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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on February 08, 2012, 03:34:26 PM
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Essendon fans on BB have a thread going about us in 2012.......
http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=64029
1st preview by poster 'AllBlack'
So we are getting to the interesting teams. I think footy is more fun with a competitive Richmond. They have looked for the last couple of years like something is building and the culture there is changing but whether enough has happened to see some genuine movement up the ladder may be a different story.
It is hard not to rate Hardwick as a coach. He has changed the mentality at Tigerland, they look a better unit. He has asserted himself in a short time, performs well in the media and has taken control of the Tigers. The thing though is he has yet to produce the results and we know the Tigers have an expectation of success whether it is merited or not. Hardwick will have some pressure on him this year.
The backline is a headache. The conceded the third most points of any team last year and will be hoping natural development of some of their young KP defenders may start to curb that but will be some serious question around whether players like Post, Astbury and Webberly are up to it. Moore and McGuane are too short to play on the big guys and constantly monstered. They need some young KP talent to step up this year in a big way. I thought Rance was ok last year but he played everywhere. Newman is reliable as is Deledio in drive from the backline. Houli was good for them last year and played well as a loose man down back. Still a long way to go down back and a lot of worries for Richmond fans.
The Tigers have obviously focused on stocking up on midfield talent and you can see the benefits. Conca will be better again this year as will Cotchin if he can stay fit. Martin is a monster and despite predictions he might not have as much upside as others, he has a competitive instinct and will just get better. Will be interesting to see how Tuck is treated this year. They seem determined to move past him and he seems determined to stay in the team, he is in their best 22 now but not in their next premiership team. I thought Grigg was a handy pick up for them last year. Deledio needs to spend more time in the middle as well. If Foley can stay on the track he should be better this year as well and his best is excellent. Jackson plays his role as well as anyone and is winning more ball. They need the midfield to click this year and give them some dominance to make up for shortfalls at either end.
The forward line is a one man show. Reiwoldt fires and they look like world beaters. He is injured or off his game and it becomes worrying. Vickery showed he is developing well last year and should improve further although I think he is more of a ruckman who rests forward rather than a forward who can help out in the ruck. The talk from Richmond is they want him to be a ruckman. King and Nahas do a bit of damage from a smalls perspective but all in all they are going to need a chop out from their mids to kick winning scores on a regular basis.
The rucks are a bit of a struggle. Maric has been brought in for his tap work but doesnt give enough around the ground. Graham looked a good prospect but fell away last year. Vickery is the long term plan but is still young and finding his feet, I think he will be good eventually but isnt ready just yet to be the number one ruck. Browne is a big kid but the game seems to happen around him and he doesnt have much influence although that may improve with experience.
I worry for the Tigers and where their improvement will come from. They have built a very good young midfield but we have seen other teams do that and unless you have the forward and backs to support them, you are leaving too much to too few. They lack overall depth and I would be surprised to see them move up the table this year. A slight drop is even possible. 11-14 for mine looks about their mark.
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Ive enjoyed reading their comments- If anything it shows how Little they think of our playing group and our club judging by some of those comments.
For eg:
Club should be shut down & moved to Tasmania.
Its their only hope.
Start again.""
and...
"Houli is one of the tigers better players. As long as that remains the case they are going absolutely no where near September. "
I would like to silence the critics this year :shh whoa
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Interesting to get a filthy Bumber supporters point of view.
Maybe it's bias, but I see more scope for improvement for us than the Bumbers. Hurley will get better, but Bumber fans already think he's better than Carey. I see guys like Monfries, Davey, Stanton and Melksham as ordinary players who have peaked physically, their versions of Pettifer, Tivendale, Hyde and Tambling. They can outsmart, outlast and outbody a kid, but their ceiling is very low and they'll end up list cloggers.
He's right about the backline, but it is improving. Morris is hopefully our Milne, Betts, Ballantyne stopper. Batch is a gun in the making and Grimes will be back.
Everyone knows our rucks are rubbish. Hopefully Maric can get us first use a bit more often and also stop the opposition rucks from winning so many easy taps.
Ive enjoyed reading their comments- If anything it shows how Little they think of our playing group and our club judging by some of those comments.
For eg:
Club should be shut down & moved to Tasmania.
Its their only hope.
Start again.""
and...
