One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: TigerLand on September 16, 2013, 11:23:10 PM
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We seem to have finally got the rebuild right. Seems we are cursed and we are thrown a curve ball that one of our top 2-3 future stars wants to be shopped around for best offer. Not to mention the fact that our Premiership window will be minutely small before GC and GWS start to peak. We won't have a window when they do their 2nd rebuild.
The club has as big decision to make with two options of managing the list to push a tilt at the premiership.
Do we:
a) Go for a premiership tilt and try and inject some experience and quality into the list and sacrifice some youth/future stars to push for a flag in the next 2 years.
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b) Continue on our course and try to mix it with the big expansion clubs when they peak.
I've always thought to be going on the option B line but with Dusty wanting to be shopped around and the fact that our salary cap doesn't seem to have a lot of give I'm not sure which is the best way. I hope the club do.
Its seems very 'RICHMOND' to throw out the long term plan and go for a short term tilt but with Dusty being shopped around would it be better for going for someone say a 26-28 year old gun like a Ryan Griffen? Trade someone like Conca and pick 12 to WCE for say someone like Josh Kennedy?* Insert your own trade that includes trading out our youth for older players who are of higher quality now but only have so many years left in the system. This bringing out premiership window forward to compete with the top 4 over the next 2 years before GC and GWS come marching in..
I've hated the short term fixes but maybe its worth looking at as I'm not so sure sending Dustin up to GWS for pick 1 or to Melbourne for pick 2 really helps us much when that player would be 3 years younger than the Gold Coast top end talent.
Should we trade out our youth along with Dusty and get in players at their peak, or to we try and replace Dusty with quality youth and look to compete with GC and GWS when they are peaking. Food for thought Brett Deledio will be 30 when Tom Boyd is 22, if we go down that road. Will our talent be to far spread in terms of experience and age groups that we will lose quality players before some of our younger quality matures? Thoughts?
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we are nowhere near a premiership tilt even if martin stays. realistically at least 3 yrs away from a premieship.
we have no option but embrace the draft and take mature players late nd rookie or frre agency.
we have at least become competetive by embracing the draft and being smart about mature recruits. we waited 30 yrs to get the processes right that has allowed us to become at least competetive. why the hell would we change those processes now.
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Agree claw.
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I mustn't have been clear. If Martin stays then we continue on our 'process' of bringing in players through the draft and building a premiership list.
If he goes we lose our prize asset in the 22 year age bracket leaving a hole there and replacing it with an 18 year old kid who will take 4-5 years to peak. Which will dilute the list in terms of having a core group around the ages of 24-28 and being top 4. Which when Martin is 24-28 we should be in the top 4.
We lose Martin do we go with Tom Boyd and co or do we shop around for a like replacement in terms of age and talent or go for someone who is a better player but is older and has fewer years left in the system. The decision will impact signicantly in terms of when we will have a premiership tilt.
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Your love child is Dust Bin. You must be proud of him, the club raised & baby him & next time you could see him running around in the worst club on the planet jumper CARLSCUM.
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yep dining out with Swann tonight
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yep dining out with Swann tonight
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explain
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Being reported that Dusty, his dad and Carr are dining out with Greg Swan this evening
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reported by who?
if he goes il fair dinkum dump manure on the RFC myself.
deal with anyone but not them
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I have a friend at carlton
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And what are Carlton going to give us for him exactly? They have next to no bargaining power as he is not a free agent (unlike Dale Thomas). :rollin
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Your love child is Dust Bin. You must be proud of him, the club raised & baby him & next time you could see him running around in the worst club on the planet jumper CARLSCUM.
What would you like me to say?
I apologise that when I thought the draft selection of Dusty with pick 3 that I didn't foresee him to chase $$ in 4 years time. Unfortunately U/18 carnivals can only show so much.
Just hope the club benefits from this
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No chance will he to Carlton.
Unless they give us Kreuzar and their first pick, even then I'd still prefer to send him to Melbourne for pick 2.
Pick 2 is a sideways trade, I don't think we win out of it. But don't think we lose.
