One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Ekto on January 26, 2012, 09:59:04 PM
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Why would you bother busting your guts to play footy at the highest level for Richmond?
It can't be the effort and performance because no matter how hard you work or how you perform the so called "supporters" drag you down.
It can't be passion for your club, because no matter how hard you work or how you perform the so called "supporters" drag you down.
It can't be ability because the so called "supporters", who never even got close to making the grade, drag you down.
It can't be because your dad was a Tiger superstar, because the so called "supporters" drag you down, no matter how hard you worked to achieve your own success and won, before succeeding at another club after being supported by the so called "supporters".
It can't be because you are a life member player or administrator of the club, because the so called "supporters" think you are a dud and want you out.
It can't be because you have kicked a squillion goals, because the so called "supporters" think you could never kick and should have kicked forty squillion. They also know what you need to do to correct those kicking errors, but they can't kick for nuts themselves.
It can't be because you are literate but have outstanding footy skills and know how to spell weather in the correct context whether it is raining or not, because the so called "supporters" live too close to a railway line.
It can't be because you love playing footy because the so called "supporters" don't love you because you are too skinny, too big, too fast, too many tattoos, too many grey hairs, too cute, two years too long in the system, too many injuries, too nice a bloke or too much bandwidth.
So why would you so called "supporters", who constantly knock most Richmond players, be bothered playing for Richmond, if you ever had the ability to have a chance?
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:huh
:gotigers
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Does your son know you post on football forums?
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I'll give someone a wristy if they read the whole OP
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I'll give someone a wristy if they read the whole OP
From the way your posts are constructed I fully understand your problems with your wrist.
Go and see a Geelong supporter, they will have some ice in their handbag to help you out.
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:huh :huh
Looks like you picked the wrong week to give up crack Ekto...
Yes this is a forum but hell, this is the most stupidest thread I have.....well...tried to read, let alone understand.
What the bloody hell has the title even got to do with the content......the rest.....I wouldn't have a clue?????
Go see a Doctor.
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I don't quite understand where you are coming from on the first post.
And who is the son of a famous player you refer to?
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I don't quite understand where you are coming from on the first post.
And who is the son of a famous player you refer to?
I'm not surprised that you have trouble understanding English.
Many sons mate............... Bourke, Richardson, Bowden, Raines, Roach. I'm sure other posters will come up with a few others that have come under the wrath of anonymous internet posters.
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Davey, you suck :lol
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So what do you see as the role of the supporter and how does that difer from the role of the member?
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So what do you see as the role of the supporter and how does that difer from the role of the member?
You are not Kevin bloody Rudd.
Answer my question and I'll grace you with an answer to yours.
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Fair enough.
Yes I would play for Richmond if given the chance. I would enjoy be payed a large sum of money to play a game for a living and I wouldn't care what anyone thought of me, especially not keyboard warriors.
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Fair enough.
Yes I would play for Richmond if given the chance. I would enjoy be payed a large sum of money to play a game for a living and I wouldn't care what anyone thought of me, especially not keyboard warriors.
I like you TBR , does that then mean you dont care about me? Would it change if i posted that im a keyboard care bear not a warrior.
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I care very deeply for you Hard Rock, you complete me. :shh
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Fair enough.
Yes I would play for Richmond if given the chance. I would enjoy be payed a large sum of money to play a game for a living and I wouldn't care what anyone thought of me, especially not keyboard warriors.
Mate that is special. So would I.
So to answer your question.
The role of the supporter is to...............support. It's not hard to understand, surley, but don't call me surley.
Just like marriage vows....."through thick and thin, sickness and health, blah blah blah.
I've never seen the words.........dud, delist, hack, useless, gutless, as so regularly expressed on Tiger footy forums..............in any definition of SUPPORT......even for the guys that never got to play a single game for the Mighty Tigers, let alone guys with a long history of busting their guts for "our" club....ala, Richo, Joel, Krak, Tom Roach, etc, etc.
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So you are saying that supporters should never be critical of any aspect of the club?
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So you are saying that supporters should never be critical of any aspect of the club?
No, criticism based on fact or real perception is fine.
The ill-informed crap and bias that happens on forums such as this one, although started with the best intent, is bulldust from people who imply that they support the club and players.
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They can always play state football or VFL. If you can't take the heat..
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They can always play state football or VFL. If you can't take the heat..
Abracadabra.