"Houli is one of the tigers better players. As long as that remains the case they are going absolutely no where near September. "
I would like to silence the critics this year :shh whoa
For all the Bumber gloating and trolling of us, we still have the wood over them ;D
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Isn't it odd that it's only ever Bummer fans that don't think Houli is any good :laugh:
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Isn't it odd that it's only ever Bummer fans that don't think Houli is any good :laugh:
bit like Richmond supporters who say Schulz hasn't done anything since getting traded
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How dare you undermine me >:(
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You look weird >:(
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Isn't it odd that it's only ever Bummer fans that don't think Houli is any good :laugh:
bit like Richmond supporters who say Schulz hasn't done anything since getting traded
Schulz has done sweet FA since leaving :huh Butcher will keep him out of that side for good now.......
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Re: Richmond 2012 preview (from the red and dark side)
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:) Finally agreed with 65 on something. The ignore list is brilliant :)
Very few Essendon fans have a clue it seems. Fans should stick to talking about their own sides unless they watching other clubs on a regular basis
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Jackson plays his role as well as anyone and is winning more ball.
Enter TBR ;D
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Isn't it odd that it's only ever Bummer fans that don't think Houli is any good :laugh:
bit like Richmond supporters who say Schulz hasn't done anything since getting traded
Haha touche.
FWIW I do not rate the Bombers. No finals action for them.
We're more likely.
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SOme funny stuff in that "review" (and I use that term loosely) ;D
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some more dribble about Lids in this one:
http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=63933
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some more dribble about Lids in this one:
http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=63933
I lol'd
post #3
Heppel will have him comfortably covered by seasons end.
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They had me at that too, what i l thought was laughable was their survey...
top 4,6,8 finish?? out of the 8?? or as bad as richmond??
Cant wait to steamroll these pretenders :shh
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Essendon fans on BB have a thread going about us in 2012.......
http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=64029
1st preview by poster 'AllBlack'
So we are getting to the interesting teams. I think footy is more fun with a competitive Richmond. They have looked for the last couple of years like something is building and the culture there is changing but whether enough has happened to see some genuine movement up the ladder may be a different story.
It is hard not to rate Hardwick as a coach. He has changed the mentality at Tigerland, they look a better unit. He has asserted himself in a short time, performs well in the media and has taken control of the Tigers. The thing though is he has yet to produce the results and we know the Tigers have an expectation of success whether it is merited or not. Hardwick will have some pressure on him this year.
The backline is a headache. The conceded the third most points of any team last year and will be hoping natural development of some of their young KP defenders may start to curb that but will be some serious question around whether players like Post, Astbury and Webberly are up to it. Moore and McGuane are too short to play on the big guys and constantly monstered. They need some young KP talent to step up this year in a big way. I thought Rance was ok last year but he played everywhere. Newman is reliable as is Deledio in drive from the backline. Houli was good for them last year and played well as a loose man down back. Still a long way to go down back and a lot of worries for Richmond fans.
The Tigers have obviously focused on stocking up on midfield talent and you can see the benefits. Conca will be better again this year as will Cotchin if he can stay fit. Martin is a monster and despite predictions he might not have as much upside as others, he has a competitive instinct and will just get better. Will be interesting to see how Tuck is treated this year. They seem determined to move past him and he seems determined to stay in the team, he is in their best 22 now but not in their next premiership team. I thought Grigg was a handy pick up for them last year. Deledio needs to spend more time in the middle as well. If Foley can stay on the track he should be better this year as well and his best is excellent. Jackson plays his role as well as anyone and is winning more ball. They need the midfield to click this year and give them some dominance to make up for shortfalls at either end.
The forward line is a one man show. Reiwoldt fires and they look like world beaters. He is injured or off his game and it becomes worrying. Vickery showed he is developing well last year and should improve further although I think he is more of a ruckman who rests forward rather than a forward who can help out in the ruck. The talk from Richmond is they want him to be a ruckman. King and Nahas do a bit of damage from a smalls perspective but all in all they are going to need a chop out from their mids to kick winning scores on a regular basis.
The rucks are a bit of a struggle. Maric has been brought in for his tap work but doesnt give enough around the ground. Graham looked a good prospect but fell away last year. Vickery is the long term plan but is still young and finding his feet, I think he will be good eventually but isnt ready just yet to be the number one ruck. Browne is a big kid but the game seems to happen around him and he doesnt have much influence although that may improve with experience.
I worry for the Tigers and where their improvement will come from. They have built a very good young midfield but we have seen other teams do that and unless you have the forward and backs to support them, you are leaving too much to too few. They lack overall depth and I would be surprised to see them move up the table this year. A slight drop is even possible. 11-14 for mine looks about their mark.
Would think is about 80% on the money actually
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Jackson plays his role as well as anyone and is winning more ball.
