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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Bengal on February 06, 2013, 08:02:29 AM
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lol just throwing it out there.. If Jobe one Kinobi gets stripped of his medal will the Trentstar be given it? :shh
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Good point.
If he does, will that mean that sportsbet will pay up????
I had $50 on him at $51 :pray :pray :pray
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Hope not personally. Even if Watson was involved and was stripped of it, I would rather see Cotch come out and say thanks but no thanks, I would rather win one fair and square.
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Hope not personally. Even if Watson was involved and was stripped of it, I would rather see Cotch come out and say thanks but no thanks, I would rather win one fair and square.
thats a crock. if he was cheating screw him and the whole club.
J Charles copped it and so they should they
They deserve nothing that pathetic club
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Hope not personally. Even if Watson was involved and was stripped of it, I would rather see Cotch come out and say thanks but no thanks, I would rather win one fair and square.
thats a crock. if he was cheating screw him and the whole club.
J Charles copped it and so they should they
They deserve nothing that pathetic club
Hey Daniel, I wasn't saying Watson shouldn't be stripped or Essendon cop their whack, just that I would rather Cotch say he didn't want a 'tainted' medal and would prefer to win one outright.
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Hope not personally. Even if Watson was involved and was stripped of it, I would rather see Cotch come out and say thanks but no thanks, I would rather win one fair and square.
thats a crock. if he was cheating screw him and the whole club.
J Charles copped it and so they should they
They deserve nothing that pathetic club
Hey Daniel, I wasn't saying Watson shouldn't be stripped or Essendon cop their whack, just that I would rather Cotch say he didn't want a 'tainted' medal and would prefer to win one outright.
I dont think Cotch would accept it either.
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But he would've won it fair and square? It is the best and FAIREST, which if proven to be one the players, Jobe wasn't.
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Hope not personally. Even if Watson was involved and was stripped of it, I would rather see Cotch come out and say thanks but no thanks, I would rather win one fair and square.
If Watson is found guilty of cheating Smokey, it's perfectly fair that Trent becomes a Brownlow Medalist.
It may not be under the circumstances that he would like but surely Jobe Watson is starting to feel undeserving of his win right now?
If found guilty, he's a cheat and like being suspended for an on field infringement not "the fairest"
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Apparently Watson is NOT one of the 12 or so Essendon players that took the "supplement". Non-issue.
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Apparently Watson is NOT one of the 12 or so Essendon players that took the "supplement". Non-issue.
I disagree that its a non issue. A team is made up of 22 players. When a team wins a game of footy the winning team usually gets the 3 votes and the 2 votes for the brownlow. 1 player on his own cant win a game of football he needs his teammates to get him the ball, to give him the ball, to pass the ball to. Its a very complicated issue.
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Apparently Watson is NOT one of the 12 or so Essendon players that took the "supplement". Non-issue.
I disagree that its a non issue. A team is made up of 22 players. When a team wins a game of footy the winning team usually gets the 3 votes and the 2 votes for the brownlow. 1 player on his own cant win a game of football he needs his teammates to get him the ball, to give him the ball, to pass the ball to. Its a very complicated issue.
True, but Watson did carry that team throughout the whole season. It shows just how good he is that he stands out as their best performer by far, despite not taking any "supplements".
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Hope not personally. Even if Watson was involved and was stripped of it, I would rather see Cotch come out and say thanks but no thanks, I would rather win one fair and square.
He's.got no chance if his rivals are.shooting up.
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I can understand where smokey is coming from, but its really the same issue as if a player polls the most votes and is suspended.
Apparently Watson is NOT one of the 12 or so Essendon players that took the "supplement". Non-issue.
I disagree that its a non issue. A team is made up of 22 players. When a team wins a game of footy the winning team usually gets the 3 votes and the 2 votes for the brownlow. 1 player on his own cant win a game of football he needs his teammates to get him the ball, to give him the ball, to pass the ball to. Its a very complicated issue.
LOL, why not take it a step further and say that is a player is suspended his whole team should be disqualified from the brownlow?
That really is clutching at straws.
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I can understand where smokey is coming from, but its really the same issue as if a player polls the most votes and is suspended.
Apparently Watson is NOT one of the 12 or so Essendon players that took the "supplement". Non-issue.
I disagree that its a non issue. A team is made up of 22 players. When a team wins a game of footy the winning team usually gets the 3 votes and the 2 votes for the brownlow. 1 player on his own cant win a game of football he needs his teammates to get him the ball, to give him the ball, to pass the ball to. Its a very complicated issue.
LOL, why not take it a step further and say that is a player is suspended his whole team should be disqualified from the brownlow?
That really is clutching at straws.
its more than 1 player we are talking about ;D
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Would you rather Graham or Maric tapping it to your advantage? And when you rest forward would you rather Jackson or Deledio kicking it down your throat. With a team full of juice suddenly everyone around you are bigger faster stronger and that makes your job a lot easier.
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Hope not personally. Even if Watson was involved and was stripped of it, I would rather see Cotch come out and say thanks but no thanks, I would rather win one fair and square.
thats a crock. if he was cheating screw him and the whole club.
J Charles copped it and so they should they
They deserve nothing that pathetic club
Hey Daniel, I wasn't saying Watson shouldn't be stripped or Essendon cop their whack, just that I would rather Cotch say he didn't want a 'tainted' medal and would prefer to win one outright.
I dont think Cotch would accept it either.
Agree with smokey & Ramps
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:thumbsup
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Bloody well take it and be proud boys
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Best and fairest
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I think Dusty will take few votes off Cotch and so will Miles. I wouldn't be surprised if Cotch gets no where near it..
If he poles well in the first 13 rounds then maybe he has a chance, otherwise.. :-\
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Chimps 2nd Charlie. :bow
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i actually meant they get Wason's
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Chimps 2nd Charlie. :bow
When was the first??
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see brackets post above yours wat
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If Jobe had a concience he'd get up at this years brownlow, make a copy of his own and hand over the copy and the orig to chimp and mitchell.
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Even if Cotch was awarded the 2012 Brownlow in retrospect, no doubt he'd rather win one on the Monday night before a Grand Final.
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Do I collect? Backed him e/w! stuffing drug cheats!
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I have been disgusted by this situation. Clearly won this Brownlow juiced!
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I have been disgusted by this situation. Clearly won this Brownlow juiced!
Was one if the worst players going around only a few short years before
The wonder juice is remarkable
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I have been disgusted by this situation. Clearly won this Brownlow juiced!
Stats have never been as good before or since the year he won. Coincidence...?
Congrats Cotch.
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Round 5 26th Apr Fremantle Loss 80-81 18 8 26 1 0 1 4 0 1 4 3 3
Round 4 20th Apr Collingwood Loss 79-113 14 13 27 6 0 1 3 0 0 0 2 0
Round 3 14th Apr Western Bulldogs Win 135-68 25 11 36 6 0 1 1 0 2 5 2 1 3
Round 2 5th Apr St Kilda Win 99-82 20 11 31 5 0 0 5 0 0 7 4 0 2
Round 1 28th Mar Carlton Win 106-101 22 11 33 3 0 1 2 0 2 6 1 2 3
Cotchin was in top form until he almost broke his leg and was not rested
Did not have a bad end to the season either
Elimination Final 7th Sep Port Adelaide Loss 75-132 9 7 16 0 0 0 4 0 0 2 1 2 52 80
Round 23 30th Aug Sydney Win 68-65 12 17 29 2 0 0 4 0 0 4 3 3 86 93
Round 22 24th Aug St Kilda Win 98-72 7 15 22 2 0 0 1 0 1 2 2 1 60 65
Round 21 16th Aug Adelaide Win 79-69 17 11 28 1 1 1 10 0 1 5 1 2 118 130
Round 20 8th Aug Essendon Win 95-77 16 6 22 7 1 0 6 0 0 5 2 0 113 104
Round 19 2nd Aug GWS Win 89-62 19 11 30 5 1 0 2 0 0 2 5 0 113 105
Round 18 25th Jul West Coast Win 59-42 6 9 15 1 1 0 3 0 0 2 0 1 54 67
Round 17 13th Jul Port Adelaide Win 126-106 17 9 26 2 1 0 4 1 2 4 2 0 100 112
Round 16 5th Jul Brisbane Win 79-54 16 21 37 3 0 1 3 0 2 2 1 1 110 133
Round 15 28th Jun St Kilda Win 117-73 16 15 31 6 5 1 2 0 0 1 3 0 138 168
Round 14 20th Jun Sydney Loss 51-62 20 13 33 8 0 2 2 0 0 2 1 1 118 94
Round 13 14th Jun Fremantle Loss 85-105 16 11 27 1 0 0 8 0 1 2 1 2 100 88
Round 12 8th Jun North Melbourne Loss 88-116 13 11 24 5 0 1 4 1 0 3 0 0 94 81
Round 11 31st May Essendon Loss 54-104 14 11 25 2 1 1 3 0 0 2 0 1 86 87
Round 10 24th May GWS Win 154-41 18 8 26 8 1 0 1 0 1 3 1 1 102 93
Round 9 17th May Melbourne Loss 74-91 14 12 26 5 1 1 6 0 0 1 0 1 109 112
Round 7 4th May Geelong Loss 76-81 19 4 23 1 1 0 5 1 1 3 3 2 92 95
Round 6 27th Apr Hawthorn Loss 52-118 15 6 21 3 0 0 7 0 0 4 1 0 95 84
Round 5 17th Apr Brisbane Win 106-63 24 8 32 5 1 0 7 0 1 5 1 0 138 134
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Jobe Watson’s right to keep his 2012 Brownlow Medal also remains at stake.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-players-may-miss-afl-premiership-matches-after-federal-court-challenges-into-asadaafl-investigation-failed/story-fnelctok-1227064741039
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As predicted with Cotch, no where near it, how could he with the games we played in the first 13... :-\
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As predicted with Cotch, no where near it, how could he with the games we played in the first 13... :-\
WAT, this thread was about Cotchin & Mitchell getting the Brownlow retrospectively if Watson gets stripped of his, not this years Medal
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:lol
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However, 18 votes is still good polling for what I thought wasn't a great year.
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However, 18 votes is still good polling for what I thought wasn't a great year.
How many votes did he get in 2012?
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However, 18 votes is still good polling for what I thought wasn't a great year.
How many votes did he get in 2012?
26 equal with Mitchell
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As predicted with Cotch, no where near it, how could he with the games we played in the first 13... :-\
WAT, this thread was about Cotchin & Mitchell getting the Brownlow retrospectively if Watson gets stripped of his, not this years Medal
Yes, ok, sorry Dad.
stuff off chuck.
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:gotigers cotch is a suckhole.
Mr straight but not in a Tom Hafey way.
In a suckhole gen Y/I way.
I'm off him.
Didn't deserve 18 votes but got them
From being a suck
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Whaddya reckon?
Timmy's little boy has already been given special privileges,
allowing him to play off in that buffoon of a game in Ireland
so what are the chances, even if found guilty(finally), that they would strip the medal from him?
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If he's suspended, he'll lose the medal.
The precedent for runners up being awarded a medal when others are suspended is there already re Chris Grant in 1997 when Harvey won.
So damn straight they should be awarded the medal for being best and FAIREST.
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I doubt it.
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The AFL will make up some kind of loop hole they can go through to let Jobe keep it
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The AFL will make up some kind of loop hole they can go through to let Jobe keep it
Yep.
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It's contaminated now anyway
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It's contaminated now anyway
Not if it's given to the best and FAIREST player ;)
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I think it's more likely that the medal be voided and no recipient recorded for that year. I can't see Cotchin or Mitchell accepting it under those circumstances.
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Who would care by now anyway? It's so long ago all the glory is gone.
Retrospective medal... Don't think either bloke would be that excited.
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If the sporting agencies pay out, yes! Otherwise cgaf now, the moments gone.
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pretty rich deleting my comments and calling them puerile after what you let slide in the Martin thread. :lol
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I think it's more likely that the medal be voided and no recipient recorded for that year. I can't see Cotchin or Mitchell accepting it under those circumstances.
Nah stuff that. If a bloke is caught cheating then the next clean player gets it.
This is not the Tour de France where they were all on EPO.
Would tarnish the entire competition if they left it blank.
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This becomes a real issue now for the AFL.
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It's as simple as this, he has been found guilty regardless of how or through who or what he has been found guilty. The Brownlow medal is for the best and fairest in the comp, that's simple. Did he have an unfair advantage by using performance enhancing drugs? Yes he did, that's simple. The entire club is at fault, if it were in a premiership year would they lose the cup? Yes, that's simple.
Should he lose the medal, yes and it's that simple. Is anyone going to say that he didn't notice the extra stamina and endurance that he miraculously gained?? He knew!
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It's as simple as this, he has been found guilty regardless of how or through who or what he has been found guilty. The Brownlow medal is for the best and fairest in the comp, that's simple. Did he have an unfair advantage by using performance enhancing drugs? Yes he did, that's simple. The entire club is at fault, if it were in a premiership year would they lose the cup? Yes, that's simple.
Should he lose the medal, yes and it's that simple. Is anyone going to say that he didn't notice the extra stamina and endurance that he miraculously gained?? He knew!
Could you confirm the simplicity of your statement
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Based on the playing out of his skin performances and the performance of his team mates that helped him win the Brownlow by winning those games as a team there can only be one solution here!
Give back the Brownlow Jobe as you clearly did not win it fairly!
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Jobe Watson's Brownlow Medal in limbo until February meeting: AFL
Travis King
AFL.com.au
January 12, 2016 7:46 PM
THE AFL Commission will hold a meeting in February to decide whether Essendon captain Jobe Watson will keep his 2012 Brownlow Medal.
Watson's medal was put in jeopardy when the Court of Arbitration for Sport found 34 past and present Essendon players, including Watson, guilty of taking banned substance Thymosin Beta-4 in 2012 and suspended them for the entire 2016 season.
AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan announced on Tuesday the AFL Commission needed time to review the 2012 Brownlow Medal.
"The Commission determined that the awarding of this medal needs to be reviewed in light of today's decision," McLachlan said.
"It is the AFL's view that due process must apply in this matter.
"Therefore it was determined that the full Commission must hear this issue and that a February meeting would provide the appropriate level of time for parties to get prepared.
"Jobe Watson will be invited to address the Commission as (well as) potentially other relevant parties."
Watson faces the prospect of becoming the first player in VFL/AFL history to be stripped of the award for a doping violation.
His father, Tim, told Channel Seven on Tuesday night he had not discussed the issue with his son but he imagined in time Jobe would come to his own conclusion on the matter.
He said Jobe may decide not to address the AFL Commission.
Watson polled 30 Brownlow votes in the 2012 season to finish four votes clear of Richmond midfielder Trent Cotchin and Hawthorn star Sam Mitchell.
McLachlan said Watson needed to be given the opportunity to address the Commission on the matter given the extraordinary circumstances.
