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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: YellowandBlackBlood on October 03, 2013, 08:41:31 PM
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Opening the dialogue up: (Assuming we don't trade our pick for say Taylor Adams)
My pick has changed of late because of the loss of Matt White. We need another midfielder but we don't want another slowish one. We need someone with real leg speed. I think we really should go hard for Nathan Freeman from the Sandy Dragons.
181cm 85kg with the best burst of speed of anyone in the draft. Very talented player that is also a clearance machine.
Thoughts?
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Opening the dialogue up: (Assuming we don't trade our pick for say Taylor Adams)
My pick has changed of late because of the loss of Matt White. We need another midfielder but we don't want another slowish one. We need someone with real leg speed. I think we really should go hard for Nathan Freeman from the Sandy Dragons.
181cm 85kg with the best burst of speed of anyone in the draft. Very talented player that is also a clearance machine.
Thoughts?
Sounds good, would be good to see links to highlight videos of the players recommended so we can compare. I can remember a thread like that during the Martin, Scully, Trengrove draft....really saw the goods in Martin way back then..
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Actually, just noted the results of todays combine. He came second in the 20m sprint with a time of 2.82 seconds and first in the repeated sprints with a time of 23.62 seconds.
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Christian Salem is our man :thumbsup
Sandringham Dragons, 183cm, 82kg, 15/7/95
A smooth-moving and classy left-footed midfielder who also played a role for Vic Metro last year as it went on to win the division one title. Has a damaging kick and often sets up play as the linkman through the middle of the ground.
They say damaging kick but this kid is elite on both feet!! The kid will dish it up on a platter to our forwards for many years to come ;)
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I've heard a bit about this kid and if he slips through to us then like , whoa, look out :shh
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I've heard a bit about this kid and if he slips through to us then like , whoa, look out :shh
He'll Slip! we've had our eyes on this kid since birth, he's got a boot on him like a double sided scud missile and is more evasive than a rainbow chameleon sliding through Josephs technicolor dream coat! Whoa!!!
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:shh
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I've heard a bit about this kid and if he slips through to us then like , whoa, look out :shh
He'll Slip! we've had our eyes on this kid since birth, he's got a boot on him like a double sided scud missile and is more evasive than a rainbow chameleon sliding through Josephs technicolor dream coat! Whoa!!!
Actually FJ was there at conception. :lol
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Whoa Loui whoa :shh
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Actually if Ben Lennon slips to us, we'll pick him. Best kick in the draft and was one of the kids training down at punt road like Cotchin did before he was drafted.
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I've heard a bit about this kid and if he slips through to us then like , whoa, look out :shh
He'll Slip! we've had our eyes on this kid since birth, he's got a boot on him like a double sided scud missile and is more evasive than a rainbow chameleon sliding through Josephs technicolor dream coat! Whoa!!!
Actually FJ was there at conception. :lol
Miss Salem :shh
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Actually if Ben Lennon slips to us, we'll pick him. Best kick in the draft and was one of the kids training down at punt road like Cotchin did before he was drafted.
Yea I've heard a bit about him too, whatever, I haven't got a worry in the world with fj at the draft table, fair dinkum he could spot the next black cav at glance if he were at the yearling sales. He's a god damn genius at spotting talent and I'm still pinching myself we have him on the payroll :clapping
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:ROTFL
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:lol :lol
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If we pick a player that the club overlooks are we then qualified to slag off at the kid who got picked for the rest of his career?
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If we pick a player that the club overlooks are we then qualified to slag off at the kid who got picked for the rest of his career?
Of course! That's the main benefit of threads like this!
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If we pick a player that the club overlooks are we then qualified to slag off at the kid who got picked for the rest of his career?
Yeah right, like what do we know compared to fj, he has a memory like a steel trap when it comes to draftees CV. And I mean detail, :shh have I mentioned pro scout. Blair. Hartley talk about a dream recruiting team :clapping
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I've heard a bit about this kid and if he slips through to us then like , whoa, look out :shh
He'll Slip! we've had our eyes on this kid since birth, he's got a boot on him like a double sided scud missile and is more evasive than a rainbow chameleon sliding through Josephs technicolor dream coat! Whoa!!!
:rollin :rollin :clapping :clapping Quote of the year!!!!
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I've heard a bit about this kid and if he slips through to us then like , whoa, look out :shh
He'll Slip! we've had our eyes on this kid since birth, he's got a boot on him like a double sided scud missile and is more evasive than a rainbow chameleon sliding through Josephs technicolor dream coat! Whoa!!!
:lol
:clapping
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what I do this time sheesh, was it the ball gag or the carrot?
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You know the old saying Owl
"When in doubt, go the ball gag"
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Actually if Ben Lennon slips to us, we'll pick him. Best kick in the draft and was one of the kids training down at punt road like Cotchin did before he was drafted.
Yep this kid gets my vote. Had a cracker of a combine and had huge wraps on him for ages. I think he'll go around 4-8 though. Be very surprised if he slips to us.
Best kick at combine and furthest kick too. Good body size, ready made. Apparently only weakness is inside ball but we have enough of those types. Get another 60m goal kicker and have him and Dusty bombing goals into the stand from outside 50 would be superb.
Lennon is our man. Otherwise Salem I think is a handy pick up.
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Trade Radio's top 10 phantom draft today ...
@TFoenander's top 10:
1. Boyd
2. Kelly
3. Aish
4. Scharenberg
5. Billings
6. Sheed
7. Bontempelli
8. McDonald
9. Kolodjashnij
10. Lennon
https://twitter.com/traderadio
With pick 11 we'll get first crack at whomever is left.
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the one ive really liked for a while now is scharenberg but he wont get to pick 5 yet alone pick 11.
the one im warming to most is jonathon marsh have a feeling he wont be there either.
if looking at a mid dom sheed and blake acres are the two i like most.
would really love for us to have two more picks between 20 and 30.
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Inside Football's Brett Anderson's Mock Top 10:
1. Boyd
2. Aish
3. Kelly
4. Scharenberg
5. Kolodjashnij
6. Billings
7. Freeman
8. McDonald
9. Lennon
10. Bontempelli
The general consensus is that the top 5 in the #AFLDraft are clear cut, but a young Tasmanian may change all that. Kade Kolodjashnij creating a buzz.
https://twitter.com/BrettAndersonIF
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Lmao if melb select another skinny little outside twerp in aish like last year with toumpas. :lol
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The AFL website has Christian Salem going at pick 11 in their Phantom draft form guide. Cameron McCarthy at 12 if we get shoved down one thanks to Pies gaining a compo pick for Thomas.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-09/phantom-draft
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Yeah read up on Salem, seems to be exactly the type of player we'd be after. Inside mid, good over-head with precision left foot kicking.
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From Inside Football's Brett Anderson's twitter:
@KristianPisano - I will go on a three month summer holiday if Sheed gets to Richmond.
@BrettAndersonIF - He'll be there mate.
@L_MNOH - do you think we'll take him though?
@BrettAndersonIF - I'd say Taylor is ahead of him.
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Lewis Taylor perfect fit for us
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midget :banghead
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i hope anderson doesnt know whay his talking about.
173 cms.
pass. Stkilda can have him
salem- clean left foot is the way to go
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Christian Salem is our man :thumbsup
Sandringham Dragons, 183cm, 82kg, 15/7/95
A smooth-moving and classy left-footed midfielder who also played a role for Vic Metro last year as it went on to win the division one title. Has a damaging kick and often sets up play as the linkman through the middle of the ground.
They say damaging kick but this kid is elite on both feet!! The kid will dish it up on a platter to our forwards for many years to come ;)
Because he fits in with our midget recruiting policy ?
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183cm for a mid is not a midget
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This year's draft crop is quite short. Salem would be a very good get.
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I like that friggin hard **** from SA, their captain, wazzhisname
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Shazzas burger?
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I like that friggin hard **** from SA, their captain, wazzhisname
Aish....will be gonski :(
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No not those limpgots, Dunstan or something
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dunstans a nice player, good size for a footballer as well. taylor can play but geez his short.
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183cm for a mid is not a midget
It is. When the norm is 6'3 mids
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183cm for a mid is not a midget
It is. When the norm is 6'3 mids
Name the 6.3 mids then name the mids around 183-85.
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How did Freo go this year?
How tall are the mids there?
are Judd and Deledio any good?
How talls Dusty?
If you are under 6'2 you are fighting an uphill battle, these days.
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Rubbish
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barlow 189
crowley 188
munday 192
fyfe 190
royce hart is/was 6'1. Same size as Dusty.
the trend wont be reversing
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Sample size says you are correct
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birchall 193
smtth 188
burgoyne, hodge, lewis 186
Why do the like of Fortunato Caruso, and other Morrish Medal winners not get drafted to the AFL despite being the best player in the u18s?
If there are two kids of equal skill one 190, one 180 the recruiter is going to lean towards the larger
very hard to get drafted if you are fat or short given the current fetish of afl clubs and the way the rules are going
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Birchall lmfao
You're getting shorter...
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mackie 192
corey 191
murdoch 190
steve johnson 189
smedts 189
menzel 188
bartel 187
dundan 187
enright 187
:shh
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You know what a mid is right?
Jack 177
Bird 180
Mitchell 181
hannebery 182
Parker 183
Mcveigh 184
Poor stuffing Sydney lmao
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Lol birchall hodge...
Ablett, Cotch, hanners, Martin, jack, Lewis 186.
Are these guys midgets and not as good as bartel, deledio, Barlow, mundy, etc?
You're not even making sense, in one group you are calling those at 183-185cms midgets then putting the likes of Lewis's, deledio bartel in the 6.3 bracket even though they're abt3 cms taller, and names like enright, mackie, hodge and birch aren't mids
Lol yeah poor Sydney...
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Gentleman
McVeigh = 184 = plus six foot
186 = plus six one
If you draft a mid 5 11 or smaller you taking a risk. Tom Scully (Martin) and Marc Murphy (Pendlebury), even. Granted those sydney players are excellent. Jack is abit of an out of the box selection as he is a superfreak. RFC should trade for his brother...
. evertitt 194
goodes 191
rampe 189
rohan 189
mattner 188
kennedy 188
malceski 188
etc.
Of course not every short player is bad but you have to be exceptional like Sam Mitchel or an indigenous speed demon preferably.
Hodge plays tall beating ruckman when he plays as the back pocket / quarter back.... One could argue that position is arguably more important than pure midfielder these days.
is birchall a kpp?
You know what a mid is right?
Im not sure. Why dont you give me the definition? IMO the way the game is played now with running, zones, flooding, rugby there is not more mids. Certainly not in the rover, ruck rover sense. For me anything that is not a 'tall' ie. ruckman or chf/chb etc. is a 'runner' or a mid.
Sample size says you are correct
the top four and we are in the process of discussion - the 5th team. ;)
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Christian Salem is our man :thumbsup
Sandringham Dragons, 183cm, 82kg, 15/7/95
A smooth-moving and classy left-footed midfielder who also played a role for Vic Metro last year as it went on to win the division one title. Has a damaging kick and often sets up play as the linkman through the middle of the ground.
They say damaging kick but this kid is elite on both feet!! The kid will dish it up on a platter to our forwards for many years to come ;)
ive stuck to the wa boys sheed and acres but what ive seen of others i do like salem.
cant think of his first name but lennon is one we are supposed to be into as awell. i think if lennons there we will take him if not salem is the choice. just what ive heard.
the player im leaning to most is not a mid, though i reckon he could play as one. jonathon marsh looks like he could be anything.
people talking this draft up as if there is nothing there after the top 10 imo id love 4 picks inside 40.
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Claw you want 4 picks inside the top 40 in every draft
Kid in a candy store ;D
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How did Freo go this year?
How tall are the mids there?
are Judd and Deledio any good?
How talls Dusty?
If you are under 6'2 you are fighting an uphill battle, these days.
gotta agree the trend is clearly towards taller mids.
i reckon though size has to come into it a big bodied 185 cm mid can compete with a 190cm mid no problems.
i think if your a small you need some outstanding attributes to play in the midfield now days.
for yrs now ive tended to give any player under 6ft a wide berth unless they are absolute stand outs.
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Claw you want 4 picks inside the top 40 in every draft
Kid in a candy store ;D
yeah im afraid im guilty. have been a firm believer for awhile now of trading into picks rather than out of em.
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Best way to stuff your list is to follow trends Terry
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barlow 189
crowley 188
munday 192
fyfe 190
royce hart is/was 6'1. Same size as Dusty.
the trend wont be reversing
spot on again bents and coach
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Gentleman
McVeigh = 184 = plus six foot
186 = plus six one
If you draft a mid 5 11 or smaller you taking a risk. Tom Scully (Martin) and Marc Murphy (Pendlebury), even. Granted those sydney players are excellent. Jack is abit of an out of the box selection as he is a superfreak. RFC should trade for his brother...
. evertitt 194
goodes 191
rampe 189
rohan 189
mattner 188
kennedy 188
malceski 188
etc.
Of course not every short player is bad but you have to be exceptional like Sam Mitchel or an indigenous speed demon preferably.
Hodge plays tall beating ruckman when he plays as the back pocket / quarter back.... One could argue that position is arguably more important than pure midfielder these days.
is birchall a kpp?
You know what a mid is right?
Im not sure. Why dont you give me the definition? IMO the way the game is played now with running, zones, flooding, rugby there is not more mids. Certainly not in the rover, ruck rover sense. For me anything that is not a 'tall' ie. ruckman or chf/chb etc. is a 'runner' or a mid.
Sample size says you are correct
the top four and we are in the process of discussion - the 5th team. ;)
This started bc you called a 183cm mid in the draft a midget, and I said no its not, now you say 184 is ok which is what i said in my original post - 183-185 is not midget territory and that size mid can hold their own against mids 1 or 2 inches taller than them. If you're talking 175-178cm then yes they will struggle against those 4 inches taller.
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barlow 189
crowley 188
munday 192
fyfe 190
royce hart is/was 6'1. Same size as Dusty.
the trend wont be reversing
spot on again bents and coach
So you guys are saying you won't take a highly skilled mid in the draft bc at 183cms tall he's a midget?
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Best way to stuff your list is to follow trends Terry
lol the best way to fail is ignore the obvious. is that yoiu spud.
hmm wallace believed the game would be 18 skinny flankers before it even happened . what is patently clear is the game has progreses toward 12 14 big bodied mids and utilities.thought vthat would be obvious to anyone who remotely takes an interest in the game.
you only need to look at just how many highly skilled small players are taken each yr and how many are totally ignored. you only need look where most smls are taken now days not mant clubs are prepared to use high picks on smals no matter how well they have gone.
im not saying smalls dont have a place but they have to be damn near on elite in one or more areas of the game to even get looked at.
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Best way to stuff your list is to follow trends Terry
lol the best way to fail is ignore the obvious. is that yoiu spud.
hmm wallace believed the game would be 18 skinny flankers before it even happened . what is patently clear is the game has progreses toward 12 14 big bodied mids and utilities.thought vthat would be obvious to anyone who remotely takes an interest in the game.
you only need to look at just how many highly skilled small players are taken each yr and how many are totally ignored. you only need look where most smls are taken now days not mant clubs are prepared to use high picks on smals no matter how well they have gone.
im not saying smalls dont have a place but they have to be damn near on elite in one or more areas of the game to even get looked at.
To back up this, there is an interview Richo does with Cotchin where the Cap'n pretty much says the same thing. Big bodied midfielders are becoming more and more popular with a) the sub rule and now b) the interchange rotations cap. The last part of quarters and certainly the last quarter usually become more contested.
I like the sound of Salem, but in saying that, I trust Mr Jackson to make the first round pick correctly (gasp, shock, horror).
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Why has this discussion turned into one about big bodies? Are 183-185cm mids midgets?
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It's called shifting the goal posts
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It's called shifting the goal posts
yep, some of these blokes are slicker than whale poo in an ice flow
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Trent Dumont is my pick. Was exceptional in the final series for Norwood and one of the best on ground on grand final day. Wins the hard ball as an inside player and links up well on the outside and kicks it well. 185cm and 87kg...he is ready to go.
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@mightytiges - Any whispers Brett on whom Richmond is looking at with their first pick?
