One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on September 22, 2011, 04:46:26 AM
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We know the Club has talked about finals in 2012 even though we are still mostly a very young side.
What in your opinion would be a pass mark next year for the team?
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Finals
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A full clean out of all the spuds who cant kick
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The sky's the limit but anywhere between 12 - 7 would be good.
The main thing I'll be looking for next year is our defence being injury free and getting games together. We had the third highest against score's this year.
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Need to draft well this year and delist a few to make an improvement next year. Agree need to be injury free and have a stable line up in defence to see real improvement
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Too many variables to be honest
A injury free run and you can say finals are a possibility.
Get a few injuries especially to key players and with our lack of depth things can turn to poop pretty quickly
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The club expects finals next year.
Hardwick has said they achieved their aim of getting a certain amount of games into the youngsters over his first two seasons and now the emphasis will shift towards winning games and players earning their spots rather than gifted for the sake of development( I know that will cause consternation in relation to selections during the year though ;D).
So baring a bad injury run, anything short of finals, even if just making up the numbers, which is most probable, will be a fail mark, for the club and Hardwick.
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finals nothing more nothing less
Anything below where we have finished i would say bye Dimma hello Malthouse
Thats unless we have a year like Freo just had with such injuries
Pressure is on. I like it
Everyone knows we need to make finals from the coach, players and supporters
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finals nothing more nothing less
Anything below where we have finished i would say bye Dimma hello Malthouse
Thats unless we have a year like Freo just had with such injuries
Pressure is on. I like it
Everyone knows we need to make finals from the coach, players and supporters
Agreed, finals the pass mark now with 2 years of development gone. We will continue to develop and naturally win more games, finals is definitely attainable and that is what we need to achieve. Anything lower than an 8th place finish is a failure of a season.
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Ahhhhhh I remember fondly the last time we had to make finals or bust, what a special time that was. Oh well at least we have four genuine Players now to carry the rest.
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finals nothing more nothing less
Anything below where we have finished i would say bye Dimma hello Malthouse
Dumb post
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Not so dumb Mad one.
Hardwick has shown some degree of ability in developing players, but has yet to show tactical nous.
If the Tigers have a poor season or just miss finals due to a couple of games having been out coached, the patience of the Richmond faithful will be sorely tested, and Malthouse will loom as the holy grail.
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Wouldn't it be interesting if malthouse or say another proven cOach came to rfc and still failed I wonder where peePs would look next for the easy fix (apart from bagging a few of our dud players)
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No excuses, sick of excuses - Finals is a pass anything less FAIL.
Time to stand up
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got nothing to do with bagging our players or bagging the coach.
we are a side capable of matching it with any team that finished between 6-18. The bar has been raised since we have beaten the sides we have and finished where we finished.
Those are the facts.
Like i said unless its injury related finals or bust. If Essendon can finish in the 8 with the likes of Hille, Ryder and Davey then we can with the likes of Jack, Dusty Cotch and Lids.
For too long we have accepted finishing outside the to because thats whats accepted at our club but when you see teams we can beat like Bummers, Sydney all playing off in finals well the equation is pretty simple.
Finals 2012
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we need to find out that we can add another 5-6 players to our longterm plans, they dont have to be champion players, just solid afl level footballers... - like we did this season with Vickery, Rance, Conca, Batchelor, Houli, Nahas and Grigg. We still have too many question marks on too many players from young players still developing and downright duds like Jackson, White, Farmer, McGuance, Thursfield, Connors, Moore(retiring?), Edwards, Nason, Graham, Browne for me to mark us on pure win loss.
If we can get say Helbig, Derickx, Astbury, Griff as well as a couple of draftees and F/S Morris to step up and show, like the group I mentioned earlier, that they are long term players for this club then I will consider it a success. Add to that a strong draft next season and then I say we have enough squad quality to talk serious turkey re finals campaigns for 2013 onwards. Right now we dont have the cattle, we are not ready yet. Will need to have a lot of luck to make it - The club made a mistake publicly stating they are going for finals next year imo
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No excuses, sick of excuses - Finals is a pass anything less FAIL.
Time to stand up
Would an injury run like freo experienced this year be a valid reason/excuse?
As i've asked jackstar, without ever getting an answer, what is the difference between a reason and an excuse?
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No excuses, sick of excuses - Finals is a pass anything less FAIL.
Time to stand up
Would an injury run like freo experienced this year be a valid reason/excuse?
