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Title: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: one-eyed on May 08, 2012, 12:15:47 AM
We need Jack to step up: Houli
abc.net.au
Updated May 07, 2012 13:02:16


Bachar Houli believes team-mate Jack Riewoldt to lead the Tigers to finals footy.


Bachar Houli says Richmond need Jack Riewoldt to repeat Sunday's four-goal performance on a regular basis if the Tigers are to achieve a top-eight finish.

After playing well in defeat the previous two weeks the Tigers secured their second victory of the season in a dominating victory over Port Adelaide at Football Park.

Riewoldt, who had been much-criticised after a slow start to the campaign, put in a dominating display and Houli feels this needs to be his benchmark from now on.

"We need Jack to step up for us to get somewhere and go further into the top eight," Houli said on Grandstand Breakfast.

"Also Ty Vickery - we're relying on these tall forwards to give us options and kick goals for us.

"It's been good to see Jack in the next two weeks stepping up where we need him and he's been quite positive about his approach.

"Players like that can drop their confidence. Jacks been great and the club is all supportive of him."

Houli has established himself as a key player at Richmond after a frustrating four years at Essendon when he made just 26 appearances.

The attacking defender, who turns 24 this week, puts his emergence down to the support of coach Damien Hardwick and his fellow players.

"I've come in the programme and been given the confidence by Damien and the playing group," Houli said. "They've given me confidence to play relaxed footy.

"That's made me really confident in the way I approach my football.

"All players make errors in games and when I do make an error I'm feeling really confident.

"When I was in Essendon I would be down on myself and thinking at the back of my mind as soon as I make an error, I'll be dropped next week.

"When I do make an error I'm always looking to rectify."

Houli also praised the contribution of Ivan Maric who he feels has given the Tigers' midfield the platform to shine.

"It just goes to show when you've got an elite ruckman doing his work not only in the ruck but around the ground where the team can be," Houli said.

"Our midfield are working extremely hard with Ivan and obviously the combination is working really well."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-07/we-need-jack-to-step-up3a-houli/3995720/?site=ballarat
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Go Richo 12 on May 08, 2012, 06:40:48 AM
Everyone seems a have a hate on for Jack at the moment >:(
Maybe Houli should step up, take full steps when entering a contest not little ones, keeps his eyeys on the ball when entering a marking contest, not drop his head when contact is coming and keep his head over the ball.
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Jackstar is back again on May 08, 2012, 07:49:50 AM
Bit harsh on Houli
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: bojangles17 on May 08, 2012, 07:51:35 AM
What he says is damn right, we need both talls to stand up if we are to do anything this year
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Go Richo 12 on May 08, 2012, 09:08:42 AM
Bit harsh on Houli
Yeah you may be right here Jack, it takes courage just to walk out there in front of a big crowd and a national audience and play. However, i do think some of his efforts stand out at times.
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Jackstar is back again on May 08, 2012, 12:10:56 PM
Love Bachar Houli :thumbsup
Great kick and adds run and carry :thumbsup
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Willy on May 08, 2012, 12:18:37 PM
If only he had the heart of Matty Dea!  :shh
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Jackstar is back again on May 08, 2012, 12:21:04 PM
If only he had the heart of Matty Dea!  :shh

 ::) ::)
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Loui Tufga on May 08, 2012, 12:40:16 PM
::) ::)

 :sleep :sleep :sleep
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: tigs2011 on May 08, 2012, 12:41:14 PM
Love Bachar Houli :thumbsup
Great kick and adds run and carry :thumbsup

Reported.  :police:

How dare you be positive.  :banghead :banghead :banghead
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Judge Roughneck on May 08, 2012, 12:50:38 PM
Jack: we need houli to stop being a squib.
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Mr Magic on May 08, 2012, 01:09:02 PM
He's dead right.
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: blaisee on May 08, 2012, 01:19:55 PM
If only he had the heart of Matty Dea!  :shh

 ::) ::)


fair point.

Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: WilliamPowell on May 08, 2012, 01:34:27 PM
Everyone seems a have a hate on for Jack at the moment >:(
Maybe Houli should step up, take full steps when entering a contest not little ones, keeps his eyeys on the ball when entering a marking contest, not drop his head when contact is coming and keep his head over the ball.

Not sure there was any "hate" in the articlem jsut a case of stating the bleeding obvious  ;D

Agree in part with you re Houli: certianly did what you've described against the Eagles and having watched that replay can say you really don't get great vision of how bad that stopping & propping was
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Stripes on May 08, 2012, 02:28:17 PM
All Jack need to do is get out there are training, get the headphones in with the crowd noise and practise his set shots.If he had of slotted the two gettable set shots he had on the weekend we would all be heralding his return to form. Jacks bread and butter is his marking and set shots. He hasn't either at the moment because he is trying two hard in the marking contests and over thinking his routine when kicking for goal.