Enter TBR ;D
Sorry I'm late.
That one line is enough to discount the entire post.
Essendon is garbage and their players are a bunch of pricks. Fact.
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Jackson plays his role as well as anyone and is winning more ball.
Enter TBR ;D
Sorry I'm late.
That one line is enough to discount the entire post.
Essendon is garbage and their players are a bunch of pricks. Fact.
Bravo :clapping
likes rushing behinds too FACT.
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Bravo :clapping
likes rushing behinds too FACT.
I'm speaking from first hand experience with my fact, I assume you are doing the same. :whistle
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Bravo :clapping
likes rushing behinds too FACT.
I'm speaking from first hand experience with my fact, I assume you are doing the same. :whistle
Touché douche :clapping
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:lol
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Not sure what's wrong with being gay. Not sure why the bloke that gets his info from PRE & BF is bragging about knowing this either. Pretty poor form.
Coach
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As usual the Coach puts us back on the right path.
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Not sure what's wrong with being gay. Not sure why the bloke that gets his info from PRE & BF is bragging about knowing this either. Pretty poor form.
Coach
Nothing wrong with being gay, its just that I'm not that into you.
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I think many more bomber fans would be laughing at us more than we are laughing at them.
They mightn't have a great side but that hasn't stopped them from being successful in the past (1993).
The facts are we have been poo for 30 years but they have been a very successful team over the same period. As much as I'd hate to admit it but I wouldn't be suprised if they finish ahead of us again. It's in their DNA to be competitve. The whole club hates missing finals.
Teams like St.kilda, Melbourne, Footscray & dare I say it... Us. Losers with loser DNA.
I really do HOPE that this isn't the case for us anymore since the inclusion of Hardwick, Benny Gale & co.
I just hope that this year is a breakthrough year for us.
Finals is a must. Nothing less should be accepted.
And the most important thing that must be included & stamped into every person that walks into the club....
WE MUST BEAT CARLSCUM!!!
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Preview #2 by Blummers32
I still think Richmond are another year away from being able to play consistent footy and causing havoc with their opposition. They still give games to some sub-standard players who wouldn't be getting games at other clubs.
Not only do they have sub standard players, but their lack of foot skills has always been a concern. It's getting better, but it is still behind the better teams in the league.
Their back line is getting better but it is still behind the rest of the league. Their talls are their biggest problem as they aren't overly mobile players and don't do much when they have the ball. Their best tall would be Rance and he'd be better suited to play on mid sized forwards. McGuane, Astbury, Grimes and Moore aren't exactly the kind of players you can build a defense around. And I doubt a player like Buddy Franklin or even Hurley would be worried too much by having to play on either of those players.
Their smallish defender are good. And they seem to have the potential to be one of the best in the league in a few years time. Bachelor, Ellis and Newman are all going to be very good. Add in Houli and Deledio and you suddenly have good options.
Their mids are very good but it falls away quickly. Martin, Conca, Cotch and Foley are good and they can use Nahas, Deledio and Houli trou the middle, but they need more options and more quality depth to match it with the better teams.
Their rucks are a schemozzle. The worst rucks in the league with no real gun future options. Maric will turn out to be a mistake. Browne and Graham barely dominate VFL. Derrickx is their best option but had injuries last year and didn't perform well in VFL. I'm surprised they don't have a developing young ruck to work with (unless Vickery turn into a ruck option).
Their forwards are okay. Obviously they still rely on Reiwoldt but I think he has better support than he did a few years back.
Onto the players...
Matthew Arnot - he's a big boy. Definately ate is pasta as a kid. Not sure he will get games straight away but he should be okay. I'm not sure what his skills are like tough.
David Astbury - I liked the look of him as a forward. Thought the back line wasn't the spot for him though. Will be interesting to see where he plays.
Jake Batchelor - one of their better value picks of the last few years. Composed across the back and has a very good kick on him.
Andrew L. Browne - is lucky to be on any list. He's a 90s ruckman who will not be ale to adapt to modern ruck play.
Reece Conca - not sold on him yet, but he seems to go okay. Richmond would be kicking themselves that they didn't take Heppell, but Conca isn't such a bad option.
Daniel Connors - talented but off field issues are hurting him badly. He could find himself delisted as Richmond have found other options to play his role.
Brett Deledio - I know he's being groomed to move into the midfield, but with the small defensive options, I would like to see him move into the forward line a bit. Vickery, Deledio and Riewoldt could cause opposition some trouble.
Tom Derickx - yet to play a full game of AFL. They are trying to play him forward but he should eventually move back into the ruck. He's probably their best module ruckman (not that there is much to choose from).
