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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on May 19, 2013, 08:39:17 PM
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Ivan and Newy to come back in next week. Petterd and Grimes a possibility as well.
Fire away ...
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Out Nahas, The Big O
In Newman, Ivan
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You need to ask me? :rollin
OUTS: Nahas, Grigg, Stephenson, Dea
INS: Newman, Arnot, Petterd, Maric
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is grimes ready i hope so
out nahas grigg bachelor rance bigO
in newman arnott grimes maric edwards
i believe petterds calf is not healing quick
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Out:
Stephenson, Nahas, McGuane, Batchelor, Dea, Grigg
In:
Maric, Newman, Griffiths, Grimes, A.Edwards, Arnot
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Get rid of Nachos and Griggs
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Get phukken grimes in
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Out:
McGaune [rubbish]
Orren [doesnt jump]
Nahas [didnt touch it]
Jackson [too much downside ie. skills]
Grigg [softish and annoying]
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Out: Robbie Nahas
Big O
In: Ivan
Newy
:thumbsup
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Nachos has to go. Not befitting of a cheese topping and wed be lucky to get that in a trade for him ATm...
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You need to ask me? :rollin
OUTS: Nahas, Grigg, Stephenson, Dea
INS: Newman, Arnot, Petterd, Maric
WP, you've been wanting Grigg dropped every week since he started lol. I'd have to finally give in an agree Grigg needs a rest in the 2's. His bombing long without looking and the big up and under helicopter kicks are just ineffective.
With Bomber forwards of Crameri, Hurley and Ryder we need some heigh in defence. If Grimes isn't ready, we'd have to bring in Griffiths, whether he is capable or not, we can't rely on Batchelor to take on a monster forward like Dawes..
Out:
Stephenson, Dea, McGuane, Nahas, Grigg
In:
Maric, Newman, Griffiths, Grimes, A.Edwards
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Nanas has to go.
I've had enough of him.
Grigg could learn a thing or two at coburg.
White can go too. Waste of space.
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McGuane out Edwards in
White out Grimes in
Big O out Maric in
Dea out Newman in
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WP, you've been wanting Grigg dropped every week since he started lol. I'd have to finally give in an agree Grigg needs a rest in the 2's. His bombing long without looking and the big up and under helicopter kicks are just ineffective.
Not the helicopter kicks that's tipped me over this season. It is his lack of intensity, the refusal to run hard (does he ever get out of a jog?), his inability (or refusal not sure which) to go in for a hard ball. Time to give someone a go who will do that.... oops we did and his name is Vlaustin and he puts Grigg to shame in the above categories
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WP, you've been wanting Grigg dropped every week since he started lol. I'd have to finally give in an agree Grigg needs a rest in the 2's. His bombing long without looking and the big up and under helicopter kicks are just ineffective.
Not the helicopter kicks that's tipped me over this season. It is his lack of intensity, the refusal to run hard (does he ever get out of a jog?), his inability (or refusal not sure which) to go in for a hard ball. Time to give someone a go who will do that.... oops we did and his name is Vlaustin and he puts Grigg to shame in the above categories
The one time he did go for the hard ball yesterday, he was pinged for the sliding rule. :P
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WP, you've been wanting Grigg dropped every week since he started lol. I'd have to finally give in an agree Grigg needs a rest in the 2's. His bombing long without looking and the big up and under helicopter kicks are just ineffective.
Not the helicopter kicks that's tipped me over this season. It is his lack of intensity, the refusal to run hard (does he ever get out of a jog?), his inability (or refusal not sure which) to go in for a hard ball. Time to give someone a go who will do that.... oops we did and his name is Vlaustin and he puts Grigg to shame in the above categories
went in for a crucial hard ball and the demon player tripped over him when he was getting up - free kick against for sliding ;D
poor towball
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Chris Newman and Ivan Maric are expected to return to take on Essendon next Saturday night in what looms as a blockbuster clash at the MCG.
Defenders Dylan Grimes (foot) and Ricky Petterd (calf) will be monitored throughout the week and are considered "wait and see" prospects for the clash with the Bombers, who have lost their last two games.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-05-20/key-pair-set-to-return
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the refusal to run hard (does he ever get out of a jog?)
