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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Hellenic Tiger on July 20, 2013, 04:54:33 PM
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Just saw advertisement on Fox Footy,
The Mike Sheahan dodo Richmond: The Lost Years will premiere next Sunday July 28.
Didn't say what time but I would think at 8:30 pm.
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yeah looking forward to seeing how we went from being a sporting superpower to being shizen :'(
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yeah looking forward to seeing how we went from being a sporting superpower to being shizen :'(
:lol
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yeah looking forward to seeing how we went from being a sporting superpower to being shizen :'(
Seen it once already :P so don't plan to watch a replay of it.
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yeah looking forward to seeing how we went from being a sporting superpower to being shizen :'(
Seen it once already :P so don't plan to watch a replay of it.
:yep
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I'm actually going to watch it, if only to hear some of the crappy excuses certain people will come up with regarding the mess they left behind (eg Caro's old man) ;D
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Is Richard Lounder co hosting it
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Is Richard Lounder co hosting it
Nope - A Banik is.
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Is Richard Lounder co hosting it
Nope - A Banik is.
Nope Shane Fell is
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Former Richmond figures reveal how 'obsession' with John Pitura in 1970s sent Tigers broke
By Al Paton
Herald Sun
July 26, 2013
A 1975 transfer fee of almost $300,000 in today's money cost Richmond 30 years in the footy wilderness.
The fee, paid by the Tigers for South Melbourne defender John Pitura, sparked player disharmony and a destructive trade war that almost sent the club to extinction.
The revelations are made in the Fox Footy documentary Richmond: The Lost Years.
Former president Ian Wilson said the Pitura trade was "the biggest mistake in my time at Richmond" and admitted the Tigers powerbrokers, including board heavyweight Graham Richmond, became "obsessed" with getting Pitura to Punt Rd.
After threatening to take the league to court, Pitura was eventually cleared in 1975.
Wilson revealed the transfer fee was $40,000 - the equivalent of $292,000 today. The deal also cost the Tigers three players - popular clubman Brian Roberts, Graham Teasdale and Francis Jackson.
Pitura played 40 games for Richmond while Teasdale went on to win a Brownlow Medal for the Swans.
"It was a big mistake and I could see that a week after we let them go," former coach Tom Hafey said.
Wilson shook his head when revealing the transfer fee.
"Don't even talk to me about it, not many people know that. It was $40,000 and the three players... don't even go any further."
It was the first bad deal of many that would rip the heart out of the club for the next three decades.
Although the Tigers won their 10th premiership in 1980, the seeds of discontent had been sewn and disaster struck when star centreman Geoff Raines left at the end of 1982 - also over money.
Raines tells Mike Sheahan in the documentary that he was upset he was being offered less than half the pay of star Western Australian recruit Maurice Rioli, who also took Raines' position.
"Centre was my position, I had won three B&Fs and a runner-up. (Rioli) was a fantastic player and a really nice guy so I've got nothing against Maurice, but it was the way the club handled it ... I felt I wasn't getting as rewarded as Maurice was at the time so I thought that was pretty unjust."
Raines quit and joined Collingwood along with teammate David Cloke, who had pleaded to the board on behalf of premiership players who felt they were being taken for granted, training in sub-standard facilities as the club splashed out on high-profile recruits.
At the same time, Richmond cleared former captain Bryan Wood to Essendon.
The Tigers, who sacked premiership coach Tony Jewell at the end of 1981 and appointed favourite son Francis Bourke, then went on a self-destructive spending spree trying to get even.
"You could go back to when we lost Cloke, Raines and Wood," Jewell said.
"That was the demise of the playing side. Then we went broke because we attacked Collingwood to try to get even.
"When I came back (in 1986), we just had nothing, the list was terrible and we had no money."
Former coach and president Barry Richardson said Graham Richmond had a personal vendetta against Collingwood.
"We speak with Graham Richmond with great love and respect but there was also a period when it all became out of control."
The Tigers sacked six coaches in the next nine years and by the time club great Kevin Bartlett was in charge in the late 1980s, the club was so poor it couldn't afford a single dedicated recruiter.
In the first national draft in 1986, four of Richmond's five picks never played a senior game. The Tigers used the No.1 pick in 1987 on South Australian ruckman Richard Lounder, who returned home after four senior appearances.
"Looking back I'd say I had no chance whatsoever," Bartlett said.
"Richmond really in that period got left a long, long way behind."
Robert Walls, appointed coach in 1996 and sacked the next year, said he walked into a club stuck in the past - with a mentality and facilities to match.
"I think Leon (Daphne, Tigers president) was pressured by sponsors to sack me.
"There was five games to go in the season, what was the point of doing it? But people thought that we've got to be seen to be doing things, seen to be ruthless, because that was the Richmond tradition."
Walls said a stable administration, improved facilities and strong recruiting gave coach Damien Hardwick a chance to rewrite Richmond's modern history.
"They can play finals and, if things fall their way over the next few years, they could play in a Grand Final, that's not beyond them," Walls said.
Bartlett agreed: "Richmond Football Club at this time has the best chance to have success, and continued success, since 1980."
Richmond: The Lost Years screens on Fox Footy at 8.30pm Sunday
Read more: http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/former-richmond-figures-reveal-how-obsession-with-john-pitura-in-1970s-sent-tigers-broke/story-e6frf3e3-1226686182797#ixzz2a7fhfvwa
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this doco will be so depressing.
