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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Smokey on March 23, 2012, 10:16:18 PM
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With the amount of wealth in the ground in WA Perth should end up growing faster than all capital cities. If the state govt is smart they will have sufficient taxes in place to facilitate infrastructure projects (physical and social).
QLD does it well, Melb and Syd dont.
We are under 24 hours from kicking out the most inept government I have seen in my 35+ voting years and that is really saying something! Qld is as close to bankrupt as you would want your government to get. Sufficient taxes??? F me - there is not enough taxation capacity left in this state to pull us from the mire that 20 years of crony-ism has left us with!
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Bring on Katter :rollin
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With the amount of wealth in the ground in WA Perth should end up growing faster than all capital cities. If the state govt is smart they will have sufficient taxes in place to facilitate infrastructure projects (physical and social).
QLD does it well, Melb and Syd dont.
We are under 24 hours from kicking out the most inept government I have seen in my 35+ voting years and that is really saying something! Qld is as close to bankrupt as you would want your government to get. Sufficient taxes??? F me - there is not enough taxation capacity left in this state to pull us from the mire that 20 years of crony-ism has left us with!
Yeah sorry not buying this, Queensland is currently enjoying a boom, I don't know what information your being fed or what the agenda is here but it is incorrect. The disasters that have hit Queensland have been a serious challenge but I am befuddled by your comments.
http://afr.com/p/opinion/queensland_boom_must_be_managed_68zsVqWEM3vMj7kVLMxmyL
You vote these LNP mugs in, and you will have no-one but yourselves to blame for what happens, the article is pro LNP. My point is that QLD is not in financial trouble. In fact if you check here
http://www.oesr.qld.gov.au/products/publications/qld-state-accounts/index.php
and have a look at the chart which shows QLD's economic growth, it far outstrips the rest of Australias over the past 10 years only slowing in the last few years, in which we have had some pretty serious natural disasters which even the most deluded right wing or left wing nutters couldn't blame on each other.
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In general, just because there is an economic boom doesn't mean the taxes rolling in aren't being eroded by crappy policies and incompetent overspending.
The fact Anna Bligh and co. have been on the nose in Queensland for ages, save a week or two during the floods where her humanitarian strengths were played perfectly says enough to me about her performance.
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Anyhoot, perhaps leave the politics to the politics thread boys and we can all leave this thread to marvel at our growing membership total :thumbsup
Back on topic pls
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Yeah sorry not buying this, Queensland is currently enjoying a boom, I don't know what information your being fed or what the agenda is here but it is incorrect. The disasters that have hit Queensland have been a serious challenge but I am befuddled by your comments.
Watch and see what a very large majority of voters think of our current government tonight Owl. And if you came up and lived and worked in Queensland for a period then you would understand why I think the way I do about this current lot. Boom? Try telling that to the voters today.
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This is a RFC membership thread not how Labor has stuffed up Australia thread - everyone knows about that already ;D
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With the amount of wealth in the ground in WA Perth should end up growing faster than all capital cities. If the state govt is smart they will have sufficient taxes in place to facilitate infrastructure projects (physical and social).
QLD does it well, Melb and Syd dont.
We are under 24 hours from kicking out the most inept government I have seen in my 35+ voting years and that is really saying something! Qld is as close to bankrupt as you would want your government to get. Sufficient taxes??? F me - there is not enough taxation capacity left in this state to pull us from the mire that 20 years of crony-ism has left us with!
Yeah sorry not buying this, Queensland is currently enjoying a boom, I don't know what information your being fed or what the agenda is here but it is incorrect. The disasters that have hit Queensland have been a serious challenge but I am befuddled by your comments.
http://afr.com/p/opinion/queensland_boom_must_be_managed_68zsVqWEM3vMj7kVLMxmyL
You vote these LNP mugs in, and you will have no-one but yourselves to blame for what happens, the article is pro LNP. My point is that QLD is not in financial trouble. In fact if you check here
http://www.oesr.qld.gov.au/products/publications/qld-state-accounts/index.php
and have a look at the chart which shows QLD's economic growth, it far outstrips the rest of Australias over the past 10 years only slowing in the last few years, in which we have had some pretty serious natural disasters which even the most deluded right wing or left wing nutters couldn't blame on each other.
sorry owl
but that is absolute crap, if you take out mining and road building, qld is rooted and has been for 3 years. Everybody is struggling big time
The economy is really really bad and having owned a business up there for the last 10 years I have to agree with smoking, the sooner we get these bunnies out the better.
