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EXCLUSIVE: AFL in push for new, third stadium
Charles Happell
Written on Tuesday, 19 March 2013 14:00
The AFL is seriously examining plans to redevelop either the Punt Rd Oval or Princes Park into a boutique, 25,000-seat stadium - to help ease the financial burden on smaller Victorian clubs hobbled by onerous Etihad Stadium deals.
Already, the league has had preliminary plans drawn up as part of a feasibility study into both the Richmond and Carlton precincts.
In the Punt Rd plans, a footbridge would be built directly from Richmond train station over Brunton Avenue and Punt Rd to the ground. The attractiveness of the ground is its proximity to public transport and ease of parking at the MCG - where the AFL would not schedule clashing fixtures.
The Princes Park option would be less expensive because there is already capacity for 15,000 at the ground. It suffers, though, from lack of public transport access, apart from tram routes, and easy parking.
North Melbourne's Arden St ground has also been floated as an option but is even more remote, in terms of public transport and other infrastructure, than Princes Park.
Either way, the AFL sees the third-ground option as a panacea for many of its problems and is pushing hard to get a deal done.
Having been frustrated in its attempts to buy back Etihad Stadium from its owners, and continually held back by the financial problems of its smaller Victorian clubs such as the Western Bulldogs and North Melbourne, the league has taken the dramatic step of exploring this proposal to help redistribute some of its gate-takings revenue.
At the moment, tenant clubs at Etihad Stadium - including St Kilda, the Bulldogs and North - need to draw crowds upwards of 20,000 to make any money at all on home matches, and upwards of 30,000 to draw any meaningful revenue. Occasionally, when an interstate club such as Gold Coast or Port Adelaide comes to town and plays in front of 10,000 or 12,000, the tenant clubs have to write the stadium owners a cheque.
The introduction of GWS and Gold Coast to the competition brings to eight the number of non-Victorian clubs, increasing the likelihood of these small attendances.
Any redevelopment of Punt Rd or Princes Park would cost between $100 million and $150 million and the finished product, like AAMI Park, would be an all-seater, all mod-cons stadium, primarily designed to cater for smaller and medium-sized Victorian clubs playing non-Victorian opposition.
The proposal was brought up at a club CEOs' conference in January and is sure to get another airing at the CEOs' and presidents' meeting tomorrow, at which the contentious subject of equalisation funding will be addressed as part of the ongoing - and increasingly fraught - rich-v-poor debate among clubs.
It is believed the Richmond board has not yet met to formally discuss the plan, but would set up a working party as soon as practicable.
One senior Richmond official said: ''This idea of a boutique stadium will become a hot topic this year, a big ticket item for the AFL. It will help solve many of the issues facing the competition because the league would own the stadium''.
The one drawback to the Punt Rd plan is the recent construction of the ME Bank Centre - home of Richmond's training and administration offices, as well as an Indigenous education centre - on the western side of the ground, and how that would fit into any redevelopment.
AFL Commission chairman Mike Fitzpatrick said yesterday the league was having difficulty in persuading Etihad's owner, Melbourne Stadiums Ltd, to sell the stadium ahead of the official handover date of March 8, 2025, when the AFL takes ownership of the Docklands' site.
If the league was able to broker such a deal - and it has been reported Melbourne Stadiums Ltd is asking for $250 million for the remaining 12 years of the Etihad contract - then the need for the third stadium would become redundant.
An AFL spokesman tonight said the league had no comment to make on the matter.
http://www.backpagelead.com.au/afl/8860-exclusive-afl-in-push-for-new-third-stadium (http://www.backpagelead.com.au/afl/8860-exclusive-afl-in-push-for-new-third-stadium)
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Great initiative by the AFL but overdue!
I've been thinking since the new clubs have arrived that we need a 3rd smaller ground - actually couldn't believe AAMI Park was not going to cater for AFL as well?
Thought they might also consider Junction Oval as state cricket is played there.
Perhaps the AFL can use their famous "persuasive selling skills" to do a deal where Punt Rd becomes the new home for state cricket and AFL football?
You would think that this solves any issue of return of capital employed into the venture and the MCC a perfect back up option for hosting the shield final.
:thumbsup
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Get Stuffed AFL.Puntroad oval is our ground. >:(
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IF Benny and co can pull this one off,i will adopt him as my new saviour
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They'll make us move.
There's no room to build that there anyway
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They'd want to demolish the Jack Dyer stand too
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We can have a new jack dyer stand and a kevin bartlett stand and a michael roach stand and maybe the dale weightman footbridge from the station..while we are at it rename the richmond station the Tommy hafey station
This will give us the opportunity to plaster our name everywhere
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Wouldn't Eddie Everywhere be jealous! :lol
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Wouldn't Eddie Everywhere be jealous! :lol
It would be the coup of this century.
Remember how the Lexus Centre set up Collingwood all those years ago.
This would dwarf it by comparison.
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They'd want to demolish the Jack Dyer stand too
They can't it is heritage listed I believe
It's a nice idea but I cannot see it happening at Punt Road
And this is why:
"The one drawback to the Punt Rd plan is the recent construction of the ME Bank Centre - home of Richmond's training and administration offices, as well as an Indigenous education centre - on the western side of the ground, and how that would fit into any redevelopment"
Punt Road oval is "limited" space, hence why the oval reconfiguration is Etihad size rather than MCG, there isn't the room
So where do you put any new stands
IF Benny and co can pull this one off,i will adopt him as my new saviour
it will have nothing to do with Benny & the RFC IMHO, if it was to happen it will be driven by the AFL because they will need to get the funding. And that would be another good reason to avoid it - AFL control (just cal me cynical)
actually couldn't believe AAMI Park was not going to cater for AFL as well?
AAMI Park was purpose built as a rectangular stadium for soccer and rugby so places like Etihad wouldn't need to be used
Perhaps the AFL can use their famous "persuasive selling skills" to do a deal where Punt Rd becomes the new home for state cricket and AFL football?
You would think that this solves any issue of return of capital employed into the venture and the MCC a perfect back up option for hosting the shield final.
:thumbsup
Are you suggesting that after taking years to get rid of cricket off Punt Road oval and making it footy only you want to put it back on to host State cricket ?
Junction Oval will be the home of State Cricket and I think indirectly you've actually come up with where you'd have this 3rd "boutique" stadium. Upgrade the Junction properly and you can use it for footy during winter and have it for cricket in summer 7/5 split (7 for cricket and 5 for footy)
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No, my first point was that Junction Oval was the solution for both.
I agree that Punt Rd is unlikely but would be more pipedream and a great outcome for the tigers - good point on the state cricket we'd have nowhere to train!
