One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on April 03, 2012, 07:53:17 PM
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Mick was on 3aw before 7pm tonight and he was asked by a Tiger caller where Richmond needs to improve. Mick replied that our backline needs a full workover as we have too many players who are too slow decision makers and who "wander". They need to gain possession and then take 3 steps to figure out what they want to do with the footy and you don't have that time in the high-pressure of AFL so they get nailed. Their footskills aren't quite good enough either and that played into Carlton's hands on Thursday night. Either Healy or Russell brought up Post's name and that he had to step up this year for his own sake. I don't remember Mick making a comment about Postie.
Mick was also asked about Daniel Jackson and he said Jackson is just a trier. He's got a solid body and all but he's also a slow decision maker.
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LOL @ Russel and Healy talking about Post again.. It wasn't that long ago that they were asking whether he is still on the list.
Idiots.
Agree about Jackson though.. Someone should tell Dimma.
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Would agree with Micks comments.he bagged Posty in the call of the game last week
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Was in my car listening intently to that covo OE
Said Daniel Jackson, was a good trier, not a bad kick, tough body etc but lack decision making.
Yeah wasn't Malthouse who brought up postie
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malthouse may not have mentioned post by name but he described him to a tee
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thanks Mick. :thumbsup
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He also mentioned that while the body grows, the brain doesn't but then talked about experience helping but not compensating for lack of "smarts".
The context was when talking about our back 6 and Post.
I'd like to know his view of Newman, he was ordinary - in a big game, again.
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Best big game I have seen Newman play is Dreamtime at the G last year.
Looked like a skipper, acted like a skipper, played like a skipper and kicked a ripper in the third.
Captains goal.
I agree with Mick for the most part.
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Post got caught from behind because he didn't realize Gartlett was so close to him. He'll learn to just bang the ball on the boot if there's no one to give it too and he has opposition players behind him
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Post got caught from behind because he didn't realize Gartlett was so close to him. He'll learn to just bang the ball on the boot if there's no one to give it too and he has opposition players behind him
Will he? I saw him get done the same way a couple of times in the nab cup...
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He also mentioned that while the body grows, the brain doesn't but then talked about experience helping but not compensating for lack of "smarts".
Never has a truer word been spoken
I didn't hear the interview but based on the summaries would think Mick is on the money
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Post got caught from behind because he didn't realize Gartlett was so close to him. He'll learn to just bang the ball on the boot if there's no one to give it too and he has opposition players behind him
Will he? I saw him get done the same way a couple of times in the nab cup...
But it's not just this year
He's been getting caught throughout his career because of his slow reaction time and poor instincts
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Post is slow, in every sense of the word. Im worried that he simply lacks the tools to become a quality backman. If your not fast then you at least need to be highly skilled. He's neither. Assberry and even Griff have more potential in this position.
Wish Moorey stayed fit. He was a good player in my eyes.
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Post got caught from behind because he didn't realize Gartlett was so close to him. He'll learn to just bang the ball on the boot if there's no one to give it too and he has opposition players behind him
Will he? I saw him get done the same way a couple of times in the nab cup...
That was 3 weeks earlier. Wont learn instantly. Might happen a couple more times and he'll work it out
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Post got caught from behind because he didn't realize Gartlett was so close to him. He'll learn to just bang the ball on the boot if there's no one to give it too and he has opposition players behind him
Will he? I saw him get done the same way a couple of times in the nab cup...
That was 3 weeks earlier. Wont learn instantly. Might happen a couple more times and he'll work it out
Will repeat it's been happening for 4 seasons now
How much longer do you give him? ::)
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Post's last year
Another FJ KPD failure
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Stuff all the Irish and athlete projects... Should fox the competition and pinch a monster linebacker or safety from the States ;D :laugh:
Imagining it now. A big dark bloke named Tyronne in an overhead contest with Cloke. He 'swats' the ball out of bounds, beating Cloke and proceeds to do a chicken dance. "how you like dat, dawg!"
