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Title: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: one-eyed on May 12, 2012, 02:09:45 PM
I've got the ABC game on in the background and Phil Cleary just confirmed Gus has been red carded. More to come at half-time.
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Penelope on May 12, 2012, 02:41:41 PM
 :lol Gus went all in?
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: one-eyed on May 12, 2012, 02:43:30 PM
Still no confirmation as to why Gus got sent off. It allegedly may have been for kicking?
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Owl on May 12, 2012, 02:49:21 PM
didn't pull a Setanta did he?
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Chuck17 on May 12, 2012, 02:50:44 PM
didn't pull a Setanta did he?

I would like to see that.
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Coach on May 12, 2012, 02:53:28 PM
:lol Yes :lol

I love Gus
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Coach on May 12, 2012, 02:53:54 PM
Maybe he slapped some woman. one in all in
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Chuck17 on May 12, 2012, 03:02:47 PM
LOL
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Coach on May 12, 2012, 03:04:37 PM
Red card what a joke. Who does this umpire think he is? Hardly see cards dished out these days at any level other than junior footy
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Penelope on May 12, 2012, 03:05:40 PM
must think he is on big footy..........
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Coach on May 12, 2012, 03:09:02 PM
must think he is on big footy..........

or Beige. Outdated is the red card.
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Coach on May 12, 2012, 03:13:47 PM
He kicked someone in the nuts apparently.

:outtahere
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Owl on May 12, 2012, 03:52:27 PM
In his defense he can claim his intent was always to kick the ball
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: WA Tiger on May 12, 2012, 03:56:39 PM
Great, Gus red carded and McGuanne gone for the year, better not have injuries today, we already have no depth... :-\
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: gerkin greg on May 12, 2012, 04:04:01 PM
No excuses
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on May 12, 2012, 04:33:54 PM
Great, Gus red carded and McGuanne gone for the year, better not have injuries today, we already have no depth... :-\
you really think Girl Graham and Mcgirlnne are regarded as depth??? 
 :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Coach on May 12, 2012, 04:35:49 PM
Great, Gus red carded and McGuanne gone for the year, better not have injuries today, we already have no depth... :-\
you really think Girl Graham and Mcgirlnne are regarded as depth??? 
 :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL

They are. Graham was 1st emergency for a month until last week. He was emergency again today. Did you seriously call McGuane a girl? He's close to the hardest player at the club

Take your issues to the footy club.
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: WA Tiger on May 12, 2012, 04:36:58 PM
No excuses

Hey I called injuries in mate......ask Coach....now be off with you.
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: WA Tiger on May 12, 2012, 04:37:44 PM
Great, Gus red carded and McGuanne gone for the year, better not have injuries today, we already have no depth... :-\
you really think Girl Graham and Mcgirlnne are regarded as depth??? 
 :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL

And your depth players are???????
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on May 12, 2012, 04:41:50 PM
Great, Gus red carded and McGuanne gone for the year, better not have injuries today, we already have no depth... :-\
you really think Girl Graham and Mcgirlnne are regarded as depth??? 
 :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL
And your depth players are???????
Not those duds. We don't really have any yet. Still a couple of years away. 
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: WA Tiger on May 12, 2012, 04:49:09 PM
Great, Gus red carded and McGuanne gone for the year, better not have injuries today, we already have no depth... :-\
you really think Girl Graham and Mcgirlnne are regarded as depth??? 
 :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL
And your depth players are???????
Not those duds. We don't really have any yet. Still a couple of years away.

So they are still our depth then..
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on May 12, 2012, 04:56:51 PM
Great, Gus red carded and McGuanne gone for the year, better not have injuries today, we already have no depth... :-\
you really think Girl Graham and Mcgirlnne are regarded as depth??? 
 :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL
And your depth players are???????
Not those duds. We don't really have any yet. Still a couple of years away.

So they are still our depth then..
I would rather call them list cloggers
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Smokey on May 12, 2012, 07:32:20 PM
In his defense he can claim his intent was always to kick the ball

No he can't, he never gets a kick so any attempt would have stood out as a malicious act against another player.

