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Star forward Jack Riewoldt on Fremantle's radar
Kim Hagdorn
From: The Sunday Times
July 14, 2013
FREMANTLE has joined the race to sign Richmond forward Jack Riewoldt.
The dual Coleman medallist is in the Dockers' sights to fill the void left by power forward Matthew Pavlich when he retires.
After failed bids to secure forwards Mitch Clark from Brisbane two seasons ago and Travis Cloke from Collingwood last year with multi-million dollar deals, it is understood Fremantle will escalate its bid for Riewoldt if he leaves the Tigers.
But Riewoldt is not a free agent and if he wanted to depart Richmond, an acceptable trade deal would need to be negotiated. He has played 127 senior games and booted just over 300 goals since his debut in 2007, but has often been lambasted for his petulant behaviour and unacceptable on-field antics towards Tiger teammates.
The Dockers also made an early bid to lure Hawthorn superstar Lance Franklin back home to WA.
But Franklin, 26, looks destined for a switch to Greater Western Sydney on a record AFL financial package predicted to be in the region of $12 million over six years.
Dockers powerbrokers have continued a sweeping search for a power forward in their succession planning for the eventual loss of Pavlich.
Riewoldt, 24, is out of contract at the end of this season and has been locked in negotiations through his high-profile agent, Liam Pickering, who also handles Franklin's affairs.
Riewoldt, the reigning Coleman medallist with 65 goals last season, is asking in the region of $750,000 a year in a new deal. He could want even more to switch interstate.
He has set his high price on the back of Tigers first-year captain Trent Cotchin settling a deal in May at about $800,000 a season for the next two years.
It is understood the Tigers are at least $150,000 a year short of what their trump forward wants and is certain to attract at another club.
Freo's offer is enticing, at near his asking price and for four years and some top-end Dockers are believed to be willing to restructure their contracts to help entice the Tiger.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/star-stuff-riewoldt-on-fremantles-radar/story-fndv8h5w-1226678931587
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$600,000 sounds about right for Jack IMO, maybe $650k max. $750k no way, not on this year's form/attitude.
I doubt he'd go to Freo...
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Star forward Jack Riewoldt on Fremantle's radar
Kim Hagdorn
From: The Sunday Times
July 14, 2013
Not the most reliable source.
In any case why would a goalkicker like Jack go to a club that under Ross Lyon happily aims to win games by kicking just 10 goals and keeping the opposition to less.
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I'd give Jack 625k for 4 years. That's 2.5 mill. Plenty IMO.
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Has this numb skull seen quotes from Liam Pickering and Jack recently?
Also, Pickering has quoted that Buddy is pretty much staying at the Hawks.
This guy is a. Insert profanity here
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Star forward Jack Riewoldt on Fremantle's radar
Kim Hagdorn
From: The Sunday Times
July 14, 2013
Not the most reliable source.
Lol. I would venture to say without a doubt "the most unreliable source". This tool always writes WA puff pieces and never ever gets them right.
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Star forward Jack Riewoldt on Fremantle's radar
Kim Hagdorn
From: The Sunday Times
July 14, 2013
Not the most reliable source.
Lol. I would venture to say without a doubt "the most unreliable source". This tool always writes WA puff pieces and never ever gets them right.
Sounds familiar, like a poster on this forum
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Has this numb skull seen quotes from Liam Pickering and Jack recently?
Also, Pickering has quoted that Buddy is pretty much staying at the Hawks.
This guy is a. Insert profanity here
He also said that about Ablett. Franklin is GONE.
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I'd trade him.
Alternatively offer him 400-450k with performance based options, allowing him to
achieve 650k, albeit unlikely with his poo GEN-Y attitude.
As THE key forward who has at best a 50/50 success rate, it's clear where the team gains it's brooding mentality from.
He wants to be the big go-to man....so they work their arises off to get it to him...and he blows it.
He's a liability
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Gun key forwards don't grow on tress.
What's your solution? Mcgaune?
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If Jack leaves, he leaves ...
Will be very disappointing if Jack doesn't stay at Richmond ...
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Jack to GWS for Pick 1
Pick 1 and Shane Edwards (from SA) for Patrick Dangerfield. Adelaide are our mates. They'll do the deal.
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Gun key forwards don't grow on tress.
What's your solution? Mcgaune?
no but it's not Jack either
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Has this numb skull seen quotes from Liam Pickering and Jack recently?
Also, Pickering has quoted that Buddy is pretty much staying at the Hawks.
This guy is a. Insert profanity here
He also said that about Ablett. Franklin is GONE.
