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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on May 22, 2013, 05:14:07 PM
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VFL ROUND 7
Port Melbourne (4-1-1, 2nd) vs Coburg Tigers (2-4, 12th)
Saturday, 25th May @ North Port Oval, Port Melbourne.
Development: 10:00am
Seniors: 1:10pm
Broadcast:
TV: Live on ABC1 (Victoria) from 1:00pm
Replay ABC1 (Nationally) on Wednesday May 29, 2:30am - 5:30am.
Internet: Replay ABC iView - http://www.abc.net.au/iview/#/sport
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Coburg seniors squad:
B: Astbury Groves Iudica
HB: Darrou Elton Nahas
C: McIntosh McDonough Clifton
HF: McBean Dea Arnot
F: A.Edwards Stephenson Helbig
R: Derickx Lonergan Grgic
Int: Abdallah, Keogh*, Venditti, Carnell, N.Maric, Simon, Robertella, Griffiths, Verrier
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Coburg seniors squad:
Int: ....... Griffiths,
There is something seriously going wrong here - whether its Griff-based or club-based - its not a good look.
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Smokey I would imagine griff wont start on the bench,but seriously you should go and watch Coburg play,the kid cant get near the pill of late.
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Coburg seniors squad:
Int: ....... Griffiths,
There is something seriously going wrong here - whether its Griff-based or club-based - its not a good look.
This is worse news than Cotchin giving it away in 3 years and Grimes out for the season put together.
I'm shocked and appalled.
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Smokey I would imagine griff wont start on the bench,but seriously you should go and watch Coburg play,the kid cant get near the pill of late.
of late? :shh :whistle
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Loners :shh
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Prepared for a reaming. Bought some lube for the boys. I'll drop it down at Coburg tomorrow after work.
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Smokey I would imagine griff wont start on the bench,but seriously you should go and watch Coburg play,the kid cant get near the pill of late.
Yeah, that's what I suspected G. Makes you wonder what's gone wrong in his head to have fallen so far in a short space of time. He has plenty of ability, no injuries that I'm aware of but seems to be going backwards at a rate of knots. Anyone on here know him well enough to say whether it might be ego-driven - Ben not happy being dropped to the 'Burgers and is just sulking?
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I don't recall any games at Coburg where it's been said he stood out. There certainly hasn't been one for Richmond where he's done anything out of the ordinary. He was a decent junior footballer who missed a a lot of time with injury. Right now it looks like he's just a poo recruit. The only reason people rate him is because he can kick 60 metres and also move well for a tall fella. Other than that he's done FA and never has. I doubt anyone would be giving it to Tigermonk if he were still posting, he's been on the money with a lot of his comments over the years
This will come across as negative but it's the truth. He may still make a good AFL footballer but we haven't seen much
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Will watch to see Simon
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The McBean show before Dreamtime.
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No Aaron Edwards and I think also no Nahas?
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Astbury starting well.
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Dea kicks it out straight to a Port player 25m out :P.
All Port so far. Coburg hasn't got past the centre line.
Cob 0
Port 8
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Port should be far more ahead by now. It's like they have 6 more players on the ground than us.
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Haven't seen Arnot, Griffiths, Edwards, Nahas, Derickx at all.
Only seen Astbury, Dea, Darrou, Verrier, McIntosh, McBean, Stephenson, McDonough, Simon
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WTF. Everywhere that the ball goes, Port outnumber us 3:1.
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I don't recall any games at Coburg where it's been said he stood out. There certainly hasn't been one for Richmond where he's done anything out of the ordinary. He was a decent junior footballer who missed a a lot of time with injury. Right now it looks like he's just a poo recruit. The only reason people rate him is because he can kick 60 metres and also move well for a tall fella. Other than that he's done FA and never has. I doubt anyone would be giving it to Tigermonk if he were still posting, he's been on the money with a lot of his comments over the years
This will come across as negative but it's the truth. He may still make a good AFL footballer but we haven't seen much
Where is Butcher at?
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This is rubbish
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Nahas not playing?
If not is he in for Eliis
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Nahas not playing?
If not is he in for Eliis
Neither is Edwards
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Astbury and McDonough have been our only good players.
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Nahas not playing?
If not is he in for Eliis
Neither is Edwards
WP might be right Mc Gun could be out also..
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Arnot, Griffs and Derickx (gave away a clumsy free that lead to Port's last goal) are out there.
Cob 0
Port 23
Coburg don't look like scoring.
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Luckily that ball was half-smothered. It would've gone straight to a Port Melbourne defender if it wasn't. :lol
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Poor efforts by helbig and Griffs there. Didn't attack the footy and waited for the Port players to grab possession.
