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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 24, 2011, 08:58:54 PM
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How did we all rate how Richmond went in the draft tonight?
15. Brandon Ellis (defender) 03/08/1993 181cm 83kg Calder Cannons/West Coburg
26. Todd Elton (ruckman/forward) 29/04/1993 197cm 92kg Dandenong Stingrays/Somerville
55. Matthew Arnot (midfielder) 21/10/1993 180cm 87kg Oakleigh Chargers/Vermont
(http://mm.afl.com.au/portals/0/2011/draft/ellis-brandon-2011.jpg) (http://mm.afl.com.au/portals/0/2011/draft/elton-todd-2011.jpg) (http://afl.com.au/portals/0/2011/draft/arnot_246a.jpg)
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2 units and a skilled tall :cheers
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I gave it a 6/10. I think getting Elton was a good move in particular. If Ellis can go to half back and Deledio can head towards the middle then that could work out ok. If Arnot can kick, he seems to love the contest he could turn out ok.
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Happy with Elton.
Concerned about the other two relative to their pick. Hoping they are bloody good kicks and have class.
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Happy with the first two picks but thought we could have gone taller with #55.
Arnot looks a unit though and if he can force his way into the side and knock out a Edwards, White, Jackson or even a Foley (Based on his form ast season) then it's a win for us....
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I wanted a defender, have done all year, as we lack depth in the backline IMO........ :thumbsup ::)
We got one..... :clapping
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Very astute and flexible picks I thought.
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Really happy with pick 26 Elton
Thought we went for the best available at 15 so that's a tick
Don't know much about Arnot but will have to trust the recruiting staff on that one
Overall happy
But 2-3 years down the track is when we will know for sure ;D
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three blokes who are hard at the ball, have good skills and decision making, are strong marks and solid, driven characters.
I like the theme, :thumbsup lets hope they actually turn out good enough.
:gotigers
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Very Good 8
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Throw in another hard nut defender Steve Morris and we've really injected some hot beef this off season :gotigers
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pretty sure hes more of a long term midfielder. Bit short to play backline on mediums fwds and not explosive enough to play on the smalls like rioli with a 20sec sprint time of 3.05, reckon best bet is in midfield.
Elton sounds good but then Goo sounds like an athletic god and cant play for poo.
Arnott, hard at it, unit aggressive and can kick - struggling to see why he slipped so far. Anyone know what his weaknesses are?
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We got 15,26 and 55.
That's how i rate it.
Was anyone surprised by these picks,or were they pretty much expected?
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All along I had Crumpet in at my 26, but my personal 15 preferences were gone (...Adams and Docherty :P) so I'm still happy to pick the guy up. Would love a team of hard nuts. Didn't know Biscuit from a bar of soap before he was called. Since looking him up I'm stoked as. I reckon as long as he picks up the skills he is going to be a deadly inside juggernaut. Happy to have another big tall and an option other than Miller (since he's not long term) and Griffiths (don't even know if he is going to deliver yet). Another pinch hitter is always handy now with the 21 + sub. Might take a bit of pressure off Ty. I already prefer these guys on blokes like White and Webberly. With the addition of Morris, Maric and hopefully McCarthy, I feel like we've made real steps towards bolstering the bottom of our list. So I gave this draft an 8 :cheers
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man agree with everything there dwaine
Heslin also a hard nut
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Happy with the first two picks but thought we could have gone taller with #55.
Arnot looks a unit though and if he can force his way into the side and knock out a Edwards, White, Jackson or even a Foley (Based on his form ast season) then it's a win for us....
Why did you want a tall?
We have Moore. Mcgaune. Miller. Maric. Graham.
We are more stocked or developing talks than in recent decades: Gourdis. Grimes. Rance. Riewoldt. Astbury. Post. Elton. Griffiths. Vickery. Derrickxs. Browne.
I think we might go for a mid size forward in the rookie / PSD
Types as Edwards. Connors. King white etc have question marks. Helbig. McDonald unproven
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Happy with the first two picks but thought we could have gone taller with #55.
