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Title: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: one-eyed on July 16, 2013, 06:21:54 PM
Coming up after the break on Ch 7 news.
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: WilliamPowell on July 16, 2013, 06:25:26 PM
Ch 7 reporting Freo are targeting Reiwoldt

And that GWS are targeting Duston Martin with one of the main reason being his father lives in Sydney  ::)
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: one-eyed on July 16, 2013, 06:27:59 PM
Nothing new  :boredom.

Both Jack and Dusty remain out of contract.

A Freo assistant Simon Lloyd on ABC radio today said Jack would look good in purple :chuck.

Mark Stevens said GWS would be a good suitor for Martin because Dusty's dad lives in Sydney  ::).
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: bojangles17 on July 16, 2013, 06:59:39 PM
All of martins mates live in melbourne, id think a bigger factor for a reserved young man. Not at all surprised theyd be interested ....i reckon he s comfortable in melbourne though
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: Yeahright on July 16, 2013, 07:35:40 PM
Wheres his Mum live
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: WilliamPowell on July 16, 2013, 08:19:38 PM
Wheres his Mum live

Castlemaine, most of the family are in Castlemaine

And I can claim that as a fact  ;D

Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on July 16, 2013, 08:33:49 PM
Wheres his Mum live

Castlemaine, most of the family are Castlemaine

And I can claim that as a fact  ;D
Explains why he played with the Bendigo Pioneers!
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: Rampstar on July 16, 2013, 08:48:12 PM
Ch 7 reporting Freo are targeting Reiwoldt

Lets all welcome Nathan Fyfe and Freos 1st Round Pick to Punt Road  ;D
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: wayne on July 16, 2013, 08:48:42 PM
If they wanted to go....

Pick 1, Adams and Tyson
for
Martin and our first pick

Fyfe and Freo 1st rounder
for
Riewoldt and 2nd rounder

West Coast first rounder and Lycett
for
Conca

West Coast first rounder
for
Frawley

In - Pick 1, Freo 1st round pick, Tyson, Adams, Fyfe, Frawley and Lycett
Out- Riewoldt, Martin, Conca, 2nd round pick
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: Yeahright on July 16, 2013, 09:10:59 PM
Wheres his Mum live

Castlemaine, most of the family are in Castlemaine

And I can claim that as a fact  ;D

Still?
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: pmac21 on July 16, 2013, 09:15:07 PM
I would trade dusty for pick 1 and a 2nd rounder. Dusty will finish top 20 in the brownlow this year and will soon enter his prime.
We must keep jack though.
Think both will stay as will Conca.
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: DCrane on July 16, 2013, 09:22:36 PM
I would trade dusty for pick 1 and a 2nd rounder. Dusty will finish top 20 in the brownlow this year and will soon enter his prime.
We must keep jack though.
Think both will stay as will Conca.

If you get pick 1 you don't necessarily need Jack anymore
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: Eat_em_Alive on July 16, 2013, 09:25:47 PM
Hmmm even though hypothetical thosectrades would put us back a year with development imo
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: dwaino on July 16, 2013, 09:42:19 PM
If we lose a these blokes at least we'll have an excuse when we fall on our arse next year. May also need to unload Jack, Martin and Conca anyway to afford Cotchin's next contract.
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: cub on July 16, 2013, 09:43:04 PM
 :sleep ignore list
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: torch on July 16, 2013, 10:02:13 PM
Wheres his Mum live

Castlemaine, most of the family are in Castlemaine

And I can claim that as a fact  ;D

This is TRUE!

His Mum and two Brothers (one's name is Tyson) still live their.

Older brothers too.
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: WilliamPowell on July 16, 2013, 10:03:12 PM
Wheres his Mum live

Castlemaine, most of the family are in Castlemaine

And I can claim that as a fact  ;D

Still?

Why the ?

His Mum is from and lives in Castlemaine, her family are all there, Dusty lived there when he came back to Vic to play TAC Cup
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: Rampstar on July 16, 2013, 10:24:13 PM
I will be happy if Dusty signs. Jackie Boy can stuff off if he likes as long as we get Fyfe and some steak knives.
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: Francois Jackson on July 16, 2013, 10:48:14 PM
You would take fyfe?

