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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Tigeritis™©® on April 25, 2012, 05:32:53 PM
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Watching the Anzac day clash today seeing the benifit of collingwood having the big Cloke up forward really highlights the importance of a power forward in the modern game.
Miller isn't the answer.
Bring in the Griff and teach him in the big league. If he can't do it then get rid of him and get someone else. No use waiting or him wasting time at Coburg when it may take him longer to develop there.
He already played a few games and those games we won we he was up front crashing packs and providing a target as a lead up CHF.
Cloke wasn't always as good as he is now. Took him a little while to get going but he's now the best power forward in the league. I didn't see collingwood waste time with him in the second tier competition.
Miller and Richmond is robbing Griffith of better development in the league that counts.
I say put Griffiths in the senior team NOW. Miller can spend the rest of his career at coburg using his strengths helping the other youngsters learn the game from a development point of view. The way it is at the minute is wasting time and is pointless to where we are as a team.
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Start with a straight swap TV for Griff this week and see what happens.
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They might just do this and bring in griff,but in my opinion it would be nuts to do so,the guy has played slightly more games than Kelvin moore has the past few years,he needs time in the magoos purely to gain match fitness and a semblance of form..how about they give Vicks and jack a kick up the backside and get them to play to the standard we know they can play,and let griff quietly go about getting match fitness .
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True there should be no gifts, but Ty and Jack are getting a birthday every week atm
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Indeed they are CUB.....i couldnt agree more
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Was Adam Maric recruited as a power forward?
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Indeed we do. Griff in (high CHF) Miller out. Riewoldt leading hard out of square with Vicks nominally in the pocket but actually our stay at home ff - changing with Maric. Nahas, Maric and Whitey make up the rest. Jacko - to oblivion.
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No great fan of Miller but he would be right to be peeved if he went out before Ty or Jack for that matter.
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No great fan of Miller but he would be right to be peeved if he went out before Ty or Jack for that matter.
I agree CUB, but he is playing on the third defender ATM, we need to engineer a scenario whereby Jack or Vicks is in the same position. Hard I know but a fast moving goliath like Griff might be the catalyst. The forward set-up as it now stands is just not working.
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Crap.. we need power backmen!!
We need our current forward line to stand up and do what they are paid to do, lead, mark, take contested marks, apply forward pressure and play the way they are supposed to play oh and the little thing....kick goals. Griff was recruited as a forward but has been injured and is coming back, albeit through the backline.
We also have old mate developing in the twos but he has just hurt his ankle.
Riewoldt was a Coleman medalist two years ago ffs....he needs that form again.
Our backline has no depth and we don't have utilities that can also kick goals, get that right and it may also give our current forwards a bit more support.
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They might just do this and bring in griff,but in my opinion it would be nuts to do so,the guy has played slightly more games than Kelvin moore has the past few years,he needs time in the magoos purely to gain match fitness and a semblance of form..how about they give Vicks and jack a kick up the backside and get them to play to the standard we know they can play,and let griff quietly go about getting match fitness .
so just say by your logic he's ready to play next year and we find out he's not up to it. We've then wasted 2 years instead of one. The problem with this is in 2 years the rest of the team should be ready to play regular finals pushing for top four.
Play him now and he might suprise us all or we might know for sure he's not up to it. So we target a power forward in the draft at years end.
Butcher has played nearly every game since drafted so did Cloke. Many examples of this but we continue to hamper his development in a substandard competition. If he's that far away from being any good why are we wasting our time?
The time is now because it's not essential we play finals this year. But in the next few years should be our time. By the way it's heading, the team will be ready but he will be behind in development. Let's find out what the kids got. Give him 10 games straight then assess after that.
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Agree do a KB / Benny Gale ,throw him in & learn in the ones
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griffiths aint no power forard and hasn't crashed packs. lmfao
most of the work he did when he played was sacrificial.
as for miller being peeved if he is dropped :nope
when it happens he will take it on the chin. he understands what his role is and is the consummate club man. we just need a youngster to stand up and demand his spot with performances. until then miller keeps his spot.
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surely a guy who has played as little football as griff has since hes been recruited needs time on the field to just get match fitness and find his feet and in his case keep his feet.In my opinion he will do this best playing for coburg.But hey i'm no selector so who know maybe the powers that be will so decide otherwise
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Start with a straight swap TV for Griff this week and see what happens.
Thoroughly agree :thumbsup
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Hasn't Griff been playing as a KPD at Coburg?
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yep
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griffiths aint no power forard and hasn't crashed packs. lmfao
most of the work he did when he played was sacrificial.
as for miller being peeved if he is dropped :nope
when it happens he will take it on the chin. he understands what his role is and is the consummate club man. we just need a youngster to stand up and demand his spot with performances. until then miller keeps his spot.
nick reiwoldt, kosi never spent this long in the two if at all.
