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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: WA Tiger on April 15, 2012, 08:11:00 PM
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Ok, big game here, honestly North have beaten them today so.....
The Cats are down in confidence at the moment and not playing well, we have just had a decent win and some of our players have played themselves into form, Conca, Foley, Newman (to some degree), Nahas......anyway, I won't be disappointed if we lose but I really think we can win this game.
Like I said in a previous post, if our players click, Martin, Riewoldt and Lids can lift with the players that played well against the Dees carrying on that form and our skills comparative of the NAB game against the Cats......We really could pull this one off!!
Edit: added "- sold out!" to title
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I reckon they will come out breathing fire after losing to Nought today. Pretty sure Scarlet will still be suspended which is a big plus.
Everything will have to go right for us to pull it off but its not inconceivable.
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all conspiring against us.
they get beat today
unfurl their flag next week.
is there a better time
to give them all a glimpse
of the future. :thumbsup
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They will go into next week thinking that they have only got the Tigers and they will get an easy win. That's when we will pounce and get win number 2. :pray
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It they had beaten N0rt today then maybe a slim chance
Now.....
First game down there, unfurling the 2011 Flag & they've just bean beaten by a very average team
If we can walk away with loss under 6 goals we'd have done OK
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Nice excuses, WP.
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Nice excuses, WP.
Thanks ;D ;D :cheers
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last time nth beat geelong a week lkater geelong pumped us by 157 pts
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Nice excuses but I agree
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It they had beaten N0rt today then maybe a slim chance
Now.....
First game down there, unfurling the 2011 Flag & they've just bean beaten by a very average team
If we can walk away with loss under 6 goals we'd have done OK
Spot on WP.
They will come out all guns blazing.
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North basically ran them off their feet by being clean of foot and very precise when moving the ball forward quickly. I dont think we have the skill level nor the speed across the park to try and emulate this on the weekend. North basically dominated the game but the Cats well down on the day still managed to come home strong. Could get quite ugly this week given we weren't exactly clinical against the Dees.
Would be nice one day to win a game by upset like North did today. We simply don't win games we are not expected to win. Once we do then i suppose we have finally turned the corner as a list. Of course this wont happen until our less skilled players are slowly but surely weeded out. You simply cant play possession football with players who cant hit targets regularly even under pressure. Over time North have flown under the radar and assembled a very skilled list and look to be the big improvers this season.
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last time nth beat geelong a week lkater geelong pumped us by 157 pts
ANd the last time we won down there in a game that meant something wallace was the RFC coach & Cats were wanted Thompson's head on a platter ;D
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It they had beaten N0rt today then maybe a slim chance
Now.....
First game down there, unfurling the 2011 Flag & they've just bean beaten by a very average team
If we can walk away with loss under 6 goals we'd have done OK
Mr positive again, not Mr realist...... ;)
Beat them in the centre, contain their forwards, clean accurate skills and we win....simple ;D
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Mr positive again, not Mr realist...... ;)
Correct on both counts
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It they had beaten N0rt today then maybe a slim chance
Now.....
First game down there, unfurling the 2011 Flag & they've just bean beaten by a very average team
If we can walk away with loss under 6 goals we'd have done OK
what a LOAD of defeatist rubbish, i smell blood in the water, if we take our A grade game down there we can walk away with a WIN, and wouldnt suprise me in the least if we did either :shh
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what a LOAD of defeatist rubbish, i smell blood in the water, if we take our A grade game down there we can walk away with a WIN, and wouldnt suprise me in the least if we did either :shh
:lol :lol :lol
"defeatist"
No I was being positive & realistic ...WAT said so ;D
And if they turn up with their "A" grade game do you honestly believe our "A" grade game can beat them?
If YES = good for you
Other question (seriously) if Geelong had beaten N0rt today would people still be thinking the same thing?
Let's not lose sight of the fact we beat Melbourne yesterday not exactly a top 4 side and good yardstick on form ;D
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Mr positive again, not Mr realist...... ;)
Correct on both counts
;D
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what a LOAD of defeatist rubbish, i smell blood in the water, if we take our A grade game down there we can walk away with a WIN, and wouldnt suprise me in the least if we did either :shh
:lol :lol :lol
"defeatist"
No I was being positive & realistic ...WAT said so ;D
And if they turn up with their "A" grade game do you honestly believe our "A" grade game can beat them?
If YES = good for you
Other question (seriously) if Geelong had beaten N0rt today would people still be thinking the same thing?
Let's not lose sight of the fact we beat Melbourne yesterday not exactly a top 4 side and good yardstick on form ;D
Dead right, if they bring their A grade game, now what I was saying in my first post is that they are down on form and confidence so........our best chance to strike is to expose their current situation but we must have our A grade game on.
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im hearing the wagons been hitched to take down the highway.
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we can win this , just gotta hit the packs hard, play hard , win contested footy and spread fast
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The Geelong Advertiser is talking a repeat of 2007 ::)
Loss to Roos a bad omen for Tigers
Geelong Advertiser
Bradley Green
April 16th, 2012
IF you believe in omens, Cats fans should have little to worry about.
There were eerily plenty to cling on to following Geelong's loss to North Melbourne at Etihad Stadium last night.
The last time the Cats lost to the Kangaroos was back in round five, 2007 by 16 points down at Geelong.
But they rebounded in emphatic fashion the following week to crush Richmond by 157 points and start one of the most remarkable dominant periods in football's history.
The Cats lost yesterday by 17 points and their next opponent just happens to be Richmond on Sunday afternoon when they will unfurl their 2011 premiership flag in front of the adoring fans at Simonds Stadium.
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You can only imagine how nervous Richmond coach Damian Hardwick will be this week wondering what the Cats' response will be come Sunday.
http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2012/04/16/319891_gfc.html
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That would be the sentiment throughout their club, they would want to make a statement against us.
I say we should come firing to crush kill and destroy and torch the poohole down once we've finished.
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what a LOAD of defeatist rubbish, i smell blood in the water, if we take our A grade game down there we can walk away with a WIN, and wouldnt suprise me in the least if we did either :shh
:lol :lol :lol
"defeatist"
No I was being positive & realistic ...WAT said so ;D
And if they turn up with their "A" grade game do you honestly believe our "A" grade game can beat them?
If YES = good for you
Other question (seriously) if Geelong had beaten N0rt today would people still be thinking the same thing?
Let's not lose sight of the fact we beat Melbourne yesterday not exactly a top 4 side and good yardstick on form ;D
umm, if we'd won our first 2 rounds would your opinion be different ::), howza about we keep it simple and focus on whats real
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umm, if we'd won our first 2 rounds would your opinion be different ::), howza about we keep it simple and focus on whats real
Thanks for not answering the question I asked
But in answer to yours ;D
No it wouldn't!
If we were 3-0 as opposed to 1-2 I'd still be of the view that we would lose at the cattery
Cannot see us beating Geelong
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all conspiring against us.
they get beat today
unfurl their flag next week.
is there a better time
to give them all a glimpse
of the future. :thumbsup
:thumbsup its time :gotigers
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No chance on beating Geelong.I get my hopes up every yr for round 1 only to be smashed.Can't see the point in doing it for this game either.
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We are a chance.. A very very tiny chance.
If Maric gets suspended we are no chance in HELL.
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I'll finish the argument - Backed Richmond 60+ against the dddddddd and have my ticket for Geelong.
In a nutshell 'NO CHANCE'
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Geelong has experienced a wonderful dynasty...I am green with jealousy
You have to ask the question though...After such a sustained period of success- Do they have the same passion/desire/commitment in 2012.
They have had an average of around 3 losses a season over the past five years (wow)...now they have lost 2 of their 3 opening games- both defeats to hungry mid table teams.
I am quietly optimistic.
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Sorry Mat, I think you'll find they still have hunger and will feast on us. I'm happy to eat my words but doubt it so
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Round 4 v Geelong
richmondfc.com.au
Mon 16 Apr, 2012
Richmond’s Round 4 match against Geelong at Simonds Stadium on Sunday is officially sold out. This means that no Richmond membership cards - adult or junior - will provide access on the day. Tiger members, who would like to watch the game with other Yellow and Black barrackers, are welcome to purchase a ticket to a special function being hosted at the ME Bank Centre, Punt Road Oval, where the game can be watched live on the big screen. The ticketed function, which starts at midday, includes a guest speaker, a carvery lunch and tours of the Club’s impressive new facilities.
Tickets are $35 for adults and $20 for juniors (under the age of 15) and they all must be pre-purchased 5pm Wednesday, April 18. To purchase your tickets, please call the Club on 1300 742 466.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/newsId/133227/Default.aspx
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Rooooooooooooos verse Cats at Etihad yesterday had 29,000. Surely the AFL could have fixtured that as a Cats home game at Simmonds ::)
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The Geelong Advertiser is talking a repeat of 2007 ::)
Loss to Roos a bad omen for Tigers
Geelong Advertiser
Bradley Green
April 16th, 2012
IF you believe in omens, Cats fans should have little to worry about.