As i've asked jackstar, without ever getting an answer, what is the difference between a reason and an excuse?
a reason is the logical set of events that explains why something has happened
an excuse is a reason used to shift blame onto someone else
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thanks ::)
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Not so dumb Mad one.
Hardwick has shown some degree of ability in developing players, but has yet to show tactical nous.
If the Tigers have a poor season or just miss finals due to a couple of games having been out coached, the patience of the Richmond faithful will be sorely tested, and Malthouse will loom as the holy grail.
Hardwick has done a great job. The game plan will work completely when then list is 100% turned over and ready to play the game plan. His chances of getting sacked next year are 0.0000000000000000000001%.
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Can I put a dollar on the odds you're offering there? :lol
Ah the much lauded game plane, can you tell me what it is?
From what I saw the style of play changed from week to week and what we started with, had metamorphed into something quite different by the end of the year.
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Pass mark?
Probably a minimum of 11 wins - keep the curve heading upwards. I guess that means finals most years.
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No excuses, sick of excuses - Finals is a pass anything less FAIL.
Time to stand up
Would an injury run like freo experienced this year be a valid reason/excuse?
Yes - But it wont happen, besides it wont take near as much with us for us to come back really quick.
Major injuries to 1 or 2 keys aside - No excuses.
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Yeah, i cant see anything besides that.
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I couldn't care less where we finish next year.
A pass mark is done with list management.
If we make the hard decisions on Jackson, Edwards and co and bring in some untried kids I'd rather 1 more year of development then trying a finals tilt with what we have. Our list isn't good enough yet.
Pushing for finals would be a disaster for mine. Espeially considering our premiership window will compete with Melbourne, GC and GWS. Would be a disaster to finish middle of the road like an Essendon with average players Edwards and Jackson.
By all means if we make these decisions and bring in some young state talent and draft well and guys like Conca, Helbig, Astbury, Post improve sky is the limit.
I don't want to hold onto average players and finish middle of the road maybe pinch 7th or 8th spot, thats the limit of the current list IMO.
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Problem is it's a bad year for a clean out, there's just too much chaff in the wheat at Tigerland. Draft prospects after our first or second pick are going to be a massive roll of the dice.
I reckon we'll only turnover 4-5 from our regular list.
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The pass mark this year is as much for the coach as it is for the team.
Dimma needs to continue to draft the kids and play the kids. No quick fixes and no overpaying from trades from our behalf.
Furthermore kids retained on the list or those who showed improvement to keep on improving.
We had the 15th place finish last year the 12th place finish this year and based on who we beat and the expected slide from some sides next year we need to aim for at least 7th or 8th place finish.
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got nothing to do with bagging our players or bagging the coach.
we are a side capable of matching it with any team that finished between 6-18. The bar has been raised since we have beaten the sides we have and finished where we finished.
Those are the facts.
Like i said unless its injury related finals or bust. If Essendon can finish in the 8 with the likes of Hille, Ryder and Davey then we can with the likes of Jack, Dusty Cotch and Lids.
For too long we have accepted finishing outside the to because thats whats accepted at our club but when you see teams we can beat like Bummers, Sydney all playing off in finals well the equation is pretty simple.
Finals 2012
Good post Daniel, fully agree. :thumbsup
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Too many variables to be honest
A injury free run and you can say finals are a possibility.
Get a few injuries especially to key players and with our lack of depth things can turn to poop pretty quickly
^ agree - big if's on where we'll finish inc Ben G, Astbury, Grimes, Moore etc staying on the park...continued development of the guys who saw action this year should help push us up a bit but think we're bottom rungs of 8 - 12 again with another 12 month of "game time into young blokes"...especially considering we need to clean out a few, draft/trade for a few & continue the mass turn over from the last 24months...think it's hard to put a pass mark on next year without seeing how hard CC & BH are willing to prune the list & be aggressive in the trade
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More I think about it the more Benny G looks like the injured prophecy coming true :banghead
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More I think about it the more Benny G looks like the injured prophecy coming true :banghead
^ hope not dookie...big things needed of Big Benny G - perfect build for it (bar the busted shoulders lol) & really provides a strong target/adds another dimension to the forward line...
...crossing my fingers (and anything else I can cross that only causes "minimal discomfort") that he stays fit & healthy, gets a solid preseason & has a TV breakout year next year...
or else... :banghead
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This wouldnt be tiger tuff jay from YnB?
If so, welcome from TA!
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Holy eff-balls.
