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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: crackertiger on April 29, 2012, 08:03:19 PM
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I've been thinking about this for weeks. But the fact that we have to reply on Cotchin and Martin to be our best midfielders and our best small forwards is proof our small forward talent just isn't up to it.
Nahas 3 out of 10
King 4 out off 10
Edwards 2 out of 10
White 2 out off 10
Marric 1 out of 10
None of the above have done anything to assist our structure.
We need to experiment and find another small forward option before the season is over. Otherwise we will run cotchin and Martin into the ground. Yet we have players like Helbig, Dea (known forwards) and other who are playing as defenders. How many small defenders do we need??????????????????????????????????????????????????
Do something about it now Hardwick!
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Ummm are you asking him to recruit a proper small forward right now?
We dont have a decent small forward in the squad atm.
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I've been thinking about this for weeks. But the fact that we have to reply on Cotchin and Martin to be our best midfielders and our best small forwards is proof our small forward talent just isn't up to it.
Nahas 3 out of 10
King 4 out off 10
Edwards 2 out of 10
White 2 out off 10
Marric 1 out of 10
None of the above have done anything to assist our structure.
We need to experiment and find another small forward option before the season is over. Otherwise we will run cotchin and Martin into the ground. Yet we have players like Helbig, Dea (known forwards) and other who are playing as defenders. How many small defenders do we need??????????????????????????????????????????????????
Do something about it now Hardwick!
Yeah do something draft a small fwd in this weeks draft.... ::)
And for the record:-
Nahas 1 out of 10
King 4 out off 10
Edwards 5 out of 10
White 0 out off 10
Marric 4 out of 10
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Better still instead of hardwick drafting a small forward this week why don't one of the ones we have step up and kick some goals
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Better still instead of hardwick drafting a small forward this week why don't one of the ones we have step up and kick some goals
Because they are poot
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We should probably try and draft Ben Kennedy from Glenelg. He is supposed to be a very good footballer who can also take a turn in the middle.
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Need to try ohallaon or turner.
Helbig would be perfect.
I would even try aarnot as defensive fwd
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Try Helbig when he is back from injury. We need someone like Yarran or Davey from Essendon up in the forward line. They have class and are good tacklers.
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I've been thinking about this for weeks. But the fact that we have to reply on Cotchin and Martin to be our best midfielders and our best small forwards is proof our small forward talent just isn't up to it.
Nahas 3 out of 10
King 4 out off 10
Edwards 2 out of 10
White 2 out off 10
Marric 1 out of 10
None of the above have done anything to assist our structure.
We need to experiment and find another small forward option before the season is over. Otherwise we will run cotchin and Martin into the ground. Yet we have players like Helbig, Dea (known forwards) and other who are playing as defenders. How many small defenders do we need??????????????????????????????????????????????????
Do something about it now Hardwick!
Yeah do something draft a small fwd in this weeks draft.... ::)
And for the record:-
Nahas 1 out of 10
King 4 out off 10
Edwards 5 out of 10
White 0 out off 10
Marric 4 out of 10
I've been thinking about this for weeks. But the fact that we have to reply on Cotchin and Martin to be our best midfielders and our best small forwards is proof our small forward talent just isn't up to it.
Nahas 3 out of 10
King 4 out off 10
Edwards 2 out of 10
White 2 out off 10
Marric 1 out of 10
None of the above have done anything to assist our structure.
We need to experiment and find another small forward option before the season is over. Otherwise we will run cotchin and Martin into the ground. Yet we have players like Helbig, Dea (known forwards) and other who are playing as defenders. How many small defenders do we need??????????????????????????????????????????????????
Do something about it now Hardwick!
Given the fact we recruited Maric and Ohaloran means Hardwick n co know that White is not good, King is getting past it, Nahas was in overdrive last year (and this year hasn't kept up that speed) and edwards has so so disposal. They must have also known Maric was probably average too.
Any one of those players could go into overdrive and have a good year this year, but their fundamental talent level says they wont ever be great players.
Also between King and Nahas we have had 3 years of average AFL standard small forward play. It has not been our weakest area so why spend the draft bucks on improving that area. We will eventually, but it has been wise not to fix what wasn't our squeakiest wheel.
I'm sure we'd love a Brett Heady (showing my age there) or Stephen Milne but to spend high draft picks on a small forward would be insanity. Don't people remember Aaron Fiora?
As to playing OHaloran, that seems a bit silly if he doesn't earn it over King, Nahas or white.
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Many of the best small forwards have come from state leagues. We need to keep our eyes peeled.
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Thread title should read"Annoying Small Forwards"
When the opposition hate them, they're normally good
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Nahas has not been rubbish! He had a filthy one against West Coast. He had some blinders earlier though dunno why you are all crapping on him, last week no one could get hold of him. This week he was worn like a glove, probably because they saw how he played the week prior.
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Nahas has not been rubbish! He had a filthy one against West Coast. He had some blinders earlier though dunno why you are all crapping on him, last week no one could get hold of him. This week he was worn like a glove, probably because they saw how he played the week prior.
Reported :police: making sence and speaking truths on this forum will see you permently banned, please tone it down a little :shh
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Many of the best small forwards have come from state leagues. We need to keep our eyes peeled.
Agree with this. perfect type to utilise the rookie list for. Hopefully Turner offers us something.
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Need to go shopping for some classy small forwards over summer.
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Turner inj
Helsin wanker
Macdonald kfc
Helbig is so important for us
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Posted by me in the Jake KIng thread, thought more appropriate for this thread :thumbsup
Problem with our small forwards is this
Jake is carrying and inj IMHO and his effect is useless.
Maric may turn out to be March Norm Smith Medallist.
Nahas tries to take too many players on and try and do too much.
Keep it simple and the results will come.
Our little blokes are not playing within their limitations and the fact that Jack is not competing and there is not as much spillage in the forward line means they are starving and when crumbs do fall our way it is not suited to the limitations of these players to do something positive with it.
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Where is our PNG bloke?
Time to give our non irish international rookie a game forward pocket. 8)
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PNG blokes will be here next season I believe
Still underage
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I thought they were playing for Coburg this year?
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I thought they were playing for Coburg this year?
no, too young
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Both nahas and king were in relative easy scoring positions last night and tried low percentage passes instead of kicking for goal.
Here's a revelation, forwards should kick goals. If you are going to pass off what should be breadband butter shots then just eff right of. :banghead, otherwise, whats the point?
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Nahas has not been rubbish! He had a filthy one against West Coast. He had some blinders earlier though dunno why you are all crapping on him, last week no one could get hold of him. This week he was worn like a glove, probably because they saw how he played the week prior.
na been rubbish most games along with king. they are not the answer.
the answer is simple rather than play below standard small forwards pick a genuine mid like arnot to play as a mid and rotate another goalkicking mid thru the forward line.
all of cotchin, conca, deledio, martin ellis and foley can play forward.
its ironic all of our smalls have basic flaws that just should not be tolerated. they epitomise your typical glass half full types.
im adamant we could possibly be 7 and 1 if these glass half fulls the bottom 6 or so didnt drop away so much it kills us.
maric, tuck, grigg, conca, cotchin,deledio grimes morris, foley,batchelor, have been consistently good most games with to a lesser degree houli ellis, and martin.
from there while some have played some good games they have in the main fallen away big time fairly consistently.
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Both nahas and king were in relative easy scoring positions last night and tried low percentage passes instead of kicking for goal.
Here's a revelation, forwards should kick goals. If you are going to pass off what should be breadband butter shots then just eff right of. :banghead, otherwise, whats the point?
Dead right and we don't need anymore small bloody players, we need one to two more tall forwards, then the smalls we have can feed off them. But God, kick the bloody goals they are payed to kick..ffs.
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Nahas has not been rubbish! He had a filthy one against West Coast. He had some blinders earlier though dunno why you are all crapping on him, last week no one could get hold of him. This week he was worn like a glove, probably because they saw how he played the week prior.
na been rubbish most games along with king. they are not the answer.
the answer is simple rather than play below standard small forwards pick a genuine mid like arnot to play as a mid and rotate another goalkicking mid thru the forward line.
all of cotchin, conca, deledio, martin ellis and foley can play forward.
its ironic all of our smalls have basic flaws that just should not be tolerated. they epitomise your typical glass half full types.
im adamant we could possibly be 7 and 1 if these glass half fulls the bottom 6 or so didnt drop away so much it kills us.
maric, tuck, grigg, conca, cotchin,deledio grimes morris, foley,batchelor, have been consistently good most games with to a lesser degree houli ellis, and martin.
from there while some have played some good games they have in the main fallen away big time fairly consistently.
