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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on October 07, 2013, 03:24:23 AM
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Blues top po-kies ladder as punters lose $19m
Craig Butt and Richard Willingham
The Age
October 7, 2013
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Carlton has finished top of the po-kies losses ladder with punters dropping $19 million at the club's four venues, as total losses at Victorian AFL club-owned venues reached more than $85 million last year.
But losses at football club-owned venues dropped 12.2 per cent from nearly $97 million in 2011-12, a larger decrease than the rest of the state which saw po-kies losses drop by 7.1 per cent to nearly $2.5 billion over that period.
Essendon, Collingwood and Hawthorn rounded out the top four of largest po-kies losses.
Analysis by The Age of punter losses at po-kies venues in the state that were active in the past financial year found that losses at the venues owned by nine Victorian clubs - North Melbourne is the only club without po-ker machines - totalled $85,102,284.
Victorian clubs own 18 gaming venues, with 1317 machines. There are 27,760 po-ker machines in Victoria, excluding the Ca-sino, at 523 venues. Carlton owns 300 machines in four venues, where punters lost $19.1 million last financial year. At Collingwood, punters lost $13.2 million, at Essendon it was $11.9 million and at Hawthorn $11.3 million.
Collingwood had the biggest drop in po-kies losses at its venues over the past year, with a 25.4 per cent decrease. The International Hotel in Lilydale, which was owned by the club and raked in $3.3 million from 80 machines in 2011-12, closed in July 2012.
Since July 2012 ATMs have been banned in po-kies venues by the state government.
Losses at football club venues accounted for 3 per cent of nearly $2.5 billion worth of po-kies losses across the state in 2012-13.
Anti-po-kies campaigner Tim Costello said AFL clubs needed to end their relationship with po-ker machines.
''I welcome the publishing of the real AFL ladder. AFL clubs boast of their community support and what they put back; this tells you what they are taking out in terms of the cost to families, businesses and crime in the community,'' Mr Costello said.
''I think the AFL clubs should bite the bullet. Forty per cent of that revenue comes from addicted people.''
Public health and gambling expert Associate Professor Samantha Thomas said sporting bodies needed to step up to help battle po-kies-related harm.
''Sports clubs have an incredibly influential role in communities and there are really good examples of clubs having positive impacts on the health of the community,'' Dr Thomas said.
''But when sports organisations align themselves with potentially harmful products, whether it be junk food or alcohol or gambling, then they need to engage to be part of the solution in tackling these important public health issues.''
Greens gambling and sports spokesman Richard Di Natale said despite the good work of the AFL in indigenous and multiculturalism and physical health, it had dropped the ball on po-kies.
Nearly half of the losses on po-ker machines at football club-owned venues were in three municipalities - Monash, Melton and Hobsons Bay - which between them house six venues.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/blues-top-po-kies-ladder-as-punters-lose-19m-20131006-2v2bu.html
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Richmond should buy legal brothels
No less unethical
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Agreed and look at Carltank go hogwild on it, parasiting like there was no tomorrow.
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Lol norf
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Nice blues taking away our pokies yet people want to deal with them
Screw them I say
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Lol norf
Why :huh
Because they have made the choice to not have pokie machines?
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Lol norf
Why :huh
Because they have made the choice to not have pokie machines?
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Because they don't make money . Forgive me for being ignorant but how did Carltank steal our venue?
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Lol norf
Why :huh
Because they have made the choice to not have pokie machines?
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I resepct their stance on this
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Lol norf
Why :huh
Because they have made the choice to not have pokie machines?
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Because they don't make money . Forgive me for being ignorant but how did Carltank steal our venue?
1/ N0rt - They make no money from pokies because they have chosen not to have a pokies venue.
2/ Carlton - The Royal Oak which was previously controlled by the RFC under a license agreement with Pokies king Bruce Matthies (sp?) in now controlled by Carlotn. Matthies is long time Carlton person (former board member IIRC) and when our license expired he took bak all his venues and gave them to Carlton. This happened nearly 2 years ago
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Lol norf
Why :huh
Because they have made the choice to not have pokie machines?
::)
Because they don't make money . Forgive me for being ignorant but how did Carltank steal our venue?
1/ N0rt - They make no money from pokies because they have chosen not to have a pokies venue.
2/ Carlton - The Royal Oak which was previously controlled by the RFC under a license agreement with Pokies king Bruce Matthies (sp?) in now controlled by Carlotn. Matthies is long time Carlton person (former board member IIRC) and when our license expired he took bak all his venues and gave them to Carlton. This happened nearly 2 years ago
1.Because they can't afford a single machine
2. Absolute scum. Should be assassinated
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Errr no....
They got rid of thier machines and have made the choice not have machines
Has absolutely nothing to do with what they can and cannot afford
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Errr no....
They got rid of thier machines and have made the choice not have machines
Has absolutely nothing to do with what they can and cannot afford
Can't take a Norf joke :p
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Lol norf
Why :huh
Because they have made the choice to not have pokie machines?
