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Football => View from the Outer => Topic started by: tiger101 on October 25, 2012, 10:43:40 PM
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sportsline skynews saying the age is reporting tomorrow about kurt tippett receiving secret payments.
If its true AFL surely has to take harsh action on salary cap breaches.
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I love an under the desk deal. Just unlucky for Spud that he got caught.
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Stone the Crows.
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I love an under the desk deal. Just unlucky for Spud that he got caught.
They just shown the backpages. It has 200,000 wrote on the picture. So I would assume thats how much the secret payments was worth.
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Stone the Crows.
Alf? ;D
I love an under the desk deal. Just unlucky for Spud that he got caught.
They just shown the backpages. It has 200,000 wrote on the picture. So I would assume thats how much the secret payments was worth.
Tomorrow may be an interesting day
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It's being reported in the Age as well ...
Crows, Tippett caught in $200,000 rort
Emma Quayle
The Age
October 26, 2012
ADELAIDE is believed to have guaranteed Kurt Tippett $200,000 outside of his contract and suggested the arrangement be kept secret from the league.
The AFL is investigating correspondence between the Crows and Tippett's management that refers to a list of companies that could provide the additional payments, not acknowledged in the three-year contract the forward signed in 2009.
The letter sent from former Crows football manager John Reid to Tippett's manager Peter Blucher is also understood to provide a guarantee the Crows would cover the money - split over two years - if it was not sourced via the third parties.
Tippett's immediate future was in limbo last night, with a trade to Sydney or any other club unlikely to be approved ahead of the conclusion of the three-week trade period at 2pm today.
It is not necessarily relevant whether Adelaide paid Tippett the extra money, however the The Age believes the Crows would have had room in their salary cap to cover the $200,000, had they chosen to include it.
It is also understood there was a clear recommendation in the letter to Blucher that the AFL not be told of the arrangement.
Adelaide is also under pressure after admitting it agreed to trade Tippett to the club of his choice for a second-round pick, a side deal that was not disclosed to the league and could lead to the club being punished for draft manipulation.
Contrary to some media reports, the Crows have assured the investigation it does not involve Joel Tippett's move to Adelaide this year. Joel, Kurt's younger brother, played for West Adelaide this season after being delisted by Gold Coast.
Late yesterday there had been no significant contact between the Crows and Swans, with Adelaide officials ceasing to pursue any trade. Other clubs contacted the league yesterday seeking clarification on the state of the investigation and the risk involved with seeking to trade for Tippett, who seems destined for the draft.
Adelaide and Sydney had agreed last Friday that the Crows would trade Tippett for Sydney's pick 23 and forward Jesse White, who played just three games last season. The commercial value of that deal had been queried around AFL headquarters.
White had done a medical screening at Adelaide but the deal was pulled by the Crows before the paperwork could be lodged after White's meeting with coach Brenton Sanderson. The Crows would have had to cull a player to fit White on their list. Sanderson is understood to have expressed reservations to president Rob Chapman, who met chief executive Steven Trigg about an hour after his return from Europe on Friday.
The club then contacted AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou to confess to the side deal and offer to open their books up to the league.
The Crows were then pressured by the Tippett camp to complete the trade, with a letter from lawyers representing the 25-year-old threatening Supreme Court intervention if Adelaide did not adhere to its promise to trade him to his chosen club.
That side agreement was also referred to in the 2009 correspondence, not included in Tippett's contract and not disclosed to the league until Friday. Adelaide had believed Tippett would want to go home to Queensland, if anywhere, but instead he accepted a $4 million, four-year offer from Sydney.
Details of the trade deal, first reported in The Age in August last year, were known to officials at most clubs. The alleged salary cap breaches and the agreement to trade him for a second-round draft pick - which could constitute a manipulation of the AFL's draft process - has the club, Tippett and his management company facing major sanctions.
The club could be stripped of draft picks for up to four years in the worst-case scenario and could also face heavy fines if found to have broken the AFL's rules.
Tippett may face a suspension and/or fine, and could even be deregistered if found to be complicit in any rule breaking, with his manager and management company, Velocity Sports, also under pressure.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/crows-tippett-caught-in-200000-rort-20121025-287t7.html#ixzz2AJYK6Fm2
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If he gets de-registered his only got himself to blame. Should of picked a Queensland club and no one would of been the wiser.
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The agent has to lose his accreditation too.
