One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on March 03, 2012, 03:41:07 PM
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Next up is Shane Tuck who is entering his 9th season of AFL with 140 games under his belt.
What are your expectations for Tucky in 2012 and what would be a good year for him?
Career
Games Kicks Hballs Disp. Marks Tackles G.B 1st poss. Clear. In50 R50 1%ers
2004 3 7.0 5.3 12.3 2.3 0.7 1.0
2005 22 14.7 8.9 23.5 4.8 3.2 10.14
2006 22 11.9 9.0 21.0 4.6 3.3 11.8
2007 22 11.5 10.8 22.3 5.2 2.8 12.6
2008 22 10.4 14.5 24.9 4.6 3.8 10.1
2009 19 11.2 16.3 27.5 4.7 3.3 8.3
2010 20 11.4 14.2 25.5 4.6 5.2 5.5
2011 10 8.5 11.0 19.5 3.1 3.6 1.2 5.1 3.9 2.9 1.6 4.9
http://www.finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1406&SeasonID=ALL
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_profile?pid=20158
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Bloody 2011, completely wasted IMO, should of played round one..NO EXCUSES Damien....
2012 Expectations, none from Tuck, keep playing the tough uncompromised football you play.
2012 Expectations, form the club, bloody play him round one and then when he deserves it, which should mean he plays alll year!!!
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will continue to be an absolute clearance machine :shh
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will continue to be an absolute clearance machine :shh
And turnover king :shh
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will continue to be an absolute clearance machine :shh
And turnover king :shh
Touché Boony :shh
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will continue to be an absolute clearance machine :shh
And turnover king :shh
Well really, he only has to dish the handball out...he wins it so much out off the bottom of the packs, and he is hard as nails......rather him get the ball then not.. :whistle
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I reckon we might have been a chance for finals if he played 22 in 2011.
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I think we would have at least won round 1 if he played instead of Foley.
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will continue to be an absolute clearance machine :shh
And turnover king :shh
what ratio of clearances to turnovers is acceptable?
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I reckon we might have been a chance for finals if he played 22 in 2011.
I totally agree actually, I really think we would have won the tight games and a few others, even round 1!
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I reckon we might have been a chance for finals if he played 22 in 2011.
I totally agree actually, I really think we would have won the tight games and a few others, even round 1!
Nup. No way.
We were miles off R1 an Tuck very well covers a weakness but is no superstar.
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I reckon we might have been a chance for finals if he played 22 in 2011.
I totally agree actually, I really think we would have won the tight games and a few others, even round 1!
Nup. No way.
We were miles off R1 an Tuck very well covers a weakness but is no superstar.
He makes a very big difference when in the side, proved that on many occasions last year!!!!
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I reckon we might have been a chance for finals if he played 22 in 2011.
I totally agree actually, I really think we would have won the tight games and a few others, even round 1!
Nup. No way.
We were miles off R1 an Tuck very well covers a weakness but is no superstar.
He makes a very big difference when in the side, proved that on many occasions last year!!!!
He does but not to that extent.
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I reckon we might have been a chance for finals if he played 22 in 2011.
I totally agree actually, I really think we would have won the tight games and a few others, even round 1!
Nup. No way.
We were miles off R1 an Tuck very well covers a weakness but is no superstar.
He makes a very big difference when in the side, proved that on many occasions last year!!!!
He does but not to that extent.
Well we will never know DV.... :thumbsup
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I reckon we might have been a chance for finals if he played 22 in 2011.
I totally agree actually, I really think we would have won the tight games and a few others, even round 1!
Nup. No way.
We were miles off R1 an Tuck very well covers a weakness but is no superstar.
He makes a very big difference when in the side, proved that on many occasions last year!!!!
He does but not to that extent.
Well we will never know DV.... :thumbsup
Whats say lets watch what may unfold be so, and enjoy.
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will continue to be an absolute clearance machine :shh
And turnover king :shh
what ratio of clearances to turnovers is acceptable?
We can only go on the rankings, he is a clearance machine which is at least equal to 'clearance queen' if not 'king', and he is apparently also a 'turnover king', so we can assume that by these rankings that he has completely neutralised himself and is effectively a tent peg, IF they are accurate assessments, because if we are to trust them, they would suggest he is in effect clearing the ball directly to the opposition which is not actually a clearance so bugger me with a gaff hook if that makes any sense.
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will continue to be an absolute clearance machine :shh
And turnover king :shh
what ratio of clearances to turnovers is acceptable?
3:1 off the top of my head
Could live with 9 clearances and 3 turnovers I reckon
What about you?
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100% pure heart and spirit... Besides the turnovers he should have come before others that were gifted games last year. Has made a positive difference to the side since coming back in imo
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wonder if some of you knob jockeys watch the games. agree with Eea
edwards turnovers are acceptable because he's a stuffing wizard setting up miracle plays from half back while the Tuckfest is a dud because he bombs a few forward without looking sometimes. k :lol
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will continue to be an absolute clearance machine :shh
And turnover king :shh
what ratio of clearances to turnovers is acceptable?
