see him performing much better than that. I know stats don't tell the whole story but he had 10 touches, 3 tackles and a goal. That is all. An excellent game for him is an extremely average game for a competent small forward. Also thought his best work was done aerially. We need a small forward to look dangerous at ground level.
Was at the game have watched some of the replay but not all
His work off the ball that doesn't show up on the TV replay i have watched thus far was excellent. He was the only really effective forward we had who was prepared to put pressure on the opposition.
Stats in this case don't tell the entire story. As I said I am one of his harshest critics but compared to (a) what he has dished up prior to Saturday) and (b) based on what his role was on Saturday he did it extremely well
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His pressure seems to be headless chook like at times. Could be using his energy much more conservitably but I guess when a stupid coach puts you in a position purely for defensive pressure because he obviously doesn't expect or demand the same intensity from the other forwards then you have no choice
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Excellent is a bit much
He was ok in patches, but he had 10 touches.
Exactly. I don't see him performing much better than that. I know stats don't tell the whole story but he had 10 touches, 3 tackles and a goal. That is all. An excellent game for him is an extremely average game for a competent small forward. Also thought his best work was done aerially. We need a small forward to look dangerous at ground level.
Was at the game have watched some of the replay but not all
His work off the ball that doesn't show up on the TV replay i have watched thus far was excellent. He was the only really effective forward we had who was prepared to put pressure on the opposition.
Stats in this case don't tell the entire story. As I said I am one of his harshest critics but compared to (a) what he has dished up prior to Saturday) and (b) based on what his role was on Saturday he did it extremely well
Did you also count how many times he went to ground? Because on television he appeared to at least half a dozen times in the first half alone.
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We all know he's a poo truck but if I see him sprint pass one of our lazy ass footballers treading water to put pressure on the opposition I will fair dinkum spew
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absolutely fantastic today. best game from him since i can remember
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Puts in every week
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couple of shocking kicks that were costly
But who cares we won
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Puts in every week
So did king
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How much of a better team would we be with a player who puts in the same effort each week but also has skills around goal, I think they call them class small forwards, please RFC get at least one.
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Geez I was glad to see this bloke a few times tonight. Sad to say but we desperately need his attack on the ball.
Shame he didn't kick that goal. Not really a footballer's A-hole this bloke but he sure a poo gives 100%
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Best game of the year from Stevie , pity he didn't finish fairly easy goals, he deserved them .....7 tackles, :clapping
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l reckon some of his effort were very telling in the result. Guts this player
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Don't know if hes the solution to our small forward issues,but tonight he forced them to rush their kicks and caused turn overs ,cant ask for much more
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Need to upgrade
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About time he didn't fall over for more than 15 minutes
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His body would be bruised tonight. He went in bloody hard :clapping
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Got away with leaving him up forward as Port's smalls threatened to break the match open on several occassions but ultimately failed........let's see if Hardwick persists with the lark v Ballantyne, Betts & Hawthorn's trio....
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If this guy wants to impress tonight he needs to play on Chappy and blanket him all night, completely shut him down!!!!
That should be his goal tonight.
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If this guy wants to impress tonight he needs to play on Chappy and blanket him all night, completely shut him down!!!!
That should be his goal tonight.
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he will play on a defender, as the forward pocket
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If this guy wants to impress tonight he needs to play on Chappy and blanket him all night, completely shut him down!!!!
That should be his goal tonight.
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he will play on a defender, as the forward pocket
He has played both roles this year to no affect. He is not a forward end of story! He needs to go back and try to tag a forward such as Chappy.
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If this guy wants to impress tonight he needs to play on Chappy and blanket him all night, completely shut him down!!!!
That should be his goal tonight.
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he will play on a defender, as the forward pocket
He has played both roles this year to no affect. He is not a forward end of story! He needs to go back and try to tag a forward such as Chappy.
why not put him in the middle and tell him to do his thing?
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If this guy wants to impress tonight he needs to play on Chappy and blanket him all night, completely shut him down!!!!
That should be his goal tonight.
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he will play on a defender, as the forward pocket
He has played both roles this year to no affect. He is not a forward end of story! He needs to go back and try to tag a forward such as Chappy.
why not put him in the middle and tell him to do his thing?
What thing? He doesn't have a thing...Oh OK, you mean his thing, right, fall over, turn the ball over, give away frees, infringe on players, head high tackle, take out our players...yeah great idea... ;D
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He has played both roles this year to no affect.
Played 10 minutes as a defender when we had an injury but other than that hasn't stepped foot in the D50. Actually looked okay in defence like he usually does (as long as he doesn't have the ball)
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If this guy wants to impress tonight he needs to play on Chappy and blanket him all night, completely shut him down!!!!
That should be his goal tonight.
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he will play on a defender, as the forward pocket
He has played both roles this year to no affect. He is not a forward end of story! He needs to go back and try to tag a forward such as Chappy.
why not put him in the middle and tell him to do his thing?
What thing? He doesn't have a thing...Oh OK, you mean his thing, right, fall over, turn the ball over, give away frees, infringe on players, head high tackle, take out our players...yeah great idea... ;D
run at people and cause havoc
hes not very good but he is passionate
he would be less of a liability in the middle, and a pain in the ass as the tagger
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He has played both roles this year to no affect.
Played 10 minutes as a defender when we had an injury but other than that hasn't stepped foot in the D50. Actually looked okay in defence like he usually does (as long as he doesn't have the ball)
morris isnt skillful enough to play in defense
imho
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"Morris isn't skilled enough to play"........you should have just left it at that.
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:lol
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He has played both roles this year to no affect.
Played 10 minutes as a defender when we had an injury but other than that hasn't stepped foot in the D50. Actually looked okay in defence like he usually does (as long as he doesn't have the ball)
morris isnt skillful enough to play in defense
imho
Well he is in the backline now....
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I feel hes lost in the middle or forward he just doesnt know what to do. Hes looking to tackle but is often too late. I font know his stats tonight but from what i saw he was still lost out there.
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Sure throws his body in though...
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He is, in the last few games, starting to take some courageous marks and slot a few goals. In fact, my jaw dropped when he took some of the marks because they were good contested ones. Usually he just plays human cannon ball. If he can develop this more, he is on to something.
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Has been going good
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would certainly like Morro to get the ball more often and hopefully kick more goals but his pressure off the ball is amazing .he rushes opposition opponents with their kicks and tackles like he will die if he doesn't.
For all his faults and we all know them,i really do admire this kid for his sheer commitment to the cause.
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He is poo and will cost us more games than wins... get rid of him.
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would certainly like Morro to get the ball more often and hopefully kick more goals but his pressure off the ball is amazing .he rushes opposition opponents with their kicks and tackles like he will die if he doesn't.
For all his faults and we all know them,i really do admire this kid for his sheer commitment to the cause.
he also seems to hurt people, in a legal way
not enough of this
if you can go thur someone when the ball is there should be done
god knows it happens to our blokes
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If Butler ever starts getting games in front of this spud people will look back at the Morris days and just laugh.
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If Butler ever starts getting games in front of this spud people will look back at the Morris days and just laugh.
the jake king effect
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would certainly like Morro to get the ball more often and hopefully kick more goals but his pressure off the ball is amazing .he rushes opposition opponents with their kicks and tackles like he will die if he doesn't.
For all his faults and we all know them,i really do admire this kid for his sheer commitment to the cause.
he also seems to hurt people, in a seemingly legal way and yet pays endless free kicks
not enough of this
if you can go thur someone when the ball is there should be done
god knows it happens to our blokes
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Don't know about everyone here but at this point in time I am more than happy to see Morro create mayhem on our forward line...he is a human wrecking ball
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Don't know about everyone here but at this point in time I am more than happy to see Morro create mayhem on our forward line...he is a human wrecking ball
Was Huge last night :cheers Gives everything he has on the ground :clapping
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Don't know about everyone here but at this point in time I am more than happy to see Morro create mayhem on our forward line...he is a human wrecking ball
I don't want to be a stickler after a great win but the problem is for me is that last night was a very good game from Steve. For him to play this small forward role successfully i think he has to play a very good game every week. As soon as he slips below that he becomes a liability.
His pressure has improved and he seems to have more of an idea as to where to run forward of centre. However, I can't ignore the fact he is averaging 7.5 disposals and 0.4 goals a game.
I also thought he looked best when he moved back in the last quarter.
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I've got to say he really has no regard for his safety.
Good game last night.
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Credit where credit is due - played his best game ( as a forward ) last night .
No one can question his endeavour or toughness
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Was outstanding last night.
Genuinely think he was in our best few. Tremendous pressure acts
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Just needs to have a few snaps and hit the scoreboard more.
Keep pressuring :thumbsup
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You can really see opposition players second guess themselves whether they have the ball or not when Morro is in the vicinity. There was a 2 on 1 when where he forced a boundary because the freo players couldn't take it cleanly.
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have to say he surprised me last night.
He is getting into good positions and hits the ball running, as a small should.
He also didn't overcommit when pressuring the ball carrier as often.
he is still clearly unsure and lacks confidence when he gets the ball at times. He needs to start instinctively looking to the goals when he crumbs inside 50 rather than crapping himself and looking to dish off by hand, but if he can improve this like he has the afore mentioned aspects he may be worth persisting with.
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His game was okay but unfortuantely if that's the standard we are going to hold him to we aren't going anywhere. Compare his best game forward to Walters and Ballantyne at the other end who both had bad days to their standards.
Not too far off but 0 tackles is poor. I know he puts a lot of pressure on but you'd think someone who is in there to cause pressure could land at least 1 tackle.
D FF T G B
Hayden Ballantyne 15 4 7 1 1
Michael Walters 13 2 3 3 3
Steven Morris 11 1 0 1 0
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Those stats are misleading. Just watched the replay. Morro was great.
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His game was okay but unfortuantely if that's the standard we are going to hold him to we aren't going anywhere. Compare his best game forward to Walters and Ballantyne at the other end who both had bad days to their standards.
Not too far off but 0 tackles is poor. I know he puts a lot of pressure on but you'd think someone who is in there to cause pressure could land at least 1 tackle.
D FF T G B
Hayden Ballantyne 15 4 7 1 1
Michael Walters 13 2 3 3 3
Steven Morris 11 1 0 1 0
Doesn't mean anything.
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Those stats are misleading. Just watched the replay. Morro was great.
Disagree. He was pretty good but the Walters and Ballantyne showed me what we are really missing. Definitely need a better small forward though even if that means Morris moves to second fiddle.
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Those stats are misleading. Just watched the replay. Morro was great.
Disagree. He was pretty good but the Walters and Ballantyne showed me what we are really missing. Definitely need a better small forward though even if that means Morris moves to second fiddle.
No poo we need a classy goal sneak small forward, but as a defensive forward (who also presents and links up) Morro was very good last night.
I think Morro in combination with a Walters type would be a good mix.
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Those stats are misleading. Just watched the replay. Morro was great.
Disagree. He was pretty good but the Walters and Ballantyne showed me what we are really missing. Definitely need a better small forward though even if that means Morris moves to second fiddle.
No poo we need a classy goal sneak small forward,
Then why are you disagreeing with me?
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To remain somewhat positive, i would have to say he's working on it....
but like I said, his finishing isn't there.
