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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mightytiges on March 31, 2005, 06:06:04 PM
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You'll all probably think I'm mad just for even suggesting it but would anyone be interested in "the Fev" at Tigerland if the Blues can't squeeze him into their salary cap?
We don't have a genuine FF with Richo at HF and with Cambo retiring we may be forced to stuff out money to stay above the minimum TPP. After last week we look to heading for another low finish (+ high draft pick in the PSD).
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if we could get him for free in the psd yeah but no draft picks
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Er... NO - don't need another stupid footballer ;D
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Gee, you'd like to think so, but I don't think we could contain him, he'd go outta control.
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I'd like to see that NOT!!! Imagine Richo & Fev in the same forward line dummy spits all over the place, we could not contain the 2 huge egos within the club.
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No thanks.
And you will find that any forward will struggle with disposal that Richo gets........
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Not really the sort of player we need IMO. I'm confident we'd have plenty of cap room to accomodate him, but unless we could get him in the PSD, I'd hate to think of what we'd have to give up in return.
I think we'll see a lot of reasonably big names linked to us during the course of the year though, from what I understand we are fairly close to the minimum cap requirements this year, and with retirements and delistings at the end of this season, not only will we have heaps of room free, but we may actually HAVE to recruit a big name with a big salary to meet those minimum requirements. And let's face it, we could use another KPP player at the club.
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STAY CLEAR OF CRAZY JOE FEVOLA :help
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but we may actually HAVE to recruit a big name with a big salary to meet those minimum requirements. And let's face it, we could use another KPP player at the club.
That's what I've heard too jezza. I mentioned Fevola because that's what I was thinking of as well as him being a reliable and long set-shot kick for goal. Giving up draft picks is a no-no.
Of course would prefer instead a young-20's KP defender (or two) with good foot skills who can set up run out of defence (would be far cheaper too than a Fevola) but there weren't really any decent young defenders available last year. The PSD was pretty weak in 2004.
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The PSD was pretty weak in 2004.
Waddaya mean MT?
Knobel is a gun!
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Back to the thread, Fev would never fit in. Plus I think there are a few personal issues to sort out when he next plays against the Tigers :thumbsup
But a player like Glass or Gardiner from WCE, Hmmmmm
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LOL LT. Compared to Ben Marsh he is ;)
Back to the thread, Fev would never fit in. Plus I think there are a few personal issues to sort out when he next plays against the Tigers :thumbsup
I'm sure Browny and Fevola would kiss and make up lol.
But a player like Glass or Gardiner from WCE, Hmmmmm
Glass is a WA boy so most likely would be reluctant to leave Perth especially with the Eagles on the rise. Still it's that type of defender that would come in handy. Did you mean Carroll instead of Gardiner LT? Gardiner would cost a fortune and as a ruckman not what we need.
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MT, I would take the 2005 Brownlow medalist Gardiner in a flash.
Do not know much about Carroll.
What about a few of the Fremantle talls (old Victorian lads)? Pay Freo back for our inflated payment to Gas...
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we have limbach, mguane and a sober shultz in future to fill fwd roles, we dont need a dumbarse like the shag
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West Coast have a plethora of young talls who will all be battling for limited spots, they are a team well worth keeping an eye on for potential PSD targets.
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i know this has nothing to do with the tigers , but a friend of mine who owns a company that is a big sponsor of the blues told me on monday that fevola flew to mt gambier on the weekend to meet and chat with jarman. apparantley the crows want him and the blues will trade.
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stiff
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The Crows better have a spare $1.5 million to splash out. Sheesh why did the Blues sign him up to that kind of money over 3 years only for them to want to offload him just 2 months later :o. Thankfully not something we have to worry about but it could be a scenario we could jump into as a 3rd or 4th party to get that sort of deal through and get something worthwhile out of it ourselves like another first round draft pick.
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The Crows better have a spare $1.5 million to splash out. Sheesh why did the Blues sign him up to that kind of money over 3 years only for them to want to offload him just 2 months later :o. Thankfully not something we have to worry about but it could be a scenario we could jump into as a 3rd or 4th party to get that sort of deal through and get something worthwhile out of it ourselves like another first round draft pick.
i think th eblues did it as a form of reverse psychology, to make everyone think and feel as he is such a valuable and important player thus can use him and try and trade him for prime real estate , hope it backfires on them , maybe who ever does want huim can renegotiate his contract , im not sure if thats possible or not but its not uncommon 4 players to take pay cuts
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The Crows better have a spare $1.5 million to splash out. Sheesh why did the Blues sign him up to that kind of money over 3 years only for them to want to offload him just 2 months later :o. Thankfully not something we have to worry about but it could be a scenario we could jump into as a 3rd or 4th party to get that sort of deal through and get something worthwhile out of it ourselves like another first round draft pick.
i think th eblues did it as a form of reverse psychology, to make everyone think and feel as he is such a valuable and important player thus can use him and try and trade him for prime real estate , hope it backfires on them , maybe who ever does want huim can renegotiate his contract , im not sure if thats possible or not but its not uncommon 4 players to take pay cuts
Pretty expensive reverse psychology ;D. Another club would have to be willing to take on Fevola's full contract which is unlikely or the Blues will have to keep paying a fair portion off it for 3 years while he plays elsewhere when they aren't rolling in money. Sounds like a total stuff up to me if they want to trade him.
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There's a paragraph in the H-Sun linking us to Fevola ???.
Malouf denied the Blues had embarked on informal talks last week with several clubs, including Hawthorn and Richmond, in an attempt to off load Fevola.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,16580446%255E19742,00.html
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I also saw that, my opinion is that if Carlton were prepared to pay half his salary- 50% of it for the next 3 years- Fevola as a full forward- could kick between 60-70 goals a season. Maybe people arent interested but a 24yo full forward who can get you 60-70 goals a season and cost you only $200,000 a season...i reckon its a possibility but only if they are prepared to accept a Tivendale and a 2nd round draft pick! I see this like investment....if its got potential and its cheap then why not!
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I'm not worried where he goes, just as long as he doesn't come to us.
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Agree with that RR. You want players who can be unpredictable on the field, but not his sort of unpredictable. He’s too much of a loose cannon and too much like hard work.
The chances of him growing up any time between now and the end of his career aren’t big enough to warrant going anywhere near him.
He’s had two premiership coaches in Parkin and Pagan and he’s taken 2 steps forward and 3 steps back in recent times. I’ve heard David Parkin speak about him and he was prepared to move him on when he was coaching him.
He just comes across as too self-interested to be a good team player and could only prove to be a disruptive influence on the rest of the team and their efforts, unless he gets an almighty reality check, and even then I’d still have my doubts about him being worth the risk and effort.
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mmmmm - :-\
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i'd take him without any hesitation, he's a matchwinner and matchwinners win you premierships. Can you imagine Richo at FF, Fev at CHF and Brownie crumbing, just thinking about it is giving me goosebumps. Richmond should move heaven and earth to get him over to tigerland, he's only 24 years old :thumbsup
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the recruitment of fevola sort of fits in with how i think recruiting should happen. To build a premiership list imho...you must get the best player available from another club every season + 2 very good youngsters who have the potential to do great things. If he comes cheap I would take fevola
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I believe the implication with us and a Fevola trade, is that whoever gets him will have to get our 8th pick off us somehow.
Now as for Richmond getting Fevola, hmmmmmmmmm
His only 24, so you'd think he could play another 6-8 years in some capacity.
We all know that on a good day his like no other player, however on a bad day its not pretty to watch.
His media savvy (somewhat), so him, browny and wallace would make for a lot of media attention to us, can be handy when looking for sponsors, so more $$$.
His contract is a little bit of a worry, however i think we'd have the space for the next 3 years to make it work.
Browny has only 2 years left on his contract, while Richo can just go on vets if the salary cap starts to become a bit tight.
Personally, i don't know what do think.
I doubt we'd get Fevola for pick 8, but i could be wrong.
It also depends on how much of his contract Carlton are going to way.
Maybe if we take on the whole thing, they will drop the trade asking price for him.
Might be another interesting trade week afterall.
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I don’t disagree with that thinking RT, but to win a premiership you also need players who are prepared to be ‘team’ players.
Two premiership coaches have managed to get Fevola to this point where he’s still self-interested and self-involved. That’s coaches who know how to build a winning team and get players to work together.
Right now, he doesn’t seem interested in what can make him a better footballer, or care about his teammates or his club. He’s more interested in bagging club legends as soon as they try and give a hint as to how to improve the team and just drags his club further down than it already is, because he’s got his nose out of joint.
If he doesn’t want to hear it or learn from those who know then what chance has anyone else got with him and if he wants to learn the hard way then let him do it somewhere else. There are plenty of other players out there who could contribute a whole lot more than his attitude allows and could be more effective, consistent, valuable and take up less of everyone’s energies, even if they’re not as talented.
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lets accept some facts here.
im not a fev fan only because he has caused us headches in the past.
but he is an excitemnebt machine in a way like richo, sure he has bad days but so does every good player. he has been a pretty handy player in a crap team, very much like richo.
now fev does show physical presence and is a damn gr8 kick for goal and a thumping kick to boot. his attitude is poor at times but so was barry halls b4 he went to sydney, a change of scenery would be good 4 him, and lets face it , pagan is a crap overrated coach with bad ppl skills.
with fev richo and brown in the fwd line we have 200 goals potential b/w the 3! how greatthat would be.
and say we did give up pick 8 for him and say a tivendale, who cares. what are the chances of pick 8 in this yrs draft to be any where near as dangerous as fev.
we will need a key big man to take over when richo is gone, and shultz will be a leppitsch type defender that can go fwd if needed.
i say if the blues are prepared to pay part of his salary lets go 4 it. he is high profile has the ability and his maturity will come. poo , big powerfu; key fwds are hard to find and you wont fiond him at pick 8.
for all u tigers that hate him, as i do , as soon as he puts on a black and yellow jumper, we will love him because he will become family! he with richo brown pettifer and stafford could be a powerful fwd line
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No
If we could get him for Chaffey and a mars bar then maybe but given we would pay through the roof then
its not on...
I am one for mainly sticking with recruiting young players but if we are to get another big name player
at some stage that would cost us our early draft picks i would hope we make a smarter choice than fev..
Fingers crossed this is another BS rumour with no truth in it...
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I think Having Richo, Fevola and Browny would turn us into one of the highest scoring teams in the comp.
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they would easily get 200 goals b/w them
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I wouldnt give pick 8 for fevola. more like 24 and tivendale. in the end, its a buyers market-for fevola. For me as i said before its like investment, there comes a time when good assets become cheap- like for example when some blue chip shares go through a bad patch, the smarties of this world know that when that happens and people start jumping ship- thats when you get in and buy...just like for examples when brambles were $4 a share about 18 months ago and now there $9.
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Trading for Fevola is the easy part if we wanted him compared to working around his substancial contract. It's not like we are rolling in money (we'll just make a profit even though we're only paying rouhgly 94% of the salary cap) and Fev's not worth $1.5 million over 3 years. Sheesh that'd put him up in Browny's league :o. Cambo and Graham retiring and offloading a senior player or two such as Tivs and Hilton will free up some dough but remember Tuck next year and Lids the following year will no longer be on a basic draftee salary.
In any case Pick 8 should be non-negotiable unless a trade gives us another high first round pick in it's place.
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Eww yuk! No thanks!
A old digger on WLF said he'd been supporting the Tigers for 50 years but if they recruited Fevola he would stop.
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Tigers deny Fevola talks
19:31 AEST Wed Sep 14 2005
Ninemsn News
AAP
AFL club Richmond has flatly denied any discussions with Carlton over out-of-favour forward Brendan Fevola.
Newspaper reports said informal talks had been held between the Tigers and Carlton over Fevola, with the gifted but erratic full-forward looming as the key player in the AFL's pre-draft trade period.
But Richmond director of football Greg Miller insisted the Tigers had not discussed the possibility of a trade to bring Fevola to Punt Road.
"We have not spoken to anyone about him - it's an absolute beat-up," Miller said.
"It's a make-believe story - we haven't expressed any interest at all in him."
Fevola is reportedly being shopped by the Blues despite signing a new three-year contract midway through this season worth an estimated $400,000 a year.
A poor second half of the season, rumours of problems between him and coach Denis Pagan and Carlton trying to find the extra funds to re-sign Lance Whitnall have fuelled speculation that Fevola will depart in the off-season.