3:1 off the top of my head
Could live with 9 clearances and 3 turnovers I reckon
What about you?
Yeah, I reckon I could.
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Efficiency may be debatable, but can't deny he knows how to win the footy. The second half against the Dawks in Nob 1 for example. I don't care that it didn't always go to someone, was just great to see the ball flying in our direction from a stoppage or contested situation. Sure beats the footy flying off in the opposite direction. It gives our rockets like mini-Maric a chance to run on to the footy and generate an offensive play.
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We were screaming for him in the team last year and proved his worth as soon as he got back!
Really stood out at training the other day for the pushup show (Serious session btw) just love the way he goes about it Tucky, my type of footballer. :thumbsup
Keep doing what he does will hold his place no worries .........
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will continue to be an absolute clearance machine :shh
And turnover king :shh
what ratio of clearances to turnovers is acceptable?
We can only go on the rankings, he is a clearance machine which is at least equal to 'clearance queen' if not 'king', and he is apparently also a 'turnover king', so we can assume that by these rankings that he has completely neutralised himself and is effectively a tent peg, IF they are accurate assessments, because if we are to trust them, they would suggest he is in effect clearing the ball directly to the opposition which is not actually a clearance so bugger me with a gaff hook if that makes any sense.
:lol
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Efficiency may be debatable, but can't deny he knows how to win the footy. The second half against the Dawks in Nob 1 for example. I don't care that it didn't always go to someone, was just great to see the ball flying in our direction from a stoppage or contested situation. Sure beats the footy flying off in the opposite direction. It gives our rockets like mini-Maric a chance to run on to the footy and generate an offensive play.
That isn't going to win us a flag and I'd doubt if we would even win a final.
While I love the fact Tucky gives us 1st hands and that I'd half the battle it also exposes us to the "goals from turn overs" stat which has plagued us since the Wallace days.
He needs to fix the get it and bomb approach to stay relevant. Surely he knows that?
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Tucks "bomb" approach is overplayed.
He does at times do it when he shouldn't, but many times he doesn't have the time. Under Hardwick he has improved in this area.
He repeatedly gets the hard ball, more than moste, so that means he will have many occasions where the quick bomb is the only thing possible, unless you want to get caught with the ball.
Geelongs last premiership captain was a master of the quick bomb forward, the difference being that geelong had forwards that could read the play, were aware he would do it, played in front and were good enough to take advantage..
In the past when tuck has had to quick kick it forward it was the opposition back men that did all these things, rather than our forwards.
The hardest thing to do in footy is get the ball, and tuck does that, and often. The fact that he wins the ball in congestion so often means by the simple law of averages there will be rushed disposals and turnovers.
A few years ago when he was rated in the top ten for contested posesions his effeciency and clangers was on par with most of those other players in the top ten. What tuck lacks that most of these guys do have, is the ability to be creative.
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Efficiency may be debatable, but can't deny he knows how to win the footy. The second half against the Dawks in Nob 1 for example. I don't care that it didn't always go to someone, was just great to see the ball flying in our direction from a stoppage or contested situation. Sure beats the footy flying off in the opposite direction. It gives our rockets like mini-Maric a chance to run on to the footy and generate an offensive play.
That isn't going to win us a flag and I'd doubt if we would even win a final.
While I love the fact Tucky gives us 1st hands and that I'd half the battle it also exposes us to the "goals from turn overs" stat which has plagued us since the Wallace days.
He needs to fix the get it and bomb approach to stay relevant. Surely he knows that?
No but it will help us win games :p. need to learn to crawl before you can walk.
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Agree with Al. Tuck also has a good attitude which has a positive influence on other members of the side
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Agree with Al. Tuck also has a good attitude which has a positive influence on other members of the side
So not listening to the coach is a positive influence?
Because that is why he gets dropped, does his own thing.
I love Tucky too - it's not about his limitations as much as it's his wherewithal to do something about it.
Crawling involves finishing 12th, walking is playing finals.
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The problem for Tucky is he is more an old school midfielder - just get the pill and bomb it forward and if he takes a mark he'll wander back behind the mark, hold onto the footy and then bomb it to the next 50/50 contest. In modern footy you want to control midfield possession and hence control the game.
Tucky will be slowly pushed down the midfield pecking order as our list matures. Playing only 10 games last year was the start and he'll probably play a similar number this year barring injuries to our gun mids. Newy, Lids and young guys like Ellis and Conca are more in Dimma's midfield plans this year which isn't good news for Tucky. It won't surprise me if Tucky is running around for GWS in a year or two.
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Agree with Al. Tuck also has a good attitude which has a positive influence on other members of the side
So not listening to the coach is a positive influence?
Because that is why he gets dropped, does his own thing.