Unless this numb skull has some basis for the contrary view, it's the opinion of a insert profanity here.
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Gun key forwards don't grow on tress.
What's your solution? Mcgaune?
X2, I love the half wits that say to trade him, unreal, Collingwood would be stuffed without Cloke and we would be the same without Jack. So what he hasn't kicked bags of goals this year, well guess what, they don't want him doing that.
Just stupid to contemplate trading him.
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Freo would be least of my worries, there will be clubs alot closer to home interested in. A 2 x coleman medalist, alas he ll sign soon. There's generally a fair attraction to playing at the G most weeks n front of 60k crowds :shh
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If its a salary cap concern then the answer s simple.
Trade Grigg. free up 350k, use that on Dusty and Jack.
Failing that, i would dangle Jack to GWS
Cant remember who said it but players generally stalling contracts are ones that are playing regular finals.
This is the RFC Jack sign the thing or FO
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Jack to GWS for Pick 1
Pick 1 and Shane Edwards (from SA) for Patrick Dangerfield. Adelaide are our mates. They'll do the deal.
Not on your life Pope. If we got Pick 1 this year I wouldn't trade it for anyone.
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Gun key forwards don't grow on tress.
What's your solution? Mcgaune?
X2, I love the half wits that say to trade him, unreal, Collingwood would be stuffed without Cloke and we would be the same without Jack. So what he hasn't kicked bags of goals this year, well guess what, they don't want him doing that.
Just stupid to contemplate trading him.
Don't think its a kicking goals thing, more his attitude people aren't liking
BTW am I the only one shocked at Cotch taking $800,000 :gobdrop
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If he won't sign for less than what we are ultimately prepared to pay, it forces the clubs hand to seek a trade.
Doesn't matter if we contemplate trading him or not.
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BTW am I the only one shocked at Cotch taking $800,000 :gobdrop
Serious question
Are you shocked that we are supposedly paying him that much (ie over paying)?
Or shocked in that you think we've signed him up cheaper than market value?
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BTW am I the only one shocked at Cotch taking $800,000 :gobdrop
Serious question
Are you shocked that we are supposedly paying him that much (ie over paying)?
Or shocked in that you think we've signed him up cheaper than market value?
Over paying. Or more so getting about his market value and then crapping on about players needing to make sacrifices lol
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Rightful brown low winner
Not over paying
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BTW am I the only one shocked at Cotch taking $800,000 :gobdrop
Serious question
Are you shocked that we are supposedly paying him that much (ie over paying)?
Or shocked in that you think we've signed him up cheaper than market value?
Reckon that's just over what his worth at least at this stage of his career as he has only had half a year worth $800,000 but mainly I didn't think anyone would be on that sort of money with the club talking about sacrifices etc. Maybe I underestimate how much the minimum salary cap(about 95% isn't it?) actually equates to.
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Can't wait for Cotchin to ask for $1million+ and his own grandstand in 2 years :clapping
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Reckon that's just over what his worth at least at this stage of his career as he has only had half a year worth $800,000 but mainly I didn't think anyone would be on that sort of money with the club talking about sacrifices etc. Maybe I underestimate how much the minimum salary cap(about 95% isn't it?) actually equates to.
yeah the club must pay 95% of the salary cap which comes to$8.863mil
From: http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=18090.msg375533#msg375533
"Salary cap this season is $9.14mil and clubs must pay 95% of it = $8.863mil. "
If the number Cotch is supposedly getting is that high and I'm always weary of journos and their guessing I must say I am slightly miffed that it is that high, for the reason tigs2011 said, that is sprouting about players needing to make sacrifices to stay together and then not look like you've done it yourself. Doubt the Club asked him to take a cut ;D :rollin
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Or more so getting about his market value and then crapping on about players needing to make sacrifices lol
Absolutely.
Mt perfect is full of crap.
Hypocrite.
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And who would be better?
No one including Skunks supporters gave too much of a poo when the Cloke rumors were going around, I said all along they would be screwed without him and reckon they would be still and he plays as a true full forward.
Jack plays a more versatile role.
Yeah he needs to lift especially on the weekends efforts but in the big picture, well a lot here seem to have a woody for Jay so have included down to him below.
Gold Coast copied Norf and tried to stack the back half then run and carry, Frementle are the masters of this and we as a team have struggled with this tactic.
Reckon Hardwick will need to bite the bullet at some stage and send him to true full forward and force Freo to leave him one out by having players back with him.