He's the nuffer who did the Scully deal and got Tom's old man a job as part of the sons deal
The bloke has no credibility and should be banned for lfe
As for Tippett he will get punished and to be honest whhich club would want him now; this fiasco is just further proof his not a team player and it's all about Tippett
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Suck eggs
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Tippett what a greedy tossbag. Karma is a biatch boy. Like someone said you shouldve gone to the GC and this would not have happened.
Pay back you silly stuffs. Thats what happenes when you rat on one of our players. hahahahahaha
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Michaelangelo Rucci is reporting that Kurt Tippett is likely to be deregistered by the league, as Crows offices are 'raided' by the AFL.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/the-afl-is-investigating-computer-and-bank-records-at-west-lakes/story-e6frf9jf-1226503709872
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Unlike players at the Storm and Carlton (I think) who were unaware, Tippett was in on this and for that I hope he gets not just the book but the bookcase thrown at him.
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Adealide should not be punished............after all they have Gus and will suffer enough
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:lol
john elliot was having a whinge that that adelaide should receive similar punishment to what carlton got.....
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Tippett is a little bitch
I hope they deregister the soft ****
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Tippett legal threat
By Matt Thompson
Sun 28 Oct, 2012
A leading Melbourne barrister has warned the AFL is "just asking for court action" if Kurt Tippett is deregistered.
Victorian QC Paul Ehrlich is well known in football circles, appearing for players in high profile tribunal cases, and specialises in Trade Practices, Commercial, and Sports Law.
"If in fact the AFL was to deregister Tippett as a penalty there's an extreme, significant chance it would end up in court," Ehrlich told AFL.com.au on Sunday.
"It's a very serious matter to take a professional athlete's ability to earn a living away from him because of a breach of a policy which prima facie is unlawful because it’s in restraint of trade.
"It'd then be for the AFL to justify that that policy was necessary for the preservation of the game. I don't know any lawyers that take the view that the AFL restraint would survive a challenge in the courts.
"This is a multi-billion dollar industry and the AFL has spent tens of millions of dollars in financing new wholly owned franchises … it's then very difficult to run an argument that the game still requires these restraints to survive.
"Oh sorry you can't earn 800 thousand dollars a year any more you can just go on the dole!"
He also pointed to potential inconsistencies in the AFL's stance when it comes to third party arrangements.
"There's a whole host of inconsistencies, how some players have third party deals which on their face cannot be seen as anything other than an additional payment for playing for that football club," Ehrlich said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/150388/default.aspx
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AFL acts on Crows, Tippett
By Matt Thompson
afl.com.au
6:57 PM Mon 12 Nov, 2012
ADELAIDE and Kurt Tippett are set to be ordered to appear before the AFL Commission over allegations surrounding the 25-year-old's contract with the club.
The Crows will have the chance to argue to the Commission why they shouldn't be stripped of draft picks for alleged salary cap breaches.
Tippett will be fighting for his immediate AFL future after a potential trade to the Sydney Swans was blocked when the allegations surfaced.
Tippett's non-trade unsatisfactory: AFLPA
The Commission has a scheduled meeting next Monday and intends to hear the matter then.
The hearing could stretch two days.
It is understood the AFL is preparing to release a statement detailing the charges against both club and player.
A Crows spokesman told AFL.com.au the club is yet to be notified of any charges.
The Crows are accused of deliberately deceiving the AFL by promising Tippett $200,000 outside of his contract and suggesting it be kept secret from the League.
Adelaide officials had repeatedly denied the existence of a special clause in Tippett's contract, struck when he re-signed in 2009.
That contract made him the Crows' highest-paid player.
The Crows are alleged to have agreed to trade Tippett to a club of his choice for a second-round draft pick when the contract finished at the end of 2012.
If found guilty of breaking salary cap rules, Adelaide would most likely suffer a fine and the loss of draft picks and they have said they will accept the AFL's verdict.
Tippett faces a suspension or being deregistered from the AFL if found guilty.
If Tippett is eligible to nominate for this year's drafts, 2012 wooden-spooner Greater Western Sydney has indicated it will consider selecting him.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/151000/default.aspx
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Say goodbye to pick 20 Adelaide.
The AFL would love to see Tippett end up at GWS to create news up there and also help lift their onfield performances so they aren't flogged every second week. It wouldn't be the first time the AFL has manufactured a high profile full forward to go to a club in Aussie Rules foreign territory to promote footy. They did it with Lockett when he wanted to leave St Kilda. Lockett chose us as his preferred club to go to but of course he ended up at the Swans. Somehow St Kilda were willing to accept two unknown Swans' fringe players in exchange for Lockett yet from us the Saints wanted two high profiled players like Wayne Campbell plus I think Naish or Daffy ::).