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I thought when they built Docklands it was AFL owned?
A third stadium would solve all problems that ...
North Melbourne, St Kilda and Western Bulldogs. I would throw in Melbourne too.
Where to build?
Visy Park? Build a whole new one maybe at the suggested E-gate?
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i'm with you Mrakov i think we'd be asked to train somewhere else. i kind of like the ground how it is now. its familiar and new at the same time. it has culture and spirit while also being state of the art. if a smaller docklands gets built we lose out as far as it being our club base with the hauntings of players past.
imagine a punt road tunnel being created to divert the traffic!! lmao. another disaster.
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I thought when they built Docklands it was AFL owned?
AFL will own it on 2025 when they have to $1 for it
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Of all the options punt rd is actually most attractive given proximity to transport and parking, this criteria effectively ruling out any other legit option n visy or arden st. Very interesting :shh
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They could build part of the 'stadium' over Brunton Avenue, cars could pass under it like Atletico Madrid's stadium in Spain. I can't post a picture because im using an iPhone. So it could be possible . . .
In any case, as nice as it sounds, would more than likely impact our VFL side, training etc. Also no way should cricket be allowed back onto Punt Road Oval after we finally got them to move! :police: :banghead I'm against it for all those reasons, but the main reason I am opposed to it is because it helps n0rt, Aints and Bumdogs. Let them die already. :shh :pray
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imo its all posturing, sounds like the negotiations for buying out docklands early are getting a bit more serious. Can't see this happening, especially now that 20mill has just been spent
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Get Stuffed AFL.Puntroad oval is our ground. >:(
:clapping Well said C.I. Punt Road is a sacred site to us. GTFO AFL! I'd be filthy with Nort having Punt Road Oval as their home ground. >:( For the cost of redeveloping Punt Road, they can build a whole new stadium somewhere else close to public transport. How about Jells Park? Plenty of space out there. ;D But in all seriousness, How about Toorak or Orrong Park? they could still use the ground for cricket in Summer if needed and Toorak Station is right there. Any Parking requirements could go underground or multi-level.
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Don't like this.The AFL would push us out of our home ground while games like the Bulldogs versus Gold Coast would be played there.
That's when Vlad has a death warrant.
He has been eyeing this ground for a long time I reckon and thinking of the ways he can make money from the ground OUR MEMBERS HELPED build back up.
FO AFL.
THIS IS OUR GROUND.
WE BUILT IT THEN YOU WANT TO TAKE IT???
GAGF!!!!!!
I would only use it for Richmond home games against lesser teams.
VLAD the cheek of the bloke.
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Another thing,the equalisation argument or lobby is only being brought out now because Richmond are becoming strong.
WAS NEVER BROUGHT UP years ago!!!!!!!
ONLY NOW when RICHMOND are getting stronger off field.
Funny that! :whistle
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Get Stuffed AFL.Puntroad oval is our ground. >:(
:clapping Well said C.I. Punt Road is a sacred site to us. GTFO AFL! I'd be filthy with Nort having Punt Road Oval as their home ground. >:( For the cost of redeveloping Punt Road, they can build a whole new stadium somewhere else close to public transport. How about Jells Park? Plenty of space out there. ;D But in all seriousness, How about Toorak or Orrong Park? they could still use the ground for cricket in Summer if needed and Toorak Station is right there. Any Parking requirements could go underground or multi-level.
Why would they give to n0rf when they'll be in Tassie? :whistle
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Get Stuffed AFL.Puntroad oval is our ground. >:(
:clapping Well said C.I. Punt Road is a sacred site to us. GTFO AFL! I'd be filthy with Nort having Punt Road Oval as their home ground. >:( For the cost of redeveloping Punt Road, they can build a whole new stadium somewhere else close to public transport. How about Jells Park? Plenty of space out there. ;D But in all seriousness, How about Toorak or Orrong Park? they could still use the ground for cricket in Summer if needed and Toorak Station is right there. Any Parking requirements could go underground or multi-level.
Why would they give to n0rf when they'll be in Tassie? :whistle
So you want every club playing on our ground while the AFL takes the profits?
Once they take it over,we will get screwed for sure.
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Not sure I even said anything remotely like that :banghead
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Not sure I even said anything remotely like that :banghead
OK mate.
:lol
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Was at Punt Rd today visiting the superstore and the new ME. centre goes all around from the NW to the SW side of the ground. Can't touch the Eastern side as it borders Punt Rd.
Punt Rd will remain for our purpose only.Too tight a ground to have 15000 capacity.
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Get Stuffed AFL.Puntroad oval is our ground. >:(
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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Looks like the idea isn't dead and buried yet:
AFL considers boutique stadium
By Adam McNicol2:39pm AEDT Monday, March 25, 2013
THE AFL is seriously looking at redeveloping Carlton's Visy Park or Richmond's Punt Road Oval into a boutique 20,000-seat venue, according to League boss Andrew Demetriou.
"We've done a feasibility study on Visy (Park)," Demetriou said on Monday. "Visy can work.
"But we've got a couple of other options. I think Punt Road's got some legs."
With clubs like North Melbourne and the Western Bulldogs struggling to make money from low-drawing games at Etihad Stadium, the push for the AFL to buy the ground earlier than scheduled or develop a boutique venue has intensified.
The current agreement states that the League will be handed Etihad Stadium for the price of $1 in 2025.
If the AFL and Etihad Stadium's owners can't agree on a price, a boutique stadium could work because only 40 matches need to be played at Docklands from 2015, down from 46 this season.
"We have got a number of games that would be attractive in an 18,000- to 20,000-seat venue," Demetriou added.
"If you've got a full house in a ground you can create a great atmosphere, so I don't think we should close our minds to a boutique stadium."
The possibility of a new stadium being built at the E-Gate development site in Melbourne's inner-west was floated 2009, but that has gone off the AFL's radar.
"It's not something we've thought about," Demetriou said.
............then some more stuff about crowds and starting dates
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-03-25/afls-boutique-push (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-03-25/afls-boutique-push)
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motion denied, GTFO
thanks,
gg
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20,000 isn't enough. It'd have to be at least 25,000 for it to make sense.
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Bulldogs and n0rf couldn't even scrape together 20,000 fans.
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Suburban grounds in vogue
Jon Pierik
The Age
March 26, 2013
It could be back to the future for the AFL, with league boss Andrew Demetriou confirming two suburban grounds from a bygone era, Carlton's Visy Park and Richmond's Punt Road, could re-emerge as boutique venues.
Whether this is a ploy to put pressure on Etihad Stadium to sell the venue to the AFL earlier than the scheduled date – March8, 2025 – thereby improving the financial distributions to struggling clubs, remains to be seen, but Demetriou said the league had conducted a feasibility study on Carlton's home ground.