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I think it's interesting how the ALP are developing a habit of installing a female leader when things aren't going to well for them.
Joan Kirner Victoria
the attractive one (forgot her name) NSW
Carmen Lawrence WA
Anna Bligh QLD
Julia Gillard federal government.
I don't think the experiment has ever improved the popularity of the ALP though.
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Best that 1965 doesn't watch tonight as his beloved labor party looks set to get it annihilated like in NSW.
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I think it's interesting how the ALP are developing a habit of installing a female leader when things aren't going to well for them.
Joan Kirner Victoria
the attractive one (forgot her name) NSW
Carmen Lawrence WA
Anna Bligh QLD
Julia Gillard federal government.
I don't think the experiment has ever improved the popularity of the ALP though.
:lol
good pick up. perhaps they were all just sacrifices. ?
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the attractive one (forgot her name) NSW
Slamming a lookalike in the communal bin room of a hotel is highly recommended
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I think you boys are referring to Kristina Kenneally. :thumbsup
The lady with the Yankee Doodle Dandy accent.
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With the amount of wealth in the ground in WA Perth should end up growing faster than all capital cities. If the state govt is smart they will have sufficient taxes in place to facilitate infrastructure projects (physical and social).
QLD does it well, Melb and Syd dont.
We are under 24 hours from kicking out the most inept government I have seen in my 35+ voting years and that is really saying something! Qld is as close to bankrupt as you would want your government to get. Sufficient taxes??? F me - there is not enough taxation capacity left in this state to pull us from the mire that 20 years of crony-ism has left us with!
Yeah sorry not buying this, Queensland is currently enjoying a boom, I don't know what information your being fed or what the agenda is here but it is incorrect. The disasters that have hit Queensland have been a serious challenge but I am befuddled by your comments.
http://afr.com/p/opinion/queensland_boom_must_be_managed_68zsVqWEM3vMj7kVLMxmyL
You vote these LNP mugs in, and you will have no-one but yourselves to blame for what happens, the article is pro LNP. My point is that QLD is not in financial trouble. In fact if you check here
http://www.oesr.qld.gov.au/products/publications/qld-state-accounts/index.php
and have a look at the chart which shows QLD's economic growth, it far outstrips the rest of Australias over the past 10 years only slowing in the last few years, in which we have had some pretty serious natural disasters which even the most deluded right wing or left wing nutters couldn't blame on each other.
sorry owl
but that is absolute crap, if you take out mining and road building, qld is rooted and has been for 3 years. Everybody is struggling big time
The economy is really really bad and having owned a business up there for the last 10 years I have to agree with smoking, the sooner we get these bunnies out the better.
Well I always say, don't let the facts I linked get in the way of your opinion and feel free to ignore any of the explanations that rationally illuminate some of the issues that have befallen Qld over the past 3 years because an irrational reactionary hatred of the labor is much more balanced approach. I ran a business from 1999 til a few years ago, I don't blame the govt. for any of my business failings, they are my own and so are yours. I was posted in QLD for years and having family and friends up there running multiple small business, I will say that the work ethic and attitude up there is a little off the pace compared to what we are used to down south. The people I know took over several business that were run into the ground by lazy owners. All of them turned the businesses from rubbish to profitable very quickly with some hard work.
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If labor doesn't retain at least 10 seats they lose party status, they only have 5 atm. You have created a stuffing nightmare for yourselves, there will be no checks and balances, it will be open slather, Joe Bo will look like a saint. Qld will be reduced to woodchips and slag heaps, something for the grandkids to look forward to.
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If labor doesn't retain at least 10 seats they lose party status, they only have 5 atm. You have created a stuffing nightmare for yourselves, there will be no checks and balances, it will be open slather, Joe Bo will look like a saint. Qld will be reduced to woodchips and slag heaps, something for the grandkids to look forward to.
What's with the prejudice, Owl? Are you a Labor loyalist or do you have some substance behind those comments that on their own sound grossly inflamttory? I'm genuinely interested since I'm not from Queensland and the few Queenslanders I've spoken to about politics and all the media have been only critical about Labor.
