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Tigers' tents stand-off
Caroline Wilson
The Age
June 21, 2012
RICHMOND'S uneasy relationship with its VFL partner Coburg is at breaking point with the Tigers becoming increasingly alarmed at the flow-on effect of the aligned club's perilous financial position.
Determined to establish its own VFL team, which could play regular home games at Punt Road from the start of 2014, Richmond could bring forward a stand-alone seconds side with Coburg struggling to meet the conditions of its licence agreement.
The Age believes Coburg's financial state has become a week-to-week proposition being closely monitored by the Tigers.
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Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has made no secret of his firm belief that a portion of the football money raised by the Fighting Tiger Fund should be directed towards the establishment of a Richmond VFL team in a bid to improve the development of young players and rehabilitation of injured and struggling-for-form senior footballers.
With Richmond pushing to play finals, continuing to eradicate its debt and facing a decent profit for 2012, Hardwick wants that stand-alone team next year.
The latest eyebrow-raiser where Coburg was concerned was when Richmond learnt that the VFL Tigers - potentially including Tyrone Vickery or Brad Miller, along with recovering players such as David Astbury and Kelvin Moore - had been booked to stay in a local caravan park for Coburg's relocated round-14 home game in Warrnambool early next month. The players have already had to endure a long bus journey when, early this month, the Coburg home game against Bendigo was relocated to Shepparton.
Richmond was forced to inject $40,000 to prop up Coburg's finances again last year on top of its annual six-figure alignment budget, which this season will be $270,000 including $200,000 in cash desperately needed by the VFL club. AFL Victoria and Richmond have told Coburg there will be no more funds.
AFL Victoria chairman Peter Jackson told The Age yesterday that his body had made it clear it would no longer step in to prop up clubs that were not financially viable. He said any licence agreement between an AFL and VFL-aligned club could be broken if the terms of the licence were not met.
''The issue with Richmond and Coburg rests with the licence agreement of Coburg and the ability of the two clubs to operate under the terms of that licence,'' Jackson said.
Coburg president Bill Balakis, whose network has provided the bulk of the club's sponsorship support, had to be persuaded to stay on at the start of this season after telling the Tigers he would be resigning from the position.
Richmond chief executive Brendon Gale has installed his football lieutenant, Craig Cameron, on the Coburg board in a bid to keep a close eye on the football relationship between the two clubs.
While Richmond has no issue with Coburg's football staff - led by part-time coach Adam Potter, who is a school teacher, the financial state of the club and the subsequent inadequate back-up has become increasingly unacceptable for the up-and-coming AFL Tigers.
Cameron, along with Essendon's general manager of football, Paul Hamilton, and VFL club CEOs Brendan Curry (Williamstown) and Mark Patterson (North Ballarat) have also met for the first time as part of a new working party established by AFL Victoria chief Grant Williams to put in place a plan for the future, which will see more clubs push to join Collingwood, Geelong and - from 2013 - Essendon to establish their own second-tier sides.
The Victorian AFL clubs with VFL alignments signed at the end of last season to a three-year moratorium to retain stability while an improved model was devised. All those three-year licence agreements can be broken if the terms of an agreement - which demands financial viability - is broken. An aligned licence costs $55,000 annually, with the clubs fielding their own teams, such as Collingwood, having to pay $190,000 as well as the additional costs of running a stand-alone side.
Formed in 1891, Coburg became aligned with Richmond in 2001 after a VFA/VFL first division history of six premierships along with two second-division VFA flags.
Coburg has a negligible membership and, having ceased to become an attractive breeding ground for elite young players, could cease to exist as a VFL side as early as next year.
AFL Victoria also has fears for the future of Bendigo once Essendon fields its own stand-alone team from next season.
''The second tier is crucial for player pathways, talent development, retaining our network of facilities and volunteers and sponsors and community engagement in Melbourne's growth areas,'' Jackson said. ''We've got to find a model that suits everyone's needs.''
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tigers-tents-standoff-20120620-20oju.html#ixzz1yMLhY8ll
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There is only one person working in the office at Coburg these days, i think you will find thats where the problem is.
The is being run into the ground off-field. Lack of sponsership etc generated from the Management leads to a lack of money to attract players other than the RFC listed players.