Good player but match winner? Dime a dozen for mine.

Would take their first round plus GWS first pick for Jack

Jack to Freo
Fyfe to GWS
Gws pick 1, freo 1st to tigers

Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: Yeahright on July 16, 2013, 11:08:12 PM
Wheres his Mum live

Castlemaine, most of the family are in Castlemaine

And I can claim that as a fact  ;D

Still?

Why the ?

His Mum is from and lives in Castlemaine, her family are all there, Dusty lived there when he came back to Vic to play TAC Cup

Because it was a question. I knew they used to was just asking if they still did
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: Damo on July 16, 2013, 11:16:52 PM
You would take fyfe?

Good player but match winner? Dime a dozen for mine.

Would take their first round plus GWS first pick for Jack

Jack to Freo
Fyfe to GWS
Gws pick 1, freo 1st to tigers

Good player but match winner? Dime a dozen for mine.

Yet you want GWS to part with pick 1 for him?
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: Willy on July 16, 2013, 11:19:15 PM
Damo he was saying that Fyfe is not a match winner.
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: Damo on July 17, 2013, 12:26:03 AM
Damo he was saying that Fyfe is not a match winner.

I understand thats what he is saying.

What im asking is how does he expect GWS to give freo pick 1 for him if thats the case for the following to work ....

Jack to Freo
Fyfe to GWS
Gws pick 1, freo 1st to tigers
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: (•))(©™ on July 17, 2013, 01:11:31 AM
If knobhead arses another Coleman this year, the sell will be
"Triple Coleman medalist in his prime"

That's going to get more than just a number 1 pick.

Do it, RFC.
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: Judge Roughneck on July 17, 2013, 01:13:33 AM
a three times coleman winning @ 25 yoa

is got to be worth more than judd

Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: mat073 on July 17, 2013, 01:23:51 AM
Not name dropping or anything like that but my cousin was a recent coach of the castlemaine football club .
My castlemaine relatives tell me Dustins mum still lives in the area.
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: (•))(©™ on July 17, 2013, 01:34:00 AM
Dusty stays over the Savant
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: (•))(©™ on July 17, 2013, 01:38:30 AM
Jack won't even train hard in the Melbourne climate.
The poor love would have a heart attack running around in WA.
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: TigerTimeII on July 17, 2013, 01:43:44 AM
if this is even slightly a chance then
freo can have jack for fyfe a 1st rnd and Ballentyne
gws can have dusty for Cameron and pick one

this I could handle
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: eliminator on July 17, 2013, 07:04:33 AM
Hopeful Dustin will stay. Club has been very supportive of him. He is a required player. So is Jack. Get on with signing them Richmond.
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: WilliamPowell on July 17, 2013, 07:04:46 AM
Wheres his Mum live

Castlemaine, most of the family are in Castlemaine

And I can claim that as a fact  ;D

Still?

Why the ?

His Mum is from and lives in Castlemaine, her family are all there, Dusty lived there when he came back to Vic to play TAC Cup

Because it was a question. I knew they used to was just asking if they still did

Yep you asked the question "wheres his Mum live" and I answered it in my first reply, with "Castlemaine"

Questioned answered I would have thought
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: Francois Jackson on July 17, 2013, 07:45:51 AM
You would take fyfe?

Good player but match winner? Dime a dozen for mine.

Would take their first round plus GWS first pick for Jack

Jack to Freo
Fyfe to GWS
Gws pick 1, freo 1st to tigers

Good player but match winner? Dime a dozen for mine.

Yet you want GWS to part with pick 1 for him?

I see your point but yes i still do

They are another organisation

Just look at how we sold Tambling

Anything is possible

It would be quite funny if either leave to be honest given most clubs have held into their stars

Will say more about them than the club

Good riddons if they want to go, selfish stuffers

Compensation would be big either way.



Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: bojangles17 on July 17, 2013, 08:15:46 AM
Makes me wonder how hawthorn, finalists for 4 or 5 years can afford to offer buddy 1.1 and we seem to be struggling to meet 600 or 700k , go figure  ::)
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: tiga on July 17, 2013, 09:39:08 AM
if this is even slightly a chance then
freo can have jack for fyfe a 1st rnd and Ballentyne
gws can have dusty for Cameron and pick one

this I could handle

Cameron would be a perfect replacement for Jack as they are very similar in how they play. But Cameron will not be going anywhere if GWS have any say in it. If Buddy
ends up there, he would compliment Cameron's style of play. If Buddy does go to GWS, it will be Interesting to see where this will put the Injury ridden Patton in the pecking order. If GWS lose patience, he may be put on the trade table. Would anyone here want Patton as a replacement for Jack even though he may be injury prone?
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: gerkin greg on July 17, 2013, 09:58:17 AM
We lose Jack and we turn into the bulldogs

Lmao at the gimps wanting to trade away one of the comps best forwards and the only good forward at this club
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: Willy on July 17, 2013, 10:47:34 AM
We lose Jack and we turn into the bulldogs

Lmao at the gimps wanting to trade away one of the comps best forwards and the only good forward at this club

Exactly.

Who the stuff do people expect to kick our goals next year if Jack goes?
Vickery? Second-year Beaner?

Cmonnnnn mannnnnnn.
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: Tigers of Old on July 17, 2013, 10:51:45 AM
We lose Jack and we turn into the bulldogs

Lmao at the gimps wanting to trade away one of the comps best forwards and the only good forward at this club

Agree. Losing Jack is not an option.
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: Crazy_Ivan on July 17, 2013, 10:58:03 AM
a three times coleman winning @ 25 yoa

is got to be worth more than judd
They should scrap the Coleman medal out of respect to the great man.Serioulsy when one of the contenders is Lindsay Thomas,You have to wonder the true worth of a fwd these days compared to decades past.
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: gerkin greg on July 17, 2013, 11:15:48 AM
a three times coleman winning @ 25 yoa

is got to be worth more than judd
They should scrap the Coleman medal out of respect to the great man.Serioulsy when one of the contenders is Lindsay Thomas,You have to wonder the true worth of a fwd these days compared to decades past.

Yep. I remember when Lethal won it with just 67 goals. Absolute disgrace. Fake Coleman that one.
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: Yeahright on July 17, 2013, 10:43:45 PM
Wheres his Mum live

Castlemaine, most of the family are in Castlemaine

And I can claim that as a fact  ;D

Still?

Why the ?

His Mum is from and lives in Castlemaine, her family are all there, Dusty lived there when he came back to Vic to play TAC Cup

Because it was a question. I knew they used to was just asking if they still did

Yep you asked the question "wheres his Mum live" and I answered it in my first reply, with "Castlemaine"

Questioned answered I would have thought
And the next question was "still" why couldn't you just say yes?
Could of been old information from when he was drafted when all the articles about him moving back and forth from Sydney and Castlemaine so was just clarifying they still did.
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: Judge Roughneck on July 17, 2013, 10:47:56 PM
a three times coleman winning @ 25 yoa

is got to be worth more than judd
They should scrap the Coleman medal out of respect to the great man.Serioulsy when one of the contenders is Lindsay Thomas,You have to wonder the true worth of a fwd these days compared to decades past.

Its the full forwards fault players don't stay in traditional positions ie.forward pocket. But have 18 bloke a in def. 59
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: Crazy_Ivan on July 17, 2013, 11:28:39 PM
Its the full forwards fault players don't stay in traditional positions ie.forward pocket. But have 18 bloke a in def. 59
If todays F/Fwd can,t find space in the Def.59,Then he,d might as well give the game away.
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: Judge Roughneck on July 17, 2013, 11:58:09 PM
When north have 18 blokes in the back 50 u expect jack to find space?

The game has changed from 10-20-30 yr ago
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: Crazy_Ivan on July 18, 2013, 12:17:06 AM
When north have 18 blokes in the back 50 u expect jack to find space?