@BrettAndersonIF - "Not at this stage. I think Lewis Taylor would be a good fit though!"
https://twitter.com/BrettAndersonIF/status/389688444751863808
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Gentleman
McVeigh = 184 = plus six foot
186 = plus six one
If you draft a mid 5 11 or smaller you taking a risk. Tom Scully (Martin) and Marc Murphy (Pendlebury), even. Granted those sydney players are excellent. Jack is abit of an out of the box selection as he is a superfreak. RFC should trade for his brother...
. evertitt 194
goodes 191
rampe 189
rohan 189
mattner 188
kennedy 188
malceski 188
etc.
Of course not every short player is bad but you have to be exceptional like Sam Mitchel or an indigenous speed demon preferably.
Hodge plays tall beating ruckman when he plays as the back pocket / quarter back.... One could argue that position is arguably more important than pure midfielder these days.
is birchall a kpp?
You know what a mid is right?
Im not sure. Why dont you give me the definition? IMO the way the game is played now with running, zones, flooding, rugby there is not more mids. Certainly not in the rover, ruck rover sense. For me anything that is not a 'tall' ie. ruckman or chf/chb etc. is a 'runner' or a mid.
Sample size says you are correct
the top four and we are in the process of discussion - the 5th team. ;)
This started bc you called a 183cm mid in the draft a midget, and I said no its not, now you say 184 is ok which is what i said in my original post - 183-185 is not midget territory and that size mid can hold their own against mids 1 or 2 inches taller than them. If you're talking 175-178cm then yes they will struggle against those 4 inches taller.
Seems 6'1" at least is the go, that puts me out. However Greg Williams 176 and K bartlett 177 seemed to go OK or Sam Mitchell 179 but is the day for that size player gone?
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like when they said Power forwards were dead...
and contested football...
and ruckmen...
and only athletes would get drafted...
it's bogus Ted
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With the interchange cap coming in, I'd be happy with a 180cm+ hard running player with a competitive spirit. Elite kicking will be a plus but if that isn't an option, a hard running nut with good tackling pressure and able to dish out the ball by hand to say a deledio or a martin would satisfy me.
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Looking at the draft how do we rate Blake Acres? May be overlooked due to last season, good size and weight,
Billy Hartung too small and light
matt Crouch looks great
Cam McCarthy and Marcus Bontempelli - 194cms and 84 kg - are they talls or smalls?
Christian salem too light?
Lewis Taylor too small and too light
nathan Freeman at likely pick 9 looks like our man 184cm and 85 kg
Freeman is the bolter of this year's draft having quietly crept up on a few of his contemporaries and he has done it through being dynamic. The strong-bodied midfielder finished the year well with the Sandringham Dragons, is a reliable kick, and loves to win the ball at stoppages and then burst from them. Showed his running prowess at the combine when he was ranked quickest for the repeat sprints (23.62 seconds), second for the 20-metre sprint (2.82 seconds) and 10th for the beep test (level 14.10).
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-09/phantom-draft
Picks 1-8 dont even consider them as we won't get them
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Being pretty vanilla here but I'd love Salem but if Pies trade Shaw for Adams and keep their 2 picks I hope we have a plan B as I reckon he'd be the next cab off the rank after the top 10.
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If you are the size of Sam Mitchell you have to be outstanding. Which Mitchell is.
The kid that won the TAC 18 best and fairest, twice. Was not drafted.
It'd be a lot harder for a Greg Williams or Sam Mitchell to be drafted today rather than 10-30 years ago
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like when they said Power forwards were dead...
and contested football...
and ruckmen...
and only athletes would get drafted...
it's bogus Ted
If u can runnot run all day or are short/fat its hard to be drafted.
I know u don't like this news. Perhaps take it up with the rules committee or the list managers / recruitment
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It'd be a lot harder for a Greg Williams or Sam Mitchell to be drafted today rather than 10-30 years ago
Mitchell was overlooked in the 2000 draft and was picked up from a VFL side at #36 a year later.
That wasn't exactly a smooth transition into the AFL.
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I don't disagree
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Most likely won't go Top 20 because of his shoulder injuries but whoever gets Blake Acres will have a gun on their hands. Tall, fast, excellent decision maker with great football nouse and superb poise - exactly the kind of mid we need.
Of course, knowing our luck will probably go between 29- 46. But hey, as long as we got Hampsud to be a minor upgrade on Derickx.
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Richmond will take yet another quality midfielder in the draft, as they have in recent years under recruiter Francis Jackson and coach Damien Hardwick.
Not only are they keen to ensure they have a battery of star midfielders, there are not quality talls available when their mid first-round pick comes around.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-star-dan-jackson-talks-up-ivan-maric-shaun-hampson-ruck-combination/story-fndv8t7m-1226741100634
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i hope we get another big bodied midfielder. someone like luke dunstan from SA may be a good get if our preferred options have been taken.
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i hope we get another big bodied midfielder. someone like luke dunstan from SA may be a good get if our preferred options have been taken.
Yessss, get on the Dunstan train with old Gerks :clapping
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DRAFT UPDATE
Emma Quayle has suggested today that one of the mainstays of the top 5 draft picks this year, could fall out of the top 5 as Tasmanian Kade Kolodjashnij looms as a big smokey at pick 5 to the Gold Coast.
Collingwood and West Coast have all but tied up a deal that'll see Collingwood gain pick 6 and 40 from West Coast, whilst the Eagles will gain pick 11 and 27 from the Pies.
As the Giants have now traded for Pick 2, and given away pick 9, and the Pies holding two top 10 picks, the draft is looming as follows:
Christian Salem has become of serious interest to the Pies according to the SEN website, whilst Tasmanian Kade Kolodjashnij, this years best bona fide rebounding defender has shot up into pick 5 calculations at the Suns.
Emma Quayle has suggested that possibly lightening might strike twice with the Pies, who could yet land a second steal of the draft with suggestions that dual Norwood premiership player, James Aish could slip into their hands at pick 6.
GWS won't overlook Tom Boyd, and SOS has made no secret his admiration for Josh Kelly.
The Saints could take Matt Scharenberg who is a Goddard-type player, and brings immediate class, versatility and height to otherwise a small(ish) side. They will have three picks in the first round, meaning grabbing a tall player and then stocking up on mids could be the path they go down.
Jack Billings is just about certain to fall into the Bulldogs laps at pick 4, however he could fall either way to the Saints or as far as pick 6.
Northern Knights pair Marcus Bontempelli and Ben Lennon are two of the classier players in this years draft, and both could find themselves being selected back-to-back at picks 6 to Collingwood or 7 to Brisbane.
Luke McDonald is locked in at pick 8, but the Demons could go down one of two paths given an array of varying scenarios.
Ben Lennon is tipped to be at pick 9, however the Dees could opt for Patrick Dangerfield clone, Nathan Freeman or his Sandringham teammate Christian Salem.
Dom Sheed is expected to be available at pick 11 for the Eagles, who would've been paying overs at pick 6 for Sheed, regardless.
The current first round could look something like this.
1: GWS - Tom Boyd
2: GWS - Josh Kelly
3: STK - Matt Scharenberg
4: WBD - Jack Billings
5: GCS - Kade Kolodjashnij
6: COL - James Aish
7: BRI - Marcus Bontempelli
8: NTM - Luke McDonald
9: MEL - Ben Lennon
10: COL - Nathan Freeman
11: WCE - Dom Sheed
12: RIC - Christian Salem
13: CAR - Cameron McCarthy
14: GCS - Matt Crouch
15: SYD - Darcy Gardiner
16: GEE - Lewis Taylor
17: FRE - Blake Acres
18: STK - Trent Dumont
19: STK - Luke Dunstan
20: BRI - Billy Hartung
https://www.facebook.com/AFLSeasonAndOffSeasonNews/posts/215487938625442
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Collingwood... :banghead :banghead...every year they do this....they will never go away!!!
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Collingwood... :banghead :banghead...every year they do this....they will never go away!!!
they are smart thats why WAT.
Out of curiosity when did they get pick 6 FFS.
If GWS take Shaw and release pick 6 to them they are completely stuffed up in the head and it makes our decision to not test the waters with foley and grigg even more stupid.
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Out of curiosity when did they get pick 6 FFS.
If GWS take Shaw and release pick 6 to them they are completely stuffed up in the head and it makes our decision to not test the waters with foley and grigg even more stupid.
Try reading the second line of the article.
Nothing to do with GWS.
Foley and Grigg :banghead :banghead :banghead
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The article assumes the swapping of picks between Collingwood and West Coast will be done next week.
Our first pick is now officially 12.
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Pick 12 probably wont get us a good player this year. Need to upgrade our pick now after the White/McGuane fiasco.
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Pick 12 probably wont get us a good player this year. Need to upgrade our pick now after the White/McGuane fiasco.
We're just lucky there's no Adelaide or Bombers in front of us ::)
There will be plenty left at #12 I wouldn't panic to much ;)
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Pick 12 probably wont get us a good player this year. Need to upgrade our pick now after the White/McGuane fiasco.
We're just lucky there's no Adelaide or Bombers in front of us ::)
There will be plenty left at #12 I wouldn't panic to much ;)
how we gonna get through to the draft day if no one is taking the pee in here. seriously!
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Pick 12 probably wont get us a good player this year. Need to upgrade our pick now after the White/McGuane fiasco.
We're just lucky there's no Adelaide or Bombers in front of us ::)
There will be plenty left at #12 I wouldn't panic to much ;)
how we gonna get through to the draft day if no one is taking the pee in here. seriously!
Sheesh :lol I'm counting down the days till we draft a 173cm midget :shh prepare for forum meltdown :lol
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What's this Cameron McCarthy like? Apparently a tall KPF, and one of only two proper tall forwards touted to go in the top 20 this year.
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Think we should take Acres at 12 now. He'll be at least as good as anyone else available there IMO but offers something different and has all the attributes we need. Unless the plan is to stockpile future quality tradebait, we risk building a very one paced & one dimensional midfield if we keep drafting similar trpes every year. All very well to have a list full of "leaders" but we all know what they say about too many chiefs - time to give them some talented indians to lead .
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John eales once said that it was because they had so many leaders that they won the 1999 world cup and that basically you cant have too many.
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Luke Dunstan was captain of SA in the teal cup. Thats who we should get if no one slides.
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has everyone seen vision of these players or are u all basing it on heresay and what u read on bigfooty?
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Trent Dumont would be more than suitable for our pick. Played a great finals series for Norwood and was in the top 3 best on ground in the grand final...not a bad effort playing amongst men. Was clearly better than Ash and wins his own ball, can play outside, has good foot skills and runs to the right spots. He reminds me of Vlastuin the way he plays. :thumbsup
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has everyone seen vision of these players or are u all basing it on heresay and what u read on bigfooty?
I rummage through bojo's letter box :shh
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has everyone seen vision of these players or are u all basing it on heresay and what u read on bigfooty?
big footy is the bible ;D
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has everyone seen vision of these players or are u all basing it on heresay and what u read on bigfooty?
I have. At this stage I'd probably go Freeman or Salem but I don't think Salem will be there. Freeman is probably a bit more raw than Salem and has a few deficiencies but he also has more weapons IMO so if we can get Choco to develop him into a more-rounded player we'd have a gun.
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Patrick Freemanfield
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James troisi
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Patrick Freemanfield
:clapping
More Luke Freemanuey to me though. If he grows 10cm and starts kicking shanks off the side of his boot more regularly then Freemanfield will be more appropriate. ;D
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The draft hub is up on the AFL website.
Has video of 130 prospects.
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The draft hub is up on the AFL website.
Has video of 130 prospects.
Any chance of someone posting up the one of Salem, it takes me too long to download from that site...cheers
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Looked at some of the vids.
Acres is going to be a beauty!
Salem is pretty good too. Either of these 2 will suffice!
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For our team the two players who fit our style the best are 1) Luke Dunstan and 2) Christian Salem. Both very good footballers, good kicks, Salem seems a bit quicker but Dunstan is not slow either. If we get 1 of the 2 Id be pleased. Considering that many consider dunstan a pick between 15 and 20, we should try and get another pick and hope Salem is still there at 12 and pick up Dunstan a bit later. Would be an excellent result for us, but if we only have 1 pick inside 20 I would pick Dunstan.
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VIDEO of some of the midfielders likely to be around our first pick:
Christian Salem: http://www.afl.com.au/video?guid=591362
Bio: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-20/christian-salem
Ben Lennon: http://www.afl.com.au/video?guid=591358
Bio: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-20/ben-lennon
Nathan Freeman: http://www.afl.com.au/video?guid=591390
Bio: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-20/nathan-freeman
Lewis Taylor: http://www.afl.com.au/video?guid=591394
Bio: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-20/lewis-taylor
Trent Dumont: http://www.afl.com.au/video?guid=591339
Bio: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-20/trent-dumont
Luke Dunstan: http://www.afl.com.au/video?guid=591344
Bio: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-20/luke-dunstan
Dom Sheed: http://www.afl.com.au/video?guid=591367
Bio: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-20/dom-sheed
http://www.afl.com.au/2013-draft/draftees/midfielders
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Blake Acres - get on him:http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-20/blake-acres
Close as we'll ever get to a Nathan Fyfe of our very own IMO.
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It's Lennon or Salem for mine.
Both will be guns.
I'm leaning towards Lennon, but I think he'll go 8-10
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Blake Acres - get on him:http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-20/blake-acres
Close as we'll ever get to a Nathan Fyfe of our very own IMO.
Agreed!
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Blake Acres - get on him:http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-20/blake-acres
Close as we'll ever get to a Nathan Fyfe of our very own IMO.
Agreed!
hes not a bad player at all but he is an inbetweener at 189cm seems more like a half forward than a midfielder Id prefer to take a full on midfielder like Salem or Dunstan. Chris Knights will be coming in anyway to take up a half forward spot anyway.
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As is always the case after now having watched a few 3 minute highlight packages, I have suddenly become an expert on all things draft.
Freeman- took an eternity to win me over (90 secs is a long time by you tube standards). Nice kick. He has got a slightly awkward kicking posture though, I wonder how that would hold up under pressure. He's very heavily slanted to the right too. It was plain to see even from a 3min vid that he has got absolutely nothing on the left, nothing, and he aint exactly speedy gonzalez so no.
Salem- a strong overhead mark which wont mean much in the AFL at 183cm. Nice left foot, shows some good confidence and might have a trick or two, has he got the tank though. Looks pretty tough. At his size needs to be a gun mid but he thinks he is a miniature CHF, pass.
Dunstan- has a beautiful composed left foot, looks a player that would slot right in, is attacking and has smarts. Looks like Luke Power reincarnated- with a dash of Luke Hodge thrown in. A dash. But I can see how this guy would really appeal to Hardwick. Would we be paying overs with 12?
Lennon- if we can get him, yes please, an inbetweener at 188cm but has the dash to pull it off, if he is not ready now he is fairly close. Shows great attack but I would be happy for him to serve an apprenticeship on a HBF to work on the defensive side and would be a good understudy for Lids.
Acres- would be disappointed if we spend our precious 1st rnd pick on him, sure he looks exciting, it's heart in mouth stuff a little, but those guys can win you games. He is the type that makes you wish you had 2 picks inside the top 20.
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If they want a small forward...............Dayle Garlett has the goal sense and the poise. He does look very classy.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-20/dayle-garlett
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Thanks for all the video links guys!!! Appreciate it.
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There is no doubt that we need a small forward - the question is would you give up pick #12 for Garlett? (IMO he is unlikely to be there for our #50 or whatever number it is).
Rioli went around #12 ish from memory.
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There is no doubt that we need a small forward - the question is would you give up pick #12 for Garlett? (IMO he is unlikely to be there for our #50 or whatever number it is).
Rioli went around #12 ish from memory.
He may not be but from what I've heard the road to redemption is still very far from being completed and there's also a big chance he'll still be available for the rookie draft again.
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There is no doubt that we need a small forward - the question is would you give up pick #12 for Garlett? (IMO he is unlikely to be there for our #50 or whatever number it is).
Rioli went around #12 ish from memory.
Yes.
Don't think he is any worse than say Salem, who we are into
That said I got no idea. :pray to pull of miracle with our latter picks in national draft
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C4[2]Yo`DooR on BF doesn't believe Ben Lennon will get past us at pick 12.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2013-draft.1027984/page-40#post-30723193
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He will probably end up at Collingwood per the mock drafts
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He will probably end up at Collingwood per the mock drafts
Everyone ends up at Collindwood........ >:(
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From all those listed, Sheed would be my pick. Some have said he's not that quick but from what I have seen on his highlight reel, he always seems to have time to dispose of the ball and he does it very accurately. He is also a genuine goal kicker. Would be very handy as a mid who can spend time in the Forward 50.