The players don't read your crap...or mine... so they don't feel any heat except from within the club.
Get it....from within the club.....negative wacko's like you ARE NOT WITHIN THE CLUB.....and neither am I.
Can you play state footy or VFL? Nah.
Can you even hit a target with at least your preferred foot.....even in your lounge room? Nah.
Are you a mouth?.......yeah.
Place your wand in your right hand, you know the hand that is attached to the wrist without a watch on it.....sorry a watch is a device that most people have that shows them what time it is......
Wave the wand over your head four times.
Say the Magic words.................I love every Richmond player and official..........and stuff off.
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Could someone please refuel the ship......take off......
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Could someone please refuel the ship......take off......
Just keep the fuel coming.
Mate, I've had a hard day. crappy weather, but four take-offs and four successful landings....the punters down the back had a ball too.
I get to take off again tomorrow so I am ecstatic.
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Wot da eff
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Wot da eff
Here's another well educated fan.
Get your mum to read the first post and see if you can compose a response that makes sense.
Just leave the words....dud, delist, hack, etc out of the post......if you can that is. :birthday
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Could someone please refuel the ship......take off......
Just keep the fuel coming.
Mate, I've had a hard day. pooty weather, but four take-offs and four successful landings....the punters down the back had a ball too.
I get to take off again tomorrow so I am ecstatic.
Cool, could you please bring me some rocks back from the planet where you come from, that would be........... :thumbsup
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Cool, could you please bring me some rocks back from the planet where you come from, that would be............ :thumbsup
You need to have an understanding of science WAT.
DR Sheldon Cooper can't even travel to other planets.
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In response to the OP.. we the Richmond Tigers have THE biggest bandwagon in the entire world of sport, i remember being at games in the 90's with crowds of less than 20,000 sometimes IIRC less than 10,000. Its a sad indictment on our supporter base that this happens.
But it is only a game and not everyone puts the importance on it that others do.
Even though it is wriiten with rage, there is some semblance of sense in what has been written
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Why would you bother busting your guts to play footy at the highest level for Richmond?
It can't be the effort and performance because no matter how hard you work or how you perform the so called "supporters" drag you down. Edwards
It can't be passion for your club, because no matter how hard you work or how you perform the so called "supporters" drag you down. White
It can't be ability because the so called "supporters", who never even got close to making the grade, drag you down. Deledio
It can't be because your dad was a Tiger superstar, because the so called "supporters" drag you down, no matter how hard you worked to achieve your own success and won, before succeeding at another club after being supported by the so called "supporters". Raines
It can't be because you are a life member player or administrator of the club, because the so called "supporters" think you are a dud and want you out. Campbell
It can't be because you have kicked a squillion goals, because the so called "supporters" think you could never kick and should have kicked forty squillion. They also know what you need to do to correct those kicking errors, but they can't kick for nuts themselves. Richo
It can't be because you are literate but have outstanding footy skills and know how to spell weather in the correct context whether it is raining or not, because the so called "supporters" live too close to a railway line. Jackson
It can't be because you love playing footy because the so called "supporters" don't love you because you are too skinny, too big, too fast, too many tattoos, too many grey hairs, too cute, two years too long in the system, too many injuries, too nice a bloke or too much bandwidth. Kingy, Graham and others
So why would you so called "supporters", who constantly knock most Richmond players, be bothered playing for Richmond, if you ever had the ability to have a chance?
How'd i go
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Cool, could you please bring me some rocks back from the planet where you come from, that would be............ :thumbsup
You need to have an understanding of science WAT.
DR Sheldon Cooper can't even travel to other planets.
I am sure you are there now Ekto..... :lol
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So you are saying that supporters should never be critical of any aspect of the club?
No, criticism based on fact or real perception is fine.
The ill-informed crap and bias that happens on forums such as this one, although started with the best intent, is bulldust from people who imply that they support the club and players.
Someone's still sore that I said his boy's kicking was shocking at training.
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Wot da eff
Here's another well educated fan.
Get your mum to read the first post and see if you can compose a response that makes sense.
Just leave the words....dud, delist, hack, etc out of the post......if you can that is. :birthday
My mums dead Uncle, you hack ::)
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This thread is gonna get ugly...
Mods delete now and save us all...
The end of the day I agree with "there is too much money in football" and the supporters here can be very harsh and negative...
However... This is where some supporters congregrate and on some occasions rubbish players, club and beyond.