Anyway we finally get a goal to Arnot.
Cob 6
Port 23
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Griffs now playing full forward and marks 35m out on the lead from Maric's kick. OOTF :P.
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Lucky the siren blew.
Coburg 1.0-6
Port Melb. 3.5-23
Goal: Arnot.
Embarrassing. Lucky Port wasted their chances. They should be 6-7 goals in front.
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Possies:
Darrou 9 touches according to Ayres. He's playing full back mind you and getting those possies close to defensive goal.
Derickx 4
Griffiths, Astbury, Helbig, McDonough, Arnot 3 each.
Really only Astbury can hold his head up.
Inside 50s: 8 - 16 ...... looked worse than that. Mind you most of the kicks into Coburg's forward 50 went in when there were no Coburg forwards in sight and straight to 3 waiting Port defenders.
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Who wasn't on the line to shepherd the ball through for a goal? Dumb dumb footy ::)
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Arnot kicks it into the man on the mark in the centre and the turnover gifts Port a goal.
Intensity has lifted this qtr but too many dumb basic schoolboy errors from Coburg.
Cob 7
Port 30
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Good tackle from Burger Abdallah on forward 50 and McBean dribbles through a goal.
Cob 12
Port 31
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Thought McBean had enough of that then to be paid the mark. His snap is for a point.
Arnot apart from two poor kicks has had a heap of it this qtr.
Port however go coast to coast to kick a goal.
Cob 14
Port 37
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Coburg actually get a centre clearance and Big O marks 45m out. Ball doesn't make the distance but Mcbean marks on the line. He gets his 2nd :gotigers
Cob 20
Port 43
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McIntosh long out of the centre and Griffiths juggles the one-handed mark on the boundary. Pushes it across the face OOTF :-\.
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Coburg tried to turn it over at times in the backline but in the end it was a good passage of play from deep in defence to Nick Maric on the lead 35m out. Goal.
Cob 26
Port 43
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Dea showed courage going back with the flight but it was a poor attempt at the mark in defence. Results in a Port goal.
26 - 49
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Half-time
Coburg 1.0 4.2-26
Port Melb. 3.5 7.8-50
Goals: McBean 2, Arnot, N.Maric
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Although not that much in it at half time,i have to say I have never seen a side turn the ball over as much as Coburg did that half.it was almost keystone cops stuff.
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Verrier looks a goer.... but he turns it over almost all the time!!
Good signs from the 3 newest draftees, Dea has been solid, as has Astbury.
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Possies:
Arnot 11 ..... 8k 3h 6m 1g
McDonough 9 .... 6k 3h
Astbury 8 .... 8k
Helbig 8 ....... 7k 1h
Dea 7 ........... 6k 1h
Griffiths 6 ...... 5k 1h
Mcbean 5 ....... 5k 2m 2g
Still making dumb decision making and poor skill errors (Port are too) but much better intensity in the midfield from Coburg that 2nd qtr. At least it was a competitive qtr.
Astbury is best for Coburg. Very solid game in defence.
McBean is the only Coburg tall forward who looks dangerous. If he had a midfield with good skills in front of him he would tear oppositions apart even now as a skinny beanpole.
Arnot was the busiest mid winning plenty of footy. Made two poor kicks though which is what he needs to get out of his game before pushing up to AFL level.
McDonough is one that looks like he has what it takes to make the jump to AFL level. Made a couple of poor turnovers today though.
Darrou doing okay in defence on a bigger forward opponent.
Big O has been beaten in the ruck today for mine. A bit better that qtr but needs to do more.
Dea - I don't see making it. Your heart is in your mouth everytime he has the ball. Likes to always play on after a mark without knowing what he is going to do with it next which often gets himself into trouble.
Griffiths - needs to do more. Had to kick at least one of the two shots.
Verrier - see wayne's comment.
McIntosh has hardly been sighted.
Simon - doing a lot of chasing but I don't remember if he's got a possession yet.
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Forgot to mention Derickx because he's hardly been sighted. He won't been at Punt Rd in 2014.
Elton has been quiet as well.
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I don't recall any games at Coburg where it's been said he stood out. There certainly hasn't been one for Richmond where he's done anything out of the ordinary. He was a decent junior footballer who missed a a lot of time with injury. Right now it looks like he's just a poo recruit. The only reason people rate him is because he can kick 60 metres and also move well for a tall fella. Other than that he's done FA and never has. I doubt anyone would be giving it to Tigermonk if he were still posting, he's been on the money with a lot of his comments over the years
This will come across as negative but it's the truth. He may still make a good AFL footballer but we haven't seen much
Where is Butcher at?
