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Eye of the Tiger on Adams
By Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
Thursday, July 25, 2013
RICHMOND is showing interest in Greater Western Sydney's Taylor Adams as a boost to its 2014 playing list.
AFL.com.au believes the Tigers are among a number of Victorian clubs closely watching the progress of Adams, who has been one of the Giants' most consistent onballers this season.
Adams was drafted with pick 13 at the 2011 NAB AFL Draft from the Geelong Falcons, but the Giants have been unable to secure him to a new deal in his time in Sydney.
Greater Western Sydney list manager Stephen Silvagni said the club was in constant discussion regarding Adams' future.
"Both parties are very relaxed with where it [his contract] sits at the minute," he told AFL.com.au.
"There's no issues as far as we're concerned. We've both been transparent with the whole thing."
Last month Adams indicated he was in no hurry to make up his mind on where he would play in 2014.
"I think I'm over the homesickness at the moment and I'm really enjoying it up here in Sydney and made some really good friendships," the 20-year-old said.
"I just have to sit down and think about what's right for me [and] I'll probably wait until the end of the season.
"There's no rush, I'll just take my time and make the right decision."
While the Tigers continue to negotiate new contracts for star pair Jack Riewoldt and Dustin Martin, Adams fits the mould of the type of player the club has recruited in the last three seasons.
He is a hard midfielder with a burst of speed, with similar traits to Richmond's last three first-round draft picks in Nick Vlastuin, Brandon Ellis and Reece Conca, another Tiger whose contract expires at the end of this year.
During last year's trade period the Tigers tried to lure GWS midfielder Dom Tyson to the club, despite Tyson being only one season into his AFL career.
Adams has played 11 games in his second season and averaged 20 disposals a game, after 15 games in his debut year of 2012.
Giants coach Kevin Sheedy has previously supported Adams taking time to make a call on his future.
"You only get these chances (rarely) in your life and hopefully we make him an offer that he wants to stay," Sheedy said in June.
"We have to appreciate the individuality of a young man looking at his career and his life and that's the way I see it.
"I've had some great players come in and I've had some great players leave.
"You win them and you lose them."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-25/eye-of-the-tiger-on-adams
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AFL.com.au believes the Tigers are among a number of Victorian clubs closely watching the progress of Adams, who has been one of the Giants' most consistent onballers this season.
1. Leave out any quotes, statements or sources regarding the subject heading.
2. Make a broad statement that many clubs are interested (leaving out anything to substantiate the claim) but just pick one arbitrarily.
3. ????
4. Profit.
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Tiges were going to pick him up in the draft ahead of Ellis.
Obviously still interested!
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GWS has confirmed that Richmond are one of several clubs interested in Adams
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Generally not for trading our first pick (recent history with draft has been great), but more than happy to send it their way for Adams.
Would like to give them less, but isn't going to happen unless he was to nominate Richmond as his preferred destination.
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They said they need experience KPP. Mcguane and 2nd rounder 8)
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Tom Derickx and a yumbo 8)
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Tom Derickx to Adelaide or Tambling then on trade Tambling and Nahas to GWS for Adams, win win :lol
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To be honest I would rather go for Longer from the lions and try to bring him home.It's a need a young quality ruckman.
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what do offer longer to entice him to richmond? captain of the reserves?
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what do offer longer to entice him to richmond? captain of the reserves?
We dont know how bad Marics injury is.If he goes down were in big trouble.We need a quality developing young ruckman.
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if you reckon you can convince a kid to change clubs with the offer "if our current ruckman goes down" then you should apply for a job at the club, or sell bridges for a living.
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what do offer longer to entice him to richmond? captain of the reserves?
We dont know how bad Marics injury is.If he goes down were in big trouble.We need a quality developing young ruckman.
Ask Brad Ottens to come back?
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Houli for Adams , straight swap. We win , they lose. Get it done tiges :thumbsup
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It's Jackson for Adams. They get a captain and an experienced hard nut, we get a better player :santa
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To be honest I would rather go for Longer from the lions and try to bring him home.It's a need a young quality ruckman.
Why not both? ;)
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This is the type of player we should be looking at.
Need players like this to make our midfield strong and healthy.
If we had a couple of injuries now, we could be in trouble
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Adams and pick 1 (Boyd) for Jack.....I'd do that every day of the week.
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Adams and pick 1 (Boyd) for Jack.....I'd do that every day of the week.
they wouldnt
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if you reckon you can convince a kid to change clubs with the offer "if our current ruckman goes down" then you should apply for a job at the club, or sell bridges for a living.
Think he's more backing the go home factor to convince him to come over
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Adams and pick 1 (Boyd) for Jack.....I'd do that every day of the week.
yep time for us to be smart and cash in
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Adams and pick 1 (Boyd) for Jack.....I'd do that every day of the week.
yep time for us to be smart and cash in
And another club to be totally stupid
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if you reckon you can convince a kid to change clubs with the offer "if our current ruckman goes down" then you should apply for a job at the club, or sell bridges for a living.
Think he's more backing the go home factor to convince him to come over
You dont think that he would have said that if its what he meant?
Not that that would answer what we could offer over the other victorian based clubs.
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Adams and pick 1 (Boyd) for Jack.....I'd do that every day of the week.
would our first pick along with jack be a fair deal for their first pick and adams?
they wouldnt
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Essendon or Hawks will get him as part of a trade involving 1 of Buddy or Bellchambers.
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Essendon or Hawks will get him as part of a trade involving 1 of Buddy or Bellchambers.
negative
why would they cough up anything when they can get buddy for free
TBC is a different story
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if you reckon you can convince a kid to change clubs with the offer "if our current ruckman goes down" then you should apply for a job at the club, or sell bridges for a living.
Think he's more backing the go home factor to convince him to come over
You dont think that he would have said that if its what he meant?
Not that that would answer what we could offer over the other victorian based clubs.
He mentioned it in his original post. Maybe other clubs don't want him.
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Essendon or Hawks will get him as part of a trade involving 1 of Buddy or Bellchambers.
negative
why would they cough up anything when they can get buddy for free
Its all about preception,They know Adams wants to head back to Melb.Trading him as part of the Buddy deal from the outside makes it look like they aren,t shafting the Hawks,As the old saying goes.What Goes Around,Comes Around.
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Adams and pick 1 (Boyd) for Jack.....I'd do that every day of the week.
they wouldnt
would our first pick along with jack be a fair deal for their first pick and adams?
Moot point now :)
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Houli for Adams , straight swap. We win , they lose. Get it done tiges :thumbsup
Houli would be top 4 in our b and f , no chance of being traded...batchelor direct swap will get it done
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Adams and pick 1 (Boyd) for Jack.....I'd do that every day of the week.
they wouldnt
would our first pick along with jack be a fair deal for their first pick and adams?
Moot point now :)
prolly always was ;D
for arguments sake, same trade but dusty the centerpiece?
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Al you think they would do Pick 1 for Dusty?
Forget about this notion of them adding another player with that pick 1.
IMO if they want him can't see it being anything else other than Pick 1 for Dusty. It's a shame they weren't after Conca cause I would replace him in a heart beat.
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I think dusty has even more currency than jack did.
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Al you think they would do Pick 1 for Dusty?
Forget about this notion of them adding another player with that pick 1.
IMO if they want him can't see it being anything else other than Pick 1 for Dusty. It's a shame they weren't after Conca cause I would replace him in a heart beat.
nah, i was talking dusty and our first pick for adams and pick 1.
IMO dusty is worth at least pick 1. No matter how good an untried kid potentially is, a bird in the hand............
but it's only hypothetical. I'm pretty sure they want a key position player for pick 1
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What did the dees get for scully?
Martin is worth a lot more
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To be honest I would rather go for Longer from the lions and try to bring him home.It's a need a young quality ruckman.
Should definitely be doing this :thumbsup
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Some posters are underselling Dusty, pick 1 for Dusty who was a pick 3 and in his 4th season and has shown his ability is a bit short. Dusty is a match winner and is having a very consistent year so pick 1 and a good sweetener would be the minimum starting point.
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Al you think they would do Pick 1 for Dusty?
Forget about this notion of them adding another player with that pick 1.
IMO if they want him can't see it being anything else other than Pick 1 for Dusty. It's a shame they weren't after Conca cause I would replace him in a heart beat.
nah, i was talking dusty and our first pick for adams and pick 1.
IMO dusty is worth at least pick 1. No matter how good an untried kid potentially is, a bird in the hand............
but it's only hypothetical. I'm pretty sure they want a key position player for pick 1
agree with this. Dusty is worth more imo
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Some posters are underselling Dusty, pick 1 for Dusty who was a pick 3 and in his 4th season and has shown his ability is a bit short. Dusty is a match winner and is having a very consistent year so pick 1 and a good sweetener would be the minimum starting point.
Agree with this. :thumbsup
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What if GWS are jerks and just tell him to walk into PSD? :whistle
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if he went in the pre season draft then we just send Kim Duffie to get him
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GWS Giants midfielder Taylor Adams in Hawthorn's sights
Jay Clark
From: Herald Sun
July 30, 2013
HAWTHORN will target one of Greater Western Sydney's most promising midfielders, Taylor Adams, to help offset the potential loss of free agent Lance Franklin.
Adams has put off contract talks until season's end and is understood to have attracted varying degrees of interest from every Victorian club.
Hawthorn, Essendon, Richmond, Western Bulldogs and Melbourne are believed to be eyeing the 20-year-old, dubbed a future AFL captain after an impressive round of draft interviews two years ago.
Melbourne is set to table one of the most enticing offers as it has enormous salary cap space and a top-three draft pick to help satisfy the Giants in any trade deal.
But the Hawks are also known to be big fans of the 179cm midfield-forward and hope to lure the No.13 draft pick to help lead the club's next generation of midfielders.
The strength of Hawthorn's list, combined with the prospect of sustained success, could trump other clubs.
Adams, a hardball specialist from Geelong Falcons, has excelled in his second season at the Giants, where he ranks fourth in clearances this season.
It is believed it would take a top-12 draft pick or an established big man as a minimum to satisfy the Giants in a trade for Adams.
He has averaged 21 possessions and almost four tackles a game this season.
In the event Franklin leaves, Hawthorn will have about $1 million salary cap space to chase Adams, among others.
The Hawks need to find eventual replacements for veteran onballers such as Brad Sewell, 29, Luke Hodge, 29, and Sam Mitchell, 30.
The Hawks would receive pick No.20 as free agency compensation for Franklin, meaning they would have two late first-round picks to include in any trade deal.
Sources close to Adams say he has not made a decision on his future.
The Hawks are busy preparing end-of-season trade plans if Franklin departs to the Giants on a mega-deal.
Richmond is also expected to be a major player for Adams after missing out on Dom Tyson, another inside GWS midfielder, last year.
Adams said he was comfortable with the decision that loomed at the end of the season.
"I think I'm over the homesickness at the moment and I'm really enjoying it up here in Sydney and made some really good friendships," Adams said.
"I just have to sit down and think about what's right for me. I'll probably wait until the end of the season.
"There's no rush, I'll just take my time and make the right decision."
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/gws-giants-midfielder-taylor-adams-in-hawthorns-sights/story-fndv8lf1-1226687811982
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Going to cost too much I reckon, keep the pick and just draft another gun..
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According to BF, Adams has apparently nominated Richmond and North as his preferred destinations.
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Nought :facepalm :facepalm
There's easier ways to taste test pet food, non need to join the club and wait for the b&f to try out the main course :shh
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I'd entertain a first round swap for him.
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We are looking at Salam who ibdontreally want so would be happy to trade it for Adams.
He looked tougg
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According to BF, Adams has apparently nominated Richmond and North as his preferred destinations.
What do n0rf have to offer after they burn their first round in their FS? ::) I remember way back it was apparently us and the bombers in the box seat. Well you can put a line through them now too so I guess now we just discuss what number he is going to wear? ;D
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We are looking at Salam who ibdontreally want so would be happy to trade it for Adams.
He looked tougg
how do you know and why dont you want him?
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I would very much like to have Taylor Adams at the club :thumbsup ive said that on numerous occasions, wont I dont get is why norf have this fixation on richmond and why they always find us to be the measuring stick or when we have been no good, the blokes to kick in the guts when were already on the ground...
They take me to levels of uncontrollable rage :banghead :banghead time to unleash the stuffin tiger :gotigers
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Our first pick + a decent depth player that currently has no impact on our side (e.g Batch) for Adams who would come in and improve our starting 18, with two years in an AFL system behind him and can play out a full season would be a steal.
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Taylor Adams would be a good fit for our club IMHO.
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Our first pick + a decent depth player that currently has no impact on our side (e.g Batch) for Adams who would come in and improve our starting 18, with two years in an AFL system behind him and can play out a full season would be a steal.
First round pick and a player for a player that is still "potential" and is walking out?
Hey Dwaino, FO :thumbsup
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Our first pick + a decent depth player that currently has no impact on our side (e.g Batch) for Adams who would come in and improve our starting 18, with two years in an AFL system behind him and can play out a full season would be a steal.
First round pick and a player we're not using for a player that is better than the best pick we have available
DTF Dwaino?
;D
I don't know which player, but they have said they're not overly interested in just picks since they have enough snot noses and I doubt they are interested in anyone's duds. I just picked any old player that hasn't had any effect on our current season and would be a good chance to slip into their starting side.
I dunno, I just reckon IMO we need to have a massive crack at this one. Lists an trades definitely aren't my strong point and I don't know how but just get it bloody done :banghead
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Very disappointed you didn't take my bait
2nd rounder and a player
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Very disappointed you didn't take my bait
2nd rounder and a player
2nd rounder and how about edwards or griggs.
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2nd rounder and an etch-a-sketch drawing of Jesse White
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2nd rounder and an etch-a-sketch drawing of Jesse White
Id prefer the real thing with hungry hungry hippoes.
Get it done Tiges :clapping
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According to BF, Adams has apparently nominated Richmond and North as his preferred destinations.
What do n0rf have to offer after they burn their first round in their FS? ::) I remember way back it was apparently us and the bombers in the box seat. Well you can put a line through them now too so I guess now we just discuss what number he is going to wear? ;D
hope Blair is on the payroll at Norf seems they're using his talents.
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I've heard Norf are in to Caddy and he will be playing there next year FACT
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I've heard Norf are in to Caddy and he will be playing there next year FACT
is he the guy from Port with black hair? :cheers
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My mail is we are a club of interest to Adams management, lets it it this way, if we want him, he s ours :shh
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My mail is we are a club of interest to Adams management, lets it it this way, if we want him, he s ours :shh
Whoa :shh
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My mail is we are a club of interest to Adams management, lets it it this way, if we want him, he s ours :shh
geez i hope this is correct.
we have targeted two real good ones from gws tyson and now adams. both can really play it would be great to land one of em.
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Looks a gun. Happy to trade our first pick unless we're a chance if grabbing a genuine POWER forward (not another beanpole).
Good player, maybe 10 years worth of footy in him you'd think at least. Can't ask for much more from a 1st rounder.
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All depends on how GWS is to deal with.
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Offer them McGuane.
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Offer them McGuane.
Throw in Nahas too!
