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Richmond Tigers 2012 Report Card
Al Paton
From: News Limited Network
September 10, 2012 10:00PM
DO THE Tigers get a pass for the 2012 season? See our verdict and have your say.
SNAPSHOT:
Wins: 10
Losses: 11
Draws: 1
Ladder position: 12th
%: 111.6
WHAT WENT RIGHT:
Plenty. The Tigers won two more matches than last season, but the real improvement is shown in the percentage column. Richmond’s percentage last year was 86.4, and the Tigers haven’t had a figure over 100 since 2001 – when they made a preliminary final. In that time they have only broken 90 once. In fact, their final 111.6% is the club’s best result since 1996 (when the Tigers somehow missed the finals with a percentage of 117.4). After losing to Carlton in Round 1 by 44 points (after Dustin Martin missed a shot to level the scores early in the final term), Richmond didn’t lose a game by more than 22 points, and their average losing margin across the season (15 points) was the smallest in the comp. The Tigers' best day of the year was undoubtedly the drizzly Saturday afternoon when they smashed Hawthorn, but victories against bogey sides Sydney and St Kilda weren't far behind. On the playing front, Trent Cotchin became a genuine star, Brett Deledio graduated from rebounding defender to midfield gun, Alex Rance took a giant leap forward and Ivan Maric was just about the recruit of the year. Plenty to smile about, Tiger fans.
WHAT WENT WRONG:
Damien Hardwick did a great job of getting Richmond in a position to win games. Now he needs to work on closing the deal. If three matches – against Gold Coast, Carlton and Port Adelaide – had finished 30 seconds earlier, the Tigers would be on the doorstep of the eight. Leadership and composure was sadly lacking in the closing stages of those games and that is hard to learn at training. Hopefully what can be improved is concentration, with the Tigers allowing opponents to kick multiple goals in quick time in many of their games. Off the field, a mid-season sleeping pill drama involving Dustin Martin and Daniel Connors wasn’t ideal, but the club handled it well. And the Tigers would love defender Dylan Grimes to get a decent run with injuries.
BEST-AND-FAIREST
The Tigers held their Jack Dyer Medal count last week, with Trent Cotchin a popular - and unsurprising - winner. Brett Deledio finished second to Cotchin for the second year running, with Ivan Maric, Shane Tuck and Shaun Grigg rounding out the top five.
ROBBO'S VERDICT:
Statistically were far better than 12th, but the only statistic the ladder concerns itself with is win/loss. Ten wins and a draw wasn't good enough, but the signs are positive. Cotchin, Deledio, Riewoldt are A-graders, the defense is building, the comitment is growing and the game plan is slick. Now, if only they could win the close ones.
- Mark Robinson
THE LIST:
Elite: Trent Cotchin, Brett Deledio, Jack Riewoldt.
Big improvers: Ivan Maric, Alex Rance, Shane Edwards, Steve Morris
Going, going: The Tigers confirmed nine list changes late last week (see below) so everyone left should be safe.
Gone: Daniel Connors, Kelvin Moore, Brad Miller, Dean Macdonald, Jeromey Webberley, Andrew Browne, Addam Maric (rookie), Piva Wright (rookie), Gibson Turner (rookie)
Trade bait: Matt White, Luke McGuane
WHAT THEY NEED:
A gorilla to take the big forwards and release Rance into a more attacking Sam Fisher-style role. The man beeping loudly on the radar is Port Adelaide’s Troy Chaplin. A marking half-forward would also be a bonus and Crows free agent Chris Knights could fill that role. Like just about all other sides, would take another one or two skilled midfielders.
STATS THAT MATTER
Club leaders:
Kicks: Trent Cotchin (372)
Handballs: Shane Tuck (210)
Contested possessions: Shane Tuck (298)
Marks: Alex Rance (136)
Contested marks: Jack Riewoldt (39)
Clearances: Shane Tuck (123)
Inside-50s: Brett Deledio (129)
Rebound-50s: Alex Rance (86)
Frees for: Trent Cotchin (51)
Frees against: Alex Rance/Reece Conca (31)
Goals: Jack Riewoldt (65)
Goal assists: Shane Edwards (21)
Time on ground: Alex Rance (2577 minutes)
Players used: 38
TEAM STATS: (total/percentage + AFL rank):
Disposals: 380.7 (1st)
Contested possession differential: +8.0 (2nd)
Tackles: 62.0 (10th)
Clearance differential: +2.3 (5th)
Inside-50 differential: +9.6 (2nd)
Scoring % inside 50: 49.4 per cent (7th)
Av points for: 98.6 (8th)
Av points against: 88.3 (10th)
Av winning margin: 39pts (9th)
Av losing margin: 15pts (1sth)
DID YOU KNOW?