There were eerily plenty to cling on to following Geelong's loss to North Melbourne at Etihad Stadium last night.
The last time the Cats lost to the Kangaroos was back in round five, 2007 by 16 points down at Geelong.
But they rebounded in emphatic fashion the following week to crush Richmond by 157 points and start one of the most remarkable dominant periods in football's history.
The Cats lost yesterday by 17 points and their next opponent just happens to be Richmond on Sunday afternoon when they will unfurl their 2011 premiership flag in front of the adoring fans at Simonds Stadium.
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You can only imagine how nervous Richmond coach Damian Hardwick will be this week wondering what the Cats' response will be come Sunday.
http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2012/04/16/319891_gfc.html
Arrogant schmucks.
Who are they?
KILL EM TIGERS!stuff this BS.
Go down there and crush the farks.
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Last time i checked it wont be the same 22 that represent the rfc next saturday so its an irrelevance :lol
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It's ridiculous we must go there year after year.
I hope the AFL wake up and never fixture us there again.
Too many bad bad bad memories..... And nightmares.
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AFL site is predicting us to get flogged :P...
Preview: Geelong v Richmond
By Adam McNicol and Paul Daffey
Tue 17 Apr, 2012
WHERE AND WHEN: Simonds Stadium, Sunday April 22, 1.10pm
LAST TIME: Geelong 17.11 (113) d Richmond 7.9 (51), round 18, 2011 at Etihad Stadium
Stung by a loss to North Melbourne in round three, the Cats will unfurl their 2011 premiership flag before taking on Damien Hardwick's emerging Richmond outfit, who is fresh from a convincing win over Melbourne.
THE FOUR POINTS
Geelong
1. A key factor in Geelong's 17-point loss to North Melbourne was the team's inability to make an impact around the stoppages. The Cats lost the clearance count by 13, and when the Kangaroos got the ball they ran the reigning premiers ragged with a game-plan dominated by handballs. North finished the game with 62 more handballs than Geelong.
2. The Cats' key forwards are certainly not their issue. James Podsiadly and Tom Hawkins booted another nine goals between them in the loss to the Roos. Podsiadly now sits atop the race for the Coleman Medal with 12 goals for the season. Hawkins is just one back on 11. The issue for the Cats is the lack of scoring from their small forwards like Steve Johnson and Allen Christensen and attacking midfielders such as Paul Chapman and Mitch Duncan.
3. Geelong should take heart from what happened in the week after North Melbourne last beat it. The Cats lost to the Roos in round five, 2007. In the following round they annihilated Richmond by 157 points.
4. The Cats have enjoyed a great record in games against Richmond in recent years. Geelong has won seven consecutive matches against the Tigers and 14 of the past 15. Over the past decade, the Cats have thrashed Richmond six times by more than 50 points and twice by more than 100. The Tigers' only home and away season win over Geelong in the past decade was in round nine, 2006 at Simonds Stadium.
Richmond
1. It was only a practice match, but Richmond made its supporters very excited when it thrashed Geelong by 59 points at Simonds Stadium in March. Richmond was in control for the entire match, leading Tigers fans to clear their throats and begin talking about finals. After two losses and a win in the premiership season, they're not talking finals now. Club insiders might feel differently, but you get the impression from fans that the Tigers would be happy simply with a strong showing at the Cattery.
2. The Tigers' experiences against Geelong have been largely horror stories since they won their clash against the Cats in 2006. Last year the Cats won at Etihad Stadium by 62 points. It's been that sort of rivalry.
3. The Tigers will be extra wary because Geelong coach Chris Scott has given his players a blast for losing the contested possession count in their three games this season. Bullish Richmond midfielder Dustin Martin has been down on form. The Tigers will need Martin to step up if they're going to keep Geelong to another low contested possession count.
4. Dylan Grimes' nomination for the Rising Star award after round three confirms that Richmond is bedding down a backline. Chris Newman, Alex Rance and Steven Morris are steady in the last line, while Grimes picks up the second tall, Jake Batchelor last week picked up the third tall and first-year player Brandon Ellis has impressed at half-back. Rance and Grimes this week will have their resolve tested when they take on the in-form James Podsiadly and Tom Hawkins.
AFL.com.au prediction: Geelong by 47 points
http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/newsId/133323/Default.aspx
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A battle on Sunday about who wins the contested footy...
Cats to find bite against Tigers
By Adam McNicol
Wed 18 Apr, 2012
GEELONG coach Chris Scott is confident his players can rediscover their renowned hardness around the ball when they host Richmond at Simonds Stadium on Sunday.
The Cats have lost the contested possession in count in all three matches this season, and that has been a key factor in their 1-2 start to their premiership defence.
http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/newsId/133401/Default.aspx
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The Cats have lost the contested possession in count in all three matches this season, and that has been a key factor in their 1-2 start to their premiership defence.
Really would think contested footy impacts on all teams ::)
Our poor contested numbers in rounds 1 & 2 show that, hence our 1-2 start to the season
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We can win this game
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We can win this game
Agree we CAN but we WONT ;D
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Cats must lift for Tigers, says Scott
By AAP .
18 April 2012 12:45PM EST
GEELONG coach Chris Scott says his side's loss to Richmond during the pre-season cup is irrelevant ahead of Sunday's Round 4 clash with the Tigers in Geelong.
The Cats have won 14 of their past 15 matches against the Tigers including seven in a row.
However Scott says his defending premiers have sat through a brutally honest review of last week's shock loss to North Melbourne which left Geelong with a 1-2 record this season.
"The pre-season, I would say if it's not completely irrelevant, it's 99 per cent irrelevant," Scott told reporters on Wednesday.
"The last three games have more relevance than that one.
"We didn't play well that day (in March against Richmond who won by 59 points in Geelong) but it was very very early stages in our preparation, particularly with our senior players."
Scott said with losses to top sides like Carlton and Collingwood in the opening two rounds and a good win over Melbourne last week, Richmond were going okay and he expected them to finish in the top half of the ladder in 2012.
http://www.sportsnewsfirst.com.au/articles/2012/04/18/cats-must-lift-for-tigers-says-scott/
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need to pick up the contested ball and clearances if Richmond are any chance, they are in the bottom 2 in the league in both categories
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Will be watching the umpires. ;D
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We won the game last time through our superior stoppage work and Marics tap work to our waiting midfielders specifically. Maric tapped it back behind himself repeatedly as a set play and it took Geelong a number of quarters to catch on. They will be ready this time and have Selwwod and Bartel in the middle to stem the flow if required. I would love to believe we can do it again but they will be fired up to avenge the preseason and North games embarrassment.
Sadly, we will lose convincingly unless Jack finally gets off his leash. :pray
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ATTENTION RICHMOND SUPPORTERS IN GEELONG!!!
The club has decided to allow us to head down to Simmonds stadium tomorrow to watch the Tigers train!!
They have gone out of their way for us Geelong and surrounding region based supporters to have a chance to see our boys in action!!
All info will be on the RFC website shortly!!
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A few interesting Average stats comparing the two teams after their first three games -
Kicks
Tigers - 213 Cats - 196
Handballs
Tigers - 178 Cats - 129
Marks
Tigers - 101 Cats - 74
Tackles
Tigers - 61 Cats - 73
Goals
Tigers - 13 Cats - 15
Top Goals Kickers
Tigers - Miller: 7, Riewoldt: 5
Geelong - Podsiadly: 12, Hawkins: 11
Top Possession
Tigers - Grigg: 29, Cotchin 25, Rance 24
Geelong - Selwood 28.7, Chapman 19.3
The interesting stats form me were the goals kickers. They are extremely reliant upon their two big talls to kick their score where, even though we have almost scored the same on average as a team (again only looking at 3 games), we seem to share the load and get more from our midfielders. They also have one very dominant midfielder and it falls away very quickly after that.
Can we tag Selwood, Pods and Hawkins out of the game is the big question. If the answer is yes we will win this game.
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Great stats stripes,
I think we overuse the ball and work harder for less reward.
I would also suggest geelong aren't playing the way they want to, and I'm sure they can compensate for the goal kickers if they had to. When they thrash teams down there they have many multiple goal scorers.
I like your idea though. :thumbsup just wish they could put thought in outcome
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ATTENTION RICHMOND SUPPORTERS IN GEELONG!!!
The club has decided to allow us to head down to Simmonds stadium tomorrow to watch the Tigers train!!
They have gone out of their way for us Geelong and surrounding region based supporters to have a chance to see our boys in action!!
All info will be on the RFC website shortly!!
I'll post this in the training thread as well. From RFC twitter:
"Geelong Training: 2pm session tomorrow can enter Simmonds Stadium via the Polly Farmer gates in Moorabool Street, at city end of the ground."
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Tigers will look at other ways to nab an advantage
Inside Football
AFL News
Wednesday, April 18 2012
While Richmond fans' optimism about securing a victory over Geelong on Sunday is underpinned by a NAB Cup thrashing of the Cats seven weeks ago, star Tiger Brett Deledio has a vastly different take.