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screw sydney, pricks.
Lockett was also happy to leave the state because of the crap that going down when his partner in the greyhounds was caught out using different dogs to service bunnies to what people were paying for.
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KURT Tippett has declared his innocence in the Adelaide salary cap scandal and threatened to sue the club if the AFL deregisters him.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/crow-spearhead-kurt-tippett-blames-adelaide-in-salary-cap-scandal-and-threatens-to-sue/story-e6frf9jf-1226516205679
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A SECOND incriminating letter has emerged in the Kurt Tippett saga, which indicates that Crows officials attempted to cover their tracks after putting in writing a potentially unlawful agreement with the player.
While Tippett's lawyer, David Galbally, has confirmed the 25-year-old would vehemently contest both charges that have been laid against him by the AFL, Fairfax Media has confirmed that Adelaide rewrote the original and until recently secret deal with Tippett.
Tippett's manager, Peter Blucher, who is still representing the player, will be called to give evidence in a bid to demonstrate that Tippett had no knowledge he was breaking AFL rules in agreeing to an Adelaide side offer, which has led to the club, Tippett and two Crows officials being charged with draft-tampering and salary-cap breaches.
The damaging second letter was dated October 2009, was identical to the first and included almost identical wording to the first, but omitted the sentences relating to third-party payments totalling $200,000. It also left out the damaging instruction to Tippett not to show the letter to the AFL.
Like the first hidden contract, it was signed by former Adelaide football boss John Reid under the letterhead of the Adelaide Football Club. The Crows' board only recently learnt of the letter's existence and has been told it was sent to Tippett and Blucher several days after the first letter. Reid has given the board and Adelaide's lawyers an explanation for the second and amended letter but the club last night refused to detail that explanation.
Next week's AFL Commission hearing is looming as a bitter dispute to be fought out between the Tippett camp and Adelaide.
Blucher is understood to have evidence that the original document, which could lead to the club being banned for up to four national drafts and heavily fined, was engineered by the Crows and not - as Adelaide officials have claimed - by Tippett's father, Tony, and Blucher.
It has also been alleged that Adelaide, in its attempt to re-sign Tippett, this year assured the player that it would not stand in his way when he became a restricted free agent at the end of 2014.
As well as offering Tippett a lucrative deal to remain at the club, the Crows are understood to have told Tippett they would not match the offer of a rival club in two years if he wished to leave. Fairfax Media could not confirm whether the offer was made in writing.
Although Tippett faces deregistration for his role in the affair, the player is expected to demonstrate he had no knowledge of the rules he was breaking in entering into the agreement, which promised him a move to the club of his choice in exchange for a second-round draft pick and also lucrative third-party inducements.
It has also emerged that the player has refused to meet officials from Greater Western Sydney as the hearing looms and remains hopeful of joining Sydney - a hope that is mutual.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/new-letter-emerges-on-tippett-20121113-29ajx.html#ixzz2C7TMQ3VD
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Rumour has it that the third party was Toyota
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Rumour has it that the third party was Toyota
That rumour is wrong
It was Balfours the meat pie people
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Cooking the books: new charges laid
Caroline Wilson
The Age
November 15, 2012
ADELAIDE entered into a secret agreement with one of its sponsors to divert payments to Kurt Tippett after the player knocked back an offer to join the Gold Coast.
As further damning evidence emerged in the Crows' salary-cap scandal, the club's football boss, Phil Harper, has been charged by the AFL after a letter signed by Harper was unearthed by the league's investigators.
The written evidence of the alleged under-the-table third-party agreement with the South Australian bakery Balfours has also implicated Adelaide chief executive Steven Trigg.
Fairfax Media understands Trigg authorised the diverted five-figure annual payment without the knowledge of his board.
With Trigg's AFL future already hanging in the balance, he faces a third charge of breaching AFL rules - in this instance the breach is his second charge relating to total player payments impropriety.
Although the Balfours deal was lodged with the AFL, the diverted written agreement was not.
The letter instructed Balfours, which each year paid the Crows an annual sponsorship sum of between $150,000 and $200,000, to reduce those sponsorship payments by about $30,000 and instead pay them to Tippett, who would assume the role of a Balfours ambassador.
Fairfax Media has learnt that Tippett earned the third-party payments during the 2010 and 2011 seasons and during that time hosted a ''Tippett's Tips'' segment in which - dressed in an apron and chef's hat - he performed in a kitchen segment before tucking into a Balfours pie.