Arnot looks a unit though and if he can force his way into the side and knock out a Edwards, White, Jackson or even a Foley (Based on his form ast season) then it's a win for us....
Why did you want a tall?
We have Moore. Mcgaune. Miller. Maric. Graham.
We are more stocked or developing talks than in recent decades: Gourdis. Grimes. Rance. Riewoldt. Astbury. Post. Elton. Griffiths. Vickery. Derrickxs. Browne.
I think we might go for a mid size forward in the rookie / PSD
Types as Edwards. Connors. King white etc have question marks. Helbig. McDonald unproven
Sorry Bent's, I meant "tall back" IMO Rance and Grimes are the only two down there that are up to it! Gourdis....gone this season if not next. McGuane....Needs a huge season yo keep his spot! Ditto Post. Astbury has the potential but is far from a lock at yhe moment. Apart from that we have SFA in the tall back department. We loose Rance or Grimes were screwed.
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Not overly active picks we've got 2 players that have the potential to be apart of our hopeful finals / top 4 and eventual premiership tilt. With the 3rd looking promising as well.
Can't complain with that.
We are weak in defense and ruck. We nabbed a skillful big man and picked up a defensively skilled midfielder.
Pretty much ticked all the boxes.
Time will tell though.
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Happy with the first two picks but thought we could have gone taller with #55.
Arnot looks a unit though and if he can force his way into the side and knock out a Edwards, White, Jackson or even a Foley (Based on his form ast season) then it's a win for us....
Why did you want a tall?
We have Moore. Mcgaune. Miller. Maric. Graham.
We are more stocked or developing talks than in recent decades: Gourdis. Grimes. Rance. Riewoldt. Astbury. Post. Elton. Griffiths. Vickery. Derrickxs. Browne.
I think we might go for a mid size forward in the rookie / PSD
Types as Edwards. Connors. King white etc have question marks. Helbig. McDonald unproven
Sorry Bent's, I meant "tall back" IMO Rance and Grimes are the only two down there that are up to it! Gourdis....gone this season if not next. McGuane....Needs a huge season yo keep his spot! Ditto Post. Astbury has the potential but is far from a lock at yhe moment. Apart from that we have SFA in the tall back department. We loose Rance or Grimes were screwed.
Jordan Kelly would've been worth a look
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Ruck looks less weak:
1. Maric.
2. Derickx.
3. Browne.
4. Post.
5. Elton.
6. Vickery (don't risk in ruck)
7. Shane tuck
8. Graham.
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Happy with picks but note did not pick up a snall forward. How quick are the recruits?
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Happy with picks but note did not pick up a snall forward. How quick are the recruits?
Soo peed off that GWS jagged both Adams and Devon Smith at 13 & 14. I hope Morris was worth it as the slip from 14 to 15 could turn out to be a crucial one. I hope it doesn't come back to bite us on the ass ala Tambo /buddy
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All are great kicks which is a tick.
Ellis is a lot like Morris, so dont know why you will pick up same type player.
Elton a bit soft
Arnott and Ellis are both hard at it, Arnott is a tad slow .
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Elton a bit soft
Arnott and Ellis are both hard at it.
WTF, Having a bet each way there mate :lol Is Ellis "soft" or "Hard at it" :huh :huh
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Elton and Ellis are different players mate
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Gee whiz. :huh
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Elton and Ellis are different players mate
Bzinga! :lol
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Ruck looks less weak:
1. Maric.
2. Derickx.
3. Browne.
4. Post.
5. Elton.
6. Vickery (don't risk in ruck)
7. Shane tuck
8. Graham.
Yes, but you can break that down further to...
Pure Rucks
Browne.......Big ??? Out of Contract 2012
Gus...........Need to harden up big time, out of contract 2012
Maric.........Allot of pressure, should be our number 1 ruck have to wait and see.
Vickery......To valuable as a forward ATM, pinch hitter at best.
Derickx......Yet to play, big ???, out of Contract 2012
Pinch Hitters
Tuck.......Clutching at straws if we need to ruck him, out of contract 2012
Post.....See above.
