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Title: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on August 16, 2012, 12:47:06 PM
Tigers Miller, Moore to announce retirement
STEVE BUTLER
The West Australian
August 16, 2012


Richmond's Brad Miller and Kelvin Moore are expected to announce their retirement today after informing the playing group this morning.

Speaking to the media this morning, Tigers coach Damien Hardwick wouldn't confirm the news but said "some announcements" would follow shortly.

Moore, 28, has only managed 87 games since 2002 in a career dogged by injury, culminating in a hip reconstruction which sidelined him for almost a season and a half before his round 16 return this season.

Miller joined the Tigers last year after being de-listed by Melbourne, where he played 133 games since 2002.

The 29-year-old has been in and out of the side this year.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/14567155/tigers-miller-moore-to-announce-retirement/

And here's the official confirmation that they have both retired:

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/144762/default.aspx
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: JVT on August 16, 2012, 12:47:32 PM
Tiger pair bow out

Richmond defender Kelvin Moore and forward Brad Miller have announced their retirements from AFL football, effective immediately.

The pair informed the playing group, at the Club this morning, of their decision to hang up their boots.

. . . . . .

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/144762/default.aspx (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/144762/default.aspx)
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: JVT on August 16, 2012, 12:48:07 PM
One-eyed is too quick  :rollin
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: gerkin greg on August 16, 2012, 12:51:04 PM
Thanks for yr efforts lads  :clapping
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: JVT on August 16, 2012, 12:52:47 PM
Well done to both and all the best for their futures.  :thumbsup :cheers
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on August 16, 2012, 12:54:36 PM
One-eyed is too quick  :rollin
The West Aussie had the news just before it was posted on twitter and the RFC site  :cheers.
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: dwaino on August 16, 2012, 01:05:38 PM
Moore came back from the brink to play footy at the top level when many said he couldn't. Miller came in and filled a role. Thanks to both of the boys and best of luck in the future  :clapping
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: WA Tiger on August 16, 2012, 01:11:32 PM
Really feel for Moore, could of been the difference this year had he been fit, another waste of a career riddled by a cruel injury!
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: Eat_em_Alive on August 16, 2012, 01:17:39 PM
I was actually thinking this morning I'd hope they'd announce retirement soon, however be brought back in the last rd at the G to give em a proper send off.

Thankyou for your contributions gents, but I'm dissapointed they could at least come and play the last game for a send off
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on August 16, 2012, 01:17:48 PM
 :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers
 :birthday
 :woohoo :woohoo :woohoo
 :invasion :jump
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: Willy on August 16, 2012, 01:18:42 PM
All the best two these two who gave their all.
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: Phil Mrakov on August 16, 2012, 01:41:49 PM
Our Brad should have got a 5 year deal. Coach will be fuming!
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: Dubstep Dookie on August 16, 2012, 02:08:35 PM
:cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers
 :birthday
 :woohoo :woohoo :woohoo
 :invasion :jump

Have some respect for the lads pls
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: Penelope on August 16, 2012, 02:11:06 PM
he's just disappointed that miller prevented griffiths from playing injured or elton playing too early and having his confidence shattered
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: Dubstep Dookie on August 16, 2012, 02:31:26 PM
he's just disappointed that miller prevented griffiths from playing injured or elton playing too early and having his confidence shattered

Hmmmm.....
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: TigerTimeII on August 16, 2012, 02:42:38 PM
PIA
WE WILL MISS YOU
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: Judge Roughneck on August 16, 2012, 02:47:17 PM
Thank god. Bye bye brad
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: rogerd3 on August 16, 2012, 02:48:41 PM
getting in early good to see
the tiges getting their house
in order before we back up
the free agent bus. :shh
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on August 16, 2012, 03:23:52 PM
Who is now going to give those nice handballs out the back???? :gobdrop
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: Mr Magic on August 16, 2012, 03:58:15 PM
Kel Moore was a very handy footballer at his best pre injuries for a couple of seasons there.
Certainly the best out of Thursfield he and McGuane.
Fortunately we have young Grimey as a very able replacement.
Best of luck to him.

Miller was lucky to get a 2nd shot. Offered little.
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: tigercub2012 on August 16, 2012, 04:21:22 PM
i am saddened by Kelvin retiring
all his efforts top get back up basically must have not been right or the same
In Brad's case probably a failed project BUT WORTH the look
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: Rodgerramjet on August 16, 2012, 04:22:12 PM
Good to see the club on the front foot and making the right decisions early.