Its a sad state for a Club that was pretty well run a few years ago.
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I think Hardwick is totally correct in asking for a stand alone side but in saying that I hope Coburg survive.
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AFL has been very clever in all of this.
I wonder what their ultimate aim is/was?
Destroy the old VFA teams and revert to a Reserves comp?
:banghead
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Glad to see Caro has put up the numbers regarding the difference in the cost of licenses for aligned teams -v- stand alone AFL teams (eg the Geelongs, C'woods) remembering that is the license component only. The extra costs on top of that are incredibly high.
An interesting article I must say
There is only one person working in the office at Coburg these days, i think you will find thats where the problem is.
The is being run into the ground off-field. Lack of sponsership etc generated from the Management leads to a lack of money to attract players other than the RFC listed players.
Its a sad state for a Club that was pretty well run a few years ago.
True but going by its financials (annual report) over the last couple of years it suggest/shows the club was living beyonds it's means which will eventually bite you
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If there was a problem with coburg then why sign another 3 year agreement with them?
Stupid. :banghead
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If there was a problem with coburg then why sign another 3 year agreement with them?
Stupid. :banghead
Maybe because the 3 year agreement can be broken :whistle
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rumours around that a former football dept employee had his fingers in the till
was dismissed earlier this year
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If there was a problem with coburg then why sign another 3 year agreement with them?
Stupid. :banghead
perhaps because we had no ground to play on and no funds at the time to put towards the substantial costs involved.
trying to go alone under these circumstances would be stupid.
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Glad to see Caro has put up the numbers regarding the difference in the cost of licenses for aligned teams -v- stand alone AFL teams (eg the Geelongs, C'woods) remembering that is the license component only. The extra costs on top of that are incredibly high.
An interesting article I must say
There is only one person working in the office at Coburg these days, i think you will find thats where the problem is.
The is being run into the ground off-field. Lack of sponsership etc generated from the Management leads to a lack of money to attract players other than the RFC listed players.
Its a sad state for a Club that was pretty well run a few years ago.
True but going by its financials (annual report) over the last couple of years it suggest/shows the club was living beyonds it's means which will eventually bite you
Yep, when you see the difference in licence costs not to mention the everyday costs associated , you can understand why they wanted to wait an extra 3 years.
Does anybody know what the annual costs would be to run a standalone VFL side? Currently we spend $270k with coburg + $50k license fee. With a standalone it would be $190k license fee + ? costs..
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I believe the total cost was around $550k - $600k ?? For some reason I have that figure in my head, which covers licensing.
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The sooner we get our own stand-alone reserves team up and going the better. The flow on benefits will filter through to the top - just look at Colligwoods depth! The ability to practice your own game plan and development of players will inch us closer to number 11.
Go Tigers!!
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It has to be done.
Who cares about Coburg? It's all about our club, the Richmond Football Club.
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Does anybody know, what the annual costs would be to run a standalone VFL side? Currently we spend $270k with coburg + $50,k license fee. With a standalone it would be $190k license fee + ? costs..
I think the $270k was including the licence fee
Last year paid around that plus an additional $40k, so prob around $300k last year to be aligned with Coburg
$190k for a standalone licence + costs doesn't look so bad stacked against that
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The reserves competition should never have been disbanded in the first place!!!
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cheers lads,
and when you take into account that we should get a decent turnout at Punt road before the mcg games, some of that revenue generated would offset the extra costs you would think.
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:cheers
up there for thinking
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Will some games also be played at the G as curtain raisers like back in the day?
Anyone know when the last Richmond reserves games at Punt Road took place?
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The sooner we get our own stand-alone reserves team up and going the better. The flow on benefits will filter through to the top - just look at Colligwoods depth! The ability to practice your own game plan and development of players will inch us closer to number 11.
Go Tigers!!
well said. :thumbsup
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Would a Richmond Football Club seconds team be able to use different jumper sponsors to the senior team?
Attract a few more minor sponsors for the reserves jumper to help cover costs maybe?
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Would a Richmond Football Club seconds team be able to use different jumper sponsors to the senior team?
Attract a few more minor sponsors for the reserves jumper to help cover costs maybe?