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Don't know about everyone here but at this point in time I am more than happy to see Morro create mayhem on our forward line...he is a human wrecking ball
better havoc in our forward line, than our backline
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Does some great hard work.
Creates more pressure and causes more opposition turn overs than any other Tiger player.
VERY important player for us and does EXACTLY what he is suppose to.
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Bull at a gate, although we have to play like we did for it to have affect.
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at least one of Walters goals and several of his FF were results of head ducking BS that were should of been play on, tackle free to us or ball ups but the umps were being biased arseholes and only paying the new rule against us.
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I respect the fact he plays every game like it's his last.
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Don't know about everyone here but at this point in time I am more than happy to see Morro create mayhem on our forward line...he is a human wrecking ball
I don't want to be a stickler after a great win but the problem is for me is that last night was a very good game from Steve. For him to play this small forward role successfully i think he has to play a very good game every week. As soon as he slips below that he becomes a liability.
His pressure has improved and he seems to have more of an idea as to where to run forward of centre. However, I can't ignore the fact he is averaging 7.5 disposals and 0.4 goals a game.
I also thought he looked best when he moved back in the last quarter.
Pretty much this.
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Don't know about everyone here but at this point in time I am more than happy to see Morro create mayhem on our forward line...he is a human wrecking ball
I don't want to be a stickler after a great win but the problem is for me is that last night was a very good game from Steve. For him to play this small forward role successfully i think he has to play a very good game every week. As soon as he slips below that he becomes a liability.
His pressure has improved and he seems to have more of an idea as to where to run forward of centre. However, I can't ignore the fact he is averaging 7.5 disposals and 0.4 goals a game.
I also thought he looked best when he moved back in the last quarter.
Pretty much this.
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Those stats are misleading. Just watched the replay. Morro was great.
Disagree. He was pretty good but the Walters and Ballantyne showed me what we are really missing. Definitely need a better small forward though even if that means Morris moves to second fiddle.
No poo we need a classy goal sneak small forward,
Then why are you disagreeing with me?
you wot m8?
I just disagreed with your comment that Morro's game was just OK. That's all.
Then you turned it into some discussion about what type of player we need (a classy small goal kicker) which i agree with. Morris is a defensive forward who can drop back and play in defence when needed, as he did last night. In this role he was v good last night, as most people agree. That doesn't mean i cant also think that we need a Walters type.
Geez you have made this way more complicated than it should be. Lets move the stuff on.
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Solid game, great pressure, but I agree he's still best used as a small defender. Definitely learning the forward role week by week though. You can see him improving.
To put things in perspective again, Melbourne picked up Jeff Garlett last year. A player I really wanted RFC to pursue as a proven goal-kicker. Has played 9 games and kicked 18.20 this year. Not super accurate but he's hitting the board and getting plenty of shots at a poo club.
Garlett + Pick 83
for
Pick 61 and Pick 79
So they basically paid pick 57ish, start of 4th round.
MUST be a target out there for the next trade period...
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Solid game, great pressure, but I agree he's still best used as a small defender. Definitely learning the forward role week by week though. You can see him improving.
To put things in perspective again, Melbourne picked up Jeff Garlett last year. A player I really wanted RFC to pursue as a proven goal-kicker. Has played 9 games and kicked 18.20 this year. Not super accurate but he's hitting the board and getting plenty of shots at a poo club.
Garlett + Pick 83
for
Pick 61 and Pick 79
So they basically paid pick 57ish, start of 4th round.
MUST be a target out there for the next trade period...
What about Jake Neade from Port?
Doesn't seem to be in their best 22 at the minute but from whatever seen he could be worth a look. Thoughts?
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Solid game, great pressure, but I agree he's still best used as a small defender. Definitely learning the forward role week by week though. You can see him improving.
To put things in perspective again, Melbourne picked up Jeff Garlett last year. A player I really wanted RFC to pursue as a proven goal-kicker. Has played 9 games and kicked 18.20 this year. Not super accurate but he's hitting the board and getting plenty of shots at a poo club.
Garlett + Pick 83
for
Pick 61 and Pick 79
So they basically paid pick 57ish, start of 4th round.
MUST be a target out there for the next trade period...
Let's see Garletts numbers in another season or 2
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you wot m8?
I just disagreed with your comment that Morro's game was just OK. That's all.
Then you turned it into some discussion about what type of player we need (a classy small goal kicker) which i agree with. Morris is a defensive forward who can drop back and play in defence when needed, as he did last night. In this role he was v good last night, as most people agree. That doesn't mean i cant also think that we need a Walters type.
Geez you have made this way more complicated than it should be. Lets move the stuff on.
My original point was that we need a better small, not that he didn't play well but looks like we are on the same page :thumbsup
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Solid game, great pressure, but I agree he's still best used as a small defender. Definitely learning the forward role week by week though. You can see him improving.
To put things in perspective again, Melbourne picked up Jeff Garlett last year. A player I really wanted RFC to pursue as a proven goal-kicker. Has played 9 games and kicked 18.20 this year. Not super accurate but he's hitting the board and getting plenty of shots at a poo club.
Garlett + Pick 83
for
Pick 61 and Pick 79
So they basically paid pick 57ish, start of 4th round.
MUST be a target out there for the next trade period...
Let's see Garletts numbers in another season or 2
You could say that all day long. 116 games and 201 goals isn't enough to convince you?
He's had one poor year in his career so far. Eventually his form will drop but over time he's playing very well LOL
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Definitely his best game for the year.
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Solid game, great pressure, but I agree he's still best used as a small defender. Definitely learning the forward role week by week though. You can see him improving.
To put things in perspective again, Melbourne picked up Jeff Garlett last year. A player I really wanted RFC to pursue as a proven goal-kicker. Has played 9 games and kicked 18.20 this year. Not super accurate but he's hitting the board and getting plenty of shots at a poo club.
Garlett + Pick 83
for
Pick 61 and Pick 79
So they basically paid pick 57ish, start of 4th round.
MUST be a target out there for the next trade period...
Let's see Garletts numbers in another season or 2
You could say that all day long. 116 games and 201 goals isn't enough to convince you?
He's had one poor year in his career so far. Eventually his form will drop but over time he's playing very well LOL
It's also quickly forgotten that he wasn't in Carltons best 22 last year either.
The guys a downhill skier and would have become out new wiping boy in a heart beat!
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Solid game, great pressure, but I agree he's still best used as a small defender. Definitely learning the forward role week by week though. You can see him improving.
To put things in perspective again, Melbourne picked up Jeff Garlett last year. A player I really wanted RFC to pursue as a proven goal-kicker. Has played 9 games and kicked 18.20 this year. Not super accurate but he's hitting the board and getting plenty of shots at a poo club.
Garlett + Pick 83
for
Pick 61 and Pick 79
So they basically paid pick 57ish, start of 4th round.
MUST be a target out there for the next trade period...
Let's see Garletts numbers in another season or 2
You could say that all day long. 116 games and 201 goals isn't enough to convince you?
He's had one poor year in his career so far. Eventually his form will drop but over time he's playing very well LOL
It's also quickly forgotten that he wasn't in Carltons best 22 last year either.
The guys a downhill skier and would have become out new wiping boy in a heart beat!
Come on!
He wasn't in Carlton's side last year because Mick had put a line through his name due to other reasons not his ability. He is playing in a very average side and doing really well, so to say he is a downhill skier is a tad harsh. He can play and we made a mistake not having a crack at him. If you had the choice between him and Lloyd who would you want as a small forward in your side?
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Neither would look for someone else
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Solid game, great pressure, but I agree he's still best used as a small defender. Definitely learning the forward role week by week though. You can see him improving.
To put things in perspective again, Melbourne picked up Jeff Garlett last year. A player I really wanted RFC to pursue as a proven goal-kicker. Has played 9 games and kicked 18.20 this year. Not super accurate but he's hitting the board and getting plenty of shots at a poo club.
Garlett + Pick 83
for
Pick 61 and Pick 79
So they basically paid pick 57ish, start of 4th round.
MUST be a target out there for the next trade period...
Let's see Garletts numbers in another season or 2
You could say that all day long. 116 games and 201 goals isn't enough to convince you?
He's had one poor year in his career so far. Eventually his form will drop but over time he's playing very well LOL
It's also quickly forgotten that he wasn't in Carltons best 22 last year either.
The guys a downhill skier and would have become out new wiping boy in a heart beat!
Come on!
He wasn't in Carlton's side last year because Mick had put a line through his name due to other reasons not his ability. He is playing in a very average side and doing really well, so to say he is a downhill skier is a tad harsh. He can play and we made a mistake not having a crack at him. If you had the choice between him and Lloyd who would you want as a small forward in your side?
You are correct. Garlett would be preferable to Lloyd. However, I would have preferred playing Butler to both. Unfortunately he has had a nasty knee injury that has destroyed his season. Nobody could have foreseen that.
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1 bad season and he's written off lol (Garlett).
Malthouse sure did a good job at Carlton hey?
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Solid game, great pressure, but I agree he's still best used as a small defender. Definitely learning the forward role week by week though. You can see him improving.
To put things in perspective again, Melbourne picked up Jeff Garlett last year. A player I really wanted RFC to pursue as a proven goal-kicker. Has played 9 games and kicked 18.20 this year. Not super accurate but he's hitting the board and getting plenty of shots at a poo club.
Garlett + Pick 83
for
Pick 61 and Pick 79
So they basically paid pick 57ish, start of 4th round.
MUST be a target out there for the next trade period...
Let's see Garletts numbers in another season or 2
You could say that all day long. 116 games and 201 goals isn't enough to convince you?
He's had one poor year in his career so far. Eventually his form will drop but over time he's playing very well LOL
It's also quickly forgotten that he wasn't in Carltons best 22 last year either.
The guys a downhill skier and would have become out new wiping boy in a heart beat!
Come on!
He wasn't in Carlton's side last year because Mick had put a line through his name due to other reasons not his ability. He is playing in a very average side and doing really well, so to say he is a downhill skier is a tad harsh. He can play and we made a mistake not having a crack at him. If you had the choice between him and Lloyd who would you want as a small forward in your side?
You are correct. Garlett would be preferable to Lloyd. However, I would have preferred playing Butler to both. Unfortunately he has had a nasty knee injury that has destroyed his season. Nobody could have foreseen that.
We could have both YBB, both vying for the same spot. Although one has definite runs on the board the other is a 50/50 at best.
All moot now though, I hope we can find a damaging small forward soon though, with the amount of marks Griff drops there is plenty of crumbs.... Only joking mate :thumbsup
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Solid game, great pressure, but I agree he's still best used as a small defender. Definitely learning the forward role week by week though. You can see him improving.
To put things in perspective again, Melbourne picked up Jeff Garlett last year. A player I really wanted RFC to pursue as a proven goal-kicker. Has played 9 games and kicked 18.20 this year. Not super accurate but he's hitting the board and getting plenty of shots at a poo club.
Garlett + Pick 83
for
Pick 61 and Pick 79
So they basically paid pick 57ish, start of 4th round.
MUST be a target out there for the next trade period...
Let's see Garletts numbers in another season or 2
You could say that all day long. 116 games and 201 goals isn't enough to convince you?