Richmond is already well stocked for forwards, including current full forward Matthew Richardson, though 24-year-old Fevola is six years younger than his Tigers counterpart.
Richmond holds pick eight in the upcoming national draft, but that would appear unlikely to be enough on its own to sway the Blues into parting with Fevola.
Hawthorn, Collingwood, Adelaide and West Coast have all been mentioned as other possible new homes for Fevola.
Hawthorn and Collingwood, which each hold two of the top six draft picks, are best placed to deal on Fevola.
He would be a natural fit at the Hawks, who lack a key forward and relied on small forward Mark Williams for the bulk of their goals this year.
A Fevola move to Collingwood could allow the Magpies to off-load its out-of-sorts full-forward Chris Tarrant elsewhere in a trade to help bolster its midfield.
Adelaide and West Coast are also desperate for a key forward, but are still in the finals race and would be forced to offer players instead of, or in addition to, their low first-round draft picks.
Meanwhile, Richmond is close to signing midfielder Shane Tuck to a new, improved multi-year deal.
Tuck, arguably the AFL's most improved player this season, emerged as one of the league's premier midfielders in 2005 after nearly being cut from the club at the end of 2004.
Tuck is rated one of the favourites to win the Tigers' best and fairest award on Friday night.
"It's all well advanced with him - it's at the paperwork stage and it's just a matter of executing the deal which should happen in the next couple of weeks," Miller said.
©AAP 2005
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=3647
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Eww yuk! No thanks!
A old digger on WLF said he'd been supporting the Tigers for 50 years but if they recruited Fevola he would stop.
then he is not a true supporter, the club is what u support thus whoever wheres the black and yellow is playing 4 the club we support. ppl who make such bs statements have no idea, the club is the constant, the club is who we support , the club never changes. players and coaches come and go but the richmond football club will always remain the rfc. any idiot who says he/she wont support the team because player x or coach y is employed should just go dig a whole and bury themselves as they are just pretend supporters
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Eww yuk! No thanks!
A old digger on WLF said he'd been supporting the Tigers for 50 years but if they recruited Fevola he would stop.
then he is not a true supporter, the club is what u support thus whoever wheres the black and yellow is playing 4 the club we support. ppl who make such bs statements have no idea, the club is the constant, the club is who we support , the club never changes. players and coaches come and go but the richmond football club will always remain the rfc. any idiot who says he/she wont support the team because player x or coach y is employed should just go dig a whole and bury themselves as they are just pretend supporters
Have to agree with X here - That said, I have been toing and froing about this and just cannot justify even a first round pick.
It is amazing how players are blown out of proportion. Richo is miles in front of this bloke in all aspects of the game.
Fevola can be a match winner on his day (but from what I have explored this is far and few between) - The guy averages, 8 kicks a game over his career, has kicked 195 goals from 83 games - not even 2.5 per game. Average about 50 a year, good but not elite.
That said I have faith in Wallace and Miller and whatever they choose will be fine by me (Not cloke or woewoeful tho :lol), as TW said he wont be giving up high draft picks, and I rate Schultz has a big future ahead of him, so no trades there. Let someone else have the headcase is my opinion. But if we get him at no great cost - no big deal (Just no 5 year contracts or exorbitant fee).
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i hear ya
im not a big fan of the shag fevola, but say the tigers do want him and he wears the yellow and black, well then he is one of ours
at this stage though 90% of the rumors going around are just speculation
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Forget it, 'the shag' is signed sealed and delivered to the saints, especially if gehrig retires
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As long as we don't get him.
Even if you could get him at bargain basement price, is he worth the trouble? People seem to be swayed by the romantic notion that he’ll leave Carlton and suddenly be transformed into this consistent, ideal footballer.
If he was to go to a stronger team, at a stronger club, then maybe he could work, but not at a club like ours that’s trying to build a team. He’s already shown what he’s like in that sort of environment. He would just take up so much more of people’s time and energy than should be necessary that he’s not worth the risk, regardless of his ability.
A premiership is a team effort and if we want to build a strong team then we cannot afford to have such individuals, who are happy doing their own thing, on and off the ground, on our list, going around influencing impressionable types. It would just be asking for trouble at the stage we’re at. Let some other club that’s better placed to handle him deal with him.
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Anthony Hudson on SEN says we're still being linked to Fevola. Grant Thomas has said the Saints won't be going after Fevola.
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I'd get him if he was on the cheap. But I would set down a few rules. I think he is the sort of player who needs some discipline. Number one on the list - lose the dreds. Time to show you are more worried about winning than your image and how you look on the telly.
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Number one on the list - lose the dreds.
He lost them weeks ago Jake. ;D (On TFS I think)
I'd love to get him. I still miss Cloke dominating at CHF and Roach at FF. Planning for the years ahead with kids is good but I want a chance at success in the meantime as well.
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i say go 4 him! and grow the dreads back!!! like samson, he needs his hair 4 strength
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As well a Mickey joining the coaching panel, I was told last night Fevola will be coming to the RFC. No other details though in terms of what deal will be made or how much of his current contract we'll be forking out.
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As well a Mickey joining the coaching panel, I was told last night Fevola will be coming to the RFC. No other details though in terms of what deal will be made or how much of his current contract we'll be forking out.
Well I heard Mickey this morning on Sport927 (about 5.45am) saying (in regards to Fevola), "why would you want to trade for a player that does not play consistantly well and on that sort of money"?????????
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Well I heard Mickey this morning on Sport927 (about 5.45am) saying (in regards to Fevola), "why would you want to trade for a player that does not play consistantly well and on that sort of money"?????????
Very smart fella that Mickey McGuane :rollin
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As well a Mickey joining the coaching panel, I was told last night Fevola will be coming to the RFC. No other details though in terms of what deal will be made or how much of his current contract we'll be forking out.
Well I heard Mickey this morning on Sport927 (about 5.45am) saying (in regards to Fevola), "why would you want to trade for a player that does not play consistantly well and on that sort of money"?????????
I agree with Mickey on Fevola X. Just posting what I was told.
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As well a Mickey joining the coaching panel, I was told last night Fevola will be coming to the RFC. No other details though in terms of what deal will be made or how much of his current contract we'll be forking out.
Well I heard Mickey this morning on Sport927 (about 5.45am) saying (in regards to Fevola), "why would you want to trade for a player that does not play consistantly well and on that sort of money"?????????
I agree with Mickey on Fevola X. Just posting what I was told.
its cool, i at this stage am not expecting much during trade period, if deals happen , this would have to be the tightest trade period in richmond history. usually at tigerland info always mangaes to be leaked but this yr, evrything seems to be kept in house.
with fev, if we get him, i hope he kicks 100 goals 4 us(and richo 101 :-) ) but say we dont get him , then he is not one of us and who would give a crap!
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Ch 10 news said we're the only club genuinely interested in Fevola.
What do you guys think would be a fair deal for Fevola?
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Ch 10 news said we're the only club genuinely interested in Fevola.
What do you guys think would be a fair deal for Fevola?
pick 8 chaffey and hilton or
pick 24 chaffey and hilton
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The Australian's version:
While Carlton has been open to offers for the expensively contracted Fevola, Fevola's manager Paul Connors yesterday said he was not aware of any club making a serious offer for his client in pre-trade talks.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16774597%255E36035,00.html
Herald-Sun's version:
The future of Brendan Fevola remained up in the air last night with the controversial forward understood to be bracing himself for a possible last-minute trade next week.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,16775070%255E20322,00.html
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pick 8 chaffey and hilton or
pick 24 chaffey and hilton
Might be a touch wishful thinking with Rory X ;).
If we truly are the only club interested then we hold the upper hand especially if the blues re-sign Whitnall and need to offload Fev due to salary cap pressure and a $1 million loss as rumoured on The Blue View.
Giving up our only first round pick is not thinking long term especially with a few KPPs on offer in the top 10.
Offer Carlton pick 24 plus a player(s) such as Tivs or Chaffey (or trade one for another second rounder) following X's second example. If the Blues don't like it, they will have to hold onto Fevola and fulfill his hefty contract or we can just pick up Fevola in the PSD for nothing as his contract most likely would scare off other suitors. We would just need to bypass the Pies, Hawks and Bombers in the PSD. If we miss out on him trying it then c'est la vie.
LOL @ the Blues asking for pick 8 + Cogs or Schulz for Fevola ::). You wish bluebaggers :lol.
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Oh mighty one,
fev cant enter the the PSD he is contracted,
if we wanna get him we have to trade for him.
I dont want our first round pick or Shultz involved, I would let Pattison and our second round go though
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Oh mighty one,
fev cant enter the the PSD he is contracted,
if we wanna get him we have to trade for him.
I dont want our first round pick or Shultz involved, I would let Pattison and our second round go though
can fevola quit the blues, terminate his contract and enter the psd?
is this possible???
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NO
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i support getting the fev, but no way should we be giving them pick 8 and a player like schulz or even pattison.
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Oh mighty one,
fev cant enter the the PSD he is contracted,
if we wanna get him we have to trade for him.
I dont want our first round pick or Shultz involved, I would let Pattison and our second round go though
can fevola quit the blues, terminate his contract and enter the psd?
is this possible???
we cant let pattison go he has to be kept on the books for 2 years.i would offer tiv chaffey and pick 24.but no better than that for him. ;D
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not true re pattison
barry brooks was traded the year after being drfated from port to saints
cheers :shh
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not true re pattison
barry brooks was traded the year after being drfated from port to saints
cheers :shh
pattison was only drafted last year and all new kids have to remain on the list for 2 yrs
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i support getting the fev, but no way should we be giving them pick 8 and a player like schulz or even pattison.
EXACTAMUNDO :thumbsup
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The more posts i see about this retar... egomaniac the more depressed i get.
No Fev thank you :banghead
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fev cant enter the the PSD he is contracted,
if we wanna get him we have to trade for him.
Oops! my bad.
You're correct blaisee. I was mixing it up with a player putting a price on their head prior to the PSD and the club that picks him up having to agree to those terms.
can fevola quit the blues, terminate his contract and enter the psd?
is this possible???
I would have thought it's still possible but both Fevola and Carlton would need to agree on the termination of his contract. The Blues would definitely go for it as they need to save $$$. Up to Fevola to try and get another club to agree to a brand new contract with similar terms ($1.5m for 3 years) before he agreed to terminate his Carlton contract with the Blues blessing and then go into the PSD. A big risk for him when he's already guaranteed that amount by staying at Carlton. He could outprice himself and end up out of the AFL.
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If we trade away pick 8 or any young tall such as Schulz or Patto then we might as well bolt up the gates and shut the club down. We wouldn't deserve to be in the AFL doing dumb trades like that anymore :banghead.
Offer Carlton pick 24 + Tivs or Chaffey. Take it or leave it.
The Blues have to offload him as they so far in debt and their TPP so ridiculously high for a wooden spooner and heavily weighted towards only 6 senior players it's crippling their club. By taking Fevola off their hands even cheaply the Blues could save between $1-1.5m dollars over 3 years as Weaver mentioned on BF. Similar to the bombers letting go of Heffernan, Blumfield and Caracella cheaply for picks due to salary cap problems. Also the Heffernan rule means Fevola being recently re-signed needs to agree to any trade. If he doesn't want to go interstate say that knocks out West Coast for instance. By Friday Carlton will be desperate if they haven't got a deal.
not true re pattison
barry brooks was traded the year after being drfated from port to saints
cheers :shh
pattison was only drafted last year and all new kids have to remain on the list for 2 yrs
You can trade a kid after only one year but he needs to agree to being traded as he's contracted for 2 years.
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My humble view is that we should just wait our turn on draft day and when pick 8 comes around there will still be one of Kennedy, Ryder, Dowler, Clark or Hughes left on the table. I would take any of those kids in front of Fevola any day of the week as a RFC player.
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My humble view is that we should just wait our turn on draft day and when pick 8 comes around there will still be one of Kennedy, Ryder, Dowler, Clark or Hughes left on the table. I would take any of those kids in front of Fevola any day of the week as a RFC player.
Totally agree RT.
No quick fixes = keep pick 8.
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Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
Not that i want Fevola, but, if we could get Fevola for pick 24, Newman and taking on all of his salary, what would you all say?
