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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on February 14, 2012, 02:33:53 AM
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Tigers need to act early - not rashly
Caroline Wilson
The Age
February 14, 2012
THAT Damien Hardwick will soon be offered a contract extension at Richmond is certain. That he has done enough to deserve some security beyond 2012 is beyond doubt. That he deserves a decent pay rise is indisputable.
Less convincing is the widely accepted expectation that the Tigers should secure Hardwick until the end of 2014 when he is only now embarking on 2012, his third season as senior coach. Surely there is an argument to be mounted that it would be wiser to offer Hardwick a one-year extension or wait until the middle of the year before pushing his tenure any further.
The topic of Hardwick's contract has become classified at Tigerland as the summer has progressed although the Richmond board will certainly debate the issue when it meets as scheduled tonight.
Club chief Brendon Gale hinted late last year that the club wanted to tie up the coach beyond this season before 2012 began and yet Gale has steadfastly refused to discuss the subject since.
President Gary March told the Richmond website last week: ''Damien still has one year of his existing contract to run. We have been pleased with what he has delivered in the first two years. The club won't be discussing his contract situation. We have a process in place and we will make an announcement when we are ready to do so.''
Whether or not the sensitivity involves the terms of the new deal is unclear. Hardwick, like any senior coach, would want a longer-term extension but too often clubs jump too early to secure their coaches for too long. Heaven knows Richmond has been guilty of it time and time again.
Its recent history is not pretty in this area. Former football boss Greg Miller convinced March's predecessor, Clinton Casey, to extend Danny Frawley's deal to relieve the mounting pressure on the club and Frawley but that ended badly. Then the same duo signed Terry Wallace for five years - a long-term deal which ended in even more bitter tears and is unlikely to be repeated.
None of the above has anything to do with Hardwick, who has delivered an honest, tougher brand of modern football as well as some innovative recruiting expertise and a refusal to compromise.
He is not a salesman and yet, to date, he has carried the Tiger army along with him. He is only 39 but they hope he coaches the Tigers well into his 40s.
Hardwick has taken Richmond from 15th to 12th in his first two seasons. He goes into season No. 3 with an improved and more experienced list although Kelvin Moore's ongoing issues would suggest the backline remains undermanned with David Astbury also not yet past his injury issues. The ruck situation looks improved but hardly dominant.
Off-field, Hardwick has been forced to wait longer than anticipated for an expanded, resurfaced and fully available Punt Road Oval.
Like all coaches he would love his own reserves team but that is years away.
Hardwick's club has received a financial fillip from the AFL but remains cash-strapped and in debt.
Still he has a significantly more competent and united administration than his recent predecessors.
Melbourne and Essendon, to name two, jumped the gun in recent years extending Matthew Knights and Dean Bailey respectively too early and for too long without a pressing reason. The Gold Coast is on the verge of announcing a two year extension for Guy McKenna before his final season has begun and yet the Suns are in a unique situation as a brand new club which must establish firmly unity and the building of relationships as a top priority.
Hardwick's close friend, Alastair Clarkson, had to wait until August last year - his last in the previous contract - to be offered a new deal.
He was a little frustrated at the potential distraction and became highly sought after but in the end he stayed, taking Hawthorn to a narrow preliminary final loss in the meantime.
Naturally, Hardwick deserves more time, especially given what he inherited and yet Richmond's on-field performance must improve again this year.
It seems unnecessary to hand the young coach what would, in reality, be a new three-year deal when a two-year security blanket looks more than acceptable.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tigers-need-to-act-early--not-rashly-20120213-1t2dd.html#ixzz1mHCQsE7Z
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Would have to get a 3 year deal if we are in the 8, if not a two year deal, but would like to see him signed up earlier rather than later.
Perhaps if he was deservedly signed early others in the team may also want to committ.... :whistle
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Perhaps if he was deservedly signed early others in the team may also want to committ.... :whistle
:nopity :nopity :nopity :nopity
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The speculation will grow but Dimma has just got to focus on the task at hand.
