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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on October 12, 2013, 03:24:06 AM
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GWS is adamant young gun midfielder Dylan Shiel will not be leaving the club, despite strong interest from Richmond and Melbourne.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/department-of-trades-delisted-collingwood-ruckman-darren-jolly-tests-with-st-kilda/story-fnfll94y-1226738566812
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Get it done Tiges :clapping
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id be keeping our powder dry for when dom Tyson and jon O'rouke spill outa contract. Two Y&B disciples that will want to find their way home :clapping I don't think I need to tell Blair that, its the next chaper in the Tigers XII premiership manifesto :shh
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id be keeping our powder dry for when dom Tyson and jon O'rouke spill outa contract. Two Y&B disciples that will want to find their way home :clapping I don't think I need to tell Blair that, its the next chaper in the Tigers XII premiership manifesto :shh
:clapping
Should be looking closely at gold coast lis.
Sydney, too
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id be keeping our powder dry for when dom Tyson and jon O'rouke spill outa contract. Two Y&B disciples that will want to find their way home :clapping I don't think I need to tell Blair that, its the next chaper in the Tigers XII premiership manifesto :shh
Shiel>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tyson>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>O'Rourke. Worth having a crack IMO.
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certainly worth having a crack,
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Shiels played v well last year, but slowed down a bit this year. Methinks a lack of choco hurt his development. Maybe he'd want to get the band back together?? Would love this kid!
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Doesn't Shiel go out with Choco's daughter?
The guy would have been no.1 pick if he entered the following years draft as an 18yo.
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FJ will pick the equal of shiel with No 11. I wouldn't put anything past him., .pity the fool that underestimates him :shh
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FJ will pick the equal of shiel with No 11. I wouldn't put anything past him., .pity the fool that underestimates him :shh
Pity Dan Richardson doesn't have the same eloquence in his field. Nahas & 3rd rounder - someone weave the magic!
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inb4 Collingwood in the box seat.
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Can we realistically make this work? pick 12 on its own wont cut it, what package of fringe players will make ity worthwhile ;D
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This is simple ...To get good you need to give good..
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Our pick and batchelor should be enough. gws haven't shown a lot of balls when it comes to trades turning their noses to anything put up and guess what , they're still poo :shh
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id be keeping our powder dry for when dom Tyson and jon O'rouke spill outa contract. Two Y&B disciples that will want to find their way home :clapping I don't think I need to tell Blair that, its the next chaper in the Tigers XII premiership manifesto :shh
Interesting point BJ,If by that you mean they grew up barracking for the Toigs.
Would be nice to have a group of Guns who grew up as supporters and played to put some honor back into Punt road.
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This is simple ...To get good you need to give good..
Melbourne offering pick 2 and gws dont seem keen .... :lol does that count :shh
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I can't understand how we can be keen to get Shiel but can;t afford Adams.
Call me dumb but just get Adams who is actually obtainable??????
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I can't understand how we can be keen to get Shiel but can;t afford Adams.
Call me dumb but just get Adams who is actually obtainable??????
We're interested because Shiels has said he wants to come back to Victoria. He's very talented, as good as Adams from what I've seen.
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I can't understand how we can be keen to get Shiel but can;t afford Adams.
Call me dumb but just get Adams who is actually obtainable??????
As silly as it sounds , we ve ran out of coin, collingwood have release a few players providing some space in the tpp....no hope
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I can't understand how we can be keen to get Shiel but can;t afford Adams.
Call me dumb but just get Adams who is actually obtainable??????
As silly as it sounds , we ve ran out of coin, collingwood have release a few players providing some space in the tpp....no hope
they signed hampson but ran out of salary cap room. lol.
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funny looking cat that Shiels
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I can't understand how we can be keen to get Shiel but can;t afford Adams.
Call me dumb but just get Adams who is actually obtainable??????
As silly as it sounds , we ve ran out of coin, collingwood have release a few players providing some space in the tpp....no hope
they signed hampson but ran out of salary cap room. lol.
Hampson is cheap. Not remotely relevant. You do realise we need a full list of players.
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GWS need backman
I'd be shopping around Dylan Grimes and Pick 12.
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Why Grimes?
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Why Grimes?
Because he's a player that would get the deal done.
Astbury and Batch are tradable bit I doubt the would interest GWS.
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so you don't rate grimes as highly nor as important to RFC as shiel?
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I can't understand how we can be keen to get Shiel but can;t afford Adams.
Call me dumb but just get Adams who is actually obtainable??????
We're interested because Shiels has said he wants to come back to Victoria. He's very talented, as good as Adams from what I've seen.
IMO Shiel is better than Adams. Living in Sydney, I go to all the GWS games at Skoda. Shiel is much quicker than Adams and more athletic.
Adams is a hard nut and was given the tagging role on Cotch when we played them this year and tried to rough him up a bit, also so he is not afraid of a little confrontation. Adams Is prone to giving away free kicks with undisciplined play and he's a bit of a hothead. Shiel is Mr Clean. Very disciplined, Super fit, is tough but not a true in and under grunt like Adams but his disposal is very good and is one of those guys that looks like he has all the time in the world.
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I can't understand how we can be keen to get Shiel but can;t afford Adams.
Call me dumb but just get Adams who is actually obtainable??????
As silly as it sounds , we ve ran out of coin, collingwood have release a few players providing some space in the tpp....no hope
they signed hampson but ran out of salary cap room. lol.
Hampson is cheap. Not remotely relevant. You do realise we need a full list of players.
of course its relevant how can we who finished 7th only add Hampson having lost McGuane, White and afew others not have salary cap room. Looks like weve stuffed up our salary cap somewhere along the lines.
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What % of our stuffed salary cap have we spent?