The game has changed from 10-20-30 yr ago
So has the grounds,No cricket pitches etc.
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: (•))(©™ on July 18, 2013, 12:20:03 AM
When north have 18 blokes in the back 50 u expect jack to find space?

The game has changed from 10-20-30 yr ago

more so when guys coach like behindholes
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: WilliamPowell on July 18, 2013, 07:12:03 AM
And the next question was "still" why couldn't you just say yes?
Could of been old information from when he was drafted when all the articles about him moving back and forth from Sydney and Castlemaine so was just clarifying they still did.

Why? No need for a Yes because I answered it

I said she was from Castlemaine and "lives there" so doesn't that equate to "still"? I didn't post "used to " I posted "lives there" = present tense
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: TigerTimeII on July 18, 2013, 09:56:18 AM
And the next question was "still" why couldn't you just say yes?
Could of been old information from when he was drafted when all the articles about him moving back and forth from Sydney and Castlemaine so was just clarifying they still did.

Why? No need for a Yes because I answered it

I said she was from Castlemaine and "lives there" so doesn't that equate to "still"? I didn't post "used to " I posted "lives there" = present tense

and i get called a moron on here
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: WA Tiger on July 18, 2013, 10:20:48 AM
And the next question was "still" why couldn't you just say yes?
Could of been old information from when he was drafted when all the articles about him moving back and forth from Sydney and Castlemaine so was just clarifying they still did.

Why? No need for a Yes because I answered it

I said she was from Castlemaine and "lives there" so doesn't that equate to "still"? I didn't post "used to " I posted "lives there" = present tense

and i get called a moron on here

Yes you do!
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: Yeahright on July 18, 2013, 10:23:08 AM
And the next question was "still" why couldn't you just say yes?
Could of been old information from when he was drafted when all the articles about him moving back and forth from Sydney and Castlemaine so was just clarifying they still did.

Why? No need for a Yes because I answered it

I said she was from Castlemaine and "lives there" so doesn't that equate to "still"? I didn't post "used to " I posted "lives there" = present tense

No you didn't go read it again. Get over it dude you made it harder than it needed to be  :yawn
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: Stripes on July 18, 2013, 11:01:17 AM
At the moment I think we can afford to lose a midfielder but not our FF. Martin adds midfield strength but we can replace him while Jack is our creative focal point and we have no one to cover his role at present.
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: gerkin greg on July 18, 2013, 11:55:23 AM
At the moment I think we can afford to lose a midfielder but not our FF. Martin adds midfield strength but we can replace him while Jack is our creative focal point and we have no one to cover his role at present.

we can't afford to lose any good players, we've only got about 4
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: Judge Roughneck on July 18, 2013, 12:20:03 PM
Bingo lids chimp dusty back should all be on five year contract

pee off the list blockers
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: smasha on July 18, 2013, 03:22:09 PM
That's why Slywittio is only giving Hawthorn a 20 pick for him poaching Buddy to GWS.

Trying to downgrade the others down the list.

He is a sly bastard Vlad.

Says Buddy will still get an ambassador role in Melbourne but we all know it would be a fifth of what he would get at GWS(ambassador money).
Also says he is a traditionalist(LOL nice porky pie)about Buddy staying with his old club.

He would make the perfect politician.
I can see right through him as all of us can.

If Jack or dusty go,which I fully expect them to stay,then the only reason is Vlad waving his chequebook to try to get his cash cow franchise going.
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: smasha on July 18, 2013, 03:27:08 PM
FREE AGENCY WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A WEAPON TO POACH UNTOUCHABLES FROM OTHER CLUBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 :banghead  :banghead  :banghead  :banghead  :banghead
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: Judge Roughneck on July 18, 2013, 03:28:32 PM
Make jack the ambassador of sooking

Dusty ambassador of sheep shaggers
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: smasha on July 18, 2013, 03:35:29 PM
Richmond have been ,if you look at the last 30 odd years,the worst performed club.
WE haven't even made the bloody finals now the AFL are letting every club poach our untouchables.
WTF?
The AFL talk about equalisation.
Where IS THE EQUALISATION?


Dees get fined for tanking then in a matter of months get handed the money and interest back.