He's had one poor year in his career so far. Eventually his form will drop but over time he's playing very well LOL
It's also quickly forgotten that he wasn't in Carltons best 22 last year either.
The guys a downhill skier and would have become out new wiping boy in a heart beat!
Come on!
He wasn't in Carlton's side last year because Mick had put a line through his name due to other reasons not his ability. He is playing in a very average side and doing really well, so to say he is a downhill skier is a tad harsh. He can play and we made a mistake not having a crack at him. If you had the choice between him and Lloyd who would you want as a small forward in your side?
You are correct. Garlett would be preferable to Lloyd. However, I would have preferred playing Butler to both. Unfortunately he has had a nasty knee injury that has destroyed his season. Nobody could have foreseen that.
We could have both YBB, both vying for the same spot. Although one has definite runs on the board the other is a 50/50 at best.
All moot now though, I hope we can find a damaging small forward soon though, with the amount of marks Griff drops there is plenty of crumbs.... Only joking mate :thumbsup
:thumbsup
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Feel people are holding a lot of hope on Butler based on very little. I hope he becomes a star but gee wiz I'd want to see him do something before I start calling for him to get a game let alone become a damaging small forward (yes I know he's been injured)
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Feel people are holding a lot of hope on Butler based on very little. I hope he becomes a star but gee wiz I'd want to see him do something before I start calling for him to get a game let alone become a damaging small forward (yes I know he's been injured)
it would be nice when the camera pans to the richmond forward line
if a martin or deledio or cotchin were the one standing between the key forward - no disrespect to morris
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another great game... :banghead
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Solid game, great pressure, but I agree he's still best used as a small defender. Definitely learning the forward role week by week though. You can see him improving.
To put things in perspective again, Melbourne picked up Jeff Garlett last year. A player I really wanted RFC to pursue as a proven goal-kicker. Has played 9 games and kicked 18.20 this year. Not super accurate but he's hitting the board and getting plenty of shots at a poo club.
Garlett + Pick 83
for
Pick 61 and Pick 79
So they basically paid pick 57ish, start of 4th round.
MUST be a target out there for the next trade period...
Let's see Garletts numbers in another season or 2
You could say that all day long. 116 games and 201 goals isn't enough to convince you?
He's had one poor year in his career so far. Eventually his form will drop but over time he's playing very well LOL
It's also quickly forgotten that he wasn't in Carltons best 22 last year either.
The guys a downhill skier and would have become out new wiping boy in a heart beat!
LOL In fact hilarious. Morris over Garlett sheesh. There isnt even a competition.It really is Garlett then day light and that goes for any potential sml/med forward we have. Any thinking person would be wrapped with Garlett.
He wasnt in Carltons best 22 last yr because he chose not to be. He clearly did not want to be there. You know a blind man could see that.Ive heard it all with him now. the last excuse i read was he had eddie to prop him up and eddie left and he had a bad yr. Only an imbecile would think that way.
LOL hes going to drop away not on your life hes 25 yrs old and just entering his prime.
Ireally would like to see some of you apply the same sort standard to the likes of Griffiths and Vickery boy if little Jeff Garlett is a down hill skier what the hell is Vickery and big ben.
Big Tone may be accused of applying one standard to our players he likes and another to our players he dislikes but bloody hell he has nothing on some of you lot when it comes to opposition players.
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Feel people are holding a lot of hope on Butler based on very little. I hope he becomes a star but gee wiz I'd want to see him do something before I start calling for him to get a game let alone become a damaging small forward (yes I know he's been injured)
Is there anything surprising about that. It happens with just about every player who dons a richmond jumper. We dont need a proven 40 - 45 goal a year smal fwd we have a kid taken at pick whats that i hear 67 lol. Only richmond people can be so stupid.
As BT says why not both its not as if we are or were overflowing with quality small forwards. Bloody hilarious, it was and is still so dire that we try to turn a hack in morris into something he can never be.
Seems to me we like our battlers and all of the negative nellies had better shut their mouths.
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Solid game, great pressure, but I agree he's still best used as a small defender. Definitely learning the forward role week by week though. You can see him improving.
To put things in perspective again, Melbourne picked up Jeff Garlett last year. A player I really wanted RFC to pursue as a proven goal-kicker. Has played 9 games and kicked 18.20 this year. Not super accurate but he's hitting the board and getting plenty of shots at a poo club.
Garlett + Pick 83
for
Pick 61 and Pick 79
So they basically paid pick 57ish, start of 4th round.
MUST be a target out there for the next trade period...
Let's see Garletts numbers in another season or 2
You could say that all day long. 116 games and 201 goals isn't enough to convince you?
He's had one poor year in his career so far. Eventually his form will drop but over time he's playing very well LOL
It's also quickly forgotten that he wasn't in Carltons best 22 last year either.
The guys a downhill skier and would have become out new wiping boy in a heart beat!
LOL In fact hilarious. Morris over Garlett sheesh. There isnt even a competition.It really is Garlett then day light and that goes for any potential sml/med forward we have. Any thinking person would be wrapped with Garlett.
He wasnt in Carltons best 22 last yr because he chose not to be. He clearly did not want to be there. You know a blind man could see that.Ive heard it all with him now. the last excuse i read was he had eddie to prop him up and eddie left and he had a bad yr. Only an imbecile would think that way.
LOL hes going to drop away not on your life hes 25 yrs old and just entering his prime.
Ireally would like to see some of you apply the same sort standard to the likes of Griffiths and Vickery boy if little Jeff Garlett is a down hill skier what the hell is Vickery and big ben.
Big Tone may be accused of applying one standard to our players he likes and another to our players he dislikes but bloody hell he has nothing on some of you lot when it comes to opposition players.
The truth of the matter is the club didn't pick Garlett because of his off field behaviour. They did not want to put a bad egg in with the youth. Yes, he would have been handy but that is now history. The club made the call and we have to move on. I've spoken to a couple of guys that watch the juniors and they both thought Butler was an astute pick and a bargain at 67. Too bad he has been injured. I wish the boy all the best getting over his knee injury. Not saying he is the best thing since sliced bread but he potentially does fill a void in our team.
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Morris on 3aw said he was dropped because he wasn't hitting the scoreboard as much as he should playing forward and he's gone back to the VFL to regain some confidence playing back in defence and getting his hands on the footy.
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Will he then be put back forward in the AFL :huh
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Will he then be put back forward in the AFL :huh
They asked Morro about that and whether his position is forward or defence in the AFL side and he didn't really answer it. He just said he has to work hard on the things he has to in the VFL and bust the door down to create an opening back in the AFL side.
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Vlastuin is an absolute general down back
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Rubbish. :banghead
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Wasn't sighted before half time, was worse than crap in the 3rd.
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Weirdly did his job without getting the ball. Yarran had a crap night and did nothing as well.
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Vlastuin is an absolute general down back
Absolutely
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3 handballs for an entire game just doesn't cut it.
He wasn't on Yarran all night...,
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He was absolute crap, the worst performance from any player this year in our team. Was all out of sorts creating free kicks and jumping around like a live rabbit on a greyhound lure, with the end being the inevitable.
Pathetic and not up to it, must be removed from the leadership group now and left in the two's until the end of the season where we might be able to trade him for the feast meal at KFC.
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Vlastuin is an absolute general down back
X2
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He was absolute crap, the worst performance from any player this year in our team. Was all out of sorts creating free kicks and jumping around like a live rabbit on a greyhound lure, with the end being the inevitable.
Pathetic and not up to it, must be removed from the leadership group now and left in the two's until the end of the season where we might be able to trade him for the feast meal at KFC.
Kept Yarram down to season low possessions
Don't know what you want him to do
Played his role
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He was absolute crap, the worst performance from any player this year in our team. Was all out of sorts creating free kicks and jumping around like a live rabbit on a greyhound lure, with the end being the inevitable.
Pathetic and not up to it, must be removed from the leadership group now and left in the two's until the end of the season where we might be able to trade him for the feast meal at KFC.
Kept Yarram down to season low possessions
Don't know what you want him to do
Played his role
Dead set crap, he didn't even spend the entire night on Yarren, people need to stop making excuses for the fumbling bumbling fool.
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He was absolute crap, the worst performance from any player this year in our team. Was all out of sorts creating free kicks and jumping around like a live rabbit on a greyhound lure, with the end being the inevitable.
Pathetic and not up to it, must be removed from the leadership group now and left in the two's until the end of the season where we might be able to trade him for the feast meal at KFC.
disagree, he was intense and got his job done morris>>newman
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He was absolute crap, the worst performance from any player this year in our team. Was all out of sorts creating free kicks and jumping around like a live rabbit on a greyhound lure, with the end being the inevitable.
Pathetic and not up to it, must be removed from the leadership group now and left in the two's until the end of the season where we might be able to trade him for the feast meal at KFC.
Kept Yarram down to season low possessions
Don't know what you want him to do
Played his role
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As he did in game 1.
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I don't know if many people go to the game and watch
But most of the night in out forward 50 Morris was on Yarran and Buckley thus releasing one of our forwards to be the extra at the stoppages
Please watch the game
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Problem has been and continues to be the fact he gives away stupid free kicks at crucial times due to his kamikaze actions
Frustrates the hell out of me
And yes he did what he was supposed to in shutting down Yarran but gee it would be helpful if he got the pill and hurt sides the other way
He doesn't and that's the other issue
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3 handballs for an entire game just doesn't cut it.
He wasn't on Yarran all night...,
This.
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while he kept his opponents quiet and his attack at the contest has the opposition second guessing, he still needs to get hold of the pill a bit more.
In saying that, he contributed more, so much more, than newman, who only picked up late possessions across half back, presumably playing loose?
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Weirdly did his job without getting the ball. Yarran had a crap night and did nothing as well.
Helped by the fact Yarran was having a bad day. Would much rather a damaging player make Yarran accountable as he isn't a great defender
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I agree with some that think he played his roll in keeping Yarram quiet.
But IMO I think he is better suited down back. He was never a big possession getter so I'm not sure why people think that was going to change just because he was playing forward.
We need more dangerous forwards than Morris. Guys that can actually hit the scoreboard and help Jack.
I'd move Houli to a wing for a period of time as he is by far our worst defender and move Morris to his back flank.
Houli's best asset is his kicking so let him kick inside 50 as we have struggle with that of late.
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so replace a player off half back, whose best asset is his kicking with one whose kicking is a weakness ?
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so replace a player off half back, whose best asset is his kicking with one whose kicking is a weakness ?
Did I stutter!
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Houli should be dropped for a c Ellis or Lennon
Ideally tralor, Dangerfield
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so replace a player off half back, whose best asset is his kicking with one whose kicking is a weakness ?
Did I stutter!
just wanted to confirm your line of ...."thought"
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so replace a player off half back, whose best asset is his kicking with one whose kicking is a weakness ?
With Grimes, Rance and Vlastuin I think we have plenty of run and carry.
I'd prefer Morris as our stopper than Houli even though he doesn't get much of the footy. At least he can defend and I'm pretty sure that the main objective as a defender.
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Morris can't kick
Houli is a bit of a squib
Drop them both?