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From all those listed, Sheed would be my pick. Some have said he's not that quick but from what I have seen on his highlight reel, he always seems to have time to dispose of the ball and he does it very accurately. He is also a genuine goal kicker. Would be very handy as a mid who can spend time in the Forward 50.
I've watched all the vids OER posted, and to me, none of the above look that fleet of foot. Except maybe Lennon.
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Likely top draft picks club by club
Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
October 26, 2013
WITH the Gillette AFL Exchange Period over, all focus shifts to next month's NAB AFL Draft.
Draft selections are settled, and recruiting teams are sorting out orders to take to the Gold Coast on November 21.
For every club's first pick at the draft, AFL.com.au has assessed a player which could fill a need for each club. It is not a phantom draft, but nominating a type of player who might be in contention to improve a respective list.
Three other players have been named who could be drafted or available around that club's particular selection.
Richmond
Pick 12: The Tigers have gone with talented midfielders/half-backs over the last two years in Brandon Ellis and Nick Vlastuin. A similar player could be in store in Christian Salem, a precise left-footer with excellent marking ability and a damaging option through the midfield and half-forward.
Around the mark: Blake Acres, Ben Lennon, Nathan Freeman
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-26/your-clubs-top-draft-priority
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Has the shemons picking up Salem at #9
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Most likely won't go Top 20 because of his shoulder injuries but whoever gets Blake Acres will have a gun on their hands. Tall, fast, excellent decision maker with great football nouse and superb poise - exactly the kind of mid we need.
Of course, knowing our luck will probably go between 29- 46. But hey, as long as we got Hampsud to be a minor upgrade on Derickx.
yep acres and sheed for me still. just love the way acres goes about it has all of the above and can find his own ball. beauty is he could play hb if need be and at 190cm would be a handful up forward. not only getting a genuine mid but a genuine utility. this kid will also be a great size and will be able to compete with anyone. only scharenburg has more strings to his bow.
dom sheed geez its a bit like vlastuin last yr based on performances, was a top 5 pick yet everyone had him going at 18 20. sheed has been fantastic was the player of the champs and for what ever reason people keep on slipping him down the order.
the top 20 is a pretty good top 20. still would like 3 other picks in the top 40 or so as there will be good chances to pick up some real good kids.
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Has the shemons picking up Salem at #9
:thumbsup
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Jay Clark and Sam Landsberger from the Herald-Sun have us taking Christian Salem at 12 in their phantom draft although they also say we could pip the Blues for Cameron McCarthy.
Draft experts Jay Clark and Sam Landsberger give their thoughts ahead of the AFL national draft
Sam Landsberger, Jay Clark
From: Herald Sun
October 27, 2013 7:30PM
SUPERFOOTY draft experts Jay Clark and Sam Landsberger have spoken to all the clubs and come up with their likely top 20 picks in this year's AFL national draft.
Take a look at each pick and read through our bio of each player as we count down to draft day on Thursday November 21.
1. Greater Western Sydney
TOM BOYD
200cm, 103kg
Club: Eastern Ranges
Another hulking spearhead to add to the Giants key forward riches. What elevates Boyd is his football smarts; his aerial timing and judgment on the lead is well advanced.
2. Greater Western Sydney
JOSH KELLY
183cm, 75kg
Club: Sandringham Dragons
Aerobic midfield beast with an elite left foot who can play inside and outside. Unflappable teenager who averaged 154 SuperCoach pts in the TAC Cup.
3. St Kilda
JACK BILLINGS
184cm, 78kg
Club: Oakleigh Chargers
Classy half-forward has oodles of x-factor. Superb ball use on both sides and great mark for his size will add coat of gloss to Saints forward half. Will become A-Grade midfielder.
4. Western Bulldogs
JAMES AISH
184cm, 75kg
Club: Norwood
A two-time senior premiership midfielder with trundles of outside class which the Dogs need. A rich history of SANFL talent runs in the bloodlines.
5. Gold Coast
KADE KOLODJASHNIJ
190cm, 81kg
Club: Launceston
Another Scotty Clayton special. Athletic and tall half back is so damaging with his running game, like Grant Birchall or Andrew Mackie. Has poise and a beautiful left foot.
6. Collingwood
MARCUS BONTEMPELLI
192cm, 83kg
Northern Knights
Nick Dal Santo's cousin who was thrown into the midfield late this season and dominated clearances. Raking left footer with great vision and athleticism, like Scott Pendlebury. Time stops around him.
7. Brisbane
MATT SCHARENBERG
190cm, 87kg
Club: Glenelg
The ultimate prototype. Can play anywhere like Brendon Goddard, marks strongly overhead and provides clever drive. Dual All-Australian would be a steal here for the Lions.
8. North Melbourne (Father-son)
LUKE MCDONALD
188cm 85kg
Club: Werribee
Hard-running defender with a deadly left-foot and strong leadership, like Luke Hodge. Dominated the VFL finals and will slot straight into Brad Scott's side.
9. Melbourne
NATHAN FREEMAN
182cm, 85kg
Club: Sandringham Dragons
Inside midfielder is exhilarating to watch, using his top-line speed to burst away from danger or cut apart stoppages, in the same vein as Patrick Dangerfield. Will add bite to one-paced Dees midfield.
10. Collingwood
BEN LENNON
188cm, 77kg
Club: Northern Knights
One of the most offensively gifted and exciting players in the draft due to his lethal long kick and courageous overhead marking. Kicks goals but could also settle on a back flank, helping fill the Heath Shaw void.
11. West Coast
DOM SHEED
184cm, 83kg
Club: Subiaco
The man the Eagles wanted at six slips to 11, validating move to fall down the order. Well-rounded midfielder racks up big numbers and is damaging by hand or foot, despite lacking a top gear.
12. Richmond
CHRISTIAN SALEM
183cm, 81kg
Club: Sandringham Dragons
Combines strength with silk, like Dan Hannebery, in a perfect mix for the Tiges. Salem’s left foot is precise, he kicks goals and boasts impressive contested footy numbers.
13. Carlton
CAMERON MCCARTHY
193cm, 85kg
Club: South Fremantle
Key forward who clutches big marks leaping from the side or back of pack. Shot up ranks in his first year of serious footy, before broken leg in the champs. Snug fit for Blues but Richmond could pip them.
14. Greater Western Sydney
DARCY GARDINER
192cm, 85kG
Geelong Falcons
The Giants want a defender here and Gardiner is the best key back in the pool. The All-Australian can clamp down on talls and offers rebound from defence.
15. Sydney
MATT CROUCH
183cm, 80kg
Club: North Ballarat
Aggressive ball magnet who averaged 38 disposals and excels at stoppages. The brother of Brad boasts quick hands and, like Tom Mitchell, would thrive in tight confines of SCG.
16. Geelong
ZAK JONES
181cm, 76kg
Club: Dandenong Stingrays
Fiery defender/inside midfielder with a splash of pace who attacks the footy with purpose. The brother of Nathan won Vic Country's MVP and is a favourite of Stephen Wells. Runs both ways.
17. Fremantle
LEWIS TAYLOR
173cm, 73kg
Geelong Falcons
Explosive ball-winner has the makings of Brent Harvey, combining toughness and pace at ground level. Short stature a turn-off for some but pinpoint skills and gut-run has helped him to dominate junior level.
18. St Kilda
BILLY HARTUNG
177cm, 75kg
Club: Dandenong Stingrays
A running machine who smashed Brad Hill's all-time beep test record at draft camp (16.6) and boasts elite foot skills. A run-and-carry specialist the Saints are monitoring closely to help give them some outside dash.
19. St Kilda
BLAKE ACRES
190cm 80kg
Club: West Perth
Mr Versatile will give Saints a tall and classy ball-winner to plug almost any hole. Wins inside footy, good overhead and is smooth on both sides. Handy size.
20. Gold Coast
LUKE DUNSTAN
185cm, 83kg
Club: Woodville West Torrens
A big-bodied and smart midfielder who shone at the national carnival. Added leadership and strength at clearances has him in first-round mix.
THE WILDCARD
JONATHON MARSH
192cm, 87kg
Club: East Fremantle
Marsh is lightning quick for a big man and can follow up at ground level and turn like Lance Franklin. But he's a project. The Dockers wouldn't mind a big man — could they reach early and pounce at 17?
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/draft-experts-jay-clark-and-sam-landsberger-gives-their-predictions-ahead-of-the-afl-national-draft/story-fnelctok-1226747756197
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Rangas only pls.
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Rangas only pls.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/212fgxz.gif)
You rang? ;D
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:lol could fly a plane between those two front teeth.
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Lmfao Tiga :clapping :clapping
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That prick has a rude lookin bollard
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Brett Anderson @BrettAndersonIF twitter:
"It's funny how one little whisper can flip your Phantom Draft on its ear!! Grab @InsideFooty on Thursday to see my top 20!! #AFLDraft"
".... No but it effects No.9"
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Has the shemons picking up Salem at #9
They won't go past freeman, :shh
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Brett Anderson @BrettAndersonIF twitter:
"It's funny how one little whisper can flip your Phantom Draft on its ear!! Grab @InsideFooty on Thursday to see my top 20!! #AFLDraft"
".... No but it effects No.9"
Melbourne got word that Richmond want Salem and are now going to take him. Poor kid his life is over
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Brett Anderson @BrettAndersonIF twitter:
"It's funny how one little whisper can flip your Phantom Draft on its ear!! Grab @InsideFooty on Thursday to see my top 20!! #AFLDraft"
".... No but it effects No.9"
Melbourne got word that Richmond want Salem and are now going to take him. Poor kid his life is over
Maybe we should leak all the guys we don't want as possible Tiger choices and put everybody off the one we are really after........ :shh
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Richmond have wanted the lebo for two/three years
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Brett Anderson @BrettAndersonIF twitter:
"It's funny how one little whisper can flip your Phantom Draft on its ear!! Grab @InsideFooty on Thursday to see my top 20!! #AFLDraft"
".... No but it effects No.9"
Bit more to it.
Any chance that Cameron McCarthy upset the top 10 plans?
Brett Anderson @BrettAndersonIF twitter:
You might be onto something...
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Does anyone subscribe to the iPad edition?
The draft special digital version is out today. The paper is out Thursday or Friday.
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If its true that we want Salem and we miss out on him and no one slides IMHO we should take Luke Dunstan. He is a much better player than many give him credit for. Very nice left foot kick, good at getting clean first disposal away from the middle, hands are good, knows how to kick a goal and has a very nice overall game and he brings leadership with him. Whilst many are saying Acres I would take Dunstan every single time over Acres. Infact for me Dunstan is a clear no 12 selection if we dont get Salem or no one drops. The Gerkin has it spot on correct with Dunstan.
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Agree Ramps. If no one slides I want Dunstan. I rate him at 6 just below Salem. Acres is the other. Freeman the last option that I'd be willing to take at 12.
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Agree Ramps. If no one slides I want Dunstan. I rate him at 6 just below Salem. Acres is the other. Freeman the last option that I'd be willing to take at 12.
The reason I like Dunstan over Acres is that Dunstan looks more like a natural footballer than Acres. Acres may be very good but Dunstan should be a guaranteed 200 game player. Right height and size for a true midfielder whilst Acres seems more like a wing/half forward to me.
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If its true that we want Salem and we miss out on him and no one slides IMHO we should take Luke Dunstan. He is a much better player than many give him credit for. Very nice left foot kick, good at getting clean first disposal away from the middle, hands are good, knows how to kick a goal and has a very nice overall game and he brings leadership with him. Whilst many are saying Acres I would take Dunstan every single time over Acres. Infact for me Dunstan is a clear no 12 selection if we dont get Salem or no one drops. The Gerkin has it spot on correct with Dunstan.
Its extremely true
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Agree Ramps. If no one slides I want Dunstan. I rate him at 6 just below Salem. Acres is the other. Freeman the last option that I'd be willing to take at 12.
The reason I like Dunstan over Acres is that Dunstan looks more like a natural footballer than Acres. Acres may be very good but Dunstan should be a guaranteed 200 game player. Right height and size for a true midfielder whilst Acres seems more like a wing/half forward to me.
Agree with that. Dunstan is really underrated for mine. As I said I have him at 6. Acres 8 and Freeman 10.
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Brett Anderson @BrettAndersonIF twitter:
"@Ruley35 @InsideFooty If the Pies want both him [Salem] and Bonts they need to take CS first. Only have to worry about Bris taking MB. Dees won't."
"@JoelSchneids Crouch and Taylor [could slide to mid-late teens]. Salem top 10"
Guy Stanford @spidershark3 - What pick is Blake Acres likely to go?
"Anywhere from 12 to 17."
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Reviewed the tapes, my hopes would be for players likely in our range
1. Salem, pace , run and carry and sublime skills
2. Freeman, pace out of the blocks, loves to run and carry, skills not quite as sharp as Salem, would still be happy though
3. Dunstan, likely looking type, doesn't look to have the run and carry of the 2 above but a natural in and under tucky style player
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AFL.com.au's draft expert Callum Twomey and host Mark Macgugan discuss the top 10 and other whispers:
Audio: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-30/new-draft-countdown-podcast
1. GWS - Boyd
2. GWS - Kelly
3. St.K - Make or break pick in the draft. Billings (most likely) but could go for one of the SA pair Aish or Scharenberg (could slip because he hasn't played for a long while and didn't do the combine due to a foot injury)
4. WB - Aish (alternatives Scharenberg or Kade Kolodashnij)
5. GC - Everyone saying Kolodashnij. Aish could slip through which the Suns would jump at.
6. Coll - could go a Freedman, Lennon or Bontempelli (might last to later on [presuming they mean the Pies' pick 10]). Another key pick regarding how the draft pans out.
7. Bris - could go for the 2nd best tall in McCarthy as there will be mids available at their 5 2nd round picks. Otherwise Lennon a possibility.
8. North - Father-Son Luke McDonald.
9. Melb - people only think Melbourne will go for Freedman here because he's the fastest mid in the draft and it'll complement the other mids they traded for.
11. WCE - hesistant to say Dom Sheed for sure as a top 10er may slip but Twomey expects the Eagles to grab him. Acres (the other WA kid) too high for this pick.
12. Rich - there will be a good player available for Richmond whatever happens above.
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tigs2011 any chance at all scharenberg could slip to us?
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did we get schazburger? yes! well done FJ didnt see that coming :clapping
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tigs2011 any chance at all scharenberg could slip to us?
Unlikely unless other clubs above us are put off by him being sight unseen since his foot injury (ie. he didn't attend the draft combine).
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From Callum Twomey's live chat this arvo:
Callum Twomey: Tigers would have to look at Christian Salem if there.
Comment From MJT: Love your work Cal. I've heard a lot of draft pundits suggesting Salem will be a Tiger. Could you list his best attributes?
Callum Twomey: great mark and kick, good awareness, strong, tough and a ball-winner. Improved his running too.
Comment From Eric: Callum looks like you have decided not to mention the tigers at all , numerous questions about tigers selection yet not 1 answer yet - Thanks mate
Callum Twomey: Eric, have said several times that Salem is in the mix there, as is Lennon if he gets that far. They are largely waiting to see who gets through, but a smokey might be in the mix, too!
Comment From Rob: Tigers keen on Zac Jones? Not surprised if Dimma has order another Vlaustin from the menu this week and Zac is as close as you can get.
Twomey didn't answer the question
Comment From Matteo: hey Rob, Freeman, Dumont, Acres and Dunstan also fit the "Hardwick" model. Will be interesting which way they go. Hartung's speed won't go unnoticed either!
Comment From Shane: I think more clubs will have taken notice of Hardwicks model... Conca, Ellis and Vlastuin have all been value first year.
Comment From Brenton: CT who can make an impact in there first season?