I love Tucky too - it's not about his limitations as much as it's his wherewithal to do something about it.
Good post.
BTW Tuck's bombing is understated if anything.
Think he'll be a bit player this year.
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Tucks "bomb" approach is overplayed.
He does at times do it when he shouldn't, but many times he doesn't have the time. Under Hardwick he has improved in this area.
He repeatedly gets the hard ball, more than moste, so that means he will have many occasions where the quick bomb is the only thing possible, unless you want to get caught with the ball.
Geelongs last premiership captain was a master of the quick bomb forward, the difference being that geelong had forwards that could read the play, were aware he would do it, played in front and were good enough to take advantage..
In the past when tuck has had to quick kick it forward it was the opposition back men that did all these things, rather than our forwards.
The hardest thing to do in footy is get the ball, and tuck does that, and often. The fact that he wins the ball in congestion so often means by the simple law of averages there will be rushed disposals and turnovers.
A few years ago when he was rated in the top ten for contested posesions his effeciency and clangers was on par with most of those other players in the top ten. What tuck lacks that most of these guys do have, is the ability to be creative.
Post of the pre-season :thumbsup
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Very frustrating watching Tucky get pinged again for illegal handballing yesterday, just wondering what part of an overhead handball using his method is considered not within the rules of the game. See Judd and Buddy Franklin do exactly the same thing and both get away with it. Its almost like the umps have a black mark against him and watch out for the very thing and its instantly paid against him.
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Pre-season six-pack
Rohan Connolly
March 17, 2012
TEAMS can make of the pre-season competition what they choose, be it a statement of intent for the year ahead, a chance to experiment and see what happens, perhaps even both at the same time.
But the NAB Cup can turn up some even more profound results on an individual level, giving us a tantalising glimpse of which players we might be talking about quite a bit between now and September.
That's been the case again this February and March, with a healthy number of new kids on the block demanding attention, a few more established hands looking to have taken another step, and the odd surprise packet from left-field making us wonder whether we might have to reassess their worth.
As the pre-season draws to a conclusion and the counting of days until the real stuff hits single figures, here's half-a-dozen whose dress rehearsals have been impressive enough to leave you potentially thinking, to quote an old rock standard, you ain't seen nothing yet.
SHANE TUCK (Richmond)
Remember "Terminator", the sci-fi flick where Arnold Schwarzenegger plays a cyborg assassin it seems to take nothing short of a nuclear arsenal to kill off? That's Shane Tuck.
The veteran on-baller has gone in and out of fashion at Punt Road more times than platform shoes. Now he's doing it again.
Tuck was studiously ignored for most of last year by the Tiger brainstrust, playing just four games in 18 rounds. But in the last six games, he averaged 25 possessions, good enough to win him another reprieve. And in this NAB Cup, he's been even harder to ignore.
While Richmond's impressive pre-season has centred around Dustin Martin's great form, and its future clearly rests with names like Cotchin, Deledio, Riewoldt and Co, the 30-year-old just won't go away.
As usual, he's been less obtrusive but pretty effective, ranked No.1 across the league for contested possession, those ball magnet qualities a more-than-handy complement to the silk of the younger hands.
And if that creates a problem of sorts for newly-extended senior coach Damien Hardwick, it's a pleasant problem. Yes, Tuck's disposal can be questionable. Yes, the Tigers need a little more silk in their armoury yet. But it's going to be hard once again to disregard a bloke who can consistently find the ball and simply bang it forward. A quality you simply can't afford to kill.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/preseason-sixpack-20120316-1vb1o.html#ixzz1pIpdcMcx
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Tuckinator!
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I love Tuckinators hardness and toughness at the ball.
Sure enough his disposal is slightly ?able but when you get that many touches whose isn't?
We have coaches we pay $ to to improve our players so if tucky is getting the ball surely that is half the bttle, as someone famous probably once said "if you haven't got the ball you are not in the game"
Play to tuckys strength and have him disposing to players running past him or give him instructions. I would 100xes prefer him to McGorne who doesn't get the ball and whose disposal is probably the worst not in the league but in the known universe.
Lay off Tucky and get on him.
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To be hard and tough at the ball and continue to get clearances.
Would like to see him have more awareness at times, remember that Sam Mitchell tackle on him when he could have dished off to give us a shot at goal.
It has been spoken of before would love also to see him pinch hit on a HFF. Would be great at locking the ball in and extracting it in the contest has strong hands and is for the most part a reliable shot at goal. Don't let his field kicking fool you he isn't a bad set shot at goal.
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To be hard and tough at the ball and continue to get clearances.
Would like to see him have more awareness at times, remember that Sam Mitchell tackle on him when he could have dished off to give us a shot at goal.
It has been spoken of before would love also to see him pinch hit on a HFF. Would be great at locking the ball in and extracting it in the contest has strong hands and is for the most part a reliable shot at goal. Don't let his field kicking fool you he isn't a bad set shot at goal.
Love your work TB