He does when there is a cheap possession involved
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So far the collected wisdom of OER posters will see the following changes
Out:
Stephenson, Dea, McGuane, Nahas, Grigg, White, Jackson, Batchelor, Rance
In:
Maric, Newman, Griffiths, Grimes, A.Edwards, Arnot, Petterd
So that's 9 outs and 7 ins.
:thumbsup
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Surely Grimes doesn't get a game because of the dreamtime hammy factor
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went in for a crucial hard ball and the demon player tripped over him when he was getting up - free kick against for sliding ;D
poor towball
The one time he did go for the hard ball yesterday, he was pinged for the sliding rule. :P
key words here "the ONE time"
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So far the collected wisdom of OER posters will see the following changes
Out:
Stephenson, Dea, McGuane, Nahas, Grigg, White, Jackson, Batchelor, Rance
In:
Maric, Newman, Griffiths, Grimes, A.Edwards, Arnot, Petterd
So that's 9 outs and 7 ins.
:thumbsup
You forgot Claw wants Vickery out
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Yep I agree. Nachos and Griggs have to go
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structurally they will go something like this its what they have gone with for ages. if any club has adopted the geelong mantra of lots of talls and nearly everyone big bodied its essendon.t this stage of the week id be exploring all options that will enable us to compete with and counter their talls.
some things that have been rattling around in the head are.
b/ fletcher 198/93 - carlisle 200/98 - ##### if we play just two permanent tall forwards a bloke like fletcher is going to have a field day.give em all a like opponent and make em accountable.
hb/ #### - hooker 197/98 - #####.
mids heppell 189/85 - watson 191/95 - stanton 185/84
o/ball bellchambers 202/110 - goddard 189/94 - zarahakis 185/82. hocking 186/88 will tag.hes had a damn good and effective yr tagging maybe somre thought on tagging the tagger keeping him away from our play makers.
hf/ ##### - gumbleton 197/99 - #####
f/ crameri 190/96 - hurley 195/97 - ##### ryder could well make it 4 talls at times because of his mobility and agility.
as much as i want to see rance gone im not sure this is the week to do it. astbury and grimes are a must imo.
int/ ryder 197/94. will rest here at times with bellchambers they both will go forward at some stage.
me i believe the bigger taller players gives you an advantge. to compete we need to at least match up well in this area.
the other area we must significantly improve is our kicking and decision making.
for me ins for now would be
astbury - grimes- newman - a edwards. and possibly one more. only tall id be looking to put a bullet up is rance time to think about shopping him around imo and orren depending on which way we decide too match up.
atm possible outs rance - white - nahas - grigg - with possibly one other.
structure would go
b/ grimes 193/88 - chaplin 195/100 - #####
hb/ ##### - astbury 195/96/ rance ?? - #####
the sml medium backs for me would be morris vlastuin, dea batchelor. . geez we are impatient give dea a decent run at it.
mids deledio 188/88 - cotchin 185/85 - ellis 181/81
rucks maric 200/102 - martin 187/89 - foley 178/79 jackson 189/92 to get a tagging role.
hf/ ##### - vickery 200/97/astbury - ##### if vickery play him soley as a kpf and play two ruckmen.
f/ ##### - riewoldt 195/94 -
sml med forwards king - edwards and possibly a edwards or petterd. theres no way in the world we want petterd with ball in hand coming off hb.
just a few things rattling around in the head for now.
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Herald-Sun Barometer - Round 9
May 21, 2013
RICHMOND
ON THE BLOCK:
With Ivan Maric set to return, Orren Stephenson is headed back to the VFL. After playing one of his best matches at the top level against Port Adelaide a week ago, the Big O was soundly beaten in the ruck yesterday by Demon Mark Jamar. Matt Dea, who was drafted into the squad on Saturday when Chris Newman pulled out with groin soreness, could go straight back out while Matt White is on the fringe after starting in the red vest again. Robin Nahas and Luke McGuane have had little impact up forward in recent weeks although Nahas had three score assists against Melbourne.
ON THE CUSP:
Coach Damien Hardwick says Maric and Newman will both play on Saturday night against Essendon, while Dylan Grimes (foot) and Ricky Petterd (calf) will be tested later in the week. Even if he’s fit, Petterd might struggle to get his spot back with Nick Vlastuin and Brandon Ellis shining in running half-back roles. Richmond’s VFL affiliate Coburg went down to Werribee by 89 points, with draftee Matt McDonough’s three goals a rare highlight. Promoted rookie Sam Lonergan was named in the best players but is a long-shot to make his Tigers debut against his former club.