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and dose of the clap will seal the deal
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Nought :facepalm :facepalm
There's easier ways to taste test pet food, non need to join the club and wait for the b&f to try out the main course :shh
:lol
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Apparently Collingwoods interested too
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Offer them Houli for a direct swap, they will be looking for ready made players not draft picks. If you want quality you have to give up quality.
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vickery for pick 1.
pick 12 for adams throw in a steak knife like white king or shane edwards to get the deal done.
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vickery for pick 1.
pick 12 for adams throw in a steak knife like white king or shane edwards to get the deal done.
week in week out you bang on about how poor a player vickery is and now you expect to do a deal with him to land us pick 1?
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you tell him Tony..sheesh claw you are all over the shop at times
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Vickery doesn't have that kind of currency, seriously...
And as for Houli, I'd be hanging onto him for sure.
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vickery for pick 1.
pick 12 for adams throw in a steak knife like white king or shane edwards to get the deal done.
week in week out you bang on about how poor a player vickery is and now you expect to do a deal with him to land us pick 1?
week in week out i have banged on about how much people have over rated his performances. ive never said he doesnt have talent or cant improve.
he currently has plenty of value but if he continues to stagnate in two yrs time we wont be able to give him away.
look at it this way
top 10 pick who is highly thought of in the media and by the club. a 200cm stuff who is only 23 just got 80 odd games behind him and is about to enter his prime. hes at a stage where he should be able to offer gws something straight away and hes young enough to be long term. of course it would all depend on how much upside they think he has. i think he has little most others think he has heaps.
if that didnt sell ya all i can say one is aloud to dream isnt one.even i can be optimistic about some things. id cut my own idiot off to get pick 1.
theres an old saying one mans trash is another mans treasure just ask adelaide they gave up pick 27 at the time for tambling.we got rid of him just before he totally ran out value.
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Offer them Houli for a direct swap, they will be looking for ready made players not draft picks. If you want quality you have to give up quality.
Ridiculous, possibly our best player in the final series, I'd be quite prepared to put up griff or batch. And don't come at me they are reserve players FFS our defense had more credits than the cast in Ben Hur , we can't play everyone.
Batch and R 2-3 pick, job done :shh
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Offer them Houli for a direct swap, they will be looking for ready made players not draft picks. If you want quality you have to give up quality.
Ridiculous, possibly our best player in the final series, I'd be quite prepared to put up griff or batch. And don't come at me they are reserve players FFS our defense had more credits than the cast in Ben Hur , we can't play everyone.
Batch and R 2-3 pick, job done :shh
Final series? We played 1 game bj17 and Houli's brain fade in the 3rd when he should have kept running and had a shot was a momentum killer. Up until that point yep; he'd been good from that point he was average
Houli had a good year but last Sunday was not his finest game of the year
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Yeah I did recall that, 3rd q wasn't it?...was still amongst best players for the game
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Offer them Houli for a direct swap, they will be looking for ready made players not draft picks. If you want quality you have to give up quality.
Ridiculous, possibly our best player in the final series, I'd be quite prepared to put up griff or batch. And don't come at me they are reserve players FFS our defense had more credits than the cast in Ben Hur , we can't play everyone.
Batch and R 2-3 pick, job done :shh
Final series? We played 1 game bj17 and Houli's brain fade in the 3rd when he should have kept running and had a shot was a momentum killer. Up until that point yep; he'd been good from that point he was average
Houli had a good year but last Sunday was not his finest game of the year
Don't think it was a brain fade, players were trying to do the team thing all day. And look for options rather than take it upon themselves to have a ping from 50. Hopefully lesson learnt, in finals someone needs to step and say, 'get around me' ;D
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Yeah I did recall that, 3rd q wasn't it?...was still amongst best players for the game
Amongst best in our team isn't hard considering he was probably ~30th best on the day
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vickery for pick 1.
pick 12 for adams throw in a steak knife like white king or shane edwards to get the deal done.
week in week out you bang on about how poor a player vickery is and now you expect to do a deal with him to land us pick 1?
Yep funniest thing I have heard in a long time, if they had been reading Claws posts throughout the year they would be expecting us to pay to take him off our hands
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From Tiger71 on BF:
"Ok just got off the phone with my mail and I can clarify my previous post about " Experienced player". Now all of this can change as the trade period has not even started yet but hey, keeps us talking and would love to see how all would feel if this happens.
Adams wants the Tigers. Tigers want Adams. GWS have already begun EARLY discussions letting us know that Adams would prefer us and what we could offer. GWS do not want Adams to declare he wants to go to the tigers as that will harm GWS in other deals/trades with other clubs. Adams has agreed but im sure that will change if we cant get the deal done early.
GWS have ASKED ONLY if we would be open to trade one of our experienced players in Foley,Grigg,Jackson, and Morris mould. Now as to what make up, what picks etc ... WAY to EARLY to call but regardless I bet my nuts ADAMS will be a Tiger next year. If we allow one of our leaders go."
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-rumour-discussion.1031264/page-10#post-30105784
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Foley or Grigg maybe not Jacko or Morro
:cheers
But really how often is BF correct with these things?
:lol
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Grigg has just re-signed, so unless he wants out, he can't be traded.
Jackson or Foley for Adams, yes please.
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Grigg has just re-signed, so unless he wants out, he can't be traded.
Jackson or Foley for Adams, yes please.
Both Jackson & Foley re-signed a few months ago as well
So they are i the same boat as Grigg
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But really how often is BF correct with these things?
:lol
Pretty much never. :lol
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Keep Morris. The other three, well I'd be sad to lose Jackson or Foley, good servants.
Grigg would be my preference. Then Foley, then Jackson.
Can't we offer them Titch?
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Keep Morris. The other three, well I'd be sad to lose Jackson or Foley, good servants.
Grigg would be my preference. Then Foley, then Jackson.
Can't we offer them Titch?
yes we can and yes we should
offers little and its time we bit the bullett
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But really how often is BF correct with these things?
:lol
Pretty much never. :lol
Deepthroat007 was always reliable.....
for providing a good laugh
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From Tiger71 on BF:
"Ok just got off the phone with my mail and I can clarify my previous post about " Experienced player". Now all of this can change as the trade period has not even started yet but hey, keeps us talking and would love to see how all would feel if this happens.
Adams wants the Tigers. Tigers want Adams. GWS have already begun EARLY discussions letting us know that Adams would prefer us and what we could offer. GWS do not want Adams to declare he wants to go to the tigers as that will harm GWS in other deals/trades with other clubs. Adams has agreed but im sure that will change if we cant get the deal done early.
GWS have ASKED ONLY if we would be open to trade one of our experienced players in Foley,Grigg,Jackson, and Morris mould. Now as to what make up, what picks etc ... WAY to EARLY to call but regardless I bet my nuts ADAMS will be a Tiger next year. If we allow one of our leaders go."
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-rumour-discussion.1031264/page-10#post-30105784
I just got off the phone where I ordered a pizza. ;D
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Matt Dea just crossed the street to tell me "whoa :shh." Just quietly though.
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Matt Dea just crossed the street to tell me "whoa :shh." Just quietly though.
:clapping
Surely your being deavilish :shh
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He said the Tigers midfield is harder to break into than Fort Knox and we've locked away more talent than Toddlers and Tiaras :shh
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theres just two uncontracted players who have enough currency to get taylor adams that is if they want to go there. martin, conca are it. martin would definately get the deal done plus some. conca geez im not gws would accept that.
heres a list of current players who come out of contract this yr as far as i can gather.
those with genuine currency
martin
conca.
hacks and have no currency
mcguane
nahas
derickx
those who have little currency
white ??
dea
batchelor
griffiths
helbig
elton
arnot
ohanlon.
tuck retired.
we are trying desperately hard to re-sign martin. if they can agree on terms hes safe and is not up for trade.
not sure what is going on with conca .
the simple truth is we realistically have no chance to get adams or longer or any promising kid by useing uncontracted players as bait.they just dont have any currency.
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He said the Tigers midfield is harder to break into than Fort Knox and we've locked away more talent than Toddlers and Tiaras :shh
:ROTFL :thatsgold
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GWS midfielder Taylor Adams was today having a tour of punt road and a meet and greet with Hardwick.
The 19 year old averaged 23 touches this year and would be a handy replacement should Dustin Martin leave.
https://www.stuff.com/TheZanottiFiles
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Richmond takes aim at Taylor Adams as a possible replacement for Dustin Martin
Jay Clark
From: Herald Sun
September 18, 2013 10:00PM
RICHMOND has zeroed in on homesick Giant Taylor Adams as insurance for a Dustin Martin departure.
The Tigers have joined Collingwood in the race for the hard-nut.
The Magpies were thought to be the frontrunner for Adams, who has indicated he wants to come home to Victoria.
But Richmond have quickly swung into action since Martin’s contractual breakdown this week, hastily arranging an interview with Adams.
Geelong and Melbourne were also keen on the out-of-contract on-baller but it is understood Collingwood and Richmond are Adams’ preferred new homes.
It is understood the Pies have salary cap room to fit Adams after delisting much-loved veterans Alan Didak, Ben Johnson, Andrew Krakouer and Darren Jolly.
Defender Heath Shaw’s future is also uncertain.
If Martin decides to leave Punt Rd, the strong-bodied Adams would help fill the Tigers’ midfield void after two impressive seasons at Greater Western Sydney.
Adams, a first-round draft pick who was dubbed a future AFL captain by one recruiting chief, would also help bolster the Tigers’ leadership stocks.
He turns 20 years old on Friday.
The Giants are interested in Martin and could engage Adams, who has played 31 AFL games, as part of a swap with the Tigers.
Richmond is also yet to agree to terms with out-of-contract midfielder Reece Conca, leaving coach Damien Hardwick with a major midfield headache following their first-round finals loss to Carlton.
Adams, a former Geelong Falcon who was taken at pick 13 in the 2011 national draft, has this season averaged 21 possessions and four clearances a game.
The Giants would be keen to re-sign the 180cm midfielder but would trade for the right deal.
Collingwood, who could lose free agent Dale Thomas, has also spoken with Adams and is intent on landing the clearance machine to help partner superstar ball-winner Scott Pendlebury around the stoppages.
The Pies are slated to have pick 12 in the draft and are set to receive pick 13 as compensation for the potential loss of Thomas to Carlton.
Richmond, which finished one spot higher on the ladder than the Pies, would have the selection immediately following Collingwood’s pick.
Adams’ manager, Winston Rous from Phoenix Management Group, would not comment yesterday.
Collingwood received three first round draft picks last year by off-loading Sharrod Wellingham and Chris Dawes.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-takes-aim-at-taylor-adams-as-a-possible-replacement-for-dustin-martin/story-fnfll94y-1226722260935
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I only read of collinshits interest in this kid in the last week ::)
Its been common knowledge of our interest in Taylor for most of the year, yet we have joined collingshit in the race? ::) why isnt there an emoticon for pulling its shlong? :shh
And how the stuff does collingshit always end up with good draft picks for their recycled players? I bet theyll be able to swap their first pick for him now whilst we will use ours on longer or lycett or even angus graham again :shh
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I only read of collinpoos interest in this kid in the last week ::)
Its been common knowledge of our interest in Taylor for most of the year, yet we have joined collingpoo in the race? ::) why isnt there an emoticon for pulling its shlong? :shh
And how the stuff does collingpoo always end up with good draft picks for their recycled players? I bet theyll be able to swap their first pick for him now whilst we will use ours on longer or lycett or even angus graham again :shh
:lol yep. In fact, the article at the start of this thread is from July and it was well known we were interested even well before then.
Stuffers.
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Pretty certain we were looking at drafting him when we picked up Ellis?
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yeah and now apparently a pick 12 with 2 years experience is worth the same as a pick 3 once in a generation talent
FFS
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yeah and now apparently a pick 12 with 2 years experience is worth the same as a pick 3 once in a generation talent
FFS
dusty is worth a #1 + a good player
we could lose him for nothing but on talent he is worth alot.
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His poo for brains offsets his talent somewhat, unfortunately.
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yeah and now apparently a pick 12 with 2 years experience is worth the same as a pick 3 once in a generation talent
FFS
Offield behavior brings down his currency unfortunately.
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yeah but many afl players are dumb as dog shyte
on pure football ability he is worth #1 and a good player
former #3 comming into his 5th season who is light years the best player in his draft pool with a unique talent set
as i said we might get nothing for him but on pure football ablity, age, dusty is worth #1 + patton, or #2 + hogan
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Valid points, but if we do trade him I hardly think it will be for a pick that high up unfortunately.
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I think the dees have reduced their interest so we are now best placed to be bent over by GWS.
As al said the other day it might be a case of accepting the best offer and if that's Adams then so be it.
Don't think we are going to win out of this if clubs keep reducing their interest. Blues, Pies, Dogs, Dees have all said no.
Expect the Lions to also say no after Leppa fills them in so we are stuck with GWS.
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might not be a bad result long term
if they bend us over we can whack them in the next 1-2-3 year poaching some highly talented kids from them paying what we think is a fair price... ie. nothing
itd be silly by them, the club with an unprecedented number of talented young players to pee us up long term as they come out of contract
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i agree 100% bents but Adams for Dusty might be the outcome we end up with. Dees lack of interest, leppa joining lions are all factors that are now against us in trying to maximize our compensation.
Talk of Patton thrown in just wont happen.
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i agree 100% bents but Adams for Dusty might be the outcome we end up with. Dees lack of interest, leppa joining lions are all factors that are now against us in trying to maximize our compensation.
Talk of Patton thrown in just wont happen.
Should get pick 9 plus Adams for Martin no problems.
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might not be a bad result long term
if they bend us over we can whack them in the next 1-2-3 year poaching some highly talented kids from them paying what we think is a fair price... ie. nothing
itd be silly by them, the club with an unprecedented number of talented young players to pee us up long term as they come out of contract
which is one of the reasons why i believe he will not go to them through the PSD unless we are as stupid as essendon, st kilda and port adelaide have been in the past.
Edit in quote
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Spot on Al, free agency has changed the world a little.
If you are an opportunistic club - you leave yourself wide open for a slap later on.
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yeah and now apparently a pick 12 with 2 years experience is worth the same as a pick 3 once in a generation talent
FFS
dusty is worth a #1 + a good player
we could lose him for nothing but on talent he is worth alot.
Spot on lads!
Martin is worth Pick 1!
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I honestly don't think GWS give a poo about not wanting to anger Melbourne clubs. The ruthlessness they've displayed with trying to get the rules changed for the mini draft and keep O'Meara and the fact we went hard for Dom Tyson makes me think they wont give a toss about upsetting us. Hopefully he picks the Lions, they have the pick and players that want out to facilitate a fair deal
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I honestly don't think GWS give a poo about not wanting to anger Melbourne clubs.
Exactly why would they give a crap, they will look after themselves for the immediate future
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If they screw us over the Martin deal our supporters just refuse to attend GWS home games that will hurt their hip pocket big time.
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If they screw us over the Martin deal our supporters just refuse to attend GWS home games that will hurt their hip pocket big time.
More likely they screw us and the army comes in record numbers hoping to see us smash them and Martin
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I honestly don't think GWS give a poo about not wanting to anger Melbourne clubs.