Do you agree that we should get rid of Nahas and King in one go and probably try and draft a Ben Kennedy from Glenelg type. It opens up 1 more spot on the list for someone else. We can do the same with Graham and Browne, we could just draft 1 or trade for 1 - Maric, the Newbie (if he is traded for), Vickery and Derrickx should be enough cover. That would open up 1 more spot. We could fix up 2 areas in our list and bring in say 2 more mids.
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Connors cannot be any worse than king :huh
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Connors cannot be any worse than king :huh
For our small forward situation - I would continue to try and develop Turner, Helbig can also be developed in this role, but I reckon we should go for someone with great skills and football nouse in the draft and thats Ben Kennedy, he is only 174cm and about 74kg but if he can get to say 180 and 80-83kg then he will be fine and he will also be able to take a turn in a midfield rotation. Very good player.
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not sure what Owl's definition of a blinder is.
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im adamant we could possibly be 7 and 1 if these glass half fulls the bottom 6 or so didnt drop away so much it kills us.
:bow :bow i never noticed having better players allowed you to achieve better results. Its a masterstroke :bow
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Connors cannot be any worse than king :huh
For our small forward situation - I would continue to try and develop Turner, Helbig can also be developed in this role, but I reckon we should go for someone with great skills and football nouse in the draft and thats Ben Kennedy, he is only 174cm and about 74kg but if he can get to say 180 and 80-83kg then he will be fine and he will also be able to take a turn in a midfield rotation. Very good player.
Unless kennedy is 16 i cant see him growing another 6 cm ramps.
in saying that i dont follow this mantra about players being too small, they are either good enough or they arn't. sure larger bodied players can overcome skill deficiencies to a certain degree, but there will always be a place in the game for those small highly skilled players that the enemy have trouble getting their hands on.
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Connors cannot be any worse than king :huh
For our small forward situation - I would continue to try and develop Turner, Helbig can also be developed in this role, but I reckon we should go for someone with great skills and football nouse in the draft and thats Ben Kennedy, he is only 174cm and about 74kg but if he can get to say 180 and 80-83kg then he will be fine and he will also be able to take a turn in a midfield rotation. Very good player.
Unless kennedy is 16 i cant see him growing another 6 cm ramps.
in saying that i dont follow this mantra about players being too small, they are either good enough or they arn't. sure larger bodied players can overcome skill deficiencies to a certain degree, but there will always be a place in the game for those small highly skilled players that the enemy have trouble getting their hands on.
Yeah well Nahas was swung around like a rag doll the other night and King wasn't much better when tackled, so there is some mantra for you.
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Connors cannot be any worse than king :huh
For our small forward situation - I would continue to try and develop Turner, Helbig can also be developed in this role, but I reckon we should go for someone with great skills and football nouse in the draft and thats Ben Kennedy, he is only 174cm and about 74kg but if he can get to say 180 and 80-83kg then he will be fine and he will also be able to take a turn in a midfield rotation. Very good player.
Unless kennedy is 16 i cant see him growing another 6 cm ramps.
in saying that i dont follow this mantra about players being too small, they are either good enough or they arn't. sure larger bodied players can overcome skill deficiencies to a certain degree, but there will always be a place in the game for those small highly skilled players that the enemy have trouble getting their hands on.
Agree. Kennedy is same size as Eddie Betts and can play midfield as well. The key to it is that he would be upgrading King or Nahas so it's not like we are adding another midget to our best 22 but instead replacing one.
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Maric must come in this week for King
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Connors cannot be any worse than king :huh
For our small forward situation - I would continue to try and develop Turner, Helbig can also be developed in this role, but I reckon we should go for someone with great skills and football nouse in the draft and thats Ben Kennedy, he is only 174cm and about 74kg but if he can get to say 180 and 80-83kg then he will be fine and he will also be able to take a turn in a midfield rotation. Very good player.
Unless kennedy is 16 i cant see him growing another 6 cm ramps.
in saying that i dont follow this mantra about players being too small, they are either good enough or they arn't. sure larger bodied players can overcome skill deficiencies to a certain degree, but there will always be a place in the game for those small highly skilled players that the enemy have trouble getting their hands on.
Yeah well Nahas was swung around like a rag doll the other night and King wasn't much better when tackled, so there is some mantra for you.
you dont find it frustrating to see players like betts and garlett run around our more solid blokes and make them look silly?
The will get ragdolled if they get caught, but you have to catch them.
As long as they evade the tackler and use the ball more than they get caught, they earn their spot. It comes down to ability, not size.
would you swap jackson for betts?
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Connors cannot be any worse than king :huh
For our small forward situation - I would continue to try and develop Turner, Helbig can also be developed in this role, but I reckon we should go for someone with great skills and football nouse in the draft and thats Ben Kennedy, he is only 174cm and about 74kg but if he can get to say 180 and 80-83kg then he will be fine and he will also be able to take a turn in a midfield rotation. Very good player.
Unless kennedy is 16 i cant see him growing another 6 cm ramps.
in saying that i dont follow this mantra about players being too small, they are either good enough or they arn't. sure larger bodied players can overcome skill deficiencies to a certain degree, but there will always be a place in the game for those small highly skilled players that the enemy have trouble getting their hands on.
Yeah well Nahas was swung around like a rag doll the other night and King wasn't much better when tackled, so there is some mantra for you.
you dont find it frustrating to see players like betts and garlett run around our more solid blokes and make them look silly?
The will get ragdolled if they get caught, but you have to catch them.
As long as they evade the tackler and use the ball more than they get caught, they earn their spot. It comes down to ability, not size.
would you swap jackson for betts?
Betts doesn't always come out on top, he gets caught out a lot because of his size, so it's not just about ability, it's about both. Our small players don't have the ability not to get caught, neither does Betts some times.
No iw wouldn't swap him.
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Nahas has not been rubbish! He had a filthy one against West Coast. He had some blinders earlier though dunno why you are all crapping on him, last week no one could get hold of him. This week he was worn like a glove, probably because they saw how he played the week prior.
With you Owl, Robbie is one of our quicker players, I think he is gr8 and has more heart than Jack at the mo, plus look at his tackling and defensive work
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Nahas has been playing well. Small forwards are opportunists so so weeks the opportunities are there to capitalise on and some there not. It's their tackling, pressure and team work that should be used as a measure and what they do with the chances they are given. Nahas has been good in this area. King, for whatever reason this year, has not. Perhaps he is been given a more defensive role?
Either way our small forwards will perform better when Vickery returns and our tall timber can bring the ball to ground for them to utilize.
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I disagree Stripes. Nahas has been patchy this year and Kingy, who i dont think is 100%, has done nothing. The ball has actually been hitting the ground a lot in our forward line. Think about it. We had more inside 50's than the bummers and its not likely Jack and Miller are taking many marks inside 50. We need more out of all our forwards, including the midget brigade.
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I disagree Stripes. Nahas has been patchy this year and Kingy, who i dont think is 100%, has done nothing. The ball has actually been hitting the ground a lot in our forward line. Think about it. We had more inside 50's than the bummers and its not likely Jack and Miller are taking many marks inside 50. We need more out of all our forwards, including the midget brigade.
Yes King may need a rest.
I agree that the ball was getting into our forward 50 more than enough times on Saturday night but it was not landing in predictable places. By this I mean the defenders were punching it away or controlling the spill so it wouldn't come down front and center. We just weren't kicking it to an even contest were Jack could at the very least get his hands cleanly on the ball. Without Vickery, we became too predictable enabling the Essendon defenders to much control on our forward half. They conjested the F50 and gave us no room to move. Makes it tough for our small crumbers when they never get space.