Pretty sure Collingwood's VFL jumper has some of their lesser sponsors (Crazy Johns) on it, but can't see why you couldn't attract more. If we were playing games down at Punt Rd, I think there would be a few keen parties to get onto the jumper.
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(http://www.rennieellis.com.au/library/image/lg/richmond_players_dressing_room_mcg_1980.jpg)
I would imagine the demand for a Richmond jumper with the VFL logo on it would bring some nice merch dollars into the club :thumbsup
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stuff them off
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not having a go at going alone. just asking how would having our own reserves team alleviate some of the current on field problems we have now.
ie the tall situation. believe it or not 16 talls plus is about the average number of talls on clubs lists.you need this number to properly cater to injury depth and development.
when building more than 16 is the norm. we have three ruckmen derickx, graham and browne all playing in the one team derickx has been played everywhere but in the ruck to try to alleviate the problem. hes struggling to make matters worse we currently rotate talls back to the thirds to ensure they get a game every week and coburg is not more top heavy than it is.
you have mcguane, moore, darrou, wright and astbury all talls down back and possibly post
then you have miller post elton ohanlon and one of the ruckmen playing forward. where do you fit the mids and flankers in. in a stand alone team you still only have 22 positions to fill.you still have this problem.
in wa the dockers and eagles are looking to have stand alone teams but they ignore one big benefit. their players are all tied to wafl clubs and when they play seconds they at least play in position in teams that have good balance and structure.
not sure how collingwood and geelong get around this problem any one know?
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Will some games also be played at the G as curtain raisers like back in the day?
Anyone know when the last Richmond reserves games at Punt Road took place?
I remember watching Coburg Vs Bullants in 2005 at Punt Road before we smashed the Blues at the G by 80 points. It was the day Lids, Tambling, Meyer, Polo & Pattison played together for the first time in the one side
One N Foley collected 44 possessions for Coburg.
Had a brilliant day.
Bring it back.....
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not having a go at going alone. just asking how would having our own reserves team alleviate some of the current on field problems we have now.
ie the tall situation. believe it or not 16 talls plus is about the average number of talls on clubs lists.you need this number to properly cater to injury depth and development.
when building more than 16 is the norm. we have three ruckmen derickx, graham and browne all playing in the one team derickx has been played everywhere but in the ruck to try to alleviate the problem. hes struggling to make matters worse we currently rotate talls back to the thirds to ensure they get a game every week and coburg is not more top heavy than it is.
you have mcguane, moore, darrou, wright and astbury all talls down back and possibly post
then you have miller post elton ohanlon and one of the ruckmen playing forward. where do you fit the mids and flankers in. in a stand alone team you still only have 22 positions to fill.you still have this problem.
in wa the dockers and eagles are looking to have stand alone teams but they ignore one big benefit. their players are all tied to wafl clubs and when they play seconds they at least play in position in teams that have good balance and structure.
not sure how collingwood and geelong get around this problem any one know?
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The reserves competition should never have been disbanded in the first place!!!
The VFL was the big loser. Was a fantastic competition that has seen historic clubs lose their identities.
My father was president of Williamstown. I grew up with a crazy passion for the willy footy club. They lost me when they changed the theme song to the Collingwood song during that alignment.
Sadly it will never be the same as it was.
Shattered.
Old VFA/VFL clubs like Coburg are being spat out and it's a stuffing disgrace.
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Does anybody know, what the annual costs would be to run a standalone VFL side? Currently we spend $270k with coburg + $50,k license fee. With a standalone it would be $190k license fee + ? costs..
I think the $270k was including the licence fee
Last year paid around that plus an additional $40k, so prob around $300k last year to be aligned with Coburg
$190k for a standalone licence + costs doesn't look so bad stacked against that
Article says the $270k is made up of only $200k cash so that implies the other $70k is in the form of "contra" which makes sense
Just on the costs for running a stand alone VFL side a few years back Geelong said it was costing it around $500-$600k a year to run its VFL side and that was when the license fee was around $80 to $100k a season not the $190k it costs now.
Would think you need to budget $500k a year to do it.
Reckon it is just. A case of when now not if
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Will some games also be played at the G as curtain raisers
Highly doubtful up to the MCG and can't see them allowing it. Might get one a season but that's all
Would a Richmond Football Club seconds team be able to use different jumper sponsors to the senior team?