Richmond won a centre bounce clearance 47 per cent of the time Ivan Maric was involved - ranked No.1 of the top-10 centre bounce attendees in the competition.
Source: Champion Data
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/season-report/richmond-2012-report-card/story-fn6cixfc-1226466731805
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A fair enough review. Hard to argue with any of that.
Even with our list deficiencies it was our inefficiency going inside forward 50 and poor goalkicking that hurt us the most this year as far as costing us a place in the finals. To make them next year we still need to add far more class which adds genuine depth so we are burying bottom sides like GWS, Port and the Suns rather than battling and even losing to them :scream. The standard of footy we played in the second half of the season was still far off what is needed to scrape into the finals let alone become a genuine contender. The Club should note there's a clear reason for that before thinking of keeping on the likes of McGuane, Jacko, White, Gus and co. for yet another year :P.
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yeah, lets just cut em all loose and replace them with picks 150 -154 in the draft.
Only one of those would be starting 22 from our full list anyway. they will slowly be weeded out over time
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yeah, lets just cut em all loose and replace them with picks 150 -154 in the draft.
Only one of those would be starting 22 from our full list anyway. they will slowly be weeded out over time
I know what you're saying al but we've been waiting for them to be weeded out for a very long time now. Next year will be McGuane's 9th year and White and Gus' 8th on our list. Another year of list clogging :P. Then there's fan favourite Jacko coming up to his 10th season. Players in your starting 22 that are liabilities but would still have some decent trade value you might as well try to get something decent in return before their trade value disappears altogether hanging on to them for too long and you are left with replacing them with picks 150-154. The article mentions a lack of leadership. Hard to get leadership onfield when one of your so-called leaders continually gets himself suspended and giving away dumb frees throwing stupid unnecessary cheapshots off the ball.
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just delist them and replace them with free agents of better quality
no-one will go deep in the draft these days when you can get upgrades for nix
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just delist them and replace them with free agents of better quality
no-one will go deep in the draft these days when you can get upgrades for nix
They should really just draft guys from the state leagues to fill these spots. They'll come over bloody hungry and determined to succeed like Morris, which would already be a plus on those other spuds. Just to clarify for anyone who'll take that out of context, not saying they will be as good as Morris, just that giving them a chance on the big stage will actually make them contest and put their bodies on the line unlike some others we have got.
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Theoretically you could get in free agents
Knights HFF 26yrs – replaces White
Chaplin FB 27yrs – replaces Moore
Pearce Wing/HF/HB 27yrs - replaces Connors
Russell HBF 26yrs – replaces Webberley
Lynch CHF 30yrs – replaces McGuane (really Miller, McG only got the gig when Milzy hit the wall)
All would be upgrades.
Then add
3 national draft picks in the top 40 replacing McDonald, Browne, Graham
3 state league players 21-23yrs in the rookie draft to replace Miller, Maric, Heslin
2 project kids in the rookie draft replacing Wright & Turner, probably rucks/small fwds
1 international rookie
14 changes to the deep end of the list and still time to give the arse a scratch.
claw bait
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Theoretically you could get in free agents
Knights HFF 26yrs – replaces White
Chaplin FB 27yrs – replaces Moore
Pearce Wing/HF/HB 27yrs - replaces Connors
Russell HBF 26yrs – replaces Webberley
Lynch CHF 30yrs – replaces McGuane (really Miller, McG only got the gig when Milzy hit the wall)
All would be upgrades.
Then add
3 national draft picks in the top 40 replacing McDonald, Browne, Graham
3 state league players 21-23yrs in the rookie draft to replace Miller, Maric, Heslin
2 project kids in the rookie draft replacing Wright & Turner, probably rucks/small fwds
1 international rookie
14 changes to the deep end of the list and still time to give the arse a scratch.
claw bait
Get it done Tiges :clapping :cheers
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gerks the list manager
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:lol at the hidden claw bait
nice theory, but you still need a back up ruckman on the list.