Roughhead & buddy thrown into seniors even when they weren't ready.
All of them have something in common.......all are first round picks.
We have picked up a big bodied forward let's see him play.
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On reading tje thread title i assumed we were targeting John Butcher or Jimmy Macelroy from blades of glory
"I'm not skating to anything with references to lady humps. I don't even know what that means."
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Butcher has played nearly every game since drafted
LOL.
Don't let the truth get in the way of a fantastic story.
Games year 1 = 0
Games year 2 = 4
Games so far this year = 2
Yep, Butcher has been very consistent in getting on the park.
Griff on the other hand has played 9 games and therefore more than Butcher.
LOL
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Agree that we need to bring in Griff soon but our forwards really need to do some gut running. Miller or Griff need to expose the third backman and draw attention and whilst that attention is being drawn Vickery and Jack need to make the most of it.
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I also agree with WA. Need a power backman to help Rance and Grimes. I hope Astbury is that person
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Butcher has played nearly every game since drafted
LOL.
Don't let the truth get in the way of a fantastic story.
Games year 1 = 0
Games year 2 = 4
Games so far this year = 2
Yep, Butcher has been very consistent in getting on the park.
Griff on the other hand has played 9 games and therefore more than Butcher.
LOL
sorry about that. I didn't actually realise I wrote butcher until you highlighted it. I meant to write Darling but wrote butcher instead. Thanks for letting me know.
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Don't need a power forward we just need a forward so Miller is out of the team eventually
Power forward ooh yeah like the Cats did when they won their flags
Don't need we need a forward who can actually run and make a contest
Gee PAV would've been perfect
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Just steal Cloke. Easier than developing one. ;D
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griffiths aint no power forard and hasn't crashed packs. lmfao
most of the work he did when he played was sacrificial.
as for miller being peeved if he is dropped :nope
when it happens he will take it on the chin. he understands what his role is and is the consummate club man. we just need a youngster to stand up and demand his spot with performances. until then miller keeps his spot.
nick reiwoldt, kosi never spent this long in the two if at all.
Roughhead & buddy thrown into seniors even when they weren't ready.
All of them have something in common.......all are first round picks.
We have picked up a big bodied forward let's see him play.
yeah, good comparisons;
nicks first 9 games- 63 kicks 41 marks 14 H/B 89 disp 3 goals
kosi - 61 kicks 31 marks 42 H/B 101 disp ) 0 goals (incl 1 game with no touches so probably went off early injured)
roughhead - 35 kicks 23 marks 29 H/B 64 disp 6 goals
buddy - 62 kicks 28 marks 30 H/B 92 disp 8 goals
ben -23 kicks 16 marks 22 H/B 45 disp 4 goals
as you say the four you mention are first round draft picks, but more importantly early first round draft picks, where as Griffiths was a second round draft pick :wallywink, one with paper mache shoulders and who was shown very little at any level since being drafted.
but as we already know, you would have played him when injured over miller, such is you hatred of brad. For the life of me I cant see how that would have benefited the team in the long term, but then again you don't seem to put any credence into such things
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Griffiths has been playing back. Elton has been playing forward. Unless things shift dramatically Griffiths is being set up to play as a tall defender not a CHF. We are more likely to see Elton playing in the F50 in the future than Griffiths at the moment and neither of them has the size or capabilities at present to earn that right.
If we were desperate to fill a forward roll and think someone such as Derickx would fit the bill better than Griffiths at their present stage of development (and size in particular).
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Doesn't necessarily mean Griffiths is being groomed as a back, Dimma does this to instill/teach them the defensive side of the game? So anything could happen really!
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Griffiths has been playing back. Elton has been playing forward. Unless things shift dramatically Griffiths is being set up to play as a tall defender not a CHF. We are more likely to see Elton playing in the F50 in the future than Griffiths at the moment and neither of them has the size or capabilities at present to earn that right.
If we were desperate to fill a forward roll and think someone such as Derickx would fit the bill better than Griffiths at their present stage of development (and size in particular).
What do you mean by size in particular? Griff is 198cms and about 100kgs and was when he limped through the door at punt rd.
Fwiw, right now he just needs continuity of games, the bloke has barely played 25 games of footy over the past 3 or 4 seasons, that's shocking.
Elton, can't wait to get a good look at him, my gut feel from the little iv seen of him is he will be a gem. Looks fearless and has a knack of being able to split packs open and create spillages, we don't have a fwd that can do that. As stupid as this sounds this guy I reckon he's ready for a taste, few more weeks then give him a run
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We need a power backman. We need to solidify and improve our talent in the backline. Someone who is the obvious stopper for the Clokes of this world. Rance is one who is improving but we need another. Batchelor is going to be great, so he might be it. I'd like a few more options back there too. Maybe Morris will make it.