If we do well there will be no issue with his contract situation.
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Seriously, though another few hundred words from Caro that said well ....er.... not much at all really ;D
Didn't really tell us anything new
I am still trying to work out if it is supposed to be a news piece, an editorial or a bit of both to cover all bases ;D
:sleep
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No Excuses!
No finals = no extension!
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No Excuses!
No finals = no extension!
spot on
although if we pull a Freo of 2010 and suffer big injuries to key players yet still perform admirably i would give him a year extension.
Il accept 1 excuse and thats the one.
Outside of that we must play finals. If rubbish teams like Nought and Essendon can so can we
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It is easy to say finals or bust.
In reality who is going to replace him and be a better option?
I know Malthouse is not interested (through personal contacts).
As long as the team continues to improve and plays for the coach it is unfair to put to high a hurdle for him to jump to get another contract. We must not forget that he took over a rabble, lost Richo and has had two compromised drafts to try and build a new team with.
As I have asked who else would do better?
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As I have asked who else would do better?
I haven't really seen a great deal of imagination from Hardwick yet as a coach. Will be looking for some more strategic moves from him this season.
He needs to improve as a coach just as he needs his players to improve for him.
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He has done an excellent job so far. He took over a complete rabble. People placing minimum hurdles are not taking into consideration what Hardwick inherited. I would sign him now to a contract with a higher wage in 2012 and extension years in 2013 and 2014. In effect a 2 year deal because 2012 he is already contracted.
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He has done an excellent job so far. He took over a complete rabble. People placing minimum hurdles are not taking into consideration what Hardwick inherited. I would sign him now to a contract with a higher wage in 2012 and extension years in 2013 and 2014. In effect a 2 year deal because 2012 he is already contracted.
What if we finish 15th or worse this year?
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It is easy to say finals or bust.
In reality who is going to replace him and be a better option?
I know Malthouse is not interested (through personal contacts).
As long as the team continues to improve and plays for the coach it is unfair to put to high a hurdle for him to jump to get another contract. We must not forget that he took over a rabble, lost Richo and has had two compromised drafts to try and build a new team with.
As I have asked who else would do better?
Interesting points. I don't quite agree with you on "who's going to replace him and be a better option"
But do agree with you on this "As long as the team continues to improve and plays for the coach it is unfair to put to high a hurdle for him to jump to get another contract. We must not forget that he took over a rabble, lost Richo and has had two compromised drafts to try and build a new team with."
I know people don't want to hear it or even acknowledge it because some deem it as an excuse but reality is we have one of the youngest lists in the comp and it is still developing.
Some are pinning their hopes on players that are coming into just their 2nd season of AFL footy (Conca, Batchelor, Helbig) others just their 3rd (Grimes, Astbury, Giffiths).
Big ask for kids who've only been int he system 18-24 months to carry us to finals.
Have said it many times we lose any of our top players we are going to struggle... not an excuse just reality of where our list is right now as we rely so heavily on Cotchin, Martin, Deledio, Reiwoldt, Newman
And before people start jumping up and down saying I'm just making excuses. I will repeat again what I've said previously...
Can we make the 8 - YES but we need alot of things to go our way and injuries is a major key
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\n\nHe has done an excellent job so far. He took over a complete rabble. People placing minimum hurdles are not taking into consideration what Hardwick inherited. I would sign him now to a contract with a higher wage in 2012 and extension years in 2013 and 2014. In effect a 2 year deal because 2012 he is already contracted.\n
\n\nWhat if we finish 15th or worse this year?\n
To quote john worsfold- wont happen.
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He has done an excellent job so far. He took over a complete rabble. People placing minimum hurdles are not taking into consideration what Hardwick inherited. I would sign him now to a contract with a higher wage in 2012 and extension years in 2013 and 2014. In effect a 2 year deal because 2012 he is already contracted.