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So Morris was sent back to the VFL to learn how to find the ball. He was then recalled to the seniors without even proving what he was meant to and then he gets 3 disposals in a game and we are supposed to accept that? Not his fault he was recalled into the side but it's pathetic and he deserves to get dropped
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Houli's main role is not as stopper, it is as a release player off half back.
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Morris doesn't get the footy enough to worry about his kicking.
What he does do is stop the oppositions best small forward. I don't think most would disagree with that, not even Al.
And most good sides have decent small forwards.
Finals footy is tight and tough, do you think Houli would stand up on Ballantyne or Walters and keep them quiet?
Houli may get 20 touches but if either of Ballantyne or Walters kick 4 goals, we loose the game.
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Houli's main role is not as stopper, it is as a release player off half back.
He needs to defend first!
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So Morris was sent back to the VFL to learn how to find the ball. He was then recalled to the seniors without even proving what he was meant to and then he gets 3 disposals in a game and we are supposed to accept that? Not his fault he was recalled into the side but it's pathetic and he deserves to get dropped
He is not a forward, in either the senior side or at reserves level. Play him back then his 3 touches wouldn't be an issue as he is a stopper.
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Morris doesn't get the footy enough to worry about his kicking.
What he does do is stop the oppositions best small forward. I don't think most would disagree with that, not even Al.
And most good sides have decent small forwards.
Finals footy is tight and tough, do you think Houli would stand up on Ballantyne or Walters and keep them quiet?
Houli may get 20 touches but if either of Ballantyne or Walters kick 4 goals, we loose the game.
so you play him as a lock down defender on the most dangerous small forward, you dont swap him with a player whose main role is to get loose and use his foot skills to set up attack from half back
Houli's main role is not as stopper, it is as a release player off half back.
He needs to defend first!
you do know that teams try to create a loose man in defense as often as possible, so that someone can play this exact role? In our case that someone is houli, as much as possible.
it's not 70s footy any more!
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Given he also thinks you can still get away with sitting unfit full-forwards in the square all day, I'd suggest it is still very much the 70's in big note's world.
No wonder Coburg got flogged every week under Jade the Blade....
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2017: Deledio, B.Ellis, Martin, McIntosh, Morris
2019: Rance, Riewoldt
2020: Cotchin
hes done well to get a contract that long
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Given he also thinks you can still get away with sitting unfit full-forwards in the square all day, I'd suggest it is still very much the 70's in big note's world.
No wonder Coburg got flogged every week under Jade the Blade....
you can if its riewoldt. playing on troy
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lol never heard riewoldt described as unfit.
the unfit stay at home full forward would be the ideal matchup for the lumbering chaplin.
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lol never heard riewoldt described as unfit.
the unfit stay at home full forward would be the ideal matchup for the lumbering chaplin.
injury Penelope, obviously. worse than unfit my boy
nick only played cause his sister died. he hurt him self again (3rd quarter? the injury he carried into the game) and was moved to FF
the first time saints had a forward line, instead of 18 in the back 50. And kicked 6 or so on the trot - rapid fire. Coincidental, all-round, no doubt
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he still didnt play the plonk in the goal square role, plonker
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Morris in next week. Must play on Rioli or Puopolo
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Morris in next week. Must play on Rioli or Puopolo
makes sense
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Morris in next week. Must play on Rioli or Puopolo
Nup, he's a forward now ::) :lol
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Morris in next week. Must play on Rioli or Puopolo
makes sense
Crap. Rioli will kill kim, he will kick a bag, 6+. Leave Morris where he is playing his best football.... OUT of the side.
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Morris in next week. Must play on Rioli or Puopolo
makes sense
Crap. Rioli will kill kim, he will kick a bag, 6+. Leave Morris where he is playing his best football.... OUT of the side.
Maintain Morris always has been a good lock down defender and very unlikely Rioli would get off his leash
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Morris = NO
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unleash the Conca on Rioli
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Played his normal role and played it very well. I am happy he is playing even if i am on my own. Hard :thumbsup
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Much needed return to form from Stevie , played an old fashioned BP role, kept his eyes on the footy rather than his opponent and guess what , he dominated :shh
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Much needed return to form from Stevie , played an old fashioned BP role, kept his eyes on the footy rather than his opponent and guess what , he dominated :shh
Dominated? :nope
Having been pre match about the game plan and the back sixes roles, he certainly didn't dominate
He was Ok
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You really should pay more attention to the quote below your avatar WP. :shh
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Was better as a defender. Still overplays situations and renders himself useless in too many contests. His skills coming out of defence are also a liability.
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back to the magoos
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Played one of his best games for RFC I thought. Couple of stuff ups but gee Cotchin was worse by foot yesterday IMO.
Morris keeps his spot on the back of a performance like that. Put him on Jamie Eliot next week :D
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Who is this pillick on today, if its Elliot he is getting flogged???
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12 minutes into the second qtr and Morris has 3 possessions more than Lennon....oh, hang on, Lennon is the sub... :snidegrin :snidegrin :snidegrin
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Who is this pillick on today, if its Elliot he is getting flogged???
Wasn't Morris
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Not sure who he is on.
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They just called it. Morris has been on Elliot....
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They just called it. Morris has been on Elliot....
He got moved to him and slowed him down. Giving Morris big wrap on the radio on the drive home for the job he did
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Think Hunt was on him early
Regardless , Elliott had 13 possies and kicked 1 goal after being really lively early.
Good work Morris
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had a good game as a lock down defender, which his his strength
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He is a better defender than defensive forward.
Tigers keep it that way. :thumbsup
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This guy has brainwashed a lot of you. Wait for the big finals when he stuffs up as per usual...
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you are just blinded by your hate, again
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He's coverage, at best, at this stage. Not in our best 22, but I love his endeavor and effort for the club!
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I call him, "Stumbles"
idiots never on his feet
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you are just blinded by your hate, again
Please read the above two comments as they are spot on.
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:lol
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44 spots or something on the list
enough room for Morris
maybe not best 22 but worth keeping around
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Stumbles
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Stumbles
:clapping
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44 spots or something on the list
enough room for Morris
maybe not best 22 but worth keeping around
Do they still cut up oranges at half time??
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BP is his go and well played again Steve :clapping
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BP is his go and well played again Steve :clapping
X2 :gotigers
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Thought he played okay against the Pies.
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No doubt he will look "good" against the Bombers too and keep the brainwashing cycle turning. :whistle
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Yes Wat, everyone's an idiot but you... :snidegrin
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Yes Wat, everyone's an idiot but you... :snidegrin
x 2
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Who is this pillick on today, if its Elliot he is getting flogged???
Vlaus started on him but :shh
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This guy has brainwashed a lot of you. Wait for the big finals when he stuffs up as per usual...
Al is right, you are brainwashed by your hatred. You even tried pinning the blame on Morris for letting Eddie Betts get loose, a game he wasn't even playing
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This guy has brainwashed a lot of you. Wait for the big finals when he stuffs up as per usual...
Al is right, you are brainwashed by your hatred. You even tried pinning the blame on Morris for letting Eddie Betts get loose, a game he wasn't even playing
Batch/Morris, take your pick, their both poo!!
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*they're
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This guy has brainwashed a lot of you. Wait for the big finals when he stuffs up as per usual...
Al is right, you are brainwashed by your hatred. You even tried pinning the blame on Morris for letting Eddie Betts get loose, a game he wasn't even playing
Batch/Morris, take your pick, their both poo!!
Wrong and wrong.
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*they're
not 'they are' when you have a Jake Bachelor obsession
belonging to or associated with the people or things previously mentioned or easily identified. - their could well be correct ;)
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THEY, they are, they're both crap, poo, hopeless. THERE!!!!!
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*they're
See Stalin's comments... :lol :lol :lol :lol :rollin :rollin :rollin.............you must be a teacher.... :lol :lol :lol
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Bents giving spelling and grammar lessons. Now I'm a bit concerned that the result yesterday is also part of an extended dream. :huh
Someone or something has definitely altered the axis of my universe in the past 24 hours. :help
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:lol
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:shh
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Anyone expect a call to be made here, one way or the other?
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Delist, try and blindfold another club and trade, try and turn into a tagger (get him fit as f over the pre-season) or leave him in the VFL with Thomas.
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Isn't he in the "leadership group"?
make the idiot captain of the VFL side
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Isn't he in the "leadership group"?
make the idiot captain of the VFL side
Yeah, go have a look at the thread on that, look at all the peanuts that said it was a great idea... :lol
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not sure if his a year left on contract???? don't think anyone would take him really lets be honest, I don't see a role for him moving forward they tried up forward and averaged what 4 touches and couple of tackles
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Pre season in the midfield if we have him for another year.
No transition - no career.
Simple.
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Isn't he in the "leadership group"?
make the idiot captain of the VFL side
one of troy chaplins lieutenants :clapping
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Hard as nails and something we lack considerably.
We need a couple of A grade pickups and he would fit in nicely in a grand final capable side!
All teams have their battlers that perform on the big stage, reckon Steve could be one.
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Hard as nails and something we lack considerably.
We need a couple of A grade pickups and he would fit in nicely in a grand final capable side!
All teams have their battlers that perform on the big stage, reckon Steve could be one.
Well said
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Watching Morris run around for Richmond in an AFL Grand Final.....(http://r31.imgfast.net/users/3115/50/25/04/smiles/3101536224.gif)
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How the stuff did conca get a game over Morris in a final
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How did Newman get three finals?
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How did Newman get three finals?
Sweet charity.
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Send him to Brissy
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Send him to Brissy
Newman?
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Stumbles has currency or not?
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Stevie would do all right at Melbourne. Just give him to them ....call it charity.
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Contracted
Wont' be going anywhere unless he agrees to a trade
That is of course if they put him up for trade
;D
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Stevie would do all right at Melbourne. Just give him to them ....call it charity.
Jeremy Howe straight swap.
Stevie and Harry O tearing it up for the Dees. ;D
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If Yarran and Bennell line up for us next year he'll struggle to get a game. Good luck Stevie
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If Yarran and Bennell line up for us next year he'll struggle to get a game. Good luck Stevie
Maybe he could hit the rec drugs for a while.
Kind of like a trading places deal.
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If Yarran and Bennell line up for us next year he'll struggle to get a game. Good luck Stevie
Maybe he could hit the rec drugs for a while.
Kind of like a trading places deal.
He loves doing the team thing. #playyourrole
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Hard as nails and something we lack considerably.
We need a couple of A grade pickups and he would fit in nicely in a grand final capable side!
All teams have their battlers that perform on the big stage, reckon Steve could be one.
Well said
Both posts, just..... :scream :scream :help :help
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Couldn't have done any worse than Hunt did in the role on Harvey.
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Hunt is Australian for Malaka
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Couldn't have done any worse than Hunt did in the role on Harvey.
I think you are right Smokey - but he would of been burnt by many on OER for only getting 3 kicks
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Couldn't have done any worse than Hunt did in the role on Harvey.
he wouldnt have taken short steps, something i saw hunt do on two occasions in that elim against north.
he can play the lock down defender, nothing else, and he does it well.
on a couple of occasions harvey got off the leash at stoppages in their forward line and hurt us. dont know who the stuff was on him because they were not in camera shot, but when he played that role it didnt happen with morris's opponent to often
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Morris' football epitaph - "At least he wasn't as bad as Taylor Hunt."