The agreement appears to have been a clear contravention of the AFL's salary cap rules and appears to have taken chairman Rob Chapman and his board by surprise. Clubs are forbidden from having any association with players' third-party agreements.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/cooking-the-books-new-charges-laid-20121114-29c9a.html#ixzz2CCCjBuYT
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Rumour has it that the third party was Toyota
That rumour is wrong
It was Balfours the meat pie people
:thumbsup
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Adelaide are totally stuffed now. Paying one player outside of the cap is cheating but paying multiple players is systematic cheating. The AFL will throw the book at them a la Carlton if is this true.
Adelaide salary probe widens
Emma Quayle
The Age
November 15, 2012
A SECOND Adelaide player has become embroiled in the club's salary cap scandal, with the Crows under investigation for third-party payments made to captain Nathan van Berlo outside the salary cap.
Already facing major sanctions over third-party arrangements made for Kurt Tippett, Adelaide may now face further penalties over a deal set up for van Berlo that may breach the AFL's total player payment rules.
It is not yet known which company paid the extra money to van Berlo, who became Adelaide’s captain last year, or how much the West Australian was offered.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/adelaide-salary-probe-widens-20121115-29euo.html#ixzz2CHnTzCaB
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Yeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssss now we should have 31 and 33 :cheers
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When did they sign these players to these deals. They must of been expecting to be premiership contenders with no space left in the cap to keep them.
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Manager blasts reports
By Matt Thompson
afl.com.au
12:21 PM Fri 16 Nov, 2012
Nathan van Berlo's manager has leapt to the defence of the Adelaide captain, denying he is benefiting from unapproved third-party agreements.
Early on Friday it was reported a third-party payment to van Berlo was being investigated.
A furious Young denied that was the case.
"That was news to me, it's news to Nathan and from our point of view it's a load of rubbish," agent Colin Young told AFL.com.au on Friday.
"If you're going to make a comment like that, then back it up with facts."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/151209/default.aspx
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Tippett hearing adjourned
By Mark Macgugan
4:40 PM Fri 16 Nov, 2012
ADELAIDE is free to participate in next week's NAB AFL Draft after the AFL Commission postponed its hearing into the Kurt Tippett saga.
The hearing, at which the Crows, club officials and Tippett were set to face allegations of draft tampering and breaches of player payment rules, was set to take place on Monday.
It has now been adjourned until a yet-to-be-determined date, expected to be in December.
The delay has come at the request of Adelaide and its general manager of football operations Phil Harper, who asked for more time to prepare submissions.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/151237/default.aspx
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Crows in draft as probe widens
Emma Quayle
The Age
November 17, 2012
ADELAIDE will participate in next week's national draft after successfully seeking an adjournment of the AFL Commission's hearing into the serious salary cap and draft tampering charges it faces, as the league's probe widened to examine a third-party payment to midfield star Patrick Dangerfield.
The club has distanced itself from chief executive Steven Trigg, football manager Phil Harper and his predecessor John Reid, with all four parties engaging separate legal representation for the hearing, which has not yet been rescheduled.
It is believed the AFL has accessed an email written by Harper, in which he indicated that Dangerfield, Kurt Tippett and captain Nathan van Berlo had been steered towards a company owned by a former Adelaide board member, Alan Sheppard.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/crows-in-draft-as-probe-widens-20121116-29hqx.html#ixzz2CP1DXYca
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Skrued
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the AFL bring this all on themselves. How can they allow a club to participate in the draft, especially if as we all suspect they are guilty as charged.
Delay the draft then until this hearing is over.
What happens if the Crows make the GF or even win the thing. It will be the biggest joke in the history of this game and to be honest one id love to see just to prove they are a bunch of cowboys who have no stuffin idea
Imagine the outcry if it was the Blues and not the Crows. Freddie would've made sure they would not be in the draft.
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you can be pretty sure that if they had banned adelaide from the draft then adelaide would have been in court seeking an injunction quick as a flash.
The AFL already walk a tightrope in terms of restraint of trade with the players, so the last thing they want is a can of worms opened in such a court case.
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you can be pretty sure that if they had banned adelaide from the draft then adelaide would have been in court seeking an injunction quick as a flash.
The AFL already walk a tightrope in terms of restraint of trade with the players, so the last thing they want is a can of worms opened in such a court case.
true obviously innocent until proven guilty, but why not delay the draft then until they receive a fair case with time to prepare.