 ;D
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Chuck17 on May 13, 2012, 07:44:06 AM
Great, Gus red carded and McGuanne gone for the year, better not have injuries today, we already have no depth... :-\
you really think Girl Graham and Mcgirlnne are regarded as depth??? 
 :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL
And your depth players are???????
Not those duds. We don't really have any yet. Still a couple of years away.

So they are still our depth then..
I would rather call them list cloggers

x 2
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Judge Roughneck on May 13, 2012, 09:25:49 AM
I love how after decades of bagging wogball afl players getting red cards  :rollin :wallywink
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: The Big Richo on May 13, 2012, 08:41:53 PM
If Beefcake is suspended then we must take this to the Supreme Court.

Otherwise I will rescind my membership and encourage others to do the same.

This is Andrew Dunkley all over again.  :banghead
Title: Tribunal trouble for Tiger pair (Age)
Post by: one-eyed on May 15, 2012, 10:33:19 AM
As WP mentioned in another thread, Browne is also facing the VFL tribunal along with Gus ...

Tribunal trouble for Tiger pair
Brent Diamond
May 15, 2012



THE VFL tribunal faces another dilemma tonight when Richmond ruckmen Angus Graham and Andrew Browne fight separate charges from the Coburg-North Ballarat clash on Saturday.

Graham was reported - and red-carded - for allegedly kicking North Ballarat defender Michael Searl in the second term, while Browne's report was made yesterday after a review of video for contact with an umpire.

Graham and Browne are expected to be in the mix for a recall as back-up for Ivan Maric against Essendon big men Tom Bellchambers and Paddy Ryder in Saturday night's clash against the Bombers.

Browne, who is looking to add to his 12 AFL games, had another dominant match in the ruck for Coburg.

Tonight's three-man panel finds itself in another difficult position because of the byes in the VFL fixture, just a week after Geelong veteran David Wojcinski was handed just two matches for his heavy hit on Casey's Jack Viney last week. Wojcinski's penalty - on two counts, striking and charging - was effectively a stuff ban with the quirk of the VFL fixture being taking into account by the panel.

Every VFL club is forced to have four byes this season because some clubs participate in the Foxtel Cup; the re-introduction of the state league next week complicates things even further.

If Graham and Browne are given more than one week tonight, they will effectively be banned for two extra matches with the VFL's state league game against Tasmania on May 26 and Coburg having the bye in the following week.

A one-week suspension would mean they avoid the complication and miss only this week's clash against Williamstown - or Essendon in the AFL.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tribunal-trouble-for-tiger-pair-20120514-1yn20.html#ixzz1utTuu5n5
Title: Tigers kick themselves over red card (Herald-Sun)
Post by: one-eyed on May 15, 2012, 10:36:56 AM
Tigers kick themselves over red card

    Sam Landsberger
    From: Herald Sun
    May 15, 2012


RICHMOND'S VFL affiliate Coburg mistakenly played a man short for nearly 10 minutes on Saturday after Angus Graham was red-carded for kicking.

A two-match ban at tonight's tribunal could sideline the Richmond ruckman for a month, with Coburg having a double VFL bye.

Coburg general manager Jake McCauley said it had taken seven to nine minutes for the field umpires to confirm Graham could be replaced.

With the Coburg Tigers a man down, North Ballarat piled on three quick goals. The Tigers lost by 27 points.

"There was a little bit of confusion between our bench and the umpires on whether or not we were able to replace Angus straight away," McCauley said.

"We've got to hold our hands up as well. We should've known the rules and sent a player straight on. But it's very seldom you see any cards, let alone a red card."