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Theres way too much pee-ing in the wind re our salary cap going on ....has the club said anything regarding our salary cap?
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What % of our stuffed salary cap have we spent?
looks like enough of it so we cant bring in a decent player of note.
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I can't understand how we can be keen to get Shiel but can;t afford Adams.
Call me dumb but just get Adams who is actually obtainable??????
He isn't attainable if he doesn't want to come to our club and throw in the fact he asking for more than he is worth gong by media reports ($400k a season)
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so you don't rate grimes as highly nor as important to RFC as shiel?
I rate Grimes highly, but he's fairly injury prone.
Grimes has currency, he need to trade quality to get quality. We can throw trades up like Pick 12 and Derrickx or Pick 12 and Astbury but at the end of the day its a waste of time. Last time we traded quality I think it was to get Gasper at the club by trading Maxfield.
I don't want Grimes to go but Shiels is star quality and if it means parting ways with Grimes for Shiels than I'd be happy to accept that.
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OK ta..I now understand your reasoning
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It feels like we've missed the boat with the cap. How can Hawks have so many blue chip players, how can Carlton afford Thomas? Is it all to do with back ending contracts?
Can anyone explain how a club could go over the salary cap when you can just continually back end contracts.
Ie. If Sydney get stuffed with Buddy's contract (which they have back ended cause they can't afford to fit in his 1.5mil a year in next years cap) later in his career and he retires and they are forced to pay out his contract under 1 years cap, can't they just back end everyone else's contract? Just feel with backending contracts you can affectively have 22 players all on huge money for 1-2 years and back end half of them, then the next set of players come in, just back end there contracts and so forth. Seems a never ending cycle.
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It feels like we've missed the boat with the cap. How can Hawks have so many blue chip players, how can Carlton afford Thomas? Is it all to do with back ending contracts?
Can anyone explain how a club could go over the salary cap when you can just continually back end contracts.
Ie. If Sydney get stuffed with Buddy's contract (which they have back ended cause they can't afford to fit in his 1.5mil a year in next years cap) later in his career and he retires and they are forced to pay out his contract under 1 years cap, can't they just back end everyone else's contract? Just feel with backending contracts you can affectively have 22 players all on huge money for 1-2 years and back end half of them, then the next set of players come in, just back end there contracts and so forth. Seems a never ending cycle.
Carlton lost Betts, Buddy leaves Hawks, Thomas leaves Pies and they pick up who they pick up. Cats have moved on Chappy, Corey, Hunt and Pods which frees up salary cap cash for a Taylor Adams/Heath Shaw
Trading quality for quality on theory gives you bargaining power but also cap relief.
You also get cap relief by moving on players who don't go last their use by date on stop delivering value for their salary.
While I can see the logic with Grimes, I'd still hold out hope he will overcome his injuries - the question is whether he will keep his pace. If that looks gone he is stuffed. I remember Dutchy Holland who was always a bit slow but he looked like he was running through quicksand after his knee reco.
We should've traded/delisted King, Foley (getting a 2nd or 3rd round pick and even paying half his salary would be worth it) and retired Newman who has been a great servant of the value but is slow as treacle.
This in addition to moving on McGuane, Nahas, White and Tuck would've freed up plenty of cash to even attract a decent free agent if we couldn't trade.
These players won't impact on our ability to play in the 8 next year but their combined salaries might jag us the 2 quality players required to push for a top 4 spot.
My guess is that when people get frustrated at our list management it is for these reasons.
To be blunt, while Graeme Richmond may not have been as successful today as he was 40 years ago, he would've been ruthless enough to make these changes without blinking an eye lid.
We haven't been in this position for a long time, it will be interesting too see how thing evolve over the next few years.
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If we were unable to re-sign dusty then this trade period would have been completely different for us. We would have had Adams or Mumford at the very least.
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What % of our stuffed salary cap have we spent?
looks like enough of it so we cant bring in a decent player of note.
It isn't stuffed. Dan Richardson when interviewed after the Hampson deal said we were not chasing Adam's any longer due to what he was asking and that it didn't fit in with our TPP structure.
He didn't say we could not afford him, just that it didn't fit in with what we wanted to pay. Two very different things. Obviously he wants higher than what we are willing to pay or think he is worth at this point.
Of course the media then go and report this as "Richmond out of race for Adams as they cannot afford him." :rollin
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I can't understand how we can be keen to get Shiel but can;t afford Adams.
Call me dumb but just get Adams who is actually obtainable??????
As silly as it sounds , we ve ran out of coin, collingwood have release a few players providing some space in the tpp....no hope
they signed hampson but ran out of salary cap room. lol.
Hampson is cheap. Not remotely relevant. You do realise we need a full list of players.
of course its relevant how can we who finished 7th only add Hampson having lost McGuane, White and afew others not have salary cap room. Looks like weve stuffed up our salary cap somewhere along the lines.
Hardly we were barely paying 95% of the cap Ramps and we have not paid overs on those we have re-signed. We needed to offload blokes like McGuane who were on lucrative deals under the Cameron admin compared to the type of players they were. Being over the cap is a myth and generated by the Blues, Magpies, Bombers infused media who always seem to have money to burn despite their lists. ::)
Furthermore the smarter managers were the ones who went and are managing the high end draft picks from the two new expansion clubs who at some point in time would either get homesick or crave success or even the feel of a traditional footy club surroundings as opposed to this new plastic franchise environment.
It's hard to therefore push for a Taylor Adams when Mr Pickering and co tell their kids they are worth 400-600K a year even as the third year player and know how the Pies and Bombers will always be willing to part with that money considering the types of clubs they are. It's ok to go after a big fish so long as the environment is conjucive for us to do so and given we are locking away our talent for their real value as opposed to the inflated market value then that is fine with me. You can't preach to Cotch and co the mantra of successful clubs stick together only to bring in a player of similar ilk on significantly more money and when the time comes for Cotch and co they get told sorry no money in the kitty.