I also doubt Labor will lose their party status, there is no way it will happen. THey'll find a way to make sure it wont happen if it falls under 10.
Amazing victory to the Liberals though. We all expected a landslide but this is unreal.
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The socialists got routed or rooted or screwed. Dont know if they won any seats. Last time I looked it was like 73 seats to 5 or something lawl. As one of the guests said on one of the panels tonight, today was queenslanders telling Gillard and her Federal Labor colleagues what we all know already and that is Australians are waiting for Labor with baseball bats at every election. Every election they are being routed.
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According to Sky News
ALP 6 LNP 75 Other 4 In Doubt 4 :o
A swing against the ALP of about 15%
That's right Flagman. It smells so much like the early 90's when Labor was being routed by landslides one by one after years of crap taxes policies mismanagement and debt.
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Well I always say, don't let the facts I linked get in the way of your opinion and feel free to ignore any of the explanations that rationally illuminate some of the issues that have befallen Qld over the past 3 years because an irrational reactionary hatred of the labor is much more balanced approach. I ran a business from 1999 til a few years ago, I don't blame the govt. for any of my business failings, they are my own and so are yours. I was posted in QLD for years and having family and friends up there running multiple small business, I will say that the work ethic and attitude up there is a little off the pace compared to what we are used to down south. The people I know took over several business that were run into the ground by lazy owners. All of them turned the businesses from rubbish to profitable very quickly with some hard work.
The issues in this state go back a lot longer than 3 years Owl and the fact you think that, only highlights your ignorance to what has been happening up here. A former speaker from the local Labor government admitted as much in an interview tonight. I also failed in business up here and don't blame the government for my failing however to say the local work ethic and attitude is "a little off the pace compared to what we are used to down south" is arrogant, ignorant and inaccurate in the extreme. Coming from someone with such a strong link and interest in a disenfranchised minority this comment is gobsmacking in it's attitude. I honestly thought a lot more of your opinions before reading this post. "Don't let the facts I linked get in the way of your opinion"? Wow, it must be exalting and breathtaking to sit so far above the common masses who have just voted out this government in a way not seen before in Australian politics. How does it feel to be one of the few righteous ones - those whose opinions are above the 'uneducated'? I will sleep much better tonight knowing that you're so right and the huge majority of the rest of us are so wrong.
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If labor doesn't retain at least 10 seats they lose party status, they only have 5 atm. You have created a stuffing nightmare for yourselves, there will be no checks and balances, it will be open slather, Joe Bo will look like a saint. Qld will be reduced to woodchips and slag heaps, something for the grandkids to look forward to.
What's with the prejudice, Owl? Are you a Labor loyalist or do you have some substance behind those comments that on their own sound grossly inflamttory? I'm genuinely interested since I'm not from Queensland and the few Queenslanders I've spoken to about politics and all the media have been only critical about Labor.
I also doubt Labor will lose their party status, there is no way it will happen. THey'll find a way to make sure it wont happen if it falls under 10.
Amazing victory to the Liberals though. We all expected a landslide but this is unreal.
Liberals will still afford Labor their major party status TA. Same thing happened on the other foot a few years back before the Liberals and Nationals joined forces and Labor maintained recognition of them as a major party. One of the key Liberal figures indicated tonight (without saying the words) that it won't happen and Labor will still maintain their rightful status.
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With the amount of wealth in the ground in WA Perth should end up growing faster than all capital cities. If the state govt is smart they will have sufficient taxes in place to facilitate infrastructure projects (physical and social).
QLD does it well, Melb and Syd dont.
We are under 24 hours from kicking out the most inept government I have seen in my 35+ voting years and that is really saying something! Qld is as close to bankrupt as you would want your government to get. Sufficient taxes??? F me - there is not enough taxation capacity left in this state to pull us from the mire that 20 years of crony-ism has left us with!