I had no idea that you were TA, Dooks you covert son of a mule!
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Holy eff-balls.
I had no idea that you were TA, Dooks you covert son of a mule!
:lol
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This wouldnt be tiger tuff jay from YnB?
If so, welcome from TA!
...nah it's not sorry mate - just another knucklehead with a highly inventive user name :)
cheers though :cheers
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This wouldnt be tiger tuff jay from YnB?
If so, welcome from TA!
...nah it's not sorry mate - just another knucklehead with a highly inventive user name :)
cheers though :cheers
Welcome nonetheless mate. :cheers
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Win at least one final should be the benchmark for next season. Any thing less woud be an underachivement.
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Finals, end of story, if we are passed by clubs like GC than we are as weak as pee, must play finals!!!
Must also beat the Blues in round 1, no excuses there either, we need to stop crapping on about rebuilding..start winning bloody games against teams like the Blues.
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Oh no, we are doomed.
WAT has gone back to wanting us to win again. The spoon is a monty now :P
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Finals, end of story, if we are passed by clubs like GC than we are as weak as pee, must play finals!!!
Must also beat the Blues in round 1, no excuses there either, we need to stop crapping on about rebuilding..start winning bloody games against teams like the Blues.
Blues own us at the moment WAT.....2 of our last 3 contests have been epic failures. They won 6 more games than us this year and their percentage was 44% higher.
No more "Port/Gold Coast " fiascos in 2012.
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A full clean out of all the spuds who cant kick
this :gotigers
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A pass mark is 50% win loss ratio and 50% for and against score. So we can pass finishing 9th, but we don't want that 8)
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Wish we actually finished 9th because an improvement is 8th.
Finals will be the passmark but I wonder if we finish 9th,what would everyone think about our season?
I know the supporters will not have to push Hardwick out the door because the media will do a much better job of it.
Even if we finish 9th,Dimma deserves 1 more year.
Interesting times especially in the forums lol if we don't make the 8.
Alot of football fans I speak to ,reckon 2 years and we will be in the finals.
If we don't make the 8,the media wil make out the world is falling down at Punt Road and try to push Dimma out the door themselves and say "not good enough as acoach ,bla bla bla.
The next month Dimma will be appointed by another club and the mdia will do a 360,"what a great appointment by so and so to get a great coach like Damian Hardwick.
LOL the media are evil.
Not all,KB is great.
You know the ones I'm talking about.
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While its a possibility, I still dont believe we are ready for finals. No point putting additional pressure on the club and ourselves by bullish talk of spetembe, regardless of what the club has said in the past.
I know we have been waiting for ages but that is beside the point. We need to step back and look at the facts.
Dimma has had two years to overturn a horrible list during compromised drafts. I think he has done a serviceable job, but the list simply is not ready yet.We have a super young team that lost to GC and PA this year. We still have average players in pivotal positions.
I will be hoping for finals, but I'l be focus on other indicators next year, such as finding more A and B graders to goth with our promising young brigade.
I think the list is in good shape for sustained success in 2013 and beyond.
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Finals
Only a rabble like the Demons think 3 years developing outside the 8 is acceptable
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Holy eff-balls.
I had no idea that you were TA, Dooks you covert son of a mule!
Slick Willy indeed :nope
lmao
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Finals
Only a rabble like the Demons think 3 years developing outside the 8 is acceptable
To me its not about what is 'acceptable' or not. Its about what state the list is in.
Im not saying that we wont make it. Just that the season wont necessarily be a 'failure' if we dont.
I bloody well hope we do, though.
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Holy eff-balls.
I had no idea that you were TA, Dooks you covert son of a mule!
Slick Willy indeed :nope
lmao
Im special. :laugh:
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To me its not about what is 'acceptable' or not. Its about what state the list is in.
Im not saying that we wont make it. Just that the season wont necessarily be a 'failure' if we dont.
I bloody well hope we do, though.
It'll be a failure, maybe not a total failure, but a failure first and foremost
When you start thinking not making the finals as anything other than a fail you're on the doomed trawler to tunaville
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It's a combination of things that give you the pass mark.
Give up very little to obtain Maric.
Sound trading of existing players, only to enable upskilling & list need.
Draft the best possible player available, for all our picks.
Upgrades of off field support roles.
Finishing 8th is a bare pass.
Percentage at 100% or better.
Wins = or > losses
Supporter numbers grow.
Debt is reduced or eliminated.
Stability at the club.