What if we finish 15th or worse this year?
Considering what he inherited I would say that he should be judged more on list development than where we finish. I think we will only win 10 games this season but in doing so we will see more improvement in terms of the list and the respective development of the player group.
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He has been pushing crap up hill with the compromised drafts, wasn't an ideal time to be rebuilding a team from scratch, and yet, we see promise in what was achieved, probably more so than in the past.
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Perhaps if he was deservedly signed early others in the team may also want to committ.... :whistle
:nopity :nopity :nopity :nopity
Yeah, blah, blah, blah to you al and your cronies.... :sleep
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Considering what he inherited I would say that he should be judged more on list development than where we finish. I think we will only win 10 games this season but in doing so we will see more improvement in terms of the list and the respective development of the player group.
BINGO
:bow :bow :bow
Perhaps if he was deservedly signed early others in the team may also want to committ.... :whistle
:nopity :nopity :nopity :nopity
Yeah, blah, blah, blah to you al and your cronies.... :sleep
Really got to speak to Mr OE about getting a "fishing reeling them in" smiley thingee ;D :police:
:lol
:eyebrow
:jump
:outtahere
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Considering what he inherited I would say that he should be judged more on list development than where we finish. I think we will only win 10 games this season but in doing so we will see more improvement in terms of the list and the respective development of the player group.
BINGO
:bow :bow :bow
Perhaps if he was deservedly signed early others in the team may also want to committ.... :whistle
:nopity :nopity :nopity :nopity
Yeah, blah, blah, blah to you al and your cronies.... :sleep
Really got to speak to Mr OE about getting a "fishing reeling them in" smiley thingee ;D :police:
:lol
:eyebrow
:jump
:outtahere
While you are at it get a tossa one made too......who bit first?????
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Reported. No one calls WP a tosser
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Reported. No one calls WP a tosser
Who called him one.........that would be you.......suck... :'(
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Cool it man!
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Reported. No one calls WP a tosser
Who called him one.........that would be you.......suck... :'(
This man needs discipline. The situation is out of control.
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everyone has a different perspective
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great to be back after it seems an eternity...
dreaded prostate cancer..grrr
anyhoo Caro wasting up valuable space...
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He has done an excellent job so far. He took over a complete rabble. People placing minimum hurdles are not taking into consideration what Hardwick inherited. I would sign him now to a contract with a higher wage in 2012 and extension years in 2013 and 2014. In effect a 2 year deal because 2012 he is already contracted.
What if we finish 15th or worse this year?
Considering what he inherited I would say that he should be judged more on list development than where we finish. I think we will only win 10 games this season but in doing so we will see more improvement in terms of the list and the respective development of the player group.
Well if we're going to finish lowly at least this is the year to do it as it's the uncompromised 'super draft'.
Perhaps you're right & we should just extend his contract now for two years come what may.
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great to be back after it seems an eternity...
dreaded prostate cancer..grrr
anyhoo Caro wasting up valuable space...
Welcome back rogerd3 - hope things are better for you now :thumbsup
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great to be back after it seems an eternity...
dreaded prostate cancer..grrr
anyhoo Caro wasting up valuable space...
Welcome Back!
Hope your on the mend :thumbsup
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If we don't make the 8 this year, out Hardwick, In Malthouse.
Topic closed.
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Thanks WP.... yeh its been a terrible year..wasnt expecting to be informed
of the cancer but life likes to take detours we all dont like
but it makes us stronger in the end....
through the support from family and friends i made
it...but i will tell anyone please get checked and a great doctor
(ex RFC doctor) who was persistent....im 46 so guys if you
have family history of this dont delay it especially if you are over the
of 40 as well...as its a slient killer...
didnt get to see much football last year
hoping to watch my beloved tigers climb
the mountain thats in front of this great club...