Graham, 25, was sent off after fending off Michael Searl with a kick while lying on the ground after a mark.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/tigers-kick-themselves-over-red-card/story-e6frf9jf-1226355292443
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Jackstar is back again on May 15, 2012, 07:58:55 PM
Gus cleared
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Loui Tufga on May 15, 2012, 08:02:21 PM
Does he get his half a game of football back??
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Chuck17 on May 15, 2012, 08:03:29 PM
Does he get his half a game of football back??
yeh he should head down to the park now and wave his arms around a bit
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: WA Tiger on May 15, 2012, 08:07:15 PM
Gus cleared

Well that's good news, maybe we will bring him in and rest Vicks again..
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Coach on May 15, 2012, 08:19:04 PM
Does he get his half a game of football back??

Sounds like he was playing well until he went nut hunting.
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: one-eyed on May 15, 2012, 08:27:54 PM
RICHMOND ruckman Angus Graham has been was cleared of a serious kicking charge.

Graham beat the charge after pleading not guilty at a VFL Tribunal hearing.

The 201cm Tiger was sent off while playing for VFL affiliate Coburg last Sunday after he lashed out with his foot while laying on the ground.

Another Tigers big man Andrew Browne was fined $400 for colliding with a field umpire.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/tigers-kick-themselves-over-red-card/story-e6frf9jf-1226356642125
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: WA Tiger on May 15, 2012, 08:38:37 PM
Does he get his half a game of football back??

Sounds like he was playing well until he went nut hunting.
:lol
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: The Big Richo on May 15, 2012, 08:40:13 PM
Better than a Premiership.

Must play.
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Penelope on May 15, 2012, 09:17:00 PM
does that mean gus has one kick taken off his stats for the game?
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on May 15, 2012, 09:19:48 PM
does that mean gus has one kick taken off his stats for the game?

Depends was it a hardball get or an uncontested posession?
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Smokey on May 15, 2012, 09:20:03 PM
Gus cleared

Well that's good news, maybe we will bring him in and rest Vicks again..

If we do then it's not good news.
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: WA Tiger on May 15, 2012, 09:24:40 PM
Gus cleared

Well that's good news, maybe we will bring him in and rest Vicks again..

If we do then it's not good news.

It's good news he got off, maybe Vicks is actually injured and has been playing with an injury....would excuse his poor form....just maybe!
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Smokey on May 15, 2012, 09:35:31 PM

It's good news he got off,

Not if it means he plays seniors.
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: WA Tiger on May 15, 2012, 09:40:30 PM

It's good news he got off,

Not if it means he plays seniors.

God smoke, give him a break mate, he is better IMO than one we have in side now...just my opinion.
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Coach on May 15, 2012, 10:01:38 PM
Pull your head in ol' Smokey. Gus is working harder than last season and he's playing with more intensity. His ability was never in question.
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: 1965 on May 15, 2012, 10:02:40 PM
Better than a Premiership.

Must play.

Yes play him, even if just to shut these idiots up.

 :thumbsup
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: The Big Richo on May 15, 2012, 10:04:04 PM
Better than a Premiership.

Must play.

Yes play him, even if just to shut these idiots up.

 :thumbsup

You still here?

Gus is primed and ready, time to turn him loose.

Browne cut Essendon apart this game last year, Gus is now 10 times the player Browne will ever be.
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: one-eyed on May 15, 2012, 10:15:58 PM
Lack of clear evidence got Gus off...

Graham, 25, was sent off after allegedly kicking Searl while lying on the ground after a mark during the first half.

But tribunal chairman Eddie Power said the tribunal was unsure after watching footage of Graham's incident that his foot had made contact with Searl. Therefore a charge could not be sustained.

Browne, 21, was found guilty of handling umpire Jason Schilling and fined $400.

The tribunal ruled that while Browne had made contact with the umpire, it was not reckless, negligent or intentional.

The ball had been kicked to him and he'd bumped into the umpire without seeing him.


http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/135800/default.aspx
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: one-eyed on May 16, 2012, 02:32:36 AM
Gus has an ankle injury ...


Tiger beats charge
Brent Diamond
The Age
May 16, 2012


RICHMOND ruckman Angus Graham was last night cleared by the VFL tribunal of allegedly kicking North Ballarat defender Michael Searl at the weekend.