Do I agree with it?- not really
Do I do it?- yeah sometimes
But we have to take our frustration out somewhere and this happens to be a place where that can take place.
We are not pies supporters who lick the inner cheeks of the player and each other mate
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Ekto, its actually a good thread and the supporters who have worked it out would see that. The forum is a cyber pub, one eyed cricketers arms.
Your replies are ironic, i know but i dont see us playing kumbaya anytime soon.....
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Someone's still sore that I said his boy's kicking was shocking at training.
That appears to be the case.
One too many sherbets on Australia Day has seen the dummy out of the cot.
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Ekto has been drinking too much of his own plasm
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please explain ::)
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Sorry Pauline, I don't do explanations.
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This thread is nothing more than a scandalous attack on the finest supporters in world sport. If it wasnt for us the club would have died years ago. That we keep it alive as members gives us rights. Its these rights that some want to take away from us. Whether its by changes to a constitution or the ramblings of a club apologist, the club belongs to us. Accept it!
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Someone's still sore that I said his boy's kicking was shocking at training.
That appears to be the case.
One too many sherbets on Australia Day has seen the dummy out of the cot.
It would appear that sherberts weren't the problem
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ektoboab
He did indicate he had difficulties blasting off.......why take it out on us when you can just run a tap? :huh
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This thread raises so may questions;
If you need to have played footy at the highest level to have an opinion on AFL players, does that mean you should have had an article published before you can sprout your crap on a forum :huh
If the players don't read this crap, then how would this crap drag them down and therefore reduce their desire to play for Richmond? :huh
Does the saying that it takes one to know one run true? If so, does that make me highly qualified to say Dan Jackson is a very average kick :huh
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This has got to be Coach Davey. You are such a mixer Coach. Enjoy the fishing as it looks like you are getting plenty of nibbles.
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Don't think so, Tiga;
Someone's still sore that I said his boy's kicking was shocking at training.
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If the players don't read this crap, then how would this crap drag them down and therefore reduce their desire to play for Richmond? :huh
A salient point. Bizarre rant from Ekto.
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I still don't understand what money has to with any of those 'points' in the op?
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I still don't understand what money has to with any of those 'points' in the op?
I'll simplify it for you into 2 points TBR.
- On the plus side, if you've read the OP, you've won a wrist spritzer. Congratulations. :birthday
- On the negative, if you don't understand it, you're poorly educated. Allegedly ::)
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I'll pass on the prize.
Gerks give the worst wristies I've ever had.
More callouses on his palm than on Molly Meldrum's knees.
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Too much money in footy - I ACTUALLY AGREE 100%
My reasoning is simply this! For those of us who have been around a long time and for those of us who remember -
I remember when OUR CLUB came out and said that if we got 10,000 members we would survive.
I remember afew years later that 20,000 members was now the magic number. 20,000 members and we would be able to compete in the AFL on a proper basis.
I remember afew years after that 20,000 members was then no longer acceptable and that we needed 30,000 members to stay competitive.
And then 30,000 members became the need to match the big clubs at 40,000 members.
Now we need 50,000 members with the ambition of getting to 75,000 members for the club to mix it again with the big boys and have success.
Its all Bulltish IMHO!
The AFL clubs are like Resource companies on the ASX, every year they issue new shares and raise new capital in the hope that they will eventually succeed. AFL clubs are the same, every year the issue new seasons tickets and call them memberships so that people like us feel part of it- but where does the money go? The players - yes and deservedly so, but then there are the others. Clubs with well over 100 employees most of whom are on massive money (and for most clubs not do it very well either)- to do what - run 1 football club and manage a group of 40 blokes who play on the weekend for 6 months of the year. The AFL clubs are one of the biggest wasters of financial resources in this country IMHO.
So I leave this post asking these questions - what happens when 50,000 members is not enough to run a club, or 60,000 members, or 70,000 members or 100,000 members and then those same members wont even get in to see a game of footy. What happens when there are no more members left to get and costs still increase? Who will fund the club? Who will fund the game?
IMHO we will end up like NFL Footy in America, clubs will be privately owned and be full on 100% businesses and those of us who just love our club wont have any say or any part of it all.
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China?
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Gee you sound like a commie Flags, bagging the the great capitalist system like that. :P
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Gee you sound like a commie Flags, bagging the the great capitalist system like that. :P
G'day Comrade :lol
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What are your thoughts on the Australia Day incident 10Flags and the Tent Embassy in general?