Exactly why would they give a crap, they will look after themselves for the immediate future
GWS stand to lose a lot more players due to the "go home" factor than Melbourne clubs.
I'd have thought it would be smart for them to trade with other clubs while they have the draft picks and establishing themselves or it will bite them on the backside later on.
Anyway, their list is lop sided, they really need to trade and improve the balance of experience and kids.
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exactly. it is a small community and if they set a bad precedent they will be the ones who cop it in the future. They are the club that more to lose than any if they say stuff it, the gloves are off.
There is a reason that no club has convinced a player to walk straight into the PSD draft, it is a scum act, and most people with half a brain understand that what goes around comes around.
If they set a precedent here, any club that finishes last in future years will have no qualms about doing the same to GWS to get some of these top kids back to their home state.
Imagine the incentive of finishing last if it gave you a free pick of a top 10 draft pick with 3-4 years of development under their belt? It would be a greater incentive to tank than has ever existed.
It would get to a point where the AFL would have to either scrap the pre season draft or somehow take an intervention in any potential player trade. Which is why even if GWS did want to go down that path, the AFL would veto it, as they are the owners of GWS.
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@FoxFootyAnalyst twitter:
"From R6-23, Taylor Adams avgd 22 disp, 9 cont poss & 4 clearances - elite numbers for a 19yo. In high demand for a reason. Ready-made mid."
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GWS have to trade, they have already shown that they are interested by showing Martin through the caravan.
If they don't make an approach during trade week and then pick up Dusty in the PSD the AFL will hit them with draft tampering. They can't say we were interested before trade week, then we weren't, now we are again.
They will try and low ball us with their trade offer, no doubt, but if it is too unreasonable the AFL will mediate a fair outcome, nothing surer.
The fact the AFL own them and will be paying Buddy a large chunk of his salary, the Giants will play how the AFL want them to play.
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Gerard Healy on 3AW last night said Collingwood has tabled a 3 year deal worth 1.2M for Taylor Adams.
https://www.stuff.com/TheZanottiFiles
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Maybe if we offer GWS Martin plus a (Thornbury/Northcote) Croxton Roosters franchise in which his best mate can be operations manager, and we get Adam's plus Patton or an early pick. :thumbsup
Win, Win if you Arks me!
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Well since my last post, GWS have now declared they are not interested in Martin. So now taking dusty out of the equation, how do we now snare Adams? I can't see GWS wanting 11 so who from our current list would GWS want? Foley perhaps?
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Well since my last post, GWS have now declared they are not interested in Martin. So now taking dusty out of the equation, how do we now snare Adams? I can't see GWS wanting 11 so who from our current list would GWS want? Foley perhaps?
As already mentioned tiga, Foley was re-signed mid-season for 3 years. Can't see him as an option and even if they offered him for trade he has to agree and don't think he would
What about Tyrone? :rollin
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Well since my last post, GWS have now declared they are not interested in Martin. So now taking dusty out of the equation, how do we now snare Adams? I can't see GWS wanting 11 so who from our current list would GWS want? Foley perhaps?
As already mentioned tiga, Foley was re-signed mid-season for 3 years. Can't see him as an option and even if they offered him for trade he has to agree and don't think he would
What about Tyrone? :rollin
:whistle
Could we be lucky enough to get Adams and pick 10 or even 19 for him?
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Haha Tyrone? They'll laugh at us :rollin
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Haha Tyrone? They'll laugh at us :rollin
In life it is very important that every now and again we share a laugh ;D
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Haha Tyrone? They'll laugh at us :rollin
In life it is very important that every now and again we share a laugh ;D
I certainly had a chuckle at the thought of it :lol Knowing Dimma, and his 'favourites', he'd decline such an offer if it was made!
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Well since my last post, GWS have now declared they are not interested in Martin. So now taking dusty out of the equation, how do we now snare Adams? I can't see GWS wanting 11 so who from our current list would GWS want? Foley perhaps?
As already mentioned tiga, Foley was re-signed mid-season for 3 years. Can't see him as an option and even if they offered him for trade he has to agree and don't think he would
What about Tyrone? :rollin
contacted players can be traded and foley was also dropped for the elimination final, which probably would have been something most would have said would not happen earlier in the year.
if we want addams we have to give up something of note, and i cant think of too many other players that would go close to what GWS want that we would be willing to let go. I've even got doubts that foley would fit the bill.
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Offer GWS Houli for Adams.
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Our first plus Foley or Edwards would do the job Al
Time to be bold and offer up grigg foley or Edwards
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Time to be bold and offer up grigg foley or Edwards
Dimma just spat his coffee all over his MacBook Pro. :help
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Our first plus Foley or Edwards would do the job Al
Time to be bold and offer up grigg foley or Edwards
it's probably a fair trade but GWS want experienced footballers, which is why they are prepared to trade their first draft pick.They feel they have enough young talent at this point, so draft picks probably hold little appeal to them.
In the end i suppose its what clubs like collingwood are prepared to give up which will have a big bearing.
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Well since my last post, GWS have now declared they are not interested in Martin. So now taking dusty out of the equation, how do we now snare Adams? I can't see GWS wanting 11 so who from our current list would GWS want? Foley perhaps?
As already mentioned tiga, Foley was re-signed mid-season for 3 years. Can't see him as an option and even if they offered him for trade he has to agree and don't think he would
What about Tyrone? :rollin
foley signed last year. Already done a year of the deal.
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Well since my last post, GWS have now declared they are not interested in Martin. So now taking dusty out of the equation, how do we now snare Adams? I can't see GWS wanting 11 so who from our current list would GWS want? Foley perhaps?
As already mentioned tiga, Foley was re-signed mid-season for 3 years. Can't see him as an option and even if they offered him for trade he has to agree and don't think he would
What about Tyrone? :rollin
foley signed last year. Already done a year of the deal.
Stand corrected but it still stands he has a contract can't be traded if he doesn't agree
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no one can be traded if they dont agree,regardless of contract status
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Offer GWS Houli for Adams.
Seen this mentioned before.
VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY unlikely to happen.
Bachar is a multicultural ambassador in MELBOURNE for the AFL.
He has strong ties with the Muslim community in MELBOURNE including his family who have bought about 100 Richmond memberships between them.
Would be the absolute last player to want to shift anywhere out of Melbourne.
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We are classes houli as non tradable due to his being Islam
Oh dear
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i think he is saying that Bachar is unlikely to want to move interstate, which he must agree to, to be traded.
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I was just joshing ya
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Couldn't Bachar be a multicultural ambassador in SYDNEY for the AFL. More Muslims in the GREATER WESTERN SYDNEY area than in MELBOURNE.
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Couldn't Bachar be a multicultural ambassador in SYDNEY for the AFL. More Muslims in the GREATER WESTERN SYDNEY area than in MELBOURNE.
Family, family, family
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Rar, Rar, Rar!
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Wgaf ::)
Need to offer our banger and mash combo...
Nahas and macguane plus pick 28 :shh
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Well since my last post, GWS have now declared they are not interested in Martin. So now taking dusty out of the equation, how do we now snare Adams? I can't see GWS wanting 11 so who from our current list would GWS want? Foley perhaps?
As already mentioned tiga, Foley was re-signed mid-season for 3 years. Can't see him as an option and even if they offered him for trade he has to agree and don't think he would
What about Tyrone? :rollin
foley signed last year. Already done a year of the deal.
Stand corrected but it still stands he has a contract can't be traded if he doesn't agree
That applies for uncontracted guys too. My understanding is that he has been informed he will be put up for trade and he's ok with that.
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who tigs, foley?
Thats great news if true but i doubt it very much
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Foley probably. Vickery is too important to the structure.
Foley, a good clubman, but you have to wonder if his best is behind him...
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id still like to shop vickery of to gws for adams and their nd rounder. and yeah i dont rate vickery but most others do.
id like to offer brisbane pick 11 for billy longer and their 3rd rounder. longer has had two yrs of development shows great promise and was a top 10 pick himself.
we lose vickery and pick 11.
we gain adams longer pick 20 and pick 42ish.
we stay in the nd with decent picks all up 20,28, 42, 46, we address a serious ruck need and we gain a bloody good mid who can make an immediate impact.
i would also be looking to find a way thru trades to get say a pick around 15 to 19. not sure how to go about that atm it would likely be too contentious for people on here.
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Or we could do nothing and back Vickery who is currently a better player than Longer to continue improving and pick a player in the draft who can impact (look at our track record in the past 4 years).
What would be less disruptive?
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Or we could do nothing and back Vickery who is currently a better player than Longer to continue improving and pick a player in the draft who can impact (look at our track record in the past 4 years).
What would be less disruptive?
dont really get the comparison. longer is a genuine first ruck who will carry our ruck division for the next 10 yrs.
besides vickery is not a better ruckman than longer even now. the greatest list need we have is a good young ruckman who we can categorically say will take over from maric in the long term, and can fill the breach in the short term.
vickery is not that person i cant see him ever becoming a top ruckman he lacks the mongrel and ticker for the role.
vickery plays primarily as a kpp and i really think hes lacking in that role. imo we may take a step backwards in the short term but mcbean and if they warrant it elton/astbury should be developed in the ones as a kpf these are the players we should be comparing vickery to.
mcbean is doing something vickery is not clunking big overhead marks.
astbury is a hit up key forward whos been forced to play back for what ever reasons.its a joke.
elton is still very much a baby but he ticks one very important box for a kpf and that is he takes big contested marks.
imo vickery is not good enough to become a first ruckman.
imo hes not doing enough big man things if you like to play as a kpf. hes sort of a jack of both trades okay at both but master of none.
even if vickery becomes a very good player adams will too we wont lose on that deal.. thats the deal. its not vickery for longer.
longer for pick 11 is worth doing imo and addresses a need.
do we want adams. if so we need to offer gws a player that will suit their needs and a player that we think we can cover imo we can cover vickery with mcbean.
for me this debate is about hw we get our hands on both longer and adams. both imo will give us more long term than vickery.
sometimes you have to take a step back to take many forward. most tiger fans run from this notion.
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look maybe I have missed something here ,but Bean is not dominant in the marking stakes ,a lot of his goals have come not from marks but rather brilliant ground play
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Until McBean has actually played at AFL level and shown that he can cope at the level, you are taking a big risk by assuming you can dump Vickery and be covered.
Completely different story from VFL. Some make the transition well, some don't. Signs are McBean will be OK but you can't know.
Vickery could do with a fair bit of improvement, but he is not a bad AFL player. At the moment we have no one to take his place. We are looking to play finals again next year. Why would you get rid of him?
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does anyone actually know how the Bean is coming along after his ankle injury? Stig can you tell us?
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does anyone actually know how the Bean is coming along after his ankle injury? Stig can you tell us?
I asked him on twitter and he said good thanks,
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does anyone actually know how the Bean is coming along after his ankle injury? Stig can you tell us?
Had his boot off during elimination final week so he was recovering on schedule.
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Claw why would GWS consider Vickery as a trade option when they already have Cameron, Patton and possibly Buddy assuming he would be shopped around as a KPF? They need defensive talls to help out Davis. Gilliam has proven to be less than spectacular so to get Adams I think we would be better offering Griff or Batch
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.... so to get Adams I think we would be better offering Griff or Batch
Or both. That might tempt them and we lose nothing.
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does anyone actually know how the Bean is coming along after his ankle injury? Stig can you tell us?
Had his boot off during elimination final week so he was recovering on schedule.
good to see you working on weekends. keep up the good work ;D
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does anyone actually know how the Bean is coming along after his ankle injury? Stig can you tell us?
Had his boot off during elimination final week so he was recovering on schedule.
30 goal season next year for the bean
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Haha Tyrone? They'll laugh at us :rollin
In life it is very important that every now and again we share a laugh ;D
They'll laugh at us for trading away a future KP gun for a dime a dozen inside mid
Vickery would be their second best KP player before he even got to Tullamarine
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Claw why would GWS consider Vickery as a trade option when they already have Cameron, Patton and possibly Buddy assuming he would be shopped around as a KPF? They need defensive talls to help out Davis. Gilliam has proven to be less than spectacular so to get Adams I think we would be better offering Griff or Batch
i actually think they need experienced ruckmen and for/rucks. they really only now have giles and a couple of very raw youngsters in downie and philips..
they could do with an experinced real big bodied tall defender for sure but they have jacsch, davis, tomlinson, corr and plowman as tall defenders gilham and tim mohr gives em a bit of experience.reckon they will persevere with their young tall defenders.
in all honesty they wouldnt even look at batchelor and griffiths they have them more than covered with what they have.
adams is a quality footballer they are not going to accept mediocre players who are struggling to get a game at richmond in exchange for him.
i dont think they want draft picks they want decent experienced players who can perform a role. vickery has upside, will be 24 next yr so is not too old and he performs a role they are devoid of players in. they may well thumb their noses up at vickery but at least its a more realistic offer than most are prepared to put up to get adams.
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does anyone actually know how the Bean is coming along after his ankle injury? Stig can you tell us?
I asked him on twitter and he said good thanks,
bj with the mail :shh
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But while the Tigers hoped to be active in the trade period that seems unlikely if both Martin and Conca sign, with GWS midfielder Taylor Adams also harder to acquire.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martin-will-be-welcome-back-at-richmond/story-fndv8t7m-1226724710997
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But while the Tigers hoped to be active in the trade period that seems unlikely if both Martin and Conca sign, with GWS midfielder Taylor Adams also harder to acquire.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martin-will-be-welcome-back-at-richmond/story-fndv8t7m-1226724710997
:facepalm
Club should look at something of value we could trade, or we will regret
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club is under professional management and dont regret decisions they make. whatever happens happens.
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:lol
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agreed EEA.
club needs to be bold so we dont lose to teams like scum in week 1 of the finals.
sticking with our current line up and format wont get us past the lower reaches of the 8.
We need to move past the likes of Nought and Carlton.
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agreed EEA.
club needs to be bold so we dont lose to teams like scum in week 1 of the finals.
sticking with our current line up and format wont get us past the lower reaches of the 8.
We need to move past the likes of Nought and Carlton.
Daniel imagine if our midfield boasted Cotch, Lids, Dusty Conca, Ellis, Vlaustin and Taylor adams. Thats what I regard as elite midfield potential.
Look at how young that group is bar lids who is only 26, throw in Knights, foley and players like jackson, grigg, titch etc dont even get a run through the midfield.
Ramps, We missed out with dom tyson, there has been rumor linked to adams since the start of the year, he has been in our sights and I will be dissapointed if we dont get him. Club needs to make hard calls on established players and make a good offer.
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yep
and that for me means the end of Foley. A good servant he has been but this is what i call being bold.
Failing that i would throw Grigg up as a suitable trade.
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yep
and that for me means the end of Foley. A good servant he has been but this is what i call being bold.
Failing that i would throw Grigg up as a suitable trade.
Most richmond supporters think foley and grigg are duds and not best 22, why would GWS trade a top 10 rated player for steak knives? If Conca went to West Coast would you take Rosa and Dalziel? ::)
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yep
and that for me means the end of Foley. A good servant he has been but this is what i call being bold.
Failing that i would throw Grigg up as a suitable trade.
