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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: tiger101 on March 20, 2012, 07:19:11 PM
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Terry Wallace's take on our list.
http://soundcloud.com/edbowman-1/the-list-manager-richmond
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like he'd know all about compiling a good list ::)
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Wallace should leave that talk and opinion to other panelists.
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Good perspective at the end with the draw though.
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He could always talk the talk. Is a much better media personality than a coach. Made a great deal of sense and if he didn't have a history with us (of a salesman) we would all be saying what a good analysis.
Still irks me that he tries to claim partial responsibility for the success of the developing list... :banghead
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Dare i say it but while Wallace was coach we drafted:
Deledio
Cotchin
Vickery
Riewoldt
Rance
5 of our key players going into 2012
Plus
Post
Edwards
King
Nahas
who would all (based on preseason form) be in our starting 22
So I suppose it comes down to who you give the credit to? The recruiters or the coach? Answer - depends on which ones turn out to be guns and which ones turn out to be duds ;D
I think I'll shut up now :rollin
;D ;D
:outtahere :outtahere :outtahere
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yeah he shat in the right place a few times. shitman
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Wallet's 'soundcloud' is a fart in the wind.
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He could always talk the talk. Is a much better media personality than a coach. Made a great deal of sense and if he didn't have a history with us (of a salesman) we would all be saying what a good analysis.
Still irks me that he tries to claim partial responsibility for the success of the developing list... :banghead
yep, yep and yep.
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Dare i say it but while Wallace was coach we drafted:
Deledio
Cotchin
Vickery
Riewoldt
Rance
5 of our key players going into 2012
Plus
Post
Edwards
King
Nahas
who would all (based on preseason form) be in our starting 22
So I suppose it comes down to who you give the credit to? The recruiters or the coach? Answer - depends on which ones turn out to be guns and which ones turn out to be duds ;D
I think I'll shut up now :rollin
;D ;D
:outtahere :outtahere :outtahere
May l add WP, he might had drafted them ;D but l can asure you he had no idea how to bring the best football out of them.
Wallace broke the players like he prabably broke his toys as a kid. ;D his toys were always broken come preseason & round 1.
Hardwick has managed the players great & this season will be the best we go into a round 1 game at our strongest for many years :gotigers
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Dare i say it but while Wallace was coach we drafted:
Deledio
Cotchin
Vickery
Riewoldt
Rance
5 of our key players going into 2012
Plus
Post
Edwards
King
Nahas
who would all (based on preseason form) be in our starting 22
So I suppose it comes down to who you give the credit to? The recruiters or the coach? Answer - depends on which ones turn out to be guns and which ones turn out to be duds ;D
I think I'll shut up now :rollin
;D ;D
:outtahere :outtahere :outtahere
May l add WP, he might had drafted them ;D but l can asure you he had no idea how to bring the best football out of them.
Wallace broke the players like he prabably broke his toys as a kid. ;D his toys were always broken come preseason & round 1.
Hardwick has managed the players great & this season will be the best we go into a round 1 game at our strongest for many years :gotigers
Great post TM! :clapping Cotch was over trained right from the start. We are lucky Dimma and his crew came along and rescued him from being just another broken footballer. Look at Moore's current condition. He had a long stint under Wallace. It would be interesting if the stats are available as to how many injuries were sustained during Wallets years as compared to Dimma.
The words "Osteits Pubis" and "indefinite" used to send shivers down my spine as you'd never know when a player with OP would return. Thank God those days are behind us. (touch wood)
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Great post TM! :clapping Cotch was over trained right from the start. We are lucky Dimma and his crew came along and rescued him from being just another broken footballer. Look at Moore's current condition. He had a long stint under Wallace. It would be interesting if the stats are available as to how many injuries were sustained during Wallets years as compared to Dimma.
The words "Osteits Pubis" and "indefinite" used to send shivers down my spine as you'd never know when a player with OP would return. Thank God those days are behind us. (touch wood)
I agree with a lot of what Monk said - just throwing the info out there for discussion ;D
Just on Cotchin being over trained; we need to be fair there tiga, the person who over trained Cotchin was Cotchin and he admitted that, he was given a modified training program to follow one pre-season during his break and he went and did stuff outside it...
Moore: he said last season at a pre-match that I was at that part of his hip condition is caused by a de-generation (sp?) of his hip joint, hard to blame anyone for that ;D
You mention about "Dimma & his crew" coming along and rescuing the players from becoming "broken footballers" what's interesting with that comment is the fact that we have the same head of fitness bloke now (Hornsby) that we had under Wallace (actually I think all but 1 were there under Wallace).
IMV what that highlights is that each coach comes in tells the fitness folks what they want and then it is up to the fitness gurus to implement the programs needed. So like you I'd be interested in seeing injury numbers; especially those from the pre-season to see what impact if any change in coach therefore fitness regime has on a club's injury run
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Let's not forget the man that has gotten Richmond to where it is today, Craig Cameron :clapping
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Let's not forget the man that has gotten Richmond to where it is today, Craig Cameron :clapping
Agree - didn't he recommend in his "review" that Wallace not be re-appointed in 2009 :rollin
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No, you're thinking of Goose 'turtle' Graham. Switch on FFS :banghead
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Half you guys wanted Jade Rawlings in the job. :lol
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Wallace was a tactician, marketer and list analyser - great for an experienced side with a strong, established development culture but terrible for a young team desperate for an education and hands-on support. Terry ran players into the ground through mismanagement, he shredded their confidence with his abstinence and he confused them into feeling inadequate through his over complicated gameplan.