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:lol
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Give me Morris ahead of that squib hunt any day and now he will another squib to complement him from princess park
Goody
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at least with yarran you know he's a squib - thats outside players, always has been, always will be.
Hunt was supposed the hard and tough, a limited hack who made up for it in other ways. you dont expect this type of bloke to squib it
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Whats next for stevey???. Well it should be an immediate delisting. But wait he is contracted until 2017 i think. Our supporters just love mediocre players, especially those that have a real dip even more so. Unfortunately the club seems to have this mentality as well.
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what a load of absolute bollocks Claw..our supporters do not love mediocre players.Our supporters want what is best for the club.However they do not profess from mount Olympus like some do that their word is gospel
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what a load of absolute bollocks Claw..our supporters do not love mediocre players.Our supporters want what is best for the club.However they do not profess from mount Olympus like some do that their word is gospel
Mate i have had so many debates about Morris with our supporters it is stupid. The vast majority of them have all sung his praises.
Granted this site is a little different as it is one of the more honest ones. I wasn't just talking about footy forums or this site in particular so apologies.
Maybe i should have phrased it thus, Too many of our supporters fall in love with mediocre players.
Who thinks their opinion is more important than others??? . Not me. I voice an opinion and i go hard every time in trying to back that opinion up. In this case that opinion is Morris is A BUM, should not have been given the contract he got and too many of our supporters back in mediocre players IMO of course..
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i have absolutely no issue expressing your opinion claw ,in fact i always read your pieces..What got my gander up was the apparent belittling of the supporter base..However your clarification is acknowledged
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Welcome back crawski- you've been missed like an Amdrew Bolt rant from the Hun
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what a load of absolute bollocks Claw..our supporters do not love mediocre players.Our supporters want what is best for the club.However they do not profess from mount Olympus like some do that their word is gospel
Mate i have had so many debates about Morris with our supporters it is stupid. The vast majority of them have all sung his praises.
Granted this site is a little different as it is one of the more honest ones. I wasn't just talking about footy forums or this site in particular so apologies.
Maybe i should have phrased it thus, Too many of our supporters fall in love with mediocre players.
Who thinks their opinion is more important than others??? . Not me. I voice an opinion and i go hard every time in trying to back that opinion up. In this case that opinion is Morris is A BUM, should not have been given the contract he got and too many of our supporters back in mediocre players IMO of course..
It's the woefully run clubs fault, not the simple minded supporters who blindly support the unprofessional decisions made by the club with professional regularity.
Conca, Ellis, Grigg, Hunt, Morris, are all VFL players with a healthy relationship with the senior coach.
Chris Newman was carried for 3 years because the club felt he deserved to play finals....and lose. Lol.
Ivan brought a lot of the right stuff in his first two years but needs to relegated to second ruck but sadly Vickery or Griffiths are not up to it SO what do the club do?
They make a big play for another bloke who hasn't played much footy due to injury as both a junior and senior player.
Whilst fractionally commendable it's more a. Embarrassment that the club has played finals three years running without a true first/second ruck.
The blueprint is old and the bandaids have fallen off the gaping wounds, exposing a team that is structurally unsound.
The window has closed.
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what a load of absolute bollocks Claw..our supporters do not love mediocre players.Our supporters want what is best for the club.However they do not profess from mount Olympus like some do that their word is gospel
Mate i have had so many debates about Morris with our supporters it is stupid. The vast majority of them have all sung his praises.
Granted this site is a little different as it is one of the more honest ones. I wasn't just talking about footy forums or this site in particular so apologies.
Maybe i should have phrased it thus, Too many of our supporters fall in love with mediocre players.
Who thinks their opinion is more important than others??? . Not me. I voice an opinion and i go hard every time in trying to back that opinion up. In this case that opinion is Morris is A BUM, should not have been given the contract he got and too many of our supporters back in mediocre players IMO of course..
It's the woefully run clubs fault, not the simple minded supporters who blindly support the unprofessional decisions made by the club with professional regularity.
Conca, Ellis, Grigg, Hunt, Morris, are all VFL players with a healthy relationship with the senior coach.
Chris Newman was carried for 3 years because the club felt he deserved to play finals....and lose. Lol.
Ivan brought a lot of the right stuff in his first two years but needs to relegated to second ruck but sadly Vickery or Griffiths are not up to it SO what do the club do?
They make a big play for another bloke who hasn't played much footy due to injury as both a junior and senior player.
Whilst fractionally commendable it's more a. Embarrassment that the club has played finals three years running without a true first/second ruck.
The blueprint is old and the bandaids have fallen off the gaping wounds, exposing a team that is structurally unsound.
The window has closed.
Thats a pretty decent summation not a lot to argue with there. Only bit i disagree with is i dont think we have ever been in a premiership window since 1982.
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What rubbish . Typical Claw ....no where to be seen while Richmond are on a 13 - 3 run ....now after a finals loss you are back to peddling your doom and gloom propaganda and other trollish behaviour.
I think the majority of supporters are hurting this year because unlike the past three decades Richmond showed they were good enough . Certainly good enough to be playing this weekend .
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What rubbish . Typical Claw ....no where to be seen while Richmond are on a 13 - 3 run ....now after a finals loss you are back to peddling your doom and gloom propaganda and other trollish behaviour.
I think the majority of supporters are hurting this year because unlike the past three decades Richmond showed they were good enough . Certainly good enough to be playing this weekend .
perhaps they are delusional ?
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They showed they're good enough to Make finals. .
They have also showed us, Repeatedly, that they are nowhere near good enough to win A final.
On this alone the coach and several senior players should be cut.
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What rubbish . Typical Claw ....no where to be seen while Richmond are on a 13 - 3 run ....now after a finals loss you are back to peddling your doom and gloom propaganda and other trollish behaviour.
I think the majority of supporters are hurting this year because unlike the past three decades Richmond showed they were good enough . Certainly good enough to be playing this weekend .
Yep I used to think he was one of the only posters who would put forward his opinion in the good and bad days, but his form this year has been in the true form of some of our best Dr's
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They showed they're good enough to Make finals. .
They have also showed us, Repeatedly, that they are nowhere near good enough to win A final.
On this alone the coach and several senior players should be cut.
Yep. Continually surprised at how many people thought we were good enough this year to challenge. If we were good enough we wouldn't have gotten smashed by 35+ in contested ball in the biggest game of the year. This list is clearly not good enough.
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What rubbish . Typical Claw ....no where to be seen while Richmond are on a 13 - 3 run ....now after a finals loss you are back to peddling your doom and gloom propaganda and other trollish behaviour.
I think the majority of supporters are hurting this year because unlike the past three decades Richmond showed they were good enough . Certainly good enough to be playing this weekend .
What utter tripe. I have actually done what i said i would do.
After many arguments with others, and a disgruntlement with the way things were being run i came out and said i would not be a regular poster on here any more.I also said i would pop in every now and then, something that i have done. This would be about the fourth time ive been on here since making those statements. If you think im lying go ask WP im sure he can confirm what ive said.
Am i going to become a regular again. NOT LIKELY. I really cant be bothered putting up with posters like you.
Okay to your comments after haveing a crack at me.
Weren't the same supporters hurting last yr as well, and the year before that. Weren,t you flower sniffers saying back then we are good enough.
Get your head out of the bright sun bud, it is scrambling your brain. We werent good enough to be playing this week the loss to nm proves it. After finals we are officially 7th. hmm 18 sides that firmly makes us a middling side with out the ability to be better with the current list.In fact i am asking what real improvement has occured on field since 2012.
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I thought we would win the flag and took the 50-1 on offer early in season
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They showed they're good enough to Make finals. .
They have also showed us, Repeatedly, that they are nowhere near good enough to win A final.
On this alone the coach and several senior players should be cut.
Yep. Continually surprised at how many people thought we were good enough this year to challenge. If we were good enough we wouldn't have gotten smashed by 35+ in contested ball in the biggest game of the year. This list is clearly not good enough.
While we continue to have to "worry" about Richmond is going to show up each week, then we won't win a flag or be real contenders
Our depth is still a major concern.
That's how I look at/see it.
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They showed they're good enough to Make finals. .
They have also showed us, Repeatedly, that they are nowhere near good enough to win A final.
On this alone the coach and several senior players should be cut.
Yep. Continually surprised at how many people thought we were good enough this year to challenge. If we were good enough we wouldn't have gotten smashed by 35+ in contested ball in the biggest game of the year. This list is clearly not good enough.
While we continue to have to "worry" about Richmond is going to show up each week, then we won't win a flag or be real contenders
Our depth is still a major concern.
That's how I look at/see it.
Yes, starting round one next year we must go into games saying, we will win this and we do.
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Forget 2016 unless they score four guns from somewhere.
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They showed they're good enough to Make finals. .
They have also showed us, Repeatedly, that they are nowhere near good enough to win A final.
On this alone the coach and several senior players should be cut.
Yep. Continually surprised at how many people thought we were good enough this year to challenge. If we were good enough we wouldn't have gotten smashed by 35+ in contested ball in the biggest game of the year. This list is clearly not good enough.
While we continue to have to "worry" about Richmond is going to show up each week, then we won't win a flag or be real contenders
Our depth is still a major concern.
That's how I look at/see it.
Agree. Depth is a major worry. We were very fortunate with injuries this year. Agree attitude still a problem.
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Our depth of Ttitude is an issue, I agree.
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I'm going to back Steve in to be in our best 22 in 2016.
I think he is too competitive to just be a depth player and he is obviously a good leader and a great team man around the club.
We all know he has limited skill but what he lacks in that he more than makes up for in endeavour and toughness which if we are all honest with ourselves we have lacked for a long time.
DH tried him as a small forward this year and that didn't work but I still think there could be a spot as a run with player and also his old roll as a lock down small defender on the Betts types.
He needs to build his tank and maybe work on getting a bit more involved when we have the footy but I think he has talent and IMO those things can be worked on and are not as hard to achieve as trying to make someone tough or a better mark or kick.
I'd play him before Hunt for a start.
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I thought he played much better late in the season ( when he was playing in his rightful position).
He was really good in the Collingwood game .
But I just can't see how he will break into the best 22 now.
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:facepalm
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:facepalm
Morris > grigg
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He plays best on small forwards when he holds his feet
To the doubters, who does this job better?
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Vlastuin, deledio,
Sometimes Houli
Possibly Corey Ellis.
Morris would suited to tagger.
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Vlastuin, deledio,
Sometimes Houli
Possibly Corey Ellis.
Morris would suited to tagger.
Why put any of the above in a totally negative defensive role?
All possess creative playmaking skills
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It's a large handicap these days to carry a small / mid defender that's suspect rebound or kicking.
With respect to Morris. Who no doubt would be a superior tagger to grigg , in a position where kicking is less critical
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* I’ve been training in the back half and it’s fair to say I’m reasonably comfortable with that. It’s where I know I can play good footy and hopefully benefit the team at least a little bit better. So, it’s good to get back there.
* It’s something [adding more attack to his defensive game] I’ve definitely been working on in the pre-season. Hopefully that comes to fruition when we hit the games.