''Visy Park can work. But we've got a couple of other options. I think Punt Road has got some legs,'' he said.
It's understood a redevelopment of either ground could cost up to $150 million.
AFL chairman Mike Fitzpatrick said last week the league had been unable to agree to a price with Melbourne Stadiums Ltd, acting on behalf of the five superannuation stakeholders in Etihad.
He said time was running out for a deal to make financial sense to the AFL, for the league will automatically take ownership of the stadium for $1 in 2025.
Melbourne has also investigated whether its training venue at Casey Fields could host home-and-away matches.
The last match for premiership points at Visy Park was in 2005. The Blues have indicated strong interest in again playing games there, although its transformation into a training venue could prove a hindrance. Public transport has always been an issue.
The Blues also want to ditch Etihad Stadium as their home ground from 2015 and shift eight home games to the MCG, where a better financial deal awaits.
But the economics of playing there could also help smaller clubs such as the Western Bulldogs and North Melbourne when hosting interstate teams. The break-even attendance would be far lower than required at Etihad Stadium.
Geelong can pocket between $600,000 to $700,000 from a crowd of 20,000 at its home ground, Simonds Stadium.
The AFL will stage 40 matches at Etihad Stadium next season, six less than this year, with the possibility those matches eventually could be held at a smaller venue.
''We have got a number of games that would be attractive in an 18,000- to 20,000-seat venue,'' Demetriou said. ''If you've got a full house in a ground you can create a great atmosphere, so I don't think we should close our minds to a boutique stadium.''
The Tigers believe rebuilding Punt Rd is the ideal move, while North Melbourne's Arden Street venue is also an outside option.
The AFL also said it wanted to lift club memberships from 700,000 to 1 million by 2016.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/suburban-grounds-in-vogue-20130325-2gpyd.html#ixzz2OYvyYwP6
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Is the Punt Road oval lease vested to the Richmond Cricket Club, who have then sub-leased to RFC ?
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Is the Punt Road oval lease vested to the Richmond Cricket Club, who have then sub-leased to RFC ?
I couldn't find this in last year's concise financial report Darth so I'm not sure if it's changed but the following statement is from the 2010 concise financial report:
The RFC owns 51% of the RCC and includes any surplus or deficit of RCC operations in its financial results. The operations of the RCC are to hold the lease of Punt Road Oval from the Melbourne City Council and to be an accredited member of Cricket Victoria.
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Punt Road plans could force Tigers to relocate
By Matt Thompson
afl.com.au
Friday, March 29, 2013
ANY PLAN to redevelop Punt Road into a third stadium for Melbourne would likely force Richmond to re-locate.
AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou has put the concept of a boutique stadium in the city squarely on the agenda, with the Tigers training base and Carlton's Visy Park slated as potential locations.
But as two of the code's bigger drawing clubs, it's unlikely either the Blues or Tigers would want to host home games at a 20,000-seat venue themselves.
Richmond chief executive Brendon Gale is open to any proposal, but said there'd need to be compelling case.
"I acknowledge the AFL is looking seriously at this. On face value it seems like a really exciting opportunity," Gale told AFL.com.au.
"It'd have to be a fairly strong commercial rationale to take it further," he said.
The Tigers have only recently completed an upgrade of Punt Road oval, and have established the ME Bank Centre as a state-of-the-art training complex.
Even a two-year project would force the Tigers to find a new place to train.
Carlton's scenario would be slightly different, and the Blues have welcomed the concept – but the club won't be chipping in for the costs.
"It's got to be funded by the AFL and the state government and if that happens then it can work," chief executive Greg Swann told AFL.com.au.
Swann said it was up to the AFL to "pull the trigger" if anything was to happen in the next couple of years.
A third option for a boutique stadium could be Casey Fields at Cranbourne.
Melbourne currently has a presence at the south-eastern site, in one of the metropolitan area's biggest urban growth corridors.
It's understood a stadium at the previously floated Docklands E-gate site is not currently on the agenda.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-03-29/tigers-on-the-prowl
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Punt Road plans could force Tigers to relocate
By Matt Thompson
afl.com.au
Friday, March 29, 2013
ANY PLAN to redevelop Punt Road into a third stadium for Melbourne would likely force Richmond to re-locate.
AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou has put the concept of a boutique stadium in the city squarely on the agenda, with the Tigers training base and Carlton's Visy Park slated as potential locations.
But as two of the code's bigger drawing clubs, it's unlikely either the Blues or Tigers would want to host home games at a 20,000-seat venue themselves.
Richmond chief executive Brendon Gale is open to any proposal, but said there'd need to be compelling case.
"I acknowledge the AFL is looking seriously at this. On face value it seems like a really exciting opportunity," Gale told AFL.com.au.
"It'd have to be a fairly strong commercial rationale to take it further," he said.
The Tigers have only recently completed an upgrade of Punt Road oval, and have established the ME Bank Centre as a state-of-the-art training complex.
Even a two-year project would force the Tigers to find a new place to train.
Carlton's scenario would be slightly different, and the Blues have welcomed the concept – but the club won't be chipping in for the costs.
"It's got to be funded by the AFL and the state government and if that happens then it can work," chief executive Greg Swann told AFL.com.au.
Swann said it was up to the AFL to "pull the trigger" if anything was to happen in the next couple of years.
A third option for a boutique stadium could be Casey Fields at Cranbourne.
Melbourne currently has a presence at the south-eastern site, in one of the metropolitan area's biggest urban growth corridors.
It's understood a stadium at the previously floated Docklands E-gate site is not currently on the agenda.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-03-29/tigers-on-the-prowl
Perhaps in retrospect perhaps it might have been better if Menzies had got his way and the 56 Olympic Games where held at Princes Park
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Demetriou today on SEN said the only two options for a boutique stadium they are looking at are Punt Rd and Princes Park. He mentioned Gold Coast vs Richmond as being ideal for a boutique stadium. Not sure how the Tiger Army is meant to fit into Punt Rd these days even if its capacity was increased to 25k.
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I think the Punt Road option is the first option for the AFL. We will be forced to relocate but we will be massively compensated +$20 million IMHO. The problem for us is where do we go to? I am not supportive of us moving. Punt Road Oval is ours but we will be left holding the bag again so the AFL can get its way. Its a disgrace IMHO.
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Demetriou today on SEN said the only two options for a boutique stadium they are looking at are Punt Rd and Princes Park. He mentioned Gold Coast vs Richmond as being ideal for a boutique stadium. Not sure how the Tiger Army is meant to fit into Punt Rd these days even if its capacity was increased to 25k.