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It is pretty obvious that when our tall forwards don't perform more pressure is put on our small forwards to perform. Contested marking is not a strength of either King or Nahas. Both are good at applying defensive pressure and are okay as lead up forwards but when your tall forwards are strugging you need a small forward who can provide a marking target. This is why Martin, lids and Cotchin are very good as they can provide a marking option up forward when they play there. I believe we need a small forward who can take a contested grab. Such a player would compliment King and Nahs and would not unbalance our forward line
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Maric must come in this week for King
No because
1/ he was average for Coburg yesterday
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2/ is he still promoted? Seeing Astbury is back and playing he may no longer be elevated
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Average? Had close to 40 touches and got BOG. Was everyone else poohouse then?
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value wp's insight and opinion over coach dimwit any day!!!!
go back and take ur meds!!!
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i think mini maric really lets him down with his lack of chase .i;m no expert but i reckon his opponenst would probably have a field day running off him
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value wp's insight and opinion over coach dimwit any day!!!!
go back and take ur meds!!!
Maric can play but he's no Tambling. Heard a rumour Dimma is going to pick him up in the PSD when the Crows delist him. We've got a role set out for him :shh
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please refer to tambling as pick 20..it softens the blow of losing this champion
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I really don't see why some are so in love with mini maric.
I haven't seen anything to be too excited about. And the fact that he was at the dees for 4 years then got delisted by them after the club couldn't find a trade for him.
I've read by some that "he can play".
Might be the case at vfl level but he's a long way from being any good at afl level.
And i'm sick of these tiny players clogging our list. Just get talented midfielders who can play forward and kick goals when they rotate there. ie Cotchin, Martin etc.
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And i'm sick of these tiny players clogging our list. Just get talented midfielders who can play forward and kick goals when they rotate there. ie Cotchin, Martin etc.
Great idea! I'm actually shocked that we didn't try and pick up Coniglio, Tyson or Wingard this year! WTF were our recruiters thinking????
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Just get talented midfielders who can play forward and kick goals when they rotate there. ie Cotchin, Martin etc.
Ingenious!
:lol
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Just get talented midfielders who can play forward and kick goals when they rotate there. ie Cotchin, Martin etc.
Ingenious!
:lol
I couldnt believe it either Willy! I just can't believe this has never been thought of before! If I was you Tigra, I would paten the idea emmediatly as I believe this is set to revolutionize the AFL world and the way recruiters start going about there business!
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I really don't see why some are so in love with mini maric.
I haven't seen anything to be too excited about. And the fact that he was at the dees for 4 years then got delisted by them after the club couldn't find a trade for him.
I've read by some that "he can play".
Might be the case at vfl level but he's a long way from being any good at afl level.
And i'm sick of these tiny players clogging our list. Just get talented midfielders who can play forward and kick goals when they rotate there. ie Cotchin, Martin etc.
we dont actually have all that many smalls any more. what do we call a small inder 6ft or under 180cm.
lets see 180cm and under.
foley - pretty decent player.
nahas - a limited player whos so one sided its not funny who lacks size and polish.
king - just a battler in every way.
turner - a highly skilled rookie on the very light side.
maric - another rookie with great skills but lacks intensity and a defensive bone in his body.
arnott - a big bodied late pick whos only knock atm is probably motor.
white - another dud who lacks polish vision and skill. but he can run fast lol.
houli - well most love him. me i think him defensively lacking and limited in what roles he can perform.
8 smalls and the reality is only one has been a consistent performer foley. two rookie long shots maric turner. a limited but good skilled one houli. a first yr late pick arnot. and three duds.
our trouble goes deeper though if the criteria to classify players small is under 183 or 6ft. you can then add.
edwards - the typical glass half full.
ellis - a first yr first rnd draft pick who looks okay.
webberley - who looks gone being just average in everything.
that would make 11 and so few of real quality. it would have to be the most underskilled group of talls in the afl as well as the biggest group of glass half fulls.
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So if Houli is so limited are you saying that playing him off the half back stuff to free up Deledio to play midfield/forward isn't working? He plays a roll and he plays it better than anyone else we have on the list at the moment. But hey, with your 19 changes next season we won't have to worrie about it, we will find someone better anyway!
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So if Houli is so limited are you saying that playing him off the half back stuff to free up Deledio to play midfield/forward isn't working? He plays a roll and he plays it better than anyone else we have on the list at the moment. But hey, with your 19 changes next season we won't have to worrie about it, we will find someone better anyway!
:lol
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So if Houli is so limited are you saying that playing him off the half back stuff to free up Deledio to play midfield/forward isn't working? He plays a roll and he plays it better than anyone else we have on the list at the moment. But hey, with your 19 changes next season we won't have to worrie about it, we will find someone better anyway!
lol but if you want to go down the path of putting words into peoples mouth two can certainly play that game.
you want to debate whats actually been said fine. you want to play silly buggers dont cry to the mods when you cop it back.
now did i say we can cut 19 in one go or not. id say your not big enough to admit it anyway.
so you make things up to get a look in. lets see just how much integrity you have.point out where i said we can cut 19 in one yr or have the guts to say your wr wr wr wronnnggg lol.
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You know you're struggling when you have to crack out a insult.
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You know you're struggling when you have to crack out a insult.
:lol
claw, that's terrible :police:
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Was I wrong, really? Did you not Post a list 19 players in a thread titled "who is under the pump" where other people have been posting there lists of who they think should be cut at seasons end?
Oh, yes you did! Did you out line anywhere at what stage you would cut them? No you didn't! So considering the post was based on who is under the pump at seasons end one would only assume your list was of those you want cut at seasons end! If you can't write our post up properly or be bothered to even read what the thread is about before you add you 2 cents worth then don't crook at others for misinterpretating it.......
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:ROTFL
agree with claw
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Was I wrong, really? Did you not Post a list 19 players in a thread titled "who is under the pump" where other people have been posting there lists of who they think should be cut at seasons end?
Oh, yes you did! Did you out line anywhere at what stage you would cut them? No you didn't! So considering the post was based on who is under the pump at seasons end one would only assume your list was of those you want cut at seasons end! If you can't write our post up properly or be bothered to even read what the thread is about before you add you 2 cents worth then don't crook at others for misinterpretating it.......
sheesh what gibberish is that swahili or something.or is it the sound of posts moving.
did i not at the very start of my post all by itself say
in the gun, glass half full or struggling.
i see you get all upset because you dont read to well.
i believe the title of the thread was WHO IS UNDER THE PUMP. that could mean several things so i took it just a bit further.
id suggest if your going to get all hot under the collar and sarcastic you read things just a little more closely.
now back on topic you havent answered of the 18 left who i got wrong. you cared enough to get all sarcastic surely you care enough to actually address the players mentioned and weather they are in the gun, struggling, or a glass hald full.
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Was I wrong, really? Did you not Post a list 19 players in a thread titled "who is under the pump" where other people have been posting there lists of who they think should be cut at seasons end?
Oh, yes you did! Did you out line anywhere at what stage you would cut them? No you didn't! So considering the post was based on who is under the pump at seasons end one would only assume your list was of those you want cut at seasons end! If you can't write our post up properly or be bothered to even read what the thread is about before you add you 2 cents worth then don't crook at others for misinterpretating it.......
sheesh what gibberish is that swahili or something.or is it the sound of posts moving.
did i not at the very start of my post all by itself say
in the gun, glass half full or struggling.
i see you get all upset because you dont read to well.
i believe the title of the thread was WHO IS UNDER THE PUMP. that could mean several things so i took it just a bit further.
id suggest if your going to get all hot under the collar and sarcastic you read things just a little more closely.
now back on topic you havent answered of the 18 left who i got wrong. you cared enough to get all sarcastic surely you care enough to actually address the players mentioned and weather they are in the gun, struggling, or a glass hald full.
No offence, but you're the last person that should be making remarks like this.
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Was I wrong, really? Did you not Post a list 19 players in a thread titled "who is under the pump" where other people have been posting there lists of who they think should be cut at seasons end?
Oh, yes you did! Did you out line anywhere at what stage you would cut them? No you didn't! So considering the post was based on who is under the pump at seasons end one would only assume your list was of those you want cut at seasons end! If you can't write our post up properly or be bothered to even read what the thread is about before you add you 2 cents worth then don't crook at others for misinterpretating it.......
sheesh what gibberish is that swahili or something.or is it the sound of posts moving.
did i not at the very start of my post all by itself say
in the gun, glass half full or struggling.
i see you get all upset because you dont read to well.
i believe the title of the thread was WHO IS UNDER THE PUMP. that could mean several things so i took it just a bit further.
id suggest if your going to get all hot under the collar and sarcastic you read things just a little more closely.
now back on topic you havent answered of the 18 left who i got wrong. you cared enough to get all sarcastic surely you care enough to actually address the players mentioned and weather they are in the gun, struggling, or a glass hald full.