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I resepct their stance on this
I near what you are saying and can see the logic but why should pokies be any less legitimate form of revenue raising than alcohol, betting agencies, fast food, soft drink etc etc.
What about their apparel sponsors who make their jumpers, shorts, boots made in sweat shops in 3rd world countries?
Should they also demand all of their clothing is made in developed countries where children cannot get exploited?
I mean we could seriously pick anything and run with it - they choose pokies to their own detriment.
If I was a Roos member or player, it would annoy me - a club desperately run on the smell of an oily rag having this stance.
If I was the AFL, I would refuse stumping up cash payments when they come bleating for hand outs until they removed this ridiculous stance - other clubs are effectively end up paying for it - and ironically some small part of that money was probably raised as pokie revenue by other clubs!
Maybe a club like Collingwood or Hawthorn could actually justify it, having future proofed revenue generation in good times and bad with other more creative and sustainable revenue streams.
But North? Stuffin spare me the good corporate citizen crap
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The stance is the result of James Brayshaws ego. Period. End of rant.
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one step in the right direction by North imo
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I support North's stand. Pokies are a blight on the pub scene, they just killed live music. They are also a terrible form of taxation for the government, which is now addicted to it.
If they all got banned IMHO it would be a great improvement, but hey this is a footy forum not politics.
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Damn straight Tidyman !!!! Another nail in our cultural coffin.
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The blues do everything the easiest and scumiest way
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A good Lamington drive or sausage sizzle is far better than leeching money out of poor unfortunates who suffer from gambling addictions. As much as I can't stand Norf, I commend them on their decision to go Pokie free.
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A good Lamington drive or sausage sizzle is far better than leeching money out of poor unfortunates who suffer from gambling addictions. As much as I can't stand Norf, I commend them on their decision to go Pokie free.
Lamingtons filled with crack are even better
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Have only ever played the pokies once. I took a really conservative approach and an hour and a half later I won enough money for an ipod shuffle :cheers
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Have only ever played the pokies once. I took a really conservative approach and an hour and a half later I won enough money for an ipod shuffle :cheers
While some poor bloke is walking home because he can't even afford a bus fare. I hope you're happy dwaino!!! ;D
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Have only ever played the pokies once. I took a really conservative approach and an hour and a half later I won enough money for an ipod shuffle :cheers
While some poor bloke is walking home because he can't even afford a bus fare. I hope you're happy dwaino!!! ;D
His own fault who cares
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A good Lamington drive or sausage sizzle is far better than leeching money out of poor unfortunates who suffer from gambling addictions. As much as I can't stand Norf, I commend them on their decision to go Pokie free.
Lamingtons filled with crack are even better
woke up once with my crack filled with lamingtons. wasnt anything to get excited about.
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A good Lamington drive or sausage sizzle is far better than leeching money out of poor unfortunates who suffer from gambling addictions. As much as I can't stand Norf, I commend them on their decision to go Pokie free.
Lamingtons filled with crack are even better
woke up once with my crack filled with lamingtons. wasnt anything to get excited about.
Are you Corey Haim?
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not any more
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A good Lamington drive or sausage sizzle is far better than leeching money out of poor unfortunates who suffer from gambling addictions. As much as I can't stand Norf, I commend them on their decision to go Pokie free.
Lamingtons filled with crack are even better
woke up once with my crack filled with lamingtons. wasnt anything to get excited about.
Geez, hope it wasn't after you left my place! :-[
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:lol
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You took my stuffing STASH????
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Have only ever played the pokies once. I took a really conservative approach and an hour and a half later I won enough money for an ipod shuffle :cheers
While some poor bloke is walking home because he can't even afford a bus fare. I hope you're happy dwaino!!! ;D
His own fault who cares
What are you a moody teenager?
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A good Lamington drive or sausage sizzle is far better than leeching money out of poor unfortunates who suffer from gambling addictions. As much as I can't stand Norf, I commend them on their decision to go Pokie free.
Lamingtons filled with crack are even better
woke up once with my crack filled with lamingtons. wasnt anything to get excited about.
Isn't that how they catch Croc's up your way al??
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I support North's stand. Pokies are a blight on the pub scene, they just killed live music. They are also a terrible form of taxation for the government, which is now addicted to it.
If they all got banned IMHO it would be a great improvement, but hey this is a footy forum not politics.
Bring back live music!
Pokies are killing everyone.
Carlton joke of a club.
Pies and Essendon just as bad and Hawks.
LOL Even the Dees have 172 machines.
Richmond are playing half fair and the others are cheating!
North can be applauded. :clapping
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The Glenferrie was a great pub back in the day, as soon as they put the pokies in it went downhill
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The Glenferrie was a great pub back in the day, as soon as they put the pokies in it went downhill
This is true. In fact agree with all of you. Pokies are a disgrace, whichever way you look at it.
many a good time down there at the Glenferrie back in the day :thumbsup
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Yeah but stuff the zombies that suck off the pokie kings, pee week character, and I want Richmond to get stuffing rich rich rich off these bladder necked tappers so we can compete with the scum clubs and crush them
Think of it as an extension of the FTF for those dumb idiots that think they can't afford to donate