Callum Twomey: Brenton, good question. Of the top bracket, it's probably Boyd, McDonald, Salem, Freeman, Lennon, Sheed who will be able to make an impact straight away.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-01/live-chat-draft-tips
Reading between the lines, it looks like Twomey thinks:
1. GWS - Boyd
2. GWS - Kelly
3. St K - Billings
4. WB - Aish
5. GC - Kade Kolodjashnij
6. Coll - Scharenberg
7. Bris - McCarthy
8. North - McDonald (F/S)
9. Melb - Freedman
10. Coll - Lennon
11. WCE - Sheed
12. Rich - Salem
If Lennon slipped to 12 then we'd consider him as he trained with us and we were very impressed.
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From Callum Twomey's live chat this arvo:Reading between the lines, it looks like Twomey thinks:
1. GWS - Boyd
2. GWS - Kelly
3. St K - Billings
4. WB - Aish
5. GC - Kade Kolodjashnij
6. Coll - Scharenberg
7. Bris - McCarthy
8. North - McDonald (F/S)
9. Melb - Freedman
10. Coll - Lennon
11. WCE - Sheed
12. Rich - Salem
If Lennon slipped to 12 then we'd consider him as he trained with us and we were very impressed.
That would mean Bontempelli would slip down to us... Would we pick him over Salem?
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Tsim Bookie is what we want
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Acres comfortably still the one for me. Would be touted as top 5 if he hadn't been injured. Would still take him even if Scharenberg slid.
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If Lennon slipped to 12 then we'd consider him as he trained with us and we were very impressed.
That would be great but I could live with it if Brisbane picked him at 7 and stuffed up Collingwood's plans to get him at 10.
I think that would work out nicely for us if Brisbane went Lennon, it should mean one of the A graders is still left for us.
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tigs2011 any chance at all scharenberg could slip to us?
sheesh one could only hope. absolutely love this kid.reckon he will go top 3 at the latest.
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tigs2011 any chance at all scharenberg could slip to us?
Yes. Best chance is Pies take Salem though. They're probably our biggest threat. It's hard to gauge though because with all the clubs who are rumoured to be interested in players ie. WC with Sheed, you have no idea if they would still go Sheed over Scharenberg because it seemed so unlikely he'd be there. I think it's 50/50 atm that he's there.
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another question - sorry mate but you seem really knowledgeable about the draftees. Who would you prefer out of scharenberg and Salem?
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Word is we'll take Lennon if he's still there. I really hope he isn't. If I hear his name called out before our pick I'll cheer as loud as I will if we call out Acres' name.
Then knowing us we'll probably pick Crouch instead.
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Word is we'll take Lennon if he's still there. I really hope he isn't. If I hear his name called out before our pick I'll cheer as loud as I will if we call out Acres' name.
Then knowing us we'll probably pick Crouch instead.
Where you get your word from ?
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Word is we'll take Lennon if he's still there. I really hope he isn't. If I hear his name called out before our pick I'll cheer as loud as I will if we call out Acres' name.
Then knowing us we'll probably pick Crouch instead.
Where you get your word from ?
A reliable real life source. Said it's between him & Acres if Salem's not there with Lennon favoured on the back of him training with us last year. Also said we would take Scharenberg even if Salem was there but we're not even entertaining thoughts of him sliding.
There's also still some heated debate within the club about taking a chance on Garlett at 50, with a possible compromise of taking him at 68 if he's still there however there are still key people dead set against taking him at all - not even with a rookie pick.
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Also said we would take Scharenberg even if Salem was there
:nope
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Word is we'll take Lennon if he's still there. I really hope he isn't. If I hear his name called out before our pick I'll cheer as loud as I will if we call out Acres' name.
Then knowing us we'll probably pick Crouch instead.
Where you get your word from ?
A reliable real life source. Said it's between him & Acres if Salem's not there with Lennon favoured on the back of him training with us last year. Also said we would take Scharenberg even if Salem was there but we're not even entertaining thoughts of him sliding.
There's also still some heated debate within the club about taking a chance on Garlett at 50, with a possible compromise of taking him at 68 if he's still there however there are still key people dead set against taking him at all - not even with a rookie pick.
Essendon or Hawthorn will take him before we have a chance.
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Word is we'll take Lennon if he's still there. I really hope he isn't. If I hear his name called out before our pick I'll cheer as loud as I will if we call out Acres' name.
Then knowing us we'll probably pick Crouch instead.
Where you get your word from ?
A reliable real life source. Said it's between him & Acres if Salem's not there with Lennon favoured on the back of him training with us last year. Also said we would take Scharenberg even if Salem was there but we're not even entertaining thoughts of him sliding.
There's also still some heated debate within the club about taking a chance on Garlett at 50, with a possible compromise of taking him at 68 if he's still there however there are still key people dead set against taking him at all - not even with a rookie pick.
that's what Im hearing :shh
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another question - sorry mate but you seem really knowledgeable about the draftees. Who would you prefer out of scharenberg and Salem?
salem. He's a gem. Though it's close. I rate Salem 5th and Scharenberg 7th
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Saw about 5 seconds of sharenburg, he won't slip past top 5 , bugger me we d be unstoppable with him on the list :shh
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Saw about 5 seconds of sharenburg, he won't slip past top 5 , bugger me we d be unstoppable with him on the list :shh
We'd be unstoppable with Godzilla on the list too bojo :shh
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Scharenberg looks a class above Salem to me - he & Aish are clearly the two best kids in this draft IMO. Acres really should be rated alongside them too and I suspect quite a few clubs are going to regret overlooking him.
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Brett Anderson's top 20 from the Inside Football draft edition. He has us taking Lennon at pick 12 with Salem gone at 6 to the Pies.
1. GWS Giants
Tom Boyd | Eastern Ranges
Described as a once in a generation player, Boyd will quickly make the Giants forget about missing out on Lance Franklin to their crosstown rivals. His is a great complement to Jeremy Cameron.
2. GWS Giants
Josh Kelly l Sandringham Dragons
Kelly could well have gone in last year's mini-draft but he will add same class on the outside for the Giants and his superb running capabilities will rival that of Tom Scully.
3. St Kilda
Jack Billings | Oakleigh Chargers
Of all the midfielders in this draft, Billings is clearly a potential match winner. He will move from half-forward into the onball rotation as his tank improves, but he is a fine talent.
4. Western Bulldogs
James Aish | Norwood
Aish could well fall to Gold Coast at pick No.5, or even the Pies, but talk is that tha Dogs will be hard pressed to pass up a classy outside ball user of his impeccable bloodlines.
5. Gold Coast Suns
Kade Kolodjashnij | Launceston
The man known as KK has shot up draft boards recently and could even be taken by the Dogs at pick No. 4. If he becomes a Sun, look for them to also take twin brother Jake at pick 27.
6. Collingwood
Christian Salem | Sandringham Dragons
The Pies traded up to this pick to ensure they got their man. Salem is more likely to be taken before pick 10, so they pull the trigger early and add some class to their midfield.
7. Brisbane
Cameron McCarthy | South Fremantle
The first major curve ball of the draft with Brisbane adding to its key forward stocks despite the addition of Jackson Paine. It may be a slight reach, but with so many picks later on, they can bolster their midfield there.
8. North Melbourne
Luke McDonald | Werribee
The son of former Roo and football boss Donald has honed his game in the VFL this year and should be ready to step in at half-back from Round 1, 2014. Pick No.8 is the right value for a player of his talents.
9. Melbourne
Matthew Scharenberg | Glenelg
Considered a top five lock mid year, the rangy utility slips to Melbourne due to the rise of Kolodjashnij and the Lions' punt on McCarthy. Scharenberg has raised a few "go home" concerns with clubs but he is amazing value here for the Dees.
10. Collingwood
Marcus Bontempelli | Northern Knights
The Pies may take the punt that Brisbane and Melbourne pass on the bodied midfielder leaving them with both their main draft targets. His height at the stoppages will be a great asset.
11. West Coast
Dom Sheed | Subiaco
West Coast traded back safe in the knowtedge that its main target would still be available. This is as close to a lock as there can be this far out unless they fall in love with Blake Acres.
12. Richmond
Ben Lennon | Northern Knights
Richmond will be targeting a midfielder and can get another elite kick in Lennon. He is good overhead and having played mostly forward adds a point of difierence to the Tiger mix.
13.Carlton
Nathan Freeman | Sandringham Dragons
Carlton has said it will be looking to add run to its midfield and Freeman has the perfect mix of power and speed to give the Blues a point of difference in the middle.
14. GWS Giants
Torn Cutler | Oakleigh Chargers
The Giants are keen to add to their defense back six and while Cutler didn't play much in 2013 due to injuries, his form in 2012 was as good as any. His rebound and run will be vital when GWS starts to contend.
15. Sydney Swans
Zac Merrett | Sandringham Dragons
Another left-field selection and possibly a slight reach but Merrett has a huge upside. With the recent additions of Kurt Tippetl and Lance Franklin, the Swans need a smart ground-level player to clean up the crumbs.
16. Geelong
Blake Acres | West Perth
The Cats love their big-bodied midfielders and with the loss of Joel Corey can get another Western Australian to eventually take his place. Don't rule out Tom Langdon here as a bolter, however, or Zac Jones.
17. Fremantle
Trent Dumont | Norwood
The Dockers are said to want a key position player, but with McCarthy gone, add to their inside midfield stocks with Dumont. He is ready to play right away, which makes him perfect for a club in premiership mode.
18.St Kilda
Lewis Taylor | Geelong Falcons
If Taylor were 10cm taller, he would have been off the board in the top handful, but he is value here. He can play in the middle or across half forward and has enough tricks to make up for his size. Billy Hartung is also in the mix.
19. St Kilda
Matt Crouch | North Ballarat Rebels
St Kilda continues to revamp its mdfield by adding a clearance machine and genuine footballer in Crouch. He is not as athletic as some of his peers but is a ball-winning animal who can serve the Saints well.
20. Gold Coast Suns
Zac Jones | Dandenong Stingrays
The brother of Demon Nathan could well be off the board by now with Geetong also an admirer, but the Suns are looking for a running defender who can provide grunt.
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Would've thought that Acres and Freeman would come right into the mix at pick 12 if still available.
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Dunstan
Very slow and unskilled
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Best case scenario:
12 - Acres
50 - Garlett
68 - Cain
Worst case scenario:
12 - Lennon
50 - Thomas
68 - Pettard upgrade
(I fear the latter scenario is the most likely of the two.)
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Best case scenario:
12 - Acres
50 - Garlett
68 - Cain
Worst case scenario:
12 - Lennon
50 - Thomas
68 - Pettard upgrade
(I fear the latter scenario is the most likely of the two.)
Pettard is already on the list.
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Best case scenario:
12 - Acres
50 - Garlett
68 - Cain
Worst case scenario:
12 - Lennon
50 - Thomas
68 - Pettard upgrade
(I fear the latter scenario is the most likely of the two.)
Pettard is already on the list.
Must've replaced Tuck. We'll probably upgrade Darrou then.
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I hope Lennon is there, hoping for Lennon, Salam or Freeman in that order under one of the highly fancied drops - I like Salam and Lennon but we look like getting a good one
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Seems like after the first five or so its all a bit up in the air for the top 15, which i think bodes well for us at 12.
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Brett Anderson from Inside Footy @BrettAndersonIF twitter:
"Don't think Salem gets past 9 or 10 but still a long way to go!"
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Sounds like there will be a slider. I'm cool with that as there are a few names there I don't mind.
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Sounds like there will be a slider. I'm cool with that as there are a few names there I don't mind.
Should end up with Scharenberg or Lennon. Could start a Welcome to Tigerland thread for both and just lock one later. :lol
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:lol if we get Scharenberg I'll try and do a backlflip.
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is lennon a mid first or HFF?..skinny or solid build ::)
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Looking at the highlights reels of these lads id now rate as follows for our range pick
sharenburg..Looks like a wayne carey type
Lennon..luke hodge, few more tricks than salem
salem, a midfield maestro
delighted to have any of them tbh and will improve our list :shh
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is lennon a mid first or HFF?..skinny or solid build ::)
HFF first. Can pinch hit midfield. Can also play HBF. He's only light but has the body to stack on the kgs.
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is lennon a mid first or HFF?..skinny or solid build ::)
HFF first. Can pinch hit midfield. Can also play HBF. He's only light but has the body to stack on the kgs.
yeah id agree with that, looks to have enough tricks to play midfield and record suggests he finds the footy no problems, would love to see him in Y&B
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Get the Austrian dude. Scharenberg
Austrians + Germans = power
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Scharenberg will like an even better version of Jake Carlisle (Who I wanted us to draft.) with added Carey-like attributes, Acres is the next Fyfe.
Am I the only one who thinks Boyd is massively overrated?
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Uh, oh, looks like the Tiger website has gone early again.
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s20/tiger_man_nemesis/Hartung_zps76c548e1.jpg)
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looks like an excellent prospect too, prefer a couple of others only due to his 177cm...very good player though and wouldn't be disappointed unless we nabbed him ahead of lennon or salem
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Wears a glove. Tis a sign that he's mentally unstable. Pass
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Would lose him in the grass on ANZ.
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Dimma would not stand for him. Small and soft. Richmond be trolling. :lol
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Notice the potential draftee fine print
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Almost wish that page was real just for who it has us taking at pick 50.
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Almost wish that page was real just for who it has us taking at pick 50.
who?
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Almost wish that page was real just for who it has us taking at pick 50.
who?
Garlett at 50 and Thomas at 68
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:gotigers
Almost wish that page was real just for who it has us taking at pick 50.
who?
Garlett at 50 and Thomas at 68
:lol its funny because we don't rate any of them. Someone is trolling. :lol
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:gotigersAlmost wish that page was real just for who it has us taking at pick 50.
who?
Garlett at 50 and Thomas at 68
:lol its funny because we don't rate any of them. Someone is trolling. :lol
Why don't we rate Gartlett ? He will be a triple premiership player at Hawthorn
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:gotigersAlmost wish that page was real just for who it has us taking at pick 50.
who?
Garlett at 50 and Thomas at 68
:lol its funny because we don't rate any of them. Someone is trolling. :lol
Why don't we rate Gartlett ? He will be a triple premiership player at Hawthorn
Because believe it or not he's not that good. Hawks will delist him once his mandatory contract is up. I remember when Waylen Manson was worth pick 6 on forums. :lol
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From twitter:
@mightytiges - "Recent years Tiges got the kid they targeted: Conca, Ellis, Vlas. Based on #InsideFooty, is Lennon the target you've heard?"
@BrettAndersonIF - "Haven't heard anyone as strong[ly] linked with Richmond this year than as has been the case the past few seasons."
@RT_73 - "Some talk that Salem is the one with the interest of FJ."
@BrettAndersonIF - "Don't think he'll be there mate."
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:gotigersAlmost wish that page was real just for who it has us taking at pick 50.
who?
Garlett at 50 and Thomas at 68
:lol its funny because we don't rate any of them. Someone is trolling. :lol
Why don't we rate Gartlett ? He will be a triple premiership player at Hawthorn
Lol , what with grandpa hodge and Mitchell and roughie in tow, they'll be retired in 18 months , just as garlett comes to grips with turning up to training on time :shh
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After watching some brief youtube packaged highlights I am now an expert and rate them in the following order
burger Can do it all.
Freeman/Lennon - Freeman is a clearance king tough and importantly a linebreaker, love how he wants to take the game on, will slot straight into the guts and help out Cotch and Conca. Im big on linebreakers whether it be with penetrating kicking or dash so I really rate him.
Lennon is a type we desperately we need, classic leadup mid size HFF with strong hands and a booming elite kick. Will rotate through the guts eventually but never fulltime imo. Will be quite a combination with Dusty and Lids rotating through mid and fwd line. The only players we have on our list that are capable of playing this roll are O'Hanlon and Lids(who is never played there) so bonus that he is such a good prospect too.
Salem Pure mid, good dash and skills, safe bet.
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Yep TM , fingers and toes crossed we have any one of those 4 available , happy with any of them. Can't believe though that burger would get past first 6. I reckon the next tier is a peg below this lot as in hartung (tiny tot) crouch(slow as ) dunstan (foot soldier type) . I'd prob go crouch, any kid that can average 37 possies a game has a freakish ability to find the pill that should overshadow his weaknesses
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Sam Landsberger @SamLandsberger twitter:
"Along with the Dees, Collingwood and Brisbane rate Freeman highly."