Most richmond supporters think foley and grigg are duds and not best 22, why would GWS trade a top 10 rated player for steak knives? If Conca went to West Coast would you take Rosa and Dalziel? ::)
maybe i wasnt clear TM. I meant use those as an upgrade or a swap of picks in order to secure Adams.
Of course Foley or Grigg alone wont do the trick.
e.g Adams plus GWS pick 19.
for RFC pick 11 and Foley/Grigg
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That could work
The club knows what theyre doing im sure of that :thumbsup
But it doesnt hurt to speculate or have an opinion.
Weve lost tuck, and newman and king are getting on, we have one battle axe ruckman in Eevan.
We need to be smart and replace what we consider "quality" with even better quality if possible
Time to make the hard desicions and look at all trade options not just delisting blokes x, y, z cos they managed 3 games between them in 4 years. How about looking at the list and saying, yep hes a not bad player but do we want not bad or upgrade?
I agree on chasing, Adams, Longer and if this garlett is available later down the road too.
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yep
and that for me means the end of Foley. A good servant he has been but this is what i call being bold.
Failing that i would throw Grigg up as a suitable trade.
Most richmond supporters think foley and grigg are duds and not best 22, why would GWS trade a top 10 rated player for steak knives? If Conca went to West Coast would you take Rosa and Dalziel? ::)
maybe i wasnt clear TM. I meant use those as an upgrade or a swap of picks in order to secure Adams.
Of course Foley or Grigg alone wont do the trick.
e.g Adams plus GWS pick 19.
for RFC pick 11 and Foley/Grigg
Fair enough mate
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Grigg isn't going anywhere outside of the fact he re-signed in July he is a favourite (for reasons I've never understood ;D) so he wont being moving suburbs let alone interstate ;D
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Well I'm sorry to say then WP we won't be making top 4, 6-10 is our best bet for 14.
Grigg is rubbish. People have found him out with his 22 possession game and 0 pressure acts on a weekly basis.
I don't care if he signed yesterday. Nor do I care if Foley or Edwards did. All 3 are the only value we have left, if Dusty gets signed. Trade one of them
Tough midfielders( sewell, hodge, mitchell, burgoyne, selwood) win grand finals not spuds like him
We need to trade for Adams no ifs buts or maybes
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Well I'm sorry to say then WP we won't be making top 4, 6-10 is our best bet for 14.
Grigg is rubbish. People have found him out with his 22 possession game and 0 pressure acts on a weekly basis.
I don't care if he signed yesterday. Nor do I care if Foley or Edwards did. All 3 are the only value we have left, if Dusty gets signed. Trade one of them
Tough midfielders( sewell, hodge, mitchell, burgoyne, selwood) win grand finals not spuds like him
We need to trade for Adams no ifs buts or maybes
daniel, I'd trade Grigg in a heartbeat. Don't think I've hidden the fact that I don't rate him. His refusal to tackle and as you say his weekly offering of zero pressure acts is the reason I don't rate him.
But as I said he is a favourite so he wont 'be going anywhere, ditto Edwards. Foley perhaps seeing I was wrong about when he was re-signed and this year was year 1 of a 3 year deal. But really I am not sure a GWS would be interested in him with his injury history
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Hows this for an option to get Adams. Pick 11 to the Bombers, Ryder to us and Gumbleton or Hooker to GWS and Adams to us. Probably a stretch but I guess it all depends how desperate the Bombers are wanting to trade into the first round.
Bombers get a first rounder, we get Ryder and Adams and GWS get an experienced Tall. Failing that, is Ryder worth pick 11 on its own?
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11 for Ryder AND Adams...
Where do we sign?
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Robbo in his The Tackle blog is saying we're the frontrunners for Adams.
Comment From Anthony Pettis
Who is the front runner for Taylor Adams?
Mark Robinson
richmond
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/matthew-pavlich-deserves-to-win-a-premiership-writes-mark-robinson/story-fndv8h5w-1226724730378?from=trendinglinks
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According to the Age, GWS want Heath Shaw and a deal with Taylor Adams and picks to Collingwood is being considered :P.
Mark Stevens @Stevo7AFL twitter:
"Fair bit of cash flying around for Taylor Adams. Murmurs of $1.2 mill over 3 years ...."
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:'(
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wow amazing didnt see that coming.
as i have said previously unless your bold in your decision making you will get left behind and wont reach the ultimate prize.
Pies have made a courageous move in putting HS up for trade IMV, just like freo did when they made a play for Lyon.
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According to the Age, GWS want Heath Shaw and a deal with Taylor Adams and picks to Collingwood is being considered :P.
Mark Stevens @Stevo7AFL twitter:
"Fair bit of cash flying around for Taylor Adams. Murmurs of $1.2 mill over 3 years ...."
I'm guessing you took that from Paige's stuff page. That was never stated in The Age.
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:lol tell her to pull her head in Danog FFS. :banghead
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According to the Age, GWS want Heath Shaw and a deal with Taylor Adams and picks to Collingwood is being considered :P.
Mark Stevens @Stevo7AFL twitter:
"Fair bit of cash flying around for Taylor Adams. Murmurs of $1.2 mill over 3 years ...."
I'm guessing you took that from Paige's stuff page. That was never stated in The Age.
SEN reported it :P.
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1/ Shaw has to agree to go to GWS
2/ Adams has to nominate Collingwood as his preferred destination
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Poach some other high talented expansion club player then :banghead
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GWS want experience and leadership. They are trying to build a strong culture. Shaw would not provide the sort of mentoring they are striving for. If GWS are getting one wild card in Buddy, surely Shaw would tip the balance in the wrong direction. They passed on Dusty for similar reasons, I think they will pass on Heath for the same.
Could be wrong of course.... :P
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1/ Shaw has to agree to go to GWS
2/ Adams has to nominate Collingwood as his preferred destination
:lol heater is gonna have to get a boy band haircut to fit in, and pics of ronan keaton taped to the inside of his locker :rollin :lol :shh
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or stapled to his back......
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I reckon there would be a fair bit of bed swappin between the boys at the GWS dorm..... :o
Livin la vida loca :shh
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Hahaha so true.
An announcement on the first gay man will surely come from the boys up north.
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I thought the bummers had that one sewed up
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1/ Shaw has to agree to go to GWS
2/ Adams has to nominate Collingwood as his preferred destination
With his bro living in syd, I don't think he d have too many problems with this deal
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Essendon also in the market for young Giant Adams
By Callum Twomey and Nick Bowen
afl.com.au
6:34pm AEST Wednesday, September 25, 2013
ESSENDON met with Taylor Adams last week as the out-of-contract Greater Western Sydney midfielder makes a call on his future.
Although Collingwood and Richmond are believed to lead the race for the 20-year-old, AFL.com.au understands he met with the Bombers to discuss a possible move to Windy Hill.
The Bombers could have salary cap space to chase Adams if, as expected, half-forward Stewart Crameri leaves the club for a long-term contract at the Western Bulldogs.
Essendon had offered a three-year deal to Crameri.
But the Bombers are seen as only an outside chance to secure the Victorian if he chooses to leave the Giants, given the club was stripped of its first two picks at the NAB AFL Draft.
If Adams departs GWS, the Magpies (pick 10) and Tigers (pick 11) hold draft selections which could make a deal more achievable.
AFL.com.au understands Adams is yet to receive a new contract offer from the Giants despite playing 31 games in his first two seasons.
Greater Western Sydney's major focus as October's trade period approaches is on its bid to land Hawthorn free agent Lance Franklin.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-25/dons-in-market-for-adams
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Franklin deal squeezing Adams out: Lucas
Brett Anderson
SEN
6.34PM 25-9-2013
Homesick GWS Giants midfielder Taylor Adams’ manager Scott Lucas has told SEN that he has received interest from most Victorian clubs.
Adams has indicated his wish to return to Victoria with Richmond, Collingwood and Melbourne considered the frontrunners to secure his services.
“Most [Victorian clubs] are interested,” Lucas revealed.
“He was open-minded [to staying in Sydney] for a long time. We waited on the negotiation just to see how he adjusted to life in Sydney.
“They’ve [GWS] got other irons in the fire that they deem a higher priority than Taylor Adams, so in the best interests of our client we gather interest from other parties.”
Lucas said that any potential deals involving GWS will be held up until they receive a definitive answer from Hawthorn superstar Lance Franklin.
“A lot for GWS rests on what Lance Franklin does – I think that they’ve tied up an amount of their salary cap based on him coming and that’s their plan at the minute.
“If that was to fail, I’m sure the deck of cards would shuffle very, very quickly.”
Whilst Lucas said that Adams didn’t have a preference for which club he would like to go to, he said that the ability to get a deal done can depend on a number of different factors.
“When you sit down and do it, there will always be a preference for where a player wants to go, but a really important consideration for the player, the club that is his preference, and the club that currently holds the rights to him, is the ability to get a deal done,” he said.
http://www.sen.com.au/display-article-2013/Franklin-deal-squeezing-Adams-out-Lucas/61870
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The Tigers remain in the hunt for Giants midfielder Taylor Adams. Adams is out-of-contract with Collingwood having already tabled a big offer. Despite this it is believed that Richmond are his club of choice. Although not as explosive as Martin, the 20-year old would be a more than adequate replacement.
Likelihood Meter
Adams – 75%
http://www.sen.com.au/trades
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I didn't realise Dusty had left the club :wallywink
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1/ Shaw has to agree to go to GWS
2/ Adams has to nominate Collingwood as his preferred destination
With his bro living in syd, I don't think he d have too many problems with this deal
Gws or sydney, I think he would prefer Sydney.
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Hahaha so true.
An announcement on the first gay man will surely come from the boys up north.
Billy Longer wants out
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Billy Longer has a bit of a pornstar ring to it
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Billy Longer has a bit of a pornstar ring to it
Billy Schlonger
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...with Collingwood having already tabled a big offer. Despite this it is believed that Richmond are his club of choice....
Definitely My favourite part of the saga so far. Who'd ever wanna go to the flogpies.... Get it DONE tigers!
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Brett Anderson from Inside Football:
@Jonesracing82 - "at this stage, where do you think T.Adams will end up?"
@BrettAndersonIF - "Gut feel...Pies. Just think they are better placed to get a deal done and have more cap room. Things can change though."
@ukeepa - "hi brett can the tiges fit Adams in with Martin ? "
@BrettAndersonIF - "Will be a stretch and their ability to get a deal with GWS done may be an issue."
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stuff I hate the filth :facepalm :chuck
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I love how they choke in grand finals :cheers
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I love how they choke in grand finals :cheers
Michael Hutchence of footy :cheers
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:clapping
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It's one thing to improve your list with the Houli's and Griggs but when you get to our stage in development, first and foremost, each year you need to improve your best 22. This kid will definitely do that from what I have seen of him. But we need to find a way to get him and also keep our pick 11.
We need to add two quality players to our best 22. Even the premiers add at least one good kid and if you are to bridge the gap you need two. It also pushes the last 2 out that usually get a game.
GWS are going to want one or even two decent, mature players IMO instead of more draft picks. So for me, if you are not in the best 22 or you are borderline, and simular to others on the list, than you are expendable. The likes of S.Edwards, Batchelor, Bachar, Grigg, McGuane, Jackson, Helbig, White, Arnot are all replaceable and wouldn't really be missed if they went. I know a few have had good seasons, but there is only so many spots in the 22. And of those I have mentioned, I recon we need an upgrade on those that are currently getting a game now.
The Tigers need to be "bold" just like our song says, and make some tough calls. It's the only way we can bridge that fairly big gap between us and the top couple of sides. The Pies seemed to be heading in that direction putting up a player like Shaw.
Interesting month ahead.
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I love how they choke in grand finals :cheers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycYpie31L0g
;D
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I love how they choke in grand finals :cheers
As opposed to choking in the first elimination final?
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I love how they choke in grand finals :cheers
As opposed to choking in the first elimination final?
>:(
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I love how they choke in grand finals :cheers
As opposed to choking in the first elimination final?
>:(
>:( >:(
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$400k 3 year deal on offer from the Pies (will be on the same sort of coin as Dayne Beams) - which is the highest offer he's received.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/taylor-adams-tigers-show-interest.1021127/page-31#post-30340919
With Thomas now likely re-signing with Collingwood and them chasing Jesse White (a swap with Shaw?), I'm not sure how they can still get Adams as well.
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$400k 3 year deal on offer from the Pies (will be on the same sort of coin as Dayne Beams) - which is the highest offer he's received.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/taylor-adams-tigers-show-interest.1021127/page-31#post-30340919
With Thomas now likely re-signing with Collingwood and them chasing Jesse White (a swap with Shaw?), I'm not sure how they can still get Adams as well.
Jolly and Didak would have been on some fair coin I'd imagine.
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It's one thing to improve your list with the Houli's and Griggs but when you get to our stage in development, first and foremost, each year you need to improve your best 22. This kid will definitely do that from what I have seen of him. But we need to find a way to get him and also keep our pick 11.
We need to add two quality players to our best 22. Even the premiers add at least one good kid and if you are to bridge the gap you need two. It also pushes the last 2 out that usually get a game.
GWS are going to want one or even two decent, mature players IMO instead of more draft picks. So for me, if you are not in the best 22 or you are borderline, and simular to others on the list, than you are expendable. The likes of S.Edwards, Batchelor, Bachar, Grigg, McGuane, Jackson, Helbig, White, Arnot are all replaceable and wouldn't really be missed if they went.
reckon we can either trade for players and use up what good picks we have or we can embrace the draft with early picks.
imo we cant do both.
people are not paying attention. taylor adams is a high quality player he could we;ll end up in the top echelon of players from all clubs.
lets see. a hypothetical.
lets use nick vlastuin as an example.
hes just got thru his first yr and hes done more than expected. he looks great. lets say next yr he takes it up another notch as well and ends up with more improvement like adams has atm. adams is very impressive for a kid who has played for just two yrs at the level. like adams vlastuin ticks most boxes he has poise good skills makes good decisions is tough is a leader and atm adams can really win a lot of ball and does get a lot of ball. in oither words the quality word should be used.
i have to ask knowing what vlastuin should/will become what is acceptable to us if say he wanted to theoretically go home to gws. would we in all seriousness accept one or two of
s edwards, batchelor, houli, grigg, mcguane, jackson, helbig, white, arnot. the simple answer is we would laugh our heads off.
we would only accept a quality player in return failing that a very good draft pick or picks.
so why would gws accept for adams any thing less than we would ourselves.
imo we dont have any players they would accept that fit into what is acceptable except our better young players.
to trade one of them out for adams would mean we tread water gaining little.an upgrade on an already good player. the idea is to add on and significantly improve our list for the long term.
reckon to trade for adams and not use pick 11 we need to look at what quality players we have and who we can most afford to lose and who we can cover.
theres not many who actually fit the bill to trade for quality players. and they cant be replaced. imo the only real thing we can offer up for adams is pick 11. if we get adams we will not have pick 11 or we will be one less quality player short.
all up i reckon theres 8 or 9 players we could trade who have real value when trading for a quality player to come in. most of em are required players in the right age group and to trade em out defeats the purpose.
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Yup, need to part with pick 11 for Adams which is worth it IMO. I'd be pretty confident in saying the player we draft at 11 would be similar to Adams in quality (maybe better, maybe not), minus the 2 years AFL experience though.