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Seeing that Newman is Fev's best man next friday in his wedding i would have thought Newman staying would be something that Fev would want and he would also be one of the main people trying to convince him to come over.
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Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
Not that i want Fevola, but, if we could get Fevola for pick 24, Newman and taking on all of his salary, what would you all say?
I'm a big fan of Newman so pass. Getting rid of our blokes who have good skills and hit their targets won't help us get better as a footy team.
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Seeing that Newman is Fev's best man next friday in his wedding i would have thought Newman staying would be something that Fev would want and he would also be one of the main people trying to convince him to come over.
I wouldn't give up a Newman - Have a lot of respect for this bloke. Strange pairing Fev and Newman as mates seems a bit like Felix and Oscar (without ever meeting the guys) :rollin
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fev cant enter the the PSD he is contracted,
can fevola quit the blues, terminate his contract and enter the psd?
is this possible???
Yeah it is possible becasue it is exactly what happened to Zantuck (remember him ;D) & the tigers last season. Zantuck has 12 months to go on his contract and he agreed to terminate it so he could go into the PSD draft.
As to what I'd give up for Fev - well nothing because I don't want him. But under no circumstances (that's none, no way noooooooo get it) would I be giving up pick 8 from Brendan Fevola.
Actually come to think of it I would give up pick 8 for Fevola if Fevola came with pick 4 - then they can have pick 8 :thumbsup
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with deal making like that WP im also considering making you an honorary greek! :cheers
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Tigers take a nibble at Fevola
By Jake Niall
October 3, 2005
RICHMOND will inquire about the asking price for Carlton's Brendan Fevola in the course of trade week, becoming the first club to make public its interest in the forward.
The Tigers are one of few clubs with the capacity to accommodate Fevola's $450,000-plus contract under the salary cap. The question is whether they can meet Carlton's asking price — certain to be hefty — in draft picks and/or players.
Carlton has been open in its willingness to trade the enigmatic spearhead provided the deal is right but it has not received offers from other clubs, with focus on the less-expensive Lance Whitnall.
Fevola is understood to view Richmond as an ideal destination — Tiger defender Chris Newman is one of Fevola's friends, and he would not have to leave Melbourne, where he has regular media gigs, including The Footy Show.
Should the Tigers be serious about trading for the full-forward, Carlton will almost certainly expect its first draft pick, No. 8, in any deal, but it's unclear whether Richmond, which has been rebuilding since Terry Wallace's appointment as senior coach, is prepared to take that step.
Fevola's potential move is a significant domino in trading week, which begins today at Optus Oval. Fevola's fate could have a bearing on Whitnall. Should the full-forward leave, money would be freed up for Whitnall — and Carlton would be unwilling to let both key forwards leave at once.
Whitnall met Melbourne representatives yesterday and indicated he was considering a move from Carlton. The centre half-forward is weighing up a two-year offer of up to $350,000 from the Blues, but deliberations appear to involve more than money — the key being whether he believes his career is best served at Carlton.
Fevola's possible exit holds fewer ramifications for uncontracted duo Matthew Lappin and Scott Camporeale. Carlton has taken a tough line in negotiations with them, largely because of their age.
Camporeale will this morning advise the Blues if he has accepted their contract offer, or ask to be traded. The veteran Blue has been considering terms over the weekend after months of negotiations.
"Scott has been a committed Carlton person all his career but this is an extremely important contract at this stage in his career and I am not going to pre-empt his decision," his manager, Craig Vozzo, said. Several clubs have expressed interest in getting Camporeale's services.
St Kilda is likely to give up its first draft choice, No. 17 overall, for Fergus Watts, the son of chief executive Jim Watts, should it finalise a trade with Adelaide. The Crows want a pick inside the top 10 for Watts, who was pick No. 14 two years ago.
With Michael Gleeson
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2005/10/02/1128191606143.html
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I still think that we can get him without giving up our pick 8, if we take on all of his contract, when it comes down to it the Blues are stuffed financially, and will want to ditch all of his contract.
As far as i'm concerned, Pick 8, Patto and Schulz are off the table.
What could we offer though while trying to be a bit realistic?
This is what i'd be willing to part with for Fevola (not all of it of course! ;)):
Pick 24 - They're rebuilding, so they wont knock back picks.
Hall - Last time i checked their Defense is worse then ours, and Hall will be overvalued at the tradetable.
Hyde - I think Wallaces loves him, but i could live with trading him.
Knobel - Carlton need a ruckmen BAD.
Hartigan - I tend to think he'll also be overrated at the trade table, but i like him so wouldn't want to trade him.
Krakeour - They have Betts, so i'm tempted to delete Krakeour off the list, but ohwell his here.
And before anyone mentions their names, CARLTON WILL NOT WANT CHAFFEY OR TIVENDALE!!!!!!!!!!!!
And then we can really start to go ridiculous, and trade pick 8 for Tarrant and something.
Then we'll get Jonathan Brown via the PSD.
HF: Tarrant, J.Brown, N.Brown
FF: Fevola, Richo, Pettifer
Ok, so the last two aren't going to happen, but try stopping that forward line! :rollin
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Tigers rumour hits Feva pitch
Damian Barrett and Jim Wilson
Herald-Sun
03oct05
THE talk began two weeks ago and by last night was on the lips of seemingly everyone in footy – Brendan Fevola could be at Richmond next year.
While many complicated and expensive demands will have to be met for the Carlton full-forward to end up at Punt Rd, the potential move will be the crucial discussion topic when AFL trade week begins today.
Despite being contracted to the Blues until the end of 2008, Fevola has fallen from favour and will be the sole subject of discussion when Carlton officials meet their Richmond counterparts at Optus Oval today.
Richmond is excited by a forward line containing Fevola and Matthew Richardson, whose expected elevation to the veterans' list would help the financial squeeze that would accompany the signing of the wayward 24-year-old.
The outcome on Fevola, who is reportedly on $500,000 a year for the next three seasons, will also determine the future of Carlton teammate Lance Whitnall. While the Blues are happy to shop around both Fevola and Whitnall, they are prepared to part with only one.
Melbourne has headed the clubs keen to secure Whitnall.
A possible Andrew Welsh (Essendon) for Greg Tivendale (Richmond) swap was also being mooted yesterday.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,16793700%255E11088,00.html
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Fevola, Whitnall pawns in Blues' trading plan
Greg Denham
The Australian
October 03, 2005
It is understood the Blues want the contracted Fevola out but are hoping to retain Whitnall, who is off contract and in dispute over their financial offer. Carlton wants Whitnall to take a pay cut.
But the financially strapped club cannot act until Fevola is sent to another club for the right deal, and there has been no interest according to Fevola's manager Paul Connors. What appears certain is that Fevola and Whitnall will not be team-mates for much longer. Carlton is also still to secure Matthew Lappin and Scott Camporeale.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16792612%255E36035,00.html
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Should the Tigers be serious about trading for the full-forward, Carlton will almost certainly expect its first draft pick, No. 8, in any deal, but it's unclear whether Richmond, which has been rebuilding since Terry Wallace's appointment as senior coach, is prepared to take that step.
A promise is a promise RFC! NO trading pick 8 unless a Judd was on offer and Fevola is no Judd >:(.
When another club in this case possibly us :P is willing to save you $1.35-1.5m over 3 years when you're up to your up to your eyeballs in debt like Carlton is then that is part of the trade deal. It isn't simply Fevola in exchange for pick(s) or player(s).
I still think that we can get him without giving up our pick 8, if we take on all of his contract, when it comes down to it the Blues are stuffed financially, and will want to ditch all of his contract.
As far as i'm concerned, Pick 8, Patto and Schulz are off the table.
What could we offer though while trying to be a bit realistic?
This is what i'd be willing to part with for Fevola (not all of it of course! ;)):
Pick 24 - They're rebuilding, so they wont knock back picks.
Hall - Last time i checked their Defense is worse then ours, and Hall will be overvalued at the tradetable.
Hyde - I think Wallaces loves him, but i could live with trading him.
Knobel - Carlton need a ruckmen BAD.
Hartigan - I tend to think he'll also be overrated at the trade table, but i like him so wouldn't want to trade him.
Krakeour - They have Betts, so i'm tempted to delete Krakeour off the list, but ohwell his here.
And before anyone mentions their names, CARLTON WILL NOT WANT CHAFFEY OR TIVENDALE!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would reckon pick 24 + taking on nearly if not all of his contract is a given for any deal to go through and be agreed upon by both parties. Miller said last week that Krakouer was safe. Knobel's contract wouldn't save them much money you would think. Your other choices Razor aren't unrealistic. If we think Schulz can hold down CHB then we may think we can let Hall go. He's also the oldest of your list at 25 (in 3 weeks time). Hyde is 23 while Hartigan is 20.
If we're the only club truly interested that can afford Fevola salary-cap wise and Carlton want Fevola out because they are financially up the creek then we hold the upper hand in negoitations because we don't have to take him but Carlton have to hold onto Fevola if they can't trade him.
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radio said this morning they will offer tiv, hall and pick 24 or 8 depending if they pay part his contract. love to know how gold 104 got this info!!!
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thats crazy, 24 and Hall should see this out.
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thats crazy, 24 and Hall should see this out.
the good news is that we have the power in the deal , they are the ones who want him out
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Should the Tigers be serious about trading for the full-forward, Carlton will almost certainly expect its first draft pick, No. 8, in any deal, but it's unclear whether Richmond, which has been rebuilding since Terry Wallace's appointment as senior coach, is prepared to take that step.
A promise is a promise RFC! NO trading pick 8 unless a Judd was on offer and Fevola is no Judd >:(.
He’s far from it MT. After all that's been said, if we now trade away pick 8, unless it’s to get a higher draft pick, then GM and TW should pack their bags now. :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead >:( >:( >:(
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Don't worry, i can't see us trading our 8th pick for Fevola, especially if we take on all of his contract.
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RFC have to have rocks in their head to want to pick him up at any price.
There are enough challenges in the AFL without going out and buying more of them.
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radio said this morning they will offer tiv, hall and pick 24 or 8 depending if they pay part his contract. love to know how gold 104 got this info!!!
I wouldn't worry too much about what the "coach" on Gold 104 has to say X, he was the one who predicted on day one of trade week last year that the "coach mail was that Ottens would be going to Sydney". And where did he end up again :help He also said that there was absolutely no way in the world that one Terry Wallace would coach Richmond................what's the name of the the Tiger's coach again :help
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Fevola talk premature: Miller
11:19:30 AM Mon 3 October, 2005
Matt Burgan
Sportal for afl.com.au
Richmond director of football Greg Miller has confirmed he has spoken to Carlton forward Brendan Fevola, but added that it is too early to know whether the enigmatic Blue will become a Tiger.
Miller, speaking on the first day of the exchange period at Optus Oval, suggested plenty of water needed to go under the bridge before Fevola could become a Tiger.
"I spoke to him a few weeks ago and there has been no discussion since and I haven't spoken to Carlton at all, so it's a bit premature, that's for sure," Miller said.
"I've spoken to 15 or 20 players in the last couple of weeks and he's been just one of them, and that was two or three weeks ago now."
Asked what Richmond needed to give up, in order to recruit Fevola, Miller said: "I don't know."
"It's interesting, there are a lot of things. You've got to take a lot into account with any quality player and there is a price you've got to pay them," Miller said.
Miller said Jack Dyer Medallist Mark Coughlan would not be traded in a Fevola deal, and he was unaware of any deal involving Tiger midfielder Greg Tivendale or Essendon defender Andrew Welsh.
"We haven't mentioned Andrew at all. I saw the Tivendale/Welsh one in the paper this morning and that's news to us," Miller said.
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=232942
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Yep we have the upper hand , but if push comes to shove and Carlton
won't trade him for a reasonable offer will we walk away?
I would like to think so but based on recent history i have my doubts..
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You would hope we could walk away HB. Miller's doing the negotiations himself. Wallace is apparently been seen running around a track in Eltham today.
Geez some of the trades mentioned by supporters on SEN today have to be heard to be believed. A Tiger "fan" rang up and said Kane Johnson for Fevola ::).
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Who's the idiot on SEN with Schwarz and Hudson who said he reckons it'll be Simmonds for Fevola?! Simmo's a ruckman you moron ::).
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You would hope we could walk away HB. Miller's doing the negotiations himself. Wallace is apparently been seen running around a track in Eltham today.