Elton.....First year player, will need time.
You could hardly say our Ruck stocks are great considering 5 of the 8 could be gone at the end of next season!
WE really need to rookie another Tall ruckman or two!
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Elton and Ellis are different players mate
Eff I'm Gay :lol Sorry Jackstar :-* :-* I'll get back in my box now........
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Apart from that we have SFA in the tall back department. We loose Rance or Grimes were screwed.
Imagine sombody saying that 12 months ago, they would of been laughed out of the place. Things can change so much and you watch your 3rd and 4th year guys come on this year.
Only thing is to me we are carrying 6 Rucks or Ruck/Fowards on out main list this season, is that too many seeing only 2 of them can really get a game each week ?
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Imagine sombody saying that 12 months ago, they would of been laughed out of the place. Things can change so much and you watch your 3rd and 4th year guys come on this year.
True, we really need Post and Astbury to step up this season, Grimes still has a way to go and if he can improve again on last season we will be starting to look alright down there. Still allot of if's though for mine......
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Only thing is to me we are carrying 6 Rucks or Ruck/Fowards on out main list this season, is that too many seeing only 2 of them can really get a game each week ?
I think it gives us options
Derickx, Maric & Elton can all go forward
Elton can also play back, might also see Griff down there too
Lot of flexibility with our talls :thumbsup
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All are great kicks which is a tick.
Ellis is a lot like Morris, so dont know why you will pick up same type player.
Elton a bit soft
Arnott and Ellis are both hard at it, Arnott is a tad slow .
Weve needed more mongrel in the side for a long time now and if they can give us some in the team along with Morris then thats a plus. Arnot doesnt seem that slow - does anyone know what scores he got for the sprints at the draft combine.
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Looks ok on the face of it. We'll know in 4/5 years time.
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http://youtu.be/Bo9M7qeEM5U
Video of interview with Richard Taylor from after the draft.
Says at the end of it that there are a 3 or 4 boys they thought would get drafted that didn't and that they will go back and think how they can get those boys in the Rookie Draft.
Goodbye Gourdis / Connors ? :rollin
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Not so much here, but other places like BigFooty (lol) are having a bit of a crack at the athletic qualities of Crumpet and Biscuit, such as speed and stuff. But I think we've proved the athletics experiment isn't the way. See, Goudis, White, etc. We have picked some pure footballers and I see us going very much the way of a Geelong style of team build.
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how the would I know :huh
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Not so much here, but other places like BigFooty (lol) are having a bit of a crack at the athletic qualities of Crumpet and Biscuit, such as speed and stuff. But I think we've proved the athletics experiment isn't the way. See, Goudis, White, etc. We have picked some pure footballers and I see us going very much the way of a Geelong style of team build.
wasn't Ellis rated elite in kicking, clean hands, jumping, endurance and agility :huh
i think he was
the only 'poor' result was being 3/10ths of a second off an elite 20m sprint time
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Not so much here, but other places like BigFooty (lol) are having a bit of a crack at the athletic qualities of Crumpet and Biscuit, such as speed and stuff. But I think we've proved the athletics experiment isn't the way. See, Goudis, White, etc. We have picked some pure footballers and I see us going very much the way of a Geelong style of team build.
wasn't Ellis rated elite in kicking, clean hands, jumping, endurance and agility :huh
i think he was
the only 'poor' result was being 3/10ths of a second off an elite 20m sprint time
Not sure :p people still having a dig. Might be the article that says he's sluggish off the mark? *shrug*
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Read somewhere that Ellis isnt very quick off the mark (which is dissapointing to an extent), but is quick over an extended distance (once he gets a gallop up)
He is elite in terms of endurance and verticle leap, which means he can play taller than he is. :thumbsup
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Good old Mario was again ringing up 3aw just now bagging us for picking up two "midgets". Over-acted too much so he's probably some opposition supporter pretending to be a Tigers fan.
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Happy with picks but note did not pick up a snall forward. How quick are the recruits?