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you are correct JVT, but GWS have said they want experienced players, which is why they have put pick 1 on the table.
sure it possibly will come down to take what you get, ( and other factors such as what they may get for pick 1) but if someone else can offer a player that GWS find appealing they will probably do their best to convince adams to go there.
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you are correct JVT, but GWS have said they want experienced players, which is why they have put pick 1 on the table.
sure it possibly will come down to take what you get, ( and other factors such as what they may get for pick 1) but if someone else can offer a player that GWS find appealing they will probably do their best to convince adams to go there.
Agree, not saying that will get it done, but that is the price for him. I don't think we have any senior players they'd be after either.
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It's one thing to improve your list with the Houli's and Griggs but when you get to our stage in development, first and foremost, each year you need to improve your best 22. This kid will definitely do that from what I have seen of him. But we need to find a way to get him and also keep our pick 11.
We need to add two quality players to our best 22. Even the premiers add at least one good kid and if you are to bridge the gap you need two. It also pushes the last 2 out that usually get a game.
GWS are going to want one or even two decent, mature players IMO instead of more draft picks. So for me, if you are not in the best 22 or you are borderline, and simular to others on the list, than you are expendable. The likes of S.Edwards, Batchelor, Bachar, Grigg, McGuane, Jackson, Helbig, White, Arnot are all replaceable and wouldn't really be missed if they went.
reckon we can either trade for players and use up what good picks we have or we can embrace the draft with early picks.
imo we cant do both.
people are not paying attention. taylor adams is a high quality player he could we;ll end up in the top echelon of players from all clubs.
lets see. a hypothetical.
lets use nick vlastuin as an example.
hes just got thru his first yr and hes done more than expected. he looks great. lets say next yr he takes it up another notch as well and ends up with more improvement like adams has atm. adams is very impressive for a kid who has played for just two yrs at the level. like adams vlastuin ticks most boxes he has poise good skills makes good decisions is tough is a leader and atm adams can really win a lot of ball and does get a lot of ball. in oither words the quality word should be used.
i have to ask knowing what vlastuin should/will become what is acceptable to us if say he wanted to theoretically go home to gws. would we in all seriousness accept one or two of
s edwards, batchelor, houli, grigg, mcguane, jackson, helbig, white, arnot. the simple answer is we would laugh our heads off.
we would only accept a quality player in return failing that a very good draft pick or picks.
so why would gws accept for adams any thing less than we would ourselves.
imo we dont have any players they would accept that fit into what is acceptable except our better young players.
to trade one of them out for adams would mean we tread water gaining little.an upgrade on an already good player. the idea is to add on and significantly improve our list for the long term.
reckon to trade for adams and not use pick 11 we need to look at what quality players we have and who we can most afford to lose and who we can cover.
theres not many who actually fit the bill to trade for quality players. and they cant be replaced. imo the only real thing we can offer up for adams is pick 11. if we get adams we will not have pick 11 or we will be one less quality player short.
all up i reckon theres 8 or 9 players we could trade who have real value when trading for a quality player to come in. most of em are required players in the right age group and to trade em out defeats the purpose.
So you don't think a combination of any two of these guys, Edwards, Jackson, Grigg, McGuane, White or Houli would get it done? All have over 100 games experience at AFL level, mostly all with finals experience, all with solid bodies, and some with leadership experience. I know you don't rate any of those guys but you really don't rate many on our list, if any??
Remember this kid wants out of GWS and I'm pretty sure they don't want more draft picks.
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its all bs, he wants to come to us, we will do a deal and get him, stuff Collingwood, GWS isn't Melbourne, they won't suck them in lol
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GWS will give up their Pick 1 to the hawks for Buddy.
Tiger swap pick 11 or the Pies swap pick 10 for Adams.
I think we should get him but the offer that the pies put on the table is fairly steep though particularly given what we are offering Dusty. They would know this and be trying to exploit the situation. I hope we can find a way. :pray
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GWS will give up their Pick 1 to the hawks for Buddy.
Tiger swap pick 11 or the Pies swap pick 10 for Adams.
I think we should get him but the offer that the pies put on the table is fairly steep though particularly given what we are offering Dusty. They would know this and be trying to exploit the situation. I hope we can find a way. :pray
No they wont, they get buddy for free as hes a free agent
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:yep
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GWS will give up their Pick 1 to the hawks for Buddy.
Tiger swap pick 11 or the Pies swap pick 10 for Adams.
I think we should get him but the offer that the pies put on the table is fairly steep though particularly given what we are offering Dusty. They would know this and be trying to exploit the situation. I hope we can find a way. :pray
No they wont, they get buddy for free as hes a free agent
Really :-[ :badidea :booboo
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The Pies want to trade Shaw and have targeted young Giants’ hard-nut on-baller Taylor Adams in a potential straight swap.
It is believed Collingwood is Adams preferred new home, but the straight swap relies on Shaw accepting a challenging leadership role with the young Giants under new coach Leon Cameron.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/collingwood-is-lining-up-either-taylor-adams-or-pick-no2-for-heath-shaw/story-fnfll94y-1226729469474#mm-breached
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:facepalm :chuck stuff collingwood
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The Pies want to trade Shaw and have targeted young Giants’ hard-nut on-baller Taylor Adams in a potential straight swap.
It is believed Collingwood is Adams preferred new home, but the straight swap relies on Shaw accepting a challenging leadership role with the young Giants under new coach Leon Cameron.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/collingwood-is-lining-up-either-taylor-adams-or-pick-no2-for-heath-shaw/story-fnfll94y-1226729469474#mm-breached
His preferred home is not Collingwood gagf magots
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How do you know mrakov? did ge tell you
Think we are pushing poo up hill to land him now
Time to move on.
Pies win
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Taylor Adam's manager will be on Trade Week Radio on the AFL website at 1.10pm today.
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From Tiger71 from BF:
"Love the sun, Adams has recommend collingwood as his preferred place. Lot of rubbish.
I have it from a really good authority who is actually considered one of Adams best mates ,ran into him in Bundoora...used to love charcol chicken at university hill. That Adams is all but sold on the Tigers. Adams is annoyed that GWS has basically said FU Buddy is more important in regards to contract negotiations so I would not be surprised if sooner other then later that Adams comes out and officially states Richmond has his preferred club......"
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/taylor-adams-tigers-show-interest.1021127/page-34#post-30381138
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Taylor Adam's manager will be on Trade Week Radio on the AFL website at 1.10pm today.
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From Tiger71 from BF:
"Love the sun, Adams has recommend collingwood as his preferred place. Lot of rubbish.
I have it from a really good authority who is actually considered one of Adams best mates ,ran into him in Bundoora...used to love charcol chicken at university hill. That Adams is all but sold on the Tigers. Adams is annoyed that GWS has basically said FU Buddy is more important in regards to contract negotiations so I would not be surprised if sooner other then later that Adams comes out and officially states Richmond has his preferred club......"
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/taylor-adams-tigers-show-interest.1021127/page-34#post-30381138
This would be great if true but...... :-\
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Taylor Adam's manager will be on Trade Week Radio on the AFL website at 1.10pm today.
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From Tiger71 from BF:
"Love the sun, Adams has recommend collingwood as his preferred place. Lot of rubbish.
I have it from a really good authority who is actually considered one of Adams best mates ,ran into him in Bundoora...used to love charcol chicken at university hill. That Adams is all but sold on the Tigers. Adams is annoyed that GWS has basically said FU Buddy is more important in regards to contract negotiations so I would not be surprised if sooner other then later that Adams comes out and officially states Richmond has his preferred club......"
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/taylor-adams-tigers-show-interest.1021127/page-34#post-30381138
I have it on good authority that he prefers Northcote charcoal chicken now
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we dont really have an out of contract player that would suit gws.
at the end of the day adams is out of contract if he nominates us their is little difference between pick 10 and 11. its what we can throw in that matters.
the out of contract players we have are
martin obviously. the way things are going martin for adams plus pick 9 would be good. trouble is they are prepared to wait for the psd and take him there if we dont come to terms.
nahas - has no trade value.
a edwards - just too old for them to trade for.
white - may possibly have done enough this yr to have value for them. ticks the experience side of it.
mcguane - could give em a chop out for a yr or two while they devolop other talls. imo he has no value at all.
derickx - nope
helbig - im hoping we keep him and he develops into something. they have better credentialled kids.
batchelor - could be worth something he has had some injury issues. will be 22 in feb and has what 40 odd games to his credit.
dea - again the lck of experience nope.
elton - nope lacks exerience they have better credentialled talls
ohanlon - nope again see elton.
tuck retired.
we dont have much to offer. someone like foley would probably please em. if nathan were agreeable how about picks 11 46 + foley for adams and pick 20 and 38.. or similar give or take.
the other one is if adams nominates us offer them martin get pick 9.
use our pick 11 on longer.
we gain
adams, longer + 9,
lose martin + 11
still have 9 28 46 and 64.
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His manager on trade week radio said that he'll nominate a club by the end of this week and that Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon and Richmond have spoken to him.
I think he'll nominate Collingwood because they have been the most successful in recent times and will do the best trade and $$$
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Claw why limit it to out of contract players...
To get quality in, we may have to let someone of value go.
We might have to trade a Griffiths or Astbury or Foley to get an Adams through the door. Alternatively he goes into the psd and most likely someone before us will pounce for sure ala Port and JMac when we were interested in him and ended up gettong O'Hanlon instead.
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beat me to it Tigger.
It doesnt have to be an uncontracted player to trade. All that needs to happen is the player in question agrees.
The only issue with a contracted player is that if the new club offer less than his current contract, then the current club have to pay the difference.
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I'd say Collingwood will be in the box seat, trade wise. Heath Shaw seems the likely trade bait. So we've gotta compete with that, which WOULD mean giving away something we might want to keep. Axle seems like choice, but he may not want to leave. I know there's rumors going around saying Adams wants the tigs, but in the end, if collingwood offer the better trade option, I'm sure he'll end up heading there. For mine, seems unlikely.
However I will say this. I believe Richmond have been the best performed club over the off-season with trades etc over the last 3-4 years. If that form continues, well, you never know. Get it DONE tigers!
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beat me to it Tigger.
It doesnt have to be an uncontracted player to trade. All that needs to happen is the player in question agrees.
The only issue with a contracted player is that if the new club offer less than his current contract, then the current club have to pay the difference.
I reckon GWS would absolutely salivate over Grimes if he was offered but I reckon this place would go into meltdown if we did. But lets look at the facts. We have won against quality opposition without him (Hawks, Freo). We only won 4 of the 9 games he played in (Saints, Dogs, GWS, Bombers) and finally He could be only one more serious leg injury away from having to give up the game up all together.
I would offer Grimes for Adams in a heartbeat and also try a swap of picks in the deal to get better than 11. :outtahere
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beat me to it Tigger.
It doesnt have to be an uncontracted player to trade. All that needs to happen is the player in question agrees.
The only issue with a contracted player is that if the new club offer less than his current contract, then the current club have to pay the difference.
I reckon GWS would absolutely salivate over Grimes if he was offered but I reckon this place would go into meltdown if we did. But lets look at the facts. We have won against quality opposition without him (Hawks, Freo). We only won 4 of the 9 games he played in (Saints, Dogs, GWS, Bombers) and finally He could be only one more serious leg injury away from having to give up the game up all together.
I would offer Grimes for Adams in a heartbeat and also try a swap of picks in the deal to get better than 11. :outtahere
Reckon we'll have to trade down picks if we get this one done. Chances of us getting a better pick than 11 are next to nothing. I'd be happy to trade down picks from 11 to land this guy. Remeber, Ellis was taken at 15. Best player we've grabbed since martin (although Tigger seems likely to be a genuine ripper).
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beat me to it Tigger.
It doesnt have to be an uncontracted player to trade. All that needs to happen is the player in question agrees.
The only issue with a contracted player is that if the new club offer less than his current contract, then the current club have to pay the difference.
I reckon GWS would absolutely salivate over Grimes if he was offered but I reckon this place would go into meltdown if we did. But lets look at the facts. We have won against quality opposition without him (Hawks, Freo). We only won 4 of the 9 games he played in (Saints, Dogs, GWS, Bombers) and finally He could be only one more serious leg injury away from having to give up the game up all together.
I would offer Grimes for Adams in a heartbeat and also try a swap of picks in the deal to get better than 11. :outtahere
probably the sort of deal that it would take.
Been a fan of grimes from the first time i saw him though, so even allowing for his injury probs it would be sad to see him go.
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Taylor Adams' manager Winston Rous says Adams has met with the Pies, Cats, Blues, Bombers and Tigers.
Winston Rous says Taylor Adams is going to look at opportunities down in Victoria
Rous says there's a "very slight" chance Adams could stay with GWS. "More likely than not he'll be making his way back to Vic"
Collingwood recruiting manager Derek Hine confirmed the Pies are one of many clubs to interview Taylor Adams. "We've certainly got a strong interest".
https://twitter.com/traderadio
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beat me to it Tigger.
It doesnt have to be an uncontracted player to trade. All that needs to happen is the player in question agrees.
The only issue with a contracted player is that if the new club offer less than his current contract, then the current club have to pay the difference.
And also the trade doesn't have to be direct.
As an example Shed could be traded to Port or Adelaide and they satisfy GWS.
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beat me to it Tigger.
It doesnt have to be an uncontracted player to trade. All that needs to happen is the player in question agrees.
The only issue with a contracted player is that if the new club offer less than his current contract, then the current club have to pay the difference.
I reckon GWS would absolutely salivate over Grimes if he was offered but I reckon this place would go into meltdown if we did. But lets look at the facts. We have won against quality opposition without him (Hawks, Freo). We only won 4 of the 9 games he played in (Saints, Dogs, GWS, Bombers) and finally He could be only one more serious leg injury away from having to give up the game up all together.
I would offer Grimes for Adams in a heartbeat and also try a swap of picks in the deal to get better than 11. :outtahere
Surely Astbury has to be considered as trade bait to land Adams, and keep the Tigers in the 1st round.
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Astbury for Adams?
:lol
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Daath can't see that happening for a number 3 selection unfortunately.
Unless we offer say pick 11 and Astbury, or a grigg or foley plus pick 11.
This is where filth and peptides will be able to trade out either experience or kpp.
We don't have the kpp in abundance and the experienced players we could trade are favourites :-\
I really want the club to get the kid, but I'm bracing for him to go to filth and become a great got billing bogan.
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Has a bit of the Cotchin type footballer in him. Richmond have shown a lot of interest in the past & this could help in getting him to the club. The possibility of playing in front of the loudest & proudest supporters ;D
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Has a good mate at Richmond plus Choco - hope he nominates us!
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Nathan Foley & a 3nd round pick
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Nathan Foley & a 3nd round pick
Foley and 11 for Adams and 19.
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Nathan Foley & a 3nd round pick
Foley and 11 for Adams and 19.
I think thats what they (gws) would be looking at imo
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Nathan Foley & a 3nd round pick
Foley and 11 for Adams and 19.
I think thats what they (gws) would be looking at imo
Crazy not to do that.
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Daath can't see that happening for a number 3 selection unfortunately.