*Please dont say derrickx*
I hadn't realised pearce was free agent. forget knights and put the savings into getting him.
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:lol at the hidden claw bait
nice theory, but you still need a back up ruckman on the list.
*Please dont say derrickx*
I hadn't realised pearce was free agent. forget knights and put the savings into getting him.
Re-rookie Browne if you need a pure ruck or use one of the state league rookie picks. Lynch & Vickery can ruck relief. Then there is Derickx ;D
Oh and Post, I didn't even delist him yet
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no need to delist Post. It seems brisbane are giving us Karnezis and their first round pick...................as a minimum, for him
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no need to delist Post. It seems brisbane are giving us Karnezis and their first round pick...................as a minimum, for him
he'll need these up there 8)
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yeah, lets just cut em all loose and replace them with picks 150 -154 in the draft.
Only one of those would be starting 22 from our full list anyway. they will slowly be weeded out over time
its never been about cutting 15 in one go from the list proper. its also never been about going to picks 150 - etc to replace them. that really is a big deflection from what most people are saying.
plenty of mature players in state leagues and players not getting a go at their respective clubs who would allow us to value add on those long term underachievers.
the key has always been especially when building a list from a low base is make sure you utilise your early to mid range picks on kids.
i firmly believe we need to cut at least two more from the senior list.allowing us to utilise 9, 29,31, 51,69. plus a psd pick on a mature player and two fa selections on needs.
i would also be looking to take two or three mature players as rookies balancing it out with 3 kids.
most of the glass half fulls are contracted but two mcguane and white are not.
to me mcguanes replacement would be chaplin.
whites replacement moloney
webberley - knights and so on.
moore - with a nd pick in lee or kid like alex howson.
Theoretically you could get in free agents
Knights HFF 26yrs – replaces White
Chaplin FB 27yrs – replaces Moore
Pearce Wing/HF/HB 27yrs - replaces Connors
Russell HBF 26yrs – replaces Webberley
Lynch CHF 30yrs – replaces McGuane (really Miller, McG only got the gig when Milzy hit the wall)
All would be upgrades.
Then add
3 national draft picks in the top 40 replacing McDonald, Browne, Graham
3 state league players 21-23yrs in the rookie draft to replace Miller, Maric, Heslin
2 project kids in the rookie draft replacing Wright & Turner, probably rucks/small fwds
1 international rookie
14 changes to the deep end of the list and still time to give the arse a scratch.
claw bait
exactly what ive been saying for a few yrs now. good post well said and a good process we could copy.
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thank you claw
i dont know why some people can't see it
don't have to trade with anyone, deepens the list and upgrades that depth, then kids from the top half of the draft get added to that
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yeah, lets just cut em all loose and replace them with picks 150 -154 in the draft.
Only one of those would be starting 22 from our full list anyway. they will slowly be weeded out over time
its never been about cutting 15 in one go from the list proper. its also never been about going to picks 150 - etc to replace them. that really is a big deflection from what most people are saying.
plenty of mature players in state leagues and players not getting a go at their respective clubs who would allow us to value add on those long term underachievers.
the key has always been especially when building a list from a low base is make sure you utilise your early to mid range picks on kids.
i firmly believe we need to cut at least two more from the senior list.allowing us to utilise 9, 29,31, 51,69. plus a psd pick on a mature player and two fa selections on needs.
i would also be looking to take two or three mature players as rookies balancing it out with 3 kids.
most of the glass half fulls are contracted but two mcguane and white are not.
to me mcguanes replacement would be chaplin.
whites replacement moloney
webberley - knights and so on.
moore - with a nd pick in lee or kid like alex howson.
Umm, Claw , i'm not sure where you pulled cutting 15 in one go from? not my post?
actually the post I was responding to mentioned another 4 players to not be on the list next year, so someone was actually saying 13 in one go , and to do so means you are going very deep in the draft to find replacements (excluding possible 1 or 2 free agents )
no deflecting of what was being said, just you not taking the time to read the discussion.
perhaps slow down and read before commenting :thumbsup
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yeah, lets just cut em all loose and replace them with picks 150 -154 in the draft.