No offence, but you're the last person that should be making remarks like this.
your absolutely right, but i at least respect other peoples posts i reply to by reading them carefully. anyway its all good i believe tas and i have moved on.
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Average? Had close to 40 touches and got BOG. Was everyone else poohouse then?
:outtahere
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Last peice of the puzzle is a small forward capable of kicking bags of 4-6 goals such as a Betts, Milne or the like.
Betts is a free agent and I would be going after him with all we have.
If not we have to target one in the draft.
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pass.. We can play Cotchin / Deledio / Martin / Conca in attack. Due to growing midfield numbers; Tuck. Newman. Knights. Foley. Ellis. Vlastuin. Helbig. Arnot. Shane Edwards is vital.
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Edwards, King, Nahas....that's their job, to a lesser extent Edwards.
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Betts is the opposite player to what we want, soft, always plays for free kicks. Sure he has skills but when he doesnt get the ball he has a sook.
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Edwards, King, Nahas....that's their job, to a lesser extent Edwards.
Edwards :bow
Though looks like Edwards is spending more time in the middle. Kingy as a defensive forward and Nahas at Coburg. As much as I hate him at Carlscum I'd love Eddie if he played at Richmond. Imagine him feasting off the crumbs of Jack, Luke McRicho and Big Ty. :shh :whistle
He can play up through the middle if needed unlike Nahas. Doubt he'd leave but if we got him our forward line looks sensational. :clapping
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And we have Matt McDonough waiting in the wings also.
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Edwards will go forward again if Foley comes up.
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Would rather Garlett than Betts.
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Hopefully Elliot of the Pies continues his form,Keeping Fasolo out.
Fasolo may look for Greener pastures.
Perfect for us.
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Once scum always scum.. They don't like to leave unless they have no choice
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Edwards, King, Nahas....that's their job, to a lesser extent Edwards.
Edwards :bow
Though looks like Edwards is spending more time in the middle. Kingy as a defensive forward and Nahas at Coburg. As much as I hate him at Carlscum I'd love Eddie if he played at Richmond. Imagine him feasting off the crumbs of Jack, Luke McRicho and Big Ty. :shh :whistle
He can play up through the middle if needed unlike Nahas. Doubt he'd leave but if we got him our forward line looks sensational. :clapping
Yes, going along by nicely is our Shane.. :lol
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Edwards, King, Nahas....that's their job, to a lesser extent Edwards.
Edwards :bow
Though looks like Edwards is spending more time in the middle. Kingy as a defensive forward and Nahas at Coburg. As much as I hate him at Carlscum I'd love Eddie if he played at Richmond. Imagine him feasting off the crumbs of Jack, Luke McRicho and Big Ty. :shh :whistle
He can play up through the middle if needed unlike Nahas. Doubt he'd leave but if we got him our forward line looks sensational. :clapping
Yes, going along by nicely is our Shane.. :lol
;D Was exactly 12 months ago at the Pies game I was hating him. Round 2 2012. He was a deadset spud that night. :lol
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There is a very good Rioli in the draft. Would round out our recruiting nicely!
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There is a very good Rioli in the draft. Would round out our recruiting nicely!
Do we have any dibs on him? Who's he playing his footy for?
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There is a very good Rioli in the draft. Would round out our recruiting nicely!
Could fill out like Dean too. ;D
There is a very good Rioli in the draft. Would round out our recruiting nicely!
Do we have any dibs on him? Who's he playing his footy for?
Pretty sure he's at Xavier College in Melbourne. But plays Champs for NT.
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Shane Edwards needs to do more and needs to start kicking goals!
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Shane Edwards needs to do more and needs to start kicking goals!
Very harsh, he's been spending more time in the mid-field generating more inside 50's for us
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Kind of missing my point, none of the players mentioned can kick big bags of goals. Edwards kicked 5 once but not anything like it since.
Agree though we have a few midfield options but I would love for us to have that killer small.
Maybe McDonough will be the one....
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Shane Edwards needs to do more and needs to start kicking goals!
At times he's been starting in the center bounce. Winning clearances too.
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Kind of missing my point, none of the players mentioned can kick big bags of goals. Edwards kicked 5 once but not anything like it since.
Agree though we have a few midfield options but I would love for us to have that killer small.
Maybe McDonough will be the one....
To be honest think the game is heading in a very different direction now. The need for a small forward who kicks 3-4 a week is not as important as having mids who can go forward and rest and snag you a couple of goals eg Cotchin, Martin, Deledio
Rather that set up than a Betts or a Milne who can't really play anywhere else
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Kind of missing my point, none of the players mentioned can kick big bags of goals. Edwards kicked 5 once but not anything like it since.
Agree though we have a few midfield options but I would love for us to have that killer small.
Maybe McDonough will be the one....
To be honest think the game is heading in a very different direction now. The need for a small forward who kicks 3-4 a week is not as important as having mids who can go forward and rest and snag you a couple of goals eg Cotchin, Martin, Deledio
Rather that set up than a Betts or a Milne who can't really play anywhere else
Or both. The game has had a small forward forever, not going to change in a hurry.
We don't need 5 KPPs in the forward line, there is room for both mids and small forwards.
Having said that, no to Eddie Betts.
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Kind of missing my point, none of the players mentioned can kick big bags of goals. Edwards kicked 5 once but not anything like it since.
Agree though we have a few midfield options but I would love for us to have that killer small.
Maybe McDonough will be the one....
if your sml forward averages just two goals a game thats 44 goals for the yr.not many smalls each yr kick 40 plus. imo if you only play sml forward that should be the minimal return. milne betts meet this requirement and even eddie is spending some time as a part of rotations.
edwards played primarily as a sml forward from about rnd 8 - 10 onwards last yr and kicked 29 goals that to me is a very good return.
for blokes like edwards that return needs to be around 25 30 goals for the season with the amount of time hes spending in the midfield. its probably too much time in there atm.thing is as primarily a mid this yr he hasnt found enough ball his possesion rate needs to be a little higher.
two criticisms ive always had with him is his ability to find enough ball as a mid and his kicking. so im a bit reluctant to see him spend significant time in the midfield.
i would prefer edwards spent most of his time forward with limited time in the midfield.
imo the amount of time he spent forward and rotated thru midfield for the last half of last yr was about right. it seemed to be the right balance for him and ir makes him a valuable member of the team. primarily sml forward allows him to play to his strengths and doesnt expose his weaknesses like they are when he plays as a mid.
i say because we all say we need to be better with forward delivery its not one of shanes strong points. 80% forward 20% as a part of rotations please.
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Edwards is at his most dangerous in the forwardline. If possible should be left there the entire time. Is one of the few players capable of kicking a stuff goal.
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Edwards is at his most dangerous in the forwardline. If possible should be left there the entire time. Is one of the few players capable of kicking a stuff goal.
I reckon he has become an integral part of the midfield. If you watch a replay looking for him specifically it's quite revealing how much work in and under the packs he does, getting the ball to the outside players. And he's very quick with the ball in his hands - the biggest knock on him still is his delivery. He has significantly increased his Inside 50 numbers already this season and if he keeps that going then he will be a very important cog in our midfield going forward.
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Sheddy has been good in the guts, pulls some uncanny evasions, they might move him back up forward later who knows. He is definitely a more confident player than a year or two ago.
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Edwards is at his most dangerous in the forwardline. If possible should be left there the entire time. Is one of the few players capable of kicking a stuff goal.
I reckon he has become an integral part of the midfield. If you watch a replay looking for him specifically it's quite revealing how much work in and under the packs he does, getting the ball to the outside players. And he's very quick with the ball in his hands - the biggest knock on him still is his delivery. He has significantly increased his Inside 50 numbers already this season and if he keeps that going then he will be a very important cog in our midfield going forward.
