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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: WilliamPowell on June 07, 2005, 12:12:18 PM
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Members' Forum at Wantirna Club
richmondfc.com.au
8:46:22 AM Tue 7 June, 2005
Richmond Football Club is holding a Members’ Forum at the Wantirna Club on Tuesday, June 14 starting at 7:30pm.
Club President, Clinton Casey and CEO Steven Wright will give an overview of the current position of the club followed by a short question and answer segment.
The Wantirna Club is located at 350 Stud Road, Wantirna.
For further information about the Wantirna Club, you can call them directly on 03 9801 5555 or log onto their website at www.wantirnaclub.com.au. (http://www.wantirnaclub.com.au.)
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=insidetheclub&spg=aroundtheclubdisplay&articleid=207678.
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All or most of the Directors, plus Steve Wright and Trent Jacobs attended the meeting. Around 40 members turned out for the meeting, which is a bit different to the previous two meetings I’d been to, where it was standing room only. One lady rightly pointed out that it should be a bit of a compliment that there were so few in attendance, because had things been not going so well the room would have been packed.
Steve Wright spoke first about the finances and mentioned that sponsorship and memberships were up. We have an 81% retention rate of members. However, we are looking at ways to sign up new members.
For the remainder of this season, the Club has budgeted for attendance figures similar to those of last year.
Things are pretty positive and there has been a major turn around in most areas of the Club.
Greg Miller then spoke about the footy department. There were significant cut backs in spending in the footy department, which particularly affected the recruiting department. However, we still have a pretty good network set up to give us stuff on talent in other states. Since the cut backs, GM also does a lot more of the scouting himself. Through the AFL (??), there is a lot more electronic data available (i.e. video and other stats and records) on young players around the country.
As seems to happen most years, he also said that this year’s draft, at this stage, was not going to be that deep.
At the end of this year, we are unlikely to be in a position where we can expect to pick up another 6-7 young players in the draft. To draft a young player costs in the order of $150,000 for around 2 years. Unless you are confident the player has a high chance of making it at the level, it is a huge risk to take a young player late in the draft.
Unlikely we can go after another Nathan Brown/Kane Johnson type this year, as we don’t have the room to do so. Once some of our senior players’ contracts are re-negotiated and we can free up some room then we can get back into those types of trades. Keeping in mind that we don’t really want to be giving away any early draft pick(s).
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GM was fairly confident that they had a plan and direction that could bring us sustained success and encouraged supporters to get behind the Club. They would stick to the plan put in place and aren’t about to be dictated to or distracted by outside influences. And was really strong in that they knew what they were doing. Will keep members and supporters as informed as possible. I think the message was, don’t go off the deep end if things occasionally don’t go according to plan. As long as we stick to what we’re doing, we’ll get to where we’re going.
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Unlikely we can go after another Nathan Brown/Kane Johnson type this year, as we don’t have the room to do so. Once some of our senior players’ contracts are re-negotiated and we can free up some room then we can get back into those types of trades. Keeping in mind that we don’t really want to be giving away any early draft pick(s).
We cannot afford to trade away our early picks unless we were able to trade for a higher pick. E.g. Say we end up with pick 12 - if we could trade pick 12 and a player for another teams pick in the top 5 I'd go for that :thumbsup
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As seems to happen most years, he also said that this year’s draft, at this stage, was not going to be that deep.
Unlikely we can go after another Nathan Brown/Kane Johnson type this year, as we don’t have the room to do so. Once some of our senior players’ contracts are re-negotiated and we can free up some room then we can get back into those types of trades. Keeping in mind that we don’t really want to be giving away any early draft pick(s).
Thanks for the report on the night TS :cheers.
Glad to hear we won't be trading away our early picks. I'm surprised Miller said we don't have the room in our TPP. I always thought this year we were well below the salary cap with a 3% rise to come next year.
All the experts said last year's draft was going to be weak after the first 5. Looks like it was a pretty good one so far. It's up to our recruiters to be smart (and hopefully smarter than the other clubs) with their choices.
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:thumbsup MT.
Glad to hear we won't be trading away our early picks. I'm surprised Miller said we don't have the room in our TPP. I always thought this year we were well below the salary cap with a 3% rise to come next year.
I hope I got that right MT. But the impression I got was that there may not be as much activity at the end of the season as perhaps we would like, for various reasons (i.e. existing contracts, depth of the draft).
All the experts said last year's draft was going to be weak after the first 5. Looks like it was a pretty good one so far. It's up to our recruiters to be smart (and hopefully smarter than the other clubs) with their choices.
On this point, GM did say that they are still out there scouring various states. Anthony Mithen added that we have one of the best recruiters of the past 20 years at RFC, so regardless of cut backs and whatever else, we can still hope to draft some good young players to the Club.
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I hope I got that right MT. But the impression I got was that there may not be as much activity at the end of the season as perhaps we would like, for various reasons (i.e. existing contracts, depth of the draft).
I'm sure you're right TS :thumbsup. Come to think of it maybe when Miller said we don't have the room he might have meant in terms of actual dollars. Technically we could go after a name but in terms of $$$ and maintaining the football department budget we can't. In any case we should be using our drafts picks to develop our own stars of the future and only use the PSD or late picks to pick up "experienced" players from other clubs.
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I'm sure you're right TS :thumbsup. Come to think of it maybe when Miller said we don't have the room he might have meant in terms of actual dollars. Technically we could go after a name but in terms of $$$ and maintaining the football department budget we can't.
I think that sounds more like it MT. Trust you to sound like you went to the meeting more than me? 8)
In any case we should be using our drafts picks to develop our own stars of the future and only use the PSD or late picks to pick up "experienced" players from other clubs.
I think that will be how it will mostly work, and it was mentioned that TW wants to go down the track of developing our own players, which he stated when he first took on the role.
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As it was held in whoop whoop Wantirna lol too far to go.
I think that will be how it will mostly work, and it was mentioned that TW wants to go down the track of developing our own players, which he stated when he first took on the role.
That's all we want. No quick fixes :thumbsup
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As it was held in whoop whoop Wantirna lol too far to go.
I think that will be how it will mostly work, and it was mentioned that TW wants to go down the track of developing our own players, which he stated when he first took on the role.
That's all we want. No quick fixes :thumbsup
They aren't ALL bad, i mean Houlihan was a good pickup! :lol
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They aren't ALL bad, i mean Houlihan was a good pickup! :lol
LOL so was Hudson, Bidders, Fleming, Fletcher, Marsh, .... :help
Did anyone see some of the EJ Whitten game? Daffy and Hudson were playing plus current coaches Royal and Alessio. Daffy's disposal was a precise as ever lol. On the run all clear 35 metres out from goal and kicked it out on the full :lol.
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They aren't ALL bad, i mean Houlihan was a good pickup! :lol
LOL so was Hudson, Bidders, Fleming, Fletcher, Marsh, .... :help
Did anyone see some of the EJ Whitten game? Daffy and Hudson were playing plus current coaches Royal and Alessio. Daffy's disposal was a precise as ever lol. On the run all clear 35 metres out from goal and kicked it out on the full :lol.
I was always a Fleming fan, too bad he wasn't that skilled and was 27! :'(
Yes i did see that, brung back "fond" memories of the Daffy days!
Though i must admit, i wouldn't mind seeing Royal break out the gear for saturday night, atleast he can kick goals! :rollin
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LOL Old and with no skill is an affliction suffered by many a Tiger player over the past 25 years. Fleming is still running around in the SANFL for South Adelaide along with Clay Sampson. Just pure skill there in that team :rollin
Chocco showed class never leaves you even when you slow down with age. Yeah run him off the bench ;D
And not forgetting Spud demonstrating once again his oblivious to what's going on coaching technique lol.
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my info is that we are currently at 94% of the salary cap. We are well under. The only reason we wont go after a player is to ensure budgets are maintained- the tigers will record a profit this year but we are no means out of the woods yet. stick to the draft. i also agree that we will try and offload our 1st round pick and a player to move higher up the draft order in round 1.
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Tivs + our 1st round pick (low teen pick) for one of the Blues 1st round picks (top 5) + their 2nd (high teen) round pick ;)
my info is that we are currently at 94% of the salary cap. We are well under.
That's what I've heard RT and that's with Richo not included as a veteran. We have stacks of room to play with.
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That is done a lot in NBA trades, trading pick+player for slightly higher pick.
I don't know if we could do it though, maybe trade our 1st rounder (10-13) and 2nd rounder (26-29) and player for a pick around 4-7.
We won't be able to pull off a Hawthorn jump, that was a ridiculous trade by the pies.
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Re: Cap room, we need to keep a few % up for sleeves, for when some of the kids ask for more $$$.
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I don't know if we could do it though, maybe trade our 1st rounder (10-13) and 2nd rounder (26-29) and player for a pick around 4-7.
We really don't want to get into offering 2 or 3 for 1 offers IMHO. Giving up two picks for only one in return even a higher one will rob us of depth down the track. We can still pick up quality (Cogs for instance) with second round picks if we have done our homework.
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The only reason we wont go after a player is to ensure budgets are maintained- the tigers will record a profit this year but we are no means out of the woods yet. stick to the draft. i also agree that we will try and offload our 1st round pick and a player to move higher up the draft order in round 1.