Asked if the Tigers' nine-goal belting of the Cats would give his side an edge going into the Simonds Stadium clash, Deledio said: "Probably not. It's a different game against a different side and we'll be a little different as well."
While taking little from a pre-season win, the dual best-and-fairest winner was happy to hang his hat on his side's midfield depth, which he believes can match the league's elite.
"You've got to have depth to go with the big boys and we've got it now I think," Deledio said.
Last weekend against Melbourne the Tigers gathered 160 more disposals and won the inside-50 count 65-30 on the back of a rampant midfield.
Deledio, who turned 25 this week, said it was incumbent on the midfielders to assist Trent Cotchin when he was heavily tagged.
"We're doing our best now to look after him, but it's something we've got to get better at," he said.
"You look at Gary Ablett who gets 40 (possessions) despite getting tagged, so we've got to help Trent and make sure he's got every opportunity to get 30 plus."
Deledio paid tribute to young defender Dylan Grimes, whom he likened to Essendon star Dustin Fletcher thanks to his ability to produce a last-minute spoil.
"It's a big rap, but he's got some Fletcher-like traits," he said.
"He's really blossomed and his kicking and decision making is getting better with every minute he plays.
"Together with Alex Rance they are giving our defence some real structure."
That structure will get tested on the weekend by Cats duo James Podsiadly and Tom Hawkins, who have combined for 23 goals in three matches this year.
http://www.insidefootballonline.com/news1.html
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Great stats stripes,
I think we overuse the ball and work harder for less reward.
I would also suggest geelong aren't playing the way they want to, and I'm sure they can compensate for the goal kickers if they had to. When they thrash teams down there they have many multiple goal scorers.
I like your idea though. :thumbsup just wish they could put thought in outcome
They've played some good opposition but no better than we did in the first two weeks. They just don't seem the same team and are heavily reliant upon their older players pulling the rest of the team along. Besides Selwood and Hawkins the rest seem to have lost their mojo. The problem though for us is that last weeks loss and our win against them may be the motivation these senior players need to fire up. I hope the spirit is willing but the body is wanting for these guys though.
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A few interesting Average stats comparing the two teams after their first three games -
Kicks
Tigers - 213 Cats - 196
Handballs
Tigers - 178 Cats - 129
Marks
Tigers - 101 Cats - 74
Tackles
Tigers - 61 Cats - 73
Goals
Tigers - 13 Cats - 15
Top Goals Kickers
Tigers - Miller: 7, Riewoldt: 5
Geelong - Podsiadly: 12, Hawkins: 11
Top Possession
Tigers - Grigg: 29, Cotchin 25, Rance 24
Geelong - Selwood 28.7, Chapman 19.3
The interesting stats form me were the goals kickers. They are extremely reliant upon their two big talls to kick their score where, even though we have almost scored the same on average as a team (again only looking at 3 games), we seem to share the load and get more from our midfielders. They also have one very dominant midfielder and it falls away very quickly after that.
Can we tag Selwood, Pods and Hawkins out of the game is the big question. If the answer is yes we will win this game.
Great post, Stripes. I've been looking at similar things this week and have been taking a bit out of the Cats v Norf game. There is another side to Selwood with the highest possession getter. Bartel has played loose man behind the ball in rounds 2 and 3 because Scarlet is out. Teams have cottoned on, and Norf did it best by sacrificing their best forward to take the best defender out of the game (not too much different to us as we're clearing the 50 and our mids and smalls are running in, as opposed to kicking to a contest). This forces Bartel back behind the ball otherwise it's open space or 1 on 1s with their 2nd, 3rd (or 3rd and 4th since no Scarlet) defenders. Cats are struggling to find a replacement for Ling and Boomer only had a soft tag because I imagine they had someone running with Swallow instead. He was involved in almost every Norf score when he was on the ground. Jackson will no doubt run with Selwood and I reckon Chappy will go to Cotchin. This is why we need Martin to return to form. We haven't been strong on the contested mark in the forward line this year, which I imagine because we are playing key forwards as opposed to a full forward, and Miller and Co are leading into space more and we have such a big spread of goal kickers, and I don't see it a big change to the current plan to employ the same tactic as Norf and isolate Geelong's weakest defender in our forward 50. As long as we aren't getting smashed in the middle and can rack up some inside 50s, this forces Bartel behind and he won't be able to run with any one. If we bring in 3 back talls (not sure at the expense of who though), Batch would be ideal to put a hard tag on one of their offensive mids too and would be dangerous on the rebound and in attack without a direct opponent, and could go with Bartel when the poo hits the fan.
I agree that Geelong's game verse the Dawks was taxing, but is being read into a little too much. It was still a 6 day turn around and never affected them in the previous seasons. I imagine it was the most taxing on their young guys and I still reckon we can catch their greener blokes a little under done. Norf killed Geelong with handballs and uncontested possessions. We are second and first in those respectively, miles ahead of the Cats (almost double). We need some massive efforts and some fellas need to get their fingers out of the bums, but I don't see why we can't give the Cats a decent push.
Dwaino's genius to beat the Cats:
-Isolate Geelong's weakest defender
-Negate Bartel
-Run and spread at speed
Also, we have ripper smalls, mids and ball carriers, not sure why we don't just pinch Carlton's kick in strat (which they killed us with in round 1) if we're struggling so much to get out of the press.
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Great stats stripes,
I think we overuse the ball and work harder for less reward.
I would also suggest geelong aren't playing the way they want to, and I'm sure they can compensate for the goal kickers if they had to. When they thrash teams down there they have many multiple goal scorers.
I like your idea though. :thumbsup just wish they could put thought in outcome
They've played some good opposition but no better than we did in the first two weeks. They just don't seem the same team and are heavily reliant upon their older players pulling the rest of the team along. Besides Selwood and Hawkins the rest seem to have lost their mojo. The problem though for us is that last weeks loss and our win against them may be the motivation these senior players need to fire up. I hope the spirit is willing but the body is wanting for these guys though.
Yep! Though I reckon Selwood still has it (just doesn't look as good when everyone around is dragging the chain), blokes like Stevie J stink a bit at the moment and would be a good trial by fire for someone like Morris.
Their senior players have been doing well, but no Ottens, no Ling, and their senior injuries, many of the younger players have been kept out of the side for so long and are still finding their feet and are a little underdone at the moment.
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Our defenders are smart now.
Grimes and Rance are clever cookies.
Carn Tiges!
We can bloody win this one if we are smart.
Footy smarts!
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No easy task in taming Tigers
Geelong Advertiser
Michael Auciello
April 19th, 2012
GEELONG says it is under no illusions it is facing a finals contender this Sunday.
But while Richmond enjoyed a 10-goal win over the Cats in the NAB Cup last month, coach Chris Scott says that result will have absolutely no relevance to this week's contest.
The Tigers stunned an underwhelming Geelong by 59 points in the third week of the pre-season competition, playing a near full-strength team.
But Scott said he could take almost nothing from the match as the two sides prepare to meet again at Simonds Stadium this Sunday.
What do you want to see from the Cats against the Tigers this Sunday? Have your say on the stuff form below
"I'd say, if it's not completely irrelevant, it's 99 per cent irrelevant," Scott said.
"It probably gives us an idea of the way they want to play with their full complement, but the last three games have more relevance than that one.
"We didn't play well that day, but it was very, very early stages in our preparation as well, particularly with our senior players.
"I think they (Richmond) have been pretty good to start the year, they had a good pre-season, played good footy through the pre-season comp and lost to two very good teams in the first two rounds and had a good win on the weekend.
"It's hard to know after three rounds exactly where everyone's at but we wouldn't be surprised if Richmond's closer to the top half of the ladder than the bottom half."
Defender Andrew Mackie is no certainty to take on the Tigers are suffering a head knock against North Melbourne and being subbed out of the game at half time.
"He certainly hasn't been ruled out, he's got a little bit of a split lip, but that goes for about half a dozen of our guys who have got little cuts and bruises," Scott said.
"The question is, can we be convinced that he's over the knock to his head, and we don't even really try to test him until later in the week."
Scott said he was "very confident" Mathew Stokes would return after missing last week, while he was "mildly confident" defender Billie Smedts would play against Richmond.
Speedster David Wojcinski (foot) will return to the VFL this week with Scott hopeful he'll be pushing for senior selection within a couple of weeks.
"He's trained really strongly, and we're hoping to get a good performance from him, it'd be nice to have him back in the next fortnight or so," he said.
Defender Josh Hunt (calf) is also likely to return via the Cats' VFL side against Werribee tomorrow night.
http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2012/04/19/320641_gfc.html
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Two great posts here Dwaino! Gives us some hope which we desperately need coming up against the Cats!