Will be coterie members corporates select few rank and file members those who have memberships with reserved seatingand the obligatory 20 or so Suns fans.
Optus Oval is far more accommodating in terms of match day facilities. Last game played there was 2005. We last played at Punt Rd in 1964. ::)
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I think the Punt Road option is the first option for the AFL. We will be forced to relocate but we will be massively compensated +$20 million IMHO. The problem for us is where do we go to? I am not supportive of us moving. Punt Road Oval is ours but we will be left holding the bag again so the AFL can get its way. Its a disgrace IMHO.
"Massively compensated" you are kidding Ramps, this is the AFL we are talking about ;D
I would see us having to move somewhere to train for a pre-season and then we'd be allowed back in on the terms of the AFL.
However, there would be no VFL games at punt road, there wouldn't be much financial benefit as to the club from games being there, where as having VF games there would.
Personally I wouldn't want it, too many people have worked too bloody hard and given too much to re-build our home to an elite training venue and admin complex to now have the AFL say its your ground but we control it.
No thanks
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If they want to do something for the game they could just build a small stadium out at Cranbourne or maybe Improve the Western Oval in Footscray or why not just send the smaller games to Kardinia Park.
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I reckon Collingwood and Carlton are behind this. Eddie and Fitzpatrick.
Why now when RFC are finally getting their on field agendas in a stable and positive position, why bring it up when we are planning on fielding our own VFL side who could conceivably play VFL games at Punt Rd prior to games at the G which gives us two bites of the cherry,why now when our finances are secure and we may be debt free very soon, why now when if this upward on field continues and materialises we get to 60k members and beyond, why now when we could be paid by the VFL to use our ground for other VFL games not involving Richmond.
All this to inconvenience us now. What, we got our govt and AFL handout built the ME centre that is all RFC and now we'll move out and find somewhere new.
Skata, why not 3 years ago instead the powers that be were adopting the wait and see approach and now that we are competitive lets cause them a headache and let's move on this now. We know they can be suspect at board level and Gary March is standing down at the end of the year.
It's all fear of the RFC. Call me crazy but they fear our genuine revival both on and off field and will try and hinder that until our success and the organisations extra revenue over subsequent seasons and sustained success gives us more bargaining power to tell them to go forth and multiply.
Let them use Princes Park. If we are much chop we'll play there seldom lay. Let Carlcheat prop up Nort, Bulldogs Melbourne and St.Kilda.
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If they want to do something for the game they could just build a small stadium out at Cranbourne or maybe Improve the Western Oval in Footscray or why not just send the smaller games to Kardinia Park.
Kardinia Park is Geelong, not Melbourne CBD or inner Melbourne Metro area.
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If they want to do something for the game they could just build a small stadium out at Cranbourne or maybe Improve the Western Oval in Footscray or why not just send the smaller games to Kardinia Park.
Kardinia Park is Geelong, not Melbourne CBD or inner Melbourne Metro area.
Its still a 3rd ground and its already their why must there be a 3rd stadium in Melbourne. Kardinia Park is already there, its got good facilities - Norf and Footscray should be playing 2 or 3 games a year there IMHO.
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it still would remain as an elite training complex, I would think the RFC would come out of it with like a 50 year lease or something but seriously a RFC v GC game, say what, No RFC would ever attract < 35k ...i mean we re heading for 60k members FFS...that means there would be a bloody revolt if any of our home games were to be scheduled at Punt rd, sounds crazy doesnt it ::)
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I think the Punt Road option is the first option for the AFL. We will be forced to relocate but we will be massively compensated +$20 million IMHO. The problem for us is where do we go to? I am not supportive of us moving. Punt Road Oval is ours but we will be left holding the bag again so the AFL can get its way. Its a disgrace IMHO.
"Massively compensated" you are kidding Ramps, this is the AFL we are talking about ;D
I would see us having to move somewhere to train for a pre-seaHin and then we'd be allowed back in on the terms of the AFL.
However, there would be no VFL games at punt road, there wouldn't be much financial benefit as to the club from games being there, where as having VF games there would.
Personally I wouldn't want it, too many people have worked too bloody hard and given too much to re-build our home to an elite training venue and admin complex to now have the AFL say its your ground but we control it.
No thanks
I believe hawthorn made out like bandits with the whole Waverley deal. Set them up as a financial powerhouse
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We'll lose too much money if Rfc games vs minnows are scheduled there
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No from me
I don't want us training anywhere but punt road
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We'll lose too much money if Rfc games vs minnows are scheduled there
No way we'd play anyone there, if we continue to improve we'll draw 40k+ against any interstate club in melb
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We'll lose too much money if Rfc games vs minnows are scheduled there
No way we'd play anyone there, if we continue to improve we'll draw 40k+ against any interstate club in melb
Vlad doesn't seem to think so
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We'll lose too much money if Rfc games vs minnows are scheduled there
No way we'd play anyone there, if we continue to improve we'll draw 40k+ against any interstate club in melb
Vlad doesn't seem to think so
Was a throwaway line, don't be such a drama queen
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I think the Punt Road option is the first option for the AFL. We will be forced to relocate but we will be massively compensated +$20 million IMHO. The problem for us is where do we go to? I am not supportive of us moving. Punt Road Oval is ours but we will be left holding the bag again so the AFL can get its way. Its a disgrace IMHO.
"Massively compensated" you are kidding Ramps, this is the AFL we are talking about ;D
I would see us having to move somewhere to train for a pre-seaHin and then we'd be allowed back in on the terms of the AFL.
However, there would be no VFL games at punt road, there wouldn't be much financial benefit as to the club from games being there, where as having VF games there would.
Personally I wouldn't want it, too many people have worked too bloody hard and given too much to re-build our home to an elite training venue and admin complex to now have the AFL say its your ground but we control it.
No thanks
I believe hawthorn made out like bandits with the whole Waverley deal. Set them up as a financial powerhouse
they sure did, bugga me though id hate to think wed be training at Vic park or some pooheap whilst this was being built...If I was Benny Id be after 2 Priority draft picks for ea year we are away, 10mn dollars into our futures fund and a 100 year lease at $1 / year...anyhow Im sure Benny would have covered all that off, he s a smart cookie :shh
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If they want to do something for the game they could just build a small stadium out at Cranbourne or maybe Improve the Western Oval in Footscray or why not just send the smaller games to Kardinia Park.
Whitten Oval is an open venue these days. Like us they received huge Federal govt funding to upgrade the facility for training but also for a community centre that is really hub in the area. There is a lot more out there than just the oval. It would cost alot more to being it back to being an AFL venue.