* I’ve actually run better times than I’ve ever run [this preseason]. From my point of view, I’m pretty happy where the body’s at and looking forward to getting a kick on the weekend against Freo rather than running around the oval as you do in preseason week after week, session after session. It’s going to be good fun with a young, enthusiastic team.
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God he's up to his best, throwing himself around like a fool... :lol
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Now he's stuffed the tackle up and come off second best :clapping
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Like omg
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Like omg
I know already...
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Like omg
What position will Morris be selected to play?
I hope he tags
Is Lennon confirmed as fit?
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He will play bench and jester. Will run out off the bench, throw himself all over the place giving away free kicks and turning the ball over and then back to the bench. Every team needs one of these versatile players....
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I'm as shocked as anyone to see Morris in the round 1 team.
But his last game against Collingwood ( 2015) was quite serviceable. He played in the backline , played within his limitations and provided quite a bit of run.
Hopefully he can play to the same standard tonight.
But gee wiz , can't believe he's playing.
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I thought he was going to be a lot better than he is, as he was ferocious at everything he did which is a great Tiger trait to have.
I do agree with previous posts saying that they would like to see him in a tagging role. In saying that he reminds me of Kelly and Libba.
Here's to hoping he does much better for himself and especially the team.
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He was finished once they bought in the sliding rule....
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He was finished once they bought in the sliding rule....
yep ///
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But apparently he's training the house down. Best preseason in the history of sport. :whistle
2 disposals.
But he's training the house down........
He's a fake! He's got faux toughness!
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Has pictures
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One word Hilarious.
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It's a shame but the game has well and truly gone past Morris.
He was excellent for about 2-3 years but has been a nothing player since the sliding rule. Time to move him on!
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It's a shame but the game has well and truly gone past Morris.
He was excellent for about 2-3 years but has been a nothing player since the sliding rule. Time to move him on!
It's not a shame that the game has gone past him, it's a shame that we continue to play him
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Chook with its head cut off, expends so much energy for so little end result or game impact. Really he must have some pretty good photos of the team selection panel in compromising positions to get picked. There is no doubting his effort but surely he is no more than a passenger in this side (we did have a lot of these last night). Would prefer to see Butler in the side than this pretender.
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I've stood up for him alot in the past and been hammered for it. But I generally agree. Game has gone him.
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Play him in the ruck
Just get him to run straight at the other ruckmans nuts, it would be the rucks nuts
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Could Castagna possibly offer less? Ridiculous selection.
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The good old days of Morris and the sliding rule were great
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Our most ineffective player last night and that's saying something. Games passed him
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Well I was actually hoping he could prove me wrong but geez. Very slow, couldn't read the play, was second guessing all night. Sorry but he is finished.
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Best thing I can say is that he makes a position for Lennon to step right in without having to drop Rioli or any other youngster. :whistle
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Best thing I can say is that he makes a position for Lennon to step right in without having to drop Rioli or any other youngster. :whistle
But Morris is a good mate of Hardwicks. You've got to be in the clique to get the pick ;)
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Thought he played back last night. Don't think we'd see Lennon come in for him.
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Should never play in a tigers jumper again!
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Should never play in a tigers jumper again!
Would be a good Vfl listed player
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Nothing player.
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Morris is like Justin Timberlake. You look at JT and wonder what girls see in him. It's the same with Morris and Hardwick.
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Sorry folks but this is the last time this bloke should play in this team!!!!! You are kidding if you think he is an AFL player.
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Townsend is another Morris
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If it wasn't our club it'll be hilarious that this bloke gets a game.
Opposition coaches must be peeing themselves.
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Seriously they must be peeing themselves on the ground watching him throwing himself at shadows and attacking himself... :lol
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Is there a record for the most metres gained by a player without them actually touching the ball because I think Morris has it in the bag, sorry but clearly scraping the bottom of the barrel with him in the side.
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He's funny to watch
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I'm done with this bloke. Honestly if he ever plays again we have no idea and neither does this club or the coaching panel.
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The worst player to pull on a Richmond jumper since Michael Laffy. WTF is Blair and co doing if they can't find an upgrade on his guy in 3 stuffen years. Get bloody serious for Geez sake Benny and sack these spuds
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Should have been a vfl listed player
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6 possessions with a pathetic display. Not up to it at all, can't be considered part of this team from this point on.
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Hunt gets more turnovers in a game than Morris gets touches
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What discernible asset did he going to the side that Castagna couldn't?
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Good old Stumbles never fails to disappoint.
Couldn't keep his feet if they were in a bag tied to his head
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But he's training the house down and deserves his spot :shh :whistle
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He gets a game under equal rights laws for mongaloids
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And albinos
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I've never seen an AFL player expend so much effort and desperation for so little output……. :whistle
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I've never seen an AFL player expend so much effort and desperation for so little output……. :whistle
Effort, he was having a fit.
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Credit where it's due after last night. This was possibly the best game I have seen him play. For once he looked like he was in the correct position. He was the most composed I have seen him, he went the ball first and not the player, winning many free kicks as a result and he did't flounder around like a fish on dry land.
Overall a good effort without getting too carried away, he needs to maintain that level now. :thumbsup
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Credit where it's due after last night. This was possibly the best game I have seen him play. For once he looked like he was in the correct position. He was the most composed I have seen him, he went the ball first and not the player, winning many free kicks as a result and he did't flounder around like a fish on dry land.
Overall a good effort without getting too carried away, he needs to maintain that level now. :thumbsup
Yep , best game in ages. Somehow against all odds finds himself back in the starting 22..
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Should have been a vfl listed player
Really
Back to his best last night
Played his role well
Amazing what happens when Grimes and Rance returns
Allows Steve to play to his ability
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Should have been a vfl listed player
Really
Back to his best last night
Played his role well
Amazing what happens when Grimes and Rance returns
Allows Steve to play to his ability
Amazing what happens when he is played in position he should have been in for the past two years...
Don't get too carried away..
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Credit where it's due after last night. This was possibly the best game I have seen him play. For once he looked like he was in the correct position. He was the most composed I have seen him, he went the ball first and not the player, winning many free kicks as a result and he did't flounder around like a fish on dry land.
Overall a good effort without getting too carried away, he needs to maintain that level now. :thumbsup
agree. His handpassing actually hit targets.
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He's still got another level in him :shh
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Was solid. Can't drop him which is unfortunate because he's not taking us forward.
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He's still got another level in him :shh
:biglaugh :facepalm
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Credit where it's due after last night. This was possibly the best game I have seen him play. For once he looked like he was in the correct position. He was the most composed I have seen him, he went the ball first and not the player, winning many free kicks as a result and he did't flounder around like a fish on dry land.
Overall a good effort without getting too carried away, he needs to maintain that level now. :thumbsup
agree. His handpassing actually hit targets.
Has been playing solid footy the past few weeks and was good last week. Last night was an outstanding performance as he does everything you want a team mate to do.
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Yeah best game for a while by his standards but he's not the future....
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No hes not, but in all fairness theres still a small defender position available and he's probably the best of a pretty poor lot. Just let him get back to basics which it looks like theyve done the past several weeks - no coincidence he's probably played his best game in about 18 months
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1 good game in 18 months, says it all really. Let's not get to carried away. Good game yes, leave it at that.
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He was fair last night but dreadfully awful against the Hawks and the previous games to that. Probably due for good one on a youngster. :rollin
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This has been his best game for a long time but he isn't the future.
I aim happy to give him games if he continues to play that way BUT he should be dropped if he plays badly. All players should be dropped if they play badly but we seem to reward some with senior game time continuously while others get dropped time and time again.
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"Effort without IQ mean nothing"
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Trade this year while he is worth a last round pick, maybe pick 115 or higher. Is only a stop gap measure at the moment, don't get caught up in his two good game hype in 3 years. Needs to go and soon.
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Very happy with his game last night. Showing composure :gobdrop
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Trade, if we can.
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He was good against Sydney and was good again.
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Trade, if we can.
No chance
But don't panic, the geniuses will give him a 3 year extension
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Trade, if we can.
No chance
But don't panic, the geniuses will give him a 3 year extension
:lol
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Trade, if we can.
Wont be traded
Last 4 weeks he has turned it all around
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Yeah he won't be traded - will be delisted at the end of next year when his contract is up...
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And now has trade value thanks to last four weeks
Richmond doesn't understand trading out to improve players or picks sadly
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Still won't have any trade value, might get a pick in the 80's or 90's if we're lucky....which we can then bundle up with other late picks up to clubs who need points for academy & F/S picks....but like you said, our list managers don't understand these things and therefore won't even consider it...
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And you geniuses on here do ?
Please spare me
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Yeah it's a complicated system here it goes:
You trade out a player, for a draft pick
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And you geniuses on here do ?
Please spare me
Yes because the club has so clearly demonstrated over the years that it knows when to let players go and when not to....
Yeah it's a complicated system here it goes:
You trade out a player, for a draft pick
Jack backs hacks - it's the main part of his troll shtick....
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He's like a taxi driver, doing jobs that ordinary footballers couldn't be fagged doing themselves.
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....and not being able to follow simple directions or take the most obvious route and getting lost half the time...
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Another who has improved, starting to get a few possessions, and take it on. He has stepped up in the last few weeks, I hope he keeps it up
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Capturing his good form of old :clapping
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Im an old man i know. But Does anyone around here remember the song called Signs by the masters apprentices i think. It went signs , signs , everywhere the signs.
All i get nowadays ringing thru me head when i watch this rabble is Duds !!! DUDs!!!!!! Freakin everywhere DUDS. FMD WHEN WILL IT END!!!!!!!!!.
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He's like a taxi driver, doing jobs that ordinary footballers couldn't be limpged doing themselves.
:lol
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Im an old man i know. But Does anyone around here remember the song called Signs by the masters apprentices i think. It went signs , signs , everywhere the signs.
All i get nowadays ringing thru me head when i watch this rabble is Duds !!! DUDs!!!!!! Freakin everywhere DUDS. FMD WHEN WILL IT END!!!!!!!!!.
Yeah Claw, I'm an old bugger & I know the song!
If we beat Norf you will need a new playlist, here's some suggestions from our era -
The Sounds Of Silence (Simon & Garfunkle)
Rack Orf Normie (Aunty Jack)
Smiley (Normie Rowe)
Orgone Accumulator (Hawkwind)
Who Do You Love? (Doors)
War Pigs (Black Sabbath) :whistle
Listen to the Sounds of Silence a few times if we win this thing ... ;D
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Im an old man i know. But Does anyone around here remember the song called Signs by the masters apprentices i think. It went signs , signs , everywhere the signs.
All i get nowadays ringing thru me head when i watch this rabble is Duds !!! DUDs!!!!!! Freakin everywhere DUDS. FMD WHEN WILL IT END!!!!!!!!!.
"Signs" was by a Canadian group called Five Man Electrical Band, not (The) Masters Apprentices.
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:sleep Can't we talk about Drake or Meghan Trainor
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I'm sure the Dolly website has a comments section for that...