Attract a few more minor sponsors for the reserves jumper to help cover costs maybe?
Pretty sure Collingwood's VFL jumper has some of their lesser sponsors (Crazy Johns) on it, but can't see why you couldn't attract more. If we were playing games down at Punt Rd, I think there would be a few keen parties to get onto the jumper.
Spot on JVT, which = great idea wayne ;D
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If there was a problem with coburg then why sign another 3 year agreement with them?
Stupid. :banghead
There is a get out clause, something like being finacially viable rather than stuffed :shh
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Sadly it will never be the same as it was.
Shattered.
Old VFA/VFL clubs like Coburg are being spat out and it's a stuffing disgrace.
Agree Damo.
There was no need to do this, VFA could have found it's own niche without stealing from the AFL's vast coffers.
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It has to be done.
Who cares about Coburg? It's all about our club, the Richmond Football Club.
well finally someone with a brain.
Spot on
Im a member of the RFC not Coburg
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The reserves competition should never have been disbanded in the first place!!!
The VFL was the big loser. Was a fantastic competition that has seen historic clubs lose their identities.
My father was president of Williamstown. I grew up with a crazy passion for the willy footy club. They lost me when they changed the theme song to the Collingwood song during that alignment.
Sadly it will never be the same as it was.
Shattered.
Old VFA/VFL clubs like Coburg are being spat out and it's a stuffing disgrace.
Cry me a river, let coburg go it alone, theyd last about as long as a fart in the wind :shh
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*sniff*
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It has to be done.
Who cares about Coburg? It's all about our club, the Richmond Football Club.
well finally someone with a brain.
Spot on
Im a member of the RFC not Coburg
Rfc games at punt rd
With vfl on the jumper
Its as god intended.
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Cry me a river, let coburg go it alone, theyd last about as long as a fart in the wind :shh
Of course they can't survive in this inflated competition with increased salary caps etc
They were surviving at part of the old VFA/VFL and would have continued to survive.
And as for "cry me a river". Go stuff yourself.
How about you go and shove your "whoa's" straight up your arse!!
Someone offers a point of view angled at the bigger picture and replies indicate that this is crying a river, or of someone without a brain (cheers Dan).
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Love your work, Damo. I'd love our own magoos but I'd still wish Coburg well when we part with them.
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*sniff*
Gotcha :lol
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Love your work, Damo. I'd love our own magoos but I'd still wish Coburg well when we part with them.
Bottom line.
Too many football clubs at all levels have disappeared in the last 20 years.
These self anointed custodians of our game are doing a great job.
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For sure, just have a look at this case with Geelong now, they feel that they are a law unto themselves now, they don't even have to wait for a charge to be laid to lay their punishment. They can tell if your guilty just by the fact that there was an accusation! If your an umpire of course your innocent, if your a player your guilty without charge.
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It has to be done.
Who cares about Coburg? It's all about our club, the Richmond Football Club.
well finally someone with a brain.
Spot on
Im a member of the RFC not Coburg
Rfc games at punt rd
With vfl on the jumper
Its as god intended.
could you imagine the extra revenue they would get with the RFC VFL returning to Punt Road.
Massive especially if a curtain raiser included a top club
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could you imagine the extra revenue they would get with the RFC VFL returning to Punt Road.
Massive especially if a curtain raiser included a top club
You are right daniel about revenues if the games are played as curtain raiser but what about the games that wont be?
And don't for a minute think all games will be scheduled as curtain raisers
Dont think the club would end up making much from non curtain raiser games.
Actually would think it could cost them money to be honest simply because the club would need to pay the Dobby Boyle and his council to open the car park and that costs huge money.
And TBBH based on the rubbish that the VFL call their "Draw" makes you wonder how it would all work scheduling wise.