I totally agree that he is very quick with the ball in his hands and can be quite clever in and around packs. That is why I think he is better suited to the forwardline where he adds an extra dimension
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This is again an area that we need to fill and need to stop other clubs hurting us...we just don't seem to pay any attention to these players and we underestimate their value too and against us.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-draftee-jay-kennedyharris-kicked-three-goals-as-the-demons-shocked-richmond/story-fni5f9jb-1226827470647
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McBean could be the answer as he is a great crumber but otherwise Lloyd and eventually Lennon
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should have drafted willy rioli
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Dayle Garlett
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McDonough , banfield and Gordo and knights will all get a chance to fill this role
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Dayle Garlett
Isn't a crumbing forward.
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paul chapman anyone ;D. could have had chappy for two yrs. we then could have drafted one of the many sml forwards on offer in the nd to go with mcdonough and they both get some time to develop and learn under a real pro. with this area such a concern im still amazed we didnt even look at chappy.
oh but wait chappy wasnt worth 330k and there wasnt any kids worth taking after pick 12 forgive my ignorance.
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paul chapman anyone ;D. could have had chappy for two yrs. we then could have drafted one of the many sml forwards on offer in the nd to go with mcdonough and they both get some time to develop and learn under a real pro. with this area such a concern im still amazed we didnt even look at chappy.
oh but wait chappy wasnt worth 330k and there wasnt any kids worth taking after pick 12 forgive my ignorance.
Only problem was he wanted to go be with his bum chum bomber thompson. He certainly was worth the coin and an excellent fit for us.
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i wanted the goog bad
**** the bummers
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Put Titch down there Dimma!
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Whoever we play as the small forward needs to understand what playing "front and square" means first. It ain't waiting out the back for a cheapy goal or jumping up in the pack so no one is left at ground level :banghead.
I know some will say bring in Kingy but he's not the long-term answer either.
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Shank "Go make a cup of tea and have a poo while I get balanced on to my right foot if I don't get pushed off the ball by a gust of wind first, in which case I'll just half-heartedly stick my arm out to attempt a tackle " Edwards is not the answer...he's part of the problem....
Banfumbles..oh wait ...we need an injury first now....someone go do a Tonya Harding on Grigg please....
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Griffiths is equal #1 for contested marks in the AFL.
J.Riewoldt is equal #1 in the comp. for marks inside 50 with 11.
Vickery has nine marks inside 50 (equal 4th in the AFL) and 8 goals (equal 3rd).
http://www.afl.com.au/stats
All while our useless small forwards at ground level have done sweet stuff all offensively and worst still defensively continually costing us opposition rebound goals ::).
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#2 Clearances
#5 Inside 50's
#8 Contested possessions
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Our forward crumbing is non existing and our run from defence is poor. Thomas, Grigg and Petterd take too long to move the ball on and they like to go backwards to a better skilled player too because they might turn it over. McDonough, Deledio and Batchelor have to replace them. King is struggling up forward. Would be nice to elevate Banfield. We need pace, skill and quick thinkers.
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Our forward crumbing is non existing and our run from defence is poor. Thomas, Grigg and Petterd take too long to move the ball on and they like to go backwards to a better skilled player too because they might turn it over. McDonough, Deledio and Batchelor have to replace them. King is struggling up forward. Would be nice to elevate Banfield. We need pace, skill and quick thinkers.
Totally agree. We were very slow against the Bulldogs. It is a real worry our lack of pace. The slowness of the ball movement meant continually it went to contested packs where we had no hope of roving the crumbs as we lack a quality small forward.
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Tack this on to the, we need a very good small forward thread.
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Griffiths is equal #1 for contested marks in the AFL.
J.Riewoldt is equal #1 in the comp. for marks inside 50 with 11.
Vickery has nine marks inside 50 (equal 4th in the AFL) and 8 goals (equal 3rd).
http://www.afl.com.au/stats
All while our useless small forwards at ground level have done sweet stuff all offensively and worst still defensively continually costing us opposition rebound goals ::).
Totally agree. This has been a glaring problem for a while which was not addressed over the recruiting period when it should have been. The Carlton game and the Bulldogs game showed up our weakness at ground level in the forwardline. The amount of inside 50s to goals kicked I believes shows that not only have we not been as efficient as we should have been but that when the ball hits the deck in forwardline we are as whole stuffed unless Martin or Cotchin is in the area.
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Agree. Lloyd time.
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Dimma needs to stop trying to make everyone a midfielder. Work it out Stupid, Titch Edwards is not a midfielder, not a wingman and definitely not a HBF. Playing him in side 30 meters from goal, like he did a couple of years ago and he will deliver! Eddie Betts, Jeff Garlett, those two wankers from Fremantle, they are not midfielders and they don't get played there, they get played 30 from goal and they are continually dangerous!
Dimma pull year head out of your arse and stop trying to reinvent the wheel. Work with what you have!!
The other thing is we look slow, we are the same team as last year except for a bloke that played as sub for most of the year. So not much different. It's the movement of the ball not the leg speed. Once again Dimma has changed this to a sh4t keep hold of the footy game plan, something our guys are just not capable of!
Give your mate Clarkson a call and ask him what you should do because at the moment you have NFI!
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Edwards is such an enigma to me - he could be that small forward but he isn't. He tantalises with so much promise but continually falls short of really impacting games for 4 quarters. A perfect example is highlighted in Dimma's Dissection this week - the ball was in a stoppage on the wing, Thomas was down on the ground with cramp so Edwards (smart read of the situation) ran up to fill the space, got involved with a good tackle, followed straight up with a smother than ran on to receive and then deliver to Ellis? (I think it was but can't remember for sure) who goaled from 30mts. Smart play and 4 involvements that led directly to a goal. And yet he had a stinker when his game is assessed over the 4 quarters. I know that he does some things inside that might go unnoticed but he has the ability to be a match winner yet never reaches those heights. Just another wasted talent it seems.
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King
Grigg
Pettard
Newman
:banghead
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Do we have small forwards?
Fooled me!
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Lennon probably doesn't classify as a small forward, but badly need him in the side (when fit and ready)
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Griffiths is equal #1 for contested marks in the AFL.
J.Riewoldt is equal #1 in the comp. for marks inside 50 with 11.
Vickery has nine marks inside 50 (equal 4th in the AFL) and 8 goals (equal 3rd).
http://www.afl.com.au/stats
All while our useless small forwards at ground level have done sweet stuff all offensively and worst still defensively continually costing us opposition rebound goals ::).
Bring in Lloyd and get some popcorn
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Lennon probably doesn't classify as a small forward, but badly need him in the side (when fit and ready)
Why? He's showed nothing to suggest he's ready. Hardly a Vfl quality player right now
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Lennon probably doesn't classify as a small forward, but badly need him in the side (when fit and ready)
Why? He's showed nothing to suggest he's ready. Hardly a Vfl quality player right now
Conca Ellis vlastuin didn't have to prove themselfs
Why are we discrimination against Vladimir
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Lennon probably doesn't classify as a small forward, but badly need him in the side (when fit and ready)
Why? He's showed nothing to suggest he's ready. Hardly a Vfl quality player right now
Conca Ellis vlastuin didn't have to prove themselfs
Why are we discrimination against Vladimir
Who is this Vladimir you speak of ?
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Would happily see Lloyd and Banfield have a shot over the likes of King and Newman. King has no pace anymore despite trying and Newman looks quite finished, or best left in the D50 where he has played all his career.
S Edwards IMO should play F50 if he plays at all.
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What's a small forward? :whistle
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Lennon probably doesn't classify as a small forward, but badly need him in the side (when fit and ready)
Why? He's showed nothing to suggest he's ready. Hardly a Vfl quality player right now
Conca Ellis vlastuin didn't have to prove themselfs
Why are we discrimination against Vladimir
Vlastuin did have to prove himself. He didn't start playing until Round 5.
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people calling for Banfield to play still don't know he's on the rookie list?
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people calling for Banfield to play still don't know he's on the rookie list?
Correct. He and Miles are always being thrown up as selection changes to go into the senior team. Both are rookies and cannot be selected!
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The whole fwd setup is broken
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people calling for Banfield to play still don't know he's on the rookie list?
Or that he's pretty crap? :lol
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Griffiths is equal #1 for contested marks in the AFL.
J.Riewoldt is equal #1 in the comp. for marks inside 50 with 11.