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Listen in to the fourth Draft Countdown podcast to hear all the latest on who your club might be picking with AFL.com.au's draft expert Callum Twomey and host Mark Macguguan.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-07/new-draft-countdown-podcast
Twomey - Top 12-13 names known but order is changing every day he makes phone calls. Clubs don't know what players other clubs will select.
1. GWS - Boyd
2. GWS - Kelly
3. St.K - Billings, Aish or Scharenberg. All three an equal chance here.
4. WB - Aish, Kolodnashnij, even talk of Bontempelli.
5. GC - depends on who is leftover. Thinks Kolonashnij.
6. Coll - will shape the next group of selections. Scharenberg if he gets through to pick 6 (he's friends with Brodie Grundy)
Next 5 (picks 7-11) out of Bontempelli, Salem, Freeman, Lennon with McDonald (North's F/S) and Sheed linked to WCE. Scharenberg as well if he falls through.
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Sam Landsberger @SamLandsberger twitter:
"Along with the Dees, Collingwood and Brisbane rate Freeman highly."
I read early this morning on the AFL Trade Whispers page that Collingwood were heavily linked to Freeman at 6 (obviously taking them before 7 and 9) (link: https://www.facebook.com/AFLSeasonAndOffSeasonNews?ref=stream&hc_location=stream). If that's the case, I think the draft may turn out this way:
1. GWS - Tom Boyd
2. GWS - Josh Kelly
3. StK - James Aish
4. WB - Jack Billings
5. GC - Kade Kolingwashidjh (or something like that)
6. Coll - Nathan Freeman
7. Bris - Marcus Botempelli (Can't see them taking McCarthy with their first)
8. Norf - Luke MacDonald
9. Melb - Christian Salem
10. Coll - Matt Sharenburg
11. WC - Dom Sheed
12. Rich - Ben Lennon.
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From Callum Twomey's live chat on the AFL website:
Comment From Shane - "Any chance of Lennon getting through to the Tiges? A star in the making!"
Callum Twomey: "Lennon could get through to the Tigers and I think they'd be hard pressed to ignore him. Really good player, and he spent a week at the club earlier this year."
Callum Twomey: - "Lennon spent a week at Richmond through his AIS-AFL Academy scholarship, but you're right, he grew up barracking for Carlton."
Comment From Jake - "Who will richmond take at 12 callum?"
Callum Twomey: - "Richmond is out of a few I reckon: Lennon, Salem, Freeman, Jones and maybe one or two others. They're largely seeing what falls through to them."
Callum Twomey: - "No chance of Jones getting to the Dees at pick 40. If they want him, they'll need to get him at 9, which won't happen I wouldn't have thought. Few clubs in the 12-18 range who like him."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-08/live-chat-draft-preview
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Barracked for Carltoncheat. Pass
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Barracked for Carltoncheat. Pass
So did Lids :whistle
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Barracked for Carltoncheat. Pass
So did Lids :whistle
That's why he has a pea heart
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Just watched Jones tapes, very good young player, would be happy to see him in y &b , look a real likely type plenty of upside and lots of steel like his brother, could be a genuine smokey :shh
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The Herald-Sun is linking Salem to Collingwood.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/collingwood-circles-midfield-dynamo-christian-salem/story-fnelctok-1226756073229?from=trendinglinks#mm-breached
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They'll have to take him at 6 which is good for our chances to get Scharenberg I think.
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Barracked for Carltoncheat. Pass
So did Lids :whistle
That's why he has a pea heart
Fek man, your becoming like some of the other old cynics around these parts :-\ I take it you still PO about the eliminate final?
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Salem will go top 10 maybe even top 5!
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Salem will go top 10 maybe even top 5!
That would surprise me, my mail rates him from 6 onwards,
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Salem will go top 10 maybe even top 5!
That would surprise me, my mail rates him from 6 onwards,
He is really being talked up at the moment.
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some one will slip to us
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Callum Twomey @AFL_CalTwomey twitter:
"Tassie's Kade Kolodjashnij in the mix for St Kilda's pick three. Big riser this year. Top five picks yet to settle."
Also in contention for the Dogs is Marcus Bontempelli
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-09/kade-kolodjashnijs-rise?utm_medium=RSS
If any of this is true then Aish and Billings slip to picks 5 & 6 and if McCarthy goes to the Lions at 7, Freeman to the Dees at 9 and Sheed to WC at 11 then we would get a choice out of the two of Scharenberg, Salem and Lennon who get past Collingwood at 10.
The media have also in the past week been linking Jones as one of the names in contention at our pick 12.
Callum Twomey @AFL_CalTwomey twitter:
"Fair few clubs like Zak Jones. Should be a top-20 pick. Geelong, Fremantle, Richmond among those who could consider the tough half-back."
"Ben Lennon probably fits into the pick 10-12 range (Coll, WC, Rich). Be a good fit at Tigers. Lewy Taylor could get a look at GWS' pick 14."
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I would be happy with either Salem or Lennon (both have skills they we need)...
I've got my eye on Dwayne Wilson for pick 50 (with his speed he would be a replacment for Matty White) and would love to see us use pick 68 on Willy Rioli (he won't be a starter for 2014 but he would make a wonderful investment for 2015)...
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it doesnt seem impossible a previously rated top 3 / 5 draft selection could slide to richmond given the talk of players 2-12 and attempts to rank them :pray
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its still scharenburg, acres or sheed in that order for me. will say though i do like both lennon and salem.
still cant believe people are thinking sharenburg will slip out of the top 5 yet alone top 10.
people saying this draft is poor are wrong. i still think any pick inside the top 40 will snare a real good player if you do your homework.
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its still scharenburg, acres or sheed in that order for me. will say though i do like both lennon and salem.
still cant believe people are thinking sharenburg will slip out of the top 5 yet alone top 10.
people saying this draft is poor are wrong. i still think any pick inside the top 40 will snare a real good player if you do your homework.
Hi claw
Since you are a big fan of acres, could you please let us all know what the status of his injuries were this year and if he is likely to have them again. Do you have any idea about this ?
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its still scharenburg, acres or sheed in that order for me. will say though i do like both lennon and salem.
still cant believe people are thinking sharenburg will slip out of the top 5 yet alone top 10.
people saying this draft is poor are wrong. i still think any pick inside the top 40 will snare a real good player if you do your homework.
Personally I think we will be lucky if we get a good player at 12 to slide. Lennon looking like the only one of the real top group to be there. Otherwise we will be picking from the next tier.
I think teams picking from say 15-40 will be disappointed with the quality on offer for those picks where you can usually get better players. But I think it runs deep with guys that have some elite attributes but big holes in their game that you;d be happy to take late national or rookie draft. Unfortunately for some teams they'll have to use a top 30 pick on a guy you could normally rookie.
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Ben Lennon looms as draft steal
Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
November 11, 2013 9:57 PM
BEN LENNON could be one of this year's NAB AFL Draft steals, with the Victorian in line to get through to Richmond's pick No.12.
The talented half-forward, who impressed during his week training at Richmond in January as part of his AIS-AFL Academy scholarship, will also be in contention at Collingwood's pick 10 and West Coast's selection 11.
But both the Magpies and Eagles have been more strongly linked to other players in that bracket, which could see Lennon get through to Punt Road.
Matt Scharenberg, Marcus Bontempelli, Nathan Freeman and Christian Salem are believed to be on Collingwood's draft radar with their two selections (six and 10).
West Coast will see if any of the players in the top bracket fall through to them at their first choice, but view the group from pick six through to 12 as being relatively even.
The Eagles traded pick No.6 in the draft for Collingwood's pick 11, as part of a deal to secure homesick Brisbane Lions defender Elliot Yeo.
West Australian midfielder Dom Sheed has been heavily linked to the Eagles throughout the year, but Lennon is also in the mix for West Coast if available.
Lennon's kicking and marking make him one of the most highly rated players in the draft, and he had a consistent year at all levels he played.
He was one of the Academy's best players against Collingwood's VFL team in March, won All Australian honours as a forward after the under-18 championships, and then shifted into the midfield for the Northern Knights as they pushed into the TAC Cup finals.
A number of recruiters have him placed in the best six to eight players in the draft pool.
Midfielders Blake Acres and Matt Crouch and half-back Zak Jones may also come into consideration for the Tigers if Lennon and Salem are selected before their first pick.
Richmond has enjoyed a run of successes with its first selections over the last seven seasons.
Jack Riewoldt (2006), Trent Cotchin (2007), Tyrone Vickery (2008), Dustin Martin (2009), Reece Conca (2010), Brandon Ellis (2011) and Nick Vlastuin (2012) were the club's first picks in the last seven respective drafts, with all playing important roles in the Tigers' return to the finals in 2013.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-11/lennon-looms-as-a-steal?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
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PICK ME: Ben Lennon can make things happen and has the Pies, Lions and Tigers keen
Jay Clark
From: Herald Sun
November 11, 2013 7:00PM
Ben Lennon is a little bit like Robert Murphy.
BEN Lennon needs only a moment to shape a game.
Whether taking a gutsy mark running back with the flight of the ball, or slicing the field open with a 50m pass, the 187cm utility's skills are dazzling.
The Northern Knight this year averaged the third most contested marks and score involvements in the national under-18 championships and registered the third best kicking efficiency in the top-20 ball winners in the TAC Cup, according to Champion Data.
"He just has the right technique in any situation and, if you have got right technique, you can make things look good, but he can make it look really good," former Knights coach Marco Bello said.
The problem, though, with being such a "show-stopper", as one recruiter put it, is proving you can also roll up your sleeves and whack away in and under to get the ball. Busting your gut doing the less glamorous work.
If there was a query over Lennon's ability in this area, the All-Australian dismissed it late this season, putting him on Richmond's draft radar at pick No.12 or higher at pick 7, which belongs to Brisbane Lions.
He spent time at Punt Rd this year as part of the AIS/AFL squad, where one message from straight-shooting development coach Mark Williams was "shave your beard off, you look like a d---head".
After dominating games with his penetrating right-foot kicking on a back and forward flank, Lennon moved onto the ball late in the season to show he could win contested possessions in the midfield, and averaged 28 touches in his last five games.
It rounded out his game, proving the Vic Metro star, like Brendon Goddard, shapes as the ultimate utility.
"I think I did prove that I can play midfield, which taught me a lot and helped my confidence," Lennon said. "I hope I answered a few critics if there were any, but I've still got lot of stuff I have to work on."
His brilliant overhead marking, which proves a constant threat especially when isolated in the forward 50m, has its roots in cricket, playing for Macleod in the northern suburbs.
"The boys always put me in the slips cordon because they thought I had a pretty good eye," Lennon said.
Likewise, his kicking was painstakingly crafted alongside his sister, Grace, who spent long hours honing her golf skills on the driving range.
She is an amateur, hoping to turn pro next year.
Lennon has been invited to the draft on the Gold Coast on November 21,is looking for a similar career breakthrough.
"Having that role model helped instil in me that dedication and work ethic," he said.
"That (kicking) is my trade and I knew I had to work at it.''
BEN LENNON
Northern Knights
Age: 18
Height: 187cm
Weight: 79kg
Position: Utility
SuperCoach avg: 124 pts (TAC Cup)
Draft range: 7-12
In the mix: Brisbane (7), Collingwood (10), Richmond (12)
Plays like: Brendon Goddard
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/pick-me-ben-lennon-can-make-things-happen-and-has-the-pies-lions-and-tigers-keen/story-fnelctok-1226757595829#mm-breached
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Haven't heard anything new ior different from what I was last told but as the big day gets closer I'm starting to get a bad feeling we're going to massively over reach for pick 12. FJ & Hartley have a tendency to be a bit too smart for their own good IMO. So bearing that in mind , I'm now worried we'll grab someone like Crouch which will be the equivalent of using our first round pick on Tuck or Jackson. Not happy with all this recent talk of Jones either. Getting Lennon, who I'm not a huge fan of, would actually be a relief over those two. Also gone off Taylor in a big way - that would be like using a first round pick on Shane Edwards.
Acres still the one for me. I maintain he's the player that clubs will regret overlooking the most and will come back to bite the hardest. Like Grundy will be from last year, Darling from 2010 or Fyfe (who Acres reminds me most of) from 2009. (though I personally regret us overlooking Carlisle more - which is why I find it amusingly ironic some Richmond people are hoping Scharenberg slides.)
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Reading Brett Anderson and Callum Twomey on twitter they now seem to think Scharenberg with go to Melb at 9 and Freeman will slip down to pick 13 (Carlton). Lennon won't get past us at 12.
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Inside Football Mock Draft – Nov. 12th
Brett Anderson
SEN
12.19PM 12-11-2013
The draft is an ever changing beast and our draft expert Brett Anderson has been working the phones to recruiters, player managers and insiders to try to predict what may occur on draft night on November 21.
1. GWS Giants
Tom Boyd | Eastern Ranges | 199cm | 102kg.
Described as a once in a generation player, Boyd will quickly make the Giants forget about missing out on Lance Franklin to their crosstown rivals. He is a great compliment to Jeremy Cameron and boasts the versatility to player further afield – in the ruck, and also down back, at a pinch.
2. GWS Giants
Josh Kelly | Sandringham Dragons | 183cm | 75kg.
Kelly could well have gone in last year’s mini-draft, such is the regard he is held in amongst club recruiters and he will add some class on the outside for the Giants. His running capabilities will rival that of Tom Scully.
3. St Kilda
Jack Billings | Oakleigh Chargers | 184cm | 78kg.
Of all the midfielders in this draft, Billings is clearly the one that can be labeled as a potential match winner. He did have his injury problems this year, which hampered a mooted move into the midfield, but he will shift from half forward into the onball rotation as his tank improves.
4. Western Bulldogs
James Aish | Norwood | 184cm | 75kg.
Touted as a top-three lock pre-season, Aish could well fall to Gold Coast at pick 5, or even further, but talk is that the Dogs – who have drafted a host of inside ‘grunters’ in previous years, will find it hard pressed to pass up a classy outside ball user of his impeccable bloodlines.
5. Gold Coast Suns
Kade Kolodjashnij | Launceston | 190cm | 81kg.
Quiet and unassuming, the man known as ‘KK’ has shot up draft boards over recent months and could even be taken by the Saints at pick 3. If he becomes a Sun, look for them to also take twin brother Jake at pick 20 should he still be on the board as pre draft interviews suggested the twins work better when in tandem.
6. Collingwood
Christian Salem | Sandringham Dragons | 183cm | 81kg.
The Pies traded up to this pick to ensure they got their man. During trade week there was a strong whisper that Sydney were trying to trade ahead of Collingwood (at pick 10) to get their hands on the Dragons ball-winner. The Pies have two clear targets and Salem is more likely to be taken before pick 10, so they pull the trigger and add some class and size to their midfield.
7. Brisbane Lions
Cameron McCarthy | South Fremantle | 195cm | 89kg.
The first major curve ball of the draft with Brisbane adding to their key forward stocks despite the addition of Jackson Paine and a host of other developing talls on their list. It may be a slight reach, but with so many picks in the 20s, they can bolster their midfield there with the strong possibility than at least two highly ranked ball winners will be available.
8. North Melbourne (F/S)
Luke McDonald | Werribee | 188cm | 85kg.
The son of former Roo and football boss Donald has honed his game in the VFL this year and should be ready to step in at half-back from Round 1, 2014. Pick No. 8 is the right value for a player of his talents, despite North supporters complaining about West Coast bidding then trading their pick (6).
9. Melbourne
Matthew Scharenberg | Glenelg | 190cm | 89kg.
Considered a top five lock mid year, the rangy utility slips to Melbourne due to the rise of Kolodjashnij and the Lions punt on McCarthy. Paul Roos has added a fair amount of size and depth to the Dees midfield brigade via trades and free agency, and can do with boosting the back half. Scharenberg has raised a few ‘go home’ concerns with clubs during interviews (which may be a strong reason for Brisbane to pass), but he is amazing value here for the Dees, as he could also develop into another big-bodied midfieder.
10. Collingwood
Marcus Bontempelli | Northern Knights | 191cm | 83kg.
The Pies take educated the punt that both Brisbane and Melbourne pass on the big-bodied midfielder leaving them with both their main draft targets. His height at the stoppages will be a great asset, as will his long left foot, which has the ability to penetrate opposition defences.
11. West Coast
Dom Sheed | Subiaco | 184cm | 83kg.