Maybe they should look at Craigieburn seeing it's not being used for VFL footy anymore seeing Coburg has given it the flick rather than Cranbourne ;D
I believe hawthorn made out like bandits with the whole Waverley deal. Set them up as a financial powerhouse
The Hawks compo from the league was minor the real $$$$$ came from the developers put there. There big financial windfall outside that is their Tassie deal
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Oh i get what vlad was talkin about, that GC play there home fixture at Punt Rd, makes sense and a real financial boon too :shh
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This talk is utter crap. Over to you Benny tell them to shove any deal up their date
All this while pies will unleash their Olympic park ground across the road and Hawks have the golden VFL park all to themselves
No way
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If they want to do something for the game they could just build a small stadium out at Cranbourne or maybe Improve the Western Oval in Footscray or why not just send the smaller games to Kardinia Park.
Whitten Oval is an open venue these days. Like us they received huge Federal govt funding to upgrade the facility for training but also for a community centre that is really hub in the area. There is a lot more out there than just the oval. It would cost alot more to being it back to being an AFL venue.
Maybe they should look at Craigieburn seeing it's not being used for VFL footy anymore seeing Coburg has given it the flick rather than Cranbourne ;D
I believe hawthorn made out like bandits with the whole Waverley deal. Set them up as a financial powerhouse
The Hawks compo from the league was minor the real $$$$$ came from the developers put there. There big financial windfall outside that is their Tassie deal
Correct
IIR it was a $1 lease
Developers would've given them plenty
Saints knocked it back first. Hahahaha
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We'll lose too much money if Rfc games vs minnows are scheduled there
No way we'd play anyone there, if we continue to improve we'll draw 40k+ against any interstate club in melb
Vlad doesn't seem to think so
Was a throwaway line, don't be such a drama queen
Who knows lol
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Oh i get what vlad was talkin about, that GC play there home fixture at Punt Rd, makes sense and a real financial boon too :shh
Yes a financial boon for the AFL nor the RFC
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Oh i get what vlad was talkin about, that GC play there home fixture at Punt Rd, makes sense and a real financial boon too :shh
Yes a financial boon for the AFL nor the RFC
WP do you honestly think this will happen? I can see Nought playing Gws and GC there while our reserves side play out at Craigieburn
This is utter BS. I would seriously support a strike if this grows legs.
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Oh i get what vlad was talkin about, that GC play there home fixture at Punt Rd, makes sense and a real financial boon too :shh
Yes a financial boon for the AFL nor the RFC
WP do you honestly think this will happen? I can see Nought playing Gws and GC there while our reserves side play out at Craigieburn
This is utter BS. I would seriously support a strike if this grows legs.
Daniel, if the RFC agree to this boutique nonsense remembering that Benny Gale has said they will listen to any proposal then we the RFC will be loser not a doubt in my mind.
You give the AFL any control then you lose. Look at all the teams outside the Bombers who have moved to Etihad as home tenants they are worse off than they've ever been.
Anyone thinking that other teams playing AFL home games at Punt Road is going to be some massive financial benefit to the RFC are kidding themselves.
I agree with you daniel and posted it before if this idea gets up there will be no AFL games at Punt Road. VFL games atPunt Road is good financially for the RFC (if they do it right of course) AFLgames are not
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You are spot on Willie,
I am very concerned about this.
I really hope we stear right away from it.
We are sitting on a billion dollar asset that will only appreciate in value in time.
Its time for us to landbank, not give our ground to the AFL
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:cheers
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No from me
I don't want us training anywhere but punt road
And I don't want to play home games anywhere bar the G
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If we can't even demand that we have our beloved Punt rd end at the G for ANY game we play there how can we even consider stopping the AFL from pushing us around and doing what they want.
First things first.
It's time we flexed our muscles now and told the AFL, the MCC and all other clubs trying to steal our home ground that "We're mad as hell, and we're not going to take this anymore!"
I think it's ridiculous that we allow all these clubs to use our end. It's a bloody disgrace!
They can sit at the city end. They should count themselves lucky they're playing home games at our ground anyway. If they're not playing us then they can sit wherever they want.
It was our home ground first FFS!
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No from me
I don't want us training anywhere but punt road
And I don't want to play home games anywhere bar the G
Our reserves should play home games only at punt road.
And Richmond should keep the ground for centuries. Not allow AFL grubby mitts near it.
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No from me
I don't want us training anywhere but punt road
And I don't want to play home games anywhere bar the G
Our reserves should play home games only at punt road.
And Richmond should keep the ground for centuries. Not allow AFL grubby mitts near it.
And how can we stop the AFL if we can't even stop a minnow like stkilda using our punt road end on Friday night.
What a bloody joke. It's amazes me that people just accept this as normal. :banghead
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wonder what would happen in the UK if they told Man city and Man united they had to give up old trafford and main road and share a ground
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There must be resistance.
We need to start a militant rfc arm
>:(
AC Milan and inter share a ground.
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I demand that the board keep us in the loop on this and ensure that the RFC come out smelling like roses :o
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Another disgrace is that we have to play OUR home game at etihad stadium against the bulldogs round 3!
Its a bloody joke. We are tenants of the MCG before the filth, the bummers, the scum
Or the bum sniffers!
We shouldn't have too and mustn't be forced play home games at etihad! It's bloody ridiculous!
Tell those jokers we will not do it!
Tell 'em all to go and jump!
It's our bloody home game FFS!!!!
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NO, NO, NO, NO, NO AND NO AFL!!!
FUDGE OFF AFL!!!
Spend money and build up Visy Park again as they have the basic infrastructure to build a 22,500 - 25,500 seat stadium.
PUNT ROAD OVAL is not a good idea and GET OUT OF YOUR HEADS that just because there is an easy access to Punt Road jumping on the train or parking at the MCG that you should bullying the Richmond Football Club out of Punt Road.
Spend money on transport to Visy Park or build a car park around Visy Park or ask the State Government for funding.
Like many people have mentioned already, WE HAVE ESTABLISHED OURSELVES FINANCIALLY and we will grown more and more and more with our own VFL team in 2014.
WHY NOT RE-DO THESE Stadiums???
Windy Hill
Whitten Oval
Junction Oval
Arden Street
Why not E-gate???
YOU CAN NOT build a stadium at Cranbourne 45 minutes east of Melbourne and expect the Western Bulldogs to travel there ...
OHHHH WAIT A MINUTE ...
WHY ARE YOU MAKING THIS RICHMOND'S PROBLEM AFL???
THIS IS ST KILDA, WESTERN BULLDOGS, MELBOURNE AND NORTH MELBOURNE'S PROBLEM ...
LET THEM DEAL WITH IT!
SPEND MONEY AFL AND BUILD ANOTHER STADIUM OR TAKE Carlton's option and just build it at Visy Park.