Dropped a U14s chest mark and shanked the follow-up. 3 touches and 1 mark with half time fast approaching. :lol
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Just shanked it OOTF from 35m, too. :lol :rollin
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McBean No.3 :gotigers
Cob 32
Port 52
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Tiger monk gets it right everytime then
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That free against Clifton was one of those into the legs that wasn't paid but that can go the other way at AFL level.
Most of the Burger players aren't VFL standard. Good luck to them next year as they are going to need it.
Port with the last 4 goals and it's game over.
Cob 32
Port 76
18 mins Q3
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Dea centres to Helbig who passes inside 50 to Maric. Goal.
Cob 39
Port 76
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And that's why Dea is playing at Coburg. No awareness.
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McBean marks in the pocket on the siren. Point.
3/4 time
Coburg 1.0 4.2 6.4-40
Port Melb. 3.5 7.8 11.11-77
Goals: McBean 3, Maric 2, Arnot
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Possies:
McDonough 16 .....11k 5h
Arnot 14 ..... 9k 5h
Helbig 14 ..... 13k 1h
Dea 13 ....... 10k 3h
Darrou 12 .... 10k 2h
McBean 8 ....... 8k 3g
Astbury 9 ...... 9k
Port are winning the contested ball by 12 each qtr. Tim Clarke said that's where we are losing the game. They also had 15 more loose ball gets that qtr.
Tim Clarke going for the win despite being 37 pts down. No spare man in defence. Wants Coburg to win the contested ball.
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Another schoolboy error. Arnot goes the bump (misses the Port player) rather than the tackle.
41 - 83
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Arnot is prone to do stupid things.
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Griffs no left foot. Gathers and instead of having a open shot on his left, he stops and props and then handballs long right to the line and McBean can't keep it in and fumbles it over for a point.
42 - 84
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Griffs does well crashing the pack outnumbered. McDonough crumbs and goals.
Cob 48
Port 86
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the coach should be on notice after this loss, where the hell are Port Melb on the ladder :huh
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to me its quite simple..Port work their arses off .They run and back each other up..Our boys are lazy
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McDonough is off with a jarred knee.
56 - 106
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to me its quite simple..Port work their arses off .They run and back each other up..Our boys are lazy
It's coburgitis. Worse than tigeritis ever was but not as bad as demonitis.
The sooner we have our own reserves the better.
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to me its quite simple..Port work their arses off .They run and back each other up..Our boys are lazy
Too many poorly skilled players as well running around for Coburg. Players under no pressure who can't hit open targets by foot 20m away or handball to teammates feet or to the wrong option.
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I know Verrier stuffed up then but surely you have to tackle a bloke legally?
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Final Score
Coburg 1.0 4.2 6.4 8.9-57
Port Melb. 3.5 7.8 11.11 16.16-112
Goals: McBean 3, Maric 3, Arnot, McDonough
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Possies:
Arnot 24 ...... 17k 7h
Helbig 24 ........ 20k 4h
McDonough 18 ........ 12k 6h
Dea, Darrou would also be in the top possession getters.
McBean was the most dangerous looking forward for Coburg with 3 goals.
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2013 Peter Jackson VFL
Port Melbourne 3.5 7.8 11.11 16.16 (112)
Coburg Tigers 1.0 4.2 6.4 8.9 (57)
GOALS:
Port Melbourne: Bonaddio 3 Galea 2 Cain 2 O'Sullivan 2 Scipione 2 Mascitti Gale Rowe Dillon Langford
Coburg Tigers: McBean 3 Maric 3 Arnot McDONOUGH
BEST:
Port Melbourne: Baird Cain Pleming Gordon Wooffindin Noonan
Coburg Tigers: McDONOUGH Arnot Elton Dea Verrier McBean
https://reg.sportingpulse.com/olr_v5/rpt_progressive.cgi?aID=4138&pg=1&a=MR
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Back line prospects - Elton, McIntosh and Darrou
Mids - McDonough, Helbig? Arnot?
Forwards - McBean, Griff?
Others on the RFC list I don't rate.
The cupboard looks pretty bare imo
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Griffiths???
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The VFL site must have been watching a different game if Verrier and Elton are in their bests.
Best today for mine as far as progressing to AFL level in the upcoming years were McBean and McDonough.
Astbury - solid in defence and was good in the first half. Quieter and hardly sighted in the second half.
Arnot - from quarter time got plenty of it but he still makes too many schoolboy errors.