That would make more sense wouldn't it?
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perhaps, depending on logistics and time frame involved
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you can be pretty sure that if they had banned adelaide from the draft then adelaide would have been in court seeking an injunction quick as a flash.
The AFL already walk a tightrope in terms of restraint of trade with the players, so the last thing they want is a can of worms opened in such a court case.
true obviously innocent until proven guilty, but why not delay the draft then until they receive a fair case with time to prepare.
That would make more sense wouldn't it?
But wouldn't delaying the draft be unfair on the other 17 clubs?
Ever club is in training for 2013, all kids need a full pre-season to get the right conditioning and alot of clubs want to play their new young talent ASAP. So with that in mind delaying the draft would only hurt clubs and the kids who have done nothing wrong
I reckon al, is right the AFL is walking a tightrope and dont want a court battle. The other thing the AFL has done is create a bit of a precedent by allowing Melb to participate because they have yet to finish the tanking investigation which has been going on what 5 months now?. Adelaide would cry foul over that as well. Both investigations should be done dusted and the punishments handed out weeks ago
Having said I wouldn't have delayed the hearing and I don't believe Adel should be allowed to participate in the first 2 rounds of the draft; ditto Melbourne
But the other thing with Adelaide too is that they only have 1 pick (20) that is really "valuable" in this draft, their other 2 for memory are int he 50's & 60's. So one could argue that punishing them for say the next two drafts after this one will hurt them more as no-one will want to trade with them because pick wise they have nothing to offer and they will have no decent picks to use in the draft. I mean what happens if Adelaide drops down the ladder next year out of the 8 or bottom end of the 8? Means no top 10 draft picks for them = the penalty automatically becomes harsher than losing their first round pick this season ;)
Finally have to say I agree with Jeff Kennett's comment's in this mornings HUN ...whacketty whack whack went Jeffrey Gibb Kennett :clapping :clapping
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you raise some good points about future trading and draft sanctions into the future billy. ditto for melbourne.
I wonder if some of the deals melbourne made were on the premise that they may loose picks in this draft, so better to get something for them at the time rather than lose them altogether?
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you can be pretty sure that if they had banned adelaide from the draft then adelaide would have been in court seeking an injunction quick as a flash.
The AFL already walk a tightrope in terms of restraint of trade with the players, so the last thing they want is a can of worms opened in such a court case.
true obviously innocent until proven guilty, but why not delay the draft then until they receive a fair case with time to prepare.
That would make more sense wouldn't it?
But wouldn't delaying the draft be unfair on the other 17 clubs?
Ever club is in training for 2013, all kids need a full pre-season to get the right conditioning and alot of clubs want to play their new young talent ASAP. So with that in mind delaying the draft would only hurt clubs and the kids who have done nothing wrong
I reckon al, is right the AFL is walking a tightrope and dont want a court battle. The other thing the AFL has done is create a bit of a precedent by allowing Melb to participate because they have yet to finish the tanking investigation which has been going on what 5 months now?. Adelaide would cry foul over that as well. Both investigations should be done dusted and the punishments handed out weeks ago
Having said I wouldn't have delayed the hearing and I don't believe Adel should be allowed to participate in the first 2 rounds of the draft; ditto Melbourne
But the other thing with Adelaide too is that they only have 1 pick (20) that is really "valuable" in this draft, their other 2 for memory are int he 50's & 60's. So one could argue that punishing them for say the next two drafts after this one will hurt them more as no-one will want to trade with them because pick wise they have nothing to offer and they will have no decent picks to use in the draft. I mean what happens if Adelaide drops down the ladder next year out of the 8 or bottom end of the 8? Means no top 10 draft picks for them = the penalty automatically becomes harsher than losing their first round pick this season ;)
Finally have to say I agree with Jeff Kennett's comment's in this mornings HUN ...whacketty whack whack went Jeffrey Gibb Kennett :clapping :clapping
yeah good point but whats worse for the image and integrity of the game
a few new players starting a few weeks later or the Crows possibly winning the flag.
Agreed pick 20 or whatever they have in this draft doesn't really mean much but IMO it just doesn't feel right. I think it should start later and if found guilty then clubs given compensation.
On the flip side would be a farce if they played off in a GF or worse won it knowing they cheated their way to the top.
It would then be so ill relevant for them what penalty they copped.
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yeah good point but whats worse for the image and integrity of the game
a few new players starting a few weeks later or the Crows possibly winning the flag.