Vickery has nine marks inside 50 (equal 4th in the AFL) and 8 goals (equal 3rd).
http://www.afl.com.au/stats
All while our useless small forwards at ground level have done sweet stuff all offensively and worst still defensively continually costing us opposition rebound goals ::).
lol just goes to show one should not look at stats alone. our tall forwards have been horrid regardless of what stats people wish to look at,
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Griffiths is equal #1 for contested marks in the AFL.
J.Riewoldt is equal #1 in the comp. for marks inside 50 with 11.
Vickery has nine marks inside 50 (equal 4th in the AFL) and 8 goals (equal 3rd).
http://www.afl.com.au/stats
All while our useless small forwards at ground level have done sweet stuff all offensively and worst still defensively continually costing us opposition rebound goals ::).
Never mind the facts, plenty of experts around here will tell u how bad a player tv is, :lol
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Griffiths is equal #1 for contested marks in the AFL.
J.Riewoldt is equal #1 in the comp. for marks inside 50 with 11.
Vickery has nine marks inside 50 (equal 4th in the AFL) and 8 goals (equal 3rd).
http://www.afl.com.au/stats
All while our useless small forwards at ground level have done sweet stuff all offensively and worst still defensively continually costing us opposition rebound goals ::).
Never mind the facts, plenty of experts around here will tell u how bad a player tv is, :lol
id say if we really want to go into all arreas of this marvelous game called aussie rules footy id say the stats of the game would clearly paint a picture of a bloke who is not even a glass half full footballer .
an abysmal failure as a ruckman and totally deficient in too many areas to make it anywhere else. i wonder do we really want to start pulling tyrones game apart piece by piece statistically
trust me it wont change a thing mainly ordinary will remain mainly ordinary.
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Griffiths is equal #1 for contested marks in the AFL.
I know it's only Round 3 but there's one from leftfield.
Edwards has got a bag of tricks which are of most use to us in a forward pocket. Can we please start playing players to their strengths! :banghead
I can empathise with Smokey's frustration of how Edwards' career has panned out. It has been blindingly obvious from the beginning that he was most dangerous as a forward pocket with decent enough overhead skills to lead up to the flanks. It is just baffling that we aren't playing players where they are best suited. He has played 130 games with only 20 or so of them where he has been in the best. But I also think the club has wasted about 70 of his games; there was the disastrous attempt to recreate him as a hbf, he was returned to a fwd pocket and gave a great return, was then rewarded with a midfield elevation which overall has been below par. Put him in a forward pocket. These 2nd and 3rd efforts that he puts in are quite good-they could cause the opposition all sorts of headaches in the last line of defence. We know this because we have seen him do it when he is played in his natural spot!
Brett Deledio has always been a useful 'small' fwd whenever he has been rested forward, can play both the small and tall roles down there. Perhaps they could try it when he is struggling with close tags? Hmm?
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Griffiths is equal #1 for contested marks in the AFL.
Should have been three years ago :banghead. Already 22 FFS
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Griffiths is equal #1 for contested marks in the AFL.
J.Riewoldt is equal #1 in the comp. for marks inside 50 with 11.
Vickery has nine marks inside 50 (equal 4th in the AFL) and 8 goals (equal 3rd).
http://www.afl.com.au/stats
All while our useless small forwards at ground level have done sweet stuff all offensively and worst still defensively continually costing us opposition rebound goals ::).
Never mind the facts, plenty of experts around here will tell u how bad a player tv is, :lol
id say if we really want to go into all arreas of this marvelous game called aussie rules footy id say the stats of the game would clearly paint a picture of a bloke who is not even a glass half full footballer .
an abysmal failure as a ruckman and totally deficient in too many areas to make it anywhere else. i wonder do we really want to start pulling tyrones game apart piece by piece statistically
trust me it wont change a thing mainly ordinary will remain mainly ordinary.
He is there to kick goals and is averaging just under 3 per game.
If he keeps that up then here comes a 50+ season and I CBF if he only gets 50 possessions for the whole year
End of story
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Griffiths is equal #1 for contested marks in the AFL.
J.Riewoldt is equal #1 in the comp. for marks inside 50 with 11.
Vickery has nine marks inside 50 (equal 4th in the AFL) and 8 goals (equal 3rd).
http://www.afl.com.au/stats
All while our useless small forwards at ground level have done sweet stuff all offensively and worst still defensively continually costing us opposition rebound goals ::).
Never mind the facts, plenty of experts around here will tell u how bad a player tv is, :lol
id say if we really want to go into all arreas of this marvelous game called aussie rules footy id say the stats of the game would clearly paint a picture of a bloke who is not even a glass half full footballer .
an abysmal failure as a ruckman and totally deficient in too many areas to make it anywhere else. i wonder do we really want to start pulling tyrones game apart piece by piece statistically
trust me it wont change a thing mainly ordinary will remain mainly ordinary.
He is there to kick goals and is averaging just under 3 per game.
If he keeps that up then here comes a 50+ season and I CBF if he only gets 50 possessions for the whole year
End of story
But he has a habit of getting goals in junk time. He doesn't present himself when the game is on the balance. Where was TV when we were getting molested by the dogs? He was great against Carlton but really needs to be an outlet for us more consistently when JR8 isn't able to kick a bag.
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could you define when junk time was in the three games we played so far?
(obviously the smart arse answer is the whole game, but i always thought junk time was that time at the end of the game when the result is pretty much set and the heat has gone out of the game)
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could you define when junk time was in the three games we played so far?
(obviously the smart arse answer is the whole game, but i always thought junk time was that time at the end of the game when the result is pretty much set and the heat has gone out of the game)
and some players are trying to impress for the next weeks selection after bludging the rest of the game.
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hmmmm....interesting..
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could you define when junk time was in the three games we played so far?
(obviously the smart arse answer is the whole game, but i always thought junk time was that time at the end of the game when the result is pretty much set and the heat has gone out of the game)
Based on that definition, one of Ty's 8 goals was in junk time - the 22 minute mark of the last qtr vs GC to cut the lead to 19 points. Mind you, I reckon we were still in the game but if we are being harsh.
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yeah, i dont think GC took their foot off the pedal.
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Griffiths is equal #1 for contested marks in the AFL.
J.Riewoldt is equal #1 in the comp. for marks inside 50 with 11.
Vickery has nine marks inside 50 (equal 4th in the AFL) and 8 goals (equal 3rd).
http://www.afl.com.au/stats
All while our useless small forwards at ground level have done sweet stuff all offensively and worst still defensively continually costing us opposition rebound goals ::).
Never mind the facts, plenty of experts around here will tell u how bad a player tv is, :lol
id say if we really want to go into all arreas of this marvelous game called aussie rules footy id say the stats of the game would clearly paint a picture of a bloke who is not even a glass half full footballer .
an abysmal failure as a ruckman and totally deficient in too many areas to make it anywhere else. i wonder do we really want to start pulling tyrones game apart piece by piece statistically
trust me it wont change a thing mainly ordinary will remain mainly ordinary.
He is there to kick goals and is averaging just under 3 per game.
If he keeps that up then here comes a 50+ season and I CBF if he only gets 50 possessions for the whole year
End of story
thats just rubbish and you know it. hes there not just to kick goals and thats the problem. the whole side is struggling because of a total lack of out put from far too many.
hes the invisible man almost and makes no impact on games what so ever other than snagging the odd goal. i keep on asking what happens when he doessnt kick his two or three a game, the simple answer is he becomes a total liability rather than barely passable. theres a lot of faith in a bloke who travels at just 1.1 goals a game and if the stats are to be believed he will have plenty of games where he doesnt get a sniff of a goal. already in three games most areas of his game have been appalling.
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Griffiths is equal #1 for contested marks in the AFL.
J.Riewoldt is equal #1 in the comp. for marks inside 50 with 11.
Vickery has nine marks inside 50 (equal 4th in the AFL) and 8 goals (equal 3rd).
http://www.afl.com.au/stats
All while our useless small forwards at ground level have done sweet stuff all offensively and worst still defensively continually costing us opposition rebound goals ::).
Never mind the facts, plenty of experts around here will tell u how bad a player tv is, :lol
id say if we really want to go into all arreas of this marvelous game called aussie rules footy id say the stats of the game would clearly paint a picture of a bloke who is not even a glass half full footballer .
an abysmal failure as a ruckman and totally deficient in too many areas to make it anywhere else. i wonder do we really want to start pulling tyrones game apart piece by piece statistically
trust me it wont change a thing mainly ordinary will remain mainly ordinary.