Vickergirl needs to do a bit more to help also
Games Goals Behinds Score Marks Shots %
Jarryd Roughead 15 47 17 299 77 64 73.4
Joshua Kennedy 14 47 17 299 99 64 73.4
Jack Riewoldt 15 43 25 283 69 68 63.2
Travis Cloke 14 43 36 294 132 79 54.4
Lindsay Thomas 13 39 16 250 36 55 70.9
Jeremy Cameron 14 39 13 247 75 52 75.0
Lance Franklin 14 38 29 257 57 67 56.7
Drew Petrie 15 36 15 231 83 51 70.6
Tom Hawkins 14 36 11 227 61 47 76.6
Jack Darling 15 35 20 230 70 55 63.6
Nick Riewoldt 14 35 19 229 137 54 64.8
Jeff Garlett 15 32 16 208 50 48 66.7
Jay Schulz 15 29 16 190 85 45 64.4
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Great analysis cub, always like to see a case qualified :shh
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Gee 800,000 for cotch I find that an extraordinary figure,surely that cant be right
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Gee 800,000 for cotch I find that an extraordinary figure,surely that cant be right
hope its wrong
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Reckon Hardwick will need to bite the bullet at some stage and send him to true full forward and force Freo to leave him one out by having players back with him.
Vickergirl needs to do a bit more to help also
You should be stuffing coaching, man! :thumbsup
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Pretty obvious really, every time Jack actually controls the goal square and stays there he kicks goals and we have multiple goal kickers. Damien, do what Buckly does with Cloke!!
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oh, u should coach too then mate.
Didn't mean to isolate you :lol
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Reckon Hardwick will need to bite the bullet at some stage and send him to true full forward and force Freo to leave him one out by having players back with him.
Vickergirl needs to do a bit more to help also
You should be stuffing coaching, man! :thumbsup
I reckon if its wet we leave Lids at FF and Jackmas the lead up 80 out with Vickery pinch hitting in the ruck with his fwd role. That way we can hopefully negate the Crowley tag.
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would rather they are paying overs to the likes of cotchin than overs to the likes of jackson white houli grigg nahas king mcguane etc etc etc etc etc.
we have to pay the minimum it may as well be to those who go okay.
just on jack he will continue to frustrate us until we find a decent foil for him.vickery lol they dont come softer.edwards well we arent talking medium sized players here we are talking talls.
simple truth is we cant afford to lose riewoldt even if we wanted to.the truth is we desperately need to find at least two more quality talls to help him out and build on what we have.
i look at adelaide and think to myself how good have they been with drafting talls when you consider the number they have lost to f/a trade and injury.
can just see em next yr with an improving lynch as a third tall, walker in a key post and the promising jenkins.while we at richmond persevere with bums like vickey mcguane and the claytons tall edwards.
the truth is if we lose riewoldt we lose the only decent tall forward we have warts and all.
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If the number Cotch is supposedly getting is that high and I'm always weary of journos and their guessing I must say I am slightly miffed that it is that high, for the reason tigs2011 said, that is sprouting about players needing to make sacrifices to stay together and then not look like you've done it yourself. Doubt the Club asked him to take a cut ;D :rollin
Lets hope enough people take pay cuts to make it work but if the journos are right (I know what you're gonna say ;D) what Cotch is on and Dusty and Jack are asking for ~25% of our salary cap is going to them :help
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I can't see a future for the likes of Nahas and McGuane unfortunately for them. They will free up money, probably $200-300k/year each. We will find the money to keep Jack and Martin. Just a matter of not overpaying them too much IMO, bad precedent to set for the rest of the playing group.
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lets say martin is definately going. we have a choice let him slide into the draft and recieve nothing or demand we get a fair trade going.
we want dom tyson, so tyson plus a reasonable pick say their 2nd rounder.trouble with this is they have first pick in the nd and if they hang onto it have us over the proverbial barrel.
lets hope if dusty goes he insists we get fair compensation like judd did when he left wce.
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lets say martin is definately going.
He isn't so...
we have a choice let him slide into the draft and recieve nothing or demand we get a fair trade going.
we want dom tyson, so tyson plus a reasonable pick say their 2nd rounder.trouble with this is they have first pick in the nd and if they hang onto it have us over the proverbial barrel.
lets hope if dusty goes he insists we get fair compensation like judd did when he left wce.
But I'll play along just this once despite the game being pointless
We would want pick 1 end of story, not Dyson and a 2nd round pick
Has to be pick 1 because that means we get some kid called Tom Boyd who by all reports is going to be a gun
But as I've said many many times he wont be going so it's all a mute point really ;D
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If we all just agreed with what you said WP your forum would be dead. Let the hypothetical continue! ;D
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Jack to Show Freo his full worth this Sunday and kick ten.......seal the deal Freo, thanks for the Mamories Jack!