Great post, Stripes. I've been looking at similar things this week and have been taking a bit out of the Cats v Norf game. There is another side to Selwood with the highest possession getter. Bartel has played loose man behind the ball in rounds 2 and 3 because Scarlet is out. Teams have cottoned on, and Norf did it best by sacrificing their best forward to take the best defender out of the game (not too much different to us as we're clearing the 50 and our mids and smalls are running in, as opposed to kicking to a contest). This forces Bartel back behind the ball otherwise it's open space or 1 on 1s with their 2nd, 3rd (or 3rd and 4th since no Scarlet) defenders. Cats are struggling to find a replacement for Ling and Boomer only had a soft tag because I imagine they had someone running with Swallow instead. He was involved in almost every Norf score when he was on the ground. Jackson will no doubt run with Selwood and I reckon Chappy will go to Cotchin. This is why we need Martin to return to form. We haven't been strong on the contested mark in the forward line this year, which I imagine because we are playing key forwards as opposed to a full forward, and Miller and Co are leading into space more and we have such a big spread of goal kickers, and I don't see it a big change to the current plan to employ the same tactic as Norf and isolate Geelong's weakest defender in our forward 50. As long as we aren't getting smashed in the middle and can rack up some inside 50s, this forces Bartel behind and he won't be able to run with any one. If we bring in 3 back talls (not sure at the expense of who though), Batch would be ideal to put a hard tag on one of their offensive mids too and would be dangerous on the rebound and in attack without a direct opponent, and could go with Bartel when the poo hits the fan.
I agree that Geelong's game verse the Dawks was taxing, but is being read into a little too much. It was still a 6 day turn around and never affected them in the previous seasons. I imagine it was the most taxing on their young guys and I still reckon we can catch their greener blokes a little under done. Norf killed Geelong with handballs and uncontested possessions. We are second and first in those respectively, miles ahead of the Cats (almost double). We need some massive efforts and some fellas need to get their fingers out of the bums, but I don't see why we can't give the Cats a decent push.
Dwaino's genius to beat the Cats:
-Isolate Geelong's weakest defender
-Negate Bartel
-Run and spread at speed
Also, we have ripper smalls, mids and ball carriers, not sure why we don't just pinch Carlton's kick in strat (which they killed us with in round 1) if we're struggling so much to get out of the press.
I wonder if Bartel will be left to fill the gap in the backline against our defenders. I would suggest that they will start on the attack and have him playing midfield but if our forwards look dangerous they will make the switch. You also mentioned your hope that Martin gets off the leash (why would be fantastic btw) but I think if we have a similar scenario to the Melbourne game where we have a lift from all our second stringers - Foley, Grigg and Edwards in particular - then this will make us extremely difficult to stop.
Geelongs biggest problem really is not their midfield but their rucks. This is why we won by so much in the NAB Cup, because big Ivan feed our midfielders running from behind him. We played one extra small mid/defender who then ran past and were feed by the midfielder who got the tap down to and away we went. I wonder if they will try and play more small negating forwards to stop this???
Yep! Though I reckon Selwood still has it (just doesn't look as good when everyone around is dragging the chain), blokes like Stevie J stink a bit at the moment and would be a good trial by fire for someone like Morris.
Their senior players have been doing well, but no Ottens, no Ling, and their senior injuries, many of the younger players have been kept out of the side for so long and are still finding their feet and are a little underdone at the moment.
Selwood could explode if he is allowed to but no Ling hurts them. Johnson could do anything and regularly does so Morris would have to be his niggly best if we are to keep him in check. Chapman is the key to this game though. He is their +1 and if he steps up it takes the focus off Selwood etc. He is been ordinary so far so lets hope he continues in this form against us.
We really need Vickery to step up but I just can't see it happening at this stage and I'm not sure if this is because he is playing further up the ground or is just having a bad patch.
We have a real chance to win but all the stars would have to align here for it to come off. :pray
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Chapman is due for his twice a year hammy twinge.....fingers crossed ;D
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Chappy's best is behind him now. Let him stay on the park and become frustrated.
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Chappy's best is behind him now. Let him stay on the park and become frustrated.
Lawl...Either or ;D
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Another media outlet expecting Geelong to just roll up, rebound and flog us ::)
Preview: Geelong v Richmond
Ben Sutton
Sportal
19/4/2012
WE THINK:
The last time Geelong lost to North Melbourne they came out and belted Richmond by 157 points to kickstart their five-year dynasty. While a similar margin this week is highly unlikely, expect a fired up Cats outfit after a relatively slow start to the season. Geelong appear to have lost their hardness with the reigning premiers losing the contested ball in each of the first three matches. They also haven't got enough out of their veterans with Steve Johnson, Paul Chapman and Joel Corey all struggling for form. Richmond on the other hand are up and about after some strong performances to open the season. They pushed Carlton in the season opener and looked good against the Pies except for 10 minutes of the third quarter. They are also coming off a 59-point hammering of Melbourne so will be full of confidence. But they have won just one of their last 15 matches against the Cats and with Geelong set to unfurl last year's premiership flag before the game expect a big victory for the hosts. Geelong by 45
Full preview here: http://www.sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/preview-geelong-v-richmond-172236
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Because every game is just a replay of the last one Ben Sutton you sniveling pole smoker.
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Thanks Stripes :thumbsup BTW when are the teams out?
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Chapman usually has a good game against us.
His stats have been down on previous seasons this year but he is the type of player that can explode against us.
In a strange way this game I am starting to feel is winnable.
Maybe our once a decade win at the tin sheep shearing shed is hapenning on Sunday and then we don't have to ever go there again. Baa baa baa. :lol :rollin :lol
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The bookies are all pricing Geelong to win by plenty...
Richmond $5.25
Geelong $1.16
Source: TAB Sportsbet
Every footy journo in the Age and Herald-Sun have tipped Geelong.
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Were gunna get smashed
Ty and jack will have a shocker
And the batman and Robin show will be in full swing
FACT
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Richmond confident of matching Cats
Guy Hand
AAP
April 20, 2012
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick says the Tigers' pre-season AFL win over Geelong is irrelevant.
So is the fact the last time Geelong were beaten by North Melbourne and played the Tigers the next week, the Cats won by 157 points to start a dynasty.
Hardwick's reasoning is that Geelong have come a long way since the NAB Cup.
And results this season show Richmond are no longer the rabble they were reduced to in 2007 at Etihad Stadium in one of their worst-ever losses.
Hardwick has stopped short of declaring the Tigers can produce a breakthrough home-and-away victory against the defending premiers, though they won at the same venue by 59 points in the NAB Cup.
But he is confident they'll be competitive when they take on the Cats at Simonds Stadium on Sunday.
"Geelong are an outstanding side so we've certainly got our work cut out against formidable opposition," Hardwick said on Friday.
"Whether that (a breakthrough win against a top four side) is next week, the week after or whenever, we'll go into every week confident, and this week's no different.
"We've planned, we're prepared, the boys are training to a standard we always want to improve, but they're going about it the right way.
"We know we'll put in a solid performance. We've just got to make sure we put in greater consistency for a longer period of time."
Richmond actually sit above Geelong on the AFL ladder - albeit on percentage - with both sides having 1-2 win-loss records.
The Tigers' win over Melbourne last weekend perhaps reinforced Richmond are capable of beating poor sides, yet their losses against Carlton and Collingwood to open the season show how far they have to go to be at the pointy end.
Richmond trained at Geelong's home ground Simonds Stadium on Thursday, primarily to get the feel of a field which is undergoing redevelopment work and minus one grandstand.
Hardwick said it was a worthwhile exercise.
"We'd train at the MCG every week if we could. If you can train on the ground you're playing on, you'd do it all the time," Hardwick said.
"Without that grandstand down there, the wind can be quite tricky. We had a northerly down there. They're predicting there's going to be a northerly at the weekend."
The Cats will unfurl their 2011 premiership flag before Sunday's match.
Midfielder Shane Edwards has withdrawn from the Richmond squad due to calf soreness.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/afl/13479831/richmond-confident-of-matching-cats/
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Edwards out (Calf) :cheers
Webberley in
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Roar Preview Round 4: Richo and Lade preview the Geelong game...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/441901/default.aspx
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The bookies are all pricing Geelong to win by plenty...
Richmond $5.25
Geelong $1.16
Source: TAB Sportsbet
Every footy journo in the Age and Herald-Sun have tipped Geelong.
$5.25 sure is tempting to put a redback on......
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Richmond confident of matching Cats
Guy Hand
AAP
April 20, 2012
So is the fact the last time Geelong were beaten by North Melbourne and played the Tigers the next week, the Cats won by 157 points to start a dynasty.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/afl/13479831/richmond-confident-of-matching-cats/
Im tired of expecting to get reamed against this mob
Its about time to come full circle and end the dynasty that started against us.
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Richmond coach Damien Hardwick confident of matching Cats
Matt Windley
From:Herald Sun
April 21, 2012
IN RACING terms, Richmond is a last-start winner but faces a massive step up in class and distance against Geelong at Simonds Stadium on Sunday.
Fans will point to the Tigers' victory, in a canter, during the NAB Cup as a reason why their side can notch a second consecutive win.
But coach Damien Hardwick joined Cats counterpart Chris Scott in saying that result was "completely irrelevant" as a measuring stick.