Only one of those would be starting 22 from our full list anyway. they will slowly be weeded out over time
its never been about cutting 15 in one go from the list proper. its also never been about going to picks 150 - etc to replace them. that really is a big deflection from what most people are saying.
plenty of mature players in state leagues and players not getting a go at their respective clubs who would allow us to value add on those long term underachievers.
the key has always been especially when building a list from a low base is make sure you utilise your early to mid range picks on kids.
i firmly believe we need to cut at least two more from the senior list.allowing us to utilise 9, 29,31, 51,69. plus a psd pick on a mature player and two fa selections on needs.
i would also be looking to take two or three mature players as rookies balancing it out with 3 kids.
most of the glass half fulls are contracted but two mcguane and white are not.
to me mcguanes replacement would be chaplin.
whites replacement moloney
webberley - knights and so on.
moore - with a nd pick in lee or kid like alex howson.
Umm, Claw , i'm not sure where you pulled cutting 15 in one go from? not my post?
actually the post I was responding to mentioned another 4 players to not be on the list next year, so someone was actually saying 13 in one go , and to do so means you are going very deep in the draft to find replacements (excluding possible 1 or 2 free agents )
no deflecting of what was being said, just you not taking the time to read the discussion.
perhaps slow down and read before commenting :thumbsup
fair enough just read that post.
thing is too often when debating the draft and cutting players people have thrown up we cant cut players because its pointless to replace players with picks 150 odd plus..
we can easily turn over 8 from the list proper and only use picks 9, 29, 31, 51, and 69 . 5 nd picks is what is required plus fa and psd. to make 8. we have 6 rookie picks and can target mature players a total of 14 is realistic imo.
been going on about state league recruits for awhile now along with free agency and the psd turning over the list is not hard.
in looking after the long term future in the nd we could add with psd rookie and fa
martin 22 moloney 29, chaplin 26 , knights 26, hartigan 22, sundberg 24? michael sikora ?, all mature players in one go and we dont have to go past the 4th rnd in the nd with our first 5 picks.
we could also take tom lee at pick 29 a 21 yo whos ready to go or a bloke like duffy 20 yo with 69 whos been playing wafl. both i consider long term prospects and as such kids.we could use pick 9 on a bloke like caddy whos had two yrs in the system and is probably now ready to go.
we can do all of this if we so wished and not go past pick 69.
anyway apologies didnt mean to misinterpret your post.
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Agree, cutting 14 would be easy, and the difference it would make
Firsts
B: Grimes Chaplin Morris
HB: Batchelor Rance Russell
C: Deledio Foley Grigg
R: Maric Cotchin Tuck
HF: Pearce Lynch Martin
F: Vickery Reiwoldt Newman
I: Houli Knights Edwards King
Magoos
B: Darrou* Griffiths Dea
HB: Ellis Post Verrier*
C: Helbig Jackson --state league rookie*--
R: Browne* Conca Arnot
HF: Nahas Astbury OHanlon
F: Elton Derickx Simon*
I: --state league rookie*-- --state league rookie*-- --rookie*-- --draft-- --draft-- --draft--
Some depth there and we lost no one of value and didn't upset the senior side. Obviously more than one way to skin a cat, but that's one.
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all good claw,
gerks that would work, if you can get the 5 free agents.
nice in theory......
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not my job 8)
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Agree, cutting 14 would be easy, and the difference it would make
Firsts
B: Grimes Chaplin Morris
HB: Batchelor Rance Russell
C: Deledio Foley Grigg
R: Maric Cotchin Tuck
HF: Pearce Lynch Martin
F: Vickery Reiwoldt Newman
I: Houli Knights Edwards King
Magoos
B: Darrou* Griffiths --state league rookie*--
HB: Ellis Post Verrier*
C: Helbig Jackson --state league rookie*--
R: Browne* Conca Arnot
HF: Nahas Astbury OHanlon
F: Elton Derickx Simon*
I: --state league rookie*-- --rookie*-- --draft-- --draft-- --draft--
Some depth there and we lost no one of value and didn't upset the senior side. Obviously more than one way to skin a cat, but that's one.
again agreed. different players but same process for similar result. lots of options.
b/ morris - chaplin fa - grimes
hb/ batcheor - rance - dea/conca/ellis take your pick.
c/ deledio - tuck - grigg
r/maric - cotchin - foley
hf/ martin - lee nd 31 - edwards
f/ vickery - riewoldt - knights fa
int/ conca - ellis - newman - moloney psd.
twos
darrou - hartigan state league - houli
verrier - post - helbig
wheeler rookir coburg - martin rookie/late nd frankston - nahas
king - astbury - ohanlon
elton - griffiths - stringer nd 9.
derickx - arnott - sundberg rookie collingwood.
nd 29 - nd 51 - nd 69 - state league - state league etc.
same dog different leg action but shows it aint hard.