"The fact (is), it's a highly circumstantial case," McLachlan said.
"The decision has been based on a burden of proof that is comfortable satisfaction.
"Those two facts alone mean it's appropriate that he comes and makes a representation.
"This will be one of the most significant decisions that the Commission has had to make in my time in the AFL and natural process alone, as well as the things I've mentioned, mean that it's appropriate that he fronts the Commission."
McLachlan said he had not spoken to Watson since the CAS decision was announced but he said he would speak to him in the coming days.
AFL Players' Association chief executive Paul Marsh said he hoped the AFL would allow Watson to keep his medal.
"I don't think Jobe or any of the others have done anything wrong," Marsh said.
"I hope the AFL, with a decision that's under their control, make a decision that allows Jobe to keep his Brownlow Medal."
Watson was also named All Australian in 2012 but McLachlan did not mention that honour in relation to February's Commission meeting.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-01-12/jobe-watsons-brownlow-medal-in-limbo-until-february-meeting-afl
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I'd gladly take a Brownlow off of a lying drug cheat who's daddy works for channel seven.
Weari it with pride, Cotch.
You had a great year.
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Cotch should've won anyway. Multiple games he was bog and only
Polled 1 or no votes
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I'm prepared to share - Mitchell can have the half that says 'Best', while Cotch gets the half that says 'Fairest'! :cheers
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Is it chimps fault efc are drug cheats? I think not
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It's as simple as this, he has been found guilty regardless of how or through who or what he has been found guilty. The Brownlow medal is for the best and fairest in the comp, that's simple. Did he have an unfair advantage by using performance enhancing drugs? Yes he did, that's simple. The entire club is at fault, if it were in a premiership year would they lose the cup? Yes, that's simple.
Should he lose the medal, yes and it's that simple. Is anyone going to say that he didn't notice the extra stamina and endurance that he miraculously gained?? He knew!
Could you confirm the simplicity of your statement
Simple :lol
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I don't see why the title of the thread refers to "Watson's Brownlow". Clearly it isn't.
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I don't see why the title of the thread refers to "Watson's Brownlow". Clearly it isn't.
It is until its taken away, have some respect
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Lol
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I don't see why the title of the thread refers to "Watson's Brownlow". Clearly it isn't.
It is until its taken away
Clearly :thumbsup
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If Jobe was truly as honest, warm, friendly and dignified as the publics perception of him and his old man, he would March down to AFL house, hand the medal over and apologise.
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Tim is a huge flog
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They absolutely should, just like they do in all other sports.
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Was chimp the best and fairest according to the maggots?
Is it chimps fault his rivals are drug cheats?
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Cotchin on Ch 7 afternoon news after the break.
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Wonder what his stance will be.
"It's just terrible what he players are going through"
:snidegrin
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Cotch interviewed by Ch 7 at Punt Road:
* Not going to comment (about what should happen with the 2012 Brownlow).
* At this stage, it's still Jobe's Brownlow.
* It must be shattering for the (Essendon) players to miss a year of footy but he wasn't at the coalface to know what happened.
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And that's why he's a poo leader
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He's either a fence sitter or a bullshitter
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It's pretty simple really- if a guy gets suspended for 12 months for taking drugs then any award/medal from that year is surely taken from that player.
The AFL are gutless allowing this to go on any longer. What is there left to discuss????
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The gutlessness of the league
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Absolutely gutless.
But we knew that already
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The league deferred it so Jobe could hand it back himself instead of them having to make the tough call. Seriously pathetic. Unless I'm mistaken, in other sports the person who came second to drug cheats is retrospectively named the winner, why should the afl be different?
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Lol wow
Afl :clapping
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The league deferred it so Jobe could hand it back himself instead of them having to make the tough call. Seriously pathetic. Unless I'm mistaken, in other sports the person who came second to drug cheats is retrospectively named the winner, why should the afl be different?
Actually the Russian bloke who's banned fro doping who beat the Aussie bloke (Jarrad Talient I think is his name) in the Walking at the London Olympics still hasn't had his medal stripped and the Aussie has been awared it retrospectively yet
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I can picture a scene from the movie that will be made - Cotchum & Smitchell are having an intense discussion over the whole affair -
"Where's our preciousss?"
"That fat Hobbit has stolen it! Stolen it from us, preciousss!"
"WATSONSSS! I hate those stupid, fat, hairy Watsonsss! The filthy little thievesss have stolen it from usss! Stolen it, preciousss, they stole it from usss!"
"Come now preciousss, we must get it back!"
"But no, wait! We can't do it, we can't wring itsss filthy little neck & take the preciousss back!"
"No, you're right, preciousss. We can't do it ... but we could let Her, do it ..."
"Her?"
"Yesss, the Queen Spider, She-Pegg ... she could do it. Cotchum! Cotchum!"
"Ahhh, yesss preciousss! She could do it, preciousss!"
"We feeds the stupid fat Hobbit to She-Pegg & when she kicks the empty bones & clothes out of her lair we takesss it back, preciousss! The preciousss will be oursss at long last! Cotchum! Cotchum!"
"So, we are decided, preciousss?"
"Yesss, we are decided ... we let Her do it ... Cotchum! Cotchum!"
The rest of the saga pretty much writes itself, but Cotchum & Smitchell end up taking back their preciousss for themselves ..
... the end ...
It could be an epic tale .... ;D
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m.foxsports.com.au/afl/essendon-captain-jobe-watson-wanted-a-sit-down-protest-before-game-against-western-bulldogs/story-e6frf3e3-1226030492105
Give it back jobe your drug cheat tosser
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If he keeps it the Brownlow medal is basically a joke. Can't happen.
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The league deferred it so Jobe could hand it back himself instead of them having to make the tough call. Seriously pathetic. Unless I'm mistaken, in other sports the person who came second to drug cheats is retrospectively named the winner, why should the afl be different?
Actually the Russian bloke who's banned fro doping who beat the Aussie bloke (Jarrad Talient I think is his name) in the Walking at the London Olympics still hasn't had his medal stripped and the Aussie has been awared it retrospectively yet
Is that the final decision or is still going through the process?
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So it's been 4 days since th verdict and the little daddy's boy is still holding not his medal
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Tim should tell his drug chest scum son to return the medal
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I have emailed the Victorian Gaming Commission or whatever they're called about the betting ramifications, but got fobbed off to the NT Commission which my betting agency comes under the jurisdiction of. Have redirected my enquiry - I bet I'll get fobbed off here as well. Doubt anyone wants to open this little can of worms ha.
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I have emailed the Victorian Gaming Commission or whatever they're called about the betting ramifications, but got fobbed off to the NT Commission which my betting agency comes under the jurisdiction of. Have redirected my enquiry - I bet I'll get fobbed off here as well. Doubt anyone wants to open this little can of worms ha.
Get em on their Facebook page or tweet em. Harder to sweep you under the rug that way.
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I have emailed the Victorian Gaming Commission or whatever they're called about the betting ramifications, but got fobbed off to the NT Commission which my betting agency comes under the jurisdiction of. Have redirected my enquiry - I bet I'll get fobbed off here as well. Doubt anyone wants to open this little can of worms ha.
Get em on their Facebook page or tweet em. Harder to sweep you under the rug that way.
Good thinking :thumbsup
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#handitback
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I have emailed the Victorian Gaming Commission or whatever they're called about the betting ramifications, but got fobbed off to the NT Commission which my betting agency comes under the jurisdiction of. Have redirected my enquiry - I bet I'll get fobbed off here as well. Doubt anyone wants to open this little can of worms ha.
Get em on their Facebook page or tweet em. Harder to sweep you under the rug that way.
Good thinking :thumbsup
. I'll go after them on FACEBOOK if it helps.
Actually Ill do it even if it doesn't help
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I have emailed the Victorian Gaming Commission or whatever they're called about the betting ramifications, but got fobbed off to the NT Commission which my betting agency comes under the jurisdiction of. Have redirected my enquiry - I bet I'll get fobbed off here as well. Doubt anyone wants to open this little can of worms ha.
Get em on their Facebook page or tweet em. Harder to sweep you under the rug that way.
Good thinking :thumbsup
. I'll go after them on FACEBOOK if it helps.
Actually Ill do it even if it doesn't help
As far as im aware name of the mob these days is the VCGLR (Victorian Commission for Gambling and Liquor Regulation).
Hit em up
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The league deferred it so Jobe could hand it back himself instead of them having to make the tough call. Seriously pathetic. Unless I'm mistaken, in other sports the person who came second to drug cheats is retrospectively named the winner, why should the afl be different?
Actually the Russian bloke who's banned fro doping who beat the Aussie bloke (Jarrad Talient I think is his name) in the Walking at the London Olympics still hasn't had his medal stripped and the Aussie has been awared it retrospectively yet
Is that the final decision or is still going through the process?
Believe he has been banned after failing the drug test, not sure if he is appealing
But they had the Aussie kid on SEN before Xmas and he was saying the Russian was suspended he was still waiting for "his" medal
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I have emailed the Victorian Gaming Commission or whatever they're called about the betting ramifications, but got fobbed off to the NT Commission which my betting agency comes under the jurisdiction of. Have redirected my enquiry - I bet I'll get fobbed off here as well. Doubt anyone wants to open this little can of worms ha.
Get em on their Facebook page or tweet em. Harder to sweep you under the rug that way.
Good thinking :thumbsup
. I'll go after them on FACEBOOK if it helps.
Actually Ill do it even if it doesn't help
As far as im aware name of the mob these days is the VCGLR (Victorian Commission for Gambling and Liquor Regulation).
Hit em up
My bet was with Centrebet which is NT. I contacted the VCGLR and they directed me there. Wait their response via email as can't find FB page
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I haven't got a receipt of it though which is problematic lol
Surely they would keep histories though
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:facepalm :facepalm
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:facepalm :facepalm
Yes, there will be tears
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:clapping
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AFL is left with no choice, Jobe
Jon Ralph
Herald-Sun
January 26, 2016
IMAGINE the outcry if the Court of Arbitration for Sport or International Olympic Committee allowed Russian walker Sergey Kirdyapkin to keep his London 2012 gold medal.
That ruling would deny Australian Jared Tallent his deserved — yet belated — Olympic gold medal and turn sport into a laughing stock again.
The Court of Arbitration for Sport has already ended Jobe Watson’s chances of competing this year, with its ruling on the Russian drug cheat to be announced in coming weeks.
Watson has the chance to plead his case at a February 15 AFL Commission meeting which will then rule on his 2012 Brownlow Medal.
AFL identity Jeffrey Browne tells the Herald Sun Watson losing his medal would be a “pinnacle of injustice”.
Yet surely this is the only simple decision in three years of dense, complicated arguments over the fate of the Essendon 34.
If the highest court available to world sport finds you guilty of drug-cheating, you can’t keep a Brownlow Medal won that same year.
No matter how good a bloke you are. Or how heart-wrenching a decision this must be for the AFL Commission.
Under the new WADA code Watson would automatically lose all awards won, but the applicable version from the 2012 season says he should lose it “unless fairness requires otherwise”.
If Watson and his colleagues had won a “no significant fault” discount and received a reduced sanction, the AFL might theoretically have some wriggle room.
But if we are to be a signatory of WADA, we can’t pick and choose when to apply its rules.
James Hird argued with bizarre logic in his baffling ABC interview the AFL Tribunal found players not guilty so he would simply ignore the CAS founding.
It isn’t open to the AFL Commission to do the same, just as they couldn’t ignore the banning of those 17 current AFL-listed players.
No one in this saga has acted with more fortitude, more care to his teammates, more courage under fire than Jobe Watson.
And as his dad Tim Watson said of his son’s Brownlow Medal, it isn’t the only thing in his life.
“To me the Brownlow doesn’t define Jobe, and I’m talking as a father now,” said Watson.
“We didn’t love him any more because he won the Brownlow and we wouldn’t love him any less if he lost the Brownlow.”
But CAS made a compelling case that Essendon’s players were not only guilty, they were in ASADA boss Ben McDevitt’s words “complicit in a culture of concealment”.
According to McDevitt, they hid injections from their doctor and ASADA, made no inquiries about the substances to ASADA, and had a “fatal” lack of curiosity.
It just doesn’t give the AFL Commission any possibility of allowing Watson to retain his medal.
One theory being pushed is that the AFL would leave the 2012 Brownlow Medal vacant rather than hand it to the pair of 2012 runners-up.
Yet the Brownlow Medal has a precedent of retrospectively handing out Brownlows.
There is no precedent for the stripping of a Brownlow, yet there is no good reason why two players — Hawk Sam Michell and Tiger Trent Cotchin — who have already been awarded votes wouldn’t inherit the award.
They will both have bittersweet emotions if they inherit the award from a respected foe.
Yet in less than three weeks they could share an unusual bond as retrospective Brownlow Medallists as Watson attempts to rebound from one final kick to the pavement.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jobe-watson-brownlow-ralphy-says-under-wada-rules-essendon-champ-has-to-lose-highest-accolade/news-story/8178dfe3921595169d800090d53c8321
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bah what bs. Good players denied because of a cheat.
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drug cheat
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wp - re the Russian walker - he will be stripped of his gold medal like they all are once theyre found guilty
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At first I like Jobe.
Now, after seeing his ability to be a lying idiot, after seeing how much of a baby daddy's boy he is,
after seeing how much his daddy mollycoddled him and the spoilt brat holding onto the Brownlow,
he's got to be the biggest spoilt brat we have ever seen.
Ftr, blokes with big arses are stuffn sooks.
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wp - re the Russian walker - he will be stripped of his gold medal like they all are once theyre found guilty
Yep read that tgis morning
Thanks TM
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Robbo's now begging for Jobe to keep the Brownlow medal.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jobe-watson-should-keep-his-brownlow-medal-despite-doping-ban-mark-robinson-writes/news-story/1693a44d3f3849aee6fece9102b38abd
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Robbo's now begging for Jobe to keep the Brownlow medal.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jobe-watson-should-keep-his-brownlow-medal-despite-doping-ban-mark-robinson-writes/news-story/1693a44d3f3849aee6fece9102b38abd
:gobdrop Robbo is a joke.
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so where is this at? surely they give cotch his brownlow any day now?
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so where is this at? surely they give cotch his brownlow any day now?
Nope
AFL commission doesnt meet until next week
No decision before then
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Like a decision needs to be made......ffs :facepalm
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Like a decision needs to be made......ffs :facepalm
Might be waiting for the 30 day appeal window to finish.
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It's not bad enough they made a fool of themselves in front of wada the afl, as it blew up in the face now they haven't got the balls to take it off him like any other sporting organisation would do plain laughable :facepalm
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Like a decision needs to be made......ffs :facepalm
Might be waiting for the 30 day appeal window to finish.
Possibly
Also think they are hoping Jobe just hands it back so they don't have to actually make a decision :snidegrin
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Scum organisations afl, efc
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Like a decision needs to be made......ffs :facepalm
Might be waiting for the 30 day appeal window to finish.