West Coast traded back from pick No.6 safe in the knowledge that their main target would still be available. This is as close to a lock as there can be unless they fall in love late with fellow Sandgroper Blake Acres. Sheed will be ready to play from Round 1 and will help regenerate the Eagles midfield.
12. Richmond
Ben Lennon | Northern Knights | 188cm | 77kg.
Richmond is said to be targeting a midfielder and they get another elite kick in Lennon. He is very good overhead and having played mostly forward, adds a point of difference to the Tiger mix, and the club is very familiar with him as he spent time at Punt Road during pre season as part of the AIS AFL Academy.
13. Carlton
Nathan Freeman | Sandringham Dragons | 182cm | 85kg.
Carlton has publically declared they will be looking to add more run from their midfield and Freeman has the perfect mix of power and speed to give the Blues a point of difference in the middle. He can be the Blues version of Daniel Kerr or Luke Shuey alongside an aging Chris Judd.
14. GWS Giants
Tom Cutler | Oakleigh Chargers | 190cm | 85kg.
The Giants are keen to add to their defensive back six and whilst Cutler isn’t key position height and didn’t play much in 2013 due to injuries, his form in 2012 was as good as any. His rebound, competitiveness and run will be vital when GWS start to contend. Some may feel this is a touch high, but many clubs rate him inside the top 20 picks.
15. Sydney Swans
Zac Merrett | Sandringham Dragons | 178cm | 73kg.
Another left field selection and possibly a slight reach but Merrett has a huge upside after playing plenty of cricket as a youngster. With the recent additions of Kurt Tippett and Lance Franklin, the Swans need a smart ground level player to clean up the crumbs, and Merrett’s ball use and nous in the front half are in the upper echelon in this draft class.
16. Geelong
Blake Acres | West Perth | 189cm | 84kg.
The Cats have a few clear needs, but there isn’t a key defender available that is worthy of apick this high. Stephen Wells loves big-bodied midfielders and with the loss of Joel Corey, he gets another Western Australian to eventually take his place. Don’t rule out Zak Jones also as the Cats are big fans.
17. Fremantle
Trent Dumont | Norwood | 186cm | 83kg.
The Dockers are said to want a key position player at some stage, but with McCarthy gone, they add to their inside midfield stocks with Dumont (unless they roll the dice on Cameron Giles). Ross Lyon loves to draft players who can run and cover the ground, and Dumont is more than capable in this regard, plus he is ready to play right away which makes him a perfect for a club in premiership mode.
18. St Kilda
Lewis Taylor | Geelong Falcons | 173cm | 73kg.
If Taylor were 10cm taller, he would have been off the board in the top handful of picks, but despite the height concerns he is still very good value here. He can play in the middle or even across half forward and has more than enough tricks to make up for his size.
19. St Kilda
Matt Crouch | North Ballarat Rebels | 180cm | 78kg.
St Kilda continue to revamp their midfield by adding a clearance machine, and genuine footballer in Crouch. He isn’t as athletic as some of his peers – his running is a weakness, or as fashionable, but he’s a ball-winning animal who’ll serve the Saints well alongside Sebastian Ross and David Armitage on the inside of contests.
20. Gold Coast Suns
Jake Kolodjashnij | Launceston | 192cm | 90kg.
Gold Coast is yet to settle their defensive back six and by adding another tall, it will give them a few more options down the track. If the Suns want to pair up the twins, they will need to pick Jake here instead of waiting until pick No.27 with both Port Adelaide and Adelaide looming behind and both having great interest in the versatile defender.
http://www.sen.com.au/inside-football-display-article-2013/Inside-Football-Mock-Draft--Nov-12th/62506
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Shame that Salem has shortened. Seems to have bumped Lennon higher though which is a huge surprise.
Honestly if I'd be very surprised if Lennon wasn't top 10. Could be really lucky with him slipping to 12 with clubs going for what is best for their club instead of best available. Lennon and Salem are Top 6 picks in my opinion. If either slipped to us we are bloody laughing. Freeman not to bad for pick 13 either.
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I haven't seen any of these kids live but all I hope is we take a GENUINE midfielder. No more half/half types. IMO the last 3 first rounders are flanker/wingman types first with midfield second. I cannot see any of them as starting midfielders. That's not to say they are no good, just not GENUINE mids.
Cotch needs some serious help in the middle. IMO Dusty's our only potential starting mid on our list with a bigger tank.
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Funny ubsay that
I was just thinking Lennon sounds alright
Yet he is Goddard non mid apparently
His height is enthusing. Hence I like Lennon ahead Salem freeman
I would rather the, say, 8th best player in the draft even if he's a flanker
Than the 20th best who's a proper mid
If cot chin ain't got help yet he aint never have it. Martin. Deledio. Conca. Vlastuin. Foley. Someone like arnot helbig needs to come good. Just as critical as they uocomming draft
I'm a preemptive defense of deledio comments; if we have another highly skilled trust worth player for the back line the coach would have the luxury of not playing him behind the ball.
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Have a look at a video of him, looks more like a mixture of cotchin and daisey Thomas to me - I hope we get Lennon, Salam or Freeman in that order - Will be stoked to get Lennon or Salam
If someone else slips ,all and good, but being realistic Lennon or Salam or Freeman will be a Tigerland and will be very good
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Funny ubsay that
I was just thinking Lennon sounds alright
Yet he is Goddard non mid apparently
His height is enthusing. Hence I like Lennon ahead Salem freeman
I would rather the, say, 8th best player in the draft even if he's a flanker
Than the 20th best who's a proper mid
If cot chin ain't got help yet he aint never have it. Martin. Deledio. Conca. Vlastuin. Foley. Someone like arnot helbig needs to come good. Just as critical as they uocomming draft
I'm a preemptive defense of deledio comments; if we have another highly skilled trust worth player for the back line the coach would have the luxury of not playing him behind the ball.
I wouldn't draft anyone if they weren't a genuine KP prospect, and I wouldn't draft anyone if they weren't a genuine ruckman prospect, and I wouldn't draft anyone if they weren't a genuine midfielder ever again :whistle
No more skinny flanker/wingman!
IMO it's easier to teach a midfielder to play forward or back than it is to teach a flanker to play midfield.
The reason the kids are playing midfield in the TAC is because they are better than the other kids, who then play on the flanks. Draft ball magnets, not super athletes. Hawthorn I recon are the best at doing just that.
Pretty easy game hey! :lol
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Only top 10 I'm not convinced. Is McCarthy , wouldn't bris go with a solid mid before a flaky kick kpp? ::)
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Wouldnt it be good if Richmond selected Ben Nason at pick 12 just to see what would happen in the forums.
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Only top 10 I'm not convinced. Is McCarthy , wouldn't bris go with a solid mid before a flaky kick kpp? ::)
Isn't that the bloke that kicked the winning goal for WA after the siren???
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Wouldnt it be good if Richmond selected Ben Nason at pick 12 just to see what would happen in the forums.
I don't think anything would be said in the forums - everybody would have had a heart attack and died on the spot!
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We've had many worse players than Ben Nason....some of whom had long careers at the club. Knew where the goals were, ran all day and above all, unlike a few others on our list , was smart and knew where to run. Disposal was average but never really awful.
Just lacked the extra pace & strength a player really needs at that size and was pretty much useless in defence.
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Just lacked the extra pace & strength a player really needs at that size and was pretty much useless in defence.
If I didn't know who you were talking about, I would guess Shaun Grigg.
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Inside Football's Brett Anderson is on SEN now about to do his latest phantom draft (first round).
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Just lacked the extra pace & strength a player really needs at that size and was pretty much useless in defence.
If I didn't know who you were talking about, I would guess Shaun Grigg.
Ha!
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Still jaded from the drafting of Bruce Lennon to draft Benny and the Jets.
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Brett Anderson's first round phantom draft tonight on SEN.
1. GWS - Boyd ..... locked in.
2. GWS - Kelly ..... locked in.
3. StK - Billings ..... now confident they will take him.
4. WB - Bontempelli ..... this will decide the rest of the draft. Latest word is Bontempelli.
5. GC - Kade Kolodnashnij .... lock it in.
6. Coll - Scharenberg ....... initially thought they go Salem but now think they'll hope Salem will be available at 10.
7. Bris - McCarthy ....... invited to the draft so a sign he'll go early.
8. NM - McDonald (F/S)
9. Melb - Freeman or Salem ..... Aish too much like Toumpas.
10. Coll - Aish ..... the Pies will be laughing. This means one of Salem or Freeman will get to Richmond/Carlton.
11. WC - Sheed ...... linked for a long time.
12. Rich - Lennon ..... strongly linked to the Tigers recently.
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better for us if Melbourne take Freeman at 9 and Collingwood take Salem at 10 so we get Aish at 12 for a bit of outside class.
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Aish will be back in South Australia quicker than you can say rundle mall's balls
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Aish will be back in South Australia quicker than you can say rundle mall's balls
Thats ok as well. Any club who gets Aish and then he decides to head back will get properly compensated by either Adelaide or Port Adelaide.
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Aish will be back in South Australia quicker than you can say rundle mall's balls
We'll have to get him here first! Polo in the Park starts the week after ::)
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Champion Data picks the top 30 draft prospects of 2013
Jay Clark and Sam Landsberger
Herald Sun
November 14, 2013 8:00PM
SuperFooty draft experts Jay Clark and Sam Landsberger discuss the top 30 prospects.
THE AFL's official number crunchers select the top 30 players from across the country based on their performances in recent years.
If Champion Data was picking from a schoolyard this is how next week's national draft order would look.
It only includes players who appeared at the national Under-18 championships.
Our own draft experts Jay Clark and Sam Landsberger also run their eye over the rankings and how they might compare to the actual draft.
COLLINGWOOD is set to steal a top-three draft talent for the second year in a row.
After welcoming boom ruckman Brodie Grundy at No. 18 last year they are again shaping as the big winners of the first round with dual All-Australian defender firming as the Pies' No. 6 selection.
The 190cm backman was this week flown to Melbourne by the Demons in the hope he could slip to their No. 9 pick.
In a Herald Sun exclusive, Champion Data ranked Scharenberg the third-best player in the pool.
But the Dees hopes of landing the rebound king appear dashed with the Pies closing on a ready-made Heath Shaw replacement.
1. TOM BOYD
No opponent has been able to compete against Boyd in a contest. The most powerful junior forward since Tom Hawkins. Accurate set-shot.
WE SAY: The Giants will forget about missing out on Buddy Franklin when this bloke blossoms.
2. JOSH KELLY
The best midfielder in the country. Kelly is a ball magnet able to win inside and outside ball and has exceptional skills on both sides.
WE SAY: Melbourne may rue giving this running machine away. Looks a 200-game star.
3. MATTHEW SCHARENBERG
Elite intercept player and ball-winning defender. Has the capacity to push into the midfield. Reads the play exceptionally well.
WE SAY: Sliding down the draft order, making him one of the steals of the draft. Queries on feet issues scaring some clubs.
4. DOM SHEED
The No. 1 ranked midfielder at the national carnival. A stoppage player who breaks away from congested situations and kicks goals.
WE SAY: Eagles should get Sheed at 11, but Lions thinking long and hard.
5. JACK BILLINGS
A creative and dangerous half-forward, earning back-to-back All-Australian honours. Creative by foot and clever overhead.
WE SAY: Can amaze up forward but potential lies in the midfield. Saints looking to pull trigger at No. 3.
6. LEWIS TAYLOR
Brent Harvey-clone dominated his two seasons in the TAC Cup. Taylor's ability to distribute the ball by foot on either side of his body is supreme.
WE SAY: Only 173cm but as a pure footballer he's top five. GWS, armed with pick 14, watching closely.
7. LUKE MCDONALD
Rebounds from defence with penetrating left foot. Wins own ball and is smart going forward.
WE SAY: It will be a sexy halfback line when McDonald and Shaun Atley are breaking lines next year.
8. JAMES AISH
Like Andrew Gaff a wingman with exceptional skills. But if the ball doesn't find him he may struggle.
WE SAY: A surprise to see him so low. Dogs salivating with pick 4, but can get tagged.
9. KADE KOLODJASHNIJ
Creative rebounding defender likened to Grant Birchall. Run-and-carry specialist who will push into the midfield.
WE SAY: Athletic backman is beautiful to watch. Suns in love with his rebound game.
10. BEN LENNON
Overhead marking supreme but top strength is his booming right foot. Best suited as a third tall forward.
WE SAY: Tigers praying he slips to 12. Not a genuine midfielder but a weapon on the flanks.
11. MATT CROUCH
A stoppage beast who thrives in traffic. Ball-winning machine averaging 38 disposals in TAC Cup. Knocks on his kick.
WE SAY: Queries over his running ability could see him slide to join brother Brad.
12. LUKE DUNSTAN
A big-bodied strong midfielder whose No. 1 strength is his stoppage work. Ranked elite for clearances at championships.
WE SAY: Looks a cheap get in the 20s. Could emulate Ollie Wines' impact.
13. CHRISTIAN SALEM
Classy midfielder is silky on his left side. Doesn't need huge numbers to cut apart teams due to high efficiency.
WE SAY: Averaged 145 SuperCoach points, justifying interest from Lions, Dees and Pies.
14. CAM MCCARTHY
Contested marking machine with a big tank. Could be a unique key forward who pushes up to the wing.
WE SAY: Shades of Matthew Richardson. Lions (pick 7) could pip the Pies.
15. MITCH HONEYCHURCH
Damaging midfielder hits the scoreboard. The only TAC Cup player to average more than 20 disposals and two goals a game.
WE SAY: Clubs have him far lower but shapes as a value pick. Dogs keen at 42.
16. MICHAEL GIBBONS
A clearance specialist who averaged 118 SuperCoach points, 23 disposals and five tackles across 41 matches. Hit the scoreboard, booting 31 goals.
WE SAY: A shock given clubs expected Gibbons to be a late-round chance.
17. NATHAN FREEMAN
Unique ability to win clearances and contested footy but can also breakaway with super pace. Hasn't kicked a lot of goals.
WE SAY: Luke Shuey-type would add much-needed speed to Lions onball division.
18. MARCUS BONTEMPELLI
Consistency the big issue. Struggled for Vic Metro but dominated some TAC Cup games onball. His size and skill allow him to play as a midfielder or forward.
WE SAY: Finds time like Scott Pendlebury, but Pies going cold. One for Mick.
19. TRENT DUMONT
Doesn't win huge numbers but Dumont's class and poise under pressure a highlight. High disposal efficiency.
WE SAY: All-rounder who hurts the opposition. Could sneak into the first round.
20. MICHAEL APENESS
Big man from a rugby background who plays forward/ruck like David Hale. Hasn't played much footy but takes a strong grab.
WE SAY: One of the few big men in the draft but ACL recovery a worry for some.
21. DARCY HOURIGAN
Mid-sized forward who thrives in marking contest and is elite at ground level. A proven goalkicker, averaging almost two a game across 51 matches.
WE SAY: Strong like Jack Darling. Had bumper carnival before SANFL form fizzled.
22. BILLY HARTUNG
Weapons include elite ball use and a huge tank. Can burn sides with speed up the wing and wins most of his possessions uncontested.
WE SAY: Saints have done a lot of work but late mail could see him slide into the 20s.
23. TOBY NANKERVIS
Ready-made ruckman overlooked at last year's draft. Wins the ball, pushes forward and produced similar numbers to Brodie Grundy last year.
WE SAY: Nankervis and Rory Lobb are the two best genuine rucks. Dons might pounce.
24. ZAK JONES
Plays like brother Nathan (Melbourne) but with more pace. Contested ball winner is aggressive through the backline and midfield.
WE SAY: In the frame for Tigers at 12 and Cats at 16 but won't get past the Suns at 20.
25. BLAKE ACRES
Injury-hit utility kept to 11 games this year. Classy ball use and at 189cm can play anywhere. Strong overhead.
WE SAY: Clubs are divided but he fits Geelong's mould. Dockers watching.
26. ZACH MERRETT
Lethal left foot does damage across half-forward, like brother Jackson at Essendon. Has midfield potential but best suited kicking inside 50.
WE SAY: Hawks love their sharp left-foot kicking. Strong talk they'll go Dayle Garlett at 24.
27. JAMES TSITAS
Pressure king who excels at stoppages. Dominated every competition this year, including a 128-point TAC Cup SuperCoach average.