"Both clubs were at different preparation stages," Hardwick said.
"I think Geelong only had nine or 10 players in there that will play Round 4.
"There's some things that we'll take out of it in terms of the way we play, but what Geelong got out of that game is completely different to what we got out of it.
"The way we played that ground was certainly good and we felt, from an experience point of view, it's always good to play a certain style of footy at that ground because it is very different. It's longer than the MCG, but also skinnier. You have to adjust."
Richmond had a rare training gallop in Geelong on Thursday, with Hardwick saying it was important for his players to acclimatise to the conditions.
"It was more about ground familiarisation. Obviously, with that grandstand (rebuild) down there the wind can be quite tricky," Hardwick said.
"It's always good to train at the ground you're going to play at. The surface is fantastic."
The Cats will unfurl their 2011 premiership flag before tomorrow's match.
Richmond actually sits above Geelong on the ladder on percentage, with both having 1-2 records.
The Tigers' win against Melbourne last weekend perhaps reinforced they are capable of beating poor sides, but losses to Carlton and Collingwood showed how far they have to go.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-confident-of-matching-cats/story-e6frf9jf-1226334346738
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We've gone from not being sure we can compete to being pretty sure we can?
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We've gone from not being sure we can compete to being pretty sure we can?
baby steps? :lol
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We've gone from not being sure we can compete to being pretty sure we can?
Hasnt that been said here before?? jees dejavu (im not taking the pee either, I think it has :-\)
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I've gone for a Tiges win in my multi.
We're in this.
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Rack off
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We've gone from not being sure we can compete to being pretty sure we can?
Hasnt that been said here before?? jees dejavu (im not taking the pee either, I think it has :-\)
Yes. ;)
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Richmond confident of matching Cats
Guy Hand
AAP
April 20, 2012
So is the fact the last time Geelong were beaten by North Melbourne and played the Tigers the next week, the Cats won by 157 points to start a dynasty.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/afl/13479831/richmond-confident-of-matching-cats/
Im tired of expecting to get reamed against this mob
Its about time to come full circle and end the dynasty that started against us.
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hmm, dont mind the sound of that, has a nice ring to it...Lets do it :gotigers
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I reckon this will be a true test of where we are as a club in Toto. I hope we do well but suspect the same cracks to appear.
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The day we break this hoodoo against the cats will be the genesis of the emancipation from years of loser culture that has plagued us.
Let's hope today is that day.
:gotigers
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Matt White is sub
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White the sub according to the AFL matchday centre ...
RICHMOND
B: Chris Newman, Alex Rance, Steven Morris
HB: Jake Batchelor, Dylan Grimes, Bachar Houli
C: Brett Deledio, Dustin Martin, Daniel Jackson
HF: Reece Conca, Tyrone Vickery, Addam Maric
F: Robin Nahas, Jack Riewoldt, Brad Miller
Foll: Ivan Maric, Trent Cotchin, Shane Tuck
I/C: Nathan Foley, Shaun Grigg, Brandon Ellis
Sub: Matthew White
GEELONG CATS
B: Corey Enright, Tom Lonergan, Cameron Guthrie
HB: Andrew Mackie, Harry Taylor, Tom Gillies
C: Taylor Hunt, Joel Corey, Allen Christensen
HF: Paul Chapman, Tom Hawkins, Mitch Duncan
F: Steve Johnson, James Podsiadly, Mathew Stokes
Foll: Trent West, Jimmy Bartel, Joel Selwood
I/C: Josh Hunt, Steven Motlop, George Horlin-Smith
Sub: Jesse Stringer
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/16931/Default.aspx#fixtureid=7693&tab=Teams&view=text
Edit: Beat me to it Jack :thumbsup
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Scanning system at Geelong Down - nice start, wait AT pub and
Watch the queues grow
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Scanning system at Geelong Down - nice start, wait AT pub and
Watch the queues grow
Serves them right for making us play down there. The RFC should make a song and dance about it as further ammo so we never play there again.
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A POWER failure at Simonds Stadium is causing major disruptions before the start of the Geelong and Richmond game.
Thousands of fans are still waiting to get in to the ground, with people milling around on the road that leads in to the stadium.
There are two queues that reportedly stretch back 150m.
The lack of power is said to be affecting the operation of the turnstiles at two entrances to the ground, with power out for more than 40 minutes.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/133753/default.aspx
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Strong breeze to one end according to 3aw. Geelong won the toss and will be kicking with it first. We need to maintain possession and waste clock time.
Foley, Grigg and Ellis on the bench.
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Goal to Cats in the first 45 secs :P
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Lids good play and Vickery marks 25m out. Goal :gotigers
Rich 6
Geel 6
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Argh!
Goal to Cats. They got goal side of us.
Interchange free to us and 50m. Maric gets it back :gotigers
Rich 12
Geel 12
10 mins Q1
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What is the goals advantage with the breeze?
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Can't afford those poor handballs.
We get it back. Cotch long. free to TV. Advantage to Lids on 40m and Jack marks on the goal-line. Goal :gotigers
Rich 18
Geel 12
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What is the goals advantage with the breeze?
A "hurricane" breeze to the Cats according to the commentators. It's unprotected at the breeze end whereas our end is protected by the stands and we are using that.
Dumb 50m by Vickery (didn't take two steps back). Gifts the Cats a goal.
Rich 18
geel 18
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Centre clearance by the Cats and Hawkins marks and goals easily from 50m. So yep it's a stiff breeze. 3aw saying a 3-4 goal breeze.
Rich 18
Geel 24
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Got to maintain possession Tiges. Can't afford missing lead-up targets (nahas missed Maric) or Conca missing a target kicking backwards.
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Rance to Houli to grigg lucky handball favours Rance to Lids back to Grigg long inside 50 but Lonergan read the drop better and lead Jack to the ball.
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Big Ivan and batch playing well.
Loose handball by the Cats and Conca has a ping from 40m but misses.
Rich 19
Geel 24
22 mins Q1
Malthouse said thios is top 4 stuff from Richmond.
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Tuck got caught and the Cats clear on the rebound but thankfully Grimes takes a good mark in defence to save the day.
Another dopey free against Vickery (spoiling). mick said he needs to control his aggression. From the resulting play mark (Hunt) inside 50. Thankfully a point.
Rich 19
Geel 25
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Nahas runs but kicks into 50m under pressure and to a 2-on-1 so Geelong clears. On the rebound the Cats go coast to coast for a mark insdie 50 in the pocket but thankfully Stevie J kicks it OOTF.
Late in the first quarter. Just need to prevent any more score.
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30 mins gone.
Conca finds Jack on HB. Just maintain possession Tgers......well done Siren!
Richmond 3.1-19
Geelong 4.1-25
Goals: Riewoldt, Vickery, I.Maric
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TV said it's a 3-4 goal breeze. Good quarter to only be 1 goal down.
Need to bang on a few in the 2nd to use that advantage.
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Best- lids
Ivan maric killing it in back pocket
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Possies:
Batch 11
Grigg 9
Newy 9
Conca 7
I.maric 7
Dusty 7
Tucky 7
Cotch 6
Lids 6
Foley 6
Grimes 5
A.maric 5
Nahas 5
Ellis 4
Houli 4
Morris 4
Jack 3
Vickery 3
Jacko 2
Miller 1
White 0 (sub - not used yet)
Total possies 118 - 81 (we've had 71 handballs)
Marks 17 - 23
Tackles 21 - 27
Hitotus 9 - 12
Frees 4 - 7
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Batch doing very well.
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TV said it's a 3-4 goal breeze. Good quarter to only be 1 goal down.
Need to bang on a few in the 2nd to use that advantage.
Yep need to now make the most of the breeze.
Batch and Conca playing great games.
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We can go longer now Tiges. Turnover on the wing.
Cats get one against the breeze. Poor defending mind you.
Rich 19
Geel 31
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You can watch chapman kick a goal or you can tackle him. They watched.
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Got to keep the workrate up Tiges. Geelong has lifted. Rushed point to them.
Rich 19
geel 32
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Maric ot Ellis to Lids back to Elis to Houli to rance in the centre. Overpossessing. little Maric can't hang on to the mark. Geelong rebounds off HB and West marks 30m out. Misses thankfully.
Rance needed to go long inside 50m.
Rich 19
Geel 32
We are making dumb mistakes not hitting targets and going too short, overpossessing and indirect into the breeze.
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Newy has a fly from 65m but it's touched for the throw-in in the pocket. We then give away a free :scream.
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They are murdering us on the rebound. Pressure has dropped off. Gola to Cats.
Rich 19
Geel 38
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Maric tap to Tucky. Tumbles to HF. Foley gather to Nahas and Miller's first touch is a mark 45m out. Gets under it and it's OOTF ::)
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0 marks richmond.
Sickening
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Where's our forward-line pressure? :huh :banghead
This quarter is Richmond gets it forward, Geelong then rebounds fast on the rebound under no pressure and scores.
Poster to Pods.