Good luck in the future to both boys. The right decision was made today on both counts.
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: Phil Mrakov on August 16, 2012, 04:36:28 PM
Can't believe the club has killed our Brad's career.. Who will handball out the back now? :(
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: one-eyed on August 16, 2012, 05:24:34 PM
VIDEO: Richo talks to Kel about his decision to retire ...

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roar%20vision%20archive/tabid/11454/contentid/480124/default.aspx


No more for Kel
richmondfc.com.au
4:29 PM Thu 16 Aug, 2012


Kel Moore made his decision to retire as a Richmond player a couple of days ago, after weighing up the short-term benefits of an AFL career compared with his long-term well-being.

Moore underwent surgery on his troublesome hip numerous times, in a desperate attempt to return to the playing field with the Tigers.

To his great credit, he succeeded, making his long-awaited comeback in the Round 16 clash with Gold Coast at Cairns, followed by two other senior appearances.

But, as he told Tiger great, Matthew Richardson, in a special “Roar Vision” interview today, he knew the time had come for him to hang up his boots . . .

“You just know when the time is right, you just can’t go on,” Moore said.

“It was a real battle to get back.

Read the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/144798/default.aspx
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 16, 2012, 05:59:16 PM

Miller was lucky to get a 2nd shot. Offered little.

Don't think the player group would agree with you there.

Brad Miller was bought to the Club for a specific reason/purpose and fulfilled that role exactly the way the Dimma wanted

As for Kel Moore, I reckon he has made the absolute right decision. Full credit to him to come back and play after missing 2 years of footy
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: eliminator on August 16, 2012, 06:01:37 PM
Good luck to both of them. They should be thanked for their contribution to the club. Moore showed alot of guts determination and bravery to come back from that injury. Both have made a decision in the best interests of the club and should be congratulated for it. Bar for injuries Moore would have had a long career. Moore's injury cut him down when he was getting back to his best. Miller played some okay games for the club.
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on August 16, 2012, 06:04:46 PM
Personally hated the Miller call when drafted but he did his role and was selfless as a clubman which cannot be under estimated at tiger land. Kel on the other hand should've listened to the doctors last year. He rolled the dice and came up way short, hope it doesn't impact his quality of life later on
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: the claw on August 16, 2012, 06:23:20 PM
always thought kelvin a good solid citizen when fit.
what i dont get is why we kept him on the list for two yrs only to see him rtire after 2 games  back.
surely we kept him not in hope that he could come good but we were pretty sure he would come good and give two or three yrs of good service. i was happy for us to keep him as long as there was a decent dividend for us as a club.
surely we as a club should have talked him into retirement 2 yrs ago with his long term health in mind why keep him him if it was always going to be an issue.

with this outcome we lose big time  imo its another thing we have got wrong when it comes to list management.
good on kel for calling it a day i just wish he had done it 2 yrs ago.

on miller well imo we had him one yr too many. one can understand the good reasons why we needed a mature tall forward 2 yrs ago. no one was ready apart from jack.  we still dont have another kpf up to standard and you could see them keeping miller for one more.
 the kids were  one preseason older and more physically capable of playing this yr. club should have had the sense to cut him last yr.

at least brad miller  had the good sense to retire i dont know if the club would have pushed him out going by their record. we still have need of experienced players around the club.

how anyone can call this the club getting its house in order is beyond me. two blokes retired they werent pushed. two blokes who we may have  hung onto imo, especially moore.
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: tigercub2012 on August 16, 2012, 06:35:19 PM
imo they were both tapped on the shoulders for the future benefits of the team
it is that time of the year and hard decisions needed to be made
if the club had finished in the 8 they may have stayed on but now we are looking for more depth and a look at guys like cloke etc etc
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: Yeahright on August 16, 2012, 06:36:51 PM
He rolled the dice and came up way short

I wouldn't say that, he came back from where no one thought he could. Thats not coming up way short.

on miller well imo we had him one yr too many. one can understand the good reasons why we needed a mature tall forward 2 yrs ago. no one was ready apart from jack. 


two blokes retired they werent pushed. two blokes who we may have  hung onto imo, especially moore.

So we wasted 10 games on him this year when we could've played McGuane?