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not having a go at going alone. just asking how would having our own reserves team alleviate some of the current on field problems we have now.
ie the tall situation. believe it or not 16 talls plus is about the average number of talls on clubs lists.you need this number to properly cater to injury depth and development.
when building more than 16 is the norm. we have three ruckmen derickx, graham and browne all playing in the one team derickx has been played everywhere but in the ruck to try to alleviate the problem. hes struggling to make matters worse we currently rotate talls back to the thirds to ensure they get a game every week and coburg is not more top heavy than it is.
you have mcguane, moore, darrou, wright and astbury all talls down back and possibly post
then you have miller post elton ohanlon and one of the ruckmen playing forward. where do you fit the mids and flankers in. in a stand alone team you still only have 22 positions to fill.you still have this problem.
in wa the dockers and eagles are looking to have stand alone teams but they ignore one big benefit. their players are all tied to wafl clubs and when they play seconds they at least play in position in teams that have good balance and structure.
not sure how collingwood and geelong get around this problem any one know?
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By the rolly eyes you either dont understand, a not unusual thing for you, or you dont know. an even more common thing with you. If you insist on acting like a idiot head all the time one will assume you are exactly that.
What is the rolly eyes thing anyway? some childish attempt at sarcasm.
I will assume on this occasion its the former and you dont understand what was being asked. So will ask again hopefully in a way your 10 yr old brain can comprehend.
How does having a stand alone team alleviate the current problem of playing 3 ruckmen 5 tall defenders and 4 tall forwards in the one team?
How do collingwood and geelong get around this problem?
How do they fit all of their talls into one reserve team and still play enough mids etc?
Geelong have the same number of talls as us on their list, in Collingwoods case more. Yet dont seem to have this structural problem that we have at coburg of trying to fit so many talls into one team thus not playing enough mids. thus playing pretty ordinarily most weeks.
just a few questions that i would have thought deserve a civil answer. instead of the 10 yr old rolly eyes behavior of someone who clearly doesnt have a clue..
you know the old saying of.
its better to remain quiet and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. sort of sums you up to a tee.
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Don't worry, it's not all roses at Collingwood VFL level. They got belted by just over a hundred a few weeks back.
The benefit of having your own (or our own) VFL is having a 100% hand in the development and teaching of the blokes there. It also means you don't have to play anyone in the development league which is a massive step down from VFL firsts.
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are you saying that geelong and collingwood dont have a restriction on the number of alf listed players they can play in the vfl when playing against non aligned teams?
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are you saying that geelong and collingwood dont have a restriction on the number of alf listed players they can play in the vfl when playing against non aligned teams?
al, previously they had no restriction during the H&A season but did during the finals. But that may have changed since the VFL have more than double their (Cats/Pies) licence fees ;D
But both the Cats & Pies are required to have a minimum number of "non" AFL players listed - it used to be 10 but not sure if that's still the minimum number
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when you say they, you mean collingwood and geelong?
these two can play any number of afl listed players in any game, where as sides like coburg have a restriction on the number of afl listed player when playing non affiliated teams?
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not having a go at going alone. just asking how would having our own reserves team alleviate some of the current on field problems we have now.
ie the tall situation. believe it or not 16 talls plus is about the average number of talls on clubs lists.you need this number to properly cater to injury depth and development.
when building more than 16 is the norm. we have three ruckmen derickx, graham and browne all playing in the one team derickx has been played everywhere but in the ruck to try to alleviate the problem. hes struggling to make matters worse we currently rotate talls back to the thirds to ensure they get a game every week and coburg is not more top heavy than it is.
you have mcguane, moore, darrou, wright and astbury all talls down back and possibly post
then you have miller post elton ohanlon and one of the ruckmen playing forward. where do you fit the mids and flankers in. in a stand alone team you still only have 22 positions to fill.you still have this problem.
in wa the dockers and eagles are looking to have stand alone teams but they ignore one big benefit. their players are all tied to wafl clubs and when they play seconds they at least play in position in teams that have good balance and structure.
not sure how collingwood and geelong get around this problem any one know?
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By the rolly eyes you either dont understand, a not unusual thing for you, or you dont know. an even more common thing with you. If you insist on acting like a idiot head all the time one will assume you are exactly that.
What is the rolly eyes thing anyway? some childish attempt at sarcasm.
I will assume on this occasion its the former and you dont understand what was being asked. So will ask again hopefully in a way your 10 yr old brain can comprehend.
How does having a stand alone team alleviate the current problem of playing 3 ruckmen 5 tall defenders and 4 tall forwards in the one team?