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this doco will be so depressing.
and for that reason I will not be watching it
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yeah looking forward to seeing how we went from being a sporting superpower to being shizen :'(
Don't need to see it, I stuffing lived it. Will watch though
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We were the biggest club in the land and those morons stuffed us up. We were bigger than Collingwood and Essedon and now we are only bigger than Carlton.
Thanks for nothing dudes.
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yeah looking forward to seeing how we went from being a sporting superpower to being shizen :'(
Don't need to see it, I stuffing lived it. Will watch though
Spot on, leave for our kids to watch - they can look on in disbelief in 20 years time when contemplating how many more than the 15 flags we could've had.
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got the IQ set will be an interesting insight for someone who only joined the bandwagon in the early 90's
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I axctually have to IQ it as I dont' get home from Sydney until after 10pm tomorrow
Am I expecting too much to expect Ian Wilson to say sorry for he and Graeme Richmond bankrupting that Club in the early 1980's :-\ :huh
From the snippets I've seen re his comments about Geoff Raines it would seem clearly I am
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Least now days we would have been compensated for the loss of Cloke and Raines.
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We were the biggest club in the land and those morons stuffed us up. We were bigger than Collingwood and Essedon and now we are only bigger than Carlton.
Thanks for nothing dudes.
Very very true.
1st club to reach 1million attendance figure(1980) in a time when you had to go to all the suburban grounds like the lakeside oval, princess park, windy hill, Arden street & junction oval.
The days when the dawks had a fag bag, pploofter cheersquad.
.....True story!
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Might not air Sunday night due to the Buckley sacking.
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Might not air Sunday night due to the Buckley sacking.
Yesssss Big Ivan :clapping
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What did we think?
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started good and gave hope in the end but the middle of it was poo ;D
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Just watched it, was interesting for someone not old enough to remember the lead up to the decline.
Thought the list of players not drafted was a cheap shot and without a lot of logic but overall was pretty interesting.
I'd also like to take this chance to apologise to Caroline Wilson. She never had a chance.
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For those that haven't see it, it's on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0xBJHu7_N4
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For those that haven't see it, it's on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0xBJHu7_N4
ta :)
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As bad as the recruiting wars with Collingwood were (and I remember it all first hand), I still believe the rot started in 1981 when we let Sheedy walk to Essendon. I mean look at the litany of sacked coaches we went through in his 27 year, 4 premiership reign at the Bummers. I know it would have been virtually impossible to ask Jewell to step down in 1980 after he'd just won us a flag by a then record margin. But considering TJ was gone the next year anyway after we failed to make the finals, maybe GR could have employed some of his legendary ruthlessness and done the deed anyway. I guess the stars just didn't align for us. :'(
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As bad as the recruiting wars with Collingwood were (and I remember it all first hand), I still believe the rot started in 1981 when we let Sheedy walk to Essendon. I mean look at the litany of sacked coaches we went through in his 27 year, 4 premiership reign at the Bummers. I know it would have been virtually impossible to ask Jewell to step down in 1980 after he'd just won us a flag by a then record margin. But considering TJ was gone the next year anyway after we failed to make the finals, maybe GR could have employed some of his legendary ruthlessness and done the deed anyway. I guess the stars just didn't align for us. :'(
Sheedy would've got the sack anyway lol
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Watched it last night
What an over hyped show it was
no hard hitting questions from Mike, just re-hashed what everyone knew. Perhaps because some club legends have now publicly said bad decisions were made, egos were out of control it gives it all a bit more cedibility. But for me it was a bit of a :sleep fest. Perhaps it had of been 2 hours instead of 1 hour it would have had more impact
Nothing new, very soft questioning by Mike
Ian Wilson - still refusing to take responsibility for the mess he left the place in, not that he was actually asked about it :banghead
Barry Richardson - spoke sense
KB - spoke alot of sense
Walls - spoke alot of sense, even if we don't like hearing it
Geoff Raines - confirmed what we knew - it was about money or more to the point Rioli getting paid double what he was. At least he was honest
David Cloke - terrible mullet ;D didn't have the courage to say why he walked = money & Bourke being coach just waffled on about he wasn't happy with the way the club was going ::)
Royce Hart - not even sure why they put some left over snippets from his "Open Mike" interview in there - didn't offer anything new
Tony Jewell - told us nothing new,
Danny Frawley - seriously did he actually answer the question Mike posed? he added nothing
Tommy Hafey - love Tommy but didn't really add anything, just agreed with Mike. And the much "hyped" bit about him not being happy with the questioning about Francis Bourke - massive non-event IMO.
Joel Bowden - spoke sense
Have I forgotten anyone ;D
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As bad as the recruiting wars with Collingwood were (and I remember it all first hand), I still believe the rot started in 1981 when we let Sheedy walk to Essendon. I mean look at the litany of sacked coaches we went through in his 27 year, 4 premiership reign at the Bummers. I know it would have been virtually impossible to ask Jewell to step down in 1980 after he'd just won us a flag by a then record margin. But considering TJ was gone the next year anyway after we failed to make the finals, maybe GR could have employed some of his legendary ruthlessness and done the deed anyway. I guess the stars just didn't align for us. :'(
seriously rolls, on what basis would you even consider getting rid of a premiership coach and replacing them with an untried one, at the time.
Punt Rd would have been burned to the ground and those in charge probably committed.