Geez some of the trades mentioned by supporters on SEN today have to be heard to be believed. A Tiger "fan" rang up and said Kane Johnson for Fevola ::).
it wasnt me who called but u could see where he is coming from, sugar is slow and over rated a tad
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Who's the idiot on SEN with Schwarz and Hudson who said he reckons it'll be Simmonds for Fevola?! Simmo's a ruckman you moron ::).
isnt it that tim harding w@nker
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Carlton wouldn't trade Johnson for Fevola, they want to make their list younger, not older!
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it wasnt me who called but u could see where he is coming from, sugar is slow and over rated a tad
Will agree to disagree X ;).
Who's the idiot on SEN with Schwarz and Hudson who said he reckons it'll be Simmonds for Fevola?! Simmo's a ruckman you moron ::).
isnt it that tim harding w@nker
Yeah that's him ::). He said it would be a exchange of FF ???.
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Carlton are not dealing on Whitnall. The Dees asked and the Blues said no. Which would mean Fevola is the one most likely to go if that remains the case.
Tigers snuck out a back exit on the way out so no comment from us since Miller spoke before heading into Optus Oval.
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SEN are claiming we are trying to get another first round pick (Hall + Tivs) then pass both that one and pick 8 to the Blues for Fevola ::).
Just because we did Geelong over with Ottens last year doesn't mean that's the precident ::). Geelong were desperate for Ottens while we are not for Fev. It's the Blues who are desperate to get rid of him or more so his hefty contract.
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How about we just keep that 2nd 1st rounder to ourselves and forget the Fev. Camporeale has just quitthe blues. This may mean that Carlton have to keep Fev to pay above the minimum 92.5% of tpp. Also Miller just on 3aw theres was no unequivocal statement about Krak. I reckon hes after Polak and Krak will go if Miller can nab Polak.
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2 1st rounders for Fev?
No thanks.
I'm interested in Fevola, but not for that price!
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2 1st rounders for Fev?
No thanks.
I'm interested in Fevola, but not for that price!
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RT never said that
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Greg Miller - was on 3AW (I only caught the end of it) and said the Tigers had spoken to Carlton but there is alot things to go through, stuff like what the Blues want, how much of the contract they are prepared to pay etc.. :banghead :banghead
He also said they'd had spoken to Freo (or freo approached them I not sure which) about Polak and Freo want Cogs for Polak - give me a break.
He went onto say:
Krakouer highly unlikely to be traded, we are likely to keep him
Tivendale - there had been interest. Pointed out that Tivendale has over the years played some very good footy but this year had been one of his best and Tiv's aware of that and when you are on good money and have a poor year your name gets mentioned alot at trade time
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Fremantle want ANOTHER slowish, in and under midfielder?
They ARE idiots!
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He also said they'd had spoken to Freo (or freo approached them I not sure which) about Polak and Freo want Cogs for Polak - give me a break.
if its true cogs really wants to go home and out of the tigers i say f him , i dont want any player wearing our jumper unless they are 110% totalluy proud and honoured to wear it with pleasure.
if its not true, i say trade him anyway, he is slow and has weak disposal!
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Will agree to disagree X ;).
lol, i knew that would get a bite from ya mt! :cheers
no chance we will trade sugar 4 anyone, except maybe a pavlic judd or j brown lol
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Michael Malouf, Carlton's recruiting manager?, on 3aw and SEN said that Fevola is a required player for them. He said he told Fevola that all of the trade talk on Fevola hasn't come from the Blues and is only speculations. It's more than likely that Fevola will be at Carlton for the next 3 years. Unless some remarkable trade came up in the next few days then Fevola will remain at Carlton.
Make of that what you will.
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Thanks for that WP :cheers
Greg Miller - was on 3AW (I only caught the end of it) and said the Tigers had spoken to Carlton but there is alot things to go through, stuff like what the Blues want, how much of the contract they are prepared to pay etc.. :banghead :banghead
If it's anything more than a second pick + a player (not Lids, Cogs, Tambling or Pattison though ::) ) then tell them to shove it. Sheesh as RT said if we were able to get two first rounders then we'd be keeping them for ourselves to use not give them away.
He also said they'd had spoken to Freo (or freo approached them I not sure which) about Polak and Freo want Cogs for Polak - give me a break.
:rollin
Surprised they didn't ask for Lids and Tambling while they were at it for Shaun McManus. About as realistic ::).
One crazy and deluded footy club. It says something when dockerland their forum changes itself and club colours to "swansland" to celebrate their crosstown rivals defeat in the GF ??? :lol.
Tivendale - there had been interest. Pointed out that Tivendale has over the years played some very good footy but this year had been one of his best and Tiv's aware of that and when you are on good money and have a poor year your name gets mentioned alot at trade time
Tivs has been poor the last year or two but his gametime and stats still exceeds that of Cole or Richards yet their clubs expect a first round pick in return. Amazing what being 4-5 years younger does to recruiters.
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The Age
Michael Gleeson and Jake Niall
October 4, 2005
The Camporeale walkout came as the Blues intensified their push to keep Lance Whitnall and played hardball with Richmond over Brendan Fevola, whom the Tigers have in their sights.
The Blues bluntly told Melbourne, Whitnall's main suitor, that he would not be traded, while they did not even canvass the terms of any Fevola trade with the Tigers.
Richmond football director Greg Miller said the club's initial inquiries had been quickly rebuffed. "They said that he wasn't on the market," Miller said.
Richmond confirmed to Carlton, however, that it had spoken to Fevola recently about a move to Punt Road. The spearhead views Richmond as a desirable new club and Miller said he would thrive at the Tigers. "We're confident we've got the right people at the club to get the best out of any players," Miller said.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2005/10/03/1128191660896.html
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"We're confident we've got the right people at the club to get the best out of any players," Miller said.
That's one BIG statement!
Hopefully for all our blokes that is now true because it hasn't been so for a couple of decades at Punt Road.
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Pick 24 and Hall ?
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"We're confident we've got the right people at the club to get the best out of any players," Miller said.
That's one BIG statement!
Hopefully for all our blokes that is now true because it hasn't been so for a couple of decades at Punt Road.
u must admit its ben a long time since we had this quality of coaches and ppl at tigerland
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"We're confident we've got the right people at the club to get the best out of any players," Miller said.
That's one BIG statement!
Hopefully for all our blokes that is now true because it hasn't been so for a couple of decades at Punt Road.
u must admit its ben a long time since we had this quality of coaches and ppl at tigerland
I thought it was a sizeable statement by GM to make. Especially considering that Fevola has already had quality coaches in David Parkin and Denis Pagan and they couldn’t get him to play consistent football.
It’s one thing to have confidence in people, another to pay to bring in extra challenges for them, as if there aren’t enough to contend with.
If nothing else, the Swans proved that what you need most of all to win a Premiership is players that are prepared to do the team things. Players with a ‘me, me’ individual attitude are the biggest hindrance in any team environment and the Swans went out of their way to weed out those types from their Club.
Yet here we are potentially looking to bring one into ours. I don’t see how bringing that type of personality into the Club could be considered a benefit, unless they come accompanied with a major reality check and do some fast growing up. Otherwise, they just make life harder for everyone else than it needs to be.
I’ll be a whole lot happier when he either stays where he is or goes somewhere other than Richmond to ply his trade.
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I am just about resigned to the fact that Fevola is going to end up at Richmond. :banghead :'( :banghead
Cannot say I am happy about it but if that's how is then that's how it is :-\
If we can snare him for 2 players and 2nd round pick - then I'd live with it but ..... the idea of giving up our first round pick just doesn't sit well with me at all. I just don't think you can give picks in the top 10 - IMHO end of story
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I agree re. 2 players and a second rounder being the most we should offer.
I am with you - opposed to giving up pick 8. I just can't see Pagan settling for two more recycled players, given that Carlton fans must be fairly disenchanted about taking on Scotland, French, Teague and the like when they have very few good kids on their books.
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Carlton are still puffing up their chest saying Fevola won't be traded unless they get a fantastic offer. I wonder if they'll still be bluffing come Friday at 1.50pm.
Agree with offering no more than a second pick + player(s).
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"We're confident we've got the right people at the club to get the best out of any players," Miller said.
That's one BIG statement!
Hopefully for all our blokes that is now true because it hasn't been so for a couple of decades at Punt Road.
u must admit its ben a long time since we had this quality of coaches and ppl at tigerland
I thought it was a sizeable statement by GM to make. Especially considering that Fevola has already had quality coaches in David Parkin and Denis Pagan and they couldn’t get him to play consistent football.
It’s one thing to have confidence in people, another to pay to bring in extra challenges for them, as if there aren’t enough to contend with.
If nothing else, the Swans proved that what you need most of all to win a Premiership is players that are prepared to do the team things. Players with a ‘me, me’ individual attitude are the biggest hindrance in any team environment and the Swans went out of their way to weed out those types from their Club.
Yet here we are potentially looking to bring one into ours. I don’t see how bringing that type of personality into the Club could be considered a benefit, unless they come accompanied with a major reality check and do some fast growing up. Otherwise, they just make life harder for everyone else than it needs to be.
I’ll be a whole lot happier when he either stays where he is or goes somewhere other than Richmond to ply his trade.
I'm pretty apathetic towards Fev. If we get him (cheaply) fine; if we don't fine. In saying that the Swans were able to turn Lockett and Barry Hall around in terms of their attitude they had at St Kilda. Granted being in a non-AFL dominant state obviously helped there.
Fevola's getting married this Friday at 2pm. Great timing btw Fev lol. Whether he comes to Tigerland or not he's going to need to mature and settle down pretty quickly. His life let alone his footy won't just be about him.
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There are too many question marks about Fevola to give up a lot for him. At least Lockett and Hall had that fire in the belly to play the game at the highest level and with the right influence, that type can be good value once they settle down.
In my view, Fevola lacks any sort of intensity and it’s debatable whether he will ever be focused and motivated enough to reach the required level of intensity to play consistent, hard football, even if he does settle down.
Till now, he’s had good influences around him and still been erratic. Under Pagan, he looked to have turned the corner and then just went backwards this year. How many more clues do we need?
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Well playing at Carlton for the past few years can hardly have been the happiest, most positive thing for anyone to experience.
Saying that though, a lot of what has been said about him in this thread is true.
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Brisbane chases hard for Motlop
Greg Denham
October 05, 2005
Richmond has offered Carlton the eighth selection in the draft for Fevola, but the Tigers have requested that the Blues subsidise them with up to one-third of his pay - which is about $450,000 annually - for the duration of his three-year deal.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16817618%255E36035,00.html
Breathe William, breathe! ;)
If this is true, can't say im jumping for joy with giving up our 8th pick for him, but i guess i was always expecting this to happen!
The fact that we'll only be paying him about 300k per year (if this all goes down) is a bonus.
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Tigers hunt Fevola
05 October 2005
Herald Sun
RICHMOND last night remained in the hunt for Carlton forward Brendan Fevola, but it is uncertain whether a suitable deal can be done between the two clubs.
The Tigers have expressed strong interest in Fevola, with coach Terry Wallace and football director Greg Miller leading the charge.
"We remain keen to explore the options with Carlton," Miller said last night.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,16819229%255E19742,00.html
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Richmond has offered Carlton the eighth selection in the draft for Fevola, but the Tigers have requested that the Blues subsidise them with up to one-third of his pay - which is about $450,000 annually - for the duration of his three-year deal.
Hold your nerve to 1pm Friday Tigers :banghead
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Brisbane chases hard for Motlop
Greg Denham
October 05, 2005
Richmond has offered Carlton the eighth selection in the draft for Fevola, but the Tigers have requested that the Blues subsidise them with up to one-third of his pay - which is about $450,000 annually - for the duration of his three-year deal.
im happy to give pick 8, the mail i heard was pick 8 and hartigan. pick 8 is no guarantee in this crop to be anything special anyway, and if they pay part his salary i see that as a win 4 us. and about harts, if he is traded we will miss his endeavor and dash, but not his bad kicking and lazy training!
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Brisbane chases hard for Motlop
Greg Denham
October 05, 2005
Richmond has offered Carlton the eighth selection in the draft for Fevola, but the Tigers have requested that the Blues subsidise them with up to one-third of his pay - which is about $450,000 annually - for the duration of his three-year deal.
im happy to give pick 8, the mail i heard was pick 8 and hartigan. pick 8 is no guarantee in this crop to be anything special anyway, and if they pay part his salary i see that as a win 4 us. and about harts, if he is traded we will miss his endeavor and dash, but not his bad kicking and lazy training!