To make money, you must spend money!!!
DO NOT LET THE AFL BULLY YOU RICHMOND!!!
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO AND NO!!!
You want to build a stadium for Richmond? Build a 55,000 - 60,000 seat stadium! Will that help the other weaker clubs? NO!
FUDGE OFF AFL AND LEAVE RICHMOND OUT OF YOUR PROBLEM!!!
BULLIES!!!
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Umadbro?
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6000 Lolz
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No need for lolz I agree with him, vlad and tge afl can get stuffed royally!! :banghead
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I don't see the issue providing the AFL properly consult with our club, avoid disrupting out training at the venue and give the club some kind of commission for returning the venue to its former glory.
Can't wait myself, hope it happens should be worth a couple of million each year if we can negotiate a goos deal for the club.
Mmmmm, financial powerhouse.
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It's a petty thing I know but one of my biggest issues is with how they would deal with the aspect of the new building. I really like the look of it and how it dominates the area, it sends a real powerful message in its own right. I can't see how they could build a stadium to hold 25k and leave a 'gap' in the seating to retain the building facade, and even if they could it would not be visible from outside, losing it's powerful impact.
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i love the current look of Punt road.The new ME bank centre screams out Richmond to anyone passing .Compared to the other Nurenberg inspired calamaties the other clubs have built(Optus oval,whitten oval,Arden st) ours is head and shoulders above them.
If this look and feel can be retained then I have no problem with punt road being made into a boutique ground for the also rans of the AFL...If anyone can do this our lord saviour Benny Gale can..
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I agree G, Benny wouldnt sponsor a move that would compromise the identity we have created at punt rd, Id be the first to chain myself to the bulldozers if he did
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We shall not be moved :gotigers
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I don't see the issue providing the AFL properly consult with our club, avoid disrupting out training at the venue and give the club some kind of commission for returning the venue to its former glory.
Can't wait myself, hope it happens should be worth a couple of million each year if we can negotiate a goos deal for the club.
Mmmmm, financial powerhouse.
But they've already said if they (AFL) chose it as the new boutique stadium then we would have to relocate while it is getting done = disruption to training
And how would it be worth a "couple of million each year" to the RFC? We wouldn't receive one $ from any match day receipts, catering etc for AFL games that are played there and the ability for us to host VFL games there which would be worth $$$ to us would be pratically no existent as AFL games would clearly have priorirty.
As I posted a couple of days ago we are talking about the AFL here their focus in this situation is not to help the RFC but those smaller clubs that they shafted when they shuntyed them off to Etihad a decade ago.
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that disruption would be worth at least 10mn in todays terms and at least 1-2 priority picks on the chance it could impact on our preparations :shh
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that disruption would be worth at least 10mn in todays terms and at least 1-2 priority picks on the chance it could impact on our preparations :shh
Priority picks - :rollin :rollin
$10mil?????
They are not going to give us priority picks, they are not going to gives us compensation
If you think the AFL is going to give a stuff about our "preparations" you are dreaming, if you rthink they are going to give us soem coin as some sort of compo you are dreaming
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The AFL has done enough for us by giving the great Goose the head of umpiring role, no more favours please
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that disruption would be worth at least 10mn in todays terms and at least 1-2 priority picks on the chance it could impact on our preparations :shh
Priority picks - :rollin :rollin
$10mil?????
They are not going to give us priority picks, they are not going to gives us compensation
If you think the AFL is going to give a stuff about our "preparations" you are dreaming, if you rthink they are going to give us soem coin as some sort of compo you are dreaming
who knows but thats the art of negotiation and what im suggesting is that ought to be our bargaining position, we couldnt reasonably be expected to work out of site sheds and train at Vic park for 2-3 years without some kinda liquidated damages
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In Benny Gale we trust
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that disruption would be worth at least 10mn in todays terms and at least 1-2 priority picks on the chance it could impact on our preparations :shh
Priority picks - :rollin :rollin
$10mil?????
They are not going to give us priority picks, they are not going to gives us compensation
If you think the AFL is going to give a stuff about our "preparations" you are dreaming, if you rthink they are going to give us soem coin as some sort of compo you are dreaming
Spot on.
Under no circumstances must we entertain any negotiations with the AFL as the only one who will score the rough end of the deal is the RFC.
Clubs won't allow us to get priority picks or 10 mil compo. That's fantasy talk.
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AS if the AFL will give us a big cheque after a Doggies North game.
THey will take the money and give us 5 bucks and a packet of chips.
Greedy Dimwittio again.
Once we grant pigboy ownership,Punt Road will be a distant memory.
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who knows but thats the art of negotiation and what im suggesting is that ought to be our bargaining position, we couldnt reasonably be expected to work out of site sheds and train at Vic park for 2-3 years without some kinda liquidated damages
That's the bit I don't think you seem to able to or willing to get your head around, we have no bargaining position.
Yes we can listen to whats on offer but the moment you agree remembering they (AFL) are going to need to spend $150 mil to upgrade whichever stadium it is, the moment you agree to let them do it you give up control, which means you have no bargaining position.
And even by some miracle you get a couple million compo that still isn't going to come close to what we lose by giving up the control of OUR HOME 24/7; 365 days a year
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All this is pure speculation at this stage.We have a CEO whose prime responsibility is to look after the interests of RFC.,lets see where this takes us
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This should be voted on by the Richmond members.
Vlad can't just waltz in and take our ground.
It's part of our history.
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Dont think Vlad waltzes .I think goose stepping is more his thing
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I don't see the issue providing the AFL properly consult with our club, avoid disrupting out training at the venue and give the club some kind of commission for returning the venue to its former glory.
Can't wait myself, hope it happens should be worth a couple of million each year if we can negotiate a goos deal for the club.
Mmmmm, financial powerhouse.
But they've already said if they (AFL) chose it as the new boutique stadium then we would have to relocate while it is getting done = disruption to training
And how would it be worth a "couple of million each year" to the RFC? We wouldn't receive one $ from any match day receipts, catering etc for AFL games that are played there and the ability for us to host VFL games there which would be worth $$$ to us would be pratically no existent as AFL games would clearly have priorirty.
As I posted a couple of days ago we are talking about the AFL here their focus in this situation is not to help the RFC but those smaller clubs that they shafted when they shuntyed them off to Etihad a decade ago.
WP, who owns the rights to the ground? Is it the council, the cricket club ie. who gets any proceeds from the AFL and/or the clubs who would need to pay the stadium operator to use the ground. Bit naive I know but I just made the assumption that we had year round access to the ground - therefore we might reasonably expect some access to the funds to pay for using it.