Adams went pick 13 in a heavily diluted draft, not #3
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Daath can't see that happening for a number 3 selection unfortunately.
Adams went pick 13 in a heavily diluted draft, not #3
Oh dear :-[ well that changes everything, these greedy lil phuckers! :banghead
Pick 11 and angus graham then. :shh
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Quite possible I guess that with Buddy no longer GWS bound that Adams could be convinced to hang around.
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Its quite clear that GWS desperately need KPD's. Unless we can offer them anything tasty in that area then we have no chance of snaring him unless we do a deal with the Bombers where they get our pick 11 and they give GWS one of Hocking, Ryder, Myers or Hooker and we then get Adams.
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Its quite clear that GWS desperately need KPD's. Unless we can offer them anything tasty in that area then we have no chance of snaring him unless we do a deal with the Bombers where they get our pick 11 and they give GWS one of Hocking, Ryder, Myers or Hooker and we then get Adams.
Give them Dea and Foley
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Its quite clear that GWS desperately need KPD's. Unless we can offer them anything tasty in that area then we have no chance of snaring him unless we do a deal with the Bombers where they get our pick 11 and they give GWS one of Hocking, Ryder, Myers or Hooker and we then get Adams.
Give them McGuane. He used to be a defender right? ;)
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What I want to know is all the hype about adams similar to josh caddy last year?I mean he hasn't exactly set the world on fire at the cattery
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What I want to know is all the hype about adams similar to josh caddy last year?I mean he hasn't exactly set the world on fire at the cattery
lol....Adams is nothing like Caddy! Adams is a tough hard inside mid with runs on the board.
All the Hype regarding Caddy was based on him being a former pick 7.
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Not really sure if any GWS player other than Cameron has significant runs on the board
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Not really sure if any GWS player other than Cameron has significant runs on the board
Really? How did you rate Dusty's first two seasons?
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Contracted or not, why hasn't S.Edwards name come up as trade bait in this particular trade, pick 11 with Edwards might just do it....
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Contracted or not, why hasn't S.Edwards name come up as trade bait in this particular trade, pick 11 with Edwards might just do it....
Maybe because trade week hasent started yet :huh
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Dusty played for GWS?
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Dusty played for GWS?
No! I'm asking you what you though of Dusty in his first two seasons?
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I thought dustys first season was very good .his second was meh as shown by his lower finish in the B&F.However how is this relevant to the discussion on GWS and adams?
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Contracted or not, why hasn't S.Edwards name come up as trade bait in this particular trade, pick 11 with Edwards might just do it....
Maybe because trade week hasent started yet :huh
I meant on this forum... :whistle
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Contracted or not, why hasn't S.Edwards name come up as trade bait in this particular trade, pick 11 with Edwards might just do it....
You might be waiting as I have been for 8 years.
Forget it we haven't got the gonads to trade this whimp
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I thought dustys first season was very good .his second was meh as shown by his lower finish in the B&F.However how is this relevant to the discussion on GWS and adams?
The relevance is that Adams stats poo on Dustys in the first two seasons.
The kid has walked the walk unlike Caddy.
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What are people's thought on trading Shed for Adams :lol
Sounds like a fair trade :lol
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;D
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What are people's thought on trading Shed for Adams :lol
Sounds like a fair trade :lol
Quote all of my post, don't be a fool, pick 11 and Edwards for him.
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Wat I think Edwards alone will do it. Lets be honest his worth barely a second rounder the way his player since drafted
Think Foley plus our first pick might be close
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Wat I think Edwards alone will do it. Lets be honest his worth barely a second rounder the way his player since drafted
Think Foley plus our first pick might be close
I still think Foley has a bit to offer, but for Adams I would trade him, maybe Foley, Edwards and a second round pick. Or Foley and a second rounder.
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Why Would they want Edwards??? They already have a stack of outside mids. As I have said before, they need KPD's!!
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I think Foley ic the only player we have that will get it done.
As others have said this could also be done in a 3 way deal with another club which is the most likely scenario IMO.
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Why Would they want Edwards??? They already have a stack of outside mids. As I have said before, they need KPD's!!
I have it on good authority that they Want Edwards simply because WAT doesn't ;)
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Why Would they want Edwards??? They already have a stack of outside mids. As I have said before, they need KPD's!!
Edwards an outside mid? Is that a misprint Tiga?
Surely it is
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Why Would they want Edwards??? They already have a stack of outside mids. As I have said before, they need KPD's!!
Edwards an outside mid? Is that a misprint Tiga?
Surely it is
Outside mid/small forward?
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Why Would they want Edwards??? They already have a stack of outside mids. As I have said before, they need KPD's!!
Edwards an outside mid? Is that a misprint Tiga?
Surely it is
Outside mid/small forward?
With sublime foot shanking skills
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So what's our chances looking like now - I'm worried that Collingwood will now snare Adams in a trade involving Shaw. :'(
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What are people's thought on trading Shed for Adams :lol
Sounds like a fair trade :lol
Quote all of my post, don't be a fool, pick 11 and Edwards for him.
11 and Shane ?
:o
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My mail is we re in the box seat to land this kid, no 11 should get it done with maybe dea or helbig thrown in as steak knives :shh
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My mail is we re in the box seat to land this kid, no 11 should get it done with maybe dea or helbig thrown in as steak knives :shh
You mean the same Dea & Helbig that were publicly challenged by the coach at the B&F last night to step up and improve in season 2014? Those 2?
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thank you WP. so it was those 2. Interesting.
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Yes those, two, the best way they can improve the Tigers lot is to step up and be traded lol
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thank you WP. so it was those 2. Interesting.
There were a number of players named and challenged last night daniel. At least 8-10 named that I can remember
Always pay attention when the coach names players, usually means they are staying ;D
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Ever since this kids name came up as possibly wanting to head home, I made a special effort to watch his games. Only thing i remembered about him is he was most likely coming to us before we downgraded our first pick to get Morris and took Ellis with our next pick. IMO he is a player that would compliment our midfield massively. He is a really hard worker on and off the ball and uses the ball well. He is a no fuss competitive machine that seems to have his head screwed on the right way.
Really hope our admin have learnt by what Sydney have been able to do the last two years and JUST MAKE THIS poo HAPPEN!
Be bold Tigers, we are not here to make friends, we are here to win premierships. We have an opportunity be bolster our best 22 next year with someone who can make an instant impact.
If they want key position players offer them any or all of Griffiths, Elton, Astbury, Batchelor, McGuane.
If they want big bodied mids offer them any of Grigg, Edwards, Houli, Jackson, Helbig, or Arnot.
Or if they want forwards offer them any of Nahas or O'Hanlon.
Or a combination of any of these expendable players.
All of the above are not in my best 22, two together might get a player that is :pray
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thank you WP. so it was those 2. Interesting.
There were a number of players named and challenged last night daniel. At least 8-10 named that I can remember
Always pay attention when the coach names players, usually means they are staying ;D
So who wasn't named that might be part of a trade?
:cheers
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thank you WP. so it was those 2. Interesting.
There were a number of players named and challenged last night daniel. At least 8-10 named that I can remember
Always pay attention when the coach names players, usually means they are staying ;D
So who wasn't named that might be part of a trade?
:cheers
He basically named all the guys we drafted over the last 3 years, with Griffiths the only one longer than that being named.
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Wrong thread, sorry.
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thank you WP. so it was those 2. Interesting.
There were a number of players named and challenged last night daniel. At least 8-10 named that I can remember
Always pay attention when the coach names players, usually means they are staying ;D
So who wasn't named that might be part of a trade?
:cheers
Astbury :shh
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So who wasn't named that might be part of a trade?
:cheers
check it out for yourself: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-10-01/jack-dyer-medal-damian-hardwick
no surprise but nahas wasnt named
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Trade Jack
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Astbury was named in his speech along side a few other defenders.
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thank you WP. so it was those 2. Interesting.
There were a number of players named and challenged last night daniel. At least 8-10 named that I can remember
Always pay attention when the coach names players, usually means they are staying ;D
So who wasn't named that might be part of a trade?
:cheers
He basically named all the guys we drafted over the last 3 years, with Griffiths the only one longer than that being named.
One that shocked me was O'Hanlon to be honest, looks like he is staying
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Astbury was named in his speech along side a few other defenders.
Yep Dave Astbury got a mention, along with Elton, Dea, Helbig who like O'Hanlon I thought would be border line as keepers
Actually I don't even remember seeing Nahas at the B&F
Will stand corrected but don't remember seeing him there :-\
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thank you WP. so it was those 2. Interesting.
There were a number of players named and challenged last night daniel. At least 8-10 named that I can remember
Always pay attention when the coach names players, usually means they are staying ;D
So who wasn't named that might be part of a trade?
:cheers
He basically named all the guys we drafted over the last 3 years, with Griffiths the only one longer than that being named.
One that shicked me was O'Hanlon to be honest, looks like he is staying
Is being shicked a mixture of shocked and sh! tted off?
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Collingwadd trying to buy this bloke with mega $$$$ hope he chooses us for less so we can stick it up them
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Astbury was named in his speech along side a few other defenders.
Yep Dave Astbury got a mention, along with Elton, Dea, Helbig who like O'Hanlon I thought would be border line as keepers
Actually I don't even remember seeing Nahas at the B&F
Will stand corrected but don't remember seeing him there :-\
I didnt see him there either...not saying he wasnt there but I never saw him.
Anyone else see Nahas on Monday night at the b&f?
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Collingwadd trying to buy this bloke with mega $$$$ hope he chooses us for less so we can stick it up them
C4 on BF says he has chosen the Pies....
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Is being shicked a mixture of shocked and sh! tted off?
:yep :yep
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Pies offer more and we wonder why he chooses them. Dan Richo thinks we are still the 70's superpower and that everyone wants to play for us for chips
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Who says he has chosen the Pies? Some dude on BF and its gospel? :rollin
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Who says he has chosen the Pies? Some dude on BF and its gospel? :rollin
I'd be surprised if that dude got it wrong
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Pies offer more and we wonder why he chooses them. Dan Richo thinks we are still the 70's superpower and that everyone wants to play for us for chips
Well if they're the chips from Northcote Charcoal chicken..... maybe :shh
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Pies offer more and we wonder why he chooses them. Dan Richo thinks we are still the 70's superpower and that everyone wants to play for us for chips
Well if they're the chips from Northcote Charcoal chicken..... maybe :shh
Dry chips
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AFL trade talk is saying he wants to go to Collingwood.
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Who says he has chosen the Pies? Some dude on BF and its gospel? :rollin
I'd be surprised if that dude got it wrong
Why, who is it? I don't go on BF...
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Astbury was named in his speech along side a few other defenders.
Yep Dave Astbury got a mention, along with Elton, Dea, Helbig who like O'Hanlon I thought would be border line as keepers
Actually I don't even remember seeing Nahas at the B&F
Will stand corrected but don't remember seeing him there :-\
I didnt see him there either...not saying he wasnt there but I never saw him.
Anyone else see Nahas on Monday night at the b&f?
Yes.
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Andy my dear what about the Cola?
Psst you can have Adams.
Thank you
That's Ok(patts Eddie's bottom)
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Who says he has chosen the Pies? Some dude on BF and its gospel? :rollin
I'd be surprised if that dude got it wrong
Why, who is it? I don't go on BF...
gets a fair bit right
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Andy my dear what about the Cola?
Psst you can have Adams.
Thank you
That's Ok(patts Eddie's bottom)
:clapping
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AFL trade talk is saying he wants to go to Collingwood.
He doesn't want to go there he wants to go there cos they're the highest bidder. If we offererd the same coin as the poys he will come to us
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Mrakov surely your not saying money is the overriding factor here....I mean players ,managers,journos,etc keep on telling us that money is not the main reason players contemplate moving..And if you believe that please stand on your head
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at the end of the day Richardson needs to get his head out of his arse and start getting some quality in and not these grigg hammer types
offer Adams or Shiels a neat 400k 4 year deal and watch them sign on the dotted line.
Leon loves us and would rather deal with us than the pies. Offer Grimes and the deal is done.
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Hands off Grimesy
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Grimes and Rance are vital...
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Seeming less and less likely. Shame, with this kid, reckon our premiership midfield would have just about been ready to go. Any idea how much we have left in our cap, i.e, could we come close to matching collingwood's bid?
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Grimes and Rance are vital...
I'm not disputing that he is not important but to get quality you have to give something up, and lets face it Edwards has SFA currency. Foley and Grigg have some. Grimes is the one for me to get one of these mids.
No point discussing it as the club hasn't got the gonads to even throw up anyone mentioned above.
Bents i want to win a flag not finish 6-10th and i believe we are still one short in the mid.
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whos going to play full back next ten years? :(
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whos going to play full back next ten years? :(
What is the competition running out of them??
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at the end of the day Richardson needs to get his head out of his arse and start getting some quality in and not these grigg hammer types
offer Adams or Shiels a neat 400k 4 year deal and watch them sign on the dotted line.
Are you saying we should pay overs for them?
think we've done that beofre and it's stuffed the Club big time. Would even go as far as to suggest that if we (read CC) didn't pay Dusty overs on his last contract we probably wouldn't have had the saga we've just gone through
But lets run with it and offer them a million plus over the next 4 years...
And in a couple of years time when these kids are still contracted and we have our next captain in Vlaustin (amongst others) coming out of contract dont complain if we have to part with some quality because we've paid overs again
Agree with you about Grigg but for reasons we will never understand he's been given another deal so let's move on from that.
And besides trade week hasn't even started so we don't know who the CLub intends to put up for trade ;D
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Grigg is good
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Mrakov surely your not saying money is the overriding factor here....I mean players ,managers,journos,etc keep on telling us that money is not the main reason players contemplate moving..And if you believe that please stand on your head
:clapping
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at the end of the day Richardson needs to get his head out of his arse and start getting some quality in and not these grigg hammer types
offer Adams or Shiels a neat 400k 4 year deal and watch them sign on the dotted line.
Are you saying we should pay overs for them?
think we've done that beofre and it's stuffed the Club big time. Would even go as far as to suggest that if we (read CC) didn't pay Dusty overs on his last contract we probably wouldn't have had the saga we've just gone through
But lets run with it and offer them a million plus over the next 4 years...
And in a couple of years time when these kids are still contracted and we have our next captain in Vlaustin (amongst others) coming out of contract dont complain if we have to part with some quality because we've paid overs again
Agree with you about Grigg but for reasons we will never understand he's been given another deal so let's move on from that.
And besides trade week hasn't even started so we don't know who the CLub intends to put up for trade ;D
i see a difference in 50-75k between Grigg's income(approx 350k) and what will be enough to lure one of these 2.
Get Grigg out of his contract, sell him off or just leave him at the dingley tip, and use his money plus another 50k to lure one of these 2 on a 4 year deal.
Time to think outside the square and ask yourself what purpose does Grigg have in this football club and what value will one of these 2 bring in.
answer is pretty simple if you ask me.
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i see a difference in 50-75k between Grigg's income(approx 350k) and what will be enough to lure one of these 2.
Get Grigg out of his contract, sell him off or just leave him at the dingley tip, and use his money plus another 50k to lure one of these 2 on a 4 year deal.