I heard a 5 way deal, we give up pick 8, 24 and Hartigan and gain Fevola and their pick 52
Hartigan goes to the Kangas
Motlop to Melbourne
McDougall to Carlton
Trade Picks exchanged here and there
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We cannot be serious about giving up pick 8 for him. He ain’t worth that.
If he comes to Richmond I’ll learn to live with it, but not at the expense of pick 8. :banghead :banghead :banghead Especially after this comment:
Tigers ready for top talent quest
14 November 2004
Sunday Herald Sun
RICHMOND coach Terry Wallace has pledged the Tigers will not give away one first-round draft selection in his five-year reign.
"One of the aims of stepping in was to change that -- and to change it not just over a one-year period, (so) over my period we will not give away first-round draft selections. We will be picking our own, developing our own champions of the future."
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?PHPSESSID=51c0f223b101a195b7c51b4182fcd4ea&topic=1060.0
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We cannot be serious about giving up pick 8 for him. He ain’t worth that.
If he comes to Richmond I’ll learn to live with it, but not at the expense of pick 8. :banghead :banghead :banghead Especially after this comment:
Tigers ready for top talent quest
14 November 2004
Sunday Herald Sun
RICHMOND coach Terry Wallace has pledged the Tigers will not give away one first-round draft selection in his five-year reign.
"One of the aims of stepping in was to change that -- and to change it not just over a one-year period, (so) over my period we will not give away first-round draft selections. We will be picking our own, developing our own champions of the future."
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?PHPSESSID=51c0f223b101a195b7c51b4182fcd4ea&topic=1060.0
He also said that he will give away a first round Draft but only for a 6-10 year player. Fev is a power forward and power forwards dont grow on trees, once richo retires we are stuffed if we dont get him.
Dont forget this years draft is pretty even so doesnt matter if your got pick 8 or pick 38
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We cannot be serious about giving up pick 8 for him. He ain’t worth that.
If he comes to Richmond I’ll learn to live with it, but not at the expense of pick 8. :banghead :banghead :banghead Especially after this comment:
Tigers ready for top talent quest
14 November 2004
Sunday Herald Sun
RICHMOND coach Terry Wallace has pledged the Tigers will not give away one first-round draft selection in his five-year reign.
"One of the aims of stepping in was to change that -- and to change it not just over a one-year period, (so) over my period we will not give away first-round draft selections. We will be picking our own, developing our own champions of the future."
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?PHPSESSID=51c0f223b101a195b7c51b4182fcd4ea&topic=1060.0
tiger spirit get a lttle realistic.
fev iks way better than pick 8 24 and hatrigan. come on and be serious, he is a power fwd just like richo and a better kick. richo mayeb has more aerobic capacity and can play chf and ff, but fev hasnt really been tried at chf but as a ff, he is a much better kick for goal than richo on a set shot.
now u say we cant give up pick 8, just remember , all the experts are openly saying this crop of draftees is poor esp compared to last yr and next yr is when the better kids will come along. i reckon we will only draft one kid this yr and top up bec we need to, we are young enough and still too inexperienced.
there is no way even pick 1 will be as good as fev this yr, let alone pick 8, judds, deledios etc dont come along every yr
i say do what we can to get fev
the shag must become a tiger! im salivating over a fwd line with richo fev brown simmonds staffor petts krak , its hard enough holding one power fwd let alone two. three
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Well playing at Carlton for the past few years can hardly have been the happiest, most positive thing for anyone to experience.
Probably not Razorblade, but you don’t think Parkin and Pagan would be good influences? And how about Kernahan and a number of other premiership players that are/have been around Carlton over the past few seasons? They’re not good influences either?
Cambo had less than that at his disposal and worse to contend with throughout his entire career, but that didn’t stop him from being Mr. Consistency and having a professional approach to his footy.
If players want a good environment to work in then they have to contribute something towards that, someone doesn’t just hand it to them on a platter, regardless of which Club they’re at. Apart from giving others headaches to deal with, what would Fev have contributed to that environment?
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He also said that he will give away a first round Draft but only for a 6-10 year player. Fev is a power forward and power forwards dont grow on trees, once richo retires we are stuffed if we dont get him.
Dont forget this years draft is pretty even so doesnt matter if your got pick 8 or pick 38
From now on, I’ll remember to read the get out clauses.
He’d be lucky to last 6-10 months, let alone 6-10 years, if it was put in his contract that he’d be out on his ear if he put one hair out of place.
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i say do what we can to get fev
the shag must become a tiger! im salivating over a fwd line with richo fev brown simmonds staffor petts krak , its hard enough holding one power fwd let alone two. three
X, you been smoking the drapes again? You all see that he’s a good kick and blah blah blah, but what about the rest of the package? There’s that side of things to consider here as well, or are you all just expecting that he’s just gonna become a model of consistency once in a Richmond jumper?
I need to go back to work before I bust a boiler.
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Out of curiosity, is it possible for a 60+ goal kicker to be inconsistent?
I guess it is when his kicking 5-6 goals a game and winning games off his own boot! ;)
Come Friday 1pm it will be interesting how bad Carlton want to get rid of Fevola!
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If he comes to Richmond I’ll learn to live with it, but not at the expense of pick 8. :banghead :banghead :banghead Especially after this comment:
Tigers ready for top talent quest
14 November 2004
Sunday Herald Sun
RICHMOND coach Terry Wallace has pledged the Tigers will not give away one first-round draft selection in his five-year reign.
"One of the aims of stepping in was to change that -- and to change it not just over a one-year period, (so) over my period we will not give away first-round draft selections. We will be picking our own, developing our own champions of the future."
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?PHPSESSID=51c0f223b101a195b7c51b4182fcd4ea&topic=1060.0
But after re-reading the following this Fevola situation doesn't seem such a surprise now:
"Currently, our squad is very young and inexperienced at the bottom end. We have picked up 14 young players in the draft over the past two years, which certainly is a significant number. While all members and supporters are keen to see quality senior players picked up from other league clubs, they also do not want to see early draft selections given away. At times, it is impossible to achieve both these targets . . .
I, along with the Club’s Director of Football, Greg Miller, and the football department, have set up a future list-management strategy. As opportunities present themselves over the next week, we will work through all the options, according to the strategies we have in place. Whether that secures senior players to step straight into our line-up for the opening round next year, or whether it delivers more draft selections for the future, remains to be seen.
Original from: http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=232397
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=2274.0
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i like the suggestion someone made that GM is just humouring TW by pretending to go after Fevola so on friday
he will go to Tw and say "sorry , couldn't strike a deal'
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We cannot be serious about giving up pick 8 for him. He ain’t worth that.
If he comes to Richmond I’ll learn to live with it, but not at the expense of pick 8. :banghead :banghead :banghead Especially after this comment:
Tigers ready for top talent quest
14 November 2004
Sunday Herald Sun
RICHMOND coach Terry Wallace has pledged the Tigers will not give away one first-round draft selection in his five-year reign.
"One of the aims of stepping in was to change that -- and to change it not just over a one-year period, (so) over my period we will not give away first-round draft selections. We will be picking our own, developing our own champions of the future."
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?PHPSESSID=51c0f223b101a195b7c51b4182fcd4ea&topic=1060.0
Agree, wholeheartedly TS.
I mean, pick 8 for Fev ? Come on, those advocating a trade of this nature need to realise that the Fev is a mental midget with a heart the size of a pea and the desirability of an anal pube.
Carlton know he is there (he blue-bagged Big Nic at the B&F), want to scratch it, but just cant seem to face the fact that laser treatment is in order.
Fev does wax his armpits afterall !
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Out of curiosity, is it possible for a 60+ goal kicker to be inconsistent?
I guess it is when his kicking 5-6 goals a game and winning games off his own boot! ;)
Come Friday 1pm it will be interesting how bad Carlton want to get rid of Fevola!
Seeing as power forwards don’t come along all that often, the fact that he’s even up for trade says it all I reckon.
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But after re-reading the following this Fevola situation doesn't seem such a surprise now:
"Currently, our squad is very young and inexperienced at the bottom end. We have picked up 14 young players in the draft over the past two years, which certainly is a significant number. While all members and supporters are keen to see quality senior players picked up from other league clubs, they also do not want to see early draft selections given away. At times, it is impossible to achieve both these targets . . .
I, along with the Club’s Director of Football, Greg Miller, and the football department, have set up a future list-management strategy. As opportunities present themselves over the next week, we will work through all the options, according to the strategies we have in place. Whether that secures senior players to step straight into our line-up for the opening round next year, or whether it delivers more draft selections for the future, remains to be seen.
Original from: http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=232397
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=2274.0
I saw that too WP and after reading that other comment from 2004, you just wonder how concrete this plan for the future has been all along.
We have a plan or we’re just making it up as we go along?
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Out of curiosity, is it possible for a 60+ goal kicker to be inconsistent?
I guess it is when his kicking 5-6 goals a game and winning games off his own boot! ;)
Come Friday 1pm it will be interesting how bad Carlton want to get rid of Fevola!
Seeing as power forwards don’t come along all that often, the fact that he’s even up for trade says it all I reckon.
Correct me if im wrong, but werent the top 2 goalkickers this year in Hall and Gehrig traded once upon a time?
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You’re absolutely right. At a stronger club and in a better team environment, if those types don’t have the motivation to pull up their socks then they’re out the door.
At a Club that’s still developing a list, such as ours, you’re not guaranteed the same sort of success. I just think there are too many risks involved here. His name/reputation, to some degree, ensures that he becomes influential amongst the younger players. You may not think it’s a big deal, but I don’t really want his influence around those players.
He seems more motivated by being a Hollywood star than being a footballer. And we don’t yet have the list to carry his personality and not let it dictate our fortunes on and off the field, in some way.
Whichever way he’s packaged, he’s not worth pick 8.
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SEN says the latest speculation today is the Doggies are also after Fevola.
They have also said Whitnall has decided to remain at the Blues. You would think now that Fevola will be traded now.
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They were simply speculating, they didn't say that the Dogs had shown any interest.
They were saying how most coaches probably wouldn't want a bar of Fev, but Wallace and Eade are two coaches who would take on the challenge of turning him around.
Although i don't totally agree that Wallace is ego driven!
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As most coaches wouldn't want a bar of Fevola and the Blues need to offload him for $$$ sake we hold the upper hand in the negotiations. To agree on a deal prior to Friday and one that gives up our chance to pick up a young KPP in the top 10 of the draft is just dumb.
btw Saints picked up Dal Santo with the pick they got for Barry Hall and the Eagles got Kerr for Gehrig.
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SEN says the latest speculation today is the Doggies are also after Fevola.
They have also said Whitnall has decided to remain at the Blues. You would think now that Fevola will be traded now.
i have a feeling if this deal goes through it was done on day one(or b4 that) and they were just waiting on whitnall to sign, now that he has i bet tome or early friday it will be finalised and the shag will be a tiger
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SEN says the latest speculation today is the Doggies are also after Fevola.
For the Doggies to be interested you would think they would need to move Rawlings and his over the top contract
They have also said Whitnall has decided to remain at the Blues. You would think now that Fevola will be traded now.
Agreed now that Lance has deceided to stay at the Blues I reckon Fevola's gone from a 50/50 chance of being traded to 90% certainty.
As I've said before I am resigned to Fevola becoming a Tiger :P :-\ so if that's the case.............
What the Tigers need to do now is hold there nerve - as MT said we hold the upper hand. I'd be taking pick 8 off the table (if it was ever on it) and say here you are "2 players + pick 24" take it or leave it.
Both Ch 7 & Ch 9 were saying the tigers are still the favourites to snare Fevola now Whitnall is staying. One of them also said that Nigel Lappin will probably end up in the PSD and that negotiations between the Bombers & BLues for Campereale had broken down (talk about dud a trade :rollin)
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SEN says the latest speculation today is the Doggies are also after Fevola.
For the Doggies to be interested you would think they would need to move Rawlings and his over the top contract
They have also said Whitnall has decided to remain at the Blues. You would think now that Fevola will be traded now.
Agreed now that Lance has deceided to stay at the Blues I reckon Fevola's gone from a 50/50 chance of being traded to 90% certainty.