Possibly
Also think they are hoping Jobe just hands it back so they don't have to actually make a decision :snidegrin
I heard the AFL are doubling the funding to their cover up unit this year in anticipation of more bad press leaking.... :snidegrin
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Jobe Watson Brownlow: Mark Robinson and Jon Ralph debate whether the Essendon star should get to keep his medal
Herald Sun
February 7, 2016
JON RALPH: Come on Robbo, you have drunk the Kool-Aid. Jobe has to lose the Brownlow. The AFL can’t take its bat and ball and go home when it doesn’t like the CAS ruling.
MARK ROBINSON: Truly, I have not spoken to anyone at the club. In fact the club has gone to ground on this issue. And the issue of compensation. But we are talking about Jobe Watson.
My gut feel was Jobe had to lose the medal. But it’s always nagged away at me and I have changed my mind.
JR: But we accept that CAS came over the top of the AFL Tribunal on everything, or nothing. If he gets to keep the medal, then the AFL could just allow the players to play too. That can’t happen.
MR: That won’t happen. Separate the Brownlow issue from the players’ issue. We are talking about a medal that has been awarded for 90 years. And it would seem the AFL will strip it from a player because of a finding of comfortable satisfaction. To take the Brownlow Medal, surely you need absolute satisfaction that banned drugs were taken.
JR: We don’t live in a world of absolutes. Even in a criminal trial, a case is proven with a burden of proof beyond reasonable doubt. Nothing is ever 100 per cent. And if you read the CAS findings, it’s hard to think players didn’t take thymosin beta-4.
MR: Think. There is that word again. We think they did it, we think he did it. The CAS finding was a detailed but often confusing legal document which I want to point out to you, Jon, is being severely scrutinised by sharp-minded people — QCs and player managers who have described this as the greatest miscarriage of justice in Australian sport. You can ignore that or as a journalist raise the antenna just a little bit and ask was the evidence used by the CAS panel as concrete as the finding suggests.
JR: That might all be true. If they win on appeal, Jobe keeps the Brownlow. But all we can go on is the highest court that has currently ruled on it and accept their ruling.
MR: So as the Herald Sun detailed there is going to be an appeal of sorts, and we are still waiting for Jobe’s decision on an appeal. In that case, the AFL is going to have to postpone their decision scheduled for February 15.
JR: Spot on. What I do agree with you about is that Jobe was somehow malicious or “wholly unconvincing” in his CAS testimony, as they put it. He said he had lost faith in the program but didn’t stop the injections.
They painted that as complicity with an illegal program. He might be a lot of things but no one ever believed he felt he was putting banned drugs in his body.
MR: The punishment as a collective really hurt Watson. CAS said he didn’t make enough inquiries about what they were taking, when that is just a lie. Watson testified to ASADA that he asked Stephen Dank about thymosin and he was told there was good thymosin and bad thymosin and he was taking the good thymosin, which was thymodulin.
When asked about AOD-9604 on the couch, Watson said I did it. Watson from afar has followed protocols other than perhaps declaring to ASADA what drugs he was taking. Now, that is not compulsory. But when the poo hits the fan, as it did as Essendon, if you don’t detail your program with ASADA, it can be viewed as a veil of secrecy.
JR: Ben McDevitt certainly hung the AFL players with that. The point remains — take out the emotion and he won the Brownlow in a year in which he has been banned by WADA. And had the best year of his career in that season.
What if Jobe gave the Brownlow Medal back? Whenever he might front the Commission? What if he refuses to be defined by a Brownlow Medal? Because let’s face it, it might be a powerful symbol of success, but he knows his career will be defined by these horrible years even if he kept the Brownlow.
MR: Defined by a Brownlow Medal? If they take the medal off him it will forever and a day be the moment the AFL said Jobe Watson was a drug cheat.
JR: Triple Brownlow Medallist Bobby Skilton. “Former” Brownlow Medallist Jobe Watson. Bobby has a couple of mates with three medals, but he will be Robinson Crusoe, won’t he? No one else has been one, and then not. Quite incredible.
MR: I will say it again, he will be defined as a drug cheat. And the AFL, let alone WADA, and CAS, cannot absolutely say Jobe Watson took a banned drug. If they take the medal, he’s a drug cheat. Don’t give me circumstantial evidence. Where is the overwhelming proof. Because god knows, if you take the medal off Jobe, you better be right.
JR: Sorry to say, but by the highest anti-drug authority’s ruling right now, Watson and his 33 teammates are drug cheats. That term “drug cheat” doesn’t sit comfortably with any of us, but them’s the breaks.
MR: If it doesn’t sit comfortably with you, then why do you accept it?
JR: Because court cases and drug cases aren’t about who has the most emotional argument or who should win. They are about what the judges read out when they give their finding. That is all that matters.
James Hird still believes the AFL investigation was unlawful — and it certainly had whiskers on it — but the Federal Court smacked his case out of the park.
To pick and choose when we want to accept that finding — or elements of it — just isn’t open to the AFL Commission.
MR: It is an interesting question. Emotion is not in it for me. I don’t know Jobe very well, but it’s a matter of right or wrong. The AFL can stand up to the CAS decision if it wants to. Now remember it stood up to the CAS panel when it pleaded for mercy for the players if they were to be found guilty. Now the AFL might take the medal off Jobe. So one week it is look after the players and the next week it’s sorry Jobe, you have lost the medal.
To me it’s the AFL swinging in the breeze.
JR: I spoke to the AFL because they have been caned by both of us over asking Watson to front the Commission. Their view is that he is absolutely entitled to front the Commission to defend himself.
MR: Defend himself from what?
JR: Not sure. Does he beg for mercy? Throw himself at Fitzy’s feet? I just think if he does that and then still loses the medal, it rubs so much salt into the wound.
MR: He should walk in, say hello, and ask what is your decision? That is even if it gets to that. My understanding is Watson would have been talking to the AFL before then. But it can’t happen now. The appeal is off and running. It has saved the AFL from making a decision that is probably on one hand their conscience telling them Jobe has done nothing wrong and on the other, appeasing the political correctness.
JR: So here we are again — in limbo. Jobe keeps the Brownlow — for now. The lawyers get rich — again. And you are off to Switzerland. Pack your lederhosen ... and brush up on your French vocab. Au Revoir, chief.
MR: Happy to have changed your mind and you are no longer a sheep.
JR: Baaa. But if the medal is safe for now, only a successful appeal by the silks can save it.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jobe-watson-brownlow-mark-robinson-and-jon-ralph-debate-whether-the-essendon-star-should-get-to-keep-his-medal/news-story/3dde3735229a98fb792bf0fc7ef623a1
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Muppets the both of them.
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That spoilt brat culture runs deep
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agree with Magic.
Robbo really need to be quiet during Essendon discussions. Too biased and conflicted.
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Court may delay call on Watson Brownlow
Ben Guthrie
AFL.com.au
February 8, 2016
THE AFL's review of Jobe Watson's 2012 Brownlow Medal could be delayed if the suspended Bomber joins an appeal with teammates over his drug ban.
The AFL Commission had implied it would make a call on whether Watson would keep the medal by February 15, but that date could change if the Bombers skipper appeals his season-long ban handed down by the Court of Arbitration for Sport for his role in Essendon's 2012 supplements program.
The AFL is yet to be informed whether Watson will be a signatory in any appeal through the Federal Supreme Court of Switzerland.
"At the moment, the commission sits next Monday. The deadline for the players to appeal is this Wednesday," AFL spokesman Patrick Keane told AFL.com.au.
"We haven't yet been told if Jobe is appealing, so we are waiting on that."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-08/afl-decision-on-jobe-watsons-brownlow-may-be-delayed-by-swiss-court-action
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So the players cannot play because they have been found to have broken the rules but Jobe can keep the Brownlow till an unlikely appeal win is heard. Ok. I also heard WADA can appeal the appeal decision!!!!
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So the players cannot play because they have been found to have broken the rules but Jobe can keep the Brownlow till an unlikely appeal win is heard. Ok. I also heard WADA can appeal the appeal decision!!!!
yes WADA can appeal the appeal decision and go back to CAS have the case reheard - they did it with some tennis player, lost the appeal but got the case reheard by CAS and CAS came up with the same verdict.
Players can apply for an injunction to play while the appeal is pending and being heard but have decided against this because it would mean if they lose the appeal their suspension would apply to season 2017. They don't want that ;D
On SEN this morning they were saying it is unlikely all 34 will appeal, I am interested to see if this happens
Which of the 34 intends to break ranks? Smart blokes if they choose do that, the likelihood of winning this appeal isn't great
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So the players cannot play because they have been found to have broken the rules but Jobe can keep the Brownlow till an unlikely appeal win is heard. Ok. I also heard WADA can appeal the appeal decision!!!!
yes WADA can appeal the appeal decision and go back to CAS have the case reheard - they did it with some tennis player, lost the appeal but got the case reheard by CAS and CAS came up with the same verdict.
Players can apply for an injunction to play while the appeal is pending and being heard but have decided against this because it would mean if they lose the appeal their suspension would apply to season 2017. They don't want that ;D
On SEN this morning they were saying it is unlikely all 34 will appeal, I am interested to see if this happens
Which of the 34 intends to break ranks? Smart blokes if they choose do that, the likelihood of winning this appeal isn't great
Would those no longer involved in footy bother? You'd reckon they would just want to move on after 3 years of having their life on hold.
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King Jobe... Drug cheat... move on
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King Jobe... Drug cheat... move on
Nofin to see here lik'
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Afl should really just take it and if he's succesful in his appeal(LMAO) give it back.
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Watson has to lose his Brownlow
Author: Ben Hocking
Source: SportsFan
Friday, February 12, 2016 - 2:30 PM
Cheaters never prosper. That's what we tell our kids as we try to instil in them the correct values when we take them to sporting fields around the country on the weekends. And really it is the only thing the AFL Commission needs to consider when it comes to Jobe Watson's Brownlow Medal.
Watson and the 33 other Essendon drug cheats may have appealed the verdict, but as it stands they have been found guilty and must wear the consequences. Their appeal isn't going to question whether or not that they were administered the banned peptide Thymosin Beta-4, but rather their level of knowledge of what they were being injected with.
Even a cursory look over Watson's record before the injection program took place at the Bombers shows he was reaping the reward of competing with a drug-enhanced body. Prior to 2012 when Watson was considered a very good player, but not quite among the elite of the competition, he was averaging around 26 disposals per game.
In 2012, he had taken his game to another level, averaging 29 disposals per game and finishing the season with career highs of 652 possessions, 105 tackles and 20 goals. Something had clearly changed very quickly and it was obvious among his teammates as well. It was as though they were not competing on a level-playing field.
That is at the heart of why the Commission has no option but to strip Watson of his ill-gotten Charlie – the other players in the running were not competing on a level-playing field. It would be outrageous for a drug-cheating Olympian to keep any of their medals and there is no justification for Watson to keep his.
The only case Watson defenders, like disgraced former coach James Hird, have is that the AFL should somehow preference its own anti-doping tribunal's verdict over the Court of Arbitration for Sport decision. This is a ridiculous notion that would rightly make the AFL a laughing stock.
The CAS is the highest jurisdiction in this matter and that means the previous verdict has been overruled. You don't get to pick and choose which verdict you abide by. It wasn't as though the CAS found the players at 'no significant fault', either. In the words of ASADA boss Ben McDevitt, the Essendon players were "complicit in a culture of concealment". According to McDevitt, they hid injections from their doctor and ASADA, made no inquiries about the substances to ASADA and had a "fatal" lack of curiosity.
The only real decision for the Commission should be whether to award the Brownlow Medal to the 2012 runners-up – Sam Mitchell and Trent Cotchin – or to leave the award vacant. Early on in the Essendon drug scandal Cotchin expressed reservations about Watson being stripped of his medal. Neither of these players should feel guilty about taking it under these circumstances. Why should either Cotchin or Mitchell be denied football immortality by someone who competed with the benefit of a banned substance?
If the Commission were to leave the award vacant, it would be a permanent blight on the record books. If instead they were to announce new winners, it might not clear the air totally, but it would seem like justice had been done.
http://www.sportsfan.com.au/watson-has-to-lose-his-brownlow-medal/tabid/91/newsid/187434/default.aspx?cid=SF_LOWDOWN_AFL_article_watsonhastolosehisbrownlowmedal_120216
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Don’t expect a decision anytime soon on whether Jobe Watson will go down in football’s history books as the 2012 Brownlow medalist.
The appeal of the Essendon 34 has put all other business on hold, and when that appeal fails - which it will - and Jobe is stripped of the medal - which he will be - it may only be the start of the fun and games.
My sources tell me both 2012 runners-up, Richmond’s Trent Cotchin and Hawk Sam Mitchell, are adamant they won’t accept the title by default, which would be mighty embarrassing for the league.
However, I feel when the day comes and the game’s highest individual award is dangled in their faces, the pair may drop their high moral standards … just to help us all move on, of course.
http://www.sportingnews.com/list/4695075-the-rover-the-real-reason-the-tigers-turned-down-harley-afl-australian-football-league-richmond-tigers-lance-franklin-chris-yarren-harley-bennell-jar/slide/439089
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I wonder what chri grant a thinks of that
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Jobe Watson's Brownlow: the decision the AFL didn't want to make
Caroline Wilson
The Age
March 5, 2016
The most arduous task facing the AFL in 2016 — the stripping of Jobe Watson's Brownlow Medal — was one the game's governors believed they would never have to make.
That is because senior and long-standing commissioners thought — and certainly hoped — that Watson would make the decision for them. At one stage they considered officially offering the Essendon captain the opportunity to make the call to offer up the 2012 medal.
Instead, in the hours that followed the early-morning bombshell on January 11, the AFL chose instead to call the Essendon captain to front the game's governors to put forward his views on the issue. It chose not to put the voluntary option in writing of Watson handing the medal back. But they did give him some weeks to think about it.
The letter was drafted by Gillon McLachlan and his legal executive Andrew Dillon. Looking back, it seemed a strange tactic given everyone in power was acutely aware at that stage there was no alternative but to remove the game's highest individual honour. Surely, even with McLachlan at the helm, this was never going to be a negotiation. Particularly when it quickly became clear that Watson would not proffer the medal.
There is every suggestion that the scheduled February commission meeting with Watson, which never took place, would not have been a comfortable one. The commissioners appear to have hoped in vain that those mentoring the 31-year-old would advise him that the best course was to voluntarily give back the 2012 Brownlow.
This column is not suggesting it is aware of Watson's current thought process but according to his manager Craig Kelly the suspended player has no intention of voluntarily giving back his medal.
"He didn't ask to win it," said Kelly, "and he won't be handing it back." The Elite Sports Properties boss, whose firm handles eight of the suspended 34, said that Watson had indicated he would be happy to front the commission to explain his case but that if the Brownlow was to be stripped from then the AFL would have to do it.