Yeah sorry not buying this, Queensland is currently enjoying a boom, I don't know what information your being fed or what the agenda is here but it is incorrect. The disasters that have hit Queensland have been a serious challenge but I am befuddled by your comments.
http://afr.com/p/opinion/queensland_boom_must_be_managed_68zsVqWEM3vMj7kVLMxmyL
You vote these LNP mugs in, and you will have no-one but yourselves to blame for what happens, the article is pro LNP. My point is that QLD is not in financial trouble. In fact if you check here
http://www.oesr.qld.gov.au/products/publications/qld-state-accounts/index.php
and have a look at the chart which shows QLD's economic growth, it far outstrips the rest of Australias over the past 10 years only slowing in the last few years, in which we have had some pretty serious natural disasters which even the most deluded right wing or left wing nutters couldn't blame on each other.
sorry owl
but that is absolute crap, if you take out mining and road building, qld is rooted and has been for 3 years. Everybody is struggling big time
The economy is really really bad and having owned a business up there for the last 10 years I have to agree with smoking, the sooner we get these bunnies out the better.
Well I always say, don't let the facts I linked get in the way of your opinion and feel free to ignore any of the explanations that rationally illuminate some of the issues that have befallen Qld over the past 3 years because an irrational reactionary hatred of the labor is much more balanced approach. I ran a business from 1999 til a few years ago, I don't blame the govt. for any of my business failings, they are my own and so are yours. I was posted in QLD for years and having family and friends up there running multiple small business, I will say that the work ethic and attitude up there is a little off the pace compared to what we are used to down south. The people I know took over several business that were run into the ground by lazy owners. All of them turned the businesses from rubbish to profitable very quickly with some hard work.
havent failed at all mate, but thanks for your concern.
And as for the work ethic of qlders, its as good as anywhere down south if not better
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According to Sky News
ALP 6 LNP 75 Other 4 In Doubt 4 :o
A swing against the ALP of about 15%
That's unbelievable. Wow
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With that sort of majority you banana Benders want to hope the incoming govt is competent
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With that sort of majority you banana Benders want to hope the incoming govt is competent
For sure Al. Doesn't normally lead to healthy government when the opposition is minimal and that will be just one of the new government's challenges. What is does point out however, is that regardless of the party, people will not stand for lying and incompetence, especially when that behaviour starts at the top and becomes entrenched in the government way. The previous government stopped listening many years back and would have been booted a few years ago if there had been a viable alternative. It wasn't until the coalition parties combined behind a strong leader that the alternative became 'real' and yesterday is testament to how badly this state was being governed. And if you needed any proof of the state of mind of each party then their respective campaigns showed that up glaringly. Labor ran a pure muck-raking and scare-mongering campaign without offering anything in the way of policy or plans for correcting any of the state's ills - the LNP campaign was the exact opposite as they concentrated on fixing the problems with new plans and new policies, and refused to be drawn into a mud-slinging contest. Another message for our pollies in that I would think.
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common problems when governments of all persuasions are in power too long smokey.
we see it time and time again.
power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I did have to laugh at Anna's desperate attempt to limit the damage in the last days of the campaign. :wallywink
Its always a worry when the incumbent government runs a smear campaign on the opposition rather than concentrating on what they have achieved themselves.
Jack Boot Johnny's last campaign is another example of that.
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common problems when governments of all persuasions are in power too long smokey.
we see it time and time again.
power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I did have to laugh at Anna's desperate attempt to limit the damage in the last days of the campaign. :wallywink
Its always a worry when the incumbent government runs a smear campaign on the opposition rather than concentrating on what they have achieved themselves.
Jack Boot Johnny's last campaign is another example of that.
Too true Al. You would think they would learn from past governments and it makes you wonder seriously about the general intelligence level doesn't it. As you say, the corrupting power influence is a biggy!
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Qld is only any good for a holiday and the last 2 or 3 times it hasn't been that good at all!!!!!
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you don't have a senate in QLD do you?
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Nope, single house.
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Qld is only any good for a holiday and the last 2 or 3 times it hasn't been that good at all!!!!!
Not that great at the moment either CUB, been bloody wet!! ;D
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I think you boys are referring to Kristina Kenneally. :thumbsup
The lady with the Yankee Doodle Dandy accent.
She's from Canada actually
Mr Tigra interesting take on things and I would actually agree if Lawrence & Bligh hadn't actually won elections.
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I wonder what lesson Julia will take from this?
A good reason never to get rid of the senate for starters.
And maybe think twice about attacking Mr Rabbitt too hard?