Soo peed off that GWS jagged both Adams and Devon Smith at 13 & 14. I hope Morris was worth it as the slip from 14 to 15 could turn out to be a crucial one. I hope it doesn't come back to bite us on the ass ala Tambo /buddy
The thing is that unless the club come out say so, we will never know if either of those two were even in the calculations.
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Gee whiz.
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Seriously,how can we rate it yet???
3 snotty nosed possibles at this stage.
Guess what-other clubs got the same.
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Happy with picks but note did not pick up a snall forward. How quick are the recruits?
Soo peed off that GWS jagged both Adams and Devon Smith at 13 & 14. I hope Morris was worth it as the slip from 14 to 15 could turn out to be a crucial one. I hope it doesn't come back to bite us on the ass ala Tambo /buddy
going into the 2012 superdraft where we will use the tambling pick the list looks in good shape.
A)
Morris. Grimes. Astbury.
Batchelor. Rance. Ellis.
Newman. Martin. Conca.
Reiwoldt. Griffiths. Nahas.
Deledio. Vickery. King.
Houli. Dea. Post.
Grigg.
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Moore. Gourdis. Connors.
Heslin. Mcgaune. Webberly.
Edwards. Tuck. Jackson.
Macdonald. Elton. White.
Miller. Derickx.
Browne. Helbig. Arnot.
The balance is good. All but eight RFC players are in the 24 years of age bracket or younger.
Our key backs situation is not too bad. Mcgaune and Moore were in our best side 3 or 4 years ago. Gourdis seems a good vfl standard player. Elton adds deapth. Rance, Grimes, Astbury, Post all best 22 or there abouts.
Ellis and Morris in the back six should mean leaking less goals from Milne/betts
types and let's us play our best footballer in the middle or forward line instead of behind the ball.
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Im still pinching myself we managed to snaffle some of the draft nuggests, these three look like being anything and will add some to the warehouse of young talent we have cleverly stocked at punt rd :clapping...two words...LOOK OUT :shh
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Yeah its great to see some big bodied players picked up for a change instead of .......well......smaller players we have selected in the past...
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but they are effing midgets WAT
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but they are effing midgets WAT
Back 6:
Morris185. Grimes193. Astbury/post195.
Batchelor188. Rance194. Ellis181.
Deledio, Newman, houli options.
Is it too short?
Arnot is arover by the sounds of it and hence does not need be tall.
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but they are effing midgets WAT
yeah real dwarfs, Id hate to run into anu of them in a dark alley :shh
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:lol
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but they are effing midgets WAT
no there not
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sometimes you have to wade through the by-catch to get your target :laugh:
midget is based on height not weight :thumbsup
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Seriously,how can we rate it yet???
3 snotty nosed possibles at this stage.
Guess what-other clubs got the same.
no no apparently Geelong "schooled us" lmfao :lol
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Seriously,how can we rate it yet???
3 snotty nosed possibles at this stage.
Guess what-other clubs got the same.
no no apparently Geelong "schooled us" lmfao :lol
lolz.........
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sometimes you have to wade through the by-catch to get your target :laugh:
midget is based on height not weight :thumbsup
No its not...
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agree with the big West Aussie
i've seen some fat ass midgets
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agree with the big West Aussie
i've seen some fat ass midgets
Relton......... ;D
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sometimes you have to wade through the by-catch to get your target :laugh:
midget is based on height not weight :thumbsup
No its not...
surely you come from a different reality?
what definition of a midget, besides yours, is based on weight, not height?
your not suggesting that westoff was a midget are you?
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agree with the big West Aussie
i've seen some fat ass midgets
you've got the right ticket but jumped on the wrong train
:lol
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agree with the big West Aussie
i've seen some fat ass midgets
you've got the right ticket but jumped on the wrong train
:lol
don't try and get between me and the big fella, we go way back to back :-*
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:rollin
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sometimes you have to wade through the by-catch to get your target :laugh:
midget is based on height not weight :thumbsup
No its not...
surely you come from a different reality?
what definition of a midget, besides yours, is based on weight, not height?
your not suggesting that westoff was a midget are you?