Richmond getting raped by the AFL.
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: wayne on July 19, 2013, 12:38:13 PM
From Damien Barretts 'Sliding Doors' column...

Richmond
IF
the Tigers want to guarantee keeping Jack Riewoldt on their list …
THEN
… they are going to have to increase their offer. Dockers coming hard.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-19/sliding-doors-round-17
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: dwaino on July 19, 2013, 12:41:33 PM
From Damien Barretts 'Sliding Doors' column...

Richmond
IF
the Tigers want to guarantee keeping Jack Riewoldt on their list …
THEN
… they are going to have to increase their offer. Dockers coming hard.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-19/sliding-doors-round-17

Cya jack.
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: JVT on July 19, 2013, 01:24:34 PM
Trade him to GWS for Cameron  :shh
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: gerkin greg on July 19, 2013, 01:26:54 PM
Mitch Farmer and Ben Nason would be a good return
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: pmac21 on July 19, 2013, 01:43:37 PM
Can't see Dockers satisfying us with a trade??? Won't get to Freo...
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: dwaino on July 19, 2013, 03:51:06 PM
Can't see Dockers satisfying us with a trade??? Won't get to Freo...

GWS and Bulldogs would be all over him if he walked into PSD too.

Unless Freo coughed their first pick and a quality player
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: Ruanaidh on July 19, 2013, 04:26:14 PM
Trade him to GWS for Cameron  :shh
That or Pick 1 and Dom Tyson.
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: bojangles17 on July 19, 2013, 09:40:30 PM
How the bleedin heck could the dockers have more surplus in their TPP than us to offer jack this kinda mulla, doesn't make sense ::)
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: dwaino on July 19, 2013, 09:51:23 PM
How the bleedin heck could the dockers have more surplus in their TPP than us to offer jack this kinda mulla, doesn't make sense ::)

It was only 2 years ago or something apparently we were paying one of the least TPPs in the comp and then the club said we were preparing for free agency - as in making sure we could secure our own players as well as the ability to shop some other players. What has happened that all of the sudden we can't afford our players? Are they really asking too much?
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: Penelope on July 19, 2013, 10:08:20 PM
assuming there actually is an issue, is it a case of cant or wont?
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: dwaino on July 19, 2013, 10:30:52 PM
assuming there actually is an issue, is it a case of cant or wont?

In a round about way, that was what I was alluding at  ;D

 :huh3
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: Eat_em_Alive on July 19, 2013, 10:32:46 PM
How the bleedin heck could the dockers have more surplus in their TPP than us to offer jack this kinda mulla, doesn't make sense ::)

It was only 2 years ago or something apparently we were paying one of the least TPPs in the comp and then the club said we were preparing for free agency - as in making sure we could secure our own players as well as the ability to shop some other players. What has happened that all of the sudden we can't afford our players? Are they really asking too much?

Who knows tbh, you would think they were regular finalists and premiership players.
God forbid if we ever ein another one, they players will disband For more money  :-\
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: bojangles17 on July 19, 2013, 11:02:00 PM
We haven't played finals for 12 stuffen years and we can't sign our players within the cap, go figure ::)
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: gerkin greg on July 20, 2013, 11:33:42 AM
You dumb stuffing gumbys
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: tony_montana on July 20, 2013, 01:10:11 PM
just posturing, he'll sign.

We just wont pay overs - like to think those days are well behind us(they've been preaching that for a few yrs now, helmut was massive on it)
Title: Re: Two club raid on Jack and Dusty: Ch 7
Post by: Andyy on July 20, 2013, 01:43:43 PM
Is Jack worth the $750k he wants? I don't think so. I hardly think he deserves much of a raise on his $550k anyway.
Is Dusty worth $650k? Maybe conditionally but not ATM. 500-550 sounds more reasonable.


You don't want to let these guys go, but you can't set a precedent that allows them to ask for however much money they want. There's a whole team to think about. If they won't sign for less, we'll be forced to trade.


I'd offer them both to GWS. Jack for Pick 1 (Boyd) and Martin for J Cameron. Maybe a pick too.