Rich 19
Geel 39
Pathetic Richmond! There's one thing to be beaten by a better side but we are beating ourselves being lazy.
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Dusty has a ping. Point.
Rich 20
Geel 39
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Richmond are writing the textbook on how to butcher the ball into the forward line when you have a 4 goal breeze.
If Jack does one more u-turn in the forward line when a teamate is running past he should be subbed off.
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jackson woeful
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Jacko intercepts in our forward lines but he stuffs it up handballing to Nahas feet :banghead. Rushed point.
Rich 21
Geel 39
Miller and Jacko are best for geelong at the moment.
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Jackson just awful :banghead
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Dusty free 65m out. Has a shot and it's a point.
Rich 22
Geel 39
Malthouse wants Miller off. I agree.
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Newy point :P. That's 5 straight points.
Rich 23
Geel 39
18 mins Q1
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Geelong kick-in goes OOTF. Now Lids kicks a point :scream
Rich 24
Geel 39
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Maric taps and roves to griig to Cotch top of the square but it's cleared by the Cats.
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Where are our crumbers? :banghead
Nahas now to Grigg back to Nahas and Miller marks directly in front. Doesn't make the distance :banghead
How can you not make the distance with that breeze :banghead. Miller you spud get oFF!
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I told you miller was poo.
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Kicking is digusting, kick it bloody straight and stop being cowboys!!
If we played like we did in the first quater we would be in front
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I ask again where are our crumbers and small forwards? Leaving it to Jack and Vikcery to do the ground work. Should have been a free to TV as well ::)
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Had a gutfull of Jack
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Conca poor kick off HB and gifts the Cats a goal.
Rich 24
Geel 45
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Had a gutfull of Jack
It might help if the mids hadn't gone asleep this quarter. The delivery and movement of the ball is crap!
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what a frustrating game to watch. So many errors and missed chances. But as a long time Tottenham Hotspurs fan in the EPL, I feel right at home watching all the missed chances.
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Half-time
Richmond 3.1 3.6-24
Geelong 4.1 7.3-45
Goals: Riewoldt, Vickery, I.Maric
Pathetic!
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Jack looks like he does not give a stuff.
Miller is just crap.
Jacko shocking.
One of the more heart breaking rfc quarters for some time
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That was absolutely pathetic.
It is the Gold Coast game all over again, we have a strong breeze so we just kick 60m bombs all quarter with no precision at all!
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newman has turned into a class one jackson/tivendale dipsh!t
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Another thing...
PLAY IN FRONT FFS!!! :banghead
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:rollin
what a frustrating game to watch. So many errors and missed chances. But as a long time Tottenham Hotspurs fan in the EPL, I feel right at home watching all the missed chances.
Riewoldts head is so big at the moment he can't play footy. He's to good even for himself.
Miller is a second string Minor league player that shouldn't be playing in this league.
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Not good.
First quarter was smart footy by us. The 2nd was as if we didn't give a poot. Where is the leadership?
Newman just terrible.
I know I say it often but I just don't understand how Jackson keeps getting games. He would HAVE to be in the 18th-22nd player come selection time. Can't even stick a tackle FFS :banghead
Time to bring a kid in for him and get some games into him
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I ask again where are our crumbers and small forwards?
Nahas has had 1 of his token 4 yearly decent games last week. He obviously thinks he's done enough for this part of the season. No competition for his spot with King ant others injured so he ain't gunna do poot because he doesn't have to.
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Going sideways and handballing all the time with a strong 4 goal breeze :banghead. It's not that hard to play direct down the corridor or advantage side of the ground to even a contest/pack in our forward line with everyone (smalls) knowing there's a contest and being front and square and the side behind the kick pressing up. Put the Cats defence under pressure as they can;t kick long over the press into te breeze. In that quarter our transition play was lazy (mids and half-forwards not working hard enough) and half-backs are going sidewayds. Grimes was the only one who seems to have his brain in gear that quarter.
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Time to bring a kid in for him and get some games into him
Who?
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I ask again where are our crumbers and small forwards?
Nahas has had 1 of his token 4 yearly decent games last week. He obviously thinks he's done enough for this part of the season. No competition for his spot with King ant others injured so he ain't gunna do poot because he doesn't have to.
Not disagreeing with any of that but I'm not a big fan of Kingy either. Just a goer/trier as well. We don't have any A-grade small/mid-size forwards.
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Going sideways and handballing all the time with a strong 4 goal breeze :banghead. It's not that hard to play direct down the corridor or advantage side of the ground to even a contest/pack in our forward line with everyone (smalls) knowing there's a contest and being front and square and the side behind the kick pressing up. Put the Cats defence under pressure as they can;t kick long over the press into te breeze. In that quarter our transition play was lazy (mids and half-forwards not working hard enough) and half-backs are going sidewayds. Grimes was the only one who seems to have his brain in gear that quarter.
I agree MT.
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Time to bring a kid in for him and get some games into him
Who?
White webberly..aarnot
Dont think any would.give less output than jacko
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Put lids as a third fwd and put Miller loose at CHB. Move Batch into the centre.
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Possies:
Grigg 17
Lids 15
Newy 15
Batch 13
I.Maric 13
Foley 12
Martin 12
Conca 11
Cotch 11
Tuck 11
Rance 9
Ellis 8
Grimes 8
Nahas 8
Houli 7
A.Maric 5
Morris 5
Riewoldt 5
Vickery 5
Jacko 3
Miller 3
White 0 (sub not used yet)
Total: 196 - 200
Marks 28 - 58 .... says it all
Tackles 48 - 43
Frees 11 - 7
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It looks to me as though we did the hard work in the 1st Qtr and just expected it to happen in the 2nd qtr. Too many passengers in that Qtr and their leaders stepped up the intensity. I see a blow out in the 3rd Qtr.
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Lawl 3 possies Jacko...bet he has had stuff all tackles too.
There's your 'leader' at Tigerland, teaching the kids by example. :-[
Anyone who thinks he would add more value than say an Arnot should be shot.
GET OFF YOU EFFING IMPOSTER :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Put lids as a third fwd and put Miller loose at CHB. Move Batch into the centre.
Miller is too slow tonplay backline :(
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Third quarter will tell if we've improved.
If it's the same old geelong will blow the scoreboard well and truly open with the breeze; if we've improved we'll lift our workrate and repeat the first quarter to stay in the game.
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Put lids as a third fwd and put Miller loose at CHB. Move Batch into the centre.
Miller is too slow tonplay backline :(
Get him cutting up oranges then. Jackson can help him, although, he'd no doubt miss tackle the fruit bowl
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Put lids as a third fwd and put Miller loose at CHB. Move Batch into the centre.
Miller is too slow tonplay backline :(
Sadly we don't have two subs- take Miller and Jacko both off.
Good work by Cotch and Dusty Jack marks on a tough angle. Goes across the face for a Geelong mark (another non-contest in our forward line ::) )
LOL Jacko
Vickery hurts his right arm. A singer.
Grigg long. Off hands for a point.
Rich 25
Geel 45
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Nahas outside 50m hits up Conca just inside 50m. Holds up a few metres out. Rushed point.
Rich 26
Geel 45
8 points straight ::)
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Houli to Lids stabs to Miller 60m out. Miller handball misses Lids ::).
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Newy finally kicks it long to a cotnest. Nahas nice goal low into the breeze :gotigers
Rich 32
Geel 45
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Thank god Grimes is playing today. The only tiger that knows how to hit a Tiger ahead of them.
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We break out from defence and Grigg has 3 boucnes and from 20m goals :gotigers
Rich 38
Geel 45
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Just kick it FFS! Overpossesing with handball :banghead
Cats rebound from HB. Hawkins long poster.
Rich 38
Geel 46
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It's like an old videotape being stuck on the same play with our half-forwards allowing Geelong the easy rebound. Goal to them.
Rich 38
Geel 52
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White subbed on.
A.Maric subbed off. Jacko survives again ::)
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Tuck long inside 50m and Miller gets a free 30m out 45 degrees. Misses again :banghead
Rich 39
Geel 52
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Batch down after colliding with Bartel. Hopefully he is just winded.
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50m to Foley - up to forward of centre. Should have been a free to Jack but no go ::).
Jacko inside 50. Ellis snap is a point.
Rich 40
Geel 52
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Tim Lane saying goals now are kickable at either end.
Geez is we could just hit our targets we could have had a goal then.
That should have been deliberate against Geelong. Long kick straight to the boundary.
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Should have been a free to Ellis but it's a throw-in. Cats get a goal after Batch fell over against Chapman.
Rich 40
Geel 58
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They are the moments we've got to learn to hold-up and win as we mature as a side.
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White hands to Grigg but mises Jack. Poor hands to TV. Vickery to Nahas who gets a free. Geez we are dumb :scream.
Goal though to Robbie :gotigers
Rich 46
Geel 58
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No short dicky passes Bachar.
Houli goes long this time. Miller almost a mark. Nahas to jacko and goals :gotigers
He finally did something good ;D
Rich 52
Geel 58
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Miracle
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Centre clearance by Foley. Long and deep but Lonergan outmarks Jack. Needed to do better there Jack.