In any event the decision has been, at the very least, postponed.
Watson along with all of the suspended 34, is appealing the decision although a positive outcome for the players who took part in the 2012 drug program will not be based on the fact they did not take banned substances.
Experts in the legal field of international sport have given them very little chance of success and even if the appeal is upheld it will be a technical decision based upon the fact the past and present Essendon players should never have fronted the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
Which will mean for Watson, a much-loved player, that in the eyes of many football people his Brownlow will remaIn tainted. And the commission should still make a ruling one way or the other. It has been repeatedly stated by this columnist that few believe he deliberately cheated, but that has no bearing in the eyes of the World Anti-Doping Agency.
Therefore the commission's decision to call in Watson to put forward his views would appear to be a formality should his appeal fail. There are simply no grounds for the player to retain the medal for the best-and-fairest footballer of 2012.
Public statements uttered recently by the likes of Luke Beveridge and Kevin Sheedy cast the AFL's attitude to the international drug code in a bad enough light without the competition allowing any room for debate over the Brownlow, however onerous the ultimate task.
Nor would tendering the Brownlow have been an admission of guilt.
Watson could have said as much, simply adding that he believed it was the right thing to do.
And the runners-up that year? The commission's position upon that was originally less clear given that there are precedents in world sport where a medal or champions' cup have been taken away with no alternative winner awarded. But in most of those cases it was because the runners-up have been found guilty or at least been under question, just as in the case of Lance Armstrong's tour victories.
For Sam Mitchell and Trent Cotchin, the reallocation would seem a hollow victory but for history's sake it would be the right thing to do. But for Gillon McLachlan and Mike Fitzpatrick the call will no doubt prove a low point of their time in the game.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/essendon-bombers/jobe-watsons-brownlow-afl-hoped-he-would-hand-back-medal-20160304-gnarvn.html
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"He didn't ask to win it," said Kelly, "and he won't be handing it back.
Craig Kelly. Genius rebuttal.
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Indeed. Case closed.....
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Get this guy to the Middle East to hold peace talks
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Cotchin would accept Watson's Brownlow Medal
AFL.com.au
March 22, 2016
RICHMOND midfielder Trent Cotchin says he would accept the 2012 Brownlow Medal if banned Bomber Jobe Watson is forced to surrender the award.
Watson's right to retain the Brownlow was jeopardised when the Court of Arbitration for Sport in January found 34 past and present Essendon players guilty of an anti-doping violation.
Cotchin and Hawks' midfielder Sam Mitchell finished joint runner-up in the 2012 count four votes behind Watson.
The 25-year-old made his view clear on Channel Nine's Footy Classified on Monday night when he was asked whether he would accept the Brownlow if it were stripped from Watson.
"I think you would have to," Cotchin said.
However, he stressed that it was not something he was focused on.
"Jobe was the best player that season. Until an appeal is heard and then the commission has made a decision, there’s really no point putting any thought into it.
"But at this stage, Jobe played consistent good footy that season.
"I think it’d be a challenging position to be in, because we all know the great person Jobe is."
The AFL Commission will deliberate on whether Watson should retain the medal if the suspended Bombers' appeal to the Swiss Federal Court challenging the CAS guilty decision fails.
Watson had been invited to address the AFL Commission in February on the issue but a decision was delayed once the players decided to appeal their season-long ban for their part in Essendon's 2012 supplements program.
Watson has not spoken publicly since the CAS decision was delivered on January 12.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-22/trent-cotchin-would-accept-2012-brownlow-medal-if-jobe-watson-is-stripped-of-award
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But the prevailing view is that if the commission has to make the call, it will strip the Essendon captain of the medal.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-04/jobe-watson-brownlow-medal-decision-dread
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Maybe they will wait till Brownlow counting to present them properly :santa
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They wont do poo
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They wont do poo
I hope you mean figuratively...
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They wont do poo
That really would make it the Brown Low medal :)
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Hird's father joins fight to save Watson's Brownlow.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-doping-saga-james-hirds-father-joins-fight-to-save-jobe-watsons-brownlow-medal-20160601-gp9bxi.html
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Who's Dad?
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Who's Dad?
Probably Tanya Hirds.
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Holy crap. Hird's old man is more deluded than James. Some of those quotes from his letter are remarkable.
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Holy crap. Hird's old man is more deluded than James. Some of those quotes from his letter are remarkable.
His comments the last 3-4 year have been really funny
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Holy crap. Hird's old man is more deluded than James. Some of those quotes from his letter are remarkable.
His comments the last 3-4 year have been really funny
I guess the apple makes a whole lot more sense now.
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So are they going to cop as much flack as Cotchin and his Mrs did? Or is it only women who can't stand up for someone?
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What a bunch of Aceholes
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So are they going to cop as much flack as Cotchin and his Mrs did? Or is it only women who can't stand up for someone?
i think we know the answer to that one
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So are they going to cop as much flack as Cotchin and his Mrs did? Or is it only women who can't stand up for someone?
Absolutely nailed it. Bang on! :bow
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'ere we go, 'ere we go, 'ere we go....
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Who's Dad?
James Hird's father - Alan
It is certainly a funny read :lol
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Chris Judd expects the AFL to strip Jobe Watson of his 2012 Brownlow Medal.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/essendon/football-great-chris-judd-expects-the-afl-to-strip-jobe-watson-of-his-2012-brownlow-medal/news-story/e01addc9a7630764ae6455140c3e0520
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No rush
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No rush
AFL aren't going to do anythong until the appeal result is in.
They should but they wont
This is the elephant in the room they just want to ignore
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No rush
AFL aren't going to do anythong until the appeal result is in.
They should but they wont
This is the elephant in the room they just want to ignore
Nah I don't blame them sitting on their hands. What a farce it will become if they strip him and then have to strip Cotchin and Mitchell to give it back if the appeal is approved
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Can't wait to see them humiliate this guy in public. He is an unrepentant drug cheat, who should be drummed out of the comp and never enter the hall of fame. If he had admitted it years ago and Done the time like he should have then fine but he is a total Lance armstrong. Stuff him and all the 22 cheats.
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Little baby doesn't know if "he wants to play footy anymore"
Lol. We understand.
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Little baby doesn't know if "he wants to play footy anymore"
Lol. We understand.
Remember how Shyte he was before he was on the PE gear?
Slow fat plodder
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http://m.afl.com.au/news/2016-09-22/jobe-watson-set-to-return-to-essendon-in-2017
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lol at Watson calling a press conference to announce he's going to play. Football royalty.
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"One of the great people in football"
Eddie and darcy
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lol at Watson calling a press conference to announce he's going to play. Football royalty.
LOL at Watson who has only played one elite year of footy and has been found to be on the juice.
Watch him fail miserably this year, particularly with no footy for a year, ageing legs and no juice (hopefully)
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lol at Watson calling a press conference to announce he's going to play. Football royalty.
LOL at Watson who has only played one elite year of footy and has been found to be on the juice.
Watch him fail miserably this year, particularly with no footy for a year, ageing legs and no juice (hopefully)
joibes been on the juice all this year probs as well that's why he has been in the USA for the past 6 months so he couldn't get tested by the time he is ok to resume training playing be out of his system
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Was less expensive than the .'drug cheat' one
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Decision pending now that the appeal has failed.
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Lol
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Watch the AFL find some loophole in the fineprint which allows Jobe to keep it. :banghead
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"Because Jobe, son of Tim, was the first one to admit he'd taken banned substances, we feel it right to allow him to be the Brownlow medalist for that year."
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Without a shadow of a doubt he should have taken away
But really who cares?
The thing that cannot be ignored anymore is they cheated.
Brownlow is irrelevant
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Without a shadow of a doubt he should have taken away
But really who cares?
The thing that cannot be ignored anymore is they cheated.
Brownlow is irrelevant
Have to disagree there mate. Brownlow is very relevant. Its the highest individual award given in the AFL. We have a player who rightfully deserves recognition for being the best in the competition after a wonderful 2012.
We haven't had a Brownlow medalist since Ian Stewart in 71.
I care. Many Richmond supporters care.
Cotchin's rightful medal & needs to be given to him.
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The only decision the AFL can make is to strip Jobe Watson of his 2012 Brownlow Medal, writes HeraldSun's Jon Ralph.
https://twitter.com/superfooty/status/785789540220960768
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Without a shadow of a doubt he should have taken away
But really who cares?
The thing that cannot be ignored anymore is they cheated.
Brownlow is irrelevant
Have to disagree there mate. Brownlow is very relevant. Its the highest individual award given in the AFL. We have a player who rightfully deserves recognition for being the best in the competition after a wonderful 2012.
We haven't had a Brownlow medalist since Ian Stewart in 71.
I care. Many Richmond supporters care.
Cotchin's rightful medal & needs to be given to him.
WP doesn't like Cotch much. :lol
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Without a shadow of a doubt he should have taken away
But really who cares?
The thing that cannot be ignored anymore is they cheated.
Brownlow is irrelevant
Have to disagree there mate. Brownlow is very relevant. Its the highest individual award given in the AFL. We have a player who rightfully deserves recognition for being the best in the competition after a wonderful 2012.
We haven't had a Brownlow medalist since Ian Stewart in 71.
I care. Many Richmond supporters care.
Cotchin's rightful medal & needs to be given to him.
:clapping
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Will strip.
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Was less expensive than the .'drug cheat' one
No, he bought that one too....
(https://cdndata.bigfooty.com/avatars/l/30/30990.jpg?1474634004)
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Will strip.
Yeah, we know. But would you close the blinds first? :o
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Without a shadow of a doubt he should have taken away
But really who cares?
The thing that cannot be ignored anymore is they cheated.
Brownlow is irrelevant
I care
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cui3zrrXEAEAfgQ.jpg)
https://twitter.com/AFL_PKeane
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Lmao
What a f kn wank
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Lets see just how good a bloke Jobe is.
By my reckoning, he has 1 month to forfeit the medal before the AFL will strip him of it, leaving him in disgrace.
Tick tock....
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What, haven't they had enough to time to figure out what would happen in both scenarios? :lol
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What, haven't they had enough to time to figure out what would happen in both scenarios? :lol
Would appear not :facepalm
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Was less expensive than the .'drug cheat' one
No, he bought that one too....
(https://cdndata.bigfooty.com/avatars/l/30/30990.jpg?1474634004)
Look at this cheese idiot mother idiots. stuffin Wankers. Could've taken 4 weeks suspension an played on....... oh but not for the bombers they're above this gotta challenge everything and lose. Eat poo idiots :shh
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What, haven't they had enough to time to figure out what would happen in both scenarios? :lol
Would appear not :facepalm
They don't want to do it
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Was less expensive than the .'drug cheat' one
No, he bought that one too....
(https://cdndata.bigfooty.com/avatars/l/30/30990.jpg?1474634004)
Look at this cheese idiot mother stuffers. stuffin Wankers. Could've taken 4 weeks suspension an played on....... oh but not for the bombers they're above this gotta challenge everything and lose. Eat poo stuffers :shh
Yep. Cronulla say g'day.
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Are they stuffing kidding us?
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-asked-2012-brownlow-medal-runnersup-sam-mitchell-trent-cotchin-to-present-cases-for-inheriting-jobe-watsons-award/news-story/dabaecdb832c4bfa4fdd622d4aece9fc
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Oh my god
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Put in a nice frame or plaque in the sports museum at the G and highlight why it wasn't given that year, due to one Jobe Waston taking sports enhancing drugs. :thumbsup
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“Sam was given the opportunity to present to the AFL why he should get the Brownlow,” Lenton told Trade Radio. But he didn't want to ...
Lol How dumb are these people. What do they want him to say.
"Cause I'm not a dirty wanker drug cheat "
(http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/61bce88227ed6e437e1263331174d7cf?width=1024)
What a truly corrupt vile organisation the afl are
Like Sauron really not wanting his ring leaving
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just wow
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is this fair dinkum.
gill you dirty fgt go stuff yourself
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it's mabo, it's the vibe
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It should be something the clubs do.
That they have to is ridiculous.
These football people are morons and don't learn anything
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Are they stuffing kidding us?
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-asked-2012-brownlow-medal-runnersup-sam-mitchell-trent-cotchin-to-present-cases-for-inheriting-jobe-watsons-award/news-story/dabaecdb832c4bfa4fdd622d4aece9fc
Hoping they say they don't want it? Save them from making the tough decisions
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Are they stuffing kidding us?
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-asked-2012-brownlow-medal-runnersup-sam-mitchell-trent-cotchin-to-present-cases-for-inheriting-jobe-watsons-award/news-story/dabaecdb832c4bfa4fdd622d4aece9fc
Hoping they say they don't want it? Save them from making the tough decisions
This was my take. inb4 he keeps it.
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2012 Brownlow medalist - Nobody forever.
Because that was the year the afl stuffed up the drug saga....I doubt that's gonna happen.
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2012 Brownlow medalist - Nobody forever.
Because that was the year the afl stuffed up the drug saga....I doubt that's gonna happen.
Ch 7 news last night said this is now a possibility saying Cotch and Mitchell didn't respond to AFL requests for their opinion on the matter.
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Are they stuffing kidding us?
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-asked-2012-brownlow-medal-runnersup-sam-mitchell-trent-cotchin-to-present-cases-for-inheriting-jobe-watsons-award/news-story/dabaecdb832c4bfa4fdd622d4aece9fc
Hoping they say they don't want it? Save them from making the tough decisions
Ding
Ding
Ding
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Why don't they stuffing put it on the idiot umpires, it hasn't got anything to do with the players except that they play and get voted on. What a stuffing cop out the gutless, spineless weasel wankers. Make the umpires decide, at least, love or loath em, they have the balls to make a crappy decision LOL
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2012 Brownlow medalist - Nobody forever.
Because that was the year the afl stuffed up the drug saga....I doubt that's gonna happen.
Ch 7 news last night said this is now a possibility saying Cotch and Mitchell didn't respond to AFL requests for their opinion on the matter.
Funny cause hasn't Cotchin previously said he'd take it? Surely that's enough, the bloke shouldn't have to go plead his case for a medal he rightfully deserves. What happened when Robert Harvey won it in 97?
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Afl minds.
Can't do anything without a precedent. :snidegrin
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yeah says a lot about the bloke eh? comes back after 12 month layoff wearing a feminist cap to a training/presser
Should say captain Flog... We get you off
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JOBE Watson will this week plan his submission to the AFL Commission ahead of the League's looming call whether he keeps the 2012 Brownlow Medal.
The star midfielder is set to front the League on November 15 when, in light of the past and present Essendon players' failed appeal to the Swiss Federal Tribunal, a decision will be made on his medal.
"The AFL has been pretty clear on what this looks like and it's up to Jobe as to how he wants to approach it," Bombers CEO Xavier Campbell told SEN.
"We (Essendon) certainly have some views but we'll certainly be led by Jobe and where he's at and what he wants to do with respect to that approach.