Memo Sydney Swans this is why we MUST move heaven and earth for kids like Bird, Jack, Hanneberry when the time comes bc Mr Franklin and Mr Tippett will be getting all the cash and blokes of the aforementioned ilk will be battling to get relevant pay rises. It's not matter of taking something because its there its a matter of taking something that's the right fit for us on the field that will serve a purpose to the team not just fill the back page of the paper for a day or too till Collingwood, Carlton or Essendon scratch their heads and the dandruff flakes fall on their shoulders which seems to be big news anyway.
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Another midget with sub par skills :banghead
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Let's face it, while other clubs in the hunt for big ticket players are having garage sales, we are having a council curbside cleanup.
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Let's face it, while other clubs in the hunt for big ticket players are having garage sales, we are having a council curbside cleanup.
say what?
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Let's face it, while other clubs in the hunt for big ticket players are having garage sales, we are having a council curbside cleanup.
say what?
He said,
Let's face it, while other clubs in the hunt for big ticket players are having garage sales, we are having a council curbside cleanup.
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Jon Ralph on the Herald-Sun website saying Shiel is not a target of ours.
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Melbourne, Carlton and Richmond are considered to be heavy contenders to win the rights to GWS' Dylan Shiel who has been linked with a return back to Victoria.
The Demons in particular are in the box seat to pull off another 'Dom Tyson' like trade with the Giants, which could see an early pick sent the way of GWS in return for a promising young gun from their ranks.
https://www.facebook.com/AFLSeasonAndOffSeasonNews
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GWS won't accept anything less than an early pick especially if a few Vic clubs are interested and it ends up an auction. With Melbourne and Carlton below us on the ladder, they have a higher pick to offer up even if we are keen. Shiels would have to stipulate Richmond as his only choice of club to get to us.
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Would take him, but for our first round?
Give them Vickery, Grigg and our 2nd and 3rd round pick!
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Fmd if deez get this player.... :chuck
Get it done tigers :thumbsup
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Fmd if deez get this player.... :chuck
Get it done tigers :thumbsup
The AFL Demons are already hard at work thinking up some bullpoo concession to give them Shiels.
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Will get outbid again but, hey - as long as we keep racking up those late season wins "for the fans"....
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Will get outbid again but, hey - as long as we keep racking up those late season wins "for the fans"....
This, and exactly why I wont be back this year..
Yeesss lets finish the year strongly to make ammends for our unwillingness to win games when it counts.
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Dylan Grimes should be on the trade table IMHO. Has got to be worth something decent IMHO.
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I'd back fj to pluck a draftee that would leave shiels in their wake , heck he played the rookie draft on a break last year....I'd swap griff and helbig for him
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I'd back fj to pluck a draftee that would leave shiels in their wake , heck he played the rookie draft on a break last year....I'd swap griff and helbig for him
Did the word pluck get changed by the swear filter?
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Would take him, but for our first round?
Give them Vickery, Grigg and our 2nd and 3rd round pick!
Mate believe me his worth our first rounder
His going to be a gun. Tough as nails
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I'd back fj to pluck a draftee that would leave shiels in their wake , heck he played the rookie draft on a break last year....I'd swap griff and helbig for him
Please stop trolling.
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Unlike Tyson, hasn't he got one more year on contract?
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Unlike Tyson, hasn't he got one more year on contract?
I believe so
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Not that it means much but he supports Carlton. Won a lot of premierships in the juniors with O'Hanlon though. Would have to give up something good for him.
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Contracted = not going anywhere
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The kid is a friggin gun! Watch him play regularly. Super fit, tough as nails, excellent decision maker and their second best midfielder behind Callan Ward and just ahead of Treloar.
I'd give a first rounder for him any day but I think GWS may be looking for another top up of experience and will probably look to on trade any pick they get.
Get it done Tiges! :clapping
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Straight swap for Foley and Hampson
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Straight swap for Foley and Hampson
They have plenty of Rucks Chuck, so how about we offer up Megan instead as she has more upside. ;D She could become "G" Girl!.
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Straight swap for Foley and Hampson
They have plenty of Rucks Chuck, so how about we offer up Megan instead as she has more upside. ;D She could become "G" Girl!.
Actually good point Tiga, best asset Hampson has is Megs, surprise he caught her since he cant catch anything else
Get it done Tiges :gotigers
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Straight swap for Foley and Hampson
They have plenty of Rucks Chuck, so how about we offer up Megan instead as she has more upside. ;D She could become "G" Girl!.
Actually good point Tiga, best asset Hampson has is Megs, surprise he caught her since he cant catch anything else
Get it done Tiges :gotigers
That's why he hasn't needed to catch anything since!
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Rockliff or his Irish mate
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So from memory over the last few years we have had a crack at the following young stars wanting to come home to play
Josh Caddy (pick 7 in his original draft)
Dom Tyson (pick 11)
Taylor Adams (pick 13)
And now we have a chance with Dylan Shiels who I rate the best of the lot of them. If we could manage to get him in a player/trade pick swap and keep our first round selection this wouldn't be a waste of a year after all.
Next year Lennon is another year older and hopefully McBean can take the next step and we start to look a little more classy.
Trade in the small forward we desperately need in Garlett.
Throw some money at Chip Frawley that way we could use Astbury or Griff in the Shiel trade. Let's face it, Astbury was ok this year but could quite easy do nothing again like his previous years.
I would also be looking to trade Grigg, Houli, Hampson, Jackson and Batch. I know we wouldn't get much for any of them but I would prefer kids on our list than blokes that continue to let us all down and are on pretty good money. (250/300k) They play a good game here and there but they make to many mistakes when things get tight.