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If we don't make the 8 this year, out Hardwick, In Malthouse.
Topic closed.
If you had read my post, you would have seen that he has told people close to him that he is not interested. I guess he could always change his mind!
But I wouldn't count on it.
Any other suggestions?
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Don't shoot the farmer if the cattle are rooted. Dimma has cleaned out 30+ spuds and has been making baby steps and recruiting has been good. I guess some people feel differently, but to me this will be his first real year coaching with a serviceable list and some long term prospects, and getting in some of his own blokes to help coach. I'm all for holding off contract extensions until at least mid year but more for performance reasons. One year if 2012 is poo, two if we make more progress, etc.
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Hardwick & the Boys should only focus on beating Carlscum round 1. If he's able to do it then give him another year extension.
:gotigers
Eat 'em Alive.
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through the support from family and friends i made
it...but i will tell anyone please get checked and a great doctor
(ex RFC doctor) who was persistent....im 46 so guys if you
have family history of this dont delay it especially if you are over the
of 40 as well...as its a slient killer...
Sage advice. Plenty of us here in that boat.
Good to hear you're on the mend.
Hope the Tiges put in a great season for you to enjoy.
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Would have to get a 3 year deal if we are in the 8, if not a two year deal, but would like to see him signed up earlier rather than later.
Perhaps if he was deservedly signed early others in the team may also want to committ.... :whistle
If and it is an if - we finish in the bottom 4 or 5 this season there couldnt be any EXCUSE to extend the coaches contract beyond a year, if he is lucky.
He is doing an "okay" job and we will discover if this has been an outstanding base in about 6 months.
Honestly, losses to GWS, GC, Power and even Brisbane to some extent are simply not acceptable results anymore.
Nor are 100 point defeats to Carlton.
I get all the arguments about list development but we need to draw the line somewhere because some of these arguments sound very supportive of perpetual mediocrity
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Thanks WP.... yeh its been a terrible year..wasnt expecting to be informed
of the cancer but life likes to take detours we all dont like
but it makes us stronger in the end....
through the support from family and friends i made
it...but i will tell anyone please get checked and a great doctor
(ex RFC doctor) who was persistent....im 46 so guys if you
have family history of this dont delay it especially if you are over the
of 40 as well...as its a slient killer...
didnt get to see much football last year
hoping to watch my beloved tigers climb
the mountain thats in front of this great club...
ROugh as guts! Did you have to do the whole Peter McCallum thing? I hear you can get a blood test now and avoid the old Hopoate inspection.
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Thing is we have a list that is just as capable as any team ie Norf Ess that could fill the 5th - 8th spots on the ladder so if those teams make it and we don't something aint working!
Time for excuses is over !!!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks WP.... yeh its been a terrible year..wasnt expecting to be informed
of the cancer but life likes to take detours we all dont like
but it makes us stronger in the end....
through the support from family and friends i made
it...but i will tell anyone please get checked and a great doctor
(ex RFC doctor) who was persistent....im 46 so guys if you
have family history of this dont delay it especially if you are over the
of 40 as well...as its a slient killer...
didnt get to see much football last year
hoping to watch my beloved tigers climb
the mountain thats in front of this great club...
ROugh as guts! Did you have to do the whole Peter McCallum thing? I hear you can get a blood test now and avoid the old Hopoate inspection.
I've heard a number of times that the blood test is very unreliable,lots of false positives from memory, which causes untold unnecessary grief.
The hopoate way is still the most reliable method, and you get to spend some quality time with your doc :thumbsup
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Thing is we have a list that is just as capable as any team ie Norf Ess that could fill the 5th - 8th spots on the ladder so if those teams make it and we don't something aint working!
Time for excuses is over !!!!!!!!!!!