Helbig - had little impact despite having 24 possies as well. You wouldn't promote him to the Richmond side based on today. He would've picked up most of those disposals in the second half too as I didn't notice him too much in the first half.
Dea - his good is good but his bad is shocking and goal costing. Sadly he often combines the two standards in the one play (ie. a strong intercept defensive mark followed by a playing on to eagerly and getting himself into trouble which results in a turnover).
Big O - disappointing day. No impact.
Elton - Strong hands at times but overall had little rebound impact and was beaten by Galea.
McIntosh - ordinary and would have been lucky ot reach double figures in possies.
Darrou - tried hard all day but I still don't see him as a key defender at AFL level.
Griffiths - that crash of the back in the last qtr is what he needs to do regularly. Just doesn't do enough to play to what strengths he has.
Verrier - still a work in progress project type.
Derickx - won't be at Tigerland next year.
Simon - didn't touch the ball all day. All he did all day was chase tail. I don't see him lasting on our rookie list beyond this year either.
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I don't recall any games at Coburg where it's been said he stood out. There certainly hasn't been one for Richmond where he's done anything out of the ordinary. He was a decent junior footballer who missed a a lot of time with injury. Right now it looks like he's just a poo recruit. The only reason people rate him is because he can kick 60 metres and also move well for a tall fella. Other than that he's done FA and never has. I doubt anyone would be giving it to Tigermonk if he were still posting, he's been on the money with a lot of his comments over the years
This will come across as negative but it's the truth. He may still make a good AFL footballer but we haven't seen much
Where is Butcher at?
Watched a bit of The port v Geelong game today and butcher is back in the first grade side after a long lay off.
Looks fatter than Hurley
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It's coburgitis. Worse than tigeritis ever was but not as bad as demonitis.
The sooner we have our own reserves the better.
And next year will be worse.
We don't have any administration for setting up a reserves team.
When it comes to recruiting VFL players Richmond will, as usual, be so far behind that we will fill out the team with all the leftovers.
Also as usual, Richmond supporters will blame the players and coaches for poor team results rather than the administration who set it up.
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wish to hell theyd play elton in the forward line and dissapointing to hear about simon, boy he came with some wraps as one of the best mids to come out of PNG, so much for that ::)
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Cut him some slack BJ. If anyone on our list deserves some slack its him.
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It's coburgitis. Worse than tigeritis ever was but not as bad as demonitis.
The sooner we have our own reserves the better.
And next year will be worse.
We don't have any administration for setting up a reserves team.
When it comes to recruiting VFL players Richmond will, as usual, be so far behind that we will fill out the team with all the leftovers.
Also as usual, Richmond supporters will blame the players and coaches for poor team results rather than the administration who set it up.
Rubbish!!!!!!!
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It's coburgitis. Worse than tigeritis ever was but not as bad as demonitis.
The sooner we have our own reserves the better.
And next year will be worse.
We don't have any administration for setting up a reserves team.
When it comes to recruiting VFL players Richmond will, as usual, be so far behind that we will fill out the team with all the leftovers.
Also as usual, Richmond supporters will blame the players and coaches for poor team results rather than the administration who set it up.
Rubbish!!!!!!!
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VIDEO: Coburg 'highlights'
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-05-27/coburg-highlights-round-7
Here's also the full match replay from ABC iView:
http://www.abc.net.au/iview/#/view/39025
Leading stat getters:
Arnot 24 17k 7h 7m 1g 2b
Helbig 24 20k 4h 8m
McDonough 18 12k 6h 5m 1g
Darrou 17 14k 3h 4m
Dea 16 12k 4h 7m 1b
Clifton 12 9k 3h 6m
N.Maric 11 10k 1h 5m 3g 1b
McBean 10 9k 1h 6m 3g 2b
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Despite the mistakes he makes, Arnot would be worth giving a shot at AFL while Tucky is out of the side. Always goes hard at the ball and opposition :pray
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Despite the mistakes he makes, Arnot would be worth giving a shot at AFL while Tucky is out of the side. Always goes hard at the ball and opposition :pray
Not really. Bumps and misses when he should bloody tackle.
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MATCH REPORT vs Port Melbourne (Round 7)
Coburg Tigers website
Coburg visited ladder leaders Port Melbourne on the weekend, and suffered a 55 point loss in what was their captain John Baird's 175th match.
Coburg went in to the game without key players Robin Nahas and Aaron Edwards who were named as emergencies for Richmond in the AFL, and this lack of quality showed in the first quarter. Port Melbourne controlled the ball for much of the term, and after a few goals in a row looked like they were going to steal the game away from Coburg early. To the Tigers credit though, some well applied defensive pressure kept Port Melbourne to just 3 goals and the score for the quarter was 3.5.23 to 1.0.6, Port unable to capitalise on a vast majority of posession.