Would prefer pick 1. But Dustin will win a flag at GWS at that will cut deep. Prefer to send him to the sesspool of MFC
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Your love child is Dust Bin. You must be proud of him, the club raised & baby him & next time you could see him running around in the worst club on the planet jumper CARLSCUM.
What would you like me to say?
I apologise that when I thought the draft selection of Dusty with pick 3 that I didn't foresee him to chase $$ in 4 years time. Unfortunately U/18 carnivals can only show so much.
Just hope the club benefits from this
na look l'm just takin the pee out of you. His a great player & has been a breath of fresh air & enjoyment to watch. Was by far the best choice l seen the club make for many years. Would seriously hate to lose him but the fact is he is 80% chance to end up at Carlton in a trade to boost the black power at Tigers, Yarran or cotch's ex TAC partner Kruz is on the table. Carlton want a long term midfielder to replace Judd. Only problem with Yarran is he can fail to follow team rules
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in sayin that
Kruz & Cotch read each other very well. Maric has someone to help him out & both players can rest forward & kick goals.
Insert a few new midfielders & it could be exactly what we need. of course we have to trade Rewoldt to & buy a real forward like Butcher or we need to change the game plan to have Rewoldt leading fast in the forward 50. Rewoldt has to step up this year for us to make the top 4.
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the club can FO if they trade for yarran or anything those scumbags have to offer.
Honestly look at their list who would you take. Muprhy, Squibbs, Humphry.
id take no one for Dusty, not one single player.
id say the RFC are 80% chance of not dealing with the Blues Monk
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I would take only Gibbs and their first pick from Carlton. Gibbs is a good player and there first round pick may get us a decent player as well. If they dont want to deal with their pick then I would accept Gibbs and Tuohey from Carlton.
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we should be rebuilding with youth, trying to win a flag before deledio gives it away.
not topping up, ala longeran, aaron edwards, pettard.
history repeating
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here here bents.
Re: Gibbs i disagree ramps. lids and Gibbs very similar players, though lids is much better than that squibb
Dont need 2 of them
Knowing our luck Zach will probably go home after 1 year
the CFC have nothing we want and quite frankly can FO
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we should be rebuilding with youth, trying to win a flag before deledio gives it away.
not topping up, ala longeran, aaron edwards, pettard.
history repeating
2 of them are rookies. hardly history repeating.
How long since we have traded away and early pick for a top up player? huh?
That is our history that we don't want repeated.
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here here bents.
Re: Gibbs i disagree ramps. lids and Gibbs very similar players, though lids is much better than that squibb
Dont need 2 of them
Knowing our luck Zach will probably go home after 1 year
the CFC have nothing we want and quite frankly can FO
actually CCF do have something we want - our arses on a plate.
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the club can FO if they trade for yarran or anything those scumbags have to offer.
Honestly look at their list who would you take. Muprhy, Squibbs, Humphry.
id take no one for Dusty, not one single player.
id say the RFC are 80% chance of not dealing with the Blues Monk
l love your passion for the hate you have for Carlscum. its the worst club, closely followed by Collinwood. :thumbsup
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I'd take one of Kreuzer, Gibbs or Murphy and a late 1st round draft pick because we have a hole in the ruck and you can never get enough good mid fielders.
But what if they offer middle rank players like Andrew Walker or Jeff Garlett or Yarran or Betts
I'd only consider them and I'd want a high 1st rounder as well. Betts and Garlett are able replacements for King but we have King already. And Yarran, is flaky but very quick and might turn into a good wing or half back flank. You'd have to ask Hardwick if he thinks he can get the best out of Yarran.
What would you do with Walker?
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I have a friend at carlton
You poor bastard!!
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I'd take one of Kreuzer, Gibbs or Murphy and a late 1st round draft pick because we have a hole in the ruck and you can never get enough good mid fielders.
But what if they offer middle rank players like Andrew Walker or Jeff Garlett or Yarran or Betts
I'd only consider them and I'd want a high 1st rounder as well. Betts and Garlett are able replacements for King but we have King already. And Yarran, is flaky but very quick and might turn into a good wing or half back flank. You'd have to ask Hardwick if he thinks he can get the best out of Yarran.