AL PATON’S FORECAST:
The eighth – and biggest – Dreamtime at the G coming up, with the biggest crowd for these clashes of 83,563 (in 2011) likely to be surpassed. The build-up wasn’t as smooth as expected but the Tigers eventually shrugged off a dogged Melbourne and could have won by a lot more if not for wasteful kicking. Both teams have plenty to play for on Saturday night – win this and the Tigers are likely to be out of the top four only on percentage. With a tough away assignment against the Eagles to follow before the bye, this could be the difference between turning in the black or 5-5.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/the-barometer-round-9/story-fnelctok-1226647063622
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Gee you would have to look at...:
In: Maric (for big O), Arnott (for White), Edwards (for McGuane/Nahas) and Newman (for Dea).
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Gee you would have to look at...:
In: Maric (for big O), Arnott (for White), Edwards (for McGuane/Nahas) and Newman (for Dea).
Can't agree with bringing in A Edwards for Nahas, McGuane yes but not Nahas. Like for like mean you'd go A Edwards for Luke if he doesn't come up. Up until Sunday McGuane's been good so he deserve to keep his spot seeing we don't seem to drop blokes if the play a shocker ;D
White stays because he offered more in just over a qtr than Nahas offered for the entire game. Much better option as a defensive forward these days over Nahas, whose body language says "I want to be anywhere but here"
I'd bring in Arnot because he is a tough nut and as we saw on Saturday the Bombers don't like it tough & rough ;D
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Gee you would have to look at...:
In: Maric (for big O), Arnott (for White), Edwards (for McGuane/Nahas) and Newman (for Dea).
Can't agree with bringing in A Edwards for Nahas, McGuane yes but not Nahas. Like for like mean you'd go A Edwards for Luke if he doesn't come up. Up until Sunday McGuane's been good so he deserve to keep his spot seeing we don't seem to drop blokes if the play a shocker ;D
White stays because he offered more in just over a qtr than Nahas offered for the entire game. Much better option as a defensive forward these days over Nahas, whose body language says "I want to be anywhere but here"
I'd bring in Arnot because he is a tough nut and as we saw on Saturday the Bombers don't like it tough & rough ;D
Good points, particularly your last point and an area we could really focus on, King, Flos, Arnott and Morris could help out here. If Petterd and Grimes can get up then they may go in....When I went to the Dreamtime game last year Ryder really hurt us drifting forward, we need to stop him, so we need a player that can cover him off, Grimes could do that when he drifts down. I would like to see Vickery run with Ryder all night, make Vicks work!!!
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Ricky Petterd (calf) and Dylan Grimes (foot) will be tested later this week, but Hardwick hinted their respective injury histories would likely play a part in their availability.
"We'll bide our time on those guys and make sure they come back right.''
Reece Conca (foot) is unlikely to return until after Richmond's bye in Round 11, but Hardwick said former Bomber Sam Lonergan and ex-Roo Aaron Edwards were both in consideration.
"They are thereabouts ... so we've certainly got some options, which is great.
"That's what good footy sides do, they have depth. And that's the one thing we've certainly added this year which is fantastic.''
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-ruckman-ivan-maric-to-return-for-dreamtime-clash-against-essendon/story-fndv8t7m-1226647515306
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RFC web-site saying Petterd wont be back until after the mid season break
And Conca is coming along well
See:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-05-21/grimes-foot-setback
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Bad luck for Grimsey, I still think that Conca is weeks away.
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I would bring in Astbury particularly in light of 'the aggravation of the injury to Grimes. I would keep Batchelor in the team. Batchelor should not be playing on a key position forward. I would keep Grigg in the team. I can see why Grigg frustrates many supporters-he runs at the one pace, doesn't chase, not good at spoiling and coughs up possession with some crap handpassing but having said that he does have some good attributes such as finding space and is good at short passing. He is a classic receiver and there is no point expecting him to change. It is like Jackson no matter how crap he plays he always gets a game. Nahas is not playing well and must be close to being dropped. McGuane didn't play well against Port or Melbourne but apparently Edwards played poorly against Werribee so maybe McGuane will survive. Would consider bringing in Griffiths
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For me the biggest problem we have is kicking a winning score against decent opposition.