Just a confidence issue for both him and Vickery.
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Coach on May 08, 2012, 02:34:59 PM
One of the issues with Vickery is that his teammates kick it to Riewoldt with nearly every forward entry. He should be kicking a poo load of goals when they kick it to him 80% of the time. Vickery gets ignored often.
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Yeahright on May 08, 2012, 02:50:12 PM
All Jack need to do is get out there are training, get the headphones in with the crowd noise and practise his set shots.
Just a confidence issue for both him.

Ive been having the impression his set shots missing could do with the surgeries. I could imagine it'd be hard to adjust your body after having, what 3-4?, surgeries on his hip/s and ankle/s.
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: eliminator on May 08, 2012, 03:40:16 PM
Agree with Stripes
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Penelope on May 08, 2012, 04:51:22 PM
Everyone seems a have a hate on for Jack at the moment >:(
Maybe Houli should step up, take full steps when entering a contest not little ones, keeps his eyeys on the ball when entering a marking contest, not drop his head when contact is coming and keep his head over the ball.

Not sure there was any "hate" in the articlem jsut a case of stating the bleeding obvious  ;D

Agree in part with you re Houli: certianly did what you've described against the Eagles and having watched that replay can say you really don't get great vision of how bad that stopping & propping was

what stage of the game did this happen willy?
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Judge Roughneck on May 08, 2012, 07:23:40 PM
I like bacha but last 2/3 games been at least a few times could have gone harder.

Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on May 08, 2012, 07:39:40 PM
Bachar is doing okay boys. Yep there was that instance against West Coast but I saw plenty of times sitting on the Railway Side of Etihad that day where when it was his turn to go he went.

He is only stating the obvious.

Hands up here who has been happy with Jack all year so far?
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Go Richo 12 on May 08, 2012, 07:52:57 PM
I like him too and Jack has under performed, I agree. I don't like to cane the man because he plays the game a thousand times better than me but he seems at times to be concerned about on coming contact. Therefore I think the club could have chosen a better person to front the media over jacks poor form.
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Tigermonk on May 08, 2012, 08:08:48 PM
Rewoldt will fire this weekend  :thumbsup



fire his lips at the umpires & his own players  ;D
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Penelope on May 08, 2012, 08:17:28 PM
i serously doubt the club would have selected houli to front the media over Jacks form.

He would have been selected to fullfill a request for someone, perhaps houli himself  specifically, by the media to appear on their show, in this case the ABC's grandstand breakfast show.

He then would have been asked about jack's form, amongst other questions.
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Coach on May 08, 2012, 08:18:18 PM
Rewoldt will fire this weekend  :thumbsup



fire his lips at the umpires & his own players  ;D

Post of the year :lol
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Willy on May 08, 2012, 08:24:15 PM
Rewoldt will fire this weekend  :thumbsup



fire his lips at the umpires & his own players  ;D


i think by your own philosophy you should give Jack a break mate. Its not all money and glory you know. He might wanna go home to Tassie. Buy you probably would never understand that.

 :lol
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: tony_montana on May 08, 2012, 08:26:14 PM
Bachar is doing okay boys. Yep there was that instance against West Coast but I saw plenty of times sitting on the Railway Side of Etihad that day where when it was his turn to go he went.

He is only stating the obvious.

Hands up here who has been happy with Jack all year so far?

spot on Tucker, players are human too and sometimes they hesitate, ive seen him hesitate a few times but Ive also seen him go when it was his turn to a lot more.
He is spot on about Jack. Some softies reckon Im a hater, Im not... hes a shitload better than hes showing atm, needs to stop leading to pockets and playing from behind, cut those things out and he'll be back in business.
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Willy on May 08, 2012, 08:28:54 PM

Rewoldt will fire this weekend  :thumbsup

fire his lips at the umpires & his own players  ;D


i think by your own philosophy you should give Jack a break mate. AFL life is harder than you know. Its not all money and glory you know. He might wanna go home to Tassie. But you probably would never understand that.

 :lol
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Go Richo 12 on May 08, 2012, 08:41:00 PM
i serously doubt the club would have selected houli to front the media over Jacks form.

He would have been selected to fullfill a request for saomeone, perhaps houli himself  specifically, by the media to appear on their show, in this case the ABC's grandstand breakfast show.

He then would have been asked about jack's form, amongst other questions.
Yes true al, I think the article heading mislead me a little.
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Go Richo 12 on May 08, 2012, 08:52:20 PM
Bachar is doing okay boys. Yep there was that instance against West Coast but I saw plenty of times sitting on the Railway Side of Etihad that day where when it was his turn to go he went.