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What are your thoughts on the Australia Day incident 10Flags and the Tent Embassy in general?
Tent Embassy has an important place in Australian history and from 1972 onwards I feel its important that everyone recognises the struggle and commitment that our indigenous peoples have gone through. And its important to respect that.
What happened yesterday - Im not sure anyone can or should accept violent behavior but some of it seemed to be a put on for show. But Im a cynical mongrel so my opinion doesnt matter.
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Getting back to too much money in footy.
2012 player salary cap is less than $9 million.
Question is why do clubs need $30 million to breakeven or $40 million or $50 million.
What the hell are these clubs doing? Complete waste of money. And people being funded by the general footy public for no reason at all.
There should be an inquiry into whats been happening in AFL footy and why so much money is being spent.
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What are your thoughts on the Australia Day incident 10Flags and the Tent Embassy in general?
Tent Embassy has an important place in Australian history and from 1972 onwards I feel its important that everyone recognises the struggle and commitment that our indigenous peoples have gone through. And its important to respect that.
What happened yesterday - Im not sure anyone can or should accept violent behavior but some of it seemed to be a put on for show. But Im a cynical mongrel so my opinion doesnt matter.
I'm a dark skinned, Jewish, lesbian, left handed golfer - where the effin hell is my embassy? :huh
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ALP Headquarters.
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ALP Headquarters.
:lol
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To Ekto
I think most guys play for their own ego. Tribal domination of other men makes em feel good. The fame also helps and the female attention that comes with it. Some guys would play for that alone.
Why would you play for Richmond over and above any other club? If your entirely rational and you have the choice, which you don't cos your drafted, then you could say at Richmond you will get paid more, because we're an average middle ranked club with a large latent supporter base which can pay the $$ and we rarely have a lot of good players so on average you'd get paid more, assuming you are an average player.
If your taken by an emotional argument, the tigers have a long history of great success that has created a massive latent supporter base. If your one of the few who raise this club up again then your going to be a hero to 100's of thousands.
If your a pragmatic then it seems we are finally getting our house in order and given its really hard to move, where'd you'd end up is probably melbourne or the kangas, two teams that might be well who knows where in 5-10 years.
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2012 player salary cap is less than $9 million.
Question is why do clubs need $30 million to breakeven or $40 million or $50 million
$9 million for the players, $21 million for the apology department. Other clubs don't have to spend as much on their apology department as we do.
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Getting back to too much money in footy.
2012 player salary cap is less than $9 million.
Question is why do clubs need $30 million to breakeven or $40 million or $50 million.
What the hell are these clubs doing? Complete waste of money. And people being funded by the general footy public for no reason at all.
There should be an inquiry into whats been happening in AFL footy and why so much money is being spent.
Its an off field arms race, involving many sports scientists, trainers, coaches, expensive facilites etc
Because of the draft and salary cap teams have to compete in other areas to be best. That's why Sydney could sell their software to big soccer clubs like Chelsea because soccer clubs don't invest in getting the best out of the players they have. They invest in the best players they can buy.
The only real way to stop this is either a competitive balance fund or an off field spending limit.
What I really really dislike about it is all of the clubs being funded by gambling now. That's a bad road to be going down but while its legal there is little the AFL can do about it.
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Getting back to too much money in footy.
2012 player salary cap is less than $9 million.
Question is why do clubs need $30 million to breakeven or $40 million or $50 million.
What the hell are these clubs doing? Complete waste of money. And people being funded by the general footy public for no reason at all.
There should be an inquiry into whats been happening in AFL footy and why so much money is being spent.
I think the pies spent 19mill on their footy department last year? That includes all staff and junkets to arizona, then $$$ for rent and other day to day running costs.
Agreed its out of control, when will enough be enough, surely there is a ceiling somewhere? 75k members and in 5 years that wont be enough lmao. BTW pies will liklely break 80k this year
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Too much money in footy - I ACTUALLY AGREE 100%
My reasoning is simply this! For those of us who have been around a long time and for those of us who remember -
I remember when OUR CLUB came out and said that if we got 10,000 members we would survive.
I remember afew years later that 20,000 members was now the magic number. 20,000 members and we would be able to compete in the AFL on a proper basis.
I remember afew years after that 20,000 members was then no longer acceptable and that we needed 30,000 members to stay competitive.