But Graham, who was red-carded for the incident in the second term while playing for Coburg, remains in doubt to take his place this week after he sustained an ankle injury in the marking contest against Searl.

His rolled ankle may rule him out of contention for a recall for Saturday night's AFL match against Essendon, in which he may have been the support for Ivan Maric against Bomber talls Tom Bellchambers and Paddy Ryder.

Graham argued at the VFL tribunal that he had put his leg out to "loosen" his ankle. The umpire believed the movement was intentional. "He's [Searl] hit my foot and it's put me off balance," Graham said.

"It's my left ankle, I've rolled it out and done all the ligaments in my ankle. It's swollen and bruised. Obviously it's busted it all and I was just in a lot of pain.''

Searl, who spoke via a conference call, said Graham had "lashed out" through frustration because of suffering an injury but admitted the kick had only "brushed" his right leg.

The three-man panel adjudicated that there was no contact with Searl from the kick.

Ruckman Andrew Browne was fined $400 for contact with an umpire in the same match but remains available for a recall to the Richmond team.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tiger-beats-charge-20120515-1yp2e.html#ixzz1uxNJYvjV
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Smokey on May 16, 2012, 05:20:03 AM

It's good news he got off,

Not if it means he plays seniors.

God smoke, give him a break mate, he is better IMO than one we have in side now...just my opinion.

Bit rich WAT, coming from someone who, on the very odd occasion, has a tap at poor old Shed!   ::)

He has less talent than Shed has in his little finger and has provided far less to the team over their respective careers thus far...just my opinion.
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Smokey on May 16, 2012, 05:31:24 AM
Pull your head in ol' Smokey. Gus is working harder than last season and he's playing with more intensity. His ability was never in question.

He might be working harder and playing with more intensity Coach but he still isn't up to AFL standard regardless and while I don't wish any bad luck or anything towards the guy I just don't ever want to see him in our senior team again.  I think his ability is the main thing in question to be honest - he is only a State League level player and will only ever be in my opinion.  Browne has been mentioned in the best players more often for Coburg this season and seems to have improved further than Graham, and I don't believe he will make it either but he has the upside of time on his side (for a ruckman), Graham is 25 this season in his 5th year at the club and just hasn't shown anywhere enough improvement or potential for mine.  You can't teach ticker and I don't think he has any.
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: The Big Richo on May 16, 2012, 09:07:56 AM
Terrible post.
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Jackstar is back again on May 16, 2012, 09:44:59 AM
Would play Gus this week
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: 1965 on May 16, 2012, 10:26:08 AM
Would play Gus this week

Out injured (ankle)

Post might be the way to go?
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: WA Tiger on May 16, 2012, 12:40:10 PM

It's good news he got off,

Not if it means he plays seniors.

God smoke, give him a break mate, he is better IMO than one we have in side now...just my opinion.

Bit rich WAT, coming from someone who, on the very odd occasion, has a tap at poor old Shed!   ::)

He has less talent than Shed has in his little finger and has provided far less to the team over their respective careers thus far...just my opinion.

Crap smoke....just my opinion.
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Coach on May 16, 2012, 05:47:06 PM
ol' Smokey,

BrownE got in the best players for the first time this weekend. Gus has been in there nearly every week whice is why he's been named 1st emergency 5 times for Richmond this season. Gus can play. Not sure if you've seen a Coburg game this season or watched any highlights? Graham has been good. I don't know if he's got the tank to play AFL level as a #1 ruck but the bloke does have SOME talent. I've seen him kick more at VFL level and his kicking is very solid. His marking has improved and like I said before, he's playing with more intensity and he's lifted his work rate. His 2011 was poohouse. I bagged him plenty of time. But I reckon in 09 and 10' he was a very solid young ruckman.