Time to think outside the square and ask yourself what purpose does Grigg have in this football club and what value will one of these 2 bring in.
answer is pretty simple if you ask me.
If only it was that simple ::)
I have said numerous times I would trade him, wouldn't have given him a new contract but they did
Facts are the only way he goes is if we trade him. That's the only way you get rid of his contract
And seeing they re-signed him only a coupe of months ago I reckon blind Freddie can see that he isn't going to be traded for kids like Adams or Shiel.
The only thing that would possibly get him traded is if GWS offered pick 1 for him and GWS aren't that stupid ;D
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"But Carlton is out of the race for Taylor Adams, with the highly-rated GWS youngster telling them he will now either stay with the Giants or cross to Collingwood or Geelong."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-coach-mick-malthouse-close-to-signing-collingwood-wingman-dale-thomas/story-fn69a32t-1226732489235
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Interesting that we were his preferred club when it looked like Dusty was going and now that dusty has re-signed, he doesn't want anything to do with us......
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i see a difference in 50-75k between Grigg's income(approx 350k) and what will be enough to lure one of these 2.
Get Grigg out of his contract, sell him off or just leave him at the dingley tip, and use his money plus another 50k to lure one of these 2 on a 4 year deal.
Time to think outside the square and ask yourself what purpose does Grigg have in this football club and what value will one of these 2 bring in.
answer is pretty simple if you ask me.
If only it was that simple ::)
I have said numerous times I would trade him, wouldn't have given him a new contract but they did
Facts are the only way he goes is if we trade him. That's the only way you get rid of his contract
And seeing they re-signed him only a coupe of months ago I reckon blind Freddie can see that he isn't going to be traded for kids like Adams or Shiel.
The only thing that would possibly get him traded is if GWS offered pick 1 for him and GWS aren't that stupid ;D
I would trade him for Savage, straight swap. Richmond clearly wins on trade and we would pay Savage less saving money on the cap.
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If he goes to the filth fine....
I've got a new nickname for him Drill bit Taylor. Cos he'll be playing plenty with!buckz bit :shh
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AFL website tonight still linking us along with the Pies and Blues to Adams.
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One of the most highly sought after names in the trade period will be Greater Western Sydney's Taylor Adams. Collingwood is very keen on the 20-year-old who has played 31 matches in two seasons with the Giants. He has also attracted interest from Carlton and Richmond.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-04/trade-wrap-friday
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AFL website tonight still linking us along with the Pies and Blues to Adams.
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One of the most highly sought after names in the trade period will be Greater Western Sydney's Taylor Adams. Collingwood is very keen on the 20-year-old who has played 31 matches in two seasons with the Giants. He has also attracted interest from Carlton and Richmond.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-04/trade-wrap-friday
If you want players like this at your club you may have to pay overs. Pick your target Tigers and get it done. Delist a couple of duds and the jobs done.
Would rather him and two first year kids on the list than Nahas, Astbury and Batchelor. It would cost you the less too. The only difference is one or maybe two would be playing in the seniors as opposed the those clowns running around in the twos.
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Geelong looms large as a possible suitor for Greater Western Sydney midfielder Taylor Adams
Scott Gullan and Sam Edmund
From: Herald Sun
October 05, 2013
TAYLOR Adams will decide over the weekend which Victorian club is his preferred destination.
The GWS hard nut met with Geelong on Wednesday with the Cats looming large as a team capable of getting a deal done now that they have put Grand Final hero Travis Varcoe on the trade table.
Adams has been pursued strongly by Collingwood who want to include him in a deal which would see disgruntled defender Heath Shaw move to the Giants.
Richmond and Melbourne have also spoken to Adams but the Cats would appear to have an ace in the pack given the 20-year-old grew up in Geelong and played with the Falcons.
Adams’ manager, Winston Rous from Phoenix Management Group, said he expected a decision to be made over the weekend ahead of Monday’s official start of trade week.
Varcoe, the hero of the Cats 2011 premiership victory, played 15 games this season but struggled with foot and shoulder injuries.
With GWS desperate to get their hands on some quality experienced players, the 25-year-old, who is contracted for next year, would be an ideal acquisition.
Adams, who was pick No.13 in the 2011 national draft, has played 31 games for the Giants and averaged more than 20 possessions this season.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/geelong-looms-large-as-a-possible-suitor-for-greater-western-sydney-midfielder-taylor-adams/story-fndv8lf1-1226733189906
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Cats put up varcoe. Lol
Pies heater
Tigers nil
U wonder why we were never in the hunt. Guys like Grigg Edwards foley sitting there and no one at the RFC wants to be bold for a change, instead we are weak as pee
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Cats put up varcoe. Lol
Pies heater
Tigers nil
U wonder why we were never in the hunt. Guys like Grigg Edwards foley sitting there and no one at the RFC wants to be bold for a change, instead we are weak as pee
Agree
I can see geelong only getting stronger. They still have so much quality youth coming through
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Cats put up varcoe. Lol
Pies heater
Tigers nil
U wonder why we were never in the hunt. Guys like Grigg Edwards foley sitting there and no one at the RFC wants to be bold for a change, instead we are weak as pee
I'd trade Grigg and Edwards for Adams :shh
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Cats put up varcoe. Lol
Pies heater
Tigers nil
U wonder why we were never in the hunt. Guys like Grigg Edwards foley sitting there and no one at the RFC wants to be bold for a change, instead we are weak as pee
Agree
I can see geelong only getting stronger. They still have so much quality youth coming through
Same as Sydney, the Pies, Hawks and even the Blues manage to hang in there year after year. We have to start attracting better players to Punt Road annually instead of topping up with average talent.
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Correct
I laugh at WP's comments where it was mentioned Adams or Shiel ain't worth 400K
Well a lot of the players I want traded out are on 300-350, so squeeze one of them out
Hawks got Burgoyne with a high pick and that spud Williams.
If cats get the deal done with Varcoe then we have failed by not offering anyone up.
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I laugh at some of the comments here.
How the hell do we know any of this stuff is fact?
Some hack reports it in a newspaper? Doesnt cut it for me.
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Some expert posts in a forum ? Even less credible
Lets just see what goes down, we will never really know what happens behind closed doors. Im not going to go off at the Club if we dont get Adams as there are far to many factors in play to do that.
This doesnt mean the club shouldnt be trying, just means we will never know how hard things are pushed.
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It's hard to compete when CC put spuds on huge coin. Dan the man is trying to correct this but it will take another year or two. :banghead
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I laugh at some of the comments here.
How the hell do we know any of this stuff is fact?
Some hack reports it in a newspaper? Doesnt cut it for me.
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Some expert posts in a forum ? Even less credible
Lets just see what goes down, we will never really know what happens behind closed doors. Im not going to go off at the Club if we dont get Adams as there are far to many factors in play to do that.
This doesnt mean the club shouldnt be trying, just means we will never know how hard things are pushed.
Hey hey hey Fluffy one, don't you go making sense on here, it has no place.
;D
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As I wrote in another thread, it's hard to attract good players when you have nothing to trade with!!!
Years ago pick 11 would have got Adams over the line but in this case GWS are after experienced players in the 24-26yo bracket, we just don't have anyone that were willing to part with in that age group.
You can blame the current recruiters all you like but this is still the flow on effect from the Wallace era. At least we're in the having a crack but unfortunately our cards just arn't strong enough.
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Daniel jackson
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Last year we was worth a pinch of poo and this year we stuffs it up again by winning the B&F ::)
As much as I'de love to put him on the table it just won't happen now :(
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Fortune favors the brave
Jackson is the obvious one in that age bracket
Other options include Foley. Chaplin. Knights. Grigg. Shane Edwards. Houli.
Hard to see any of that materializing
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Lids is the obvious one, Jackson would get it done but I don't think you'll find a club in the history of the game that has asked a guy to leave just weeks after he's won there B&F.......
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No, Lids is a stupid notion. He is untouchable. As is Reiwoldt, Martin [if he doesn't OD], Cotchin.
Why would you trade Deledio for a former pick 11 in a diluted draft
Its a shame Jackson is apparently off the table due to adams being a perfect replacement/upgrade, and about five years younger fits our list profile beautifully
Deledio is a substantially more talented and vital player to Richmond than Jackson. I thought this was obvious
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Houli is the obvious one as we can easily replace him, the problem being Houli is worth much more than Adams. So hypothetically GWS would have to add a sweetener to get that deal done.
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Houli is the obvious one as we can easily replace him, the problem being Houli is worth much more than Adams. So hypothetically GWS would have to add a sweetener to get that deal done.
you reckon?
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It is obvious but unfortunately Lids didn't win the B&F this year and to be honest his form over the last two seasons has been well down on what we all believe he is capable of. If the club had balls we'd be offering up Lids for Pick 1 and Adams, that would be a shrewd move by the club and would show that we are a serious side.
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lol. GWS would tell you to kick rocks if you offered them Houli and then said "throw in a sweetener to seal this deal ;) " :lol
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Deledio was quality in 2012
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Houli is the obvious one as we can easily replace him, the problem being Houli is worth much more than Adams. So hypothetically GWS would have to add a sweetener to get that deal done.
Hahahaha, it seems the club has the same issue as most of our supporters in over rating our list :lol
Houli is worth a box of Jatz Crackers, one sided half back squib's are easily replaced, I can think of a couple of players already delisted by other clubs that would be an upgrade on Houli! A straight swap Houli for Adams would be a massive win for us but if you were GWS and had to chose from Varco, Shaw or Houli I know who IDE be taking ;D
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Bents is right
All those names will get the job done
Sadly none of those names will eventuate. Dimma has his pets and Jackson, Grigg and S Edwards are 3 of those. Foley has currency loui. You don't think so?
See how the hawks done the job securing trades for hacks like hay and Williams
No ones saying straight swap for Adams but part of a deal
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Daniel,
Foley has currency but is 28 so he doesn't fall into the category there after, the same reason GWS haven't jumped all over Shaw yet.
Now with Varco in the mix that trumps Grigg and Edwards and as I said Jackson let us all down by winning the B&F this year, unfortunately it gives him 12 months reprieve ::)
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Fair call
TBH I didn't realise he was 28
I thought 27 tops
Your prob right there
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Don't get me wrong mate, I want to go as hard for Adams as anyone else but the reality is we are very thin on what we have to offer unless we offer up one of our untouchables and that just isn't going to happen.
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Jackson being classed as untouchable is disturbing.
White was the clubs most improved [according to the club awards]. Isnt this similar importance to the B&F? And yet he was allowed leave.
It is funny in a dark way that when one of our lesser players finally becomes decent (after only ten years), then he isnt considered too important to trade for the betterment of the list.
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Jackson being classed as untouchable is disturbing.
White was the clubs most improved [according to the club awards]. Isnt this similar importance to the B&F? And yet he was allowed leave.
It is funny in a dark way that when one of our lesser players finally becomes decent (after only ten years), then he isnt considered too important to trade for the betterment of the list.
Bents your twisting it all up!! I'm not saying Jackson is completely untouchable but his recent B&F win makes it a hell of allot harder to push him out the door. The best possible scenario for the club would be Jackson asking us to leave like White did but there's a big difference between wanting to leave and being asked to leave......
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It is obvious but unfortunately Lids didn't win the B&F this year and to be honest his form over the last two seasons has been well down on what we all believe he is capable of. If the club had balls we'd be offering up Lids for Pick 1 and Adams, that would be a shrewd move by the club and would show that we are a serious side.
Deledio is part of our premiership plan & we wont win one without him. You cant be serious JM ;D
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[Lift your game JM
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Jackson being classed as untouchable is disturbing.
White was the clubs most improved [according to the club awards]. Isnt this similar importance to the B&F? And yet he was allowed leave.
It is funny in a dark way that when one of our lesser players finally becomes decent (after only ten years), then he isnt considered too important to trade for the betterment of the list.
Bents your twisting it all up!! I'm not saying Jackson is completely untouchable but his recent B&F win makes it a hell of allot harder to push him out the door. The best possible scenario for the club would be Jackson asking us to leave like White did but there's a big difference between wanting to leave and being asked to leave......
Jackson deserved that B&F more than anyone at the club because he worked hard for it & his football was outstanding this year. his even working hard when he dont have the ball & takes some big hits for the team every year & dishes it out also. Think it will set a higher standard that the rest need to work harder otherwise what your saying is the people who give the votes know nothing about football.
As for Adams his not worth the $$$ people are talking about & has not set the football world on alert this year
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The point remains Jackson is not vital (in comparison to chimp/lids, for example) and should be traded if the opportunity to improve the club arises
Ie. Jacko for Adams and a pick
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The point remains Jackson is not vital (in comparison to chimp/lids, for example) and should be traded if the opportunity to improve the club arises
Ie. Jacko for Adams and a pick
Jackson will finish his career as a 1 club player, his got 2-3 years at most. His plays a role similar to Tuck protecting players, forcing stoppages & sneaking away from his opponants or forcing them to follow or vice versa. we need at least another 2 players like that now
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Jackson will finish his career as a 1 club player,
I'm not disagreeing. Merely questioning if this is the best case for the list.
Adams is a similar type to tuck and Jackson. Significantly younger and perhaps an upgrade
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It's not going to happen, move on.
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I'm fine with it. But the rest of this thread is saying there is no one to trade for Adams in the age bracket gws want.
Spoose rfc will have to move on from interst in attaining adams
Unless we go back to the deledio/Adams hypothetical. Which is trulyrobbing peter to pay paul
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Lids and Jackson and pick 11 for pick 1, Adams and Shiel :D
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Jackson will finish his career as a 1 club player,
I'm not disagreeing. Merely questioning if this is the best case for the list.
Adams is a similar type to tuck and Jackson. Significantly younger and perhaps an upgrade
l been looking at this Adams lad & see a more of a Cotchin type player the way he goes about his football & moves.
If any players must be traded you must look at S Edwards & Foley as they just dont give enough to the club. They never have & l cant understand why we have kept them so long. They are un-coachable now & much be pushed out for us to move forward. l just wish Dean McDonald would comeback & give AFL another go, cause he is super fit & l watched him injure 2 players from tackling which went off for the game after running one down over 30 metres & 1 had a 10 metre head start. That's how quick & strong he is. His body is 100% but he dont like the city. That's not sayin he will never change his mind but he is so talented. l would be going after this Adams guns blazing
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The problem remains gws are unlikely to want Shane edwards or Foley. Where as they'd look at Jackson. Maybe even thrown in a pick.
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The problem remains gws are unlikely to want Shane edwards or Foley. Where as they'd look at Jackson. Maybe even thrown in a pick.
No-one will look at Jackson after he said his mind was elsewhere last year & he was planning retirement.
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The race for Taylor Adams is down to 2 clubs.
Geelong and Collingwood.
Cats are in the box seat with Adams an ex Geelong Falcons Boy.
https://www.stuff.com/TheZanottiFiles
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It's a bidding war now, he'll go where there's more dosh
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He is dead to me.
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He is dead to me.
Until he signs at Richmond?
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He is dead to me.
Until he signs at Richmond?
My comment would mysteriously disappear :whistle
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He is dead to me.
Until he signs at Richmond?