How do collingwood and geelong get around this problem?
How do they fit all of their talls into one reserve team and still play enough mids etc?
Geelong have the same number of talls as us on their list, in Collingwoods case more. Yet dont seem to have this structural problem that we have at coburg of trying to fit so many talls into one team thus not playing enough mids. thus playing pretty ordinarily most weeks.
just a few questions that i would have thought deserve a civil answer. instead of the 10 yr old rolly eyes behavior of someone who clearly doesnt have a clue..
you know the old saying of.
its better to remain quiet and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. sort of sums you up to a tee.
What is the point you are trying to make? RFC should not field a stand alone club due to a lack of mids on the list?
Did you ever think we will draft some more? you know, that upcomming 'superdraft'..
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Why don't all teams just have a 'reserves' and play the other AFL sides in scratch matches each weekend?
No need for a competition, just play each other over and over again.
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when you say they, you mean collingwood and geelong?
these two can play any number of afl listed players in any game, where as sides like coburg have a restriction on the number of afl listed player when playing non affiliated teams?
Yes - "they" means C'wood & Geelong
As I said previously they had no restriction during H&A games but had the same 12/10 rule restrictions applied during finals
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not having a go at going alone. just asking how would having our own reserves team alleviate some of the current on field problems we have now.
ie the tall situation. believe it or not 16 talls plus is about the average number of talls on clubs lists.you need this number to properly cater to injury depth and development.
when building more than 16 is the norm. we have three ruckmen derickx, graham and browne all playing in the one team derickx has been played everywhere but in the ruck to try to alleviate the problem. hes struggling to make matters worse we currently rotate talls back to the thirds to ensure they get a game every week and coburg is not more top heavy than it is.
you have mcguane, moore, darrou, wright and astbury all talls down back and possibly post
then you have miller post elton ohanlon and one of the ruckmen playing forward. where do you fit the mids and flankers in. in a stand alone team you still only have 22 positions to fill.you still have this problem.
in wa the dockers and eagles are looking to have stand alone teams but they ignore one big benefit. their players are all tied to wafl clubs and when they play seconds they at least play in position in teams that have good balance and structure.
not sure how collingwood and geelong get around this problem any one know?
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By the rolly eyes you either dont understand, a not unusual thing for you, or you dont know. an even more common thing with you. If you insist on acting like a idiot head all the time one will assume you are exactly that.
What is the rolly eyes thing anyway? some childish attempt at sarcasm.
I will assume on this occasion its the former and you dont understand what was being asked. So will ask again hopefully in a way your 10 yr old brain can comprehend.
How does having a stand alone team alleviate the current problem of playing 3 ruckmen 5 tall defenders and 4 tall forwards in the one team?
How do collingwood and geelong get around this problem?
How do they fit all of their talls into one reserve team and still play enough mids etc?
Geelong have the same number of talls as us on their list, in Collingwoods case more. Yet dont seem to have this structural problem that we have at coburg of trying to fit so many talls into one team thus not playing enough mids. thus playing pretty ordinarily most weeks.
just a few questions that i would have thought deserve a civil answer. instead of the 10 yr old rolly eyes behavior of someone who clearly doesnt have a clue..
you know the old saying of.
its better to remain quiet and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. sort of sums you up to a tee.
What is the point you are trying to make? RFC should not field a stand alone club due to a lack of mids on the list?
Did you ever think we will draft some more? you know, that upcomming 'superdraft'..
do i even bother hmm i dont know but i will..
im not making a point im asking a few questions. and my very first sentence said im not having a go at going alone. im trying to find out how collingwood and geelong get around a problem or two and all i get is childish faces and stupid questions. if you dont understand or cant answer the questions why be a smart arse in the first place.
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Why don't all teams just have a 'reserves' and play the other AFL sides in scratch matches each weekend?
No need for a competition, just play each other over and over again.
Who the stuff would go and watch a pointless scratch match?
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Weirdos like us who are interested in our young players' development.
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Yeah, players would develop pretty well if they were playing scratch matches every week. If you are interested in seeing our young blokes then head to Coburg you fat poo
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Claw - if cwood geelong can do it why cant we?