Interesting times, will watch Queensland with interest.
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I think you boys are referring to Kristina Kenneally. :thumbsup
The lady with the Yankee Doodle Dandy accent.
She's from Canada actually
No she's not. You're dead wrong. Tucker is spot on. She's from Nevada. USA.
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I think you boys are referring to Kristina Kenneally. :thumbsup
The lady with the Yankee Doodle Dandy accent.
She's from Canada actually
No she's not. You're dead wrong. Tucker is spot on. She's from Nevada. USA.
Nevada/Canada/Venus - who gives a poot where she's from. Nice piece of fluff and that's all that matters.
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The only thing I have learned from this election is that clive palmer is out there...utterly and completely..lol
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The only thing I have learned from this election is that clive palmer is out there...utterly and completely..lol
Ain't that the truth! Makes you wonder how people like that end up as wealthy and successful as they do. :huh
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I think you boys are referring to Kristina Kenneally. :thumbsup
The lady with the Yankee Doodle Dandy accent.
She's from Canada actually
No she's not. You're dead wrong. Tucker is spot on. She's from Nevada. USA.
Sorry thought I read an article that said she was from Canada
Whatever ;D
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i think in my league ladder of public figure fruit loops ,he is now up there alongside Donald"there are known knowns and unknown knowns "Rumsfeld
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The only thing I have learned from this election is that clive palmer is out there...utterly and completely..lol
Ain't that the truth! Makes you wonder how people like that end up as wealthy and successful as they do. :huh
Usually by screwing people for their money and being tightarses once they get it
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you don't have a senate in QLD do you?
Just to be pedantic the upper house in a state parliament is called the Legislative Council.
I agree with everything else you said al about a common problem for governments of all persuasions who have been in power for a long time. Also Queensland has always been different to other states. It's only changed government something like about 6 times in 100 years yet when there is finally a change it ends up being a massive swing. When a Qld government is on the outer it's annihlated at the ballot box. The National Party had a 15% swing against it in 1989 after it was in power for a couple of decades and this result on Saturday is the complete opposite of 2001 in terms of first preference votes. The swings (excuse the pun) and roundabouts of Aussie politics.
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Well I always say, don't let the facts I linked get in the way of your opinion and feel free to ignore any of the explanations that rationally illuminate some of the issues that have befallen Qld over the past 3 years because an irrational reactionary hatred of the labor is much more balanced approach. I ran a business from 1999 til a few years ago, I don't blame the govt. for any of my business failings, they are my own and so are yours. I was posted in QLD for years and having family and friends up there running multiple small business, I will say that the work ethic and attitude up there is a little off the pace compared to what we are used to down south. The people I know took over several business that were run into the ground by lazy owners. All of them turned the businesses from rubbish to profitable very quickly with some hard work.
The issues in this state go back a lot longer than 3 years Owl and the fact you think that, only highlights your ignorance to what has been happening up here. A former speaker from the local Labor government admitted as much in an interview tonight. I also failed in business up here and don't blame the government for my failing however to say the local work ethic and attitude is "a little off the pace compared to what we are used to down south" is arrogant, ignorant and inaccurate in the extreme. Coming from someone with such a strong link and interest in a disenfranchised minority this comment is gobsmacking in it's attitude. I honestly thought a lot more of your opinions before reading this post. "Don't let the facts I linked get in the way of your opinion"? Wow, it must be exalting and breathtaking to sit so far above the common masses who have just voted out this government in a way not seen before in Australian politics. How does it feel to be one of the few righteous ones - those whose opinions are above the 'uneducated'? I will sleep much better tonight knowing that you're so right and the huge majority of the rest of us are so wrong.