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No one swats like Grimesy the fiddler. go he looks like a weirdo
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Grimesy the Mean Fiddler
i've seen him flash traffic on Victoria Parade
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Grimesy the Mean Fiddler
i've seen him flash traffic on Victoria Parade
Calamari tempura
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No one swats like Grimesy the fiddler. go he looks like a weirdo
(http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/J+Hawk+Super+Bowl+XLV+Media+Day+9wyvpdnFJAMl.jpg)
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I have seen the same things you guys have seen with Post, however I am prepared to give him a break on the grounds that he has no decent help on the last line. Cale Hooker has the luxury of having Fletcher on one side of him and McVeigh on the other, that's 500+ games, poor old Posty had Grimes helping him down back who has a whopping 9 games under his belt, sweeping around the behind them was a first gamer.
I think Post can continue to benefit with ongoing quality coaching and a bit of experience around him on the field.
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Post isnt a Premiership CHB in the making. I cant see him making it and I cant see him helping us win a flag.
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Yep. i think he can be serviceable at best. Two slow of body and mind, and not enough other tricks to make up for it.
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believe me i agree re: Post but should we all take the wait and see approach till at least next year?
Ill be honest i thought Rance was a spud but im starting to think i as well as a lot of u got that wrong.
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believe me i agree re: Post but should we all take the wait and see approach till at least next year?
Ill be honest i thought Rance was a spud but im starting to think i as well as a lot of u got that wrong.
Appreciate what you are saying daniel but for mine there's a difference and that is never once did I sit and watch Rance and doubt his courage and attack on the contest and ball.
Sadly right at the minute and especially after last week I cannot say the same about Post.
And to me that is the biggest difference
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believe me i agree re: Post but should we all take the wait and see approach till at least next year?
Ill be honest i thought Rance was a spud but im starting to think i as well as a lot of u got that wrong.
Appreciate what you are saying daniel but for mine there's a difference and that is never once did I sit and watch Rance and doubt his courage and attack on the contest and ball.
Sadly right at the minute and especially after last week I cannot say the same about Post.
And to me that is the biggest difference
Well said WP, Rance always made a contest and attacked the ball whereas Post tenses up when it comes his way and hits the panic button.
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Apparently since Mick has become the Oracle for all aspiring coaches he has come out with a line of W.W.M.D or "What. Would. Mick. Do" bracelets.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/vxj2v6.gif)
The are on pre-order as apparently Nathan Buckley purchased the entire first shipment and straps them on to every part of his body before a game. Seems to be working out well so far. :lol
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post has gone back with the flight many times. the kid does go. Wait til the end of the season before giving him his marching orders
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I already have him on the Gus Bus, along with White, Jackson Conners and Webberley......
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Jackson isn't going anywhere
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sadly
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believe me i agree re: Post but should we all take the wait and see approach till at least next year?
Ill be honest i thought Rance was a spud but im starting to think i as well as a lot of u got that wrong.
Your probably right. Perhaps my judgement is too hurried. I'l give him a few more games.
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I already have him on the Gus Bus, along with White, Jackson Conners and Webberley......
The Gus Bus.
:lol
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Actually where the bloody hell is White, haven't heard much of him at all this year so far?????
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Actually where the bloody hell is White, haven't heard much of him at all this year so far?????
Best on of the RFC guys @ Coburg rd 2 & in the bests Rd 1
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Unlike a lot here I think Post can be a very good defensive player.
The problem is that he is a third tall in the mould of Gilbert, Maxwell etc who is being expected to play a key role.
The main worry is that we have no-one to play CHB.
Shows how the damage continues on for years when we did not take McKenzie over Edwards.
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Mick was also asked about Daniel Jackson and he said Jackson is just a trier. He's got a solid body and all but he's also a slow decision maker.
Music to my effing ears.
Get stuffed Jackson.
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Astbury needs to get fit and develop into the CHB we need.
We need a monster at FB as well.
Alipate Carlisle would have been nice if we got him last year.
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Actually where the bloody hell is White, haven't heard much of him at all this year so far?????
Best on of the RFC guys @ Coburg rd 2 & in the bests Rd 1
Cheers mate.....maybe we should of had a look at him this week..
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Unlike a lot here I think Post can be a very good defensive player.