And then 30,000 members became the need to match the big clubs at 40,000 members.
Now we need 50,000 members with the ambition of getting to 75,000 members for the club to mix it again with the big boys and have success.
Its all Bulltish IMHO!
The AFL clubs are like Resource companies on the ASX, every year they issue new shares and raise new capital in the hope that they will eventually succeed. AFL clubs are the same, every year the issue new seasons tickets and call them memberships so that people like us feel part of it- but where does the money go? The players - yes and deservedly so, but then there are the others. Clubs with well over 100 employees most of whom are on massive money (and for most clubs not do it very well either)- to do what - run 1 football club and manage a group of 40 blokes who play on the weekend for 6 months of the year. The AFL clubs are one of the biggest wasters of financial resources in this country IMHO.
So I leave this post asking these questions - what happens when 50,000 members is not enough to run a club, or 60,000 members, or 70,000 members or 100,000 members and then those same members wont even get in to see a game of footy. What happens when there are no more members left to get and costs still increase? Who will fund the club? Who will fund the game?
IMHO we will end up like NFL Footy in America, clubs will be privately owned and be full on 100% businesses and those of us who just love our club wont have any say or any part of it all.
Interesting post and definitely food for thought.
peees me off a little when the state of the game forces a club to reach to it's members & supporters pockets for things like TFTF, not to be great as it suggests but really just to remain competitive with the big clubs.
Sure I made contributions but how many times can you go to the well? I love my club but it all seems a little out of whack to me.
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whats of interest is this.
When a player gets drafted and they first interview him, they usually say, Gee I am glad I am at RFC.
but really there saying, Gee I am glad I got an AFL job..
Wouldnt matter what club drafted them, there first sentence would be the same.
Its a lucative career choice for them
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That isn't really insightful at all. They are professional sportsman. They want a job in their chosen sport. Anything else is a bonus.
The number 1 pick (and all GWS picks) referenced playing AFL as their stated goal when asked about moving from home to Sydney, non football state, new team in comp etc etc.
If they are asked about the club which drafted them, they are hardly going to say " I actually barracked for Carlton so I'd have preferred to be drafted there but thems the breaks"
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First part of your post i agree with jack, but it is only a lucrative career choice for a small percentage of draftees. Only a very small number of the 100 or so draftees each year will end up providing a for them and their families for life from football.
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That isn't really insightful at all. They are professional sportsman. They want a job in their chosen sport. Anything else is a bonus.
The number 1 pick (and all GWS picks) referenced playing AFL as their stated goal when asked about moving from home to Sydney, non football state, new team in comp etc etc.
If they are asked about the club which drafted them, they are hardly going to say " I actually barracked for Carlton so I'd have preferred to be drafted there but thems the breaks"
So true. A young player who gets drafted to the club they support is in a very small minority.
Overall AFL footballers get paid very well to do the thing they love and if they can't handle the scrutiny that comes with professional sport then they should go play in the bush leagues, which many talented footballers actually choose to do.
The spotlight of the AFL and all that comes with it, isn't for everyone.
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IMHO The problem is not the $9 million that the players get per club the problem is all the hangers on, the wastage of funds on no hopers, on junkets and on all the rest of the wasted expenditures.
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IMHO The problem is not the $9 million that the players get per club the problem is all the hangers on, the wastage of funds on no hopers, on junkets and on all the rest of the wasted expenditures.
You would be shocked at how right this comment is, the ripple affect on income generated in the AFL industry is to be seen to be believed
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Like US training camps for a start.
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but that is the whole point of the capitalist system, to take money out one persons pocket and put it someone else's. That is the crux of of it .
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7 years say in the public eye of footy averaging $200-250k per annum. It's just a fact of life with all that naturally comes the supporter scrutiny and especially so for fringe players on the edge (I would never question any footballer's courage crossing over that white line though). For a relative or friend of an AFL player it's probably best to avoid reading any of these forums plus the sporting sections of the papers. All supporters of all the clubs let rip (funny stuff when it's opposition fans turning on their own) as most people's loyalty and passion is for the club foremost ahead of individual players and coaches. Players and coaches come and go but the club is enternal. Always has been and always will be. Well before the net even existed abuse has been flying over the fence since the year dot. A professional footballer needs to be able to block it out and have a small trusted inner sanctum of family and true friends who they can turn to in good times and in bad (injury or lack of form). Footy is a brutal sport physically, mentally and emotionally.