Cats get a goal on the rebound :scream
Rich 52
Geel 64
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Jack hopeless
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Siren
3/4 time
Richmond 3.1 3.6 7.10-52
Geelong 4.1 7.3 10.4-64
Goals: Nahas 2, Riewoldt, Vickey, I.Maric, Grigg, Jackson
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Jack hopeless
Yep as hopehell as pods ? Hawkins !! Similar stats Jacjstart
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Possies:
Grigg 25
Lids 23
Tuck 23
Cotch 20
Foley 20
Martin 19
Newy 19
Batch 18
Houli 16
Conca 15
Ellis 15
I.Maric 15
Nahas 15
Rance 14
grimes 12
Morris 9
jack 9
Jacko 7
A.maric 7 (subbed off 3rd qtr)
Miller 7
Vickery 6
White 2 (subbed on 3rd qtr)
Total: 316 - 277
Marks; 58 - 76
Tackles: 62 - 62
Hitouts: 33 -32
frees 13 - 9
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Amazing what happens when you lift your workrate as a team. Cotch, Dusty, Foley, Ivan and Nahas all lifted that quarter.
A very winnable game. More scoring shots shows that.
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C'mon Tigers. Let's not have a repeat of the 2nd qtr. Learn from it and use the ball better and more direct.
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Good tackle Lids. Watched the hips of his Geelong opponent.
Jacko now to HF. Cotch marks. Dusty marks in the pocket but he has a brainfade :P and Geelong clears.
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Nice throw Stevie J but then we get caught hold the ball. Thanfkully Stevie J misses everything.
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Just keep it simple Dusty.
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Bomb by us. Free to Whitey just outside 50m. Goal :gotigers
Rich 58
Geel 64
6 mins Q4
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Lids long towards Cotch inside 50 but he's got two Cats on him. Geelogn clear.
C'mon ump! Free to Stevie J but again too far out.
Stop the dicky little handballs. KISS Richmond.
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Foley from 55m :gotigers
Rich 64
Geel 64
C'mon Tiges!
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Shocking 3 decisions by the umpires there, but we got 1 back with free not paid for crushing Christensen
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Bloody hell. How is that holding the ball? :banghead
Point to Cats.
Rich 64
Geel 65
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Jacko OOTF ::)
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Jacko shocking.
Twice
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Free to Geelong again (Selwood high) ::)
Conca clears though.
Lids to Vickery back to Dusty to Foley from 60m towards Jack but it's over the top and Geelong clears. Argh!
Point to Cats.
Rich 64
Geel 66
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Can't afford dumb turnovers Tigers.
Crumbing goal to Geelong :scream.
Rich 64
Geel 72
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Conca's error there. Should have gone long.
Cotch centre clearance. Throw-in in the pocket. Corey OOTF. free to Vickery on 50m. Inside to Lids. touched by the point post.
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Ball-up 30m out. Touched for a point.
Rich 65
Geel 72
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There's the difference. Bartel 4 efforts in row and geelong wins the ball. C;mon Tigesa lift.
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Bloody hell Tiges. We coukd have cleared on the open rebound then but cough it up.
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Point to Cats.
Rich 65
Geel 73
24 mins Q4
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Away again but Conca handball is intercetpred. Just making those crucial errors.
Point to Geelong.
Rich 65
Geel 74
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Hawkins intercepts the kick-in :banghead. Thankfully West drops the mark.
We need a goal in the next 2 minutes but it's at the wrong end of the ground.
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We're gone. Just can't clear and turning it over missing targets by hand and foot.
Point to geelong but under am inute life.
Rich 65
Geel 75
17 intercepts by Geelong.
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Finally get it forward for a throw-in but Geelong clear and that's the siren.
One that got away thanks to the shocking 2nd quarter.
Final Score
Richmond 3.1 3.6 7.10 9.11-65
Geelong 4.1 7.3 10.4 11.9-75
Goals: Nahas 2, Riewoldt, Vickery, I.Maric, Grigg, Foley, Jackson, White
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That was one that got away. A lack of polish and too many out of form.
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Good effort by the boys but just three things we lack when it really counts, skills, skills and skills :banghead
To execute under pressure and make the right decisions will need to improve to match it with the better teams.
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Jacko shocking.
Twice
I've had it with this imposter. It's an absolute joke :banghead
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Malthouse blaming the following:
Miller - got to nail those goals. Cost Richmond two goals.
Morris - when he kicked it the ball went 60m. Too often wants to handball and coughs it up. Cost another two goals.
Conca - needs to back himself. Cost two goals as well with turnovers.
Riewoldt - never presented forward of the ball.
As a collective can't rely on Cotch, Martin, Foley, Batch was good today and Rance contested well. Needs a full team effort.
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Our run and carry worked pretty well til exhaustion set in in the last 10 minutes. You're right, MT, that second quarter bombs-away rubbish cost us dearly.
Now to just get Jack and TV leading to the ball rather than getting jumped all over ....
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Sick to death with Riewoldt continually playing from behind ..refuses to lead up.enough is enough
Riewoldt cost as the game today
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Sick to death with Riewoldt continually playing from behind ..refuses to lead up.enough is enough
Riewoldt cost as the game today
Yeah reiwoldt lost us the game. Miller and jackson keeping us in it. ::)
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Conca was good today but unfortunately is good is offset by skill errors, and generally where he is making those errors is costing us goals. Still cant quite follow that with 2 minutes to go and needing a goal we are chipping the ball around. I think there becomes a time when you just have to roll the dice and go long.
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Sick to death with Riewoldt continually playing from behind ..refuses to lead up.enough is enough
Riewoldt cost as the game today
Yeah reiwoldt lost us the game. Miller and jackson keeping us in it. ::)
Well all we needed was a mark or two inside 50 .thats not too much to ask
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2 quarter cost us the game. Wasted opportunity
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Our run and carry worked pretty well til exhaustion set in in the last 10 minutes.
Stats show that...
Geelong won the last 10 minutes
Clearances: 4 - 12
Contested possies: 36 - 44 ........ first time all day that we lost the contested footy.
Inside 50s: 5 - 12
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Forget about the stats.when the game was there to be won no one had the ability to win the game..no one inside F 50 stood up.pretty simple
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I eat my words- we were competitive for the majority of the game.
When it counted we kicked ourselves outta the game again in the 2nd quarter
That's 3 games this year we it was up for the taking and we weren't able to get it, vs last year collingwood and geelong smashed us and our first game with carlton we did the same.
I get the sense we are a much better team than last year, but our foward line is below average atm and our entries into the foward line are lacking.
So for all the hard work and effort we may end up next week 1 from 5 and that's the same result as last year so really I ask where are we at??
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Cats were too strong in the last five minutes. They won many of the contests by sheer strength
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Forget about the stats.when the game was there to be won no one had the ability to win the game..no one inside F 50 stood up.pretty simple
This, we need our 4 or 5 and then again the whole team to take
it by the balls when we Re in these situations and no one would ?
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I can tolerate, given where our list is at, us dropping away a touch in the last 10 minutes due to fatigue against the more seasoned reigning premierships. However that second quarter was unacceptable and as Muscles and eliminator said it cost us the game in the end. It's those lapses above the shoulders and in workrate that we need to eliminate from our game before we can become a finals/top side.
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When you think about it the Tigers have been competitive this year pretty much without a functioning forward line. If only it would click into gear then we might string a few wins together.
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Sick to death with Riewoldt continually playing from behind ..refuses to lead up.enough is enough
Riewoldt cost as the game today
Not just today Jack. Why is he not leading to the footy? Same with Vickery. Jack seems to want to play from behind and look for a cheap possie over the back, or fly for the speccy. Needs to lead, and lead very hard IMO.
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We lost this game. It was their for the taking. In the end we weren't good enough. I think Geelongs era is over as well. There shield of invincibility is over. IMHO. Anyway from me -
Newman - 2/10 very poor.
Rance - 7/10 at least we finally found a key back infact we found 2 coz Grimes can play as well.
Grimes - 7/10 see Rance.
Morris - 5/10 fantastic runner, fantastic competitor.
Batchelor - 7/10 very good today I thought.
Houli - 4/10 disappointing from my perspective today. Expect more.
Deledio - 7/10 was very good IMHO.
Martin - 5/10 an improvement on the past weeks. Still has plenty left to give.
Jackson - 4/10. Kicked a fluke goal on the run. That was all for the day.
Conca - 4/10 Wants to impact and does, but today he made too many mistakes to get higher marks
Vickery - 2/10 Kicked a goal, where was he the rest of the time?
A.Maric - 3/10 Needed to be more involved than he was today.
Nahas - 4/10 Speedy, flashy the odd goal and thats just about it for todays game.
Riewoldt - 2/10 Looks like he just thinks its gonna happen. Its not and it reflects in his season so far.
Miller - 4/10 Didnt do much today, hes been better this season. Today average indeed.
