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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on August 16, 2012, 01:55:23 AM
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Trent Cotchin Richmond's best player since Kevin Bartlett
Mark Stevens
From: Herald Sun
August 15, 2012 10:00PM
PUNT RD ''Post KB'' has been a desolate place.
Great players have come and gone, but since Kevin Bartlett retired in 1983 Richmond has played in two finals series - 1995 and 2001.
Wayne Campbell played 297 games, Matthew Richardson 282, Matthew Knights 279, Dale Weightman 274, Joel Bowden 265 and Brendon Gale 244.
All, barring Weightman, played their entire careers "Post KB'', with the man they call "Flea'' going into battle from 1978-1993.
But there is a massive ray of hope. The best player since "KB" is now in the Tigers' midst.
His name is Trent Cotchin.
It is a massive calll given the quality of the other names mentioned.
Weightman played in a premiership and his sheer class and hardness stood out for all to see in State-of-Origin games.
Bartlett himself rates Campbell, a man he coached, extremely highly.
And "Richo" is "Richo", the most loved of all - and a player that went agonisingly close to winning a Brownlow Medal.
But Cotchin could win a Brownlow this September and pocket a few more along the way.
At 22, he is already clearly the best player at Tigerland after only 64 games.
Champion Data rates Cotchin as elite in all key midfield categories this year, bar one - clearances, where is in the above average category.
He is averaging 26.9 disposals, 12.3 contested possessions, 438m gained, five inside-50 entries, 7.7 score involvements and 1.1 goals a game.
All those figures are elite, or in the top 10 per cent of the competition, under the Champion Data formula.
He has managed those numbers despite being tagged each week.
The undermmaned Dogs had to free up their usual tagger Liam Picken last Sunday to win some of the ball himself and we saw the destruction that followed.
With the Dogs somehow back within a goal in the early stages of the third term, Hardwick put Cotchin back into the middle and he almost single-handedly turned the tide.
It is difficult to throw forward, and there is always a risk in pulling out the crystal ball, but Cotchin shows all the qualiites of a captain and 300-game player.
Hardboiled may end up wrong, but "Cotch" looks the one.
It is impossible to rank Cotchin No.1 "Post KB" right now. That would be an insult to the other greats ... even though you might already sneak him into the top five.
But for the sake of this exercise let's fast forward five years to the end of the 2017 season.
Richmond, no doubt, will have added some more finals appearances by then, with the help of Cotchin. And Brett Deledio and Dustin Martin may have staked strong claims.
Again, this is an excerise in predicting the future.
We are leaving Michael Roach out of the running because his best footy was played with KB around.
So here we go, the crystall ball top 10 "Post KB" players at the end of 2017...
TIGERLAND CRYSTAL BALL - TOP 10 BEST RICHMOND PLAYERS "POST KB" ERA 1984-2017
1. Trent Cotchin
2. Matthew Richardson
3. Dale Weightman
4. Wayne Campbell
5. Matthew Knights
6. Brett Deledio
7. Dustin Martin
8. Jack Riewoldt
9. Joel Bowden
10. Brendon Gale
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/expert-opinion/trent-cotchin-richmonds-best-player-since-kevin-bartlett/story-fncqi979-1226451094856
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Not sure why Shane Edwards isn't in that list :banghead
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Lids 3rd
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Knights > Campbell
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Knights > Campbell
:thumbsup
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Where's milzay???
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Where's milzay???
Finished 12th, just behind Matty Dea
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Just liostening to Tim Watson pump up Chimps tyres to mega truck status.
also asking callers to send in a txt or call regarding seeing cotch do any good deeds in public.
Trying to moz him so his son has better chance at brownlow imo, always playing the mind games is tim
Cotch is better than that and you will see :shh
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Bartlett? Pffft!
didn't win his own ball, too light, got pushed off the ball to easily, not a team player, no defensive skills...................
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Talk about an embarrasment of riches :clapping
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:lol
post of the week!
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Bartlett? Pffft!
didn't win his own ball, too light, got pushed off the ball to easily, not a team player, no defensive skills...................
:rollin
And funny because it is so true! :lol
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Bartlett = Poor mans Nahas.......
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Where's milzay???
Finished 12th, just behind Matty Dea
Some bloke came into work just to ask me why Matty Dea wasn't on the list
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Where's milzay???
Finished 12th, just behind Matty Dea
Some bloke came into work just to ask me why Matty Dea wasn't on the list
What did you tell him?
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lets see if he manages to play
in 5 flags before we start
bestowing him the greatest
tag.
if he does we'll all be doing
this quite a lot :cheers :cheers :cheers
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i dont agree with premierships being a measure of a players greatness. One man can only drag a whole team so far.
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Jump on and vote for the Chimp.
Debate: Cameron Mooney says it's premature to hail Trent Cotchin as the AFL's premier midfielder
By staff writers
FOX SPORTS
August 17, 2012 12:43PM
Former Geelong forward Cameron Mooney reckons Wayne Carey has "jumped the gun" by hailing Richmond star Trent Cotchin as the best midfielder in the AFL.