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whos this lee that ya reckon we get at 31 and come in and play CHF?
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whos this lee that ya reckon we get at 31 and come in and play CHF?
tom lee 195/93 21 yo from claremont. has had two v/good yrs playing seniors i wanted us to rookie him last yr as a chb. this yr hes played as a chf good in the air agile and good kick will go in the 2nd rnd somewhere i reckon.
similar situation to when geelong took harry taylor. not saying hes as good as taylor but i like what ive seen of him think theres a lot to work with. could be he doesnt make it but think he will.
if we were to take a tall at 31 and we wanted him young 21yo and ready to go it would be lee. if we wanted to develop a kid it would be for me alex howson from e/freo. think both will go somewhere around our picks 29/31. would like one of them.
adelaide drafted lee in 08 09. i think he lasted one yr he was just too immature and not ready for afl.since then he has puleed his head in grown up and will get drafted thru hard work.
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just about sold me on that, claw
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Theoretically you could get in free agents
Knights HFF 26yrs – replaces White
Chaplin FB 27yrs – replaces Moore
Pearce Wing/HF/HB 27yrs - replaces Connors
Russell HBF 26yrs – replaces Webberley
Lynch CHF 30yrs – replaces McGuane (really Miller, McG only got the gig when Milzy hit the wall)
All would be upgrades.
Then add
3 national draft picks in the top 40 replacing McDonald, Browne, Graham
3 state league players 21-23yrs in the rookie draft to replace Miller, Maric, Heslin
2 project kids in the rookie draft replacing Wright & Turner, probably rucks/small fwds
1 international rookie
14 changes to the deep end of the list and still time to give the arse a scratch.
claw bait
Amen to that :pray :clapping
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just delist them and replace them with free agents of better quality
no-one will go deep in the draft these days when you can get upgrades for nix
They should really just draft guys from the state leagues to fill these spots. They'll come over bloody hungry and determined to succeed like Morris, which would already be a plus on those other spuds. Just to clarify for anyone who'll take that out of context, not saying they will be as good as Morris, just that giving them a chance on the big stage will actually make them contest and put their bodies on the line unlike some others we have got.
Bit of truth in what you say JVT. :thumbsup
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not my job 8)
:lol
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just delist them and replace them with free agents of better quality
no-one will go deep in the draft these days when you can get upgrades for nix
They should really just draft guys from the state leagues to fill these spots. They'll come over bloody hungry and determined to succeed like Morris, which would already be a plus on those other spuds. Just to clarify for anyone who'll take that out of context, not saying they will be as good as Morris, just that giving them a chance on the big stage will actually make them contest and put their bodies on the line unlike some others we have got.
Bit of truth in what you say JVT. :thumbsup
Not only that but it gives the opportunity to have ready made players for the VFL supp list that the club must have in 2014 when they go it alone. If you rookie some mature age blokes, if they don't make it you can always offer them a position on the VFL list ;D
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just delist them and replace them with free agents of better quality
no-one will go deep in the draft these days when you can get upgrades for nix
They should really just draft guys from the state leagues to fill these spots. They'll come over bloody hungry and determined to succeed like Morris, which would already be a plus on those other spuds. Just to clarify for anyone who'll take that out of context, not saying they will be as good as Morris, just that giving them a chance on the big stage will actually make them contest and put their bodies on the line unlike some others we have got.
Bit of truth in what you say JVT. :thumbsup
Not only that but it gives the opportunity to have ready made players for the VFL supp list that the club must have in 2014 when they go it alone. If you rookie some mature age blokes, if they don't make it you can always offer them a position on the VFL list ;D
Sounds like the way to go.