As I've said before I am resigned to Fevola becoming a Tiger :P :-\ so if that's the case.............
What the Tigers need to do now is hold there nerve - as MT said we hold the upper hand. I'd be taking pick 8 off the table (if it was ever on it) and say here you are "2 players + pick 24" take it or leave it.
Both Ch 7 & Ch 9 were saying the tigers are still the favourites to snare Fevola now Whitnall is staying. One of them also said that Nigel Lappin will probably end up in the PSD and that negotiations between the Bombers & BLues for Campereale had broken down (talk about dud a trade :rollin)
dont ya love these rumors but the latest i heard was the fevola deal is done and will be announced tomorrow.
tive ndale, hall and pick 39 for the shag, if thats the case i will go and get drunk and throw a party! :cheers
fingers crossed this rumor is right , that means we save our first two picks :thumbsup
and would give miller immortal staus :thumbsup
and means we get rid of two clumsy players for a power match winning fwd who can hold fort once richo retires :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
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06 October 2005
Herald Sun
Damian Barrett and Jim Wilson
While the Blues are expected to exhaust all options of a possible trade involving Fevola, they are finding it difficult to entice a realistic bidder.
Richmond remains interested, but is cooling on the idea of using its No. 8 draft pick.
As of last night, suitable Tiger player trades for Fevola had not presented themselves, and with tomorrow's 2pm deadline looming, odds of a deal were lengthening.
Fevola is contracted to Carlton until the end of 2008.
It is understood Fevola, after Whitnall's signing and a week of speculation, isn't unhappy about staying a Blue, despite significant differences with coach Denis Pagan.
Carlton chief executive Michael Malouf said last night the Fevola situation hadn't changed.
"Brendan is contracted for the next three years and that's where it's at," Malouf said.
Richmond football director Greg Miller said: "We've had no contact with Carlton since Monday and it would be fair to say it's unlikely anything will be done by Friday."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,16830632%255E20322,00.html
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Bittersweet day for Blues
The Age
Jake Niall, Michael Gleeson and Stephen Rielly.
October 6, 2005
The decision by Whitnall to remain with the club means attention will now shift to full-forward Brendan Fevola, whom Richmond has declared an interest in, but has yet to make Carlton any meaningful offer.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2005/10/05/1128191788805.html
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And from our old friend Greg Denham from The Australian:
But contracted team-mate Fevola's possible move to Richmond went no further yesterday as the Tigers are struggling to find salary cap room.
Richmond defender Ray Hall yesterday agreed to a new two-year deal, but he may not remain at Punt Road. The Tigers are attempting to trade out Hall and Greg Tivendale to free up enough money to chase Fevola.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16826877%255E36035,00.html
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While the Blues are expected to exhaust all options of a possible trade involving Fevola, they are finding it difficult to entice a realistic bidder.
Perfect situation for us especially with Whitnall singed up for $400 grand :o.
Richmond remains interested, but is cooling on the idea of using its No. 8 draft pick.
If that's right, finally some commonsense is prevailing.
Richmond football director Greg Miller said: "We've had no contact with Carlton since Monday and it would be fair to say it's unlikely anything will be done by Friday."
Well done Greg.
Don't chase the bid; let the bid come to you :thumbsup.
By 1.30pm tomorrow it will be Fev firesale time ;) and a second rounder + a player or two will look like a big tasty chocolate sponge cake to the Blues.
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And from our old friend Greg Denham from The Australian:
But contracted team-mate Fevola's possible move to Richmond went no further yesterday as the Tigers are struggling to find salary cap room.
Let's see - the Tigers were paying only 94% of the cap this year. Tuck will get a far larger salary from now on but that would be offset by Cambo's retirement while Richo and Gas can move onto the Veterans' list if need be. Then there's Hall or Tivs that may be traded plus Graham, Hilton, Morrison and Archibald gone. I would say there's space under the cap ::).
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dont ya love these rumors but the latest i heard was the fevola deal is done and will be announced tomorrow.
tive ndale, hall and pick 39 for the shag, if thats the case i will go and get drunk and throw a party! :cheers
We have pick 40 so that rumour might be a very wishful little furphy ;).
As long as we keep pick 8 I'll be happy.
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dont ya love these rumors but the latest i heard was the fevola deal is done and will be announced tomorrow.
tive ndale, hall and pick 39 for the shag, if thats the case i will go and get drunk and throw a party! :cheers
We have pick 40 so that rumour might be a very wishful little furphy ;).
As long as we keep pick 8 I'll be happy.
lots of furphys going around lol
we definately will have room in our salary cap that is for sure and by the time lids and bling are up for big money joel will be on the vet list, and gas, and richo will possibly be gone.
the fact that the blues signed whtnall on big dollars will work in our fav, and in teh end if the deal dosnt fall through at least we havent lost anything, and if it does work through it will most likely be in our fav , so we are in a win win situation hear!
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Miller has Carlton by the balls, by 12.30pm-1pm tomorrow- theyd probably accept a can of coke and a packet of samboy chips for the fev. Just wait it out...
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Miller has Carlton by the balls, by 12.30pm-1pm tomorrow- theyd probably accept a can of coke and a packet of samboy chips for the fev. Just wait it out...
Hope your right, i've got a slab on this with a carlton supporter that Fev will be at Richmond come 2pm tommorow
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apparently the deal is off, as said by Miller on SEN this morning.
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this is better than the poker games you see on TV. Millers doing it brilliantly although ive got a thought that maybe you may see us make a late play for a Graham Polak or even Daniel Motlop. I smell a rat. This is great stuff.
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I tend to agree RT - I dont think we're done and dusted yet. I think somethings going to happen tomorrow probably between 12.30 and 1.30pm have no idea what but I just reckon we will do some sort of deal :-\
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apparently the deal is off, as said by Miller on SEN this morning.
Everyone keeps saying it's highly unlikely rather than ruling it out completely.
Someone big from Carlton has to go. They're in debt, will make a $1 million loss at least this year and have the ATO on their back. Surely they will have to reduce their TPP down to near the minimum 92.5%. If Camporeale and Lappin go then maybe Fev will stay but if Camporale and Lappin can't be traded then Carlton will get zilch in return if those two go into the PSD. I have nothing to back it up but I still have a feeling there's a late twist to come before 2pm deadline tomorrow.
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Dam it, obviously pick 8 won't do it, pick's 8, 24 and Hall maybe? :thumbsup
LOL well not really, bring on Dowler!
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apparently the deal is off, as said by Miller on SEN this morning.
Everyone keeps saying it's highly unlikely rather than ruling it out completely.
Someone big from Carlton has to go. They're in debt, will make a $1 million loss at least this year and have the ATO on their back. Surely they will have to reduce their TPP down to near the minimum 92.5%. If Camporeale and Lappin go then maybe Fev will stay but if Camporale and Lappin can't be traded then Carlton will get zilch in return if those two go into the PSD. I have nothing to back it up but I still have a feeling there's a late twist to come before 2pm deadline tomorrow.
i have a gut feeling that miller said the geal is off as a bluff so to speak. let them know the facts are we dont "have " to get fev, get the panic stations up and running at carlton so they will come back begging for a cheap trade just to offload him, as i feel that even though lappin abd campo are gone they still need to get rid of fev as they signed fatty for more than 400k per yr
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Dam it, obviously pick 8 won't do it, pick's 8, 24 and Hall maybe? :thumbsup
LOL well not really, bring on Dowler!
dont get me wrong i want fev in our fwd line but on our terms or nothing .
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i have a gut feeling that miller said the geal is off as a bluff so to speak. let them know the facts are we dont "have " to get fev, get the panic stations up and running at carlton so they will come back begging for a cheap trade just to offload him, as i feel that even though lappin abd campo are gone they still need to get rid of fev as they signed fatty for more than 400k per yr
As RT mentioned, there's more bluffs in this than on Late Night Poker. Miller's got just a pair of clubs duds while the Blues have an Ace in hand but the Flop was a huge Carlton debt, a $1m loss and the ATO knocking and the Turn card was Whitnall on $400K. The Blues will be tempted to fold ;D.
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......the Turn card was Whitnall on $400K. The Blues will be tempted to fold ;D.
sen this morning implied that 400k was off the mark and it is actually closer to 450k !!! idiots!!! no wonder they are in debt
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......the Turn card was Whitnall on $400K. The Blues will be tempted to fold ;D.
sen this morning implied that 400k was off the mark and it is actually closer to 450k !!! idiots!!! no wonder they are in debt
I could always never understand why Whitnall is rated that highly by the Blues. $450k :o.
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Tigers pass on Fevola
3:15:19 PM Thu 6 October, 2005
Paul Gough
Sportal for afl.com.au
Carlton spearhead Brendan Fevola will not be joining Richmond with the Tigers pulling out of the race for the erratic but talented forward on Thursday.
Instead the Tigers will stick with their current attack with Greg Stafford signing with the club for another season where he will join spearhead Matthew Richardson and returning star Nathan Brown as the club's main attacking options next year.
The Tigers had expressed an interest in Fevola, who signed a new three year deal with the Blues during the middle of 2005, but then fell out of favour after a disappointing end to the season.
However Richmond football director Greg Miller told Sportal on Thursday, the day before Friday's 2pm trade deadline, that the Tigers were no longer interested in securing the Blues' leading goalkicker of the past three seasons.
"It (a possible trade with Carlton for Fevola) never got beyond our initial interest," Miller said.
"We never spoke to Carlton and it looks like we'll be doing nothing (in the way of trades) now."
Miller said 31-year-old Stafford had put off any thoughts of retiring by agreeing to play on for another year with the Tigers.
"It's good news, I think Greg always wanted to play on for another year."
The Tigers are also in contract negotiations with much-improved midfielder Shane Tuck with negotiations progressing well on an improved deal for the player who ran third in the club's best and fairest this year.
Tuck played on only a one year contract for the minimum base salary in 2005 after he was the last player to win a place on the club's list at the start of the season, but his new deal is expected to be for several seasons and on much-improved terms.
The Tigers are also expected to retain wingman Greg Tivendale, even though he had been subject of trade speculation, while their decision to pull out of the race for Fevola increases the prospect of the dread-locked full-forward staying at Optus Oval.
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=233560
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Here's the audio link to Greg Miller on Sport 927 this morning.
http://sport927.com.au/gateway/Daily_Audio/Sound%20Grabs/GMM_061005.asx
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HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORAAAAAAYY! :lol :lol :cheers :rollin
Sanity has prevailed!! ;)
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A grab from Miller on SEN said he's told Fevola today that it's very unlikely we'll be able to organize a trade to get him over.
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Miller said in that interview there is nothing in the pipeline that involves trading our first 2 picks, but they have been exploring some avenues in regards to trading our 3rd or 4th pick!
Sidenote they mentioned Coughlan and Miller said that he recently brought a new house in Elwood and that he loves it, so he won't be going anywhere! :rollin
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A grab from Miller on SEN said he's told Fevola today that it's very unlikely we'll be able to organize a trade to get him over.
fev was keen as mustard.... :thumbsup or perhaps is still...
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Fevola to stay at Carlton
By Jake Niall
The Age
October 7, 2005
BRENDAN Fevola will remain with Carlton in 2006 following Richmond's decision to give up its pursuit of the spearhead.
Richmond director of football Greg Miller contacted Fevola, his manager Paul Connors and Carlton coach Denis Pagan late on Wednesday night to inform them the Tigers were unable to bid for Fevola for financial reasons. "I told them our interest had finished," Miller said.
Pagan met Fevola yesterday, when the full-forward told his coach he was 100 per cent committed to the Blues and vowed to make substantial improvements in 2006.
"He's committed to making his 2006 a better year than 2005," Connors said of his client.
The Tigers had needed to offload a substantial sum of money to accommodate Fevola's three-year $450,000-plus contract but were unable to trade Ray Hall or Greg Tivendale, the players they had earmarked for trades that would make it possible to pay for Fevola. Hall has agreed to a new two-year deal.
Richmond was the only club to pursue Fevola in the course of the trading period, which concludes today at 2pm — the exact time when Fevola will be getting married.