Agreed pick 20 or whatever they have in this draft doesn't really mean much but IMO it just doesn't feel right. I think it should start later and if found guilty then clubs given compensation.
On the flip side would be a farce if they played off in a GF or worse won it knowing they cheated their way to the top.
It would then be so ill relevant for them what penalty they copped.
Agree with you daniel, integrity of the comp should be the most important thing.
But sadly I think the integrity of the competition has been compromised for a long time now. HQs unwillingness to even consider the possibility of tanking existing has proved that.
What's important in this situation IMO is that the penalties be harsher that anything they've dished out before and that there will not be any chance they can be challenged.
As i said I don't think they should be allowed to participate this years draft but thats not going to happen. I'd rather the penalties stick than get thrown out in some court challenge because they AFL stuffed up again
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Holding off any draft penalties could actually hurt Adelaide more next year. They had a soft draw this year which got them an easy run to the finals. If they slide down the ladder next season then instead of losing pick 20 they could have a top 10 pick in next year's draft taken off them by the AFL.
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We got decent picks this year, next year we should have worse picks if things go to plan. Punish Melbourne and Adelaide next year so our worse picks become a little bit better!
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Adelaide goes before the AFL commission today.
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KURT Tippett is facing half a season out of the game after negotiations with the AFL neared completion on the eve of the commission's special hearing into Adelaide's salary cap misdemeanours.
Tippett is understood to have agreed to settle for a substantial suspension for his part in the draft and salary cap breaches that will also lead to Adelaide being removed from the first two rounds of next year's national draft and fined as much as $300,000.
Tippett is expected to be suspended for 10 to 12 home-and-away games as a result of his plea, subject to approval of the proposed punishment by the AFL Commission on Friday. He is also likely to be fined.
In addition, he is expected to receive a suspended sentence for a similar period of about half a season.
Adelaide's decision to remove itself from the opening rounds of the 2012 national draft appears to have worked in its favour in terms of a penalty, since the AFL had the power to remove it from three or even four drafts. In effect, the penalty is to miss the opening two rounds of consecutive drafts, given the club's pre-emptive action.
Adelaide chief executive Steven Trigg and football manager Phil Harper are also facing suspensions of up to several months.
While the AFL Commission can set its own penalty for the club and its former player, disregarding the recommendations of the league's executive, that is unlikely.
The severity of the penalty, of course, hinges to an extent on where the Crows finish in 2013; if they finish in a lowly ladder position, the loss of an early choice is clearly more punitive, but if they maintain their high ladder spot, it will not be as serious.
The AFL granted Tippett permission to remove himself from Adelaide's list this week and enter the pre-season draft. But he cannot nominate his financial terms until after the penalties have been set.
The commission hearing starts on Friday morning at AFL House and is expected to be concluded within the day, with an announcement of the penalties to follow.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tippett-may-miss-half-a-season-over-cap-breach-20121129-2airb.html#ixzz2Dd5QKkG1
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The AFL commission has handed down its decision just now.
Tippett rubbed out for the first 11 rounds next year.
Adelaide has been suspended from the first and second rounds of the 2013 draft. No father-sons either and they've been fined $300k.
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The AFL commission has handed down its decision just now.
Tippett rubbed out for the first 11 rounds next year.
Adelaide has been suspended from the first and second rounds of the 2013 draft. No father-sons either and they've been fined $300k.
But Adel can trade players for 1st round draft picks ::) ::) and they can get 1st round picks issued to them as compo for Free Agency :gobdrop :gobdrop
Pathetic decision, they've got off very lightly indeed :banghead :banghead
Disgraceful :banghead :banghead
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Tippett was also fined $50k which is a pittance compared to what he will be paid at the Swans.
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Adelaide chief executive Steven Trigg and former Crows football manager John Reid were both fined $50,000 and banned from all AFL functions - including matches and training - for 12 months. Six months of both sentence was suspended for five years.
Current football manager Phil Harper was banned from football for six months, with four months of the ban suspended for five years.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/crows-to-present-united-front-at-afl-commission/story-e6frf9jf-1226526986690
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And the let off will facilitate the next club to cheat. See this thread at the end of 2014.
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AFL statement including fines and sanctions
afl.com.au
7:16 PM Fri 30 Nov, 2012
THE FULL AFL Commission today met in Melbourne to hear the matter of breaches of the AFL Player Rules for conduct prejudicial to the draft and in breach of the Total Player Payments (TPP) provisions of the AFL Rules by the Adelaide Crows Football Club, current and former officials of the Adelaide Crows Football Club and former Adelaide Crows listed-player Kurt Tippett.