No i'm not
does it matter
am I
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you've got the right ticket but jumped on the wrong train
:lol
:lol only just pieced it together
don't think i even made the train, i'm on the doomed trawler :lol
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sometimes you have to wade through the by-catch to get your target :laugh:
midget is based on height not weight :thumbsup
No its not...
surely you come from a different reality?
what definition of a midget, besides yours, is based on weight, not height?
your not suggesting that westoff was a midget are you?
No i'm not :yep
does it matter :nope
am I :huh
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you've got the right ticket but jumped on the wrong train
:lol
:lol only just pieced it together
don't think i even made the train, i'm on the doomed trawler :lol
:lol
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sometimes you have to wade through the by-catch to get your target :laugh:
midget is based on height not weight :thumbsup
No its not...
surely you come from a different reality?
what definition of a midget, besides yours, is based on weight, not height?
your not suggesting that westoff was a midget are you?
No i'm not :yep
does it matter :nope
am I :huh
No i'm not ::)
does it matter :whistle
am I :lol
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Snip! Okay back to the footy topic ppl!
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Snip! Okay back to the footy topic ppl!
ever thought about becoming a barber ;D
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I think we choose as good a player as we could with our picks, but I don't think we we able to pick up exactly the type of players we ideally would have, had they been available.
But I also remember Richard Tambling bursting through the centre in his first NAB Cup game, having two bounces and kicking a 60 metre torpedo goal. I now refrain from judging drafts prematurely.
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Inside Football's Brett Anderson twitter:
"Richmond draft review: Hardwick wanted strong bodies + good skills, Ellis & Arnot are that! Elton was a top 10 talent at start of year."
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I gave it a 6/10 overall as it's hard to judge with just 3 picks. While it's a positive that there's a clear switch to drafting solid bodied players who don't need to wait 3 preseasons to put on weight, I would've thought we needed another classy 6' 2" (187cm) midfielder to upgrade from a Tuck or Jacko and to add more midfield depth. Then theres Elton who seems to be vying for the same position/role as Griffiths. It seems we decided that the 2011 draft was more about adding depth and size than fixing any remaining positional deficiencies. There was no big key defender or classy medium forward on offer that we were interested in..
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Elton will be a few years in the making ala Vickery and JR8 but I think he has as much if not more of an upside starting off as either of those fellas did if you do a comparison. This bloke could of gone very early if he hadm't of muffed up the nationals and got bitten by the spider etc. Might be a blessing for us though. Griffs is still going to come on and kick some stool regulation valve for us no problems there. Goddam filter...
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I gave it a 6/10 overall as it's hard to judge with just 3 picks. While it's a positive that there's a clear switch to drafting solid bodied players who don't need to wait 3 preseasons to put on weight, I would've thought we needed another classy 6' 2" (187cm) midfielder to upgrade from a Tuck or Jacko and to add more midfield depth. Then theres Elton who seems to be vying for the same position/role as Griffiths. It seems we decided that the 2011 draft was more about adding depth and size than fixing any remaining positional deficiencies. There was no big key defender or classy medium forward on offer that we were interested in..
The club would probably agree with you MT but in this year's draft any classy midfielders that we rated were most likely gone by the time we got our first pick so they have done the best they could given the circumstances. I gave them a 7 because I could see their strategy/thinking, I agreed with it, and I think they did a reasonable job of achieving it. Of course, feel free to wheel in the hindsight trolley now! ;D
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give yourself an uppercut. But if you look at their respective stats, on paper, Elton looks more promising, he isn't a soccer convert like Riewoldt was, he is more athletic than both Vickery and Jack but can play and can kick the guts out of it....don't make me come over there you stuffin..... We still on for the weekend?
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give yourself an uppercut. But if you look at their respective stats, on paper, Elton looks more promising, he isn't a soccer convert like Riewoldt was, he is more athletic than both Vickery and Jack but can play and can kick the guts out of it....don't make me come over there you stuffin...... We still on for the weekend?
:cheers