Am I the only one who thinks these retirements weren't done without a bit of a push?
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: tigercub2012 on August 16, 2012, 06:40:13 PM
we were desperate and still are for a big man up forwad
we tried all men above robin nahas height for chf once vickery went down
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: the claw on August 16, 2012, 06:51:22 PM
He rolled the dice and came up way short

I wouldn't say that, he came back from where no one thought he could. Thats not coming up way short.

on miller well imo we had him one yr too many. one can understand the good reasons why we needed a mature tall forward 2 yrs ago. no one was ready apart from jack. 


two blokes retired they werent pushed. two blokes who we may have  hung onto imo, especially moore.

So we wasted 10 games on him this year when we could've played McGuane?


Am I the only one who thinks these retirements weren't done without a bit of a push?
we wasted 10 games on him and another 6 on mcguane when we could have been getting games into kids and untried footballers.
these blokes have got a game because they the club  obviously think they have more to offer atm than kids.ive seen nothing this yr to suggest the kids will actually offer more than both of them  next yr either. the only thing going for them is they are one yr older and one more preseaon behind them.

they retired the club waited two yrs for moore to get his body right.  now that hes back playing footy afer two yrs and showing enough signs that he can still play they push him out the door you have to be kidding me right. moore retired of his own bat.
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: Coach on August 16, 2012, 08:07:47 PM
Cheers boys. Miller tribute thread pending.Moorey, good on ya. Worked his ass off to get back and play a few games for us. That has to be admired
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: Chuck17 on August 16, 2012, 08:10:08 PM
Hmmmm Nah
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: Phil Mrakov on August 16, 2012, 08:12:54 PM
Cheers boys. Miller tribute thread pending.Moorey, good on ya. Worked his ass off to get back and play a few games for us. That has to be admired

Can't wait ;D
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: yellowandback on August 16, 2012, 08:24:50 PM
He rolled the dice and came up way short

I wouldn't say that, he came back from where no one thought he could. Thats not coming up way short.

I thought he'd be screwed with the damage to his hips and he was.
As much as we might love Kelvin, playing elite senior football is the only criterion for his comeback. And it was excruciating to watch.
Therefore he rolled the dice and came up short.
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: Yeahright on August 16, 2012, 09:30:50 PM
He rolled the dice and came up way short

I wouldn't say that, he came back from where no one thought he could. Thats not coming up way short.

on miller well imo we had him one yr too many. one can understand the good reasons why we needed a mature tall forward 2 yrs ago. no one was ready apart from jack. 


two blokes retired they werent pushed. two blokes who we may have  hung onto imo, especially moore.

So we wasted 10 games on him this year when we could've played McGuane?


Am I the only one who thinks these retirements weren't done without a bit of a push?
we wasted 10 games on him and another 6 on mcguane when we could have been getting games into kids and untried footballers.
these blokes have got a game because they the club  obviously think they have more to offer atm than kids.ive seen nothing this yr to suggest the kids will actually offer more than both of them  next yr either. the only thing going for them is they are one yr older and one more preseaon behind them.

they retired the club waited two yrs for moore to get his body right.  now that hes back playing footy afer two yrs and showing enough signs that he can still play they push him out the door you have to be kidding me right. moore retired of his own bat.

who would of you played this year as CHF?
i dont believe they were pushed out the door, more told that they won't be getting games next year and they decided to pack it in.
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: Yeahright on August 16, 2012, 09:32:54 PM
He rolled the dice and came up way short

I wouldn't say that, he came back from where no one thought he could. Thats not coming up way short.

I thought he'd be screwed with the damage to his hips and he was.
As much as we might love Kelvin, playing elite senior football is the only criterion for his comeback. And it was excruciating to watch.
Therefore he rolled the dice and came up short.

Well just in my opinion, coming back from injury just to play senior football was extraordinary and above many peoples expectations
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on August 16, 2012, 10:04:51 PM
Good luck to both boys.

Thanks for the service.

Especially Moorey. Bloody great achievement to come back and play after what he went through.
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: Mr Magic on August 16, 2012, 10:10:51 PM

Miller was lucky to get a 2nd shot. Offered little.

Don't think the player group would agree with you there.

Brad Miller was bought to the Club for a specific reason/purpose and fulfilled that role exactly the way the Dimma wanted

Fair enough, they'd know more than me but from an external viewpoint ultimately didn't have much impact on our fortunes.
My belief is the space taken up by 2 years on the rookie list may have unearthed a player who could take us forward.
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: tigercub2012 on August 16, 2012, 10:29:17 PM
Looking at our rookies I believe we may have done worse
Our rookies need a lot of work and I'm still not confident of any success stories coming out
Maybe Verrier or the GT Gibson Turner
We had to be loyal to Moore but Miller I never liked the idea of rookieing him
We need to chase big blokes but they are scarce or too expensive if they have one iota of ability
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: Judge Roughneck on August 16, 2012, 11:44:55 PM
Could have given ohanlon a big taste of senior footy.