We need to bring in kids with pace and good skills. Draft 8 to 10 kids. Treat this year as one we needed to have.
This club needs a real good clean out but as well as do that bring in blokes that are starting 22.
A side like this next year surely is better than what we have had to put up with this year.
Grimes Frawley Morris
Dea Rance Lids
Ellis Miles Vlaustin
Lennon Vickory Martin
Garlett Jack McBean
Maric Cotchin Shiels
Foley Conca Draft pick 7 Edwards/other drafted kid
Not a bad starting 22 with some real toughness and improving skill level.
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I wouldn't throw money at Frawley. For what he apparently wants, the length of time he want he is not worth the money.
He wouldn't see us as having any more potential as Melbourne so give that one up.
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I wouldn't throw money at Frawley. For what he apparently wants, the length of time he want he is not worth the money.
He wouldn't see us as having any more potential as Melbourne so give that one up.
Both good points and I agree
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So from memory over the last few years we have had a crack at the following young stars wanting to come home to play
Josh Caddy (pick 7 in his original draft)
Dom Tyson (pick 11)
Taylor Adams (pick 13)
And now we have a chance with Dylan Shiels who I rate the best of the lot of them. If we could manage to get him in a player/trade pick swap and keep our first round selection this wouldn't be a waste of a year after all.
Next year Lennon is another year older and hopefully McBean can take the next step and we start to look a little more classy.
Trade in the small forward we desperately need in Garlett.
Throw some money at Chip Frawley that way we could use Astbury or Griff in the Shiel trade. Let's face it, Astbury was ok this year but could quite easy do nothing again like his previous years.
I would also be looking to trade Grigg, Houli, Hampson, Jackson and Batch. I know we wouldn't get much for any of them but I would prefer kids on our list than blokes that continue to let us all down and are on pretty good money. (250/300k) They play a good game here and there but they make to many mistakes when things get tight.
We need to bring in kids with pace and good skills. Draft 8 to 10 kids. Treat this year as one we needed to have.
This club needs a real good clean out but as well as do that bring in blokes that are starting 22.
A side like this next year surely is better than what we have had to put up with this year.
Grimes Frawley Morris
Dea Rance Lids
Ellis Miles Vlaustin
Lennon Vickory Martin
Garlett Jack McBean
Maric Cotchin Shiels
Foley Conca Draft pick 7 Edwards/other drafted kid
Not a bad starting 22 with some real toughness and improving skill level.
they have absolutely no need for either griffiths or astbury. their list of tallfwds, tall defenders and ruckmen far exceeds anything these two could offer. if we want a quality player like shiels we will have to offer up quality to get him or use pick 7 with a decent player.
with us still 5 yrs away from having any chance of a gf the one high quality player we could afford to lose would be deledio hes 28 in april next yr. but brett is contracted is loyal and would have to want to go. at 28 if he went it would be for immediate success so while gws are a very promising long term prospect they dont meet the immediate nnow.
it wont be until we actually build up a substantial amount of depth and real talent thet we will truly be in a position to trade for these types. when we have very good players who cant get a game then we can afford to offload quality players.
for now we must find ways to get good picks in the nd and do the hard yards. we have a better chance of gaining say top 20 - 35 picks by making some hard calls on blokes like vickery and griffiths than actually getting players like shiels for nothing.
i agree frawley and garlett meet needs and add to the team straight away.
but how do we realistically get our hands on high quality young talent like shiels.
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Contracted = not going anywhere
agree and certainly not to a club that has nothing to offer but mainly mediocrity, and what quality we do have we can ill afford to lose a bit like robbing peter to pay paul.
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Contracted = not going anywhere
agree and certainly not to a club that has nothing to offer but mainly mediocrity, and what quality we do have we can ill afford to lose a bit like robbing peter to pay paul.
x 3.
even if we had quality to offer up our club is too gutless to make a heath shaw type call, instead preferring to hold them till they are worthless.
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Angus I got a gut feeling that come this trade period we might throw the cat amongst the pigeons..just a gut feeling
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Contracted = not going anywhere
agree and certainly not to a club that has nothing to offer but mainly mediocrity, and what quality we do have we can ill afford to lose a bit like robbing peter to pay paul.
We do have Choco who he knows well (as he goes out with his ?daughter)
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Contracted = not going anywhere
agree and certainly not to a club that has nothing to offer but mainly mediocrity, and what quality we do have we can ill afford to lose a bit like robbing peter to pay paul.
He is contracted for 2015. After that he can walk for nothing if he wants. Clubs know this and are willing to trade before their contracts are up knowing that they could get nothing if the kid is willing to go back into the draft.
Also GWS have some real talent up forward but down back they need some size and experience. I don't rate Astbury but some on here do. Stephen Gilham and Tim Mohr are hardly stars down back.
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Contracted = not going anywhere
agree and certainly not to a club that has nothing to offer but mainly mediocrity, and what quality we do have we can ill afford to lose a bit like robbing peter to pay paul.
He is contracted for 2015. After that he can walk for nothing if he wants. Clubs know this and are willing to trade before their contracts are up knowing that they could get nothing if the kid is willing to go back into the draft.
Also GWS have some real talent up forward but down back they need some size and experience. I don't rate Astbury but some on here do. Stephen Gilham and Tim Mohr are hardly stars down back.
plowman, tomlinson, davis, even jaksch all say hello as tall defenders tony.mohr while unfashionable is more than servicable solid sound defender.
imo i really dont think they have a need for another tall defender and especially one that has struggled to establish himself and only played 35 odd games.
i reckon if they were after a kpd they would trade for frawley. geez shiel in a swap for frawley with some sugar coating going on. its just too easy for other clubs to trump us in these things atm.
imo i reckon they are far enough along to persevere with the talent they have.