Really he was the right coach for the wrong time. Hardwick is exactly what out club needs now. Whether he has the tactical nous as the side starts to push for the flag is uncertain...
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Half you guys wanted Jade Rawlings in the job. :lol
Not me!!! Always thought he lacked intestinal fortitude and would have ended up being Frawley Mk II
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Wallace was a tactician, marketer and list analyser - great for an experienced side with a strong, established development culture but terrible for a young team desperate for an education and hands-on support. Terry ran players into the ground through mismanagement, he shredded their confidence with his abstinence and he confused them into feeling inadequate through his over complicated gameplan.
Really he was the right coach for the wrong time. Hardwick is exactly what out club needs now. Whether he has the tactical nous as the side starts to push for the flag is uncertain...
You know, I wonder about this overcomplicated game plan that wallace supposedly had.
I get the impression that the game plan is more complicated now under hardwick, as the players have books of set plays, similar to gridiron, that they must learn.
Jack said something about the difference from wallace to hardwick was like going from primary school to high school.
It took rance until his second year under dimma before he actually understood
how dimma wanted them to play.
I think the big difference is that hardwick actually spends time teaching the players how he wants them to play and trains with drills specifically designed to implement his plan and set plays, repeatedly.
It seemed to be a huge learning curve for the whole team initially, which showed in the opening months of 2010 season.
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Listening to the podcast from the club, they actually touched on this.
Wallace wanted to change the game plan to counter different teams, whereas dimma basically has the one game plan week in week out. As he said when he took over, Geelongs game plan was predictable, they just executed so well and that was his aim
I suppose the theory is that you are better off mastering one game plan by repetition rather than being average at a number of different plans because you get no continuity in execution.
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Listening to the podcast from the club, they actually touched on this.
Wallace wanted to change the game plan to counter different teams, whereas dimma basically has the one game plan week in week out. As he said when he took over, Geelongs game plan was predictable, they just executed so well and that was his aim
I suppose the theory is that you are better off mastering one game plan by repetition rather than being average at a number of different plans because you get no continuity in execution.
yep all good sides do this, hawks, pies, cats, are regimented in their structures and nail the execution more
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To be a good coach & able to get the message through, you have to be hands on. Not combing your hair & having makeup applied for the camera = Leatherskin Wallet.
NO MORE WALLACE TALK l'm over him :banghead
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That's interesting al and makes a great deal of sense. TW obvious didn't know how to educate. He's like that brilliant mathematician teacher who can't comprehend or relate to his students not understanding his lesson the first time. One of Dimmas greatest strengths is that he knows how to teach (actually comes from a family of teachers) and had to work hard on his own game to compete. This is why he can relate so well to triers like Jake King.
WP does make some good points though on being quick to point the finger. I don't think we can attribute the blame directly on TW if the fitness staff have barely changed. What I think we can blame TW for is his inability to place enough enforcis on player development. The fact he barely spoke to his recruits and rarely involved himself in training speaks volumes of the value he placed on the development of the younger players. His focus was on the now and on finding ways to win that season and that week.
As I said, he may have been a good coach for an experienced team, but not for a developing team.
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had maths teacher very similar to that stripes. ;D
Your point is so true.
Except for perhaps blight and mathews, most of the succesfull coaches i've seen have been those who have had to work hard during their playing career, and i've always felt it is for the reason that you mention, they can relate to those for whom it does not just happen
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had maths teacher very similar to that stripes. ;D
Your point is so true.
Except for perhaps blight and mathews, most of the succesfull coaches i've seen have been those who have had to work hard during their playing career, and i've always felt it is for the reason that you mention, they can relate to those for whom it does not just happen
Talking about teachers AL ;D
l had a teacher who loved to smack us with a 3 foot wooden ruler. He was the famous Jack Dyers nephew ;D
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The only time i ever smacked by a teacher was thanks to Buddha Hocking
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The only time i ever smacked by a teacher was thanks to Buddha Hocking
was that on the field or in the schoolyard :lol
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:lol in the school yard, but a footy was involved.
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Dare i say it but while Wallace was coach we drafted:
Deledio
Cotchin
Vickery
Riewoldt
Rance
5 of our key players going into 2012
Plus
Post
Edwards
King
Nahas
who would all (based on preseason form) be in our starting 22
So I suppose it comes down to who you give the credit to? The recruiters or the coach? Answer - depends on which ones turn out to be guns and which ones turn out to be duds ;D
I think I'll shut up now :rollin
;D ;D
:outtahere :outtahere :outtahere
No worries WP
Lids was always no 1 cotch always no 2 got nothing to do with gun recruiting or leather face picking those 2
Post Edwards have done nothing thus far to start rewarding recruiters
Jack, Nahas, Vickery yes agree
King good average player