I can understand you feel insulted but the lifestyle up there is pretty laid back compared to a lot of other places and it reflects in the way people work, it may not go down well but that is my experience and I stand by it, I am not saying it is you or everyone and it varies from place to place. As far as voting out the govt, you have left yourselves without any opposition which means you cut your noses off to spite your face. Clive 'I pay no taxes' Palmer was sweating with excitement and gloating on television while his buddy was crapping on about how gracious and humble they were going to be. The irony would be delicious except that I am personally stunned to see such blatant stuffing stupidity, to hand total power to one party, particularly one who notoriously looks after its billionaire buddies and the environment will be sacrificed, only the greedy think this is great stuff. Everybody has this idea that somehow they have the interests of the average punter in mind. To those, I invite you to Victoria under Liberals... As for the masses having spoken so they must be right, when they stormed the Bastille in indignant fury to free the 'tortured prisoners', they slaughtered all the guards and found the cells....empty. Mobs burn stuff down all the time. This is just riot voting as far as I concerned. Everyone has just gone all out to wreak destruction and the nutty thing is that they thing they have destroyed is what is meant to look after their best interests which is a govt. balanced by an opposition, you don't just go all out and create a dictatorship with no checks and balances, this is just crazy, only in QLD though heh? Obviously the born to rule are all stoked, now they really can rule.
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Did I mention you are all lazy bastards up there?
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it's similar up here MT.
for the first 20 years or so of self government the CLP was in power. they became arrogant and cronyism ran riot.
As the deomgraphics of the territory changed, the ALP won government and the CLP were sent to the wildness.
Three terms later and and wheel has turned a complete circle. The CLP will probably win the next election, in spite of of their ineptness.
The curious thing is that we don't have an upper house either.
I dont how it could possibly affect things, but it does make you wonder if it somehow creates a boom or bust in terms of the governing party.
also, up here the government itself is called the legislative council.
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I think you boys are referring to Kristina Kenneally. :thumbsup
The lady with the Yankee Doodle Dandy accent.
She's from Canada actually
No she's not. You're dead wrong. Tucker is spot on. She's from Nevada. USA.
Sorry thought I read an article that said she was from Canada
Whatever ;D
You were wrong.
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Been thinking about this result and maybe Julia has got to go.
The Labor party need a fresh new face, but who?
Certainly not the Kruddy one.
Maybe Bill Shorten, intelligent, good parlimentary preformer and a favourite with the Labor heartland.
But not a coup, Julia needs to resign.
Interesting times.
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Latham. Make it interesting
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:lol
was looking forward to some asian parliament style all ins when he was was leader.
What a disappointment.
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some people reckon he'd be our PM if he didn't try to break Howard's hand. Imagine Latham running the joint :lol
good bloke though.
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Latham was asked about that incident with Jack boot johnny. He reckons that johhny was prone to crushing women's hands when he shook them and had done it to Lathans missus.
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My favourite Latham moment was when he called Johnny an ass licker.
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that must have been a follow on from Keating's conga line :lol
Keating also once called him a desiccated little coconut :lol
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The Toyota Tarago has more seats in it that the ALP in QLD parliment.
An interesting observation from Dr Turf on SEN.
:laugh:
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I have some interesting facts:
WA: - In 2008 the Labor government suffered a 6% swing against them. Liberals forming government with the help of the National party.
ACT general elections in 2008, Labor retain power despite a 10% swing to the greens. In true Labor form the Labor party has included a female leader now to contest the upcoming elections in 2012.
NT 2008 elections. Labor hang on to power despite losing 7 seats and a 9% swing against them to the CLP.
Labor retain power in South Australia despite a 8% swing against them in 2010.
2010 Victorian elections Labor has suffered a defeat with a swing of 6% to the Coalition.
Tasmania 2010 elections the Greens help Labor hold on to power despite a 12% swing against them.
2011 election in NSW, the Labor government was heavily defeated, suffering a swing of over 16%, the largest in a general election at any level in Australia since World War II.
QLD. 2012: Preliminary results show that Labor has been reduced to only seven seats and suffered a swing of 14.5%. The LNP will form government for the first time in its history, and is projected to win 78 seats. If these results hold, Labor will have suffered the worst defeat of a sitting government in Queensland history, and the LNP will have won the largest majority government in Queensland history.
Federal government.
Despite Labor winning emphatically in 2007 with a swing of 6% gaining 23 seats with the Kevin '07 campain. It took just one term to lose a leader, 7 seats & a 4% swing against them. With the help of independants they were able to retain gevernment.