WE SAY: Bit of a surprise this high but Tsitas runs both ways and is a big team man.
28. JAY KENNEDY-HARRIS
Best small forward in the draft who wins ball inside 50 and creates scoring opportunities. Showed in the TAC Cup he's now got midfield capabilities.
WE SAY: Think Jake Neade. Excellent tackler who can defy height (173cm).
29. BLAINE JOHNSON
Was WA's second-leading goalkicker at the carnival. In-between size makes for a tough match-up on lead or overhead.
WE SAY: Booming right foot is a weapon outside 50. Later pick.
30. DARCY GARDINER
Clearly the best key defender of the draft and when involved in a one-on-one contest rarely gets beaten. More of a lockdown stopper than a creative backman.
WE SAY: Linked to GWS at 14 but will slide to Saints or Lions.
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HOW JAY CLARK AND SAM LANDSBERGER PREDICT THE TOP 30
1.Greater Western Sydney Tom Boyd (KF)
2. Greater Western Sydney Josh Kelly (Mid)
3. St Kilda Jack Billings (Fwd/Mid)
4. Western Bulldogs James Aish (Mid)
5. Gold Coast Kade Kolodashnij (Def)
6. Collingwood Matthew Scharenberg (Def)
7. Brisbane Nathan Freeman (Mid)
8. North Melbourne Luke McDonald (Def/Mid)
9. Melbourne Christian Salem (Mid)
10. Collingwood Cameron McCarthy (KF)
11. West Coast Dom Sheed (Mid)
12. Richmond Ben Lennon (Fwd-Mid)
13. Carlton Marcus Bontempelli (Mid)
14. Greater Western Sydney Lewis Taylor (Mid)
15. Sydney Rory Lobb (Ruck)
16. Geelong Blake Acres (Mid)
17. Fremantle Michael Apeness (KF)
18. St Kilda Billy Hartung (Mid)
19. St Kilda Darcy Gardiner (KD)
20. Gold Coast Zak Jones (Def/Mid)
21. Port Adelaide Jarman Impey (Fwd)
22. Brisbane Trent Dumont (Mid)
23. Adelaide Matthew Crouch (Mid)
24 Hawthorn Zach Merrett (Fwd/Mid)
25. Brisbane Daniel McStay (KD)
26. Essendon Patrick Cripps (Mid)
27. Gold Coast Jake Kolodjashnij (KD)
28. Brisbane Luke Dunstan (Mid)
29. Greater Western Sydney Tom Cutler (Def)
30. North Melbourne Jay Kennedy-Harris (Fwd)
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/champion-data-picks-the-top-30-draft-prospects-of-2013/story-fni5f22o-1226759925435
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Brett Anderson's first round phantom draft tonight on SEN.
1. GWS - Boyd ..... locked in.
2. GWS - Kelly ..... locked in.
3. StK - Billings ..... now confident they will take him.
4. WB - Bontempelli ..... this will decide the rest of the draft. Latest word is Bontempelli.
5. GC - Kade Kolodnashnij .... lock it in.
6. Coll - Scharenberg ....... initially thought they go Salem but now think they'll hope Salem will be available at 10.
7. Bris - McCarthy ....... invited to the draft so a sign he'll go early.
8. NM - McDonald (F/S)
9. Melb - Freeman or Salem ..... Aish too much like Toumpas.
10. Coll - Aish ..... the Pies will be laughing. This means one of Salem or Freeman will get to Richmond/Carlton.
11. WC - Sheed ...... linked for a long time.
12. Rich - Lennon ..... strongly linked to the Tigers recently.
Emma Quayle on twitter is also hearing Aish could slip and Collingwood end up with both Aish and Scharenberg.
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Aish will be back in South Australia quicker than you can say rundle mall's balls
Thats ok as well. Any club who gets Aish and then he decides to head back will get properly compensated by either Adelaide or Port Adelaide.
Like Brisbane did?
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Warming to Lennon. Maybe I'm just getting used to the idea. Could be a real point if difference if he works out.
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Happy with SBerg/ Lennon
An elite flanker release s a martin or deledio
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Question for those in the know:
how mature is Lennon physically? Could he have an impact in the seniors next year?
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Question for those in the know:
how mature is Lennon physically? Could he have an impact in the seniors next year?
Yeah absolutely, already 80+ kg will add to that over pre season
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Question for those in the know:
how mature is Lennon physically? Could he have an impact in the seniors next year?
Yeah absolutely, already 80+ kg will add to that over pre season
:thumbsup
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wait for Emmas phantom draft, she normally nails it.
If Aish slips that's great gives us more chance to land burger, salem, lennon or freeman. Im also warming to Lennon
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Question for those in the know:
how mature is Lennon physically? Could he have an impact in the seniors next year?
Yeah absolutely, already 80+ kg will add to that over pre season
Pretty sure he weighed in at 77kg, but he looks bigger.
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Anyone know if its televised???
Times etc...?
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Brett Anderson's first round phantom draft tonight on SEN.
1. GWS - Boyd ..... locked in.
2. GWS - Kelly ..... locked in.
3. StK - Billings ..... now confident they will take him.
4. WB - Bontempelli ..... this will decide the rest of the draft. Latest word is Bontempelli.
5. GC - Kade Kolodnashnij .... lock it in.
6. Coll - Scharenberg ....... initially thought they go Salem but now think they'll hope Salem will be available at 10.
7. Bris - McCarthy ....... invited to the draft so a sign he'll go early.
8. NM - McDonald (F/S)
9. Melb - Freeman or Salem ..... Aish too much like Toumpas.
10. Coll - Aish ..... the Pies will be laughing. This means one of Salem or Freeman will get to Richmond/Carlton.
11. WC - Sheed ...... linked for a long time.
12. Rich - Lennon ..... strongly linked to the Tigers recently.
If we had a choice between Salem or Lennon or Freeman - who would those in the know pick?
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Salem or Lennon . . . tough choice.
Doesn't really matter, we will get a good player with our first choice that is for sure :thumbsup
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Anyone know if its televised???
Times etc...?
Fox Footy 6 or 6:30 Thursday.
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Brett Anderson's first round phantom draft tonight on SEN.
1. GWS - Boyd ..... locked in.
2. GWS - Kelly ..... locked in.
3. StK - Billings ..... now confident they will take him.
4. WB - Bontempelli ..... this will decide the rest of the draft. Latest word is Bontempelli.
5. GC - Kade Kolodnashnij .... lock it in.
6. Coll - Scharenberg ....... initially thought they go Salem but now think they'll hope Salem will be available at 10.
7. Bris - McCarthy ....... invited to the draft so a sign he'll go early.
8. NM - McDonald (F/S)
9. Melb - Freeman or Salem ..... Aish too much like Toumpas.
10. Coll - Aish ..... the Pies will be laughing. This means one of Salem or Freeman will get to Richmond/Carlton.
11. WC - Sheed ...... linked for a long time.
12. Rich - Lennon ..... strongly linked to the Tigers recently.
If we had a choice between Salem or Lennon or Freeman - who would those in the know pick?
Im not one "in the know" but from what ive seen and read from draft combine results etc
Id go Freeman, Salem, Lennon in that order. Think Salem is a great allround mid, nice mover, good skills, love Freemans explosive power and ability to break free of packs, Lennon great foil as 3rd tall, long penetrating kick strong hands and if he can develop into a midfielder will be a great pickup. I'd be happy with any one of them
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Brett Anderson's first round phantom draft tonight on SEN.
1. GWS - Boyd ..... locked in.
2. GWS - Kelly ..... locked in.
3. StK - Billings ..... now confident they will take him.
4. WB - Bontempelli ..... this will decide the rest of the draft. Latest word is Bontempelli.
5. GC - Kade Kolodnashnij .... lock it in.
6. Coll - Scharenberg ....... initially thought they go Salem but now think they'll hope Salem will be available at 10.
7. Bris - McCarthy ....... invited to the draft so a sign he'll go early.
8. NM - McDonald (F/S)
9. Melb - Freeman or Salem ..... Aish too much like Toumpas.
10. Coll - Aish ..... the Pies will be laughing. This means one of Salem or Freeman will get to Richmond/Carlton.
11. WC - Sheed ...... linked for a long time.
12. Rich - Lennon ..... strongly linked to the Tigers recently.
If we had a choice between Salem or Lennon or Freeman - who would those in the know pick?
Salem>Lennon>Someone else
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Callum Twomey ranks his top 30 in order of talent (in his opinion). He has Lennon as 7th best.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-15/phantom-draft-form-guide
Update: Phantom form guide to the draft
Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
November 15, 2013
1. Boyd
2. Billings
3. Kelly
4. Aish
5. McDonald
6. Scharenberg
7. Lennon
8. Kolodnashnij
9. Salem
10. Freeman
11. Taylor
12. Bontempelli
13. McCarthy
14. Acres
15. Sheed
16. Hartung
17. Jones
18. Crouch
19. Merrett
20. Dumont
21. Gardiner
22. Apeness
23. Impey
24. Dunstan
25. Kennedy-Harris
26. Lang
27. Cripps
28. Karpany
29. McStay
30. Marsh
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-15/phantom-draft-form-guide
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Anyone know if its televised???
Times etc...?
Fox Footy 6 or 6:30 Thursday.
Thanks mate, I cant find it in the guide though... :-\
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Anyone know if its televised???
Times etc...?
Fox Footy 6 or 6:30 Thursday.
Thanks mate, I cant find it in the guide though... :-\
Hmmm...might be on 505. Though that says pick 27 onwards. Are they too busy showing replays of GWS v Melb to show it? :lol
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Emma Quayle has an article about Ben Lennon in the Age today ...
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-hopeful-ben-lennon-on-course-20131114-2xjnn.html
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Anyone know if its televised???
Times etc...?
Fox Footy 6 or 6:30 Thursday.
Thanks mate, I cant find it in the guide though... :-\
Hmmm...might be on 505. Though that says pick 27 onwards. Are they too busy showing replays of GWS v Melb to show it? :lol
Thanks mate, I will keep looking.
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Interesting that Callum has them at 7, 9 and 10 - so not much difference overall
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To reiterate why I don't necessarily agree with the 'cotch needs help' / 'we must draft a pure mid' line of thinking -
IMO we should be locked and loaded, now. Anything else should be cream on the top of the cake.
Cot chin. Deledio. Martin. Is a suffice starting middle group. With a second tier of Foley. Vlastuin. Conca. Ellis. Should be competitive.
The like of arnot helbig McIntosh etc. Should be knocking down the door.
If a billings , Berg, Lennon is available I wouldn't pass on the base of not being pure mid.
I hypocritical dong want Salem. Being a dirty efc supporter. But I would think the club would be stoked
I'm summary we should be at the stage where we can grab the most talented player available regardless of position. But for the sake of versatility I hope 186/7cm+
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Brett Anderson from Inside Football now says Salem will slip down to us at 12.
Inside Football Mock Draft – Nov. 15th
Brett Anderson
sen.com.au
2.43PM 15-11-2013
UPDATED: Friday 15th October
The draft is an every changing beast – Fremantle on settled on Josh Simpson at pick 17 last year on the morning of the draft, and again this year there is plenty of movement still being done at the top end of the draft.
Our draft expert BRETT ANDERSON has been working the phones to recruiters, player managers and insiders to try to predict what may occur on November 21.
1. GWS Giants
Tom Boyd | Eastern Ranges | 199cm | 102kg.
Described as a once in a generation player, Boyd will quickly make the Giants forget about missing out on Lance Franklin to their crosstown rivals. He is a great compliment to Jeremy Cameron and boasts the versatility to player further afield – in the ruck, and also down back, at a pinch.
2. GWS Giants
Josh Kelly | Sandringham Dragons | 183cm | 75kg.
Kelly could well have gone in last year’s mini-draft, such is the regard he is held in amongst club recruiters and he will add some class on the outside for the Giants. His running capabilities will rival that of Tom Scully.
3. St Kilda
Jack Billings | Oakleigh Chargers | 184cm | 78kg.
Of all the midfielders in this draft, Billings is clearly the one that can be labeled as a potential match winner. He did have his injury problems this year, which hampered a mooted move into the midfield, but he will shift from half forward into the onball rotation as his tank improves.
In the mix: Kade Kolodjashnij
4. Western Bulldogs
Marcus Bontempelli | Northern Knights | 191cm | 83kg.
Having been heavily linked with Collingwood in the past few weeks, Bontempelli’s draft stocks have soared to such an extent he is now firming to be headed to the kennel at No.4. The Dogs have met with him a few times recently and will do their final piece of homework early next week before eventually deciding on the Northern Knight or Croweater James Aish.
In the mix: James Aish
5. Gold Coast Suns
Kade Kolodjashnij | Launceston | 190cm | 81kg.
Quiet and unassuming, the man known as ‘KK’ has shot up draft boards over recent months and could even be taken by the Saints at No.3. Guy McKenna spoke about the need for his club to add a running half back during trade week and Kolodjashnij fits the bill nicely with his composure and sure ball use. The one query is that some clubs feel that he needs his twin brother alongside him to perform at his best.
6. Collingwood
Matthew Scharenberg | Glenelg | 190cm | 89kg.
The Bulldogs decision to jump on Bontempelli has repercussions for the Pies plans after they traded up to this pick to ensure they got their men. But now with Aish, Scharenberg and Salem all still available, they are posed with somewhat of a dilemma. During trade week there was a strong whisper that Sydney were trying to trade ahead of Collingwood (pick No.10) to get their hands on the Salem and thus the Pies made the move up, but the possibility of pairing the two star South Australians may prove to great to pass up.
In the mix: James Aish, Christian Salem
7. Brisbane Lions
Cameron McCarthy | South Fremantle | 195cm | 89kg.
The second major curve ball of the draft with Brisbane opting for the high-flying excitement machine to bolster their key forward stocks despite the addition of Jackson Paine and a host of other developing talls on their list. It may be a slight reach, but with so many picks in the 20s, they can bolster their midfield there with the strong possibility than at least two highly ranked ball winners will be available.
In the mix: Matt Scharenberg, James Aish
8. North Melbourne (F/S)
Luke McDonald | Werribee | 188cm | 85kg.
The son of former Roo and football boss Donald has honed his game in the VFL this year and should be ready to step in at half-back from Round 1, 2014. Pick No. 8 is the right value for a player of his talents, despite North supporters complaining about West Coast bidding then trading their pick (6). His combination off half-back with Shaun Atley will be one to watch in years to come.
9. Melbourne
Nathan Freeman | Sandringham Dragons | 182cm | 85kg.
The Dees will have to agonize over a pair of Sandringham Dragons with Salem and Freeman still on the board. Freeman has been the hot tip for a long time, but that was under the assumption that Salem would be off the board so it’s a flip of the coin. Ultimately, Freeman’s power and speed is a better compliment for the likes of Viney, Trengove, Jones, Tyson and Toumpas.
In the mix: Christian Salem
10. Collingwood
James Aish | Norwood | 184cm | 75kg.
Touted as a top-three lock pre-season, Aish has slowly dropped down the draft order over recent months with some clubs concerned about his low contested ball numbers. Having said that, he is a sublime talent with ball in hand and almost always makes the right decision. Having landed another South Australian slider in Brodie Grundy last year at pick 18, the Pies could be set to strike it rich again. The Pies also love Salem, whose long been a target, and could easily opt for the safe bet of taking the local lad.
In the mix: Christian Salem.
11. West Coast
Dom Sheed | Subiaco | 184cm | 83kg.
West Coast traded back from pick No.6 safe in the knowledge that their main target would still be available. This is as close to a lock as there can be unless they fall in love late with fellow Sandgroper Blake Acres. Sheed will be ready to play from Round 1 and will help regenerate the Eagles midfield.
In the mix: Blake Acres
12. Richmond
Christian Salem | Sandringham Dragons | 183cm | 81kg.
Richmond will have a tough decision should it pan out this way with Lennon long being a target, but ultimately, the decision comes down to picking the best available player, and that’s Salem. Unless the Pies or Dees lock him in earlier, this is as far as the talented Dragon ball winner will fall.
In the mix: Ben Lennon, Zak Jones
13. Carlton
Patrick Cripps | East Fremantle | 192cm | 90kg
Carlton’s interest in the big-bodied onballer has intensified over the past few weeks and they even reportedly flew to Geraldton to meet up with him recently. Having only previously been thought of as a second round pick, he’s a bit of a bolter in what looms as a very even draft and has been likened by East Fremantle watchers to Jobe Watson.