Richmond's inability to accommodate Fevola was not based on a tight salary cap, but on the Tigers' strict budget and desire to get back into the black after major financial losses in recent years.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2005/10/06/1128562944395.html
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Fevola renews vows
07 October 2005
Herald Sun
Damian Barrett and Jim Wilson
BRENDAN Fevola last night said "I do" to Carlton, leaving him in a buoyant frame of mind to utter the same words at his wedding this afternoon.
After Richmond abandoned hopes of luring the gun goalkicker, Fevola and the Blues put a month of tension behind them and agreed to a future together.
Positive talks with coach Denis Pagan convinced Fevola to start afresh with his club of seven years and honour a three-year contract signed in July.
Fevola's manager Paul Connors said last night the full-forward was excited to have resolved his football future on the eve of his marriage.
"He can look forward positively now on every front," Connors said. "He is a very determined person, and will do everything in his powers to make 2006 a successful one for him and his club."
Connors denied Fevola's relationships with key Carlton officials had been strained in the past month.
"Whatever was being done was not being generated by Brendan," Connors said.
"Brendan has always had the utmost respect for the people of Carlton."
Richmond and Carlton discussed a Fevola trade at Monday's trade week opening at Optus Oval.
It is understood the Blues demanded two first-round national draft selections.
Tigers football director Greg Miller indicated yesterday the Blues' demands for Fevola had been impossible to meet.
"It (a Fevola trade) never got beyond our initial interest," Miller said.
Carlton chief executive Michael Malouf said last night there was no serious intention to off-load Fevola.
"From day one we have always said he is a contracted player and our position hasn't changed," Malouf said.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,16840963%255E19742,00.html
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Seems not getting Fevola turned out to be a good thing.
Carlton full-forward Brendan Fevola has suffered a setback in his pre-season campaign, with the colourful Blue undergoing surgery on his groin on Wednesday.
Fevola's pre-Christmas training schedule will now be restricted, as he will be on a modified training program.
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=236625
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"The injury did not respond to rest and treatment as well as we hoped..........."
He just got married so probably not enough rest and too much treatment. :D
If the injury flares up again in 4 or 5 years he'll get too much rest and not enough treatment.
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Any regrets about our chase at Fev from any of us OER stuff?
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Fev's form leaves red faces
Jake Niall
The Age
August 17, 2006
Only one club, Richmond, seriously entertained and pursued Fevola.
The Tigers, with the best man from Fevola's wedding, Chris Newman, reassuring them that Brendan was capable of cleaning up his erratic act, grasped that Fevola represented a rare chance to purloin a key forward at relatively low cost.
If Terry Wallace and Greg Miller went to second base by sitting down with Fevola and crunching some numbers, financial constraints soon intruded. Fevola was keen on Richmond, the Tigers were similarly besotted, but that hefty contract [$450,000-a-year] that had been the subject of such scorn and disbelief proved insurmountable.
Richmond's obstacle was budgetary — the club was trying to climb out of debt and fiscal responsibility was paramount — rather than the salary cap, even though Fev was willing to consider a reduced contract. Carlton was in far worse financial shape than Richmond and was still sorting out the futures of uncontracted players Lance Whitnall, Matthew Lappin and Scott Camporeale.
The Tigers said they could not deal unless a crippled Carlton came to the party and paid part of Fevola's contract. This was never going to happen. When Camporeale sought asylum at Windy Hill, some of the financial pressure on the Blues eased.
Full article at: http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/08/16/1155407885858.html
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last year i was all for getting the fevolution at punt rd. he was always going to become a top player, was just a matter of time.
all we will ever say from now on is , .............
only if!!!!
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Do you think we'll take another nibble at Fev?
Trade may be Fevola's best option
02 July 2007 Herald-Sun
Mike Sheahan
THE turbulent Carlton-Brendan Fevola relationship is at breaking point as Mike Sheahan writes.
Fevola's stocks have slumped to where they were after the 2002 season, when only Denis Pagan's arrival as coach kept him at Princes Park.
Now, even Pagan seems to have lost faith in the erratic full-forward.
There isn't a player in the competition whose best and worst are so far removed.
When Matthew Richardson is bad, he is very bad, yet Richo never stops being energised by the next opportunity.
Fevola's performances this year range from a breathtaking eight goals against Essendon in a performance that dragged the Blues across the line after they looked dead and buried to Saturday's dismal effort.
At 26 and with his natural assets, he represents an enticing prospect for several clubs.
Full article at: http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22000396%255E20322,00.html
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give up jay schulz for fev, direct swap!
we must go for it! and i think our chances are high as we all know we wnet real close last time and that newman and fev are very very close
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im against it now although i was for it the first time around.
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Be stupid not to test the waters - It's all about value for money and a change could be just what Fev needs to perform at a consistent level.
Fev is a doofus so it is a punt, have to way up the pros and cons and value for money.
Straight swap for schulz would be OK in my book, unless sarge can show us why not in the last half of the year.
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Fev has major attitude problems. Only downer for me
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Blues having a press conference today re Fev
Dunno what about - probably suspending him or something for this weekend's performance
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Reckon that with Fev's attitude, he is more trouble than he is worth.
On the other hand, with Fev's talent he could make our team look even better ala browny
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Apparently going to be disciplined for staying out late at night
Take note Collingwood :lol
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Apparently going to be disciplined for staying out late at night
Take note Collingwood :lol
I reckon its disgraceful that Hirdy got fined what 20K for criticising an umpire. While Didak associated himself with an alleged killer but the AFL he has done nothing wrong :banghead
Take a good hard look at yourself mr Demetrious and co.
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Not to mention our little drug lord who I bet will have a well orchestrated return to football on 21 July for a match against the Swans.
Call me cynical!
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Brendan won’t be up for senior selection.
Been told to go away and think about his future.
Will sit down with the club next Monday to discuss again.
They're not happy with his on field demeanour, behaviour unacceptable.
No off field issues apparently, but everything has come to a head and they think he needs to go away and think about it.
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Really hard to say, he's only 26 as well. but he's a head case.
Tough one
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Not to mention our little drug lord who I bet will have a well orchestrated return to football on 21 July for a match against the Swans.
Call me cynical!
I don't think your being cynical, I think your probably going to be very close to the mark.
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Although he's come back to training today apparently.
Do the AFL have to give him the go-ahead to play?
Not really sure what's been happening with him because I turned off reading about it. He wasn't suspended so I suppose he can come back any time.
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Fev will be 27 next year. Too old for us. But he still may be of some use to us if we involve ourselves with a 3-way trade. One way to pick up another ruckman say from Adelaide or Brisbane who need a key forward.
Although he's come back to training today apparently.
Do the AFL have to give him the go-ahead to play?
Not really sure what's been happening with him because I turned off reading about it. He wasn't suspended so I suppose he can come back any time.
They reckon Cousins might play against the Lions this week so the "when will he play" circus is nipped in the bud.
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Could Carlton want Schulz?
Could we include schulz in a 3 way deal where fev goes somewhere else and we get a decent pick instead.
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if by decent pick you mean 1st rounder it is unlikely.
Schulz really hasn't done enough to warrant a club offering up a first rounder
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Could Carlton want Schulz?
Could we include schulz in a 3 way deal where fev goes somewhere else and we get a decent pick instead.
lets see
Carlton- schulz
Adelaide- fevola
Richmond- 1st round pick from Adelaide
We'd jump at it especially if the Crows finish 7-8th and have a top 10 pick but Carlton get screwed in that deal even if they were interested in Sarge. Basically they get Schulz for Fevola ;).
You're got deluded Blues fans ringing in asking for Lids and our first pick for Fevola :rollin
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This is the deal being offered.
Fev and either 1st and/or 2nd round draft picks for Judd.
Carlton spoke with Judd over weekend :shh
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This is the deal being offered.
Fev and either 1st and/or 2nd round draft picks for Judd.
Carlton spoke with Judd over weekend :shh
Blues are dreaming :lol
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Could Carlton want Schulz?
Could we include schulz in a 3 way deal where fev goes somewhere else and we get a decent pick instead.
lets see
Carlton- schulz
Adelaide- fevola
Richmond- 1st round pick from Adelaide
We'd jump at it especially if the Crows finish 7-8th and have a top 10 pick but Carlton get screwed in that deal even if they were interested in Sarge. Basically they get Schulz for Fevola ;).
You're got deluded Blues fans ringing in asking for Lids and our first pick for Fevola :rollin
I deleted it before anyone else posted, even i saw that it wasnt possible...but its good to see you were on the ball again MT. WCE arent going to give up judd for fevola and pick 3... thats a bigger con job than the one i espoused before lol...
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Could Carlton want Schulz?
Could we include schulz in a 3 way deal where fev goes somewhere else and we get a decent pick instead.
lets see
Carlton- schulz
Adelaide- fevola
Richmond- 1st round pick from Adelaide
We'd jump at it especially if the Crows finish 7-8th and have a top 10 pick but Carlton get screwed in that deal even if they were interested in Sarge. Basically they get Schulz for Fevola ;).
You've got deluded Blues fans ringing in asking for Lids and our first pick for Fevola :rollin
I deleted it before anyone else posted, even i saw that it wasnt possible...but its good to see you were on the ball again MT. WCE arent going to give up judd for fevola and pick 3... thats a bigger con job than the one i espoused before lol...
The thinking is right Ramps though. We need to be pro-active in trade week and sniff around trying to get on the end of a bargain as a third party. We got Simmo and Polak both from 3-way deals.
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Ramps, throw in another player and a 3rd rounder and let's get this baby running :thumbsup
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This is the deal being offered.
Fev and either 1st and/or 2nd round draft picks for Judd.
Carlton spoke with Judd over weekend :shh
gees jack, u know it all but u still cannot back up everything u say its all :shh
gees u must have a foot in every clubs door or a finger in every clubs @rse, you are either the town bike or afl clubs advisor!
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adelaide wont give up early picks, they are an aging list and i cant se it happening
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Actually Tony (Mike's son) Sheahan was linking fev with Richmond again this evening of Ch 7's news ::) ::)
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Actually Tony (Mike's son) Sheahan was linking fev with Richmond again this evening of Ch 7's news ::) ::)
i think if fev goes anywhere it will be to us, many tigers fans will bag teh idea and wont like( remember polak) but just liek polak, tigers fans will jump of teh fevolution wagon within weeks. he is a goal kicking matchwinner, best kick for goal in the afl and i reckon he is a great player to be there when richo decides to hang it up
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Actually Tony (Mike's son) Sheahan was linking fev with Richmond again this evening of Ch 7's news ::) ::)
i think if fev goes anywhere it will be to us, many tigers fans will bag teh idea and wont like( remember polak) but just liek polak, tigers fans will jump of teh fevolution wagon within weeks. he is a goal kicking matchwinner, best kick for goal in the afl and i reckon he is a great player to be there when richo decides to hang it up
I'd take him - BUT two provisos - depends entirely on what we would have to give up, and imho it would have to be not very much.
In addition, you would have to find a place for Richo, who has maybe 3 years left? If you were to squeeze Richo out or to compromise his value I wouldn't do it.
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difference between polak and Fev is that Polak had a possible 10-year career ahead of him. But Fev probably only has half of that.
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Assuming we are after Fev and a trying to manufacture a Sarge and Fev swap we need to get Sarge into the Seniors for the last 9 games to at least get him into some sort of reasonable form to at least get other clubs interested because if he plays out time at Coburg no Schulz for Fevola no Schulz for anybody else if anything does crop up in trade week.
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This is the deal being offered.
Fev and either 1st and/or 2nd round draft picks for Judd.
Carlton spoke with Judd over weekend :shh
gees jack, u know it all but u still cannot back up everything u say its all :shh
gees u must have a foot in every clubs door or a finger in every clubs @rse, you are either the town bike or afl clubs advisor!
Mate. only telling you what i was told .
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Actually Tony (Mike's son) Sheahan was linking fev with Richmond again this evening of Ch 7's news ::) ::)
We've told Fev to retire ;D
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Ramps, throw in another player and a 3rd rounder and let's get this baby running :thumbsup
Ok just chuck in Danny Meyer since he doesnt wanna be here lol.
Lets assume Adelaide pick is 10
Adelaide get - Brendon Fevola (Carl) and Danny Meyer (Rich)
Carlton get - John Meesen (Adelaide) and Jay Schulz (Richmond)
Richmond get Adelaide p10 overall and Carlton pick 35 overall.
leaving us with 1, 10, 17, 18, 34 and 35 - 6 picks in the first 35 picks.