AFL Commission chairman Mike Fitzpatrick said the commission regarded the salary cap and draft as fundamental to the development and ongoing success of the AFL, and the long-term future of the 18 AFL clubs.
"For this reason, there can be no room in our game to disregard or breach our rules," Mr Fitzpatrick said.
"To safeguard our competition, the rights of all clubs, and the faith of our fans, there can be no compromise when it comes to the enforcement of our rules.
"The AFL Commission has today dealt with offences dating back more than three years, relating to the Adelaide Football Club, servants of the club and player Kurt Tippett, seeking to both circumvent the operation of the draft and trading system, as well as to breach the total player payments provisions of the AFL's rules," he said.
Mr Fitzpatrick said all parties had pleaded guilty to all charges and the AFL Commission took into account the levels of remorse by each of the charged parties. The commission's decisions were as follows:
Adelaide Football Club is:
1. Fined $300,000
2. Prohibited from exercising, at the 2013 National Draft, its round one and round two selections, as those selections are identified immediately prior to the exchange period as specified under rule 4.3.
3. Prohibited from exercising, at the 2013 National Draft, any rights conveyed under rule 4.2.1 or rule 4.2.2.
Note that the sanction referred to in paragraph two above does not prohibit Adelaide FC from exercising a round one or round two selection at the 2013 National Draft if it obtained those selections via an exchange under rule 4.3 or by way of free agency compensation under rule 38.6.
Steven Trigg is:
4. Fined $50,000;
5. Suspended for a period of 12 months from occupying any office or performing any function (including attending matches or training sessions) for or on behalf of any club, such suspension to commence on 1 January 2013;
Note that, pursuant to rule 16.1, on the condition that Trigg receives no payment of money or receipt of benefits of any kind from any club for, or in respect of, the period of six months commencing on 1 January 2013, six months of the 12 month suspension is suspended for a period of five years.
John Reid is
6. Suspended for a period of 12 months from occupying any office or performing any function (including attending matches or training sessions) for or on behalf of a club, such suspension to commence on 1 January 2013;
Note that, pursuant to rule 16.1, on the condition that Reid receives no payment of money or receipt of benefits of any kind from any club for, or in respect of, the period of 6 months commencing on 1 January 2013, six months of the 12 month suspension is suspended for a period of five years.
Phil Harper is:
7. Suspended for a period of six months from occupying any office or performing any function (including attending matches or training sessions) for or on behalf of a club such suspension to commence on 1 January 2013.
Note that, pursuant to rule 16.1, on the condition that Harper receives no payment of money or receipt of benefits of any kind from any Club for, or in respect of, the period of 2 months commencing on 1 January 2013, 4 months of the six month suspension is suspended for a period of five years.
Kurt Tippett is:
8. Suspended from participating in the pre-season competition 2013 and for 22 home and away matches of AFL football in the 2013 premiership season on the basis that the final 11 home and away matches of the suspension are suspended for a period of five years.
9. Fined $50,000
Note that the sanction referred to in paragraph eight is imposed by way of condition pursuant to rule 16.1 on the basis that Kurt Tippett is relieved from the liability for the sanction specified in rule 17.19.2(c).
Note that the suspended sentence in respect of any party would be triggered by a further breach by that party of rule 17 of the AFL player rules within the five year period or by a failure to comply with the sanctions ordered above.
Mr Fitzpatrick said he wanted to acknowledge for the record the Adelaide Crows Football Club, led by club chairman Rob Chapman, had co-operated fully with the AFL, once the investigative process had begun, including opening all records to auditors and making all relevant staff available at all times, including those individuals facing charges.
The AFL Commission had also taken into account the fact the Adelaide Crows Football Club had elected to forfeit its first two selections at the recent NAB AFL draft, in advance of today's hearing.
Mr Fitzpatrick said he commended the work of AFL general manager football operations Adrian Anderson and senior AFL football operations staff Ken Wood and Brett Clothier for their work around this investigation.
"On behalf of the AFL Commission, I want all 18 clubs and all supporters around the country to clearly understand our position.
"Any club engaging in a scheme involving payments to players in contravention of our rules will be penalised.
"AFL club officials, players and player managers have a fundamental responsibility to their members and supporters and the game to manage their affairs in an honest, open and responsible way," Mr Fitzpatrick said.