In the mix: Ben Lennon, Luke Dunstan
14. GWS Giants
Ben Lennon | Northern Knights | 188cm | 77kg.
Having looked set for Tigerland, the effect of Bontempelli rising has a flow on effect and sees Lennon land at GWS. He is an elite kick, very good overhead and having played mostly forward, adds a point of difference to the Giants front half alongside Patton, Cameron and Boyd but will also hopefully develop into a midfielder in time.
In the mix: Lewis Taylor, Tom Cutler
15. Sydney Swans
Michael Apeness | Eastern Ranges | 199cm | 101kg.
Outside of Mike Pyke, the Swans are short on for ruck depth following the departure of Shane Mumford. They generally look for a mature body to help fill a role, but with the interchange cap being introduced and the sub rule staying in place, the importance of big men who can ruck and play forward has never held greater weight. Apeness is more of a forward at this stage, but his ruckwork is the best in the class.
In the mix:Zach Merrett
16. Geelong
Blake Acres | West Perth | 189cm | 84kg.
The Cats have a few clear needs, but there isn’t a key defender available that is worthy of a pick this high. Stephen Wells loves big-bodied midfielders and with the loss of Joel Corey, he gets another Western Australian to eventually take his place. He is strong overhead and can play a range of positions, which is a bonus in the modern game.
In the mix: Zak Jones
17. Fremantle
Trent Dumont | Norwood | 186cm | 83kg.
The Dockers are said to want a key position player at some stage and could look at ex-Hawk Mitch Thorp at No.37, but they add to their inside midfield stocks with Dumont after the loss of Viv Michie and Jayden Pitt. Ross Lyon loves to draft players who can run and cover the ground, and Dumont is more than capable in this regard, plus he is ready to play right away which makes him a perfect for a club in premiership mode.
In the mix: Cameron Giles
18. St Kilda
Lewis Taylor | Geelong Falcons | 173cm | 73kg.
If Taylor were 10cm taller, he would have been off the board in the top handful of picks, but despite the height concerns he is still very good value here and can add some zip and evasiveness to the Saints midfield rotation. He can play in the middle or even across half forward and has more than enough tricks to make up for his lacks of height.
In the mix: Billy Hartung, Darcy Gardiner
19. St Kilda
Zak Jones | Dandenong Stingrays | 181cm | 74kg.
The brother of Demon Nathan could well be off the board by now with Richmond, Geelong and Fremantle also admirers, but being from Mount Eliza, a move just up the highway to Seaford is a good fit. He can play across half back, or float through midfield and like his brother, is as competitive as they come.
In the mix: Billy Hartung, Darcy Gardiner
20. Gold Coast Suns
Jake Kolodjashnij | Launceston | 192cm | 90kg.
Gold Coast is yet to settle their defensive back six and by adding another tall, it will give them a few more options down the track. If the Suns want to pair up the twins, they will need to pick Jake here instead of waiting until pick No.27 with both Port Adelaide and Adelaide looming behind and both having great interest in the versatile defender who interviewed extremely well.
In the mix: Malcolm Karpany, Zak Jones
http://www.sen.com.au/display-article-2013/Inside-Football-Mock-Draft--Nov-15th/62506
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RICHMOND appear in the box seat to land the player they’ve long been obsessed with all year, Christian Salem. Salem ticks every box for the Tigers; he is quick, powerful, agile, has a beautiful kick and offers some hardness to go along with his silk. After being linked to Collingwood of recent, it now looks as though Salem will slip into the hands of Richmond should things go their way.
Ben Lennon for quite some time, as he earned high praise for the week he spent at Punt Road during his placement with the AFL-AIS Academy, and could present as another option the Tigers are looking at. However one recruiter said today that he still believed Lennon would be snapped up by pick 12.
http://www.scpaige.com.au/draft-update-the-latest-whispers/
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Re: Who should we choose with our first draft pick?
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RICHMOND appear in the box seat to land the player they’ve long been obsessed with all year, Christian Salem
Two three times longer than that
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I like the notion of Berg slipping to 12
More so if he's the best kids cho ko seen since Carey.
He'd be handy floating around the backline releasing a vlastuin, deledii, Ellis type higher up
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AFL website's Callum Twomey and Mark Macgugan discuss the latest movements in the draft in their latest Draft Countdown podcast:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-16/listen-to-the-new-draft-podcast
* Richmond will snap up Ben Lennon pretty quickly if he's available at 12. They loved him when he spent a week at Punt Rd earlier in the year as part of his AIS academy scholarship. Whether Christian Salem is also around then makes it interesting though. Tight call between the two if they are both available. Different players - Salem is a midfielder whereas Lennon is a half-forward who'll hopefully will become a midfielder. Zak Jones, Blake Acres and Matt Crouch also linked to the Tigers there as well.
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AFL website's Callum Twomey and Mark Macgugan discuss the latest movements in the draft in their latest Draft Countdown podcast:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-16/listen-to-the-new-draft-podcast
* Richmond will snap up Ben Lennon pretty quickly if he's available at 12. They loved him when he spent a week at Punt Rd earlier in the year as part of his AIS academy scholarship. Whether Christian Salem is also around then makes it interesting though. Tight call between the two if they are both available. Different players - Salem is a midfielder whereas Lennon is a half-forward who'll hopefully will become a midfielder. Zak Jones, Blake Acres and Matt Crouch also linked to the Tigers there as well.
Lol we won't take Crouch.
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@mightytiges - "Cheers Emma. If the choice for the Tiges at pick 12 came down to between Salem or Lennon, who do you think they'll go for?"
Emma Quayle @emmasq - "that's hard. i reckon salem"
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I don't think they'd both be available, very surprised, then again ::)
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Callum Twomey in his live chat on the AFL website:
Looks like Bontempelli, McCarthy or perhaps a slider are the main ones for Brisbane.
Bontempelli is right in the mix for the Dogs. Aish another consideration if Billings, as expected, goes to Saints.
Pies are trying to get their highest ranked players through to six and 10. Scharenberg, Aish, Salem, McCarthy main contenders for me.
Dees are looking at Freeman and Salem.
Don't think Acres will get to the Eagles at pick 11, and is unlikely at 12 for the Tigers.
Comment From Mitch
Lennon to the tiges?
Lennon is a good chance at the Tiges, yep. A very good chance.
Comment From Ridley
The Tiges will 100% take one of Freeman, Salem or Lennon. If all 3 are there, which one do you think they favour ? Cheers.
The Tigers have drafted a certain type over the last few years and can't see them straying, particularly at pick 12.
Comment From Aaron
gartlett to tigers? rumours suggesting they are keen.
Crouch is a chance at Richmond's 12, but unlikely.
Next year's draft at this stage looks a lot stronger, particularly in the key positions area. Off the top of my head I'd say 7 or 8 of next year's top 10 or so players will be 190cm+.
Mock draft will be out later tonight. Stay tuned to AFL.com.au past 6pm AEDT and it will flash up. It will be the top 30 plus some club-by-club whispers for the later selections.
Top 5:
1. GWS - Boyd ... locked in
2. GWS - Kelly ... locked in
3. GWS - Billings ... locked in
4. WB - ?
5. GC - Kolonashnij ... locked in
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-19/live-chat-draft-preview
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Inside Football's Brett Anderson on twitter today:
Briabane's pick 7 - A bit of different mail floating around in past 24 hrs suggesting it will be Aish/Scharenberg instead of McCarthy.
Frankly, I think I have the top 5 sorted, but 6, 7, 9 and 10 could go any way.
https://twitter.com/BrettAndersonIF
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Did Cal answer the Garlett to Tiges question ?
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Don't think acres will get to eagles at pick 11 and unlikely at 12 for the tigers.
Is acres expected to go top 10 now?
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TM, Callum Twomey reckons Acres will go mid-teens.
Did Cal answer the Garlett to Tiges question ?
Nup.
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I have a sneeking suspicion that we might take Acres if Scharenberg, Salem, Freeman and Lennon are all taken by pick 12. Just a hunch.
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TM, Callum Twomey reckons Acres will go mid-teens.
Did Cal answer the Garlett to Tiges question ?
Nup.
Cal isn't as good as Paige imo
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Brett Anderson on SEN just now with his picks 11 - 20:
11. WC - Sheed
12. Rich - Salem - all round player who can kick beautifully on his left foot. Lennon would be the alternative choice.
13. Carl - Cripps
14. GWS - Taylor
15. Syd - Merrett
16. Geel - Acres
17. Freo - McCarthy
18. StK -
19. StK -
20. GC - Jones
He has Freeman in the top 10.
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I really want Salem
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I really want Salem
FJ will pick Lennon then...
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Highly doubt they'll pass on salem
Yet I'd rather lennon
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Emma Quayle on MMM today has also narrowed our selection down to either Salem or Lennon.
http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne/sport/afl/news/2013/11/2013-draft-order-finalised-after-delisted-free-agency/
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If we snag either one (Lennon or Salem) then we've done well.
And really, what is so hard about Jackson's job recruiting?? Really!! ::)
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If we snag Acres we'll have done even better.
If he falls to Fremantle as predicted they'll effectively have two Fyfes.
Jones would be a reach, Taylor would be disasterous. Shank Edwards mk.II. Crouch would be even worse. Would be disappointed if we took Freeman. Come around to Salem & Lennon. The former's dual-sideness is impressive and something we need more of. The latter is probably the most similar to Acres in terms of skill set, just think everyone has them ranked the wrong way around.
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Is Acres enough of an upgrade on Lennon and Salem to risk him being a skirt and wanting to go home in 2 years though?
Liking Lennon and Salem. I feel more confident with Salem as he seems more likely to reach his potential. If both Lennon and Salem were guaranteed to reach theirs I reckon I would be more inclined to go Lennon for no other reason than we seem pretty cookie-cutter. We have talls and smalls. Some inside, others outside. Someone like Lennon could be a real point of difference in our side.
Not that it really concerns us, but Bontempellfdugindf;bdsfgh said this morning on MMM that he is a Tigers man.
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Couldn't have said it better, Lennon is a top 5 IMHO and Salem would be the same - saying a prayer we land one or the other
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The go home factor is always a valid concern with WA kids but yes, Acres is worth the risk IMO. Personally think he'll turn out to be one of the best 2-3 players of this draft, if not the best.
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Noticed a lot of people have gone cold/off Freeman? Why is that?
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Some of the latest rumours are that BOTH Salem and Lennon will be gone by 12. Freeman firming. I would go Acres or Dunstan now...
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From Brett Anderson's twitter tonight:
@Jonesracing82 - "if u had to make a call now, who will Richmond get at pick #12"
@BrettAndersonIF - "Argh..so hard. Lennon. (Or Salem)!"
In his phantom draft tonight, Anderson has Lennon going to us at 12.
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If Salem and Lennon are gone I would pick Luke Dunstan or Acres, certainly before Freeman or Jones. So for me its 1)Lennon 2) Salem 3) Dunstan 4)Acres the rest are average, high risk or potential busts.
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one day out scharenberg is my pick. hes the best player in the draft imo. i have little doubt he will not get to us so of those i think theres some chance and in order are.
12/ dom sheed, if taken blake acres, if taken luke dunstan.
49/ james sicily, matt fuller,mitch harvey.
56/ dayle garlett, cameron conlan,cameron darcy. mathew sully,
imo i think at least one of those mentioned at each pick is a realistic chance of being there when our pick comes.
finally at 12 im happy to state im not really keen at useing pick 12 on either of salem or lennon.
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Emma Quayle, Callum Twomey and Brett Anderson now all agree on their top 13. All have Lennon going to us at 12.
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Well it's obviously down to 4 options
1 Salem Melb?
2 Lennon Collingwood?
3 Freeman Melb?
4 Jones
Personally I would prefer Freeman as first choice. We need more pace in the middle and he will give us that imediately.
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If Lennon and Salem and Freeman are gone it means another player has dropped - bring it on. I wouldn't be upset with McCartney (spelling ?)
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I'm thinking we'll get a dud this time. We've aced too many drafts lately and plus I think it'll be romantic for old times sake.
It's Miller time
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I'm thinking we'll get a dud this time. We've aced too many drafts lately and plus I think it'll be romantic for old times sake.
It's Miller time
dunno if we have aced anything lately. done well or okay yes. too many good kids available at 12 to get this wrong. im sure we will end up with a good player no matter what. well as long as its sheed or acres that is. :whistle
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Not that Eddie has much to do with his football department, when talking to Salem on MMM this morning he seemed pretty sure Salem was the target. Hopefully Melbourne go for Freeman now.
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Not that Eddie has much to do with his football department, when talking to Salem on MMM this morning he seemed pretty sure Salem was the target. Hopefully Melbourne go for Freeman now.
I believe the pies will pick Salem at 6 and they may even take Lennon at 10. The go home factor is a major criteria for them I think. Last year they took 3 from SA cant see them taking another 2 this year.
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All up to Melbourne. If they take Salem then the Pies will take Lennon; if they take Freeman then Lennon will slip to us.
Let's hope Emma Quayle is right and the Herald-Sun is wrong :-\.
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Latest mail is Pies go Freeman which means Salem is a Demon. Need WC to take Sheed over Lennon or we get Jones. Really want Lennon.
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Yes:
Acres
Salem
Lennon
Scharenberg
No:
Taylor
Freeman
Jones
Sheed
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If wce passed on sheed, why on earth would we take jones over sheed?
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Don't get all the fuss over Sheed.
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Would love Lennon but wont get passed Pies I don't think.
Don't want Jones, Freeman not enough polish.
I would take Lewis Taylor if Lennon or Salem are gone.
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Don't get all the fuss over Sheed.
Its subjective isn't it..
I don't get how ppl think freeman is a dud and just another matt white clone
all in the eye of the beholder
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We have one available of
Lennon
Sheed
Freeman
Salem
Berg
Billing
Kelly
Boyd
Aish
Kolo
Bont
We should have a strong-decent chance o getting a starting 18 player.
Arces... McCarthy...Taylor...Cripps...
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Back page of the sun: 'Draft hopefulls Chrisian Salem and Matthew Sharenburg ride The Claw' at Dreamworld.
So that's how he gets the scoop on the draft hopefuls. By any means necessary, it seems.
:lol
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Latest mail is Pies go Freeman which means Salem is a Demon. Need WC to take Sheed over Lennon or we get Jones. Really want Lennon.
IMAGINE Lennon!
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I hope by tomorrow we don't think that all our troubles seemed so far away yesterday....
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Callum Twomey in his live chat on the AFL website today:
"Lennon looks most likely to get to Richmond at pick 12 and they would take him as they are big fans. Acres I don't think will be picked by them - Zak Jones more of a chance."
"Zak Jones is an option for Richmond if Lennon and Salem are gone. Otherwise, he's probably pick 15-20."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-21/live-chat-draft-preview-two
Both Twomey and Quayle still think the Dees pick 9 is split 50/50 between Salem and Freeman (ie. they don't know).
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@SamLandsberger: Could be a massive boilover at pick 11. Some clubs thinking the Eagles will pass on Dom Sheed and grab Ben Lennon instead
Could we end up with Dom Sheed? Give him No.10 if we do.. ;D
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@SamLandsberger: Could be a massive boilover at pick 11. Some clubs thinking the Eagles will pass on Dom Sheed and grab Ben Lennon instead
Could we end up with Dom Sheed? Give him No.10 if we do.. ;D
I'll be happy if we ended up with Sheed.
If Landsberger thinks the Eagles are considering Lennon then presumably he thinks Lennon gets past Collingwood at 10.
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18:39 Callum Twomey:
I don't see Acres going to Richmond. Salem very unlikely to get there. Zak Jones is an option if Lennon and Salem are gone.
http://www.afl.com.au/2013-draft/draft-tracker
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Comment From Matthew
Late mail is that Jones to be selected by the Tigers. Why has he risen so much of late and what's his ceiling? I.e. All Australian, b&F or foot soldier!
Comment From Alec
Ben Lennnon a massive steal at pick 12 for the Tigers who will continue there recent good run with first rounders also hopefully Ben Brown gets picked up !
Callum Twomey:
Agree, Alec, rate him highly.
http://www.afl.com.au/2013-draft/draft-tracker