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Can the mods change the title to his correct name at least! It's Dylan Shiel, not Shiels.
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Was very average today
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Was very average today
Who was? Shiel or Shiels?
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Both
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Was very average today
VERY
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Was very average today
I actually thought he showed he'd fit in really well at Tigerland... Those little "dinky" kicks of his perfect
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What no is he, the only ones I noticed where 5, 8 and 12
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What no is he, the only ones I noticed where 5, 8 and 12
Starting to get a feel for where your insights come from Bojo. :shh
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What no is he, the only ones I noticed where 5, 8 and 12
He was the one missing targets all day long.
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Hoskin Elliot. Pls
Like a greyhound
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Hoskin-Elliot. Ran away from Houli and Grimes all day. Looks like a pest too. Like him.
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Hey no bagging this kid please, he isnt a RFC player, if you want to bag someone pleas edo so with RFC listed players
Shiel is a gun
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Shiel is a gun
Will be but was just very average on the day :thumbsup. Doesn't want to play for Richmond and knows we don't look at players beyond when we play them so knew if he turned in a poo one we won't go after him
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Trade in the small forward we desperately need in Garlett.
i agree frawley and garlett meet needs and add to the team straight away.
Might be more to Garlett's stint in the 2's than just form:
OUT-OF-FAVOUR Carlton forward Jeff Garlett is expected to be available to play this weekend despite needing stitches after a city brawl on Sunday morning.
The 25-year-old was treated for a head laceration after the incident, which occurred in Melbourne's Lonsdale Street around 5am.
He was released from the Royal Melbourne Hospital soon after and attended the Northern Blues' recovery session on Sunday morning.
It is believed he didn't know the other people involved in the brawl and is not facing any criminal action.
There were no other Carlton players involved with Garlett, who was out celebrating his birthday – which was on Sunday – with other friends after playing for the Blues' VFL side at Casey Fields.
The Blues said Garlett had not missed a beat since the incident.
"Jeff kept the club well informed of his movements on the weekend," football manager Andrew McKay said.
"He attended recovery on Sunday morning for his VFL commitments and has trained without interruption this week.
"In this particular case Jeff’s welfare is paramount and we will continue to work with him internally. He has our full support."
However, it is believed the Blues made it clear they were disappointed with the fact Garlett was out so late.
Garlett last played seniors in round 12 this year and had kicked just 12 majors for the season after leading the club for goals with 43 in 2013.
Early last month, coach Mick Malthouse said he wasn't scoring enough goals and was failing to defend.
Garlett is out of contract at the end of this season.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-05/garlett-injured-in-fight? (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-05/garlett-injured-in-fight?)
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Was very average today
Who was? Shiel or Shiels?
played like a shiela.
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Shiel set to spurn go-home offers
GWS midfielder Dylan Shiel is set to spurn the interest of Melbourne clubs salivating over the prospect of raiding the young gun.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/gws-giants
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NORTH MELBOURNE
Draft picks (first three rounds): 16, 35, 54.
Gone: North has yet to officially announce any retirements or delistings, but Liam Anthony, Taylor Hine, Mitch Wilkins and rookie Tim McGenniss are all out of contract and look set to finish up at Arden Street. Robbie Nahas and Max Warren are also out of contract and the Roos might not make a call on their futures until the end of October's trade period.
What they need: More outside run and flair to complement, and eventually replace, Brent Harvey and Daniel Wells. A 195cm-plus key defender and another strong contested mark in attack.
Whispers: North is hoping to land Western Bulldog Shaun Higgins and Carlton spearhead Jarrad Waite as free agents, and is set to meet with Heritier Lumumba as the Magpie seeks a trade. North is also one of a number of clubs linked to Bulldogs forward Liam Jones. Collingwood is understood to have expressed some interest in Aaron Mullett, but the half-back is contracted to the end of 2015 and is a required player. Levi Greenwood remains out of contract and is believed to have attracted preliminary interest from Richmond, but the rejuvenated midfielder wants to stay at Arden Street and should reach a new deal with the club soon.
Dream trade: With Lance Franklin and Kurt Tippett dominating the Sydney Swans' forward line, it is only a matter of time before a rival team has a serious crack at Sam Reid. Making the deal happen will be the hard part, but North could offer the Swans a package including its first-round pick and one of Ryan Bastinac, Brad McKenzie or Kieran Harper. - Nick Bowen
RICHMOND
Draft picks (first three rounds): 11, 31, 49
Gone: Todd Banfield, Ben Darrou, Aaron Edwards, Brad Helbig, Dan Jackson, Jake King, Brett O'Hanlon, Orren Stephenson and Cadeyn Williams.
What they need: Speed and leadership in the midfield. Anthony Miles added greatly to the Tigers' contested game, now they need to find a replacement for Matt White, whose dash was missed in 2014. A rebounding defender with elite ball use is a player the Tigers either need to develop or trade in.
Whispers: Greater Western Sydney midfielder Dylan Shiel has been linked to Punt Road for months, despite being contracted for 2015. A number of Victorian clubs view him as attainable with the right deal and he would be a perfect fit in the Tigers' midfield.
Dream trade: The Tigers won't get Shiel without paying a hefty price, given the demand for his services, his quality, and his contracted status. Their first pick (No.11) is a starting point. Midfielder Reece Conca could attract interest in WA and get the Tigers a second pick to send on to the Giants. - Nathan Schmook
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-29/aflcomaus-draft-and-trade-primer
Would love to get Greenwood and Shiel. Big bodied mids to relieve some of the class in our current mid to maybe shore up the HB.
Happy to trade Conca to WA for a decent pick. Pick 11 + 31 for Shiel wouldn't be overs IMO, and maybe include a player from GWS? Conca-trade-pick +/- a player for Greenwood. I'd be thrilled. Could maybe even offer Vickery up to North given Petrie's age.