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Claw - if cwood geelong can do it why cant we?
top post Bents. And you can add the bumbers to that list aswell because unlike our footy club they haven't chickened out as we did but cut ties with bendigo & got in early for next season as we shouldve done.
I was amazed when I found out we resigned with coburg for 3 more years
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Claw - if cwood geelong can do it why cant we?
top post Bents. And you can add the bumbers to that list aswell because unlike our footy club they haven't chickened out as we did but cut ties with bendigo & got in early for next season as we shouldve done.
I was amazed when I found out we resigned with coburg for 3 more years
Where's the money tree that we can just pluck the money from to have our own team up and running by next year?
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when you say they, you mean collingwood and geelong?
these two can play any number of afl listed players in any game, where as sides like coburg have a restriction on the number of afl listed player when playing non affiliated teams?
Yes - "they" means C'wood & Geelong
As I said previously they had no restriction during H&A games but had the same 12/10 rule restrictions applied during finals
Thats just stuffed. Everyone should have the same rules
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Claw - if cwood geelong can do it why cant we?
top post Bents. And you can add the bumbers to that list aswell because unlike our footy club they haven't chickened out as we did but cut ties with bendigo & got in early for next season as we shouldve done.
I was amazed when I found out we resigned with coburg for 3 more years
Perhaps essendon had both the finances and a ground to play on?
I'm glad that those running the show no longer take such a simpleton short term view on these things that has seen us wallow in mediocrity for so long.
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Bad luck for coburg but glad when it's over
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Claw - if cwood geelong can do it why cant we?
agree not arguing about that.im for our own seconds team. all im asking is does anyone know how they get around fitting in all their players into their reserves side especially talls. if they are getting it right we need to learn from them.
can anyone tell me does that include both a vfl senior and reserves side because thats the only way i can see it working.
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Go the second team for mine...better look at players true form and a natural development path for our future players....GOOD MOVE!
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Claw - if cwood geelong can do it why cant we?
agree not arguing about that.im for our own seconds team. all im asking is does anyone know how they get around fitting in all their players into their reserves side especially talls. if they are getting it right we need to learn from them.
can anyone tell me does that include both a vfl senior and reserves side because thats the only way i can see it working.
They have non-AFL listed players in the side to help the balance and cover the balance. It's not perfect in regards to win a VFL flag, but it gives the club more control over the development. It's also a good chance to nuture or uncover some young blokes who didn't develop in time for the draft. While you made a good point about the WC players in the WAFL, that's one team of players spread among numerous sides. It's not the same luxury in the VFL with so many clubs.
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The Coburg G.M. on VFL Radio at half-time said Caro is entitled to her journalistic opinion but she didn't get her facts right. The Coburg and Richmond players will be staying in a hotel down at Warrnambool and it's been booked for months.
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The Coburg G.M. on VFL Radio at half-time said Caro is entitled to her journalistic opinion but she didn't get her facts right. The Coburg and Richmond players will be staying in a hotel down at Warrnambool and it's been booked for months.
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nothing wrong with these? :shh
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The Coburg G.M. on VFL Radio at half-time said Caro is entitled to her journalistic opinion but she didn't get her facts right. The Coburg and Richmond players will be staying in a hotel down at Warrnambool and it's been booked for months.
Hmm but what about the rest of the article GM Jake? ;) ;D
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The sooner we break away from Coburg the better. Sadly we seem stuck with them until 2015 :help.
The benefit of having an affiliate is meant to be to provide senior mature bodies with at least VFL ability and a decent team structure in which your juniors can develop around before progressing up to AFL level. That is not happening at Coburg. How are you meant to develop our younger players in an utter rabble who turn over the ball constantly and are so unaccountable they are constantly outnumbered at both ends of the ground?!
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President of Coburg just on ABC being interviewed by Phil Cleary.
He just said Coburg will go it alone at the end of the 2013 season which is a year earlier than planned.
So Richmond will have its own VFL side in 2014.
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President of Coburg just on ABC being interviewed by Phil Cleary.
He just said Coburg will go it alone at the end of the 2013 season which is a year earlier than planned.
So Richmond will have its own VFL side in 2014.
Yep just started a new thread so it doesn't get lost :laugh: