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Finals beckon for hard, tough Tigers
By Adam McNicol
afl.com.au
5:00pm AEST Saturday, August 3, 2013
HAWTHORN 3.4 6.8 7.10 9.12 (66)
RICHMOND 6.4 6.6 10.10 16.11 (107)
GOALS
Hawthorn: Puopolo 2, Franklin, Lewis, Smith, Burgoyne, Guerra, Ceglar, Hodge
Richmond: Riewoldt 3, McGuane 2, Edwards 2, White 2, Jackson 2, Maric, Newman, Foley, Martin, Tuck
BEST
Hawthorn: Smith, Lake, Lewis, Puopolo
Richmond: Rance, Cotchin, Ellis, Maric, Grigg, Chaplin, Martin, Astbury, Jackson
INJURIES
Hawthorn: Max Bailey (corked hip) replaced in selected side by Jonathon Ceglar
Richmond: Nil
SUBSTITUTES
Hawthorn: Brendan Whitecross replaced Jonathon Ceglar in the third quarter.
Richmond: Shane Tuck replaced Orren Stephenson in the third quarter.
Reports: Nil
Umpires: Margetts, Nicholls, Pannell
Official crowd: 64,324 at the MCG
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RICHMOND'S 12-year finals drought appears over after the Tigers surged to an upset 41-point victory over premiership favourite Hawthorn at the MCG on Saturday afternoon.
Damien Hardwick's men led by 22 points during the first quarter, were held goalless in the second term, then booted 10 goals to three in wet and slippery conditions after half-time and won 16.11 (106) to 9.12 (66).
It was the Tigers' second win over Hawthorn in succession, coming after they thrashed the Hawks by 62 points in round nine last year.
In the process, Richmond kept the Hawks to their lowest score of the season and became the first team other than Geelong to beat them in 2013.
As more than 64,000 people watched on (a record crowd for a home and away match between the clubs), the Tigers set up their 12th victory of the season by dominating in close.
They claimed the first 13 clearances of the game, and finished with a 53 to 36 ascendancy in that area. They also won 146 contested possessions to 114.
Skipper Trent Cotchin was among the many heroes for the winners. He worked tirelessly in the midfield and finished with 34 possessions, nine tackles and nine clearances.
Brandon Ellis, Shaun Grigg and Dustin Martin also won plenty of the ball.
Martin was wasteful with his kicking for much of the game, but his 50m goal just before the three-quarter time siren was a crucial contribution.
Jack Riewoldt was the key contributor on the scoreboard with three goals, while Shane Edwards, Luke McGuane, Matt White and Daniel Jackson all kicked two.
Richmond's other heroes were down back. Alex Rance did a brilliant job on Lance Franklin, who went into the game full of confidence after booting eight goals against Essendon last weekend.
Rance held Franklin to only one major, while David Astbury and Troy Chaplin combined to keep Coleman Medal contender Jarryd Roughead goalless for the first time this year.
A number of Hawthorn's other big-name players failed to fire.
Cyril Rioli had no influence on the game, nor did the Hawks' captain Luke Hodge, who spent much of the afternoon deep in defence minding the Tigers' resting ruckman.
Star midfielder Sam Mitchell gathered 26 disposals, but he failed to have his usual impact.
Key defender Brian Lake was among the few Hawthorn players who could hold their heads high, while Isaac Smith finished with 29 touches.
Hawthorn will be aiming to get back on the winners' list when it meets lowly St Kilda at Etihad Stadium next Friday night.
Richmond will be aiming to keep its bandwagon rolling when it hosts the Brisbane Lions at the MCG next Saturday afternoon.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-03/tigers-september-certainties
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Richmond beat Hawthorn easily at the MCG in a shock result
Mark Hayes
Herald Sun
August 03, 2013 3:07PM
WITH due respect to Box Hill and Coburg, that was the biggest crowd at a VFL match since the league's name changed.
Because, surely, that wasn't the standard required of two AFL finalists.
And, to be clear, that's BEFORE the rain.
To be fair, all that mattered to Richmond were the four points.
But as the AFL seeks new markets, let's hope this game isn't fired in a time capsule to distant galaxies, because they'll look for some light entertainment with the enclosed 20-sided Rubik's cubes.
The ineffective disposal count was off the charts in the first half - for both clubs.
Even the victors had multiple culprits. Extraordinarily, ball magnets Nathan Foley, Dustin Martin and Trent Cotchin were kicking at a combined 39 per cent efficiency at halftime.
But probably more relevant were the horribly inept numbers on the other side of the ball.
You'd have got long odds on the double of Jarryd Roughead not having a forward 50 mark and Luke Hodge not having laid a tackle at the final term.
Or that Lance Franklin, David Hale, Bradley Hill, Paul Puopolo, Cyril Rioli, Roughead, Ben Stratton and Isaac Smith would all kick at or below 50 per cent efficiency in the first half.
Yet even those frightening stats wouldn't have been coach Alastair Clarkson's biggest concern.
The will to run, clear decision-making and precision kicking that were the hallmarks of Hawthorn's dismantling of Essendon eight days earlier were absolutely absent.
A desire to run to provide options was glaringly evident. Brent Guerra had the ball after a defensive switch with 17 Tigers ahead of him late in the third term with the game still, somehow, in the balance.
That he was corralled at true centre half-back for a full 15 seconds with no leads on offer was an indictment on a team that seemingly had little interest in doing the little things on which they pride themselves.
He ended up kicking short to a contest to the Hawks' smallest player, Puopolo, who was beaten in the air and powerless to stop the rebounding ball surging forward and setting the second-half goal avalanche in train.
The Tigers won contested possessions by 33, clearances by 18 and, if such a stat existed, desire to beat their opponents by an infinite figure.
Hawthorn is rapidly turning into Richmond's bunny.
And it will displease Clarkson greatly that when it rained, as it did in last year's 10-goal demolition, the Tigers' desire at the ball was several levels above that of his charges.
It was laughed off at Waverley in 2008 when the Tigers humbled Hawthorn late in the home-and-away season.
It was dismissed as a blip last year when the yellow and black completely dominated the Hawks.
But rest assured, there'll be soul searching done at Hawks HQ this week because that was as big a pasting as they've copped in years.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-beat-hawthorn-easily-at-the-mcg-in-a-shock-result/story-fniv6drm-1226690670295
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Who was the stupid idiot who penned that article, care not for the offensive remarks early, RFC efforts in totally dominating clearances and blanketing hawks star studded front half was extraordinary :clapping
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Yet again a journo refuses to accept that the way the Hawks played was as a result of our efforts and not because they simply had an off day. I am yet to see a journo actually report positively of our effort rather than focus more on our opposition's shortfalls, makes me sick. :banghead :banghead
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That second article is just tripe.
If the Hawks laughed off their 62 point loss to us last year as a blip and then went on to win by 20 goals against Nort the following week then I pity the team they play next week.
As for a huge crowd at a Coburg v Box Hill game that is just as lame as the Casey v NSW expansion experimentation squad game that went on at Skoda today also. :wallywink
To think I want to read a decent article after our most important win in a decade and we have to read this crap from Mark Hayes. I hope I never read an article from him again. :help
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Gary Lyon was on board the tiggy train on MMM
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Richmond beat Hawthorn easily at the MCG in a shock result
Mark Hayes
Herald Sun
August 03, 2013 3:07PM
WITH due respect to Box Hill and Coburg, that was the biggest crowd at a VFL match since the league's name changed.
Because, surely, that wasn't the standard required of two AFL finalists.
And, to be clear, that's BEFORE the rain.
To be fair, all that mattered to Richmond were the four points.
But as the AFL seeks new markets, let's hope this game isn't fired in a time capsule to distant galaxies, because they'll look for some light entertainment with the enclosed 20-sided Rubik's cubes.
The ineffective disposal count was off the charts in the first half - for both clubs.
Even the victors had multiple culprits. Extraordinarily, ball magnets Nathan Foley, Dustin Martin and Trent Cotchin were kicking at a combined 39 per cent efficiency at halftime.
But probably more relevant were the horribly inept numbers on the other side of the ball.
You'd have got long odds on the double of Jarryd Roughead not having a forward 50 mark and Luke Hodge not having laid a tackle at the final term.
Or that Lance Franklin, David Hale, Bradley Hill, Paul Puopolo, Cyril Rioli, Roughead, Ben Stratton and Isaac Smith would all kick at or below 50 per cent efficiency in the first half.
Yet even those frightening stats wouldn't have been coach Alastair Clarkson's biggest concern.
The will to run, clear decision-making and precision kicking that were the hallmarks of Hawthorn's dismantling of Essendon eight days earlier were absolutely absent.
A desire to run to provide options was glaringly evident. Brent Guerra had the ball after a defensive switch with 17 Tigers ahead of him late in the third term with the game still, somehow, in the balance.
That he was corralled at true centre half-back for a full 15 seconds with no leads on offer was an indictment on a team that seemingly had little interest in doing the little things on which they pride themselves.
He ended up kicking short to a contest to the Hawks' smallest player, Puopolo, who was beaten in the air and powerless to stop the rebounding ball surging forward and setting the second-half goal avalanche in train.
The Tigers won contested possessions by 33, clearances by 18 and, if such a stat existed, desire to beat their opponents by an infinite figure.
Hawthorn is rapidly turning into Richmond's bunny.
And it will displease Clarkson greatly that when it rained, as it did in last year's 10-goal demolition, the Tigers' desire at the ball was several levels above that of his charges.
It was laughed off at Waverley in 2008 when the Tigers humbled Hawthorn late in the home-and-away season.
It was dismissed as a blip last year when the yellow and black completely dominated the Hawks.
But rest assured, there'll be soul searching done at Hawks HQ this week because that was as big a pasting as they've copped in years.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-beat-hawthorn-easily-at-the-mcg-in-a-shock-result/story-fniv6drm-1226690670295
you stuffing retread
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Only stat that matters is 107 - 66. Go EAD Mr Hayes :cheers
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When I click the link there's another article there, has it been pulled? Deserves it, stuffing disgraceful article
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When I click the link there's another article there, has it been pulled? Deserves it, stuffing disgraceful article
Cyclops may have chucked in the wrong article. Says Herald Sun under Mark Hayes but link is to Perth Now.
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Stats sex
Everyone the football ten plus times
Outside of:
Morris v rioli
And
Orren second ruck
Didn't have to carry anyone today , very unrichmond like
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Que?
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Bents using google to translate his posts into English again.
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When I click the link there's another article there, has it been pulled? Deserves it, stuffing disgraceful article
Cyclops may have chucked in the wrong article. Says Herald Sun under Mark Hayes but link is to Perth Now.
Both News Corps. The article seems to have been pulled and replaced by the Warwick Green one.
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When I click the link there's another article there, has it been pulled? Deserves it, stuffing disgraceful article
Cyclops may have chucked in the wrong article. Says Herald Sun under Mark Hayes but link is to Perth Now.
Both News Corps. The article seems to have been pulled and replaced by the Warwick Green one.
Good. That other article was an absolute rot.
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I work at news corp, will send Hayes a please explain Monday morning
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Incredible butt hurt from Mark Hayes in his article.
Richmond finally get a top 4 scalp and all he can say is it was a poor game.I don't think it was.
The defensive pressure of both teams caused fumbles but it was no where near a poor game.
I wonder who Mark Hayes follows.
Certainly not Richmond.
Butthurt is there for all to see.
Get some nappy rash cream.
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Richmond beat Hawthorn easily at the MCG in a shock result
Warwick Green
From: Herald Sun
August 03, 2013 5:07PM
RICHMOND needed a big scalp and it worked its backside off to get one.
It was all very well to knock off Port Adelaide and Fremantle, but humbling Hawthorn at the MCG in August carries a certain cachet.
Especially after the Tigers had coughed up a 22-point lead and needed to respond in the second half; and especially when it was a grinding win - not one built on slashing individual performances from the likes of Trent Cotchin, Brett Deledio and Dustin Martin.
This was one for the unsung heroes: Players such as Brandon Ellis, Nick Vlaustin and Reece Conca, who harassed, tackled, pushed across and shovelled the ball forwards throughout the match.
Never more was this apparent than midway through the third quarter, with the Tigers leading by five points and the Hawks' runners streaming towards centre-half forward, seemingly destined to regain the lead.
Vlaustin chased down Brendan Whitecross and stripped him of the ball.
Moments later the Tigers had a goal at the other end of the ground, extending their lead to 11 points.
This blue-collar work ethic was evident all over the ground. Steve Morris and Alex Rance had the better of the ever-threatening Cyril Rioli and Lance Franklin.
Up forward, Matt White and Shane Edwards helped apply enormous forward pressure, but also combined to kick four goals.
In the ruck Ivan Maric had the better of three opponents, contributing seven clearances of his own on a day not best suited to big men.
Most importantly the Tigers worked as a team on tactics that strangled Hawthorn's game plan. When the Hawks had the ball from a mark or free kick, Richmond worked incredibly hard to pick up an opponent and to put pressure on Hawthorn's chipping ball movement.
They were determined not to let them have the second pass and create a disposal chain.
On match eve Hawthorn coach Alastair Clarkson had flagged that contested ball in the midfield was going to be "very critical", warning "Richmond are a really good stoppage side".
So it proved, particularly in the first quarter when, incredibly, Richmond racked up the first 13 clearances of the match and led 16-2 in that count at quarter time. The Tigers also had 38 contested possessions to 18 by the first break.
The Hawks were showing no inclination to push hard to make position, or to do anything resembling unrewarded running.
Clarkson denied during the week that he was loading his players with extra training in the lead-up to the finals, but this looked like a team that was tired and flat and unable to break a line with pace.
After being completely outplayed in the first quarter the Hawks did manage to scrap and scramble their way to three unanswered goals in the second term, each of them caused by solo desperation acts.
They even regained the lead just at half time when Shaun Burgoyne chased down Martin and won a free kick for holding the ball.
He then weighted a beautiful kick into the path of 250 gamer Brent Guerra, who marked and converted.
But the Hawks left too much to too few and none of them the headline acts.
Jarryd Roughead had a shocker, failing to take a mark inside the forward 50 and only making an impact during a brief stint in the ruck. Luke Hodge was unable to have any influence from the back pocket, nor when he was moved to the midfield in the final quarter.
Of the team leaders, only Sam Mitchell, Burgoyne and Brian Lake influenced play.
Isaac Smith and Paul Puopolo tried hard throughout the game.
For the Tigers, it was more difficult to nominate anyone who did not try hard or devote himself fully to the team cause.
It was the sort of football that is a feature od teams who play in September.
Now Richmond gets its chance to be one of them.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-beat-hawthorn-easily-at-the-mcg-in-a-shock-result/story-fndv8t7m-1226690670295#mm-breached
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The PerthNow link was changed to the Warwick Green article but the Herald-Sun website still has that Mark Hayes' one:
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-prevails-in-scrappy-affair-over-hawthorn/story-fndv8os9-1226690686135
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Hawthorn flattened: Tigers all but seal elusive finals berth
Stathi Paxinos
The Age
August 4, 2013
RICHMOND 6.4 6.6 10.10 16.11 (107)
HAWTHORN 3.4 6.8 7.10 9.12 (66)
Goals:
Richmond: J Riewoldt 3 D Jackson 2 L McGuane 2 M White 2 S Edwards 2 C Newman D Martin I Maric N Foley S Tuck.
Hawthorn: P Puopolo 2 B Guerra I Smith J Ceglar J Lewis L Franklin L Hodge S Burgoyne.
Best:
Richmond: T Cotchin A Rance T Chaplin J Riewoldt D Martin S Morris.
Hawthorn: S Mitchell I Smith B Lake P Puopolo S Burgoyne.
Umpires: Troy Pannell, Mathew Nicholls, Dean Margetts.
Official Crowd: 64,324 at MCG.
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All season Richmond has faced one question – the one that comes from a sudden glimpse of hope after decades of despair. Every week the Tigers are forced to answer whether they really are good enough to mix it with the big boys.
The answer has alternated throughout the year with their results. Losses to the likes of Sydney, Geelong, Collingwood, Essendon, and the disappointing effort against North Melbourne, gave voice to those who believed that the Tigers’ apparent revival was false hope.
But on Saturday against the competition leader, Hawthorn, the answer appeared to be a resounding yes as the Tigers virtually secured their place in the finals with a 41-point win, and strengthened the belief of the faithful that the team has the mental strength to challenge the more favoured teams.
But what impressed beyond the winning margin was the way the Tigers fought back from a poor second quarter to quell the Hawks, who looked as though they would run away with the game after turning an 18-point quarter-time deficit into a two-point half-time lead.
The Tigers twice racked up runs of consecutive goals – five in the first quarter and six over the third and last quarters – while the Hawks’ vaunted forward line was never in the contest with Lance Franklin, Jarryd Roughead and Jack Gunston contributing only one goal. On the other hand, Jack Riewoldt kicked three for the Tigers while Luke McGuane added two in the first quarter.
Hawthorn had been beaten only twice this season, both times by Geelong, but was thoroughly outplayed by the Tigers in all but the second quarter.
The Tigers took the honours in the first quarter, opening an 18-point lead on the back of five consecutive goals as they dominated the clearances. Late in the term they led the clearances 13-0, and went to the first break leading 16-2.
Riewoldt and McGuane both kicked two goals while, at the other end, Franklin managed one but sprayed two others and Roughead had only three possessions.
The Hawks could not stop the run of the Tigers, with Chris Newman kicking a running goal late in the term. However, Hawthorn kept in touch by scoring the first two goals of the second term, the first to Isaac Smith shortly after the start.
Suddenly the Hawks were on top, having managed to even up the clearances and, with the Tigers pinned in their defensive 50, the Hawks took a one-point lead before half-time when Brent Guerra, playing his 250th game, kicked a goal.
The Hawks went into the main break with a 6.8 (44) to 6.6 (42) lead after Franklin added a behind after the siren. The Hawks did not capitalise on their momentum, and could have been several goals ahead having missed good opportunities, including two posters.
The lead was stretched to eight points when Jonathon Ceglar, playing his second game, kicked his first career goal.
But the Tigers regained some composure when Matt White kicked their first since late in the first quarter and then Nathan Foley took advantage of a goal-line scramble to snap a second for the Tigers to give them a two-point lead moments before the rain, which had been threatening all afternoon, started. When Martin took advantage of a turnover and nailed a goal from just outside 50 metres, the Tigers had regained an 18-point lead at three-quarter-time. The last term was a rout with Richmond slamming on six goals to Hawthorn's two.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/hawthorn-flattened-tigers-all-but-seal-elusive-finals-berth-20130803-2r62l.html#ixzz2avfCNP6g
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I work at news corp
Will be taking your opinion with a grain of salt from now on ;D
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A term used by the commentators during yesterday's game I thought is an important factor when assessing a losing teams performance, its "perceived pressure". The pressure applied by our guys made the Hawks make uncharacteristic errors, this resulted in players even when in the clear missing targets or fumbling. Journos having little respect for our efforts tend to report the old standard, "the opposition were very poor on the day", yes they were poor but that's because we applied pressure all day, resulting in "perceived pressure" hence opposition players are expecting someone to run them down, makes even the most skilful of players make mistakes.
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I work at news corp
Will be taking your opinion with a grain of salt from now on ;D
:clapping
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Only we could beat the top side in the competition by 41 points and end up going down a ladder position. Bloody Essendon stuff us up even when the drop their bundle. :banghead
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A term used by the commentators during yesterday's game I thought is an important factor when assessing a losing teams performance, its "perceived pressure". The pressure applied by our guys made the Hawks make uncharacteristic errors, this resulted in players even when in the clear missing targets or fumbling. Journos having little respect for our efforts tend to report the old standard, "the opposition were very poor on the day", yes they were poor but that's because we applied pressure all day, resulting in "perceived pressure" hence opposition players are expecting someone to run them down, makes even the most skilful of players make mistakes.
Agree Lozza. And while we are on the all important subject of pressure, I notice we got smashed in the tackle count again - 81 to 61. I wonder if that will make any of those fixated on the importance of high tackle count numbers being integral to success think again? You can't lay a tackle if you have the ball.
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A term used by the commentators during yesterday's game I thought is an important factor when assessing a losing teams performance, its "perceived pressure". The pressure applied by our guys made the Hawks make uncharacteristic errors, this resulted in players even when in the clear missing targets or fumbling. Journos having little respect for our efforts tend to report the old standard, "the opposition were very poor on the day", yes they were poor but that's because we applied pressure all day, resulting in "perceived pressure" hence opposition players are expecting someone to run them down, makes even the most skilful of players make mistakes.
Agree Lozza. And while we are on the all important subject of pressure, I notice we got smashed in the tackle count again - 81 to 61. I wonder if that will make any of those fixated on the importance of high tackle count numbers being integral to success think again? You can't lay a tackle if you have the ball.
Does it count if we start tackling our own blokes?
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The RFC already has a stat for tackles on teammates. They're called Conca Cuddles
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Bents using google to translate his posts into English again.
made perfect sense to me, must be starting to speak bentlish
or i'm bent
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Get bent
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I work at news corp
Will be taking your opinion with a grain of salt from now on ;D
You mean you already weren't? :o
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I work at news corp, will send Hayes a please explain Monday morning
What did that worm say?
Richmond are one of only 3 teams to beat the Hawks in 2 years - the others are Swans and Cats. Must be lucky I guess
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I work at news corp
Will be taking your opinion with a grain of salt from now on ;D
You mean you already weren't? :o
;D