Shane Edwards - not a fan, but slowly getting better. I doubt many other teams would have waited so long for him to get to the level he was at last year (which wasn't so high). His skills and decision making are still highly questionable.
Brandon Ellis - will slot in nicely in their back line.
Todd Elton - nice draft pick. Just needs some muscle and he will be a good forward prospect. He is tall enough to be a ruck, but I'm not sure he played much ruck in junior comps.
Nathan Foley - returned of injury solidly. He should be better this year while the opposition focus on Cotchin and Martin.
Angus Graham - terrible ruckman. Lucky to be on a list.
Ben Griffiths - was a damned good junior. But injuries screwed him and have continued to screw him. Not sure he'll get over is injuries and develop eou in time before someone else overtakes him.
Shaun Grigg - decent mid. If they had a few more mids like him, they'd be competitive more often.
Dylan Grimes - not a fan. Good defender, but just doesn't get much of the ball and therefore doesn't hurt the opposition enough.
Bachar Houli - still can have the odd brain fade. Am glad for him he's found a club hat will give him a chance, but I'm also glad he's not at our club.
Daniel Jackson - cost the club a few games last year with some stupid bonehead play. Average mid.
Jake King - not a fan. How he gets games is beyond me. Kicked the most goals in the league from the goal square. Do you really need a goal square specialist like him?
Ivan Maric - terrible trade. They didn't give up much but they would have been better served trading up a draft pick and going for Longer.
Luke McGuane - they seriously need to look elsewhere. He hurts their back line more than solidifies is.
Brad Miller - they should have found a replacement by now which they have. But he's still there for insurance.
Kelvin Moore - looked promising around 4 years ago but has not really impressed much since.
Steven Morris - tough backman. Hardwick will love him. Not sure Hardwick will be around long enough though.
Robin Nahas - not a fan. Cannot believe they play him through the middle. Think he'll get back to the forward line and Richmond will focus on giving others an opportunity through the middle.
Chris Newman - their best captain. Of the last decade. Actually their best one since Dale Weightman. Having said that they haven't had many great ones since.
Jayden Post - was supposed to be their next Richo but hasn't delivered yet. Just doesn't have the hunger for the ball the pat few years and am unsure if he ever will.
Alex Rance - has deservedly so earns himself a spot in their best team. Should continue to be a solid play for them.
Jack Riewoldt - an injury interrupted pre-season due to surgery and the matches vs Ireland. Think he'll have similar year to last season.
Shane Tuck - doesn't deserve a game. He gets the footy, but he also butchers it.
Tyrone Vickery - finally came on last season. Surprised that he prefers being a forward as I think he'd be of better value to the team as a ruck.
Jeromey Webberley - won't make it. He came to the club stick thin and is still struggling to build much muscle. Doesn't really hurt the opposition with his disposal so he should be held back in the VFL for the year.
Matt White - how does he get games? He does his best and has speed to burn, but he just doesn't tackle enough, finish when playing as a forward or hurt the opposition with is disposal.
Addam Maric - good rookie pick up. I think he will overtake Nahas eventually.
Gibson Turner - one of benfti's favorites. Should get some games eventually. They've really done well with their rookie picks.
they should be confident with their games in Vic against Melb (twice), Sydney, Saints, Freo, Bulldogs and Port. Their away games against Port, GWS, GC and Brisbane are also winnable.
That's enough to put them above the teams that have been looked at so far. But I think there is a big gap between them and the top 7 teams in the comp.
Richmond 11 winnable games
Adelaide 11 winnable games
Brisbane 10 winnable games
Gold Coast 10 winnable games
Melbourne 9 winnable games
Port Adelaide 8 winnable games
GWS 5 winnable games
http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=64029&st=15#
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lol what a moron. no 'winnable games' against Essendon I see. They think their so much better than us its not funny.. I hope we beat them both times so that the bloke who wrote that can have a massive sook.
Funny how he doesnt rate Nahas, King or Grimes and he says that hes glad Houli is not on their list lol. Also says we would be kicking ourselves that we didnt take Heppel.
I sure hope Conca has a break out year and Heppel struggles.
They overate themselves sooooo much!
Absolutely hate that poohole of an arrogant club.
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lol what a moron. no 'winnable games' against Essendon I see. They think their so much better than us its not funny.. I hope we beat them both times so that the bloke who wrote that can have a massive sook.
Funny how he doesnt rate Nahas, King or Grimes and he says that hes glad Houli is not on their list lol. Also says we would be kicking ourselves that we didnt take Heppel.