Spot on RT - that's the key to any financial recovery stick to stringent budgets. It is very important that we as a club not get carried away with making a small profit this year - we need to sustain that sort of performance for the next 5-10 years :thumbsup
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I don't know if we could do it though, maybe trade our 1st rounder (10-13) and 2nd rounder (26-29) and player for a pick around 4-7.
We really don't want to get into offering 2 or 3 for 1 offers IMHO. Giving up two picks for only one in return even a higher one will rob us of depth down the track. We can still pick up quality (Cogs for instance) with second round picks if we have done our homework.
I agree, i ain't a fan of giving away 2-3 players for 1, but thats the only realistic way you are going to get a higher pick!
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I agree, i ain't a fan of giving away 2-3 players for 1, but thats the only realistic way you are going to get a higher pick!
Giving away someone who isn't up to it along with a pick for a higher pick I'm not totally against. But giving away 1st and 2nd round picks in exchange for a single draft pick should be a no-no. 1st and 2nd round picks are far too valuable IMO.
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Go for depth, as MT says. With a 1st and 2nd round pick you have almost as much chance of the 2nd round player being as good, if not better than the 1st rounder. Just because a player is selected early on doesn't guarantee anything and why give yourself just one chance of drafting a good player when you can have two chances at it?
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Go for depth, as MT says. With a 1st and 2nd round pick you have almost as much chance of the 2nd round player being as good, if not better than the 1st rounder. Just because a player is selected early on doesn't guarantee anything and why give yourself just one chance of drafting a good player when you can have two chances at it?
I agree, let me clarify, I WASN'T SAYING WE SHOULD DO IT, I WAS SAYING THIS IS THE ONLY REALISTIC WAY YUOR GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET A HIGHER PICK!!!!!!!
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I'm all for building through the draft, Geez why can't people read!
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I agree, let me clarify, I WASN'T SAYING WE SHOULD DO IT, I WAS SAYING THIS IS THE ONLY REALISTIC WAY YUOR GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET A HIGHER PICK!!!!!!!
I reckon it comes down to where your picks are.
A second round pick for a team finishing in the top 4 is equivalent to an early 3rd round for a lower team.
As I said earlier I would look at a player and our first pick if our first pick is outside the top 10 to try and get in the top 5 or 6. Hell you would even have to consider throwing a 3rd round pick I reckon.
But I doubt that a lower team would be interested in giving up a pick 5 for picks say 12 and 28-30. They's want more especially if the talent pool is not as good as previous years.
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I'm all for building through the draft, Geez why can't people read!
:rollin :rollin been doin budgets Razor ;D
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i think it will be something like our first pick anywhere between 8-11 and atleast 1 player out of (Tivendale, Bowden, Chaffey, Krakouer, Hall) for 1 of Carltons early picks probably pick 3 if Hawthorn get a priority as well. I also think that its possible that it may be 2 players but in that instance likely to be Tivendale and Chaffey. Leaving Krakouer and Hall to be looked at for trading elsewhere. Sydney were wanting Hall 2 years ago for a 2nd round pick, he is a better player now- Geelong were also interested but may have salary cap issues. Krakouer is interesting i think a whole host of clubs would be interested and we would get another 1st round for Krakouer. If these trades happen look for us to make a play for Marc Murphy with the 2nd 1st rounder. :shh
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Go for depth, as MT says. With a 1st and 2nd round pick you have almost as much chance of the 2nd round player being as good, if not better than the 1st rounder. Just because a player is selected early on doesn't guarantee anything and why give yourself just one chance of drafting a good player when you can have two chances at it?
I agree, let me clarify, I WASN'T SAYING WE SHOULD DO IT, I WAS SAYING THIS IS THE ONLY REALISTIC WAY YUOR GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET A HIGHER PICK!!!!!!!
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
I'm all for building through the draft, Geez why can't people read!
I didn’t think you were suggesting we should go down that track Razorblade. My post was mainly in response to MT’s about depth and was agreeing with why you wouldn’t want to go through with such a deal. Guess it just didn’t come across the right way. I’ll try and take a bit more care next time, although it’s a bit of nuisance when work gets in the way of posting.
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Carlton is the obvious club to go after. Unless there is a miraculous transformation in the form of their list they'll end up easily with a priority pick as well as a high first rounder. Apart from Waite and possibly Stevens their list is weak in the mid-range and youth age break. The rest of their better players - Kouta, Lappin, Camporaele - are getting on in age. They could do with a few half-decent mid-20 something blokes as they couldn't just go all for youth. Any of RT's list are better that what they have now. Most of the "rejects" Pagan picked up were just fringe players at their previous clubs and spent most of their time in the VFL.