"I think he's still contemplating that."
Watson won the game's highest individual honour in the season the club undertook its controversial supplements program, and was one of 34 players hit with 12-month bans by the Court of Arbitration for Sport earlier this year.
That ruling was challenged by the group of Bombers players, and the League chose not to make a call on Watson's Brownlow until an appeal result was confirmed.
AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan, who won't sit on the panel deciding Watson's medal, has previously said making that call would be "as hard a decision (as) they will ever have to make".
With judgement day on the horizon, Campbell was still hopeful Watson would keep the Brownlow.
"The club's made its position [known] in the past. We feel there's grounds for him keeping that – I'm not going to go into those reasons now, it's something we'll do in private with the AFL Commission in due course," he said.
If Watson is stripped of the Brownlow, it could be handed to joint runners-up Sam Mitchell and Trent Cotchin, or no winner might be declared.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-24/jobe-watson-working-on-submission-to-afl-over-brownlow-medal
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JOBE Watson is still weighing up whether to fight to keep his Brownlow Medal but the Bombers will support whatever decision he makes.
A decision on Watson’s Brownlow will be made on November 15 when the Essendon champion appears before the AFL Commission.
Watson could choose to plead his case, or he may voluntarily return the medal before the commission considers the issue.
Essendon officials will meet with Watson’s management later this week to discuss a course of action.
Chief executive Xavier Campbell said Essendon had been asked to make a submission but would be guided by Watson.
Jobe Watson is yet to decide whether to plead to keep his Brownlow Medal. Picture: Michael Klein
But Campbell has repeatedly argued that Watson should keep the medal.
“It’s up to Jobe as to how he wants to approach it. We certainly have some views but we’ll be led by Jobe, where he’s at and what he wants to do,” Campbell told SEN radio this morning.
“The club’s made it position in the past. We feel there’s grounds for him keeping it but I’m not going to go into those reasons now.”
Watson faces the prospect of being stripped of the game’s highest individual honour after the Essendon 34 lost their appeal against the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
The AFL also asked joint runner-up Sam Mitchell to make a submission about Watson’s medal, but he decided against it.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/essendon/jobe-watson-to-meet-with-essendon-to-make-a-decision-on-brownlow-medal/news-story/af35a9cda311b4b26bad3b3f97241da9
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.....Meanwhile, Mrs Cotchin has made a submission to the AFL on facebook on behalf of her husband...... :whistle
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It's all about Jobe....
What a little sissy.
Says a lot about Tim
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Let him keep the stupid thing!
Now he can stand up in public with the medal hanging around his neck knowing full well that he CHEATED!
We all know that you CHEATED!
You can go down in history as a DRUG CHEAT!
If they ever hand out medals for CHEATERS it should be named the Jobby Watson CHEATER'S Award. It should have his picture on it! We can put up a bronze statue of Jobby with a syringe stuck in his arm!
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And the afl to,be remembered as the boys club, nepotistic dogs they are
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Aaaaaand it's gone
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-11/jobe-watson-hands-back-2012-brownlow-medal
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yet the other gutless corporation (afl) will void the brownlow that year.
Only a matter of time.
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Wow what a surprise
it's happened a few days earlier than expected
But as I said the other day young Jobe will knock Donald trump off the front page
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Should see what some of the nufters are commenting and posting on facebook.
Jobe should be re-awarded it for being such a top bloke.
Jobe is greatest bloke in the world. A man of integrity.
Cotchin and Mitchell arn't half the man Jobe is, joke that they should get his medal.
What a man for handing back his medal!
:banghead :banghead
Like he's some sort of messiah because he handed it back a few days before the AFL was going to have to publicly strip him of his medal - disgracing him. The fact that he has only begrudgingly admitted some small amount of fault is all the character analysis I need to see that he's just as selfish and self-serving as the rest of us.
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Exactly. The medal was handed back because it was going to be taken anyway. Not really his choice in the end.
A real man (and club captain) of integrity wouldn't have allowed himself and his foot soldiers to be pumped full of the juice in the first place.
Amazing these days that the villain can so easily become the victim and then the hero. If it's one thing I hope current political trends correct in the public domain it's this exact sort of mash up of political correctness and weird-arse abandonment of self responsibility.
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He would have voted HILLARY
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Exactly. The medal was handed back because it was going to be taken anyway. Not really his choice in the end.
Yep and if he was such a man of character, why wait so long?
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Should see what some of the nufters are commenting and posting on facebook.
Jobe should be re-awarded it for being such a top bloke.
Jobe is greatest bloke in the world. A man of integrity.
Cotchin and Mitchell arn't half the man Jobe is, joke that they should get his medal.
What a man for handing back his medal!
:banghead :banghead
Like he's some sort of messiah because he handed it back a few days before the AFL was going to have to publicly strip him of his medal - disgracing him. The fact that he has only begrudgingly admitted some small amount of fault is all the character analysis I need to see that he's just as selfish and self-serving as the rest of us.
Great post Dougey
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Well hopefully that ain't the end of the whole saga.
Not that I wish anything bad on the victims but I hope a player or players partner or players family sue the EFC and Jimmy the Turd .
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Surely we are due to hear from Mrs Cotchin on this issue?
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Surely we are due to hear from Mrs Cotchin on this issue?
Afl to ask the wives of Mitchell and Cotchin to make submissions?
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Surely we are due to hear from Mrs Cotchin on this issue?
Afl to ask the wives of Mitchell and Cotchin to make submissions?
Women don't belong in the AFL, don't you understand ::). That includes showing support for their husbands
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Sam Mitchell and Trent Cotchin deserve to cherish their Brownlow Medal moment
Rohan Connolly
November 13 2016
Few AFL players have been made to feel as undeservedly awkward as did St Kilda champion Robert Harvey on the night of the 1997 Brownlow Medal count.
Harvey walked to the stage to receive his honour as the first winner not to have polled the most votes. He had polled 26, to Western Bulldogs star Chris Grant's 27, but Grant was ineligible due to suspension, a controversial one at that.
Always humble, Harvey looked decidedly embarrassed as he took the microphone, calling it, "a hollow victory". "I have to say I'm really disappointed for Chris Grant ... I feel so sorry for him. I just think he's a wonderful player, one of the best players going around, and I think it's a terrible thing."
Fortunately, a spontaneous chorus from the floor of the function room made it apparent the football world didn't want Harvey to feel that way, that this moment should be one of justified pride in his achievement.
And you'd hope the reaction will be the same on Tuesday should the AFL Commission, reportedly split on the question, decide to award Jobe Watson's returned 2012 Brownlow to that season's joint runners-up, Sam Mitchell and Trent Cotchin.
However awkward Harvey felt, the former Hawthorn – now West Coast – veteran Mitchell and Richmond skipper Cotchin might arguably be feeling even more uncomfortable.
In 1997, the count was conducted with everyone at least knowing Grant could not win. Watson's ineligibility was never even officially decreed, though it is almost certain to be so on Tuesday. The Essendon captain's decision to return the medal last Friday was a sacrifice with the game's best interests at heart that effectively did the AFL Commission's dirty work for it.
It has come more than four years after the medal was won. And Mitchell and Cotchin have already had to buy into the debate, refusing the AFL's legally motivated but nonetheless tacky-looking attempt to seek their views on the matter.
However you dress it up, their confirmation as the joint winners of the 2012 Brownlow simply isn't going to have the same fanfare, not to mention universal acceptance, accorded Patrick Dangerfield two months ago, or indeed any other medallists. But that's hardly their fault.
The fact remains that both had outstanding seasons. Indeed, the 26 votes each polled in 2012 would have been enough to win them a Brownlow alongside West Coast's Matt Priddis had they been polled in 2014, or, in fact, eight of the 17 Brownlow counts this century.
Mitchell had four best-on-grounds and polled in 12 games in a season in which he also won the Hawks' best and fairest, averaging 27.2 disposals per game.
In a year in which his team won fewer than half its games and finished only 12th, Cotchin was still good enough to poll six best-on-grounds and in 11 games overall. He won Richmond's best and fairest and accumulated a still career-best average of 27.6 disposals. Either would be a deserving winner.
Those who believe no winner should be declared use the argument of tainted voting, that the 30 votes Watson received in 2012, or any other suspended Essendon players, for that matter, would need to be re-allocated.
But in 1997, Grant, who'd been effectively suspended by then-AFL football operations manager Ian Collins after being given the all-clear by three field umpires for a charge on Hawthorn's Nick Holland in round seven, polled 12 of his 27 votes in subsequent games.
Those votes were won by a player who even at that stage could not win the medal, denying vote-winning opportunities to those who could. Watson's ineligibility for 2012 is retrospective, but is the bottom line any different?
And speaking of retrospective legislation, shouldn't we also take into account the changing of the laws regarding the Brownlow Medal winner in 1981?
Prior to that, there could be only one winner each season, with ties sorted by a countback system for highest numbers of three votes.
In 1989, eight years after the rules were changed to allow joint winners (that we've had five times) the VFL decided to award retrospective Brownlow Medals to six players who had been beaten on a countback between 1924 and 1980, along with Herbie Matthews and Des Fothergill, who in 1940 couldn't be separated even by a countback, with neither receiving a medal.
Those had been the conditions of the time, yet the awarding of medals to that pair, Harry Collier, Allan Hopkins, Col Austen, Bill Hutchison, Verdun Howell and Noel Teasdale even all those years later (in Collier and Hopkins' case 59 years later) were given appropriate acclaim.
Just how the AFL intends doing similarly for Mitchell and Cotchin may be a lot more problematic. But like their predecessors who got their medals much later, and like Harvey, who won his despite someone else polling more votes, the football world, officials and fans alike, should do what it can to make their moment not one for churlishness, but one to cherish.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/sam-mitchell-and-trent-cotchin-deserve-to-cherish-their-brownlow-medal-moment-20161113-gso7hw.html
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Not all the footy journos want the 2012 Brownlow awarded to Cotch & Mitchell.
Only in a zero sum view of footy must Watson's medal go elsewhere. More apt that it is deemed "no award". Hope Mitchell, Cotchin see it so.
https://twitter.com/GregBaum
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Not all the footy journos want the 2012 Brownlow awarded to Cotch & Mitchell.
Only in a zero sum view of footy must Watson's medal go elsewhere. More apt that it is deemed "no award". Hope Mitchell, Cotchin see it so.
https://twitter.com/GregBaum
If it is awarded to them then it is history.
Whether they go to an award ceremony that is another matter.
It should possibly be a decision made at club level?
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Not all the footy journos want the 2012 Brownlow awarded to Cotch & Mitchell.
Only in a zero sum view of footy must Watson's medal go elsewhere. More apt that it is deemed "no award". Hope Mitchell, Cotchin see it so.
https://twitter.com/GregBaum
If it were a "zero sum view" then that would imply the medal is being transferred from one legitimate player(s) to another legitimate player(s). This is not the case. Two legitimate players who played by the rules were denied the game's best & fairest medal due to another club later on being found guilty of juicing up its players that season. This is about rectifying a wrong.
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This Brownlow is well and truly browned now anyway.
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This Brownlow is well and truly browned now anyway.
Hardly Cotchins fault.
He's the one that's been robbed.
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Surely we are due to hear from Mrs Cotchin on this issue?
Afl to ask the wives of Mitchell and Cotchin to make submissions?
Women don't belong in the AFL, don't you understand ::). That includes showing support for their husbands
Call me old fashioned, but when, for example, I call a plumber, I want advice from the plumber about the issue, not the plumbers partner.
If there's an issue with a family members health, I want to hear from the doctor, not the doctors partner.
Cotch's partner has no role to play in talking important specifics about our football club.
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Surely we are due to hear from Mrs Cotchin on this issue?
Afl to ask the wives of Mitchell and Cotchin to make submissions?
Women don't belong in the AFL, don't you understand ::). That includes showing support for their husbands
Call me old fashioned, but when, for example, I call a plumber, I want advice from the plumber about the issue, not the plumbers partner.
If there's an issue with a family members health, I want to hear from the doctor, not the doctors partner.
Cotch's partner has no role to play in talking important specifics about our football club.
Talking important specifics about our football club? You may need to refresh my memory on what she said because I don't remember anything of the sort.
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He can't get the medal unless he is a "great guy"...
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How there can be any question about whether Cotch and Mitch should receive a Brownlow Medal is beyond me. They were the best eligible players of that year. It's taken a long time to get to the decision but it's pretty clear now.
They should arrange a big night at Crown with players and their families and anyone that wants to buy a ticket to the function, and award the medals to the two deserving winners. It makes me angry to hear anyone say the medal is tainted. IMO the medal will be in the right hands now as appossed to before.
It's pretty clear cut to me.
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Sick and tired of the ongoing crying about how Watson deserves to keep it because he offered to give it back, that he hasn't been proven guilty of anything etc
Mitch arguably not the fairest player but he and Cotch deserve the medal. AFL just wants Watson and them to say it so they don't have to be accountable...
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Surely we are due to hear from Mrs Cotchin on this issue?
Afl to ask the wives of Mitchell and Cotchin to make submissions?
Women don't belong in the AFL, don't you understand ::). That includes showing support for their husbands
Call me old fashioned, but when, for example, I call a plumber, I want advice from the plumber about the issue, not the plumbers partner.
If there's an issue with a family members health, I want to hear from the doctor, not the doctors partner.
Cotch's partner has no role to play in talking important specifics about our football club.
Talking important specifics about our football club? You may need to refresh my memory on what she said because I don't remember anything of the sort.
Re our captain's efforts and dedication.
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Surely we are due to hear from Mrs Cotchin on this issue?
Afl to ask the wives of Mitchell and Cotchin to make submissions?
Women don't belong in the AFL, don't you understand ::). That includes showing support for their husbands
Call me old fashioned, but when, for example, I call a plumber, I want advice from the plumber about the issue, not the plumbers partner.
If there's an issue with a family members health, I want to hear from the doctor, not the doctors partner.
Cotch's partner has no role to play in talking important specifics about our football club.
Talking important specifics about our football club? You may need to refresh my memory on what she said because I don't remember anything of the sort.
Re our captain's efforts and dedication.
Would think that is more a personal thing than "important specifics about our football club"
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Cotchin & Mitchell have been awarded the 2012 Brownlow - Fitzpatrick just announced it on Fox Sports News..... :clapping
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Sanity prevails :clapping
Congrats Cotch - brownlow medalist :cheers
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stuffin idiots.
Should have been made the minute watson was declared a cheat
still well done cotchin deserved brownlow medalist for that year
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Congratulations, Trent.
Chas medalist.
Have a great year.
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:dancing :dancing :dancing :dancing :dancing :dancing :dancing :
thatsgold
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Now would the real Brownlow Medalist of 2012 please stand up! Jobby is a drug cheat & Mitchell is a thuggish sniper ... that only leaves Cotchin as the real deal! Fairest & Best! :cheers
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Now we just need to take the burden of captaincy off him and have him reclaim 2012 form
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:dancing :dancing :dancing :dancing :dancing :dancing :dancing :
thatsgold
Ooh yeah
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Special thanks to Jobe for doing his best to sour the reward ......