He is there to kick goals and is averaging just under 3 per game.
If he keeps that up then here comes a 50+ season and I CBF if he only gets 50 possessions for the whole year
End of story
thats just rubbish and you know it. hes there not just to kick goals and thats the problem. the whole side is struggling because of a total lack of out put from far too many.
hes the invisible man almost and makes no impact on games what so ever other than snagging the odd goal. i keep on asking what happens when he doessnt kick his two or three a game, the simple answer is he becomes a total liability rather than barely passable. theres a lot of faith in a bloke who travels at just 1.1 goals a game and if the stats are to be believed he will have plenty of games where he doesnt get a sniff of a goal. already in three games most areas of his game have been appalling.
A key forward's job is to either mark the ball or at the very least bring it ground so the smalls can swoop on the footy or at least force a stoppage to keep it in the forward line.
The problem we have is our talls are too often left isolated in marking contests with no smalls to be seen front and square at ground level. Our small forwards are continually out of position and too busy kick chasing upfield. As soon as the pill hits the turf in our forward line we're stuffed. If you leave your talls isolated and outnumbered then the ball will leave your forward line as quickly as it came in. It's no different tactically to Rugby Union where if your hit-up player is left isolated with little support then the weight of numbers by the opposition will see the ball turned over.
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Griffiths is equal #1 for contested marks in the AFL.
J.Riewoldt is equal #1 in the comp. for marks inside 50 with 11.
Vickery has nine marks inside 50 (equal 4th in the AFL) and 8 goals (equal 3rd).
http://www.afl.com.au/stats
All while our useless small forwards at ground level have done sweet stuff all offensively and worst still defensively continually costing us opposition rebound goals ::).
Never mind the facts, plenty of experts around here will tell u how bad a player tv is, :lol
id say if we really want to go into all arreas of this marvelous game called aussie rules footy id say the stats of the game would clearly paint a picture of a bloke who is not even a glass half full footballer .
an abysmal failure as a ruckman and totally deficient in too many areas to make it anywhere else. i wonder do we really want to start pulling tyrones game apart piece by piece statistically
trust me it wont change a thing mainly ordinary will remain mainly ordinary.
He is there to kick goals and is averaging just under 3 per game.
If he keeps that up then here comes a 50+ season and I CBF if he only gets 50 possessions for the whole year
End of story
thats just rubbish and you know it. hes there not just to kick goals and thats the problem. the whole side is struggling because of a total lack of out put from far too many.
hes the invisible man almost and makes no impact on games what so ever other than snagging the odd goal. i keep on asking what happens when he doessnt kick his two or three a game, the simple answer is he becomes a total liability rather than barely passable. theres a lot of faith in a bloke who travels at just 1.1 goals a game and if the stats are to be believed he will have plenty of games where he doesnt get a sniff of a goal. already in three games most areas of his game have been appalling.
A key forward's job is to either mark the ball or at the very least bring it ground so the smalls can swoop on the footy or at least force a stoppage to keep it in the forward line.
The problem we have is our talls are too often left isolated in marking contests with no smalls to be seen front and square at ground level. Our small forwards are continually out of position and too busy kick chasing upfield. As soon as the pill hits the turf in our forward line we're stuffed. If you leave your talls isolated and outnumbered then the ball will leave your forward line as quickly as it came in. It's no different tactically to Rugby Union where if your hit-up player is left isolated with little support then the weight of numbers by the opposition will see the ball turned over.
:clapping :clapping
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well well well the invisible man strikes again. wouldnt get a kick in a footy factory.
we got as much out of him when he was subbed off than we did with him on the ground. thats what happens when he cant snag the odd goal but hey his overall game is just fine lol.
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Tyrone ruck Hampson 2s
In: Elton McBean
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Dimma's comments on SEN this week counting on Titch and Morris as our small forwards this season:
* Shane Edwards is a player that within our four walls that we rate incredibly highly. He’s a talent. He probably doesn’t get the kudos that he deserves, for mine. What he needs to do is get a little bit more selfish at certain stages and kick more goals. But he does some things - you would have seen the tap he did to Griffiths against North last Saturday. He’s an incredible player and we’re very lucky to have him.
* Steve Morris has averaged two shots on goal every game he’s played during the pre-season series. We’d just like a few more going through the big sticks but the defensive pressure he puts on is outstanding. I’ve got no doubt that role Jake King played, we missed last year. He only played two games for us and we lost that defensive pressure.
* We’re hoping Morris and Edwards will be able to give us it back this year.
Audio: http://audioboom.com/boos/3017683-damien-hardwick-on-the-run-home
Full article:http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-03-25/tigers-pin-faith-in-seasoned-small-duo
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Though King had his flaws he had a good knack of kicking goals. I do not believe Morris has that same knack.
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Not pursuing Jeff Garlett will come back to haunt us this year imo.
ShEdwards can almost play as a medium. Huge leaping mark and imo a surprising good set shot. If he stayed F50 all year I reckon he'd kick over 30 for sure.
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I'm now quite sure that based on the credibility that Dimma has with him, WAT now has a high opinion of Shed within his 4 walls. :thumbsup
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Though King had his flaws he had a good knack of kicking goals. I do not believe Morris has that same knack.
exactly this. Push up at least was always in good positions when the ball went to ground and still able to put the ball through the big sticks on tight angles. I don't see Morris with the same kicking ability nor do I see Morris being able to position himself well in the F50 to crumb goals like a Ballantyne or a Betts would.
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Butler is the player we need to develop for this type of role, he can also play in the middle making a nuisance of himself with his pace.
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Still need a quick, deadly small forward.
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I wanted us to get Jack Lonie but alas he was picked by St Kilda in the draft. Would have been a star in the making in our team.
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Lloyd kicked a few on the weekend but I think Lambert could be our best option in the future
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Griffiths is equal #1 for contested marks in the AFL.
J.Riewoldt is equal #1 in the comp. for marks inside 50 with 11.
Vickery has nine marks inside 50 (equal 4th in the AFL) and 8 goals (equal 3rd).
http://www.afl.com.au/stats
All while our useless small forwards at ground level have done sweet stuff all offensively and worst still defensively continually costing us opposition rebound goals ::).
Never mind the facts, plenty of experts around here will tell u how bad a player tv is, :lol
id say if we really want to go into all arreas of this marvelous game called aussie rules footy id say the stats of the game would clearly paint a picture of a bloke who is not even a glass half full footballer .
an abysmal failure as a ruckman and totally deficient in too many areas to make it anywhere else. i wonder do we really want to start pulling tyrones game apart piece by piece statistically
trust me it wont change a thing mainly ordinary will remain mainly ordinary.
He is there to kick goals and is averaging just under 3 per game.
If he keeps that up then here comes a 50+ season and I CBF if he only gets 50 possessions for the whole year
End of story
thats just rubbish and you know it. hes there not just to kick goals and thats the problem. the whole side is struggling because of a total lack of out put from far too many.
hes the invisible man almost and makes no impact on games what so ever other than snagging the odd goal. i keep on asking what happens when he doessnt kick his two or three a game, the simple answer is he becomes a total liability rather than barely passable. theres a lot of faith in a bloke who travels at just 1.1 goals a game and if the stats are to be believed he will have plenty of games where he doesnt get a sniff of a goal. already in three games most areas of his game have been appalling.
A key forward's job is to either mark the ball or at the very least bring it ground so the smalls can swoop on the footy or at least force a stoppage to keep it in the forward line.
The problem we have is our talls are too often left isolated in marking contests with no smalls to be seen front and square at ground level. Our small forwards are continually out of position and too busy kick chasing upfield. As soon as the pill hits the turf in our forward line we're stuffed.
or playing exclusively as a shut down fwd chasing the tail of a direct opponent lol, and doing that poorly.
ah going by some on this site, i would think we dont have sml fwd problems and our fwd line functions just fine.we have probably the least talented group of small fwds in the league. what really irks is those in charge do so little to try and rectify the problem while acknowledging the problem does indeed exist.
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The ball came out of our far too easily last year. It didn't on Thursday night.
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The ball came out of our far too easily last year. It didn't on Thursday night.