Not saying he's going to be at the club forever but he's the 2nd best ruckman this club has by an absolute mile. You won't see him get 'rotated' into the 3rds like Browne and Derickx.
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Chuck17 on May 16, 2012, 06:20:39 PM
Would play Gus this week

I would too without hesitation..................in the Coburg side
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Smokey on May 16, 2012, 06:34:35 PM
ol' Smokey,

BrownE got in the best players for the first time this weekend. Gus has been in there nearly every week whice is why he's been named 1st emergency 5 times for Richmond this season. Gus can play. Not sure if you've seen a Coburg game this season or watched any highlights? Graham has been good. I don't know if he's got the tank to play AFL level as a #1 ruck but the bloke does have SOME talent. I've seen him kick more at VFL level and his kicking is very solid. His marking has improved and like I said before, he's playing with more intensity and he's lifted his work rate. His 2011 was poohouse. I bagged him plenty of time. But I reckon in 09 and 10' he was a very solid young ruckman.

Not saying he's going to be at the club forever but he's the 2nd best ruckman this club has by an absolute mile. You won't see him get 'rotated' into the 3rds like Browne and Derickx.

I stand corrected Coach, your post made me go back through the old Coburg reports because I believed in my perception that Browne has had a very good start to the season but you are correct in that he has only just started to make the best in the past couple of weeks and Graham by contrast has been consistently in the best players.   :thumbsup

Unfortunately I still can't come around to your belief that he has "some" talent except at the level he is currently playing at.  I don't think he has the capacity at the top level and I base that on my observations of him over the past few seasons when he has played in the seniors.  IMHO he lacks the 'essentials' - heart, ability and footy brain.  At the end of the day I'm sure he is going to get a couple of chances this season and when he pulls on the jumper I will cheer for him (and support him) like every other player but I just can't get myself to believe he will make it.  He might end up making me look like a total dill (he wouldn't be the first  ;D ) and if he does then what a great win for the club but just like WAT can't jump on the Edwards train, likewise I will stand on the platform and watch what happens with the Big Caboose, trusting my instinct that he will be shunted to a siding and into AFL oblivion.
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: WA Tiger on May 16, 2012, 06:40:26 PM
ol' Smokey,

BrownE got in the best players for the first time this weekend. Gus has been in there nearly every week whice is why he's been named 1st emergency 5 times for Richmond this season. Gus can play. Not sure if you've seen a Coburg game this season or watched any highlights? Graham has been good. I don't know if he's got the tank to play AFL level as a #1 ruck but the bloke does have SOME talent. I've seen him kick more at VFL level and his kicking is very solid. His marking has improved and like I said before, he's playing with more intensity and he's lifted his work rate. His 2011 was poohouse. I bagged him plenty of time. But I reckon in 09 and 10' he was a very solid young ruckman.

Not saying he's going to be at the club forever but he's the 2nd best ruckman this club has by an absolute mile. You won't see him get 'rotated' into the 3rds like Browne and Derickx.

I stand corrected Coach, your post made me go back through the old Coburg reports because I believed in my perception that Browne has had a very good start to the season but you are correct in that he has only just started to make the best in the past couple of weeks and Graham by contrast has been consistently in the best players.   :thumbsup

Unfortunately I still can't come around to your belief that he has "some" talent except at the level he is currently playing at.  I don't think he has the capacity at the top level and I base that on my observations of him over the past few seasons when he has played in the seniors.  IMHO he lacks the 'essentials' - heart, ability and footy brain.  At the end of the day I'm sure he is going to get a couple of chances this season and when he pulls on the jumper I will cheer for him (and support him) like every other player but I just can't get myself to believe he will make it.  He might end up making me look like a total dill (he wouldn't be the first  ;D ) and if he does then what a great win for the club but just like WAT can't jump on the Edwards train, likewise I will stand on the platform and watch what happens with the Big Caboose, trusting my instinct that he will be shunted to a siding and into AFL oblivion.

Train wreck you mean..... ;D
Title: Re: Angus Graham red carded (sent off) in the VFL today
Post by: Coach on May 16, 2012, 06:44:31 PM
fair enough, Smokey. :thumbsup