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Now we just need to take the burden of captaincy off him and have him reclaim 2012 form
Back to back brownlows :shh
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Now would the real Brownlow Medalist of 2012 please stand up! Jobby is a drug cheat & Mitchell is a thuggish sniper ... that only leaves Cotchin as the real deal! Fairest & Best! :cheers
That is crap about Mitchell. He is a star and deserves any accolades he receives.
Congrats to both players. I only hope they make a big deal of it all.
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Mitchell is a legend
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AFL Commission statement on 2012 Brownlow Medal
afl.com.au
November 15, 2016 5:30 PM
THE AFL Commission met on Tuesday November 15 and ruled on the 2012 Brownlow Medal.
The Commission noted that Jobe Watson announced last Friday, November 11, that he would hand back the Brownlow Medal, to honour the history of the award.
The Commission believes that Jobe's decision was a noble one. In respecting the values of the competition, and putting the interests of the game before his own, Jobe has shown his commitment to fair play – the qualities of a champion.
The Commission ruled that Jobe Watson was not eligible for the 2012 Brownlow Medal and that, in accordance with AFL Regulations, the 2012 Brownlow winners are Trent Cotchin and Sam Mitchell.
The AFL forwarded its decision to all three players today.
Mr Fitzpatrick said that the status of the Brownlow Medal was uppermost in the view of the Commission in making the decision.
"The Brownlow Medal is the most prestigious individual award in our game, and celebrates the competition's best and fairest player," he said.
"In stepping forward and handing back the medal, Jobe Watson demonstrated a willingness to consider the game beyond his own personal situation. At all times, Jobe has carried himself with dignity and remained true to the values that he has based his life around.
"The impact of this decision on him and his family is one of great sadness for the game.
"Essendon has apologised to Jobe and his family for the position in which they have placed their club champion.
"I wish to repeat the words I said in January earlier this year when the 34 past and present Essendon players were found guilty by the Court of Arbitration of Sport. The program at the Essendon Football Club in 2012 was a stain on our game – and it has had a terrible impact on the players and the Essendon Football Club," Mr Fitzpatrick said.
"We can all agree that the players should never have been subject to this program, and they have suffered a big penalty for the trust they showed in people who have let them down.
"What occurred at Essendon in 2012 has struck at the very heart of our game – the integrity of the competition, and the health and safety of the players.
Mr Fitzpatrick said Tuesday was also a day to recognise and celebrate two champions of the game.
"As the highest-placed eligible vote-getters, Sam Mitchell and Trent Cotchin were formally declared the joint winners of the 2012 Brownlow Medal," he said.
"Sam and Trent are deserving Brownlow Medallists for the quality of their play in 2012, and the Commission wishes to pass on the congratulations of the entire football community for their performances."
Mr Fitzpatrick said the Commission had resolved that the players will be presented with their medals in Melbourne next month by the AFL Commission as part of its December meeting, with their families and other guests present.
Mr Fitzpatrick said the AFL Commission wished to clearly re-state for the record that it accepted the ruling of CAS and the verdict of the Swiss Court, and was committed to clean sport.
"On behalf of the AFL Commission I want to send a clear and unequivocal message that nothing comes ahead of the need to safeguard the fairness of our competition," he said.
"The very essence of sport demands it. The pursuit of on-field success can never be allowed to obscure a commitment to the principles of player welfare and competition integrity."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-15/afl-commission-statement-on-2012-brownlow-medal
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Cotchin, Mitchell accept medals with 'mixed emotions'
AFL.com.au
15 November 2016
RICHMOND captain Trent Cotchin and former Hawthorn champion Sam Mitchell have accepted the 2012 Brownlow Medal with "mixed emotions" after the AFL Commission ruled they would be named joint winners.
Cotchin, who enjoyed his finest season in 2012, becomes the Tigers' fifth Brownlow medallist and the youngest in club history, having played out the 2012 season as a 22-year-old.
Mitchell adds the medal to his extensive trophy cabinet alongside his four premiership medallions and five club champion awards.
The 34-year-old becomes the Hawks' fifth Brownlow medallist and first since Shane Crawford in 1999.
Cotchin paid tribute to Essendon star Jobe Watson, who handed back the 2012 Brownlow Medal last week after failing to overturn charges arising from the Bombers' supplements program.
"I accept the 2012 Brownlow Medal with mixed emotions," Cotchin said in a statement on Tuesday.
"But I also respect the decision of the AFL Commission and the award that is the Brownlow Medal.
"This has been a difficult time for Jobe, but I have great respect for him, and the decision he made in very tough circumstances."
Mitchell, who joined West Coast in the recent NAB AFL Trade Period, said he was torn by the circumstances but accepted the medal.
"I'm honoured to be named a Brownlow medallist today but at the same time I feel enormous empathy for Jobe Watson and his family," he said in a statement released by the Eagles.
Cotchin and Mitchell polled 26 votes in 2012 to finish joint runners-up, with Cotchin averaging a career-high 27.5 possessions and winning the Tigers' best and fairest award.
Mitchell averaged 27.2 disposals that year and picked up his fourth Peter Crimmins Medal as the Hawks' best and fairest.
Richmond President Peggy O'Neal paid tribute to Cotchin for a fine 2012 season, which ended with his ascension to the Richmond captaincy.
"We are proud of Trent, he's a fine captain, player and person, and he is now Richmond's fifth Brownlow medallist," O'Neal said.
Champion midfielder Ian Stewart (1971) was Richmond's most recent Brownlow medallist, while ruckman Roy Wright won the prestigious award twice (1952, 1954).
Wingman Stan Judkins (1930) and former captain Bill Morris (1948) are the club's other winners.
Mitchell, 34, joins Col Austen (1949), Robert DiPierdomenico (1986), John Platten (1987) and Shane Crawford (1999) as Hawthorn Brownlow winners.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-15/trent-cotchin-and-sam-mitchell-accept-brownlow-medals-with-mixed-emotions
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The insane numbers behind duo’s brilliant years
Sarah Olle and Ben Waterworth
FOX SPORTS
15 November 2016
AT TIMES it’s hard to remember what the world looked like four years ago.
No Donald Trump as president elect. No premiership for the Western Bulldogs since 1954. And no Brownlow Medal for Sam Mitchell or Trent Cotchin.
But a lot can change in four years.
So here’s a little reminder as to how the season panned out for our newly crowned Brownlow medallists.
Mitchell polled in 12 matches in 2012 including four best on grounds. Cotchin polled in just nine games but collected three votes in five of them.
The Tigers onballer was much-maligned in 2016, but the case couldn’t have been more opposite when he finished four votes behind Jobe Watson in the Brownlow.
He had career-high averages in almost every statistical category imaginable in 2012.
It stands as Cotchin's best AFL season.
His average of 27.6 possessions was the best of his career, as was his average inside 50s (5.3), Champion Data ranking points (116.3), tackles (4.9), total goals (21) and contested possessions (12.4).
It was a belter of a season for the Richmond skipper, who polled 11 of his 26 votes in the final four matches of the season.
The story was much the same for Mitchell, the Hawk turned Eagle, who was one of the protagonists in Hawthorn’s stunning 2012 season.
While Mitchell didn’t average career-high possessions, he had career-highs in goal assists (1.2), tackles (5.5), disposal efficiency (75.2 per cent), inside 50s (4.2) and clearances (6.4).
Mitchell fought Brad Sewell (13) and Lance Franklin (12) for votes in a number of matches, as well as Cyril Rioli and Shaun Burgoyne, who polled six votes each.
Cotchin had company of his own, with Brett Deledio (13), Shaun Grigg (11) and Shane Tuck (10) all picking up handy votes.
With numbers like these it’s of little surprise Mitchell and Cotchin won their respective best and fairests comfortably in 2012.
But it’s this latest honour which will propel them among some of the game’s greatest players.
Trent Cotchin’s 2012
Average kicks: 16.9 (career-high)
Average inside 50s: 5.3 (career-high)
Average disposals: 27.6 (career-high)
Champion Data ranking points: 116.3 (career-high)
Tackles: 4.9 (career-high)
Goals: 21 (career-high)
Contested possessions: 12.4 (career-high)
Uncontested possessions: 14.9 (career-high)
Sam Mitchell’s 2012
Average goal assists: 1.2 (career-high)
Tackles: 5.5 (career-high)
Disposal efficiency: 75.2 per cent (career-high)
Inside 50s: 4.2 (career-high)
Clearances: 6.4 (career-high)
Contested possessions: 12.5
Uncontested possessions: 14.9
TRENT COTCHIN’S BROWNLOW VOTES
R7 — 3 votes v Sydney
R9 — 3 votes v Hawthorn
R10 — 2 votes v St Kilda
R11 — 1 vote v Fremantle
R17 — 1 vote v North Melbourne
R20 — 3 votes v W Bulldogs
R21 — 2 votes v Fremantle
R22 — 3 votes v Essendon
R23 — 3 votes v Port Adelaide
SAM MITCHELL’S BROWNLOW VOTES
R1 — 2 votes v Collingwood
R2 — 2 votes v Geelong
R4 — 1 vote v West Coast
R10 — 2 votes v North Melbourne
R11 — 2 votes v Port Adelaide
R14 — 2 votes v Carlton
R15 — 1 vote v GWS Giants
R16 — 3 votes v W Bulldogs
R17 — 3 votes v Collingwood
R18 — 2 votes v Essendon
R20 — 3 votes v Port Adelaide
R23 — 3 votes v West Coast
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/by-the-numbers-the-2012-seasons-of-sam-mitchell-trent-cotchin/news-story/f88c50b8707fc49c4f65d6b23e91350f
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Out of interest, the Herald-Sun had Cotchin winning outright with the Essendon 34 excluded from the count.
FINAL REVISED 2012 BROWNLOW LEADERBOARD
28 Trent Cotchin
26 Sam Mitchell, Scott Thompson
25 Dane Swan
24 Gary Ablett, Patrick Dangerfield
19 Dayne Beams, Lenny Hayes, Josh P Kennedy
The count came down to the crucial Bombers v Tigers game in Round 8. With Jobe Watson (who polled one vote) and Brent Stanton (two) out of the equation, Cotchin is bumped up to the two-vote slot and David Zaharakis was given one vote. Those two for Cotchin proved the difference against Sam Mitchell who didn't steal any votes from his clash against the Bombers in Round 18, when he polled two behind Cyril Rioli .
(http://media.fyre.co/8qJm1MTiuH3zusFhPASQ_BROWNLOW_COTCHIN_1.jpg)
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/how-would-2012-brownlow-medal-count-have-unfolded-if-no-banned-essendon-banned-received-votes/news-story/375db2e35cf335c0b9e2e633e71772c3
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Yeh well he deserved it in 2012. :clapping
I'm glad he got it in the end.
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I am not sure if I am right but before Trent was awarded the medal were we the club with the longest drought regarding winning the medal. Congratulations to Trent but a strange way to win the medal.
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I am not sure if I am right but before Trent was awarded the medal were we the club with the longest drought regarding winning the medal. Congratulations to Trent but a strange way to win the medal.
Think that's correct, with the exception of Freo and GWS who have never had a brownlow winner?
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I am not sure if I am right but before Trent was awarded the medal were we the club with the longest drought regarding winning the medal. Congratulations to Trent but a strange way to win the medal.
Think that's correct, with the exception of Freo and GWS who have never had a brownlow winner?
Correct Eliminator, last one before Cotchin was Ian Stewart in 1971 which was the longest drought which has now gone to North Melbourne.
However Doufey, Freo had Nat Fyfe win only last year ;D. Think Port is yet to have a winner
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I am not sure if I am right but before Trent was awarded the medal were we the club with the longest drought regarding winning the medal. Congratulations to Trent but a strange way to win the medal.
Think that's correct, with the exception of Freo and GWS who have never had a brownlow winner?
Correct Eliminator, last one before Cotchin was Ian Stewart in 1971 which was the longest drought which has now gone to North Melbourne.
However Doufey, Freo had Nat Fyfe win only last year ;D. Think Port is yet to have a winner
Genuine DUH moment. I think I was thinking Port when I typed Freo :whistle
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I don't see why the title of the thread refers to "Watson's Brownlow". Clearly it isn't.
It is until its taken away, have some respect
Trump is in power now
Hence I feel I am allowed to say this is quite dumb
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Robbo's now begging for Jobe to keep the Brownlow medal.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jobe-watson-should-keep-his-brownlow-medal-despite-doping-ban-mark-robinson-writes/news-story/1693a44d3f3849aee6fece9102b38abd
This guy ...
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Dank has said he's going to get Jobe Watson his Brownlow back :lol.
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They should strike him a new one, that one has tear stains on it and the salt will corrode the medal
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AFL in a muddle over Brownlow presentation
Caroline Wilson
The Age
23 November 2016
Even allowing for the appropriate sensitivity afforded Essendon's devastated Jobe Watson, the inescapable impression is that the AFL has danced around the practical details of how to manage the handover to Sam Mitchell and Trent Cotchin.
Having negotiated the most palatable outcome for the player and the competition in what has clearly been everything but; too much of the accompanying fall-out feels uncomfortable where the new winners are concerned.
While Brownlow Medallists are usually honoured at the glamorous awards ceremony, it was a bit different when Trent Cotchin and Sam Mitchell received news of their joint win four years later. Courtesy Seven News Melbourne.
The AFL is expected to outline details of the retrospective Brownlow presentation on Wednesday or Thursday at the latest. It will take place next month and will prove a low key but, according to the game's commissioners, respectful presentation in which both players will be attending with hand-picked friends, relatives and supporters.
But you can't help but conclude such decisions should have been made at least a week ago and not placed the players concerned in such a difficult position.
First Cotchin and Mitchell were given the chance to put forward to AFL Commission their own thoughts on the eventual outcome of the 2012 Brownlow result. League bosses defended that ridiculous move saying they felt forced to do so for legal reasons. The pair was told those submissions would be shown to Watson.
Either way neither player had any intention of putting forward their thoughts and neither should they have.
Once Watson handed back the medal, the joint runners-up from the 2012 count had to endure four days of speculation before the final decision that could have been handled by telephone hook-up.
This is not to compare their discomfort to Watson's heartbreak but for the AFL the rules were clear after all. Instead Mitchell in particular, having landed at his new club, was repeatedly interrogated while former Brownlow winners were publicly canvassed and some former champions even suggested the pair should not accept the medals given the heartbreaking circumstances.
Even their joint press conference felt like an afterthought. If it is correct that it was partly held up due to Cotchin being interstate surely the AFL could have flown him home to end the speculation media doorstops.