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greenwood ur kidding we don't need another so so player we need ones with polish and class that can win games for us not just be a tier player.. even though Dylan Sheilds is contracted to GWS till next year just like Dangerfield we need to try and convince these players to get across to the RFC otherwise the bigger clubs are just going to continue to grow like hawthorn win back to back and want frawley come on please and offer what he wants we should have money like francis made a statement when we were 3 and 8 we are going to be active and bring in a big name as we have lots of money well lets see this happen... saying one thing but doing this is what matters...
we also need another forward like the old days when we had the little fellas in daffy and nash... jack and griffo and vickery (who knows what we are going to do with him) arnt a buddy and tippet or even a roughy , bruest or gunsten combo....
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we are chasing inside midfielders
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just like we are chasing the rest of the pack all good in chasing mids but if we cant kick winning scores and defend whats the point...
need another forward key player
another defender to help rance hate to think how slow chaplin will be this year..
our mids are good come on ellis, dids,martin,cocth,miles and edwards..
I just want some run off the back half bachar,grigg,newman don't see run and carry sure bachar can but he doesn't have that killer punch like the good teams.
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please for the love of god make that trade and send Conca back to WA
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Its Chaplin goes any slower its going to cause a rip in the space–time continuum
His already moves like a large boat
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hahah glad u agree on that one he is nearly shot....
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hahah glad u agree on that one he needs to be shot....
EFA
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I've split the Greenwood/Shiel info here to its own thread so it doesn't get lost amongst the other trade rumour talk.
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Who said we're interested in them ? Haven't seen anything ...
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I can confirm that I have heard nothing.
In fact I can also confirm that I heard lots of knowledgeable posters say we are doing nothing.
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Trade Radio @traderadio 16m
@barrettdamian says @NorthKangaroos uncontracted Levi Greenwood has interest from @Richmond_FC. 25yo, 2014 a breakout season #NABTradeRadio
https://twitter.com/traderadio
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Trade Radio @traderadio 16m
@barrettdamian says @NorthKangaroos uncontracted Levi Greenwood has interest from @Richmond_FC. 25yo, 2014 a breakout season #NABTradeRadio
https://twitter.com/traderadio
Surely he'd want to play for a big Melbourne club
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While id like dylan sheils it shouldnt be at any cost. He would be a asset to replace newman or whomever
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I cant see why Nort would let Greenwood go. Its not as if they are under salary cap pressure or they shouldnt be and he played 22 games this year his stats are pretty good. If this came up last year you might have thought hes a chance to go after 6 games and only 5 the year before.
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Wasn't impressed with his kicking when we played GWS butchered the ball many times.
What happened to Hardwicks mantra must be able to kick?
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Wasn't impressed with his kicking when we played GWS butchered the ball many times.
What happened to Hardwicks mantra must be able to kick?
yeah he was terrible that day - to those that have seen a lot more of him - is he worth our first round pick? Should we seriously be looking at offloading say a conca to wa or vickery and packaging up a couple of picks for O'Rourke and Shiels? Or would we be better off leaving them and going the draft?
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greenwood ur kidding we don't need another so so player we need ones with polish and class that can win games for us not just be a tier player.
hes a yes from me. would be a good get. i thought he had a very good season last yr 2013 despite playing just 6 games of afl but was good at werribee and it translated into the afl games he did play. last yr he was pretty decent despite just 6 games.
hes gone on with it this yr at the top level and i cant believe nm have not resigned him at this stage.he would be up there with both swallow and cunnington for cps tackles and clearances the key stats for inside mids to me.he also can do a good run with role did na job on cotch if i remember.reckon nm will resign him and imo we are 1 yr too late to go aftewr him. would be an ideal replacement for jackson imo.
if we had identified his 2013 at the end of 2013 and got him then we would have got him fairly cheap. now we will pay unless he walks.
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not interested in greenwood, would struggle to get a game, GET shiel is my message :shh
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not interested in greenwood, would struggle to get a game, GET shiel is my message :shh
I'd be happy with either. Obviously more so if we got Shiel, but either would be an upgrade.
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not interested in greenwood, would struggle to get a game, GET shiel is my message :shh
oh im interested in both i dont believe we will get either.
we have a lot of areas to fix and build real depth.midfield is one of them. if getting both and one or two other mids is what we do then so be it. target the area and then move to the next area.imo we need roughly 6 mids both inside and out. our trouble is we do need to address other areas asap as well.so it may be only two or three mids this trade draft period.if we got both greenwood and shiel it would be a good start.
seniors - greenwood, deledio, cotchin, miles, martin, shiel, ellis, foley.vlastuin .
reserves - arnot, grigg, conca, knights,thomas, edwards??. plus 3 others. it would total 18 mids wich is about whats needed for both seniors and reserves and cater to the various stages of development mature devevelopment and juniors.
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Why ??
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Shiel is nothing special imo
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FFS even claw can see what I'm talking about here.
Conca and pick 11 to WCE for pick 10 and 30.
Vickery (and pick 31 if necessary) for Greenwood.
Grab Higgins as a FA MAYBE??
Pick 10 and pick 30 for Dylan Shiel.
Out:
Conca (doesn't look an A grader)
Vickery (doesn't look an A grader)
Pick 11
Pick 31
In:
Greenwood (looks an A grader based on this year)
Shiel (A grader)
Higgins (mid/fwd depth)
Pick 31 maybe
And there's your midfield depth. Shiel 180/84, Greenwood 181/87, Higgins 184/89. Three big bodied blokes who can play inside midfield straight away, no need for our hit/miss development.
Frees up Cotchin to go forward and Deledio to go the half back to provide rebound.