What would you do with Walker?
I'd throw walker in the Dingley tip
Yarran is not even worth talking about he is that useless
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Kome home kruzer
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we should be rebuilding with youth, trying to win a flag before deledio gives it away.
not topping up, ala longeran, aaron edwards, pettard.
history repeating
2 of them are rookies. hardly history repeating.
How long since we have traded away and early pick for a top up player? huh?
That is our history that we don't want repeated.
gotta agree. how often has it been said yet the same people ignore it.
i gotta ask how many 29yo and over or veterans do we have on our list. the answer is 3 newman at age 31. king will be 30 at the start of the season as will aaron edwards.
foley is 28 turns 29 next yr add him if you like.
could add stephenson at 31 but hes a rookie. so 5 aged between 28 this yr and 31.
we are not overflowing with oldies we can look at taking a few with later nd rookie or psd picks if need be.
depending on what happens with trades etc we will use 5 or 6 nd poicks on kids inside the top 50. two of em could be decent first round picks.
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would take Chapman & Jolly
massive upgrades on King & Derrickx
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Your love child is Dust Bin. You must be proud of him, the club raised & baby him & next time you could see him running around in the worst club on the planet jumper CARLSCUM.
What would you like me to say?
I apologise that when I thought the draft selection of Dusty with pick 3 that I didn't foresee him to chase $$ in 4 years time. Unfortunately U/18 carnivals can only show so much.
Just hope the club benefits from this
na look l'm just takin the pee out of you. His a great player & has been a breath of fresh air & enjoyment to watch. Was by far the best choice l seen the club make for many years. Would seriously hate to lose him but the fact is he is 80% chance to end up at Carlton in a trade to boost the black power at Tigers, Yarran or cotch's ex TAC partner Kruz is on the table. Carlton want a long term midfielder to replace Judd. Only problem with Yarran is he can fail to follow team rules
Under circumstances, I think I'd 100% take Kreuzar for Martin.
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would take Chapman & Jolly
massive upgrades on King & Derrickx
$$$$$ is the issue.
Will ask for too much and given the direction where our list is I feel it won't happen.
If our list was further advanced two or three years one of these ilk would be a missing piece of our premiership tilt but right now I would say no.
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My attitude is if a player is going to go you get something for them. Sounds like Martin isn't going anywhere though and Conca has signed a 3 year.
Regarding plan A short term or B long term, I'm all for plan B with our top draft picks. And I don't mind recruiting older players with our lower/later picks to fill holes. Its what we've been doing since Hardwick's started and it's working.
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Whoever it was in their wisdom that picked Griffiths ahead Fyfe in the 2009 draft will have to live with one of the dumbest selection decisions of all time. Should be right up there with Tambling/Franklin and Fiora/Pavlich selections and you can throw in Vickery/takeyourpick selection decision too.
I truly hope that fellow isn't at the club anymore because he's a first round pick wonder and even that's debatable (see Vickery).
P. S. this bunch of Sheila's couldn't even beat a team of cheats. Everyone and his dog knows Gibbs hates the tough stuff and he's a stuffin champion against a team of pretending jokers.
Give me a stuffing break. :banghead
Claw posts make a lot of sense now.
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And Gee Mr Tigra if only we'd taken Anthony Morabito ahead of Dustin Martin then it would be us playing Hawthorn this weekend instead of the Dockers ::)
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Whoever it was in their wisdom that picked Griffiths ahead Fyfe in the 2009 draft will have to live with one of the dumbest selection decisions of all time. Should be right up there with Tambling/Franklin and Fiora/Pavlich selections and you can throw in Vickery/takeyourpick selection decision too.
I truly hope that fellow isn't at the club anymore because he's a first round pick wonder and even that's debatable (see Vickery).
P. S. this bunch of Sheila's couldn't even beat a team of cheats. Everyone and his dog knows Gibbs hates the tough stuff and he's a stuffin champion against a team of pretending jokers.