AFL chief executive officer Andrew Demetriou said the process for today's hearing was that the commission considered a total of 11 charges laid by the general manager of football operations, Adrian Anderson. These were as follows:
Three charges against the Adelaide Crows Football Club - related to being involved in a breach of the rules for conduct prejudicial to the draft and a breach of the rules relating to conduct prejudicial to the Total Player Payments provisions.
Three charges against the Adelaide Crows CEO Steven Trigg: - as per those against the club, related to being involved in a breach of the rules for conduct prejudicial to the draft and a breach of the rules relating to conduct prejudicial to the Total Player Payments provisions.
Two charges against former Adelaide Crows general manager football operations John Reid: - related to being involved in a breach of the rules for conduct prejudicial to the Draft and a breach of the rules relating to conduct prejudicial to the Total Player Payments provisions.
One charge against current Adelaide Crows general manager football operations Phil Harper: - related to being involved in a breach of the rules for conduct prejudicial to the Total Player Payments provisions.
Two charges against formerly listed Adelaide Crows player Kurt Tippett: - related to being involved in a breach of the rules for conduct prejudicial to the draft and a breach of the rules relating to conduct prejudicial to the Total Player Payments provisions.
"As announced by chairman Mike Fitzpatrick, all parties pleaded guilty to all charges laid against them," Mr Demetriou said.
"The charges against the Adelaide Crows Football Club, its officials and former player Kurt Tippett all related to, firstly, a side agreement, outside the standard playing contract, for the Adelaide Crows to transfer player Tippett to the club of his choice after the 2012 season. This agreement was signed in 2009 and did not come to the attention of the AFL until the latter part of this year.
"Secondly, there were side agreements, outside the operation of the TPP rules, for payments to player Tippett of $100,000 in both 2011 and 2012, in addition to his standard playing contract and an ASA contract with the club for promotional work. These side agreements were signed in 2009 and did not come to the attention of the AFL until the latter part of this year. As part of this, a number of inaccurate statutory declarations were lodged by the Adelaide Crows with the AFL. The effect of this would have been to make Kurt Tippett a free agent when he was not entitled to be one.
"Thirdly, there was the facilitation by the Adelaide Crows Football Club of three separate side agreements, outside the operation of the TPP rules, for payments to player Tippett in 2011 and 2012, in addition to his standard playing contract and an ASA contract with the club for promotional work. The facilitation of these agreements occurred across the various years 2009, 2010 and 2011 and did not come to the attention of the AFL until the latter part of this year. As part of this, a number of inaccurate statutory declarations were lodged by the Adelaide Crows with the AFL."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/151973/default.aspx
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they've hit the individuals involved reasonably hard
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they've hit the individuals involved reasonably hard
I thought that at first, but noticed that the amount of their punishments that is suspended is convenient enough as to not make their positions untenable.
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even so, 50k fine plus 6 months loss of income from their footy jobs is a reasonable whack.
they can still find employment elsewhere, but it would be difficult to search out 6 months tenure, thats if they wish to return to footy.
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@BrendanFevola25: Kurt gets 11matches and fresh for finals plus a multi mill contract to the swans. I got peeed and lost my career. #WellplayedKurt #winning
LOL
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Tippett putting the whole blame onto Adelaide.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/151971/default.aspx
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How do we benefit??
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How do we benefit??
The only way we benefit Ox is if we finish above the Crows on the ladder next year then our first pick will move up the draft order by one spot and our second pick moves up by two (ignoring trades/free agency compo).
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It puts anyone wanting do deal with them in terms of trades in the box seat, as they can utilise any draft pick traded for a player and will be desperate to do so.
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It puts anyone wanting do deal with them in terms of trades in the box seat, as they can utilise any draft pick traded for a player and will be desperate to do so.
It's one draft, I don't think they'll be throwing extra eggs into the basket for one draft
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if someone wants to leave, they can gain themselves an early pick. i reckon they wouldn't push too hard a bargain if this was the case.
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@BrendanFevola25: Kurt gets 11matches and fresh for finals plus a multi mill contract to the swans. I got peeed and lost my career. #WellplayedKurt #winning
LOL
Fevvy :cheers
Rookie draft?
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The AFL may think they handed out tough penalties but they have punished the rest of the clubs not involved in any of this saga as well. Effectively they will let the reigning premiers gain a player worth a first round pick in the free market (non free agent) and let him walk into their side for just a cheapo PSD pick. Reminds me how the Swans got Lockett on the cheap thanks to the AFL ::). As for allowing Crow officials who tried to cheat the system to regain their positions in just 6 months time - laughable! Adelaide only owned up because they got caught.