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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on March 30, 2012, 01:24:07 AM
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Here's the vision of Dimma's aftermatch media conference ....
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/434744/Hardwick%20Press%20Conference/
* Throughout the night we never really played the way we wanted. A loss is a loss but you can accept losing if you have played the way you wanted to play. That's the most disappointing thing from the night - we didn't play the way we wanted to and know we can.
* We made uncharacteristic errors early on. Some players drop in confidence so they don't play at their maximum level. We had a number of dropped marks inside 50 (ed: I'm presumming he meant at both ends) which cost us a number of goals. Dropped marks and fumbles in defence gave them easy goals. Newy agreed and said those soft goals really hurt you.
* Got smashed in terms of contested footy in the last quarter. We had 19 less contested possessions. Disappointing to fall away as we matched them for contested footy for most of the night.
* After the game inside the rooms only 3 guys admitted they played well. Dimma wouldn't name them. One thing we can take away from the game is we only had 3 guys play well but we were only 7 points down at the death. We also have a young backline - Rance only had a breakout year last season, Grimes has played just 9-15 games, Post has played just 15. It's still a young inexperienced backline. We need to just perservere with they guys.So there's plenty of upside.
* Yarran's goal? Newy said there was still plenty of time on the clock.
* On the newbies:
I.Maric - serviceable
Ellis - showed some signs he will become a good player for us. Probably didn't demand the footy in his hands often enough when we actually want the footy in his hands as he's a good user of it.
Morris - Good work rate and attack on the footy.
A.Maric - Did a couple of good things but fumbled at times which is uncharacteristic of him.
All up they were okay but they can play better.
* Dimma was asked about Gibbs being left alone behind the ball with Newy doing a similar role for us. Would've it been better to man him up? Dimma replied we've tried evening up the numbers and got burnt in the past.
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Plenty of upside: Hardwick
By Paul Daffey
afl.com.au
11:31 PM Thu 29 Mar, 2012
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick might have been dejected after the 44-point blowout in tonight's opening round match against Carlton.
The Tigers, after all, had been hyped up to the hilt after an impressive pre-season. A loss to an old foe in the opening round might have knocked the stuffing out of them.
But instead Hardwick took the glass half-full view.
Richmond was the better team at several stages during the match, including a patch in the third quarter when three goals from makeshift full-forwards Dustin Martin and Trent Cotchin fuelled Tigers hopes that they could overhaul the Blues.
The Tigers kicked five goals to three in the third quarter to trail by 12 points at three-quarter time.
They even drew within a goal in the last quarter before Carlton's dominant midfield enabled the Blues to take control and scoot away.
"The great thing about it is we had three solid contributors over the course of the game and yet we got within seven points at the death knock," Hardwick said.
"There's a lot of upside."
The coach said the problem was consistency. While Richmond was good in surges, it was not enough to kill off a team that has been mentioned in premiership conversations.
"We managed to recover our composure at certain stages, but not enough to inflict some damage on Carlton on a consistent basis," Hardwick said.
The statistics tell the tale of the blowout in the last quarter. Carlton had 44 more disposals (107-66) but more tellingly it had 19 more contested possessions (44-25).
Whereas the Blues had been expected to wilt after a stuttering pre-season, they were the ones who grasped the match when the intensity finally levelled off halfway during the last quarter.
"That's a shellacking in the last quarter, which was disappointing," Hardwick said.
"We were ahead for most of the night in that area but to concede 19 in the last quarter was poor.
"In those 50-50 contests, if you don't win them they go the other way and they score."
Hardwick praised the Blues' midfield.
"They just got on top in that area. That’s where the damage was done."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/131778/default.aspx
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Out of the 3 guys who I'd think may have said they played well:
Cotchin, Grigg, maybe Foley.
Can't think of anyone else that could have said they played well.
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Richmond coach Damien Hardwick disappointed with output
Bruce Matthews
From: Herald Sun
March 30, 2012
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick tried to rescue his game plan at halftime.
Hardwick said his Tigers were not working to the pre-game instructions even though they trailed by only 19 points.
"One would hope we play a hell of a lot better than what we put out there tonight. We were disappointed early doors. We spoke about it at halftime, we were just not playing the way we wanted to play,'' Hardwick said.
"I can handle losing when we play the way we want, but we didn't do that tonight.
"We probably only at various stages played the actual way we wanted to play. At stages we controlled the game reasonably well and the scoreboard reflected the result.
''But the way we finished off, I think they won the last-quarter contested possessions by a differential of 19, so that's a shellacking.
"I think we were ahead for most of the night in that area, but the last quarter to go down by 19 was poor. Those 50-50 contests, if you don't win them, they go the other way and they score.
Hardwick said the Blues were more composed when it counted.