I.Maric - 7/10 fantastic acquisition and he did his job today really well. The mulletts goin good.
Cothin - 5/10 when the game needed to be won it was geelongs leaders who did it. Cotch lucky to get 5
Tuck - 6/10 good trier all day in the battle zones. good effort today.
Foley - 6/10 I thought he was good today. Tried to impact and did on occassions.
Grigg - 7/10 Played a good game today IMHO. Well done to him
Ellis - 6/10 This guy is coming on well now. I thought he improved again today.
White - NA Only came on as sub and kicked a goal but wasnt on long enough for a score.
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Winners win and losers lose. We are still losers. Until we purge the club of loser mentality and loser players it won't change.
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Winners win and losers lose. We are still losers. Until we purge the club of loser mentality and loser players it won't change.
See - Miller!
Others to blame, but while he is still there nowhere we go.....
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Forget about the stats.when the game was there to be won no one had the ability to win the game..no one inside F 50 stood up.pretty simple
I thought Miller was there to show leadership. Very poor. Couldve helped jack better atleast twice in that final quarter to put his body in the way but failed.
Agree Jack is lazy but has more talent in his pinky toe than Miller has had in his whole career.
Miller didn't do all the things he's been doing good in the first few weeks of the season.
Put Griffiths in and teach him now!!! Miller is a waste of time and space.
Vickery needs his old man to take him in the ring and smash some sense into him.
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Spewing we didn't take our chances when they were there. Stoked about our back line. Would love a quality 3rd tall or a swing man in the mix, but our back line is really coming along. Rance is in AA form, Grimes is going to be a champ, Ellis is showing massive improvement and more confident with each game, and Morris is giving much needed grunt.
We still most and don't get any points, and not going to make excuses, but we've only had 3 very competitive losses against sides that most of the competition will lose against anyway. 12 wins from 18 games is going to be hard going but if we deserve it the team will make it.
Bring on Eagles and round 5
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It doesn't look like jack can run. He has little acceleration and doesn't seem to be very strong through the hips. Lack of a pre season? Legacy of the hip ops? Something ain't right with him
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We lost this game. It was their for the taking. In the end we weren't good enough. I think Geelongs era is over as well. There shield of invincibility is over. IMHO. Anyway from me -
Newman - 2/10 very poor.
Rance - 7/10 at least we finally found a key back infact we found 2 coz Grimes can play as well.
Grimes - 7/10 see Rance.
Morris - 5/10 fantastic runner, fantastic competitor.
Batchelor - 7/10 very good today I thought.
Houli - 4/10 disappointing from my perspective today. Expect more.
Deledio - 7/10 was very good IMHO.
Martin - 5/10 an improvement on the past weeks. Still has plenty left to give.
Jackson - 4/10. Kicked a fluke goal on the run. That was all for the day.
Conca - 4/10 Wants to impact and does, but today he made too many mistakes to get higher marks
Vickery - 2/10 Kicked a goal, where was he the rest of the time?
A.Maric - 3/10 Needed to be more involved than he was today.
Nahas - 4/10 Speedy, flashy the odd goal and thats just about it for todays game.
Riewoldt - 2/10 Looks like he just thinks its gonna happen. Its not and it reflects in his season so far.
Miller - 4/10 Didnt do much today, hes been better this season. Today average indeed.
I.Maric - 7/10 fantastic acquisition and he did his job today really well. The mulletts goin good.
Cothin - 5/10 when the game needed to be won it was geelongs leaders who did it. Cotch lucky to get 5
Tuck - 6/10 good trier all day in the battle zones. good effort today.
Foley - 6/10 I thought he was good today. Tried to impact and did on occassions.
Grigg - 7/10 Played a good game today IMHO. Well done to him
Ellis - 6/10 This guy is coming on well now. I thought he improved again today.
White - NA Only came on as sub and kicked a goal but wasnt on long enough for a score.
pretty good assessment flags but I think your a bit hard on Cotchin today. He's a champ and tried his ass off without any help or protection whatsoever. 7/10
Grigg was excellent. Best outside player we've had for ages. Presents and finds alot of space. 8/10.
Ellis 4/10 for mine but he's young and he'll improve.
Morris I would give 6/10. He looks like he doesn't want to be beaten at any contest.
The rest pretty spot on.
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It doesn't look like jack can run. He has little acceleration and doesn't seem to be very strong through the hips. Lack of a pre season? Legacy of the hip ops? Something ain't right with him
maybe he's just very very lazy Or his heads to big.
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It doesn't look like jack can run. He has little acceleration and doesn't seem to be very strong through the hips. Lack of a pre season? Legacy of the hip ops? Something ain't right with him
Jack went off the ground in the first half of the Collingwood game from memory. He hasn't moved around like his usual self since. Mind you that still doesn't excuse from not playing in front. Both sides key forwards really struggled today.
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We lost this game. It was their for the taking. In the end we weren't good enough. I think Geelongs era is over as well. There shield of invincibility is over. IMHO. Anyway from me -
Newman - 2/10 very poor.
Rance - 7/10 at least we finally found a key back infact we found 2 coz Grimes can play as well.
Grimes - 7/10 see Rance.
Morris - 5/10 fantastic runner, fantastic competitor.
Batchelor - 7/10 very good today I thought.
Houli - 4/10 disappointing from my perspective today. Expect more.
Deledio - 7/10 was very good IMHO.
Martin - 5/10 an improvement on the past weeks. Still has plenty left to give.
Jackson - 4/10. Kicked a fluke goal on the run. That was all for the day.
Conca - 4/10 Wants to impact and does, but today he made too many mistakes to get higher marks
Vickery - 2/10 Kicked a goal, where was he the rest of the time?
A.Maric - 3/10 Needed to be more involved than he was today.
Nahas - 4/10 Speedy, flashy the odd goal and thats just about it for todays game.
Riewoldt - 2/10 Looks like he just thinks its gonna happen. Its not and it reflects in his season so far.
Miller - 4/10 Didnt do much today, hes been better this season. Today average indeed.
I.Maric - 7/10 fantastic acquisition and he did his job today really well. The mulletts goin good.
Cothin - 5/10 when the game needed to be won it was geelongs leaders who did it. Cotch lucky to get 5
Tuck - 6/10 good trier all day in the battle zones. good effort today.
Foley - 6/10 I thought he was good today. Tried to impact and did on occassions.
Grigg - 7/10 Played a good game today IMHO. Well done to him
Ellis - 6/10 This guy is coming on well now. I thought he improved again today.
White - NA Only came on as sub and kicked a goal but wasnt on long enough for a score.
Think you are a bit harsh on Cotchin, the amount of times that wacko Taylor Hunt scragged and cannoned into him illegally all day was poor. 9 tackles and 20 possies 19 contested, think he worked his butt off. Unfortunately didn't have an impact though.
Riewoldt needs a game in the 2s to learn to dominate a forward line again. Needs to crash packs and start leading hard instead of trying to win 1on1s. Correct me if I'm wrong, inhis coleman year, how many shots at goal did he have from 1on1 marks? From memory most of his marks were taken in packs which he lead to, or taken on the lead.
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Obviously disappointed with the loss when the game was there to be won.
Cats, at home, unveiled there flag, and came off a bad loss to North and the fact we have gone 22 years since our last win down there - I would have taken a 10 point loss at the start of the game.
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I am harsh on Cotchin because he is our best player. Thats all. He was ok today and he was up against it numbers wise but I was just hoping he could lift us in that last little period of the game.
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I am harsh on Cotchin because he is our best player. Thats all. He was ok today and he was up against it numbers wise but I was just hoping he could lift us in that last little period of the game.
Yeah and probably fair enough.
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going into any game with players who constantly get flogged weekly, well l expected no more
Joel Corey saved their asses constantly. We were beaten by the more experienced players on the day, who worked that extra hard in the last 10 minutes of the game.
the game was lost by the players everyone has wanted out for the last few weeks.
we had the wind in that last & we should have won that game but for a few stupid decision makers. :banghead
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going into any game with players who constantly get flogged weekly, well l expected no more
Joel Corey saved their asses constantly. We were beaten by the more experienced players on the day, who worked that extra hard in the last 10 minutes of the game.
the game was lost by the players everyone has wanted out for the last few weeks.
we had the wind in that last & we should have won that game but for a few stupid decision makers. :banghead
:banghead say no more
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Oh well, just got the result now, any injuries??
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I am still trying to get my head around having to queue for 30 minutes to get in because the had a power blackout and then as we walked to our seats there were people just walking in because partof the temp fencing had been taken down and not one "event staff" was on hand to check tickets
Bad enough the the mess they with the ticket allocation but serious in its current state that ground is not up to AFL standard
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The Club should be making the most of the mess WP and use it to complain to the AFL about us never playing down there again. It was stupid by the AFL to fixture an away club with a membership approaching 50k to play at half a construction site where the capacity is limited to only 20k and only a few 100 can get in.
Oh well, just got the result now, any injuries??
Vickery with his shoulder appears to be the only one WAT.
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