Give me a stuffing break. :banghead
Heres a link to the 2008 national draft:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_AFL_Draft
There is quality before and after Ty, I have been a defender of him and next year is the year im expecting big things from him. If he doesnt deliver then send out the lynch mob but lets not get carried away right now. That shoulder injury alone would have destroyed his confidence not taking into account he was played injured in 2012 for a number of games until they finally pulled the pin.
Once again, I agree he has been dissapointing but he should be coming into that window now :thumbsup
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Whoever it was in their wisdom that picked Griffiths ahead Fyfe in the 2009 draft will have to live with one of the dumbest selection decisions of all time. Should be right up there with Tambling/Franklin and Fiora/Pavlich selections and you can throw in Vickery/takeyourpick selection decision too.
I truly hope that fellow isn't at the club anymore because he's a first round pick wonder and even that's debatable (see Vickery).
P. S. this bunch of Sheila's couldn't even beat a team of cheats. Everyone and his dog knows Gibbs hates the tough stuff and he's a stuffin champion against a team of pretending jokers.
Give me a stuffing break. :banghead
Claw posts make a lot of sense now.
Griffiths clearly hasn't reached his potential but write off KP players at your own peril. Look how much Rance has improved? Tom Hawkins? Just stupid to write of KP players before 23-24. Club looking to give him 1 year next year to prove himself. I think that's about fair.
To his defence he was drafted as a forward and has been put down back so he hasn't had a chance to properly develop yet.
And pointless argument vs Griffiths and Fyfe. If you want to shoot down the Griffiths selection compare him to other KP players. Aaron Black was just about the best forward in the U18s that year from WA and we chose Griffiths instead of him at 25 and went to North.
Fyfe is an onballer we needed to draft a forward as Vickery was drafted as a Ruckman. It was the right selection at the time Griffiths over Fyfe, looking back we probably should have picked Black.
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Whoever it was in their wisdom that picked Griffiths ahead Fyfe in the 2009 draft will have to live with one of the dumbest selection decisions of all time. Should be right up there with Tambling/Franklin and Fiora/Pavlich selections and you can throw in Vickery/takeyourpick selection decision too.
I truly hope that fellow isn't at the club anymore because he's a first round pick wonder and even that's debatable (see Vickery).
P. S. this bunch of Sheila's couldn't even beat a team of cheats. Everyone and his dog knows Gibbs hates the tough stuff and he's a stuffin champion against a team of pretending jokers.
Give me a stuffing break. :banghead
Claw posts make a lot of sense now.
Griffiths clearly hasn't reached his potential but write off KP players at your own peril. Look how much Rance has improved? Tom Hawkins? Just stupid to write of KP players before 23-24. Club looking to give him 1 year next year to prove himself. I think that's about fair.
To his defence he was drafted as a forward and has been put down back so he hasn't had a chance to properly develop yet.
And pointless argument vs Griffiths and Fyfe. If you want to shoot down the Griffiths selection compare him to other KP players. Aaron Black was just about the best forward in the U18s that year from WA and we chose Griffiths instead of him at 25 and went to North.
Fyfe is an onballer we needed to draft a forward as Vickery was drafted as a Ruckman. It was the right selection at the time Griffiths over Fyfe, looking back we probably should have picked Black.
No it's very very simple;
Round 2 pick 19 Tigers Benjamin Griffiths
Round 2 pick 20 Dockers Nathan Fyfe
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
.....And with hindsight. ;D
And what should I expect from Griff next year?
A Tom Hawkins or an Alex Rance or an Aaron Black?????
All I see when I see or hear Griffiths name is FYFE!
And when I watch freo and see Fyfe I shake my head in disbelief just as I do when I see Pavlich...oops I suppose we shouldn't compare Pavlich with Fiora because ones a KPF and we shouldn't compare Tambling with Franklin because ones a KPF.
stuff it!
I'll compare it just the same thankyou because one player is a gun and the other is a dud.
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hmm, one person here is making sense, the other is just digitally raping them self.
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Something else worth noting that at the time Fyfe was always touted to slip well down the draft order due to inconsistent junior form and his skinny frame. If any club was going to take a chance on him it was always going to be a WA side. FWIW many of the phantom drafts had Troy Taylor going before Fyfe :o
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If only we had bought him a house..............................sigh.