Then the negotiations continued. The accepted version is that the AFL have designed a ceremony for Mitchell and Cotchin in the first half of December. Again the ball landed back in the players' court with the competition's governors asking them what shape they would like that occasion should take.
Asking two retrospective Brownlow medallists how they would like to receive what is a momentous honour for them is not the way to go about it. Both clearly would have been happy to have the AFL draw up the details.
The situation was made even trickier for Mitchell because he has become a Hawthorn Brownlow medallist at a time when he is moving to West Coast and therefore the Hawks have not thrown themselves into supporting or assisting him.
Where Cotchin is concerned he could not lean upon his manager Craig Kelly for advice nor practical support because Kelly is clearly conflicted and trying support his heartbroken other client Watson.
Nobody wants to inflict more pain on Watson than he has already suffered. Gillon McLachlan refused to even entertain the topic of when and if his Brownlow was returned to the AFL and appears shattered by the turn of events.
But it is one thing for Watson's teammates and other greats of the game to say they will always consider him the Brownlow winner. It is another for the AFL to continue to show such hesitance in completing what clearly was a difficult task but a task that swiftly required closure.
Rules are rules and having reached the only decision open to them it was incumbent upon the game's governors to act decisively. No one is suggesting the retrospective Brownlow Medal presentation should in anyway be flaunted in front of Watson or that the celebrations be over the top.
But neither should Cotchin nor Mitchell be made to feel guilty about winning it when all they have done was finished second to a player ultimately deemed ineligible. The worst of what took place at Essendon was clearly done without the unfortunate Watson's knowledge but it was done.
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-in-a-muddle-over-brownlow-presentation-20161122-gsv8fd.html
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Yes, lets tip toe around the drug cheats, we don't want to upset their royal household after their ill gotten accolades and disruption of the entire competition.
See I think the ceremony is easily done. Have you seen the border ceremony between Pakistan and India? Similar to that except Cotch and Mitchel gets to snatch the medal off of the drug cheats chest and slap his face for besmirching the good name and dignity of the Brownlow. Watson cops it on the chin and then gets on with trying to win one legit. Nothing but dignity and grace for all involved.
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:clapping :clapping Owl is never wrong when it comes to this stuff
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Brownlow date confirmed for Mitchell, Cotchin
AFL.com.au
25 November 2016
SAM MITCHELL and Trent Cotchin will be awarded their retrospective Brownlow Medals at a function in Melbourne on Tuesday, December 13.
They were declared winners of the game's most prestigious individual honour after Essendon's Jobe Watson chose to hand his medal back earlier this month. Watson saved the AFL Commission from having to decide whether to strip the midfielder of the prize after he was found guilty of doping by the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
The ceremony will be part of the AFL Commission's meeting that day, when the hearing into Greater Western Sydney's charge of conduct unbecoming over the club's role in the Lachie Whitfield affair will also take place.
The presentation will start at noon, with proceedings expected to take an hour. Later in the afternoon, Mitchell and Cotchin will have a private gathering.
Mitchell was at Hawthorn in 2012 but was traded to West Coast at the end of the 2016 season, while Cotchin was named Richmond captain in 2013 after his breakout season the previous year.
Former Essendon sports scientist Stephen Dank, who was handed a lifetime ban by the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal that prevents him from working in any sport, declared on Monday that Bombers skipper Watson "will have his Brownlow back" after a hearing to the AFL Appeals Board.
The hearing was due to take place on Monday but Dank did not show up after claiming a life-threatening condition to a family member prevented him from attending.
It will take place on December 1 as long as he provides proof of the illness to the Appeals Board by 5pm on Friday.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-24/brownlow-date-confirmed-for-mitchell-cotchin
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Ian Stewart and Shane Crawford to bestow Trent Mitchell and Sam Mitchell with 2012 Brownlow Medals
JON RALPH,
Herald Sun
December 8, 2016
CHAMPIONS Ian Stewart and Shane Crawford will crown Trent Cotchin and Sam Mitchell as joint 2012 Brownlow medallists on Tuesday.
Triple Brownlow medallist Stewart confirmed to the Herald Sun that he had been asked by Richmond to bestow the medal on Cotchin.
He is the Tigers most recent Brownlow winner (1971). Former Hawk Crawford won his Brownlow in 1999.
St Kilda and Richmond star Stewart said he has not been to a Brownlow ceremony since Barry Round’s victory in 1981.
He rarely attends AFL functions, although he was at the AFL Hall of Fame night when late Saint Darrel Baldock became an AFL legend in 2006.
The AFL Commission will announce Cotchin and Mitchell as 2012 Brownlow medallists at an hour-long ceremony at AFL House.
The players will then have a private function with invited guests.
The occasion is unprecedented and follows Jobe Watson handing back his Brownlow last month after being banned for his role in the 2012 Essendon supplements scandal.
The AFL later ruled Watson ineligible.
Stewart said he was thrilled to be involved in the ceremony because of the high regard in which he held Cotchin.
“I was asked about 10 days ago — (Richmond chief executive) Brendon Gale called me,” he said.
“I am really looking forward to it. I am a Trent Cotchin admirer. He is courageous, team-orientated. I think he’s a good leader and he’s a very, very good player.”
Stewart, 73, said that while he has moved on from his brilliant career, he was not a recluse.
“I am not anti-social but I try to keep it in balance,” he said.
“I don’t want to live in the past. You can get sucked into reminiscing and nostalgia.
“Every day is a new challenge. If you tend to live in your past life too much it stops you from developing.
“Trent is a part of present-day Richmond and a deserving winner and it’s an honour to be there.”
Crawford, who played 305 games for Hawthorn, told the Herald Sun last month that Mitchell was a worthy winner.
“It’s a bit awkward, and I’m sure the guys would feel a bit awkward about it,” he said.
“But when they look back in 20-30 years’ time they’ll be proud to be Brownlow medallists.
“You can’t rewind the clock, but I’d love the AFL to have a ceremony where we don’t talk much about why we’re in this situation.”
Mitchell and Cotchin have spoken about the awkwardness of celebrating the moment under the circumstances of Watson losing his Brownlow.
Mitchell has always polled well in the Brownlow count and Cotchin’s 2012 season was the best of his career.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/ian-stewart-and-shane-crawford-to-bestow-trent-mitchell-and-sam-mitchell-with-2012-brownlow-medals/news-story/02111a729555182cc2b4f5b17e44a6f6
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Cotch receives his Brownlow medal today :thumbsup.
2012 Brownlow Medal presentation running sheet
12.15 - Welcome and opening to ceremony.
12.20 - Trent Cotchin highlights package.
12.23 - AFL Commission Chairman Mike Fitzpatrick toast to Trent Cotchin, introduction of Ian Stewart to present medal.
12.26 - Trent Cotchin QA and speech.
12.38 - Sam Mitchell highlights package.
12.41 - Mike Fitzpatrick toast to Sam Mitchell, introduction of Shane Crawford to present medal.
12.44 - Sam Mitchell QA and speech.
12.56 - Trent Cotchin / Sam Mitchell joint vision / photograph opportunities.
1pm (approx.) - Trent Cotchin / Sam Mitchell interview opportunities.
1.20pm (approx.) – Media wrap up at end of interviews.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-12-12/revealed-cotchins-brownlow-medal-presentation
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You can watch the ceremony live here (starts 12:15pm):
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-12-13/watch-cotchins-brownlow-live
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Congrats Cotch :clapping :thumbsup.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzhN6f0UcAAoORv.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/AFL
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Here's a video clip:
The moment Richmond star Trent Cotchin was awarded the 2012 #Brownlow Medal moments ago.
https://twitter.com/AFL/status/808485285709238272
https://twitter.com/AFL
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Yah and justice is done
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I'm getting the most enjoyment from reading salty Essendon supporters
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So happy for Cotchin...well done champ :cheers
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He said he has been trying to act in a humbling manner.
Thing is, you don't really need to tell people that of yourself.
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:clapping :cheers :clapping.
Well done champ.
.....Now that he's a Brownlow medalist I'm expecting him to be able to atleast be able to beat his opponent in a finals game. :shh
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What a joke...watched the C7 news last night and they didnt give the story any air time. They had the cameras there and they interviewed Cotch with the actual medal around his neck, in relation to our prospects next season, in a package about most teams...every other network ran the story cept The drug cheats old man's station.
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What a joke...watched the C7 news last night and they didnt give the story any air time. They had the cameras there and they interviewed Cotch with the actual medal around his neck, in relation to our prospects next season, in a package about most teams...every other network ran the story cept The drug cheats old man's station.
Funny
I am sure there was a 2minute piece early in the bulletin?
Saw it again on twitter last night
Wasn't part of sport, Jen Keyne introduced it.
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I'm getting the most enjoyment from reading salty Essendon supporters
It's something to behold :lol
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I'm getting the most enjoyment from reading salty Essendon supporters
It's something to behold :lol
Do you think they will boo Cotchin when we play them? I think they will
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I'm getting the most enjoyment from reading salty Essendon supporters
It's something to behold :lol
Do you think they will boo Cotchin when we play them? I think they will
Well we can stuffin boo them
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Cotchin craves team success
richmondfc.com.au
14 December 2016
As delighted and honoured as Richmond captain Trent Cotchin was to retrospectively receive the 2012 Brownlow Medal at yesterday’s special ceremony, it’s team success with the Tigers that he craves.
Cotchin is totally focused on achieving the ultimate from a team perspective at Tigerland.
“What I’m striving to do as a football player, especially for the Richmond Football Club, is win a premiership . . . It’s pretty special, and that’s what we’re striving to do at Richmond,” Cotchin said.
And Cotchin believes the Tigers are well placed to quickly turn around their fortunes after a bitterly disappointing 2016 season, which saw them slump to 13th place on the ladder with just eight wins, following three consecutive finals campaigns.
“The change that we’ve had over the off-season and some of the players we’ve brought in, whether it be tried players or some youth, we’re really excited . . .
“We feel reinvigorated, and that energy’s important. We lost our mojo a little bit last season.
“The challenge for us is just to take steps forward . . . embrace it.”
Cotchin was reminded of his all-round football capabilities through a highlights package of his 2012 season that was shown at the Brownlow presentation function.
“Watching those highlights back, I pushed forward and impacted on the scoreboard as well,” he said.
“I’m not suggesting that I haven’t played good footy since, but what I’m looking forward to doing, is playing my best footy going forward.
“I hope that I’ve got a fair bit of footy left ahead of me and, hopefully, it’s good footy.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-12-14/cotchin-craves-team-success
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Cotchin’s show of respect to Jobe
SAM EDMUND, GLENN McFARLANE
Herald Sun
14 December 2016[/i]
ELEVATED Brownlow medallist Trent Cotchin called Jobe Watson before Tuesday’s ceremony to clear the air over the unprecedented handover.
Cotchin said he felt obligated to call the original 2012 winner as a show of respect to the Essendon skipper.
Watson last month surrendered the medal after sitting out the 2016 season because of a doping ban.
He was formally replaced in the history books by 2012 joint runners-up Cotchin and Sam Mitchell.
“Yeah, I’ve contacted Jobe. I thought that was the right thing to do,” Cotchin said.
“But I don’t need to comment any further on that.”
Cotchin said receiving a Brownlow Medal four years on was surreal.
“Absolutely and obviously there’s a lot of emotion involved with that as well,” Cotchin said.
“You feel for people and it’s been going on for so long, but hopefully we can all take a step forward now.”
Asked if Watson’s plight had watered down his thrill at winning the game’s biggest individual honour, Cotchin said: “I think it’s hard to comment if you haven’t actually won it on the night.
“This is the only way I know it feels to win a Brownlow Medal given it’s very different. I’ll enjoy the moment and I’ve tried to be really humble in the whole thing and obviously the decisions have been out of our hands and we just went with the flow.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/trent-cotchins-show-of-respect-to-jobe-watson-before-2012-brownlow-medal-handover/news-story/efa34588fe750031ee718abcbe3503b6
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I'm getting the most enjoyment from reading salty Essendon supporters
It's something to behold :lol
Do you think they will boo Cotchin when we play them? I think they will
Think a lot on here boo him too so no issue
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I'm getting the most enjoyment from reading salty Essendon supporters
It's something to behold :lol
Do you think they will boo Cotchin when we play them? I think they will
Think a lot on here boo him too so no issue
I asked cos bombers fans sook about everything so figured theyred be this massive boo going round on our first meeting..
The type to evoke mass beatings of their fans
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I'm getting the most enjoyment from reading salty Essendon supporters
It's something to behold :lol
Do you think they will boo Cotchin when we play them? I think they will
Think a lot on here boo him too so no issue
I asked cos bombers fans sook about everything so figured theyred be this massive boo going round on our first meeting..
The type to evoke mass beatings of their fans
Sounds like our fans
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They were asking on SEN just before if Cotch will be stripped of his Brownlow to give it back to Watson ::) based on today's Herald-Sun articles posted here: http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=17263.msg667826#msg667826.
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They were asking on SEN just before if Cotch will be stripped of his Brownlow to give it back to Watson ::) based on today's Herald-Sun articles posted here: http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=17263.msg667826#msg667826.
Wimpley & Slobbo will probably lead the campaign.... :shh
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They just have to get over it it was on the WADA list.
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They just have to get over it it was on the WADA list.
This. All this sooking and making noise, its a non issue. Just because it wasn't listed on a website doesn't mean it wasn't illegal.
Can't wait to hear the bummers ham on about this for the next 50 years though. :rollin
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At the end of the day if you're going to inject something then you need to ensure it's legal.
Not see that it's absent from one of several lists and hope for the best due to negligence...
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If the story is correct, and for sure it is being taken to court by lovett-murray and he wins, the repurcussions will be felt by all.
On face value if the dates are correct then theres every chance Cotchin and Mitchell will have to hand their Brownlows back.
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If the story is correct, and for sure it is being taken to court by lovett-murray and he wins, the repurcussions will be felt by all.
On face value if the dates are correct then theres every chance Cotchin and Mitchell will have to hand their Brownlows back.
FFS Claw
:facepalm
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If the story is correct, and for sure it is being taken to court by lovett-murray and he wins, the repurcussions will be felt by all.
On face value if the dates are correct then theres every chance Cotchin and Mitchell will have to hand their Brownlows back.
You sound hopeful... :shh
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The article couldn’t be any more stupid. They literally have the ASADA/WADA clause which says that it doesn’t matter whether something is not on the prohibited list it doesn’t allow you use it in the article and yet this is supposedly new evidence which contradicts the suspensions?
More like click bait article to generate some headlines in the off-season.
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If the story is correct, and for sure it is being taken to court by lovett-murray and he wins, the repurcussions will be felt by all.
On face value if the dates are correct then theres every chance Cotchin and Mitchell will have to hand their Brownlows back.
Clearly, you don't have any clue around the WADA/ASADA rules.
There is nothing to see here. Article is another desperate attempt by the gutter rag The HUN to solicit sympathy for the Bombers
Richard Ings former ASADA boss debunked it yesterday as did the ASADA boss of the time McDevett.