He is only stating the obvious.

Hands up here who has been happy with Jack all year so far?

spot on Tucker, players are human too and sometimes they hesitate, ive seen him hesitate a few times but Ive also seen him go when it was his turn to a lot more. He is spot on about Jack. Some softies reckon Im a hater, Im not... hes a pooload better than hes showing atm, needs to stop leading to pockets and playing from behind, cut those things out and he'll be back in business.
I agree Tony, players are human and that mantra even extends to other players such as Jack as well as Edwards, Jackson, McDonald, Dea etc.
Not that i am accusing you of otherwise ;) but i think your point is valid, the players are just as fallible as the rest of us and still only very young men but we sometimes expect the world from them and demonise them when they can't deliver.
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: WA Tiger on May 08, 2012, 08:57:54 PM
How about the team stands up, always singling players out.... :whistle....

By players I mean players that can play at AFL level..... ;)
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: WilliamPowell on May 08, 2012, 09:52:38 PM
what stage of the game did this happen willy?

2nd qtr al, right in front of me. I said when you posted about it last week that i hadn't watched the replay and wanted to see what the TV showed comapered to what I witnessed in front of me

You gave the time as being about 7 odd mins to go it he qtr & for memory you suggested that the vision showed he got held by an eagles player or was impeded by an eagles player.

I've watched the replay in ful and I can tell you that what shows up on the TV certain doesn't show the full vision of of what happened, that is it certainly doesn't looks as bad on the TV and that's because I reckon perhaps if they gave a wider angle of say 10 seconds earlier then you'd get a much better idea of what I saw live at the game. He stopped before the Eagles' player got near him
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Penelope on May 09, 2012, 08:29:54 AM
no, he slowed because the ball bounced straight up and the eagles bloke then put his arm into houli's chest, stopping him in his tracks

not at any stage did houli take his eyes off the ball.

i'd suggest you have another look with a view to see what happened, not what you already believe happened.

Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Jackstar is back again on May 09, 2012, 10:10:38 AM
Bit harsh on Houli
He is a gun player who has balance and class and can actually kick a ball
We need more Houlis
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: JVT on May 09, 2012, 10:33:44 AM
Bit harsh on Houli
He is a gun player who has balance and class and can actually kick a ball
We need more Houlis
On this I agree with you.  ;)
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: WilliamPowell on May 09, 2012, 12:00:50 PM
no, he slowed because the ball bounced straight up and the eagles bloke then put his arm into houli's chest, stopping him in his tracks

not at any stage did houli take his eyes off the ball.

i'd suggest you have another look with a view to see what happened, not what you already believe happened.

al, I don't need to watch the replay again because as I said what I saw in front of me doesn't show up on the replay; that's my point. What I saw on the day happened prior to when he got near or there was any contact by the Eagle player = he stopped & propped that is what I saw not from the camera side of the ground but from the side it actually happened on

Further to that at half time I reckon where I was sitting there were at least 6-8 people standing around talking about it. Are you suggesting that we all got it wrong?

It's not about what I believed happened it's about what I saw on the day.

Have said time & time again what you see at the ground can be very different to what you see on TV
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Coach on May 09, 2012, 12:58:07 PM
Bit harsh on Houli
He is a gun player who has balance and class and can actually kick a ball
We need more Houlis

Throwing "gun" around pretty easily. He's an okay player.
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Penelope on May 09, 2012, 05:43:55 PM
no, he slowed because the ball bounced straight up and the eagles bloke then put his arm into houli's chest, stopping him in his tracks

not at any stage did houli take his eyes off the ball.

i'd suggest you have another look with a view to see what happened, not what you already believe happened.

al, I don't need to watch the replay again because as I said what I saw in front of me doesn't show up on the replay; that's my point. What I saw on the day happened prior to when he got near or there was any contact by the Eagle player = he stopped & propped that is what I saw not from the camera side of the ground but from the side it actually happened on

Further to that at half time I reckon where I was sitting there were at least 6-8 people standing around talking about it. Are you suggesting that we all got it wrong?

It's not about what I believed happened it's about what I saw on the day.

Have said time & time again what you see at the ground can be very different to what you see on TV

Yes i am suggesting you all go it wrong. Sometimes you need to see things a couple of times to see what actually happened.

The Tv footages follows houlie as he trys to make ground to mark the ball then as he tries to collect it off the ground. There is nothing he has done that is not in the vision.

The ball takes one of those awkward bounces straight up, which can be seen on the vision. Houlie with eyes on the ball adjusts his pace accordingly but is then given a dont argue which stops him in his tracks.