"What they're very good at is they stuff it around and just get out of tackles. There were times when we had the ball in our control, a hand got in, the ball fumbled out and they spread so well.
"Their midfielders have been playing together for a hell of a long time, (Chris) Judd, (Marc) Murphy, (Bryce) Gibbs, all these type of players and they just got on top in that area and that's where the damage was done.
"Because we made a couple of early mistakes that we normally wouldn't make down back, all of sudden guys go into their shells and they don't quite hit their kicks and it became a snowball effect.
"We managed to regain our composure at various stages, but not for long enough to inflict damage on Carlton on a consistent basis.
"We had three solid contributors over the course of the game and we got within seven points late in the game. So there's plenty of upside.''
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-disappointed-with-output/story-fnctrk3q-1226314047219
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Out of the 3 guys who I'd think may have said they played well:
Cotchin, Grigg, maybe Foley.
Can't think of anyone else that could have said they played well.
They'd be my 3.
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I have Rance in my top 3.
A wag might argue that those schoolboy mistakes (fumbles, simple missed open targets by hand or footy and dropped marks) are very charactistic of Richmond against a top side Dimma :P. It is a mental pressure thing as Dimma says. Preseason games are slower and less intense so you have more time whereas the real stuff requires quick decision making and good skill execution under pressure. Our usual suspects just continue to crumble under pressure.
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"Throughout the night we never really played the way we wanted. A loss is a loss but you can accept losing if you have played the way you wanted to play. That's the most disappointing thing from the night - we didn't play the way we wanted to and know we can. "
I am a little concrened about how Dimma wants us to play. If our game is modelled on the Hawthorn style then i am afraid Brett Ratten is correct. It is easily countered. They kept possesion even though it meant going wide, a la Collingwood, and when the zone broke smashed through it. The our game plan may be solid, but it is getting old, the opposing coaches know it and what's worse, our players are still not capable of implementing it.
I know it is round one and we should not panic but this has ground hog day written all over it.
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Uncharacteristic of us?
Winning % of 32 dimma over 2 years.
Fumbling under pressure and allowing a good side to dominate us when the game is there to be won
V characteristic.
Spudleyesque presser Dimma
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Dimma.i must of gone to the wrong game last night
We got flogged everytime they rebounded due to the fact they switched everytime and we weren't prepared
Post will never be a backman
As usual.last night was left to 3-4 players
And I dare not mention the kick ins
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Kick-ins were terrible
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And I dare not mention the kick ins
I will. watching it on TV, during our kick ins, the cameraman could have fixed his camera pointing towards our defensive 50, go and get a coffee and we'd be none the wiser that he'd taken a break. We got bogged down so much with errors and poor decision making. It was excruciating to watch. Newy's torp in an attempt to break the shackles was laughable. :banghead
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Dimma.i must of gone to the wrong game last night
We got flogged everytime they rebounded due to the fact they switched everytime and we weren't prepared
Post will never be a backman
As usual.last night was left to 3-4 players
And I dare not mention the kick ins
I'll mention the kick ins for you.... Embarrassing, frustrating, no idea and way way way too slow.
No movement from any player all night. Carlton didn't waste a second with their kick ins and they were off & running.
Even when Carlton switched play it was obvious to everyone sitting watchimg but who in yellow & black were willing to run & cover the ground & create a contest? On the flip side when we switched & we didn't do it often, who was running to space to offer an option?
When the season starts we ALL hope to see something wether that's better skill, more poise under pressure, some sort of structure & set plays etc. Last night I saw nothing.
I left the game disappointed and the ONLY positive for me was Our future captain Trent Cotchin. He is a star has class & poise under pressure, he works his ass off and fights for the team and when everything isn't going his way he fights his way back. The so called leaders should learn something from him.
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The difference between a 44 point defeat and a 100 point flogging was Cotchin.,Martin and Rance.
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And I dare not mention the kick ins
I will. watching it on TV, during our kick ins, the cameraman could have fixed his camera pointing towards our defensive 50, go and get a coffee and we'd be none the wiser that he'd taken a break. We got bogged down so much with errors and poor decision making. It was excruciating to watch. New's torp in an attempt to break the shackles was laughable. :banghead
well said. :thumbsup
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last season slow starts hurt us
this season the year of fade outs.
lets hope not.
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Grigg was good last night, stood up when he needed to and kicked a couple of goals as well. Can't ask for more than that.
Had we applied some scoreboard pressure early when we missed easy shots then who knows how the confidence would have gone.
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I would like to see Dimma do this.
Drop a senior player in the lower tiers like an Edwards or a Jackson instead of telling us these blokes are the first on the team sheet every week b/c they train so well and are really good blokes and a really smart and savvy.