If Lovett-murray feels the need to sue, he should start with his former club.
The article couldn’t be any more stupid. They literally have the ASADA/WADA clause which says that it doesn’t matter whether something is not on the prohibited list it doesn’t allow you use it in the article and yet this is supposedly new evidence which contradicts the suspensions?
More like click bait article to generate some headlines in the off-season.
Exactly
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If the story is correct, and for sure it is being taken to court by lovett-murray and he wins, the repurcussions will be felt by all.
On face value if the dates are correct then theres every chance Cotchin and Mitchell will have to hand their Brownlows back.
I hope they take it to court and blow several million dollars more on a lost cause :)
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On the back of their podcast chat, did the AFL make the right decision awarding Trent Cotchin and Sam Mitchell the 2012 Brownlow Medallists when they took it off Jobe Watson?
VIDEO: https://x.com/1116sen/status/1864108608109334914
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On the back of their podcast chat, did the AFL make the right decision awarding Trent Cotchin and Sam Mitchell the 2012 Brownlow Medallists when they took it off Jobe Watson?
VIDEO: https://x.com/1116sen/status/1864108608109334914
Absolutely they did.
Highest recognised anti-doping body on the planet found them guilty.
Dons supporters have to cut the 'beyond reasonable doubt' nonsense and realise it's 'to the satisfaction of a reasonable & objective person' like in a Civil matter.
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Jobe was found guilty of being a drug cheat. Might rankle with some in the afl world but anywhere else in the world it is cut and dried.
For some reason, in Australia people can’t get their head around the fact there are Australian drug cheats in all types of sports and the AFL. Some are at the fault of the athlete, some are the way they are managed, some are both.
There might not be many but yes - it happens here as well.
In professional sport, the responsibility lies solely with the athlete and it is ultimately up to the athlete to take the appropriate level of care to protect themselves.
I feel sorry for Jobe but thems the facts. No Brownlow for you!
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The same people didn’t shed a tear for Justin Charles who couldn’t play without drugs that allowed him to play and weren’t performance enhancing . I like Jobe and he may have been caught up in the wrong place but them’s the rules .
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The same people didn’t shed a tear for Justin Charles who couldn’t play without drugs that allowed him to play and weren’t performance enhancing . I like Jobe and he may have been caught up in the wrong place but them’s the rules .
I loved Justin Charles as a player. Have a signed jumper of his and frequented his pub in Willy many more times than I could count. Top bloke.
As for shedding a tear for him? Why should they. He took an anabolic steroid on every banned list known to man. Guilty and treated accordingly.
What I find astounding is that James Hird of all people was leader of the pack saying he should have a copped a tougher penalty.
I’ll find the newspaper clipping
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The same people didn’t shed a tear for Justin Charles who couldn’t play without drugs that allowed him to play and weren’t performance enhancing . I like Jobe and he may have been caught up in the wrong place but them’s the rules .
What? The drugs he took "weren't performance enhancing"?
As Damo said he took an anabolic sterioid which are very much performance enhancing.
He copped what he deserved.
Only difference between Juston and the Essendon players is Justin admitted he knowingly took the drugs. The Essendon players refuse to
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They were judged to be and illegal , but they only allowed to play at his pre injury level , he only took them to keep playing not to enhance his performance !
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They were judged to be and illegal , but they only allowed to play at his pre injury level , he only took them to keep playing not to enhance his performance !
It matters little why he took them
He took them, they were and continue to be banned, he knew they were banned but he took then anyway and they have been proven to enhance performance
To suggest otherwise or to try and justify why he did it is a mute argument, it simple doesn't fly. Even he has said that he made a really stupid choice.
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It matters little to you, he took the risk as he had no other choice if he wanted to play not to improve his performance .
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They were judged to be and illegal , but they only allowed to play at his pre injury level , he only took them to keep playing not to enhance his performance !
LOL
So without them he couldn’t play at his pre-injury level
With them he could play at his pre-injury level
BUT
They didn’t enhance his performance??
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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The most person to answer for this is the head of football running the afl at the time , did anything to cover this up until asada and wada put him in his place and then exited without consequences.
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The most person to answer for this is the head of football running the afl at the time , did anything to cover this up until asada and wada put him in his place and then exited without consequences.
Yeah
He has more to answer for than the bloke putting the needles in his body
Please
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Ha ha You have no idea , and clearly haven’t played football at a senior level where many players had injections to get through a game and to the end of the year in that era.
I always thought you had no idea and now I know Lol
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Ha ha You have no idea , and clearly haven’t played football at a senior level where many players had injections to get through a game and to the end of the year in that era.
I always thought you had no idea and now I know Lol
Feels like a bit of a deflection/strawman argument there.
How are you making the case that anabolic steroids are not performance enhancing in a sport where physical strength is a desirable quality?
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Ha ha You have no idea , and clearly haven’t played football at a senior level where many players had injections to get through a game and to the end of the year in that era.
I always thought you had no idea and now I know Lol
I’ve played at a senior level
Old man was President of a VFL club
Spent more time in and around senior footy than you would know and understand players needle up to get through games.
You can think what you like about me , I couldn’t care a stuff
But there is only one imbecile here stating in plain English that he required the steroids to reach his previous levels , yet indicating they weren’t enhancing his performance
I’ll try and dumb it down for you
IF HIS PERFORMANCE WOULD HAVE BEEN LESS (IMPACTED) WITHOUT THE USE OF DRUGS. AND DRUGS WERE REQUIRED TO IMPROVE HIS PERFORMANCE BACK TO WHERE IT WAS. THEN THE DRUGS ARE PERFORMANCE ENHANCING.
Be like buying a new car.
Driving it for 100k without servicing and it’s running bad.
Getting lubricants and oil change etc.
Having it back to its old performance.
And stating the lubricants and oil change weren’t performance enhancing.
What a load of rubbish.
It’s plain as day who has no idea.
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Baboon's never been the brightest bulb and this thread only confirms it. :shh
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The most person to answer for this is the head of football running the afl at the time , did anything to cover this up until asada and wada put him in his place and then exited without consequences.
Yeah
He has more to answer for than the bloke putting the needles in his body
Please
This scandal happened under is reign and he did everything to cover it up and tipped the bombers they we're going to be raided. It's called accountability. Both parties liable.
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I don’t give care the slightest what your parents did, obvious you were too busy with ballet classes and didn’t play with pain killers every week just to get through.
I said it was illegal but I think that a drug that is just used to treat an injury doesn’t increase performance, but did I say it was illegal and was punished? Whilst I understand your view I think you are STUPID as you need to be right and cannot agree to disagree when someone has a different viewpoint
Dio rrhea by name and by nature , it just keeps coming out of the mouth , with the little petty narcissist cheap shot what a moron. Never has anything to add of value, have a look at the negative crap he dribbled out the draft, I guess haters have got to hate !
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LMAO - baboon on the loose....(https://metalneverbends.forumotion.com/users/3115/50/25/04/smiles/1323630686.gif)
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LMAO - baboon on the loose....(https://metalneverbends.forumotion.com/users/3115/50/25/04/smiles/1323630686.gif)
He’s gone whack
I’m going to assume the foetal position and sob myself to sleep
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A banned drug is a banned drug. It’s not a debate because it’s THE EFFING RULE.
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Who’s debating , I’m pretty sure people can express an opinion whether you like it or not .!
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I don’t give care the slightest what your parents did, obvious you were too busy with ballet classes and didn’t play with pain killers every week just to get through.
I said it was illegal but I think that a drug that is just used to treat an injury doesn’t increase performance, but did I say it was illegal and was punished? Whilst I understand your view I think you are STUPID as you need to be right and cannot agree to disagree when someone has a different viewpoint
Dio rrhea by name and by nature , it just keeps coming out of the mouth , with the little petty narcissist cheap shot what a moron. Never has anything to add of value, have a look at the negative crap he dribbled out the draft, I guess haters have got to hate !
I see you ignored my previous post.
Are you suggesting now that the anabolic steroid 'boldenone undecylenate' isn't performance-enhancing?
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Andyy - if my car example didn’t do the trick, there was no chance your post was
https://youtu.be/_jl4iL6hCqs?si=Z7oM6WuUI64GhRK6
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Then pain killing injections are performance enhancing drugs !
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Then pain killing injections are performance enhancing drugs !
Another deflection
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Cortisone injections is another , of course steroids are illegal which I’ve said 4 times but by the definition a drug that allows you to play when you otherwise couldn’t is improving a players performance.
I respect your opinion but I don’t agree with it , surely you can understand that ?
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Cortisone injections is another , of course steroids are illegal which I’ve said 4 times but by the definition a drug that allows you to play when you otherwise couldn’t is improving a players performance.
I respect your opinion but I don’t agree with it , surely you can understand that ?
Anabolic steroids contribute to muscle growth.
The steroid injection you're talking about reduces inflammation and pain.
That's a key difference.
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If the muscle growth is only to heal an injury , it would be a similar result if it allows a player to get the field when the wouldn’t have without the drug,
Both could be argued as performance enhancing.
Its pointless anyway , ones legal ones not, compliance is required and if I see it a little grey compared to your black or white it’s because I see it’s use for injury under medical supervision in small quantities as beneficial to healing but unsupervised for uninjured players in large quantities as cheating .
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Here’s the real issue. The whole world over has banned anabolic steroids since forever. Argument, debate or whining - however you look at it, is irrelevant. It’s like arguing the speed limit.
Your opinion matters not. It is what it is.
Ben Johnston is a drug cheat.
Justin Charles is a drug cheat.
As is Jobe.
Case closed, if you don’t like it / bad luck.
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Sure, said it was illegal and if people cheat they deserve their right wack😁
I’m happy for you to have your own opinion on anything as long as it respectful, it doesn’t make it right or wrong , it’s just an opinion .
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Sure, said it was illegal and if people cheat they deserve their right wack😁
I’m happy for you to have your own opinion on anything as long as it respectful, it doesn’t make it right or wrong , it’s just an opinion .
His opinion is right
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Sure, said it was illegal and if people cheat they deserve their right wack😁
I’m happy for you to have your own opinion on anything as long as it respectful, it doesn’t make it right or wrong , it’s just an opinion .
It’s not an opinion. It’s fact as decreed by the governing bodies. Yours is an opinion.
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Same with the Essendon argument, the reasons and why Justin or Essendon players took the drugs, matters zero. They took them, they were proven to have a banned substance in them. Whether it's intentional, bad luck or whatever, if it's a banned substance, the players need to be held accountable.
Same with Warney, regardless of the reason, we can paint it up to be this lovely story about weight loss, which may be true. If it's banned it's banned and there needs to be consequences to deter players doing it and absolutely ruining professional sport.
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Ignorance is not an excuse for doping charges by ASADA/WADA in the AFL or any other sport. At the end of the day you and you alone are responsible for why goes into your body so their penalties were absolutely justified.
Hatred of Essendon aside though, I do feel a bit sorry for Jobe and the rest of the players. If you can’t trust your club doctors and high performance team to be doing things by the book and looking after your well-being then who can you trust? Especially for the younger players, can you really expect them to stand up to senior people at the club to question what was being administered to them?
That whole “program” was disgraceful by the bombers. Even if you buy into their story that was being administered was not on the banned substances list and that no player was ever actually tested positive for any banned substance, the whole thing was beyond shady. Going to offsite facilities to get the drugs administered, having massive gaps in their documentation so much so that they didn’t even have records of when and what was being administered.
I didn’t read the one million articles that came out during the time so I’m far from an expert. correct me if I’m wrong on any of the above.
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Ignorance is not an excuse for doping charges by ASADA/WADA in the AFL or any other sport. At the end of the day you and you alone are responsible for why goes into your body so their penalties were absolutely justified.
Hatred of Essendon aside though, I do feel a bit sorry for Jobe and the rest of the players. If you can’t trust your club doctors and high performance team to be doing things by the book and looking after your well-being then who can you trust? Especially for the younger players, can you really expect them to stand up to senior people at the club to question what was being administered to them?
That whole “program” was disgraceful by the bombers. Even if you buy into their story that was being administered was not on the banned substances list and that no player was ever actually tested positive for any banned substance, the whole thing was beyond shady. Going to offsite facilities to get the drugs administered, having massive gaps in their documentation so much so that they didn’t even have records of when and what was being administered.
I didn’t read the one million articles that came out during the time so I’m far from an expert. correct me if I’m wrong on any of the above.
The gaps in documentation were deliberate as part of the cover up.
It's clear as day.
Elsewise, if the program was effective, how would you know what substances to persist with if you don't remember what you gave them? lol
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Ignorance is not an excuse for doping charges by ASADA/WADA in the AFL or any other sport. At the end of the day you and you alone are responsible for why goes into your body so their penalties were absolutely justified.
Hatred of Essendon aside though, I do feel a bit sorry for Jobe and the rest of the players. If you can’t trust your club doctors and high performance team to be doing things by the book and looking after your well-being then who can you trust? Especially for the younger players, can you really expect them to stand up to senior people at the club to question what was being administered to them?
That whole “program” was disgraceful by the bombers. Even if you buy into their story that was being administered was not on the banned substances list and that no player was ever actually tested positive for any banned substance, the whole thing was beyond shady. Going to offsite facilities to get the drugs administered, having massive gaps in their documentation so much so that they didn’t even have records of when and what was being administered.
I didn’t read the one million articles that came out during the time so I’m far from an expert. correct me if I’m wrong on any of the above.
The gaps in documentation were deliberate as part of the cover up.
It's clear as day.
Elsewise, if the program was effective, how would you know what substances to persist with if you don't remember what you gave them? lol
Well said. Aboslute joke of an organization.
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Ignorance is not an excuse for doping charges by ASADA/WADA in the AFL or any other sport. At the end of the day you and you alone are responsible for why goes into your body so their penalties were absolutely justified.
Hatred of Essendon aside though, I do feel a bit sorry for Jobe and the rest of the players. If you can’t trust your club doctors and high performance team to be doing things by the book and looking after your well-being then who can you trust? Especially for the younger players, can you really expect them to stand up to senior people at the club to question what was being administered to them?
That whole “program” was disgraceful by the bombers. Even if you buy into their story that was being administered was not on the banned substances list and that no player was ever actually tested positive for any banned substance, the whole thing was beyond shady. Going to offsite facilities to get the drugs administered, having massive gaps in their documentation so much so that they didn’t even have records of when and what was being administered.
I didn’t read the one million articles that came out during the time so I’m far from an expert. correct me if I’m wrong on any of the above.
The gaps in documentation were deliberate as part of the cover up.
It's clear as day.
Elsewise, if the program was effective, how would you know what substances to persist with if you don't remember what you gave them? lol
Well said. Aboslute joke of an organization.
Cheers.
The Demetriou phone call is what gave them a chance to incinerate everything and play dumb.
Didn't work though.