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Do they have a forum? I reckon it'll be less hormonal and maintain a more balanced view than this place
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Do they have a forum? I reckon it'll be less hormonal and maintain a more balanced view than this place
Says he who listens to Drake and Meghan Trainor :lol :shh
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Do they have a forum? I reckon it'll be less hormonal and maintain a more balanced view than this place
Says he who listens to Drake and Meghan Trainor :lol :shh
Don't mind some of Drake's stuff tbh but don't get me started on Meghan Trainor.
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Wtf are u people talkin about
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Ling said he has been texting the Geelong doctor who saw the incident and the doc reckons the mechanism of the injury means Morris looks to have done an ACL.
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Thats no good, hate seeing players get injured.
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Let's hope he gets better soon and can still run and play with his kids. Tries his guts out.
If only we had the rest of those panty wearers with the same endeavour as Morris.
But I also hope he never plays for us again. I for one want to see the end of mediocrity at Richmond.
Let's hope more players are forced to retire too so we can finally get some guys who can actually play this game properly.
Let's get a recruiting team that know what they are doing.
Let's get a development team that know how to develop the players.
Let's get a coaching team that know how to coach a team & demands excellence.
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Dimma said Morro has done an ACL.
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Must be the end of Morris now, real shame to end his career like this but I can't see him coming back.
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Vfl listed player ...
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What can I say....
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Best thing thats happened to our list for years.
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No, sorry but I don't like seeing any players injured and particularly an injury that could be career ending, no dignity in that.
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Best thing thats happened to our list for years.
no class like no class you POS
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Best thing thats happened to our list for years.
It's not this guys fault for being picked by the club and played.
So don't celebrate his demise by injury.
If anything, I wish all our players played with the guts and determination he has. If they did, we wouldn't be where we are today. A guy with limited ability that got everything he had out of himself.
I wish him a speedy and comfortable recovery.
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Best thing thats happened to our list for years.
Flog post of the year
You should be banned for life you clown
Steve Morris bleeds yellow and black
You are just an A Hole
Delete the account mods
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Best thing thats happened to our list for years.
It's not this guys fault for being picked by the club and played.
So don't celebrate his demise by injury.
If anything, I wish all our players played with the guts and determination he has. If they did, we wouldn't be where we are today. A guy with limited ability that got everything he had out of himself.
I wish him a speedy and comfortable recovery.
:clapping
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Best thing thats happened to our list for years.
Flog post of the year
You should be banned for life you clown
Steve Morris bleeds yellow and black
You are just an A Hole
Delete the account mods
Waaaa
Waaaa
Waaaaaaa
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Best thing thats happened to our list for years.
POS go elsewhere
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Best thing thats happened to our list for years.
POS go elsewhere
I feel for Morris. Don't like to see anyone go down with a serious injury.
Doesn't mean that this isn't beneficial for us in the grand scheme of things...
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Not the most charming comments of all time
Yet often the truth is uncomfortable
I doubt this club will win a flag flying th everybody love everybody flag
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Best thing thats happened to our list for years.
It's not this guys fault for being picked by the club and played.
So don't celebrate his demise by injury.
Exactly, its not his fault he's picked its Hardwicks.
Morris is one of the favorites picked week in week out and has deserved to be dropped numerous times but doesn't, and it holds up the development of others.
Cant be picked now and others now get the opportunity they should've already had by now.
This has been his best game for a long time but he isn't the future.
I aim happy to give him games if he continues to play that way BUT he should be dropped if he plays badly. All players should be dropped if they play badly but we seem to reward some with senior game time continuously while others get dropped time and time again.
Hmmm..
Oh, and where am I celebrating Morris getting injured again?
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Best thing thats happened to our list for years.
Flog post of the year
You should be banned for life you clown
Steve Morris bleeds yellow and black
You are just an A Hole
Delete the account mods
Pull your pants up and give your mouth a go you dud.
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Best thing thats happened to our list for years.
Im not the guys biggest fan but that post is in the poorest of taste
Hate seeing anyome get injutpred espeically ome of our own
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Best thing thats happened to our list for years.
Im not the guys biggest fan but that post is in the poorest of taste
Hate seeing anyome get injutpred espeically ome of our own
Do you think he is in our best 22 and do you think he should've been selected the next week every time he had a bag kicked on him?
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Not the most charming comments of all time
Yet often the truth is uncomfortable
I doubt this club will win a flag flying th everybody love everybody flag
Agreed.
Also, calling for someone's account to be banned just because others don't agree with their view just shows peoplex inability to discuss issues on there merits.
Converesly, if what he said is so wrong then let's all give him a voice and let his comments naturally hang himself (if some believe he is so wrong)
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Best thing thats happened to our list for years.
Im not the guys biggest fan but that post is in the poorest of taste
Hate seeing anyome get injutpred espeically ome of our own
What about Conca WP?
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Best thing thats happened to our list for years.
Im not the guys biggest fan but that post is in the poorest of taste
Hate seeing anyome get injutpred espeically ome of our own
Do you think he is in our best 22 and do you think he should've been selected the next week every time he had a bag kicked on him?
I've made it very clear i don't think he is best 22 hasn't have for a whilr. I've been a huge critic, hate seeing him fall over at crucual crucial times and givojg away foolish free kicks.
But to say any player getting injured is a good thing for the club is in poor taste.
2 very separate issue I believe
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stuff him.
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Best thing thats happened to our list for years.
Im not the guys biggest fan but that post is in the poorest of taste
Hate seeing anyome get injutpred espeically ome of our own
What about Conca WP?
Hated seeing him get injured too.
But ACL are just the pits and especially feel for blokes who suffer them.
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Best thing thats happened to our list for years.
Im not the guys biggest fan but that post is in the poorest of taste
Hate seeing anyome get injutpred espeically ome of our own
What about Conca WP?
Conca is having a real hard go today. He has no support
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Best thing thats happened to our list for years.
Im not the guys biggest fan but that post is in the poorest of taste
Hate seeing anyome get injutpred espeically ome of our own
What about Conca WP?
Hated seeing him get injured too.
But ACL are just the pits and especially feel for blokes who suffer them.
Oh cmon.....
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Best thing thats happened to our list for years.
Im not the guys biggest fan but that post is in the poorest of taste
Hate seeing anyome get injutpred espeically ome of our own
What about Conca WP?
Hated seeing him get injured too.
But ACL are just the pits and especially feel for blokes who suffer them.
Oh cmon.....
Please, you asked and I'm giving you an aswer, my opinon
Just hate seeing anyome getting injured, especially ACL knowing how hard they are get back from
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Those who know Steve know that he is 100% bleeds yellow and black
His past month has been great
Some of the comments here are extremely poor
Hate to see any AFL player get injured from any club
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I've made it very clear i don't think he is best 22 hasn't have for a whilr. I've been a huge critic, hate seeing him fall over at crucual crucial times and givojg away foolish free kicks.
But to say any player getting injured is a good thing for the club is in poor taste.
2 very separate issue I believe
Thats where your wrong, this club is coached by Hardwick and he clearly plays those that do NOT deserve to be selected each week, the only way they get out
of the 1st's is through injury and that is the biggest flaw a coach can make.
From a LIST point of view does Hardwick choose the best side available?
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Those who know Steve know that he is 100% bleeds yellow and black
His past month has been great
Some of the comments here are extremely poor
Hate to see any AFL player get injured from any club
Not disputing he bleeds yellow and black one iota.
He is one that only makes his way out of the side through injury even after multiple bags are kicked on him.
I hate players getting injured too but I'm not going to push the facts to the side for the sake of sentiment.
The standard you put up with is the standard you deserve and we're getting our just deserve this year, same mistakes same results.
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Tell me who has kicked a bag on him
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Not the most charming comments of all time
Yet often the truth is uncomfortable
I doubt this club will win a flag flying th everybody love everybody flag
Agreed.
Also, calling for someone's account to be banned just because others don't agree with their view just shows peoplex inability to discuss issues on there merits.
Converesly, if what he said is so wrong then let's all give him a voice and let his comments naturally hang himself (if some believe he is so wrong)
Yep weak as water
I don't like what your saying. You must be banned.
Grow up gents
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Tell me who has kicked a bag on him
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Garlett,Impey, and Ballantyne off the top of my head.
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Not the most charming comments of all time
Yet often the truth is uncomfortable
I doubt this club will win a flag flying th everybody love everybody flag
I roll my eyes when he gets selected. But as someone else pointed out, its not his fault he's picked. He's one of the few whose endeavour I'd never question.
I don't think anyone is uncomfortable with the idea that Morris being out injured (or for any other reason) doesn't hurt our line-up that much.
Hate to see people taking some sort of vitriolic victory out a scenario like this. Not that I think the comments were overly in poor taste.
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Also, calling for someone's account to be banned just because others don't agree with their view just shows peoplex inability to discuss issues on there merits.
Also pretty sure it's a breach of the forum rules itself.....just sayin'....
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What worse than his injury is all you girls carrying on as though he's reading our posts.
Seriously, look at it as Gods will.
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What worse than his injury is all you girls carrying on as though he's reading our posts.
Seriously, look at it as Gods will.
He might be. McKenzie & Caro do :snidegrin
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What worse than his injury is all you girls carrying on as though he's reading our posts.
Seriously, look at it as Gods will.
I think theres something in this which needs further consideration.
Im not religious myself, BUT, if there is a god, and that god is all powerful and all knowing, wouldnt the injury to Morris be gods way of saying hes best not to play for us?
And who are we to question fate anyway?
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What worse than his injury is all you girls carrying on as though he's reading our posts.
Seriously, look at it as Gods will.
He might be. McKenzie & Caro do :snidegrin
:shh
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Morris' season over with ACL confirmed
richmondfc.com.au
June 5, 2016 4:10 PM
Scans have confirmed defender Steven Morris has ruptured the anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee during the first quarter of Friday night’s game against North Melbourne.
The injury will end the 27-year-old’s 2016 season, and he will undergo surgery in the coming weeks.
“The injury is disappointing for Steve, he’s a tough competitor and been playing great football this season,” Dan Richardson, Richmond’s General Manager of Football said.
“It’s never easy to see a player go down with a long-term injury, but Steve is a resilient person and we’ll support him throughout the rehab process.”
Ben Griffiths has a lateral ligament sprain in his right ankle, the Club will assess his improvement over the course of the week.
Defender Dylan Grimes was a late change in Friday night’s match after feeling hamstring soreness in the warm-up.
Grimes will need to train fully this week to be available to play in this Sunday’s match against the Gold Coast Suns.
Nick Vlastuin’s night ended at half-time of Friday night’s match after the young defender suffered concussion.
Vlastuin will need to pass the standard concussion tests later this week to be medically cleared to play this weekend.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-06-05/morris-season-over-with-acl-confirmed
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He may not have been the most talented footballer but he has something that this club really lacks right now. Toughness! Both physical and mental toughness. For that reason he should be respected more then he is right now on this forum.
In fact I wish we had more Steven Morris Types. At least we know they would give their all every game, gut run, put their bodys on the line, put their heads over the ball, play for the jumper, win contested ball and work hard and stand up for their team mates! Unlike several Richmond listed players.
Steve can hold his head high!
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Grigg could learn a thing or 3
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He may not have been the most talented footballer but he has something that this club really lacks right now. Toughness! Both physical and mental toughness. For that reason he should be respected more then he is right now on this forum.