Oh crap, it came out 5 times from one player...Morris, free kicks....
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The ball came out of our far too easily last year. It didn't on Thursday night.
Oh crap, it came out 5 times from one player...Morris, free kicks....
Most of the frees were mental. Only 2 (maybe 3) you could say we're there.
Don't hate the player, hate the game
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The ball came out of our far too easily last year. It didn't on Thursday night.
Oh crap, it came out 5 times from one player...Morris, free kicks....
Most of the frees were mental. Only 2 (maybe 3) you could say we're there.
Don't hate the player, hate the game
no ones hating the player. they are hating the way he played. he was poor worse thab poor and supporters like you are just lying down and accepting it.
i keep on hearing he sacfrificed his game. that is just plain codswallop.
im asking again what tackles did he lay that you would not expect from any player. what pressure acts did he apply that you would not expect from say vyoung butler if we played him. what turnovers did his pressure force they must have been many to excuse a 3 possesion game. what defender did he actually take out of the game there wasnt one.
he gave nothing that you would not expect from a goal kicking fwd in fact he gave far less.
people defending that sort of output should be ashamed of themselves.
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^^^^ This x 2
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The ball came out of our far too easily last year. It didn't on Thursday night.
Oh crap, it came out 5 times from one player...Morris, free kicks....
Most of the frees were mental. Only 2 (maybe 3) you could say we're there.
Don't hate the player, hate the game
no ones hating the player. they are hating the way he played. he was poor worse thab poor and supporters like you are just lying down and accepting it.
i keep on hearing he sacfrificed his game. that is just plain codswallop.
im asking again what tackles did he lay that you would not expect from any player. what pressure acts did he apply that you would not expect from say vyoung butler if we played him. what turnovers did his pressure force they must have been many to excuse a 3 possesion game. what defender did he actually take out of the game there wasnt one.
he gave nothing that you would not expect from a goal kicking fwd in fact he gave far less.
people defending that sort of output should be ashamed of themselves.
The tackles and pressuring were brutal in number and execution. If you can't see that then so be it. I couldn't care. I guess some peoples palettes for football intricacies is limited.
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The ball came out of our far too easily last year. It didn't on Thursday night.
Oh crap, it came out 5 times from one player...Morris, free kicks....
Most of the frees were mental. Only 2 (maybe 3) you could say we're there.
Don't hate the player, hate the game
no ones hating the player. they are hating the way he played. he was poor worse thab poor and supporters like you are just lying down and accepting it.
i keep on hearing he sacfrificed his game. that is just plain codswallop.
im asking again what tackles did he lay that you would not expect from any player. what pressure acts did he apply that you would not expect from say vyoung butler if we played him. what turnovers did his pressure force they must have been many to excuse a 3 possesion game. what defender did he actually take out of the game there wasnt one.
he gave nothing that you would not expect from a goal kicking fwd in fact he gave far less.
people defending that sort of output should be ashamed of themselves.
The tackles and pressuring were brutal in number and execution. If you can't see that then so be it. I couldn't care. I guess some peoples palettes for football intricacies is limited.
and that people says it all. lol.
yep his tackles all 4 of em were brutal, he gave away a free kick every time he laid one. cmon your talking up his game point out just one instance where his pressure caused a turn over goal.
i guess some peoples ability to see a players worth is indeed limited by the blinkers they wear.
playing a bloke like king as a pure defensive fwd was a waste of time. doing it with morris was exactly that a waste of time. as i said defending that sort of game from anyone is a disgrace and shows just how low you have the bar set for our players.
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His game was below average, a few free kicks against him shouldn't of been there and the idea of playing a small forward purely for defensive pressure is just silly. If the recruitment team can't find a skilful small forward with pace and Dimma can't get him to put in the defensive pressure he expects from Morris then it's time to sack some people and bring in people who can do it.
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The ball came out of our far too easily last year. It didn't on Thursday night.
Oh crap, it came out 5 times from one player...Morris, free kicks....
Most of the frees were mental. Only 2 (maybe 3) you could say we're there.
Don't hate the player, hate the game
no ones hating the player. they are hating the way he played. he was poor worse thab poor and supporters like you are just lying down and accepting it.
i keep on hearing he sacfrificed his game. that is just plain codswallop.
im asking again what tackles did he lay that you would not expect from any player. what pressure acts did he apply that you would not expect from say vyoung butler if we played him. what turnovers did his pressure force they must have been many to excuse a 3 possesion game. what defender did he actually take out of the game there wasnt one.
he gave nothing that you would not expect from a goal kicking fwd in fact he gave far less.
people defending that sort of output should be ashamed of themselves.
The tackles and pressuring were brutal in number and execution. If you can't see that then so be it. I couldn't care. I guess some peoples palettes for football intricacies is limited.
and that people says it all. lol.
yep his tackles all 4 of em were brutal, he gave away a free kick every time he laid one. cmon your talking up his game point out just one instance where his pressure caused a turn over goal.
i guess some peoples ability to see a players worth is indeed limited by the blinkers they wear.
playing a bloke like king as a pure defensive fwd was a waste of time. doing it with morris was exactly that a waste of time. as i said defending that sort of game from anyone is a disgrace and shows just how low you have the bar set for our players.
Yeah Claw. That says it all. ::)
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Its not enough for Morris to be tough and hard playing as the small forward. Unless he can kick 1 to 2 goals a game it wont be a successful experiment he needs 20 to 30 goals by the end of the season.
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Its not enough for Morris to be tough and hard playing as the small forward. Unless he can kick 1 to 2 goals a game it wont be a successful experiment he needs 20 to 30 goals by the end of the season.
Agree with this.
He needs to kick goals, we can't rely on the resting likes of Cotchin, Deledio, Martin to kick the goals your permanent small forward should. Just my take
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I don't actually care if he kicks goals as long as he causes others to kick them. If his actions lead to four to five goals a game, he holds his spot permanently.
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So how is his influence to be measured ,by the goals he kicks himself or by the mayhem he causes which results in goals and opportunities for others that might not normally arise
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His game was below average, a few free kicks against him shouldn't of been there and the idea of playing a small forward purely for defensive pressure is just silly. If the recruitment team can't find a skilful small forward with pace and Dimma can't get him to put in the defensive pressure he expects from Morris then it's time to sack some people and bring in people who can do it.
hear here well said.
i dont think ive actually said too much different. you would think i killed the pope though going by peoples reactions.
So how is his influence to be measured ,by the goals he kicks himself or by the mayhem he causes which results in goals and opportunities for others that might not normally arise
so point the mayhem out how many goals did his pressure create.how many tackles did he lay. did he manage to stop opposition rebound did he keep a defender quite.
im still saying should we not expect that sort of pressure from whichever sml fwd we play.
for gods sake 3 disposals and 4 tackles which resulted in free kicks against. are people for real.
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I don't actually care if he kicks goals as long as he causes others to kick them. If his actions lead to four to five goals a game, he holds his spot permanently.
Can't agree Doc.
If his actions by giving away stupid frees is causing us to not score goals then we have a problem
So to counter that I reckon he needs to kick a few himself and he doesn't look like kicking one let alone 2 or 3
Personally I thought his game on Thursday wasn't anything great. Was again disappointed with the stupid frees he gave away, his not keeping his feet and again making poor decisions regarding whether to go the ball or man. Said it before far too often he goes the man when he needs to attack the ball.
To be honest and I will wear the whacks on this I reckon Petterd could do a much better job in that role. He can do the defensive stuff but can also snag a few goals along the way
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this will be sorted out in the next 6 or 7 weeks for mine. It will end up either with a) Morris causing mayhem and kicking some goals which will be a success, b) Morris causing mayhem and kicking no goals which for me will be a not successful result or c) and the one Im thinking will come to the fore, the umpires will start to target him after the media starts to report on Morris and how he is playing his role and we will see Morris coughing up free kick after free kick to the point of becoming a liability.
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^^^ ROUND 1 FAIL
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heres our chance to be bold
http://www.sportsfan.com.au/ray-retires-from-afl-north-delist-nahas/tabid/91/newsid/210973/default.aspx?ref=BP_RSS_sportsfan_11_-ray-retires-from-afl--north-delist-nahas_150916
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Idiot :rollin
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Would be in our best 22 ...