I sure hope Conca has a break out year and Heppel struggles.
They overate themselves sooooo much!
Absolutely hate that poohole of an arrogant club.
Same here Mate- Their arrogance has to be seen to be believed, and the severe overating of Hurley and Heppell is really starting to grate on me. Yes they are good footballers, but they are Carey and Hird reincarnated according to most of their supporters.
Essendon and Carlton are the two sides we must beat, and would be the wins that give me the most satisfaction. How good did it feel after last years Dreamtime game!!
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thought the first write up wasn't too bad, but that load of ignorant dribble ............ ? :help :wallywink
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Preview #2 by Blummers32
Richmond 11 winnable games
Adelaide 11 winnable games
Brisbane 10 winnable games
Gold Coast 10 winnable games
Melbourne 9 winnable games
Port Adelaide 8 winnable games
GWS 5 winnable games
http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=64029&st=15#
I didn't realise that the Bummers play these teams so many times. :lol
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Putting aside the Essendon bias in the results prediction I think that is generally a fair assessment of things.
There are a few I strongly disagree with, Beefcake, Tuck, Moore, Webberley and Grimes spring to mind but I don't mind most of the others.
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lol what a moron. no 'winnable games' against Essendon I see. They think their so much better than us its not funny.. I hope we beat them both times so that the bloke who wrote that can have a massive sook.
Funny how he doesnt rate Nahas, King or Grimes and he says that hes glad Houli is not on their list lol. Also says we would be kicking ourselves that we didnt take Heppel.
I sure hope Conca has a break out year and Heppel struggles.
They overate themselves sooooo much!
Absolutely hate that poohole of an arrogant club.
Same here Mate- Their arrogance has to be seen to be believed, and the severe overating of Hurley and Heppell is really starting to grate on me. Yes they are good footballers, but they are Carey and Hird reincarnated according to most of their supporters.
Essendon and Carlton are the two sides we must beat, and would be the wins that give me the most satisfaction. How good did it feel after last years Dreamtime game!!
Yes it felt awesome and I was there with a bomber supporting mate who had to down about 15 frothies after the game to drown his sorrows!
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The second assessment is better than the first, but both are shizen as far as im concerned.
in other news, eff the bummers and their woofter fans. We will wipe them like a dirty behind this year.
heck, they have Angus Monfries and Kyle Reimers in their starting line-up! Nuff said.
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Blummers32 LAUGHABLE review.
Grimes- not a fan.
Yeah because he carved your lot up in the Dreamtime game.
What a load of garbage and illustrates why I don't like Essendon much.
Arrogant Veruca Salt organisation.
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Brad Miller - they should have found a replacement by now which they have.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Blummers32 LAUGHABLE review.
Grimes- not a fan.
Yeah because he carved your lot up in the Dreamtime game.
What a load of garbage and illustrates why I don't like Essendon much.
Arrogant Veruca Salt organisation.
Their fans are setting themselves up for a very painful and damaging period for the club should they fail to make the eight. Can't wait!
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This was on BF.
I think it sums up an Essendum supporter perfectly.
Hird says: something improbable that no sensible person would accept.
Essendon flogs lap it up again.
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This was on BF.
I think it sums up an Essendum supporter perfectly.
Hird says: something improbable that no sensible person would accept.
Essendon flogs lap it up again.
that's because they don't accept mediocrity and they demand success. They are a successful team like we used to be. We as supporters were the same then but alot changed from then till now.
I hope we are like that again. Feared and fearless demanding excellence in everything.
I truly hope things have changed for us.
We will see round 1.
:gotigers
Eat 'em Alive.
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Kicking myself we didn't take Heppell... Just what we needed, another back flanker. Spewing we didn't invest in Longer either... The fact that he was gone before our first pick is beside the point ::) ::) :rollin
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Kicking myself we didn't take Heppell... Just what we needed, another back flanker. Spewing we didn't invest in Longer either... The fact that he was gone before our first pick is beside the point ::) ::) :rollin
Essendon would have gotten him, they would have traded their pick 19 and a dud and upgraded to pick 8. Isn't that how it's meant to work?
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Kicking myself we didn't take Heppell... Just what we needed, another back flanker. Spewing we didn't invest in Longer either... The fact that he was gone before our first pick is beside the point ::) ::) :rollin
Essendon would have gotten him, they would have traded their pick 19 and a dud and upgraded to pick 8. Isn't that how it's meant to work?
Essendon don't have duds. Didn't you get the memo? Destined for a top 4 finish whoa :shh
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