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Kim Hagdorn trolling you geezers again :lol
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Reckon Hardwick will need to bite the bullet at some stage and send him to true full forward and force Freo to leave him one out by having players back with him.
Vickergirl needs to do a bit more to help also
You should be stuffing coaching, man! :thumbsup
I reckon if its wet we leave Lids at FF and Jackmas the lead up 80 out with Vickery pinch hitting in the ruck with his fwd role. That way we can hopefully negate the Crowley tag.
Sure.....or alternatively.
Deledio could STAND UP AND BE AN A GRADER !!
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lets say martin is definately going.
He isn't so...
we have a choice let him slide into the draft and recieve nothing or demand we get a fair trade going.
we want dom tyson, so tyson plus a reasonable pick say their 2nd rounder.trouble with this is they have first pick in the nd and if they hang onto it have us over the proverbial barrel.
lets hope if dusty goes he insists we get fair compensation like judd did when he left wce.
But I'll play along just this once despite the game being pointless
We would want pick 1 end of story, not Dyson and a 2nd round pick
Has to be pick 1 because that means we get some kid called Tom Boyd who by all reports is going to be a gun
But as I've said many many times he wont be going so it's all a mute point really ;D
as most people know im a huge wrap for tyson given a little time and a clear run with injury i reckon he will be every bit as good as martin if not better.
on boyd i have two big concerns on what ive seen of him.
1/ like griffiths hes a man mountain playing against boys im not real sure what to make of his performances because of it.impressive as they are.
2/ what ive seen of him and unlike 5 or 6 yrs ago or so i dont see much of the kids anymore and its becoming less and less every yr, based on what ive seen he seems to be very much a mark kick player to me. he obviously has great agility decent pace for a bloke his size etc but based on what ive seen hes too one dimensional. on this though i have to go by what others are saying and they are wrapping him up. as usual happy to put it out there.
ya know if jack stays and i reckon he will, and boyd is half as good as most think it would be a great combo and place us on a level playing field with a lot of other clubs in the key forward stakes.
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Kimmy from Perth at it again :whistle
Stakes high in chase for Richmond forward Jack Riewoldt
Kim Hagdorn
The Sunday Times
July 20, 2013 10:00PM
FREMANTLE might have to sacrifice a precious first-round draft pick if a bidding war erupts over Richmond forward Jack Riewoldt.
The Dockers are in the market to secure the dual Coleman medallist on an estimated $3million deal over four years if he decides to leave the Tigers at the end of the season.
Riewoldt, 24, is out of contract in October and continues to be in dispute with Tigers management over his asking price to extend his career at Punt Road.
His negotiations appear to have stalled and are complicating attempts to sign other important links in Richmond's premiership campaign in the approaching three to four seasons.
Fremantle officials have bluntly refused to discuss list management and recruitment.
Riewoldt, who has booted 305 goals in 127 games, is firmly in the Dockers' sights to considerably bolster their scoring potency as champion forward Matthew Pavlich nears retirement.
Fremantle launched audacious, but ultimately failed bids to win the services of a gun power forward in recent trade periods, with huge financial packages offered to Mitch Clark in 2011 when he left Brisbane and then Collingwood's Travis Cloke last year.
The Dockers were also in the early running to put together an attractive financial lure to Hawthorn superstar Lance Franklin, who looks headed for a move to Greater Western Sydney.
Riewoldt's negotiations are holding up attempts to retain young midfielder Dustin Martin on the back of the Tigers re-signing captain Trent Cotchin earlier this season.
Cotchin, just 23 and in his first season as Tigers captain, inked a new two-year contract in early March through to the end of 2015.
It is believed Riewoldt is seeking a deal of similar magnitude as his skipper, but is after a much longer term than Cotchin's two-season extension.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/stakes-high-in-chase-stuff-riewoldt/story-fniv64vs-1226682421442
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Freo's first pick won't be so precious given they'll finish top 4 and it'll be a mid-teens pick.
The media are just making this stuff up. Last night we also had Ch 7 claiming Gold Coast were going hard after Jack. When they revealed where they heard this, it came from some nobody on twitter ::).
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Freo's first pick won't be so precious given they'll finish top 4 and it'll be a mid-teens pick.
Kim said 'might' have to hand over a first round pick.
A 2 time coleman medallist and on track for 50+ goals again this year should at least get us a 3rd rounder and Kepler Bradley. :rollin
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Jack for maybe Fyfe + Ibbotson. Martin for pick 1 and maybe something else.
Bloody hope he stays/applies himself.
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Fyfe couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat. poo kick.