The second quarter showed a very similar story, with Port controlling a lot of the ball in the midfield. Coburg managed to get their hands on it more often however, and got some forward 50 entries through the midfield group, with McBean looking dangerous once again and taking advantage by kicking 2 goals for the term. Port kicked 4 goals to 3 for the quarter and went in to half time 7.8.50 to 4.2.26 - 24 points ahead, with Coburg just hanging on.
The game opened up in the second half, something that was to Coburg's disadvantage. The positive for them in the first half was the strong pressure and resilience in defence, managing to slow Port's scoring and the pace of the game. In the third quarter however, the game was played on Port's terms as they started to take more of their chances in the forward line, mostly due to quicker and more accurate delivery from their midfielders. Port ended the term with another 4 goals to Coburg's 2, McBean adding another to take his tally to 3 for the day. The score going in to the last change was 11.11.77 to 6.4.40.
Port continued where they left off in the final quarter, dominating the ball through the middle, and continuously peppering the Tiger's defence. It could be seen that the fight to stay in the contest all day had taken it's toll on the Coburg players, as a bit of life went out of the match due to fatigue. Port were playing in a milestone match for their captain however, so didn't slow down and continued to apply pressure on the scoreboard. They added 5 more goals in total, to Coburg's 2, to make the final margin 55 points.
Some positives for Coburg included the continued form of Liam McBean who kicked another 3 goals to take his season tally to 17, as well as taking a handfull of strong grabs. Zac Keogh also put in a strong performance after spending most of his season in the development squad, a positive sign showing that some youngsters are coming through. Arnot and McDonough put in strong performances once again, and Nick Maric looked dangerous whenever he got near the ball, kicking 3 goals including one miraculous effort from the pocket.
Port Melbourne 16.16.112
Coburg 8.9.57
GOALS: McBean, Maric 3, Arnot, McDonough 1
BEST: McBean, Verrier, Dea, Elton, Arnot, McDonough
http://www.sportingpulse.com/club_info.cgi?client=1-118-10471-0-18717695&sID=56260&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=23807420
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Beaner weaner coming along nicely :clapping
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No wonder we lost, it was another milestone match!
175 games as captain for Baird :clapping :huh
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Coburg coach Tim Clarke's summary of how the Richmond-listed players performed on Saturday:
David Astbury
Was really good for three quarters in defence, playing on a range of opposition ‘talls’ and ‘smalls’. Used the ball better than in previous weeks.
Matt Arnot
Had a solid game offensively, generating a lot of run and carry for the team. Picked up 27 disposals and had a couple of shots for goal. Needs to do more defensively, however.
Ben Darrou
Produced another good performance in defence, on a quality opponent in Bonaddio. Had only two goals kicked on him and gathered 28 possessions. Continues to show solid improvement.
Matt Dea
Played a good game off half-back, picking up 28 touches and taking some really good chop-out marks. Was great to have his run back in the team.
Tom Derickx
Battled hard in the ruck, and competed well in contests around the round. But needs to get to more contests, to create more opportunities for the team.
Todd Elton
Had his best game in defence, playing on a dangerous opponent in Galea. Battled well right throughout the match. His defensive starting positions were much better this time.
Ben Griffiths
Spent the majority of the game in the forward line, with occasional stints down back. Created some really good contests and had two scoring opportunities, but kicked poorly.
Brad Helbig
Worked well offensively, racking up 31 disposals. Was good around stoppages and contests, but needs to provide more defensively.
Liam McBean
Was again very dangerous up forward. Presented well at marking contests, and his ground-level work also was good. Hit the scoreboard with three goals in another really impressive display.
Matt McDonough
Played a really solid game, starting forward and then moving into the midfield. Had 25 touches and used the ball extremely well. Stoppage and contested work again were features of his performance.
Kamdyn McIntosh
Started on a wing, but was moved on to a quality opponent in John Baird after half-time in a run-with role. Did a good job in negating his influence, while also learning from the experience.
Gideon Simon
Struggled up forward, but still managed to apply some pressure when the opposition had the ball.
Orren Stephenson
Showed some glimpses of his ability in the ruck, but was below his usual high standard.
Steve Verrier
Played a really good game on the opposition’s small forwards. Was tight defensively and provided good run and carry, but needs to use the ball better.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-05-27/the-coburg-report-round-7
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reading Tim clarkes summary sounds like we belted them
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reading Tim clarkes summary sounds like we belted them
I was thinking the same thing reading it!