I will leave you with a quote I heard from former ALP powerbroker, ALP senator for NSW & senior minister for both the Hawke & Keating governments, Graham Richardson;
"There's a verdict coming right around Australia that Labor aren't very good at government"
http://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/video/-/watch/25618138/labor-party-dead-and-buried/ (http://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/video/-/watch/25618138/labor-party-dead-and-buried/)
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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I will leave you with a quote I heard from former ALP powerbroker, ALP senator for NSW & senior minister for both the Hawke & Keating governments, Graham Richardson;
I love Richo the political commentator - he calls a spade a shovel gotta love that ;D
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preety much pointless facts, as the roles will be reversed as the cycle swings the other way.
It wasnt that long ago that the federal libs were so much on the nose that the slimly little turd they had as a leader became the first sitting prime minister to loose his seat.
think about it, how much out of favour were the libs to give labour a large enough majority they could still suffer swings against and retain power in most of those examples?
swings and round-a-bouts - the more it changes the more it remains the same
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Been thinking about this result and maybe Julia has got to go.
The Labor party need a fresh new face, but who?
Certainly not the Kruddy one.
Maybe Bill Shorten, intelligent, good parlimentary preformer and a favourite with the Labor heartland.
But not a coup, Julia needs to resign.
Interesting times.
Shorten is a worm. He is one of the reasons for the current fecal fight between labor right and left and is on the nose big time. If trust is an issue why the hell would you front this used car salesman? Bring back Latham, or Keating. For libs, bring back Malcolm Fraser, I could even handle Turnbull anything but this nut Abbot who's only policy is a bribe for middle class aspirationals to pay for a nanny ffs. I am not paying taxes to fund stuffing nannies for some pricks, if you can't afford or can't be stuffed looking after your spawn, don't stuffing breed imho.
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Shorten is a worm. He is one of the reasons for the current fecal fight between labor right and left and is on the nose big time. If trust is an issue why the hell would you front this used car salesman? Bring back Latham, or Keating. For libs, bring back Malcolm Fraser, I could even handle Turnbull anything but this nut Abbot who's only policy is a bribe for middle class aspirationals to pay for a nanny ffs. I am not paying taxes to fund stuffing nannies for some pricks, if you can't afford or can't be stuffed looking after your spawn, don't stuffing breed imho.
Keating is too old (68yo) and as for Latham (you are joking, I hope).
Who in your opinion is a credible alternative to Julia?
:bow
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Shorten is a worm. He is one of the reasons for the current fecal fight between labor right and left and is on the nose big time. If trust is an issue why the hell would you front this used car salesman? Bring back Latham, or Keating. For libs, bring back Malcolm Fraser, I could even handle Turnbull anything but this nut Abbot who's only policy is a bribe for middle class aspirationals to pay for a nanny ffs. I am not paying taxes to fund stuffing nannies for some pricks, if you can't afford or can't be stuffed looking after your spawn, don't stuffing breed imho.
Keating is too old (68yo) and as for Latham (you are joking, I hope).
Who in your opinion is a credible alternative to Julia?
:bow
From that poll I did the only popular option was Goose Graham. I reckon he should have a crack at it. Doesn't look like he'll be getting a senior game any time soon, so he may as well take over from Julia.
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Shorten is a worm. He is one of the reasons for the current fecal fight between labor right and left and is on the nose big time. If trust is an issue why the hell would you front this used car salesman? Bring back Latham, or Keating. For libs, bring back Malcolm Fraser, I could even handle Turnbull anything but this nut Abbot who's only policy is a bribe for middle class aspirationals to pay for a nanny ffs. I am not paying taxes to fund stuffing nannies for some pricks, if you can't afford or can't be stuffed looking after your spawn, don't stuffing breed imho.
Keating is too old (68yo) and as for Latham (you are joking, I hope).
Who in your opinion is a credible alternative to Julia?
:bow
I would vote for Keating even if he is 68
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I am not paying taxes to fund stuffing nannies for some pricks, if you can't afford or can't be stuffed looking after your spawn, don't stuffing breed imho.
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Owl sees everything.
Vote 1 Owl
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The Toyota Tarago has more seats in it that the ALP in QLD parliment.
An interesting observation from Dr Turf on SEN.
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Another one doing the rounds:
A plus is that at least Labor can now car pool.
;D
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The QLD ALP wishes they were a 9 seater Toyota Tarago.
At the moment they are just your run of the mill 7 seater Kia Carnivale. :lol :rollin :lol
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and could possibly lose another due to voter backlash at having a by election just after an state election.
week as pee resigning.
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and could possibly lose another due to voter backlash at having a by election just after an state election.
week as pee resigning.
I know its weak as pee al but with the electorate voting in the way they did, she had no other option. Wouldn't you retire to your $150,000 per year super package for life after your stint in public office? It's not easy having to live with this sort of defeat. :lol :rollin :lol
Oh hang on wait $150,000 per year. :lol :rollin :lol
The ALP in QLD has been set back for the next two elections at a minimum at least. :help
How do you make up such a majority??? :help
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it's similar up here MT.
for the first 20 years or so of self government the CLP was in power. they became arrogant and cronyism ran riot.
As the deomgraphics of the territory changed, the ALP won government and the CLP were sent to the wildness.
Three terms later and and wheel has turned a complete circle. The CLP will probably win the next election, in spite of of their ineptness.
The curious thing is that we don't have an upper house either.
I dont how it could possibly affect things, but it does make you wonder if it somehow creates a boom or bust in terms of the governing party.
also, up here the government itself is called the legislative council.
Cheers al. You may be right about one house leading to boom/bust terms. With no stalling/blocking of legislation by opposition parties in a proportional elected upper house you get things through uncontested so there's no need for compromised bills and deals to get legislation through the upper house. Initially everyone hates the outed party and you'd look like a strong active government in command and with strong public support. In time though you'll wear out your welcome, the tide will turn and you'll then cop all the blame.
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The ALP in QLD has been set back for the next two elections at a minimum at least. :help
How do you make up such a majority??? :help
By the next Qld election there's a strong likelihood that the Coalition will be in Government right across Australia (the exception may be Tassie). The swinging voter is fickle with short-term memories. They're increasing in number too IMO hence the rise in huge swings against governments of both sides over the past decade. Deep down the swinging voter has no love for either side and any anger is just targetted at the party in power. With one party in power everywhere (as Labor found out post-2007) then any public anger can't be deflected towards the other side especially over the long-term (in the short-term both sides when they gain power just blame the previous government for any mess). The irony for Gillard is she may get some help poll wise over the next 18 months to avert a whitewash with mostly Lib state governments especially if they end up like Victoria with do-nothing Ted allowing the Vic economy and jobs to sink :help.
There'll be a correction in Qld at the next state election. There always is no matter which side is in power (good for democracy as well to not have a weak non-existent opposition). Labor will regain those seats that usually vote ALP. Maybe end up with 20 or so seats. Still another easy win for the Coalition but Labor will then be able to add a fresh batch of MPs to the Qld parliament to rebuild (at least have a full shadow bench again). From there anything can happen in politics by the end of any government's 2nd-term. When Cain-Kirner Vic Government got dumped big time (and rightly so) it looked like Kennett would be in power forever. He romped home in the next election but within the next 3 years he was tossed out and Labor under Bracks won the then next election as a minority government by a landslide. Likewise Brumby didn't learn from Kennett's downfall and he got rolled as well. The swings and roundabouts of politics. Of course while in opposition if there's division as happened to Labor in the 50s/60s and to the Libs in the 80s then you can remain in opposition for well over a decade or more.
As for Anna Bligh - I don't care what party you belong to you shouldn't be allowed to quit just because your party lost a general election. Sure the majority of the state wanted you out but your electorate didn't. Kennett did the same thing in 1999 and the Libs lost the by-election in a seat Labor had never ever won before. It's the best way to really tick the electorate off - making them vote twice for the same thing in a month. Not to mention the cost to taxpayers. Both sides do it and either it should be disallowed (unless there's an illness/death) or to save on costs both sides agree constitutionally to allow the party that won that seat to replace the member automatically with another of the same party as they do in the federal Senate.
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They are going to be thin on the ground for experience, that is one of the things that may save the libs down here in Vic, a lot of low profile operators left after the tantrum vote last time, now they are all baying for Baillieu's head because he is a complete numpty but we're stuck with the billy hunt for the next few years.
What's the mob that bloated oily LNP haggis Palmer runs? China First. That's right, while he isn't paying taxes and flogging our resources off and getting fat as a house. China First. Sums it all up really. Don't you worry bout that! I bet he is a great bloke and would buy you a beer AAAY!
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You been on the plastic sausages again Owl?