Most here can pick our backline and it doesn't change much.
We have a great midfield that gives us plenty of inside 50's, but we cannot seem to be able to benefit from it. And it's been happening for awhile now.
We need to try something new, kicking 13 goals against a Geelong or Hawthorn or even an Essendon isn't enough to win you those games, especially with the way sides can score against our young developing backline. What we have been doing simply isn't working.
I hear people talk about 'like for like' or 'keeping our structures', which in our case isn't working. Replacing Nahas with White just isn't enough to change things so we can kick 20 odd goals.
Why not go in this week with something like this, at the very least we would be less predictable.
McGuane Jack Dusty
King A. Edwards Vickory (and they all need to get some separation, which we fail to do most
weeks making it easy for opposing backman to help each other out)
At least with that forward 6 you know you'll get a massive contest. They are all big bodied and offer something different. With Cotch and Lids rotating with Dusty, and Maric rotating with Vickory.
They are all good tacklers and more importantly WANT to tackle.
They are all good marks of the footy
They are all good below their knees for biggish guys (King excluded) which opposition backman will find it hard to match.
Just remember, opposition teams will need to match up against US, let's make it hard for them to do so.
One last thing, the bigger the opposition backman they use to man up on our tall forwardline, the less run they get out of there backline as well.
Win, win for the RFC. :gotigers
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big tone essendon structure up every week down back with fletcher 198/93 , hooker 197/98 and carlisle 200/98 regardless of the opposition. usually if one is injured in comes pears.they stick to their structures regardless of the opposition. geelong collingwood in fact nearly all sides stick to their structures regardless of opposition.
in some ways we are not dissimilar chaplin 195/95, rance 193/96, grimes 192/88 but we regularly go with just two tall defenders. grimes gets hurt we bring in batchelor a medium sized plyer who should not be playing on key forwards.
if we talk quality and effectiveness id take all three of essendons tall defenders over ours.
plus our backline is not that young apart from maybe two.
morris is 24 - chaplin 27 - grimes 22
houli 25 - rance 23 - batchelor 21/newman 31/ dea 21 plus ellis vlastuin a couple of kids. imo we are desperately searching for a kpd still.
atm im looking at a backline of
morris - chaplin grimes
dea - astbury - mcintosh when ready.
the biggest problem remains skills and decision making but people dont want to acknowledge these things because it means favorite players have to go. another problem is those in specific roles ie kpf dont do the job that the role requires.
our mids make far too many skill errors and decion errors, our forwards lack the skills and smarts to capitalise on the many forward entries we generate and our backs make far too many elementry errors and thus leake like sieves.
finally i would have thought jack vickery and mcguane have been the mainstay tall forwards all yr i would have thought king a mainstay forward and martin a mid who has spent considerable time forward as part of rotations.
if you want to change it play two permanent KPFS RIEWOLDT AND ONE OF ELTON/ASTBURY/GRIFFITHS.
Play vickery as a bloody ruckman who goes forward.
people are kidding themselves if they think mcguane and vickery can play as permanent key forwards. mcguane plays third tall who is there because he gives a contest and can apply some sort of defensive pressure.he is never going to convert opportunities because of his skillset.jake king is the same hes there because he provides pressure but kills us when we need a bit polish to convert the many entries we generate. nahas and white are geezus nothing but hacks. hacks have always been hacks. the sad thing is mcguane has outperformed a lot of the forwards and king shows em all up for intensity therin lies our problem.
we need 3 genuine tall forwards we need a classy mobile medium forward who can take a mark and we need a couple of sml/med forwards who have some freakin skills.
i agree some one like a edwards a bloddy medium sized player who takes a mark should be getting a game. but what happens if we drop mcguane for edwards id say dustin fletchers job just got easier going from playing on a genuine tall at least to a 184cm medium.
ffs two permanent genuine kpfs, 1 resting ruck/for and then your mediums and smls.
how freakin blind are we.
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Doesn't look like we need anyone to cover Nathan Lovett-Murray if he was going to play.
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Doesn't look like we need anyone to cover Nathan Lovett-Murray if he was going to play.
Believe he was Smokey, that's what the AGE is reporting
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Doesn't look like we need anyone to cover Nathan Lovett-Murray if he was going to play.
Just read that myself..