Midfield = Greenwood, Shiel, Higgins, Miles, Foley, Edwards, Ellis, Vlastuin, Cotchin (part time), Deledio (part time), Martin (part time).
Forward = Riewoldt, Griffiths, ? McBean, Gordon, Lloyd, Cotchin (part time), Martin (part time), Deledio (part time).
Back = Astbury (if he can reproduce 2014 early form), Rance, Chaplin (3rd tall/3rd up), Grimes (can play small, fast runner), Morris (post shoulder surgery), Deledio (part time), Houli etc
Gives us the midfield depth we need, and big bodies to protect the smaller blokes like Chimp.
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Don't mind swapping conca for shiel but TV for greenwood no way, would leave us light on in the rucks...greenwood is really an arnot that s been given a go...that is all
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Similar size to Arnot yes, but he's averaged 25 touches per game and kicked 16 goals in 22 matches this year. Already has more finals experience than practically anybody at our club. Far superior to Arnot.
As for rucks we have Maric (1st), Griffiths (FWD/ruck), we're still stuck with Hampson who despite being a nothing player is at least a reasonable tap-ruckman. Don't think I'd be too worried losing Vickery, and there's no reason we couldn't pick up another ruck. Could even try to get Shiel + Giles as a package?
One thing for sure, I certainly wouldn't hang onto TV for ruck depth.
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Similar size to Arnot yes, but he's averaged 25 touches per game and kicked 16 goals in 22 matches this year. Already has more finals experience than practically anybody at our club. Far superior to Arnot.
As for rucks we have Maric (1st), Griffiths (FWD/ruck), we're still stuck with Hampson who despite being a nothing player is at least a reasonable tap-ruckman. Don't think I'd be too worried losing Vickery, and there's no reason we couldn't pick up another ruck. Could even try to get Shiel + Giles as a package?
One thing for sure, I certainly wouldn't hang onto TV for ruck depth.
dont think greenwood an a grader but a pretty decent prospect b grader and b grade for me is somewhere aroiund good to v/good.
to me we could take it further and go hard for frawley thus build some real kpd depth, get garlett address the immediate sml fwd need. somehow snag shiel and greenwood.
if we arent going to address needs this way then we really should be looking to trade players for picks. this doesnt seem an option as most of those with any sort of trade value have been resigned.
best 22 with the above scenario.
fb morris - frawley - rance
hb mcintosh/vlastuin - astbury - clem smith 2nd rounder.
c deledio - cotchin - ellis
r maric - miles = shiel
hf martin - #### - lennon
ff garlett - riewoldt - griffiths
int/ vlastuin - greenwood - foley - knights if fit.
theres a lot of wishful thinking going on there.
magoos theres a lot of gloom here as i think i would replace em all over the next two or three yrs apart from two or three.
b/ dea - chaplin - batchelor
hb/ houli - #### - grimes
c/ #### - thomas - grigg
r/ hampson - arnot - edwards
hf gordon - elton - petterd
ff/ lloyd - mcbean - vickery
the lack of good talls right thru ruck to 3rd tall hits you in the face. the lack of mids also.
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Yeah I'd like to see them have a crack at Garlett. Not sold on Frawley for the price he's asking though.
If he's getting offers of $500-600k/year from top 4 sides like Geelong, Hawthorn and Fremantle then we'd have to probably offer him $800k/year. Not worth that to me.
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Yeah I'd like to see them have a crack at Garlett. Not sold on Frawley for the price he's asking though.
If he's getting offers of $500-600k/year from top 4 sides like Geelong, Hawthorn and Fremantle then we'd have to probably offer him $800k/year. Not worth that to me.
F/A IS A TRADE OFF. YOU PAY NOTHING AS FAR AS PICKS ETC GO TO GET EM BUT YOU PAY OVERS TO ENTICE EM. HAPPY TO PAY OVERS AS LONG AS WE MANAGE THE LIST PROPERLY. GOTTA GIVE EM A GOOD REASON TO COME .THE ONLY TICKET ITEM WE HAVE TO OFFER IS PAY HIM MONEY. IT AINT HARD FRONT LOAD HIS CONTRACT THIS YR, WE SUPPOSEDLY HAVE THE SPACE. SO PAY WAY OVER THIS YR AND 500 -600k THE FOLLOWING YRS of his contract..
Whoops caps on again sorry. i feel for players like frawley, he can definately play but has the weight of the world on his shoulders. he doesnt want to be there and hasnt for awhile id say. get him to any other club and watch the change. well thats my take on it anyway. he has genuine strength in the core is exceptionally quick and very good at combating players on the lead. he has the right physical attributes to play f/b
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Can't get Gartlett. Doesn't fit our no aboriginees policy
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Can't get Gartlett. Doesn't fit our no aboriginees policy
Which in turn fits in with our historical association with Tasmania....
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Can't get Gartlett. Doesn't fit our no aboriginees policy
Which in turn fits in with our historical association with Tasmania....
truganini ?
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Can't get Gartlett. Doesn't fit our no aboriginees policy
Which in turn fits in with our historical association with Tasmania....
truganini ?
Michael "ol' blue eyes" Mansell....
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Can't get Gartlett. Doesn't fit our no aboriginees policy
i can understand why we are scared of taking em with our track record. thing is garlett has a pretty decent record to judge him by.hed be a pretty decent upgrade on any sml fwd we have had for a long while.
just on the tassie connection
i can still remember as a kid going to the hobart museum and looking at the aboriginal exhibits . for yrs there was the truginini exhibit and this really old photo of whites with aborigines draped over barbed wire fences after they had gone on a raid proudly displaying their trophys. they were hash times.we have a bit to answer for id say well or fore fathers do.