That may get closer- but still no deal i reckon...its a hard task.
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Mike Sheahan reckons Fev is worth a first round pick plus assorted extras.
Both the Age and Herald-Sun have the Doggies (Eade), Eagles (Worsfold) and Sydney keen on Fev. The Crows (Ricciuto) don't seem interested and think Fev will be too costly.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22007248%255E19742,00.html
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22007250%255E19742,00.html
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/carlton-career-in-doubt/2007/07/02/1183351125360.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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I'd take him - BUT two provisos - depends entirely on what we would have to give up, and imho it would have to be not very much.
In addition, you would have to find a place for Richo, who has maybe 3 years left? If you were to squeeze Richo out or to compromise his value I wouldn't do it.
Exactly. Do you think Fev would want to play second fiddle to Richo or vice versa?
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Ramps, throw in another player and a 3rd rounder and let's get this baby running :thumbsup
Ok just chuck in Danny Meyer since he doesnt wanna be here lol.
Lets assume Adelaide pick is 10
Adelaide get - Brendon Fevola (Carl) and Danny Meyer (Rich)
Carlton get - John Meesen (Adelaide) and Jay Schulz (Richmond)
Richmond get Adelaide p10 overall and Carlton pick 35 overall.
leaving us with 1, 10, 17, 18, 34 and 35 - 6 picks in the first 35 picks.
That may get closer- but still no deal i reckon...its a hard task.
I'll pass on that, we get seriously stuffed over.
I don't care that they are yet to perform but the picks used to get them and the talent that both possess are certainly not worth a pick 10 and pick 35, especially in a draft that will fall away after the top 25 IMHO
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The only way I believe we will get Fev is if we are prepared to trade our first round draft pick, or something in the first round. At this stage i hope we don't do that, but having said that, it is possible I may change my mind closer to the trade day. It must be remembered that Fevola is an 80 goal a year player, that's the equivalant of 4 of our mediums kicking an extra 20 each, thats a lot of goals.
Fev appears to have a lot of downside, but also remember he has been playing in a crap side and a crap club since he was 21, yes he is a lout but I think this has it's plus points as well as its downside.
Reports are that he is looking at Richmond and based on the happenings of the past I don't doubt that this is taking place, Newman is one of his best freinds, he almost came to us 2 years ago or there abouts, there are people in our club who like him and want him, but it is only early days. There is a lot of water to go under the bridge yet.
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On a side note people keep mentioning Newman, without having met the bloke seems down to earth and an honest goer - I Don't get how he can be mates with Fev ???
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On a side note people keep mentioning Newman, without having met the bloke seems down to earth and an honest goer - I Don't get how he can be mates with Fev ???
they were mates before being drafted.
Both came in the same draft and from the same club Dandenong U18
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Unfortunately Bluey, clubs dont pay on what the original clubs paid, they pay on what theyve seen and the truth is Schulz and Meyer have shown basically nothing...all they have is potential.
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Unfortunately Bluey, clubs dont pay on what the original clubs paid, they pay on what theyve seen and the truth is Schulz and Meyer have shown basically nothing...all they have is potential.
True, but you are going to sell yourself short if they do reach their potential but at another club.
If they fulfil their potential
Schulz + Meyer >>>> the 2 picks you are suggesting we get
The top 10 pick may be good but I am doubting the quality of talent you will get at 35
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He won't be going anywhere, I'd be willing to put a lot of money on that.
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Newman and Fev are friends because they grew up together, living next door (or thereabouts) to each other.
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Newman and Fev are friends because they grew up together, living next door (or thereabouts) to each other.
they must be close friends because newman was fevs best man
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Ch 10 just showed Plough today saying Fev isn't on his radar. Reckons Fev will remain at Carlton.
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Ch 10 just showed Plough today saying Fev isn't on his radar. Reckons Fev will remain at Carlton.
of course terry would say that, we will not look desparate and say we want him
i bet if carlton said we will give u fev for schulz and tiv, terry would say, no problem, deal done
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If anyone throws a deal for Tivendale, I'd say show me where to sign.
Hell, I'd sign over my soul ;) :lol
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Ch 10 just showed Plough today saying Fev isn't on his radar. Reckons Fev will remain at Carlton.
of course terry would say that, we will not look desparate and say we want him
i bet if carlton said we will give u fev for schulz and tiv, terry would say, no problem, deal done
True X but I hope Plough's being serious. Fev will be 27 by the start of next season. By 2011 when our cubs will hit their peak he'll be 30.
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No interest in Fevola: Wallace
8:14 PM Tue 3 July, 2007
By Michael Tormey,
for richmondfc.com.au
TERRY Wallace has all but ruled out trading for out-of-favour Carlton spearhead Brendan Fevola, saying he would prefer to develop the club from within.
While West Coast, the Western Bulldogs and Sydney have all signalled their interest in talking with the controversial Blue should he not come to a resolution with his club, Wallace said he would prefer to see Fevola finish his career at the club he joined as a teenager.
"My take on it is that I love to see good players finish with their original clubs," Wallace said at his weekly Tuesday press conference.
"I think it's a really good thing in the competition when players do that. I never did – I jumped from two or three clubs – but I think it's a great thing when players finish with their original club.
"So if you're asking me a question (about whether I'd be interested in Fevola) I think it'd be great if he finished with the Carlton Football Club.
"But it's not even part of the equation at the moment so I don't want to create a headline. As soon as you open your mouth in this business you are back-page news."
http://richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=46522
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Ch 10 just showed Plough today saying Fev isn't on his radar. Reckons Fev will remain at Carlton.
of course terry would say that, we will not look desparate and say we want him
i bet if carlton said we will give u fev for schulz and tiv, terry would say, no problem, deal done
True X but I hope Plough's being serious. Fev will be 27 by the start of next season. By 2011 when our cubs will hit their peak he'll be 30.
we dont want to wait til our cubs mature and reach 2011 to taste some finals footy and success
having fev there will help these kids develop whilst richo is gone, as i have a real strong feeling next yr will be richos last
also, what if cleve does not come on like jay hasnt, or players get serious injuries
fevola is a player we must chase to add experience and match winning ability to our fwd line cos richo, no matter how good he is, is no longer a matchwinner
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cos richo, no matter how good he is, is no longer a matchwinner
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That is a ridiculous statement, Richo certainly has the ability to win the game off his own boot still.
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my little birdie whispered the fleabag might find himself quite comfortable in the western suburbs
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Ch 10 just showed Plough today saying Fev isn't on his radar. Reckons Fev will remain at Carlton.
of course terry would say that, we will not look desparate and say we want him
i bet if carlton said we will give u fev for schulz and tiv, terry would say, no problem, deal done
True X but I hope Plough's being serious. Fev will be 27 by the start of next season. By 2011 when our cubs will hit their peak he'll be 30.
we dont want to wait til our cubs mature and reach 2011 to taste some finals footy and success
having fev there will help these kids develop whilst richo is gone, as i have a real strong feeling next yr will be richos last
also, what if cleve does not come on like jay hasnt, or players get serious injuries
fevola is a player we must chase to add experience and match winning ability to our fwd line cos richo, no matter how good he is, is no longer a matchwinner
Fev won't come cheap though. He's still contracted until the end of 2008 so we would have to do a trade. It's not like we'll get him for free in the PSD. If Cleve doesn't come on then all the more reason we need to keep our picks and bring more KPP youngsters through. I want success as soon as possible too X but not at the expense of the future. We're not on the bottom of the ladder for nothing. I reckon Richo will hang around until at least 2009. No reason at the moment to see why not. He hasn't slowed down nor is hindered by chronic soft tissue injuries. He might even get to 300 games.
Speaking of Fev, according to Ch 10 he went off at Pagan while in Perth, and along with his on-field demeanour, was the final straw for Pagan so Carlton suspended him.
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cos richo, no matter how good he is, is no longer a matchwinner
That is a ridiculous statement, Richo certainly has the ability to win the game off his own boot still.
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has he, wow, he has played some real good games this yr, take the game v the bombers, played a gr8 game and was injured too! but his fantastic (not) kicking cost us the game, he has had real chances to kick goals that matter but he chokes
when was the last time richo won a game for us of his own boot??????
he has lost the ability to destroy teams, i reckon many teams let him get the ball, cos when he is on the wing taking all those marks, 9 times out of ten he stuffs up his disposal or kicks to the wrong option. he has lost some pace and agility(in tha past dal santo would never have caught him) and that was a crucial time in the game also!
sorry but richo is a workhorse , not a matchwinner. brown is the only matchwinner we have
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when was the last time richo won a game for us of his own boot???
I don't think that's necessarily the point.
There is a best on ground every game but there is not often a matchwinner "off their own boot" so it's a big ask.
I believe that Richo is one of perhaps a dozen AFL players still capable of winning a game like that - he's done it many times and is still our only player capable of doing it more than once - again. He's been very close recently.
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when was the last time richo won a game for us of his own boot???
I don't think that's necessarily the point.
There is a best on ground every game but there is not often a matchwinner "off their own boot" so it's a big ask.
I believe that Richo is one of perhaps a dozen AFL players still capable of winning a game like that - he's done it many times and is still our only player capable of doing it more than once - again. He's been very close recently.
capable yes, but does he actually produce
is it just me or have others noticed that richo now even struggles to make the distance from 50 out. he is a star, a workhorse, and champ, but his time has come
Ch 10 just showed Plough today saying Fev isn't on his radar. Reckons Fev will remain at Carlton.
of course terry would say that, we will not look desparate and say we want him
i bet if carlton said we will give u fev for schulz and tiv, terry would say, no problem, deal done
True X but I hope Plough's being serious. Fev will be 27 by the start of next season. By 2011 when our cubs will hit their peak he'll be 30.
we dont want to wait til our cubs mature and reach 2011 to taste some finals footy and success
having fev there will help these kids develop whilst richo is gone, as i have a real strong feeling next yr will be richos last
also, what if cleve does not come on like jay hasnt, or players get serious injuries
fevola is a player we must chase to add experience and match winning ability to our fwd line cos richo, no matter how good he is, is no longer a matchwinner
Fev won't come cheap though. He's still contracted until the end of 2008 so we would have to do a trade. It's not like we'll get him for free in the PSD. If Cleve doesn't come on then all the more reason we need to keep our picks and bring more KPP youngsters through. I want success as soon as possible too X but not at the expense of the future. We're not on the bottom of the ladder for nothing. I reckon Richo will hang around until at least 2009. No reason at the moment to see why not. He hasn't slowed down nor is hindered by chronic soft tissue injuries. He might even get to 300 games.
Speaking of Fev, according to Ch 10 he went off at Pagan while in Perth, and along with his on-field demeanour, was the final straw for Pagan so Carlton suspended him.
i dont want fev if it costs too much, but say, if we gave up jay and tiv for him, or jay and krak, or jay and sugar etc, i say go for it.
but at no time must we trade a cleve or jack or draft picks for him, if they want him out and if fev wants out, it must be on our terms or nothing
my gut feeling is he will end up in sydney
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Hutchy has interviewed Fev for the footy show after he had a meeting with Carlton and Fev said wants to stay at Carlton and play there next year. They interviewed CEO Swan as well as he said Fev was a required player for next year. Both said they were happy with the meeting without looking happy lol.
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Fevola's body language wasn't convincing, leaving is still on the cards IMO
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Totally agree with that Bluey looks really unhappy and disgruntled and only provided
the sugar coated responses for the sake of his contract. Gregg Swann was just as unconvincing in his responses. Me smells big trouble at Carlton. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Port have thrown their hat into the ring for Fevola as insurance for Tredrea. More bidders will drive up Fev's value and subsequently cost in any trade.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,22031878-2722,00.html
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Id package up Schulz and Krak and see what they gave us.
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Garry Lyon in Herald-Sun reckons Fev is worth a 1st and 2nd round pick and should leave Carlton in a win-win for both parties.
Pavlich may also be still up for grabs as he's yet to commit to Freo next year according to the Age.
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Garry Lyon in Herald-Sun reckons Fev is worth a 1st and 2nd round pick and should leave Carlton in a win-win for both parties.
Pavlich may also be still up for grabs as he's yet to commit to Freo next year according to the Age.
This years draft is not going to be as strong as last years, but the Blues could possibly end up with Pick 1, Pick 3, another early 1st round for Fevola and Pick 18 or 19.