If its a 20k capacity stadium, why wouldn't it attract $200k per game?
That must be half what Etihad are charging if a club can't make money until they get more than 30k through the gate.
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All BS to try to get hold of Etihad earlier than 2025.
:cheers
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Just reading up.
City of Melbourne own the ground and the land
RFC are the operators
I would think any decision must be agreed to by us.
It just seems the AFL have waited for us to fix this ground to Etihad sizes before reinventing this farcical idea of using our ground.
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I don't see the issue providing the AFL properly consult with our club, avoid disrupting out training at the venue and give the club some kind of commission for returning the venue to its former glory.
Can't wait myself, hope it happens should be worth a couple of million each year if we can negotiate a goos deal for the club.
Mmmmm, financial powerhouse.
But they've already said if they (AFL) chose it as the new boutique stadium then we would have to relocate while it is getting done = disruption to training
And how would it be worth a "couple of million each year" to the RFC? We wouldn't receive one $ from any match day receipts, catering etc for AFL games that are played there and the ability for us to host VFL games there which would be worth $$$ to us would be pratically no existent as AFL games would clearly have priorirty.
As I posted a couple of days ago we are talking about the AFL here their focus in this situation is not to help the RFC but those smaller clubs that they shafted when they shuntyed them off to Etihad a decade ago.
WP, who owns the rights to the ground? Is it the council, the cricket club ie. who gets any proceeds from the AFL and/or the clubs who would need to pay the stadium operator to use the ground. Bit naive I know but I just made the assumption that we had year round access to the ground - therefore we might reasonably expect some access to the funds to pay for using it.
If its a 20k capacity stadium, why wouldn't it attract $200k per game?
That must be half what Etihad are charging if a club can't make money until they get more than 30k through the gate.
Etihad situation is very different, it is privately owned.
Yes we hold the lease to operate Punt Road so yes there is an argument that as operators we'd charge some sort of fee.
But the biggest difference is we hold a licence to play in the AFL and who issues that licence? The good old AFL, now call me cynical but they hold the biggest ace in the pack when it is all said and done. Bottom line is I don't trust them and despite the faith I have in the RFC to do the right thing by us the members I can see the AFL screwing us.
I cannot see the AFL agreeing to a usage fee of $200k a game, $20k probably but the end of the day they want the gate receipts going to the struggling clubs so they don't have to keep propping them up
The only thing I can see us successfully "bargaining" for is a guarantee for all our home games at the MCG.
As I said call me cynical.....
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Something is going on here
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I don't see the issue providing the AFL properly consult with our club, avoid disrupting out training at the venue and give the club some kind of commission for returning the venue to its former glory.
Can't wait myself, hope it happens should be worth a couple of million each year if we can negotiate a goos deal for the club.
Mmmmm, financial powerhouse.
But they've already said if they (AFL) chose it as the new boutique stadium then we would have to relocate while it is getting done = disruption to training
And how would it be worth a "couple of million each year" to the RFC? We wouldn't receive one $ from any match day receipts, catering etc for AFL games that are played there and the ability for us to host VFL games there which would be worth $$$ to us would be pratically no existent as AFL games would clearly have priorirty.
As I posted a couple of days ago we are talking about the AFL here their focus in this situation is not to help the RFC but those smaller clubs that they shafted when they shuntyed them off to Etihad a decade ago.
WP, who owns the rights to the ground? Is it the council, the cricket club ie. who gets any proceeds from the AFL and/or the clubs who would need to pay the stadium operator to use the ground. Bit naive I know but I just made the assumption that we had year round access to the ground - therefore we might reasonably expect some access to the funds to pay for using it.
If its a 20k capacity stadium, why wouldn't it attract $200k per game?
That must be half what Etihad are charging if a club can't make money until they get more than 30k through the gate.
Etihad situation is very different, it is privately owned.
Yes we hold the lease to operate Punt Road so yes there is an argument that as operators we'd charge some sort of fee.
But the biggest difference is we hold a licence to play in the AFL and who issues that licence? The good old AFL, now call me cynical but they hold the biggest ace in the pack when it is all said and done. Bottom line is I don't trust them and despite the faith I have in the RFC to do the right thing by us the members I can see the AFL screwing us.
I cannot see the AFL agreeing to a usage fee of $200k a game, $20k probably but the end of the day they want the gate receipts going to the struggling clubs so they don't have to keep propping them up
The only thing I can see us successfully "bargaining" for is a guarantee for all our home games at the MCG.
As I said call me cynical.....
WP, see below in the Hun from a few weeks ago
"GEELONG is inviting the Western Bulldogs to play home games at Simonds Stadium next year with the lure of a $750,000 cheque for crowds of 22k.
As the idea of a third boutique stadium again gained momentum yesterday, the Cats revealed they had made overtures to the AFL about rivals using their redeveloped stadium.
The Cats are not only prepared to sacrifice up to 20 per cent of their profit to rivals as part of equalisation measures, they say there is no need for a boutique ground.
Rather than writing a cheque to Etihad Stadium management for crowds in the low 20,000s, the Bulldogs could make a cash windfall from playing in Geelong.
Geelong chief executive Brian Cook said the offer was on the table for the Bulldogs and other clubs.
Talk of a boutique stadium invariably raises its head when the AFL is bargaining with its existing stadiums, but Cook said his door was also open to other clubs.
"We have had a couple of discussions with the AFL on the continual redevelopment of our stadium, and we are completing stage three now," he told the Herald Sun.
"We have spoken to the AFL on several occasions about the Doggies coming down in particular and playing other AFL clubs.
"We are very willing for that to happen. They would make very good money. Our capacity crowd was 22,000 last year and we made about $750,000 profit per game
Etihad Stadium is contracted to host 46 games until 2014, and at least 40 matches a year from 2015 to 2025, when the AFL takes ownership of the ground.
The AFL said yesterday that while the boutique stadium option had been discussed among clubs again recently, it did not make sense to inject $150 million into Punt Rd or Visy Park when the league would inherit its own stadium for $1.
In 2011, North Melbourne made just $97,540 from 11 home-games at Docklands before guaranteed top-ups of $100,000 per game, with seven losses on games with crowds of less than 28,000.
Geelong has warned the fabric of the competition was threatened if the gap continued to grow between the haves and have-nots."
WP:-
If 20k crowds can make $750k in Geelong, why not Punt Rd?
How is the Geelong model any different to the Tigers? In fact why on earth would we not want to replicate a very successful model from Geelong up here at Punt Rd?
Why wouldn't the AFL skim 30% off that profit to the Tigers? Based on KPs model, clubs still stand to make over $500k per game.