:thumbsup
You have got it in one mate
Throw Sydney in that lot as well
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Thanks WP.... yeh its been a terrible year..wasnt expecting to be informed
of the cancer but life likes to take detours we all dont like
but it makes us stronger in the end....
through the support from family and friends i made
it...but i will tell anyone please get checked and a great doctor
(ex RFC doctor) who was persistent....im 46 so guys if you
have family history of this dont delay it especially if you are over the
of 40 as well...as its a slient killer...
didnt get to see much football last year
hoping to watch my beloved tigers climb
the mountain thats in front of this great club...
ROugh as guts! Did you have to do the whole Peter McCallum thing? I hear you can get a blood test now and avoid the old Hopoate inspection.
blood test is first then the Hopoate thing to check also...then the biopsy...then the results which came back as cancer
i had no option as mt prostate had to be removed ASAP....thedn the fun and games begin....
i tell everyone if over 40-45 get checked...dont delay...= peace of mind...
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Thanks WP.... yeh its been a terrible year..wasnt expecting to be informed
of the cancer but life likes to take detours we all dont like
but it makes us stronger in the end....
through the support from family and friends i made
it...but i will tell anyone please get checked and a great doctor
(ex RFC doctor) who was persistent....im 46 so guys if you
have family history of this dont delay it especially if you are over the
of 40 as well...as its a slient killer...
didnt get to see much football last year
hoping to watch my beloved tigers climb
the mountain thats in front of this great club...
ROugh as guts! Did you have to do the whole Peter McCallum thing? I hear you can get a blood test now and avoid the old Hopoate inspection.
I've heard a number of times that the blood test is very unreliable,lots of false positives from memory, which causes untold unnecessary grief.
The hopoate way is still the most reliable method, and you get to spend some quality time with your doc :thumbsup
doctors tend to use both methods.... as you are correct the bloods dont always tell the story...
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this will be interesting how the club plays it as it will be
test for this admin team...
the poor bloke was dealt a crap sandwich but then again he knew
what he was getting into...
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If you had read my post, you would have seen that he has told people close to him that he is not interested. I guess he could always change his mind!
But I wouldn't count on it.
Any other suggestions?
No offence but until I hear him say it I wouldn't believe it and regardless I'm sure he will coach again. A season in the comm box does wonders for interest in coaching.
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Chill out dudes. Some of you here have got the knives out ready to slaughter the poor sacrificial lamb.
Hardwick has had to take one step back before even thinking of going forward, and that is what has been happening over the past 2 years, thanks to the degenerate narcissistic spinner TW, who did a fine job of messing up our list. Hardwick has almost got rid of the detritus and started to build up a nice young list of talented players. I guess that this year is the year which will show where we're really heading. I reckon we are on course with Dimma at the helm.
As for malthouse, the guy is all washed up. The premiership he got with the wobblers was his swan song.
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decent post til you said Malthouse is washed up.
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It is easy to say finals or bust.
In reality who is going to replace him and be a better option?
I know Malthouse is not interested (through personal contacts).
As long as the team continues to improve and plays for the coach it is unfair to put to high a hurdle for him to jump to get another contract. We must not forget that he took over a rabble, lost Richo and has had two compromised drafts to try and build a new team with.
As I have asked who else would do better?
Seriously, though another few hundred words from Caro that said well ....er.... not much at all really ;D
Didn't really tell us anything new
I am still trying to work out if it is supposed to be a news piece, an editorial or a bit of both to cover all bases ;D
:sleep
The conspiracist within wonders if it was a deliberate subtle media drop by the RFC hierarchy. Or maybe someone has been just chatting to Caro and she thought she would put her opinion down about it.
Seems common sense to minimize the extension length, its not like its Northey revisited as we haven't made finals under Hardwick, so he's not negotiating from a position of strength.
When we do change coaches I think as a club we have to be mindful of our previous reputation and really really avoid eating our own. A short contract would be easier to ride out to the end rather than chopping it, paying a lot and looking like fools. You never know when a coach might lose the players, even Leigh Mathews lost his premiership collingwood team.