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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on May 22, 2013, 03:12:50 AM
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Richmond have had plenty of recruiting mistakes but they are the butt of all jokes no more
Mark Robinson
From: Herald Sun
May 21, 2013 9:11PM
RICHMOND'S recruiting was the butt of all jokes.
Picking Aaron Fiora before Matthew Pavlich and Richard Tambling before Lance Franklin is the case for the prosecution.
The Tigers had no defence.
Now, the mocking has stopped.
It is the Tigers who are laughing after the performances of Brandon Ellis and Nick Vlastuin in recent weeks, and the improved consistency of Dustin Martin this season.
They are three of Richmond's bevy of first-round draft selections.
It hasn't always been so.
Season 2004 delivered Brett Deledio and a set of kitchen knives and season 2005 landed Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls off a video viewing, Nathan Foley off the rookie list and a set of forks to complement the knives.
If only utensils could play midfield.
Clearly, the Tigers' recruiting has been exemplary since those dark days.
Their first-round selections from 2006 to 2012 - Jack Riewoldt, Trent Cotchin, Tyrone Vickery, Martin, Reece Conca, Ellis and Vlastuin - are all starting 22 players. There are some busts below those selections, but their trading has delivered big time.
The two major junctures in Richmond's recent history were the appointment of Francis Jackson as full-time recruiting manager for the 2006 season, and a savage injection of funds into the football department at the end of 2009.
Can you believe Jackson was in charge of recruiting in 2005, while still working full-time at Brighton Grammar?
Former head of football Craig Cameron shakes his head in disbelief.
"He has been outstanding, Francis, with what he has done," Cameron says.
"Just read his first-round picks. He hasn't missed a first-round pick since 2006."
Equally as important was the saving of $1 million-plus at the end of 2009, of which most was injected into recruiting and development.
The million bucks was banked when Matthew Richardson, Kane Johnson, Joel Bowden, Nathan Brown, Kayne Pettifer and Graham Polak retired, and Jay Schulz and Andrew Raines were traded.
The Tigers went from paying 99 per cent of the salary cap to just 92.5 per cent.
Then came the Fighting Tiger Fund, a debt reduction of $4 million and even more money dedicated to improvement.
The funds were ploughed into footy.
The recruiters chose kids in the draft, and management brought in brains for the footy department.
Blair Hartley was appointed list analyst and David Newett and Tim Clarke development coaches.
Greg Mellor and Tim Livingstone followed them and Port Adelaide premiership coach Mark Williams joined the club this season.
Cameron was head of football from 2008 to the start of this year and says the club clearly is heading in the right direction.
When he started, Richmond was ranked in the bottom four for footy department expenditure.
"When that happens you make mistakes because you can't get the coverage - not because the people there were doing a bad job, it's just that you don't have the coverage of a Collingwood, or West Coast or even Geelong," Cameron says.
"But when you're getting a kid (Ellis) who's a second-year player getting 39 touches in a game, the club's going in the right direction.
"And Vlastuin comes in for his second or third game and looks like a natural.
"Francis deserves a lot of credit."
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-have-had-plenty-of-recruiting-mistakes-but-they-are-the-butt-of-all-jokes-no-more/story-fndv8t7m-1226647921166#mm-breached
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FJ is rubbish. :shh
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Robbo with his annual feel good Richmond article before the Dreamtime game
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Robbo with his annual feel good Richmond article before the Dreamtime game
doesnt he make you sick?
big write up of us then a few pages away he talks up doing for Hirdy against all odds this weekend.
hey Robbo the hut we dont need your feel good hidden agenda stories, get lost
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Robbo with his annual feel good Richmond article before the Dreamtime game
doesnt he make you sick?
big write up of us then a few pages away he talks up doing for Hirdy against all odds this weekend.
hey Robbo the hut we dont need your feel good hidden agenda stories, get lost
"Backs against the wall" !!!!
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Robbo with his annual feel good Richmond article before the Dreamtime game
doesnt he make you sick?
big write up of us then a few pages away he talks up doing for Hirdy against all odds this weekend.
hey Robbo the hut we dont need your feel good hidden agenda stories, get lost
He wasnt counting on todays news lol.
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Yes 'Backs against the wall...or you could get a knife in it' - the real Essendon motivation message. :shh
Regardless of his motivation for writing the article, it is factual. We have recruited and, more importantly, developed our players well in recent years. I think we have built up a good foundation as a result are beginning to build up a strong team. The difference between us and the likes of Geelong and Collingwood is that we are developing our core/structure players while they already have these players and are now developing their peripheral/depth players. This is why any new players to debut in their sides always seems like a ready made player because they have the support of a strong developed structure/players around them.