It's not a case of the TV footage not showing what happened in front of you, it's that the TV footage doesn't show what you thought happened in front of you.

 If it had been someone who didnt have rep for not going hard at times, it wouldn't have even have stuck in the memory.

Perception often takes time to catch up with reality.



Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Jackstar is back again on May 09, 2012, 05:47:19 PM
Bit harsh on Houli
He is a gun player who has balance and class and can actually kick a ball
We need more Houlis

Throwing "gun" around pretty easily. He's an okay player.

If we had more players like him who actually think before they kick the ball, we would be playing finals.
He is there as the "release " player as well.
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: WilliamPowell on May 09, 2012, 06:38:18 PM
Yes i am suggesting you all go it wrong. Sometimes you need to see things a couple of times to see what actually happened.

The Tv footages follows houlie as he trys to make ground to mark the ball then as he tries to collect it off the ground. There is nothing he has done that is not in the vision.

The ball takes one of those awkward bounces straight up, which can be seen on the vision. Houlie with eyes on the ball adjusts his pace accordingly but is then given a dont argue which stops him in his tracks.

It's not a case of the TV footage not showing what happened in front of you, it's that the TV footage doesn't show what you thought happened in front of you.

 If it had been someone who didnt have rep for not going hard at times, it wouldn't have even have stuck in the memory.

Perception often takes time to catch up with reality.

I think we will have to agree to disagree

Because I know what I and alot of other people saw on the day , I also know what I saw on the replay (and btw seeing I have it on DVD have watched it more than once & will watch a few more times) and the replay doesn't show what I saw. I know what  I saw on the day.

And BTW I don't think he's past reputation or any other players past plays any part in it.  IMV these things stick no matter who it is because it is something you rarely see from players these days; especially senior players.
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Willy on May 09, 2012, 08:25:30 PM
I saw it too, and its not the first time from Houli. That being said, all AFL players have 10 times the courage i have. Some players have more than others though. Bachar has some nice tools. Hardness is not one of them. But not everyone can be Stevie Morris.
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Jackstar is back again on May 09, 2012, 08:54:24 PM
And Willy.you don't want a team of Steve Morrris's either
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Willy on May 09, 2012, 09:31:37 PM
And Willy.you don't want a team of Steve Morrris's either

True. Would be nice if everyone had his courage and attack on the ball, though.
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: WilliamPowell on May 09, 2012, 10:02:29 PM
And Willy.you don't want a team of Steve Morrris's either

True. Would be nice if everyone had his courage and attack on the ball, though.

Agree and the Morris way is not something you can teach either
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Tigermonk on May 09, 2012, 10:04:31 PM
And Willy.you don't want a team of Steve Morrris's either

True. Would be nice if everyone had his courage and attack on the ball, though.

Agree and the Morris way is not something you can teach either

Morris is fast becoming my favorite player  :thumbsup
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Yeahright on May 09, 2012, 10:59:14 PM
no, he slowed because the ball bounced straight up and the eagles bloke then put his arm into houli's chest, stopping him in his tracks

not at any stage did houli take his eyes off the ball.

i'd suggest you have another look with a view to see what happened, not what you already believe happened.

Have you considered your wrong? Nearly everyone saw him drop his nuts apart from you. Chances are your wrong
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Penelope on May 10, 2012, 07:51:44 AM
Yeah i considered that, which is why i went and watched the replay a couple of times yet again. It was then that picked up on the  awkward high bounce of ball, something i had missed up to then.

I also know that there a plenty of times watching footy live that when you watch a replay who realise there are incidents that what you thought happened was not how it did actually happen. It also occurs when watching footy on TV.
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Yeahright on May 10, 2012, 10:26:30 AM
Yeah i considered that, which is why i went and watched the replay a couple of times yet again. It was then that picked up on the  awkward high bounce of ball, something i had missed up to then.

I also know that there a plenty of times watching footy live that when you watch a replay who realise there are incidents that what you thought happened was not how it did actually happen. It also occurs when watching footy on TV.

Fair enough. Also thought I saw it later in game in real time but I can't remember what quarter so havnt checked
Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: gerkin greg on May 10, 2012, 12:04:36 PM
"It's been good to see Jack in the next two weeks stepping up where we need him and he's been quite positive about his approach.

The next two weeks?

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Title: Re: We need Jack to step up: Houli (ABC)
Post by: Go Richo 12 on May 13, 2012, 08:08:33 AM
Everyone seems a have a hate on for Jack at the moment >:(
Maybe Houli should step up, take full steps when entering a contest not little ones, keeps his eyeys on the ball when entering a marking contest, not drop his head when contact is coming and keep his head over the ball.
Bachar proved me wrong yesterday :clapping