Why wouldn't any other Melbourne club in the AFL be very open to the Punt Rd model given the alternatives at Etihad (cost) and Geelong (travel)?
Why can't the AFL re-develop the stadium around the ground and ME Bank - every other ground in the history of sport has continued to operate whilst being re-developed?
Why are we up in arms over letting the ground out to the AFL for effectively 8 days or about 50 hours EACH YEAR when it might deliver $2m in revenue that goes straight to the bottom line?
WP, while you might be very right to doubt the AFL motives, you should also back our executive to negotiate the best deal.
I reckon 65 is on the money though, this is a red herring to force Etihad managements hand >:(
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I share your concerns Willie,
I really hope that this blows over as soon as possible,
No way we will be better off with the afl taking over our ground
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WP:-
If 20k crowds can make $750k in Geelong, why not Punt Rd?
How is the Geelong model any different to the Tigers? In fact why on earth would we not want to replicate a very successful model from Geelong up here at Punt Rd?
Why wouldn't the AFL skim 30% off that profit to the Tigers? Based on KPs model, clubs still stand to make over $500k per game.
Why wouldn't any other Melbourne club in the AFL be very open to the Punt Rd model given the alternatives at Etihad (cost) and Geelong (travel)?
Why can't the AFL re-develop the stadium around the ground and ME Bank - every other ground in the history of sport has continued to operate whilst being re-developed?
Why are we up in arms over letting the ground out to the AFL for effectively 8 days or about 50 hours EACH YEAR when it might deliver $2m in revenue that goes straight to the bottom line?
WP, while you might be very right to doubt the AFL motives, you should also back our executive to negotiate the best deal.
I reckon 65 is on the money though, this is a red herring to force Etihad managements hand >:(
Fair points you make but the Geelong situation again is different. Firstly they are Club in town that needs them, hence why the GFC has a great deal with local govt
Geelong have total control over Kardinnia Park. They control the catering, signage, the car parking; everything that is the arrangement they have with local government down there. Just Geelong having control over those 3 things means that will make money by having other teams play down there. Also whether the folks down at Geelong want to admit it or not they are in fact a regional town and therefore the overhead costs for a number of things wuld be a lot less than what it would cost to do the same in metro Melb
We don't have the same arrangement. Example: we don't/wouldn't control the car parking that's local Council and they charge a fair whack to open up Yarra Park - so there is no money coming our way from that. In fact if you didn't get a decent crowd then just opening the car park up could end costing the ground operator money
Currently we have no catering in place because games arent' played there but even if we did I would argue that again you'd need a decent crowd to make any money from it. There would be a number in place that would need to be hit before there would be any $$ flowing back to the ground operator. And who's to say that the AFL wont want to have control of this?
As for re-developing the ground. How will it work? The ground has been made bigger to Etihad size dimension and that has almost removed the viewing area (distance between the boundary and the fencing) on the Punt Road side of the ground? What do they intend to do? They can't knock down the Dyer Stand (heritage listed), offices or ME Bank centre so what do they do?
Granted it may only be 8-10 scheduled games a year but the AFL will want the ground available at all times during the year in case they need to move games when clubs seasons turn pear shape (hello MFC ;D)
You said it yourself it might deliver $2mil but I am saying it is unlikely to.
I said I trust the RFC to do the right thing by its members but I dont trust the AFL to deliver on what it implies it will do. With the AFL you need to not only read the fine print but the finer print that never appears until after they get their way
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As for re-developing the ground. How will it work? The ground has been made bigger to Etihad size dimension and that has almost removed the viewing area (distance between the boundary and the fencing) on the Punt Road side of the ground? What do they intend to do? They can't knock down the Dyer Stand (heritage listed), offices or ME Bank centre so what do they do?
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New seating area backs on to Richmond Station and over Brunton Avenue?
Still completely against it unless it is extremely favorable to us somehow? Would rather see the death of N0rt and Melbum.
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WP:-
If 20k crowds can make $750k in Geelong, why not Punt Rd?
How is the Geelong model any different to the Tigers? In fact why on earth would we not want to replicate a very successful model from Geelong up here at Punt Rd?
Why wouldn't the AFL skim 30% off that profit to the Tigers? Based on KPs model, clubs still stand to make over $500k per game.
Why wouldn't any other Melbourne club in the AFL be very open to the Punt Rd model given the alternatives at Etihad (cost) and Geelong (travel)?
Why can't the AFL re-develop the stadium around the ground and ME Bank - every other ground in the history of sport has continued to operate whilst being re-developed?
Why are we up in arms over letting the ground out to the AFL for effectively 8 days or about 50 hours EACH YEAR when it might deliver $2m in revenue that goes straight to the bottom line?
WP, while you might be very right to doubt the AFL motives, you should also back our executive to negotiate the best deal.
I reckon 65 is on the money though, this is a red herring to force Etihad managements hand >:(
Fair points you make but the Geelong situation again is different. Firstly they are Club in town that needs them, hence why the GFC has a great deal with local govt
Geelong have total control over Kardinnia Park. They control the catering, signage, the car parking; everything that is the arrangement they have with local government down there. Just Geelong having control over those 3 things means that will make money by having other teams play down there. Also whether the folks down at Geelong want to admit it or not they are in fact a regional town and therefore the overhead costs for a number of things wuld be a lot less than what it would cost to do the same in metro Melb
We don't have the same arrangement. Example: we don't/wouldn't control the car parking that's local Council and they charge a fair whack to open up Yarra Park - so there is no money coming our way from that. In fact if you didn't get a decent crowd then just opening the car park up could end costing the ground operator money
Currently we have no catering in place because games arent' played there but even if we did I would argue that again you'd need a decent crowd to make any money from it. There would be a number in place that would need to be hit before there would be any $$ flowing back to the ground operator. And who's to say that the AFL wont want to have control of this?
As for re-developing the ground. How will it work? The ground has been made bigger to Etihad size dimension and that has almost removed the viewing area (distance between the boundary and the fencing) on the Punt Road side of the ground? What do they intend to do? They can't knock down the Dyer Stand (heritage listed), offices or ME Bank centre so what do they do?
Granted it may only be 8-10 scheduled games a year but the AFL will want the ground available at all times during the year in case they need to move games when clubs seasons turn pear shape (hello MFC ;D)
You said it yourself it might deliver $2mil but I am saying it is unlikely to.
I said I trust the RFC to do the right thing by its members but I dont trust the AFL to deliver on what it implies it will do. With the AFL you need to not only read the fine print but the finer print that never appears until after they get their way
The proposal involves the Jack Dyer Stand being re-developed, yes it is heritage listed, but so was the MCG, it wont be a big deal to knock it down
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In Benny Gale we trust
Hope so :pray
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