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Can't get Gartlett. Doesn't fit our no aboriginees policy
i can understand why we are scared of taking em with our track record. thing is garlett has a pretty decent record to judge him by.hed be a pretty decent upgrade on any sml fwd we have had for a long while.
just on the tassie connection
i can still remember as a kid going to the hobart museum and looking at the aboriginal exhibits . for yrs there was the truginini exhibit and this really old photo of whites with aborigines draped over barbed wire fences after they had gone on a raid proudly displaying their trophys. they were hash times.we have a bit to answer for id say well or fore fathers do.
All will be forgiven if we bring Gartlett to punt road
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Claw we have had one good aboriginal player since Rioli and thats Mitchell and lets be honest he wasnt great by any stretch either.
What they do with that centre god knows, but until they get their poo together i wouldnt touch any indigenous player with a ten foot pole. Not because i dont want them but because we have a rubbish culture in dealing with these guys.
Could you imagine if shaun burgoyne ended at Richmond. He would probably be in jail or caught hanging out with some bikie gang member.
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Didn't rate Krakka ?
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Didn't rate Krakka ?
i did say good mate. Like a Burgoyne, Betts, Ryder. Those types. We dont draft them for a reason because we cant develop them properly.
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Giants' Dylan Shiel will not leave the club according to his manager.
https://www.facebook.com/AFLSeasonAndOffSeasonNews
However, on Greenwood ... (from two days ago)
dustinlmartin instagram - "me and my boy @levi_greenwood"
(http://photos-b.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xaf1/10684321_682093125231681_1083016142_n.jpg)
http://instagram.com/p/tcbm3sRFal
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Didn't rate Krakka ?
If all Richmond matches were only ever was played in the rain at the MCG he'd nearly be up there with Maurice....
...so he then went to Collingwood who only ever play at MCG, though even Eddie couldn't control the weather......
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Levi Greenwood is yet to re-sign with North Melbourne as contract talks continue
Jay Clark
Herald-Sun
September 30, 2014
NORTH Melbourne sensation Levi Greenwood remains unsigned for next season only days out from an expected top-three finish in the best and fairest.
Greenwood enjoyed a career-best season and could yet take out his first Syd Barker Medal on Friday night.
But the hard nut is in limbo about his future with the club and his manager, Liam Pickering, still unable to agree to terms.
The club remains confident it will keep Greenwood and that a new deal for the ball-winner was not far away.
Industry sources estimated Greenwood, 25, was worth about $350,000 a season the back of his dazzling onball performance this season.
But it is believed North’s contract is worth significantly less and includes performance-based incentives.
Richmond is believed to be interested in landing another inside midfielder and has been linked to a possible move on Greenwood in next month’s trade period.
Greenwood won the third most clearances and fifth most possessions for the Roos this season.
Greenwood and veteran Brent Harvey are the favourites to win the club best and fairest award.
North could be restricted in its offer to Greenwood by its attempts to land free agents Jarrad Waite and Shaun Higgins.
North Melbourne has increased its offer to Greenwood from one season to two.
He has played 74 games since being taken with pick No. 32 in the 2007 national draft.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/levi-greenwood-is-yet-to-resign-with-north-melbourne-as-contract-talks-continue/story-fndv8rij-1227074360180
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I would take Greenwood if available. All the clubs will be putting "work" into Miles next season, a seasoned hard nut that can get the footy out would be a great move for Richmond. It would also allow Cotchin to be more outside and not taking the hits that he does from opponents at the moment. Add a couple of fast outside midfielders, a ruck in the draft and maybe a kpp and that would be a decent trade and draft. having said all that I don't expect us to do anything. we never do.
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hahah cant get gartlett that's a good one in all honesty with the past 2 we have got in taylor and Roberts gartlett would be in the same class as an ablett hahahah
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greenwood hard to say didn't watch many if any north games so cant really comment.... Shields would be great he is hard nut powerful left foot and can run al day last year I remember we were going to land that hoskin Elliott form GWS but nothing he had a break out year....
Higgins wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole he plays what 8-10 games a year if lucky has an awesome pre season and breaks down....
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All the talk is Shiels isnt going anywhere..
North are going hard to try and pinch a premiership in the next year or 2 (lol) Waite is a done deal and strong mail that Higgins is close too. I hope they get them both - that will squeeze out Greenwood $$ wise, the offer is in the $200's and he wants more. North have an abundance of strong inside mids(Swallow, Cunnington and Zieball) so as much as they like Greenwood, he's not a major loss if he walks and they get reasonable compensation for him
What do people think is a fair offer? I reckon a pick around 20 is fair, our first rounder is too much, our second rounder is not enough.
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All the talk is Shiels isnt going anywhere..
North are going hard to try and pinch a premiership in the next year or 2 (lol) Waite is a done deal and strong mail that Higgins is close too. I hope they get them both - that will squeeze out Greenwood $$ wise, the offer is in the $200's and he wants more. North have an abundance of strong inside mids(Swallow, Cunnington and Zieball) so as much as they like Greenwood, he's not a major loss if he walks and they get reasonable compensation for him
What do people think is a fair offer? I reckon a pick around 20 is fair, our first rounder is too much, our second rounder is not enough.
Probably fair, would be great to off load Vickery to the Bulldogs for their 2nd rounder - keep that but give our second round pick for Greenwood.
So
Out
Vickery, pick 27-29
In
Greenwood, pick 21-23
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All the talk is Shiels isnt going anywhere..
North are going hard to try and pinch a premiership in the next year or 2 (lol) Waite is a done deal and strong mail that Higgins is close too. I hope they get them both - that will squeeze out Greenwood $$ wise, the offer is in the $200's and he wants more. North have an abundance of strong inside mids(Swallow, Cunnington and Zieball) so as much as they like Greenwood, he's