My comment would mysteriously disappear :whistle
That's the spirit. :clapping
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Keep our powder dry for Shiel next year and/or Cameron the year after. (us and nearly every other Melbourne club I suspect.)
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He is dead to me.
:clapping yep me too
Hasta la vista Drill Bit...
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The problem remains gws are unlikely to want Shane edwards or Foley. Where as they'd look at Jackson. Maybe even thrown in a pick.
No-one will look at Jackson after he said his mind was elsewhere last year & he was planning retirement.
that and he turns 28 basically at the start of the season proper.for me i look at adams as a 1st rnd pick would rate him easily top 10 you dont trade quality long term players 1st rounders away for short term mediocrity.
and thats not having a shot at jackson he did have a v/good yr but jacko does have his limitations and problems with consistency.
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Didn't have any problems with consistancy this year.He won the B&F
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I disagree. Had his fair share of bad games
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doesn't concern me, my mail is the guy fj has set his sights on would play adams on a break :shh
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Big name BO?
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Matt Thomas woah look out :shh :lol
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Matt Thomas and Hampson
phooowww
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Christian Salem is the name I heard, :shh
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Whoa :shh
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??????
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whoa. Never seen a forum or phantom draft that mentions him to us :shh 17blojobs mail on the money again :shh
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Breaking news. Thanks for the scoop
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whoa. Never seen a forum or phantom draft that mentions him to us :shh 17blojobs mail on the money again :shh
yeah like the phantom drafts are the oracle :lol, btw, ill thank you to keep the insults up the clacker from henceforth where they came :shh
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Christian Salem is the name I heard, :shh
afew of us named him like 2 months ago or something. late mail bj.
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Christian Salem is the name I heard, :shh
afew of us named him like 2 months ago or something. late mail bj.
No it's not, that's where I heard it :lol
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Matt Thomas and Hampson
phooowww
Yessss :clapping RFC's answer to Cox & Kerr combo :whistle
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Other news
As reported on Saturday, young Giant Taylor Adams will decide by Monday which Victorian club he wants to join – with Geelong, Richmond and Melbourne all eager to secure his services.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-06/trade-winds-sunday
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So despite all the crap that's been spread around we are still in the hunt??
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Ooooh yeah , in it up to our necks , will know for sure in next 24 hours :shh
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Bo I think a new faculty needs to open at most universities to cover this new addition to English language ..known as Bo speak.Although confined to the pages of this web site ,its only a matter of time before it breaks out into the common vernacular.
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Nah I have heard this language before when I walk past Dendy adult theatre/peep show in the city
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Nah I have heard this language before when I walk past Dendy adult theatre/peep show in the city
:lol you don't just walk past that place....you fly past ;)
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Tiger71's latest post on BF tonight ...
"We have put heaps of time into Adams, close onto 2 years. As the offers started going up, ours has remained consistent with just a slight increase. The reason for that was we have tried to sell to Adams the vision of the RFC in the next 5 years. We have explained to him that he would be a integral part of that vision, and sometimes, team success is more important then just the cash. We, from what I have heard used Geelongs own argument against them. Asking Taylor if the bartels and selwoods would now have been more happier with more cash or keeping the strong core together and getting those flags.
Come Monday we will know how well we sold it. My mail has stayed consistent from the start, and I have yet to hear that we are out of the race. We will know Monday.
Our Major stumbling block is GWS. We don't have a "better" deal to offer them then say Collingwood, Melbourne or Geelong. Lets just hope his desire to play for us is real enough that he can tell GWS to go eat a tomato sandwich. "
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/taylor-adams-tigers-show-interest.1021127/page-65#post-30496884
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I've moved on, we all should :whistle
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Adams, a tough in-and-under midfielder, has half a dozen Victorian clubs interested in him, headed by Geelong and Collingwood, which is understood to have offered him $300,000 a season.
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/lions-go-hard-in-hawks-trade-off/story-e6frfkp9-1226733861019
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Adams, a tough in-and-under midfielder, has half a dozen Victorian clubs interested in him, headed by Geelong and Collingwood, which is understood to have offered him $300,000 a season.
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/lions-go-hard-in-hawks-trade-off/story-e6frfkp9-1226733861019
400k plus
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Heard it was 1.2mil over the next 9yrs.
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Adams, a tough in-and-under midfielder, has half a dozen Victorian clubs interested in him, headed by Geelong and Collingwood, which is understood to have offered him $300,000 a season.
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/lions-go-hard-in-hawks-trade-off/story-e6frfkp9-1226733861019
That's our offer. Their's is about 100k more than that.
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I wanna know if we are actually in the race or not! Make up your mind journos
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I wanna know if we are actually in the race or not! Make up your mind journos
Lot of Richmond people claiming we still are, but nothing solid from the journo world suggesting we're in with a shot, however I think they're just focusing in on contract offers (ie money), and we're trying to sell him on the richmond model (ie, houli, grigg, maric, chaplin etc) & opportunity and potential success. Also remember reading he's keen on making sure GWS are properly compensated for a trade, which puts us behind the 8 ball.
Reckon you can make your mind up from there. Hearing that he may well nominate today. Fingers crossed!
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Can someone link me to an official offer to Adams? Statement from RFC, Pies, or Adams management is fine, don't worry about bigfooty or a "journalist". I'd just like compare the contract offers. Thanks :thumbsup
You nuffers
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Can someone link me to an official offer to Adams? Statement from RFC, Pies, or Adams management is fine, don't worry about bigfooty or a "journalist". I'd just like compare the contract offers. Thanks :thumbsup
You nuffers
If that's the way trade period worked it wouldn't be half as interesting....
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Can someone link me to an official offer to Adams? Statement from RFC, Pies, or Adams management is fine, don't worry about bigfooty or a "journalist". I'd just like compare the contract offers. Thanks :thumbsup
You nuffers
Set up your own media watch monitor in trade period, knock yourself out - might get a decent following
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I agree with gerks. People are coming on here and sprouting numbers like they know it's gospel. In reality they are just regurgitating media or BF bull. Nobody knows what has been said behind closed doors. Stop pretending like you do!
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GREATER Western Sydney has launched a bold $4 million play for disgruntled Collingwood defender Heath Shaw.
After being jilted by Buddy Franklin, the Giants have zoned in on Shaw with a deal believed to be around $800,000 a season for five years.
And they have also spoken to the Pies premiership star about a development role at the club for at least two years at the end of his playing days.
A trade between the GWS and Collingwood is the most likely scenario should Shaw give it the green light as GWS hard nut Taylor Adams wants to return to Victoria.
Adams, 20, nominated the Pies and Geelong as his preferred destination but would end up at the Westpac Centre as some part of the Shaw deal.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/greater-western-sydney-launches-bold-bid-to-secure-collingwood-defender-heath-shaw/story-fnfll94y-1226734330365
Don't know what to make of this. Sounds baloney. Also, I don't remember Adams nominating either the Pies or Geelong??
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Geez 8 for shaw
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It would be a pee take for sure :thumbsup
Hope heater ends up at dees :lol
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I'd love it if they paid him $800,000. Lol. What a joke.
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Seems to be quiet on the Adams front???
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In all likelihood the pies will nab him
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Seems to be quiet on the Adams front???
Wants to go to the Pies, I don't think much will happen with anything until compo picks are handed out.
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Seems to be quiet on the Adams front???
I think he might be heading over to Hawaii for O'hailpin's wedding so I can't see anything concrete happening this week.
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Seems to be quiet on the Adams front???
Wants to go to the Pies, I don't think much will happen with anything until compo picks are handed out.
Adam's manager was on Trade Radio this arvo. We're definitely out of it:
"There has been a reduction in clubs, it's now down to Collingwood and Geelong. It might even wait on the compensation picks to be handed out (on where Adams goes). I'd love it to happen before. Yeh, it's probably fair (Collingwood compo pick for Adams). I think he's enhanced his reputation from pick 13 (2011 draft)"
https://twitter.com/traderadio
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Seems to be quiet on the Adams front???
Wants to go to the Pies, I don't think much will happen with anything until compo picks are handed out.
Adam's manager was on Trade Radio this arvo. We're definitely out of it:
"There has been a reduction in clubs, it's now down to Collingwood and Geelong. It might even wait on the compensation picks to be handed out (on where Adams goes). I'd love it to happen before. Yeh, it's probably fair (Collingwood compo pick for Adams). I think he's enhanced his reputation from pick 13 (2011 draft)"
https://twitter.com/traderadio
So in other words the pick we had and was taken away from us will be the currency used to get this player across, and we had interest in him long before the maggots?? ::) :whistle
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what pick did we have and was taken away from us?
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Oh well, gem in the draft coming up... :pray
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what pick did we have and was taken away from us?
I think what E_e_A, means pick 11 which we currently have but are likely to lose when the compo picks are handed out
media have been suggesting C'wood are likely to get a 1st round compo pick for Thomas which would be number 11 and which result in us dropping back to pick 12
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what pick did we have and was taken away from us?
I think what E_e_A, means pick 11 which we currently have but are likely to lose when the compo picks are handed out
media have been suggesting C'wood are likely to get a 1st round compo pick for Thomas which would be number 11 and which result in us dropping back to pick 12
:thumbsup eggzackery
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ah
:cheers
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So sick of Collingwood being number one. If it isn't membership, its sponsorship. If it isn't media attention it's the perception they will be a better team in the future. When is the turning point because I'm tired of getting the slops. >:(
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So sick of Collingwood being number one. If it isn't membership, its sponsorship. If it isn't media attention it's the perception they will be a better team in the future. When is the turning point because I'm tired of getting the slops. >:(
Keep winning and keep making finals and our membership will continue to grow possibly higher than theirs. Then they'll worry about us and we won't care about them. With money comes leverage and then authority. We can't solely blame them we have been crap for 30 years :thumbsup
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They're taking a big gamble ripping apart the squad that won a premiership and prob should have won another 1 given their age at the time. They are mini rebuilding and have cash to burn now that some big names have been given the arse. Not so sure their young talent is as good as everyone is making it of to be either
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Brett Anderson from Inside Football reckons the Adams trade will be:
Heath Shaw to Geelong (Shaw's preference is the Cats - he doesn't want to go to GWS)
Taylor Adams to Collingwood
Pick 15 to GWS
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All it takes is pick 15 for Adams??? Why didn't we fight for this kid?? :banghead
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All it takes is pick 15 for Adams??? Why didn't we fight for this kid?? :banghead
x2
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All it takes is pick 15 for Adams??? Why didn't we fight for this kid?? :banghead
As I mentioned in another thread. We're getting our pants pulled down off the field atm
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Deals not even done yet fellas, relax :lol
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All it takes is pick 15 for Adams??? Why didn't we fight for this kid?? :banghead
But the deal involves more than pick 15, involves another player in Shaw which we had no interest in
Not only that what's the point in fighting for a kid that clearly doesn't want to be at our club?
He wants to go to either Geelong or C'wood. So even if we offered GWS pick 11 for him he could still say I am not going to the Tigers, I'll try my luck in the PSD
Fight those who want to get to our club not those who want to be elsewhere
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Everyone just focuses on the deals, salary cap is also a factor.
We obviously don't want to pay him what he wants to get paid.
Would we part with our 1st pick for him? Yep
Would we pay him the money he wants? Nup
There is obviously 2 factors.
This is one thing thats being ignored in the Hampson trade. Was pick 32ish high, yep. Is 250k a year cheap, yep. So people happy with the trade for hampson can argue that he is cheap and value for the cap, and those who hate the trade complain that pick 32ish was too much.
Adams might not suit us salary cap wise in the way we are building the list. He priced himself out of it for us and how we want to spend.
You have to think about both, and for some reason most of the gurus on here only worry about one factor when it suits them and the other factor when it suits them. Very rarely both together depending on the argument they want to use.
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Cats and pies, 2 clubs that have been significantly better than us in recent times offer this kid significantly more than we do and that doesnt sound off alarm bells? Of course the kid will go elsewhere if hes offered 100k+ more. Think our footy depart have erred with their ratings system with Adams. Just hope we're not sitting here in 2 years when Adams is taking the league by storm lamenting the fact we didnt go harder at him.
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All it takes is pick 15 for Adams??? Why didn't we fight for this kid?? :banghead
As I mentioned in another thread. We're getting our pants pulled down off the field atm
have to agree dice atm we are looking like amateurs
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Everyone just focuses on the deals, salary cap is also a factor.
We obviously don't want to pay him what he wants to get paid.
Would we part with our 1st pick for him? Yep
Would we pay him the money he wants? Nup
There is obviously 2 factors.
This is one thing thats being ignored in the Hampson trade. Was pick 32ish high, yep. Is 250k a year cheap, yep. So people happy with the trade for hampson can argue that he is cheap and value for the cap, and those who hate the trade complain that pick 32ish was too much.
Adams might not suit us salary cap wise in the way we are building the list. He priced himself out of it for us and how we want to spend.
You have to think about both, and for some reason most of the gurus on here only worry about one factor when it suits them and the other factor when it suits them. Very rarely both together depending on the argument they want to use.
Couldnt agree more. Adams' price is too high for us.
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GWS with more picks than Matt Schaub
surely they want players?
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What's his price? $400k?
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GWS with more picks than Matt Schaub
surely they want players?
Agree Gerks, there has to be more to this deal than a merry go round of players and picks.
The rumor was our pick 11 was on offer to GWS, there not going to knock back that for pick 15.
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Cats and pies, 2 clubs that have been significantly better than us in recent times offer this kid significantly more than we do and that doesnt sound off alarm bells? Of course the kid will go elsewhere if hes offered 100k+ more. Think our footy depart have erred with their ratings system with Adams. Just hope we're not sitting here in 2 years when Adams is taking the league by storm lamenting the fact we didnt go harder at him.
No it doesnt
GEELONG - Chappy, Corey, JPOD, Hunt etc etc , lot of cap space there
PIES - Daisy, Jolly, Johnson , lot of cap space there
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Yeah bc we couldnt move a few deck chairs around to squeeze in an extra 100k or so.
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Everyone just focuses on the deals, salary cap is also a factor.
We obviously don't want to pay him what he wants to get paid.
Would we part with our 1st pick for him? Yep
Would we pay him the money he wants? Nup
There is obviously 2 factors.
This is one thing thats being ignored in the Hampson trade. Was pick 32ish high, yep. Is 250k a year cheap, yep. So people happy with the trade for hampson can argue that he is cheap and value for the cap, and those who hate the trade complain that pick 32ish was too much.
Adams might not suit us salary cap wise in the way we are building the list. He priced himself out of it for us and how we want to spend.
You have to think about both, and for some reason most of the gurus on here only worry about one factor when it suits them and the other factor when it suits them. Very rarely both together depending on the argument they want to use.
Bang on.
New 21st century Richmond versus headless chook Ninthmond.
I know which one I want the future to be ...
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we cant get adams because adams wants 400k per year
We cant pay adams 400k per year, because we have just resigned Ellis and conca for less than 300k a year.
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we cant get adams because adams wants 400k per year
We cant pay adams 400k per year, because we have just resigned Ellis and conca for less than 300k a year.
Well stuff adams then :clapping 300 is good for the other boys and im sure they will command more in a few years through their hard work :thumbsup
Figjam can give adams the alter boy hairstyle :shh