Carey, regarded by many as the greatest player in VFL/AFL history, made the bold claim in a website column this week following another supreme performance from the 22-year-old Tiger.
Cotchin amassed 35 disposals and three goals in Richmond's win over the Bulldogs and has averaged almost 27 possessions per outing in 2012.
Do Trent Cotchin's 2012 stats justify the hype? Check out his numbers at our AFL stats page and give us your verdict.
Mooney is among Cotchin's many admirers, but believes the likes of Gary Ablett, Scott Pendlebury and Chris Judd still rule the AFL's midfield elite.
"It's a big call from 'Duck'. He might have jumped the gun on that one," Mooney said on FOX FOOTY's AFL 360.
"He will be (No.1) next year or the year after, no question.
"The way he wins his own ball, breaks away from the pack with it ... he's a great decision maker and goes forward now and kicks goals.
"He's got great hands, he tackles, he's ferocious and has leadership written all over him."
AFL 360 co-host Mark Robinson said Cotchin's improvement is yet to be tested in September.
"It's great to say he's the best midfielder, but I think you need big finals games and premierships before you can say that," Robinson said.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/debate-cameron-mooney-says-its-premature-to-hail-trent-cotchin-as-the-afls-premier-midfielder/story-e6frf3e3-1226452545012 (http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/debate-cameron-mooney-says-its-premature-to-hail-trent-cotchin-as-the-afls-premier-midfielder/story-e6frf3e3-1226452545012)
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How many games did Robbo the yobbo play?
I guess fools are even allowed to have an opinion!!!
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"It's great to say he's the best midfielder, but I think you need big finals games and premierships before you can say that," Robinson said.
So i wonder how this fat faced fool rates bobby skilton, if thats the criteria? :wallywink
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How many games did Robbo the yobbo play?
I guess fools are even allowed to have an opinion!!!
look good point, would love to see cotch stand up in september and im sure he will
But Robbos idea of playing in september would be sitting down on his sofa, feet up on the coffer table. Pickin the lint out of his belly button.
overfilled ash tray on floor, empty bottles on coffee table and open and empty pizza boxes scattered around the floor. did I miss something?? :help
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Yes that's him auditioning to be Santa in three months time
He humiliated people like Bobby , Richo ,flower,etc who were all champions but lacked talent around them to give them the opportunity to play in September
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"It's great to say he's the best midfielder, but I think you need big finals games and premierships before you can say that," Robinson said.
So i wonder how this fat faced fool rates bobby skilton, if thats the criteria? :wallywink
Absolutely :rollin
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Bartlett = Poor mans Nahas.......
Was about to post the same. Nahas has superior defensive skills too.
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Cotchin is a superstar already.
And most importantly played well against the carlscum in both games this year. :thumbsup
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How many games did Robbo the yobbo play?
I guess fools are even allowed to have an opinion!!!
look good point, would love to see cotch stand up in september and im sure he will
But Robbos idea of playing in september would be sitting down on his sofa, feet up on the coffer table. Pickin the lint out of his belly button.
overfilled ash tray on floor, empty bottles on coffee table and open and empty pizza boxes scattered around the floor. did I miss something?? :help
Hey nothing wrong with being like that ;D :thumbsup you made me laugh
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"It's great to say he's the best midfielder, but I think you need big finals games and premierships before you can say that," Robinson said.
So i wonder how this fat faced fool rates bobby skilton, if thats the criteria? :wallywink
or Robert Harvey
or Robert Flower
or Robert "Scratcher" Neal.
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How many games did Robbo the yobbo play?
I guess fools are even allowed to have an opinion!!!
look good point, would love to see cotch stand up in september and im sure he will
But Robbos idea of playing in september would be sitting down on his sofa, feet up on the coffer table. Pickin the lint out of his belly button.
overfilled ash tray on floor, empty bottles on coffee table and open and empty pizza boxes scattered around the floor. did I miss something?? :help
Hey nothing wrong with being like that ;D :thumbsup you made me laugh
Lol fair enough.
But I bet your not wearing pantyhose like he is when he's lounging? Or lipstick? Hahaha
I have now renamed and will refer to him as Flobbo from now on :lol
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What about Christopher Newman??
:shh ;)
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Random fact
The most pretty city in India called cotchin
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Upon much reflection, I'd like to nominate Dusty
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1) Martin
2) Rance
3) Richardson
4) Cotchin
5) Knights
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That's why I keep trying to vote him as my favourite player but many keep voting against me! :snidegrin
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That's why I keep trying to vote him as my favourite player but many keep voting against me! :snidegrin
;D that's a game, this is for real :shh
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1) Martin
2) Rance
3) Richardson
4) Cotchin
5) Knights
Dead right, cept at the moment I reckon a tie for 4th Cotchin and Knights.
If we were talkin the most entertaining for rage and dummy spits, GO RICHO for No. 1 :lol