In fact I wish we had more Steven Morris Types. At least we know they would give their all every game, gut run, put their bodys on the line, put their heads over the ball, play for the jumper, win contested ball and work hard and stand up for their team mates! Unlike several Richmond listed players.
Steve can hold his head high!
Agreed.
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I am actually over the moon he wont be taking games off a junior for the rest of the year.Thank god for injuries sometimes, because it forces the coaches hand.
In saying that i sympathise he is one bloke who busts a gut and works hard, it is a lot of blood sweat and tears thrown straight out the window when serious injury occurs to any player.
My concern now is the club will retain him because of some sort of feelings of obligation due to the injury. Every single one of us knows he should be delisted so dont act all indignant at this.
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Was in some pretty good form too
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Grigg could learn a thing or 3
Grigg was easily our best player on Friday night
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Grigg could learn a thing or 3
Grigg was easily our best player on Friday night
Hampson 1
Grigg 2
Chaplin 3
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Grigg could learn a thing or 3
Grigg was easily our best player on Friday night
I thought Cotchin was by a mile. Hardly noticed any of Grigg's 38 possessions
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HE PLAYED HIS ROLE
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Let's hope he gets better soon and can still run and play with his kids. Tries his guts out.
If only we had the rest of those panty wearers with the same endeavour as Morris.
But I also hope he never plays for us again. I for one want to see the end of mediocrity at Richmond.
Let's hope more players are forced to retire too so we can finally get some guys who can actually play this game properly.
Let's get a recruiting team that know what they are doing.
Let's get a development team that know how to develop the players.
Let's get a coaching team that know how to coach a team & demands excellence.
Hallelujah brother.
Personally i am going to be brutally honest and say i could not give a stuff if more duds like morris copped injuries. Seems to me the only way favorites will get the chop.
I dont know Steve Morris he could be a great bloke away from footy. Its as a footballer that i rate him and while i have sympathy for him actually getting hurt i am happy Hardwick has no option but play someone else. Trouble is he will pass up the opportunity to play a kid instead playing another hack favorite.
How many years do we have to see this sort of thing go on and on.
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Thank you to everyone for the messages of support. It's very much appreciated 👍
https://twitter.com/stevemorris38/status/739390168956731396
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May spell the end of his career. His attitude could never be questioned-one of the few who actually tries when things are down.
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Grigg could learn a thing or 3
Grigg was easily our best player on Friday night
I thought Cotchin was by a mile. Hardly noticed any of Grigg's 38 possessions
Unfortunately whilst Grigg got a lot of possessions his possessions were not telling.
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his input is exaggerated due to the non efforts of his team mates.
That aside, he should have been used and developed as an in and under mid.
Another masterstroke from the mastercoach
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I'm pretty sure that Gordon is Stalin offering his support. ;D
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From RFC twitter
Richmond FC @Richmond_FC · 2h2 hours ago
On the comeback trail; @stevemorris38 at Punt Road Oval this morning 🐯🏃 #gotiges
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwZLxvJUQAATo2f.jpg)
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Should be on the retirement trail....
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Should be on the retirement trail....
I was hoping he'd get a 2 year extension tbh
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Oh dear, just no, no.
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He'll be like a new recruit
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Cant wait for Dimma to auto select him at the expense of a younger better player.
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What a shambles
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Outside of the fact he had a contract
Very rarely do clubs delist players who suffer long term injuries, especially ACL victoms
Just seems to be unwritten rule amongst Clubs, they dont delist thrm
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seriously het is over the afl standards not up to it wouldnt get a game at any other club and for those who think he would clearly no nothing about footy
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Some punctuation wouldn't hurt
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seriously het is over the afl standards not up to it wouldnt get a game at any other club and for those who think he would clearly no nothing about footy
This is just too hard to read.
Paragraphs and punctuation pleez.
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i suspect explanations as to the meaning of those two words may be needed.
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i suspect explanations as to the meaning of those two words may be needed.
well if u don't understand what im trying to say hopefully this helps
he is a dud, waste of a player to have on our list, averages what 6 touches a game.. clearly people who think he is worthy of a spot on a list DONT HAVE A CLUE ABOUT FOOTBALL
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Whatever is said about Steve, he tries his best and it means he is creating a contest for a spot in the main side, if Lennon and others had his attitude we would have a much better ethos.
So just maybe take a back seat and look at what he brings to the table for the RFC not what he doesn't bring to the table.
Remember he didn't ask to be drafted and he is making the best of what he has got.
You can't ask for more than that.
Best of luck to you Steve if you ever waste any time reading some of the drivel on this forum
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Whatever is said about Steve, he tries his best and it means he is creating a contest for a spot in the main side, if Lennon and others had his attitude we would have a much better ethos.
So just maybe take a back seat and look at what he brings to the table for the RFC not what he doesn't bring to the table.
Remember he didn't ask to be drafted and he is making the best of what he has got.
You can't ask for more than that.
Best of luck to you Steve if you ever waste any time reading some of the drivel on this forum
Ur kidding right mate. I base everything on skill he is not up to the AFL level or what we require lets be honest yeah hard at that's great but that doesn't make u an AFL footy, I play with hard at it footballers on a Saturday does that mean they should be given the same opportunity NO, we should have moved on with him nothing against him at all but just not what we need
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Only at the RFC do footballers grow in stature when injured.....
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Only at the RFC do footballers grow in stature when injured.....
I'm going to have to disagree with that. Think it's pretty common among all clubs
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Whatever is said about Steve, he tries his best and it means he is creating a contest for a spot in the main side, if Lennon and others had his attitude we would have a much better ethos.
So just maybe take a back seat and look at what he brings to the table for the RFC not what he doesn't bring to the table.
Remember he didn't ask to be drafted and he is making the best of what he has got.
You can't ask for more than that.
Best of luck to you Steve if you ever waste any time reading some of the drivel on this forum
"he tries his best", "had his attitude", "look at what he brings to the table for the RFC not what he doesn't bring to the table", "Remember he didn't ask to be drafted and he is making the best of what he has got", "You can't ask for more than that"
Perhaps the most crap I have ever read. This is why we are where we are, this is why we will never move, because the RCGG and mediocracy brigade accept these players.....so do the RFC!!! Pathetic, he should never play again.
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Coming from Hampsons biggest fan :clapping :lol
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Coming from Hampsons biggest fan :clapping :lol
We are allowed one spud each to back in.
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If he can recapture his form as a small defender he is worth keeping but unfortunately the game seems to be getting away from him very quickly.
This is an area that has really hurt us since Morris fell out of form/favor.
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unfortunately the game seems to be getting away from him very quickly.
The game got away from him the minute the AFL introduced the sliding rule....
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unfortunately the game seems to be getting away from him very quickly.
The game got away from him the minute the AFL introduced the sliding rule....
^^^ yep
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Coming from Hampsons biggest fan :clapping :lol
Are you completely 100% backward? I mean no disrespect to the backward people but you take it to another level.
Just for your sake and for the trillionth time. Hampson had a good year, better that any year Morris has had. Hampson was all we had, Morris was not, Hampson is not the answer but a good fill in until we have something better, Morris can go and who would care, other than you.
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Coming from Hampsons biggest fan :clapping :lol
Are you completely 100% backward? I mean no disrespect to the backward people but you take it to another level.
Just for your sake and for the trillionth time. Hampson had a good year, better that any year Morris has had. Hampson was all we had, Morris was not, Hampson is not the answer but a good fill in until we have something better, Morris can go and who would care, other than you.
Really? Can you justify that statement?
Or are you too lazy to do that and want to let that post go unsubstantiated?
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i suspect explanations as to the meaning of those two words may be needed.
well if u don't understand what im trying to say hopefully this helps
he is a dud, waste of a player to have on our list, averages what 6 touches a game.. clearly people who think he is worthy of a spot on a list DONT HAVE A CLUE ABOUT FOOTBALL
That is just bizarre.
clearly your posts are a true indication of what actually goes on in your head.
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Coming from Hampsons biggest fan :clapping :lol
Are you completely 100% backward? I mean no disrespect to the backward people but you take it to another level.
Just for your sake and for the trillionth time. Hampson had a good year, better that any year Morris has had. Hampson was all we had, Morris was not, Hampson is not the answer but a good fill in until we have something better, Morris can go and who would care, other than you.
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Really? Can you justify that statement?
Or are you too lazy to do that and want to let that post go unsubstantiated?
Backward?? Or are you to ........ to understand that?? You surely don't need an explanation on how Hampson's year was better than that of Morris, surely you.......
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you can't even read or remember your own posts or follow your own arguments...you said Hamspud's year was better than any year Morris has had....
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you can't even read or remember your own posts or follow your own arguments...you said Hamspud's year was better than any year Morris has had....
Ok, yes it was. FFS why do posters here have to repeat themselves to the experts?? You should all know the answers, after all, you are the experts.
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you can't even read or remember your own posts or follow your own arguments...you said Hamspud's year was better than any year Morris has had....
Ok, yes it was. FFS why do posters here have to repeat themselves to the experts?? You should all know the answers, after all, you are the experts.
If you are incapable of substantiating what you post, let it go....
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Steve had a " clean out " of knee last Monday
Should be right to go round 1 👍
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He'll be like a new 5th round recruit :shh
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He'll be like a new 5th round recruit :shh
I was going to say rookie upgrade!
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He'll be like a new 5th round recruit :shh
Exciting times
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Very😉
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Very😉
can hardly wait for him to be in the back pocket with hunt :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead.
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you can't even read or remember your own posts or follow your own arguments...you said Hamspud's year was better than any year Morris has had....
Remember that time Eddie Betts gave him a bath in Adelaide, except WAT was the only one who saw it because Morris was playing in the VFL? :lol :lol
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WAT and SHAMMO
There is no doubt that if SM was delisted no other club would pick him up.
We all get it that he is not the best player on the park.
You can harp on about mediocrity and idiots and he should never get a game in an AFL side etc etc but the fact is RFC recruited him and resigned him.
Posters on here have no control over that. We can only be positive and hope for the best.
And if you want to eat your own so be it.
Steve is doing the best he can with what he has got and there is no point denigrating and belittling him or fellow posters.
For me I wish him the best of luck on his comeback trail.
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you can't even read or remember your own posts or follow your own arguments...you said Hamspud's year was better than any year Morris has had....
Remember that time Eddie Betts gave him a bath in Adelaide, except WAT was the only one who saw it because Morris was playing in the VFL? :lol :lol
Funny days :lol :lol
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you can't even read or remember your own posts or follow your own arguments...you said Hamspud's year was better than any year Morris has had....
Remember that time Eddie Betts gave him a bath in Adelaide, except WAT was the only one who saw it because Morris was playing in the VFL? :lol :lol
Remember you are complete stuffing ....
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Hack, will be gone at the end of 2017, should be average in the VFL for next year.
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you can't even read or remember your own posts or follow your own arguments...you said Hamspud's year was better than any year Morris has had....
Remember that time Eddie Betts gave him a bath in Adelaide, except WAT was the only one who saw it because Morris was playing in the VFL? :lol :lol
Remember you are complete stuffing ....
....expert?
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https://x.com/Richmond_FC/status/1875822188844216509