Would have done him a world of good
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: Smokey on August 17, 2012, 07:34:44 AM
Could have given ohanlon a big taste of senior footy.

Would have done him a world of good

Have to remember Bents that the roles Miller and O'Hanlon (or many others for that matter) have are very different within the team structure so it's not as simple or convenient as swapping one out for the other.  Miller was only taking the place of a few possibles - Griffith, Vickery, Elton, McGuane, Derrickx - so until one of them stepped up or recovered from injury then he was rarely taking the place of a kid who needed (and was ready) for the senior development.
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: Tigermonk on August 17, 2012, 09:17:32 AM
 :sleep  :sleep  :sleep  :sleep Retired  :shh  Shoved out the door  :lol 

Moore is another example why you dont keep injured players around the club. many years of nothing in return.
Richmond simply make very bad decisions & never learn from them. Griffiths will be another. Conners another  wasted space.

As l said previously, Miller had his papers stamped go back to Melbourne long ago, Pia will be the only one missed around the club. They can go back to Melbourne as that was another example of bad football admin choices. Could have picked a young up coming talent who had more desire to play AFL football.

If this club continues to make bad decisions, we will become just like Melbourne, Bulldogs, St-Kilda & may well stop trading.
They suck money out of the sporting fans like we are some english premier league club & promise things will get better & the same mistakes are being made 10 years onwards.

if we dont play finals next year, l will donate all my Richmond Collection to Carolyn Wilson & never support the club again. PROMISED  :banghead (except my Trent Cotchin frame )  ;D
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: Coach on August 17, 2012, 10:41:44 AM
Why Caro? :lol
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: tigs2011 on August 17, 2012, 10:48:51 AM
Good rant. We kept Moore because we would have had to pay him INSIDE the salary cap anyway. Can't sack blokes who have a career ending injury. May as well see if they can make it back rather than replacing them with another late pick like a Dean MacDonald.

In regards to Miller, we needed help for Jack. Miller did that whether you like it or not. Now it's time for someone else to stand up.

Griffiths has had a few niggles but his shoulders have been fine.

Connors I agree was a waste of a spot.

Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: Yeahright on August 17, 2012, 10:53:26 AM
Could have picked a young up coming talent who had more desire to play AFL football.


Think they believed they had the upcoming talent but needed someone to hold the spot for them while they developed
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: Penelope on August 17, 2012, 01:05:36 PM
if the last two drafts had not been compromised i doubt moore or miller would have been kept for this season..

Let's not forget that if we had stuffed them off their replacements would have been picks somewhere around .......580




Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: Tigermonk on August 17, 2012, 08:16:55 PM
Why Caro? :lol

 can't think of a better place to dump off rubbish  ;D
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: Tigermonk on August 17, 2012, 08:29:30 PM
Good rant. We kept Moore because we would have had to pay him INSIDE the salary cap anyway. Can't sack blokes who have a career ending injury. May as well see if they can make it back rather than replacing them with another late pick like a Dean MacDonald.

Moore was told early in the year he was finished, so dont give me you know whats going on cause you know nothing.
McDonald does not want to play football as a job. He wants to play football for the enjoyment of the game. Can name you 100+ players who have choosen the same path. League football is not for everyone.

In regards to Miller, we needed help for Jack. Miller did that whether you like it or not. Now it's time for someone else to stand up.

Miller did nothing but clash with Rewoldt in the forward line. Couldnot work together. Miller struggled to kick 40 metres on a good day & rarely kicked straight anyway so dont know what the hell you were watching. your a joker  :lol

Griffiths has had a few niggles but his shoulders have been fine.

Had a few NIGGLES  :rollin His sure played alot of games you are nuts

Connors I agree was a waste of a spot.

Agree OMG l was telling everyone about him 2 years+ ago. Did you just catch on



my authentic Cotchin frame brought & given to me for being such a good supporter of the club will be worth alot of money when he wins that Brownlow. Its already been signed by him personally so that makes it worth even more.   
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: Penelope on August 17, 2012, 09:51:08 PM
Why Caro? :lol

 can't think of a better place to dump off rubbish  ;D
:biglaugh
Title: Re: Moore and Miller Retire [merged]
Post by: Coach on August 18, 2012, 02:48:30 AM
Why Caro? :lol

 can't think of a better place to dump off rubbish  ;D

;D