I think we are getting there and with Ellis, Vlaustin, Conca, Martin, Vickery, Jack and Cotchin all recent draftees who are all just starting out in their careers, we have a lot to look forward to. :gotigers
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Yes 'Backs against the wall...or you could get a knife in it' - the real Essendon motivation message. :shh
Regardless of his motivation for writing the article, it is factual. We have recruited and, more importantly, developed our players well in recent years. I think we have built up a good foundation as a result are beginning to build up a strong team. The difference between us and the likes of Geelong and Collingwood is that we are developing our core/structure players while they already have these players and are now developing their peripheral/depth players. This is why any new players to debut in their sides always seems like a ready made player because they have the support of a strong developed structure/players around them.
I think we are getting there and with Ellis, Vlaustin, Conca, Martin, Vickery, Jack and Cotchin all recent draftees who are all just starting out in their careers, we have a lot to look forward to. :gotigers
Agree stripes, thought it was a pretty accurate article about our recruiting over the last 10 odd years
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Do we have any A or B graders that FJ has picked up after the first round of the draft?
Oh and every club in the comp passed on Pav :shh
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Do we have any A or B graders that FJ has picked up after the first round of the draft?
**crickets** :whistle
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Do we have any A or B graders that FJ has picked up after the first round of the draft?
**crickets** :whistle
Just saw a tumbleweed pa, ah heh :lol
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Do we have any A or B graders that FJ has picked up after the first round of the draft?
**crickets** :whistle
Grimes Pick 2 PSD, Batchelor Pick 30, Houli PSD, Rance Pick 18. No world beaters but I would at B graders at least. :)
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Do we have any A or B graders that FJ has picked up after the first round of the draft?
Oh and every club in the comp passed on Pav :shh
Was going to say Nahas as rookie pick
But that's a bad example right at the minute ;D
Gone from a B- to C- in 2013
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Do we have any A or B graders that FJ has picked up after the first round of the draft?
**crickets** :whistle
Grimes Pick 2 PSD, Batchelor Pick 30, Houli PSD, Rance Pick 18. No world beaters but I would at B graders at least. :)
• Grimesy would be a B Grader if he could stay on the park
• Batchelor is a C Grader
• Houli was a Blair Hartley pick
• Rancer, well, he's had a poor year and dropped in a lot of people's estimations, C Grade at the minute, but has been B Grade in the past
is that all that people could come up with over 6 years?
sheesh FJ :-X
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Grimes is the only B grader there. If Batch is B grade then we should be top 4 as he has been arse lately. Houli C grade. Rance B- at best
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Do we have any A or B graders that FJ has picked up after the first round of the draft?
**crickets** :whistle
Grimes Pick 2 PSD, Batchelor Pick 30, Houli PSD, Rance Pick 18. No world beaters but I would at B graders at least. :)
• Grimesy would be a B Grader if he could stay on the park
• Batchelor is a C Grader
• Houli was a Blair Hartley pick
• Rancer, well, he's had a poor year and dropped in a lot of people's estimations, C Grade at the minute, but has been B Grade in the past
is that all that people could come up with over 6 years?
sheesh FJ :-X
Most clubs would be the same gerks though. Rance, Grimes and Houli would all be B graders over their career I would suggest. Batch is still developing so C grade at present I agree.
Do you know of any other clubs that over the last 5 or so years have more players who are 2nd round plus players that are B or C? Genuine question.
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The last few years of compromised drafts has meant round 2 was really round 3 or 4. I'm not surprised there have been so few.
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Robbo will be the butt of butt hurt if we win
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Do we have any A or B graders that FJ has picked up after the first round of the draft?
**crickets** :whistle
Grimes Pick 2 PSD, Batchelor Pick 30, Houli PSD, Rance Pick 18. No world beaters but I would at B graders at least. :)
• Grimesy would be a B Grader if he could stay on the park
• Batchelor is a C Grader
• Houli was a Blair Hartley pick
• Rancer, well, he's had a poor year and dropped in a lot of people's estimations, C Grade at the minute, but has been B Grade in the past
is that all that people could come up with over 6 years?
sheesh FJ :-X
Most clubs would be the same gerks though. Rance, Grimes and Houli would all be B graders over their career I would suggest. Batch is still developing so C grade at present I agree.
Do you know of any other clubs that over the last 5 or so years have more players who are 2nd round plus players that are B or C? Genuine question.
Cats:
G. Horlin-Smith 2nd round
N. Vardy. 3rd round
A. Christensen 3rd round
M. Duncan 2nd round
T. Hunt 3rd round
S. Motlop 3rd round
Just to name a few. :thumbsup
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Pies:
A. Fasolo 3rd round
D. Beams 2nd round
P. Seedsman 4th round
J. Blair 5th round.
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Fair call on Geelong and the Pies. Speaks volumes about their development as much as their recruitment though. That's why they have been as consistent on field as they have been and for so long.
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Fair call on Geelong and the Pies. Speaks volumes about their development as much as their recruitment though. That's why they have been as consistent on field as they have been and for so long.
Stop making sense masses like a snipe