The problem is that he is a third tall in the mould of Gilbert, Maxwell etc who is being expected to play a key role.
The main worry is that we have no-one to play CHB.
Shows how the damage continues on for years when we did not take McKenzie over Edwards.
He was the tallest of the 3 key back last week
Post is 195cm
Grimes is 193cm
Rance is 194cm
So I think it is fair assume he should be taking the key forwards of the opposition
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Unlike a lot here I think Post can be a very good defensive player.
The problem is that he is a third tall in the mould of Gilbert, Maxwell etc who is being expected to play a key role.
The main worry is that we have no-one to play CHB.
Shows how the damage continues on for years when we did not take McKenzie over Edwards.
He was the tallest of the 3 key back last week
Post is 195cm
Grimes is 193cm
Rance is 194cm
So I think it is fair assume he should be taking the key forwards of the opposition
IMO deciding what position a player is most suited for based simply on their height (or any other physical attribute) is simplistic and could be a fatal mistake for a player’s career.
Looking at other teams at the moment in the league we can see examples of taller defenders playing the “third tall” (really the old back pocket) position rather than key defender (CHB or FB).
Geelong have Scarlet (192cm) at FB and Taylor (193) at CHB while Lonergan (197) plays the third tall. Adelaide have Rutten (190) and Otten (192) while Talia (195) is the other tall defender. St Kilda as mentioned have Fisher (191) and Blake (189) while Gilbert (194) is third choice. Essendon have shown in the past that, given Gumbleton’s fitness, they would prefer to have Pears (190) and Hurley (195) as the key backs and either Fletcher (198) or Hooker (196) as a third tall defender.
That’s not to say that it’s not very useful to have the taller player as the key defender like Collingwood have with Reid (195) and Brown (195) having help from Tarrant (193), Maxwell (193) and Goldsack (193).
With the interchange moving more and more towards the requirement that the resting ruckman becomes the third forward, we will see as a result that the old back pocket is required to have enough height to defend someone around 200cm and provide a “third man up” ability to help the key defenders, the mobility to rebound and set up attacks and the decision-making skills to decide the difference.
IMO we are unfairly expecting some of our taller players to do something they are not equipped for and for which they were not recruited. Putt, Gourdis, Post and Westhoff were not key position players or ruckmen, simply talls. In contrast the generally shorter players in Rance, Grimes and Astbury were and are key position players. Interestingly Griffiths is probably a blank slate to some degree, not really showing the presence to be a key position player and will need to develop a lot to fill the role, and may in the finish be very suited for the tall defender role that I’m talking about. I’d say that Polak fitted this description as well and never really showed enough to be considered a key position player, either forward or back.
I also think that people are deflecting blame for poor recruiting decisions onto expectations of players that should never have been put into that position. It’s fair enough to hope that Post can do more than be merely a tall defender but to criticise him because he has not covered for a list/recruiting mistake is one step too far. If Eric McKenzie had been recruited as the CHB in 2006 rather than Edwards we would not be having this debate and the pick used on Gourdis in 2007 could have been used on Bellchambers and thus two holes in our list could have been fixed long term.
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Redan you raise some valid points but in the case regarding Post or even Dea you need to have footy smarts to recognise where you are on the ground and where your team mates an ability to be proactive at the contest and not wait for something to happen and then react to taht when it is far too late, to know where your opponent is and to have an ability to stand up under pressure and use the ball effectively.
Whilst these boys are young one is in their third season Post is in his fourth and maybe we as supporters want someone to take the next step and have a break out year and cement a job for us these boys are struggling at AFL level and in Post's case in the forward line also.
It's make or break for these boys and the signs unfortunantely are not good for them.
I am not blaming Post or Dea specifically you either have it and make it or you don't have it and to an extent I am not blaming FJ for this either but we need to a KPP Backman to develop quickly whilst our midfield and forward line are developing nicely so as we don't miss the boat.
Is it a job for free agency or finding a gem in the draft or VFL, SANFL or WAFL time will tell but what I do know and I have mentioned Post and Dea won't make it and unless Griff and Astbury don't start playing regular footy to give our backline games together under our belt any premiership dreams we harbour in future seasons may just remain that, dreams.