The second tier is what lets us down.
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"Throughout the night we never really played the way we wanted. A loss is a loss but you can accept losing if you have played the way you wanted to play. That's the most disappointing thing from the night - we didn't play the way we wanted to and know we can. "
I am a little concrened about how Dimma wants us to play. If our game is modelled on the Hawthorn style then i am afraid Brett Ratten is correct. It is easily countered. They kept possesion even though it meant going wide, a la Collingwood, and when the zone broke smashed through it. The our game plan may be solid, but it is getting old, the opposing coaches know it and what's worse, our players are still not capable of implementing it.
I know it is round one and we should not panic but this has ground hog day written all over it.
Hardwick achieved a reputation when he,as an assistant coach at Hawthorn,made a couple of unexpected changes in one of their finals.
That's it.
He's done nothing since.
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The second tier is what lets us down.
Is that really such a surprise Tucker. I share your frustration but we all know well and good that we have no depth and a very uneven spread of talent compared to Carlton. We harp on about it all the time and then we jump up and down when it is left to too few to perform every week. There is noone banging on the door to force these middle of the road players out yet. Therein lies our problem. Replace Post with Maguane, Edwards with White, Jackson with Helbig. Miller with Derrickx?.... The result will be the same. Dimma has been weeding them out since he came but you cant cut them all at once. Guys like Post, Edwards etc. are next on the chopping block.
People talk about our structures and their superior ability to break down our zone, but good football players are able to this and sadly we dont have enough of them yet. Carlton do.
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Foley was pathetic possessions mean nothing when they are not effective
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Foley was pathetic possessions mean nothing when they are not effective
Sorry X but take your anti Foley glasses off for a minute, you know I've not been a great fan but last night he was in our best 5-8 players.
Was he brillant? No; not by along way
But he was reasonable and there were alot more ahead of him the terrible stakes IMHO
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Rubbish. Foley was good last night. Very sharp in close.
Easily in our top 6.
Too hard for some people to have an objective view of certain players.
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Rubbish. Foley was good last night. Very sharp in close.
Easily in our top 6.
Too hard for some people to have an objective view of certain players.
I doubt if truer words have graced this forum
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Why blame the coach after one game?! The facts of the loss are obvious. Forget the zones, forget the forwards. The problems was two fold - our inexperienced and raw backline plus the superiority of their midfield.
We didn't have the confidence or poise in the backline to stop their small forwards or move it out of the defensive arc. Everyone was too scared of making mistakes plain and simple and this was because of the pressure their midfield was applying to every contested situation.
Our midfield keep up the intensity and matched theirs for the first quarter. After that they were able to scramble, force the ball out of the packs to waiting players, stuff it around until a player was free, gut run, break into space, overlap and move the ball into their frantic forwardline. Their small forwards/mids have played together for years and seem to instinctually know where each other will run/be. We seem slow in comparison because we are still looking for each other.
The game in a nut shell - inexperience and lack of poise. We lost because of it. :help
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foley did some good things last night but still,too high a % of his ball gets are turnovers.
Clearly something you are all accepting of,based i guess on the fact he does "other " things that compensate.
Fair enough but at the end of the day,it's not good enough.
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Thought I.Maric went well. people having pot shots at Graham is poor though. we lost in round 1 last year by 3 goals and Goose played reasonably well. Guess al and willy are right, some people can't have an objective view some players.
Newman was poohouse. half his touches come from kicking it to himself from a kickout
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lol
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Kick-ins were terrible
I honestly cant remember a point in my life when they weren't.
Watch tonight and see Collingwood find Pendlebury and Thomas from the kick in who are sure bets to hit the 2nd target effectively.
For what ever reason we kick the ball to KP players who attempt the play on at all cost game plan and struggle skill wise. Think we need to put to bed the play on at all cost game. Too many times we gave a quick handball to someone 30 cms away, its pointless. With no awareness we just put ourselves under unnecessary pressure. Would have counted 10 times we marked the ball in D50 then handpassed it a body length to someone else. Instead of assessing the situation with the time and space awarded after taking a mark we just automatically bring Carlton back into the game and invite pressure.
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lol
WTF you laughing at you weirdo?
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maybe we just dont play well on Thursdays & at night
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lol
WTF you laughing at you weirdo?
This "half his touches come from kicking it to himself from a kickout". I thought it was funny. What of it?
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Rubbish. Foley was good last night. Very sharp in close.
Easily in our top 6.
Too hard for some people to have an objective view of certain players.
I doubt if truer words have graced this forum
Maybe you're right but not for the reasons that you think.
Foley, was good by Richmond standards,but I'd doubt he wouldve been in the top 15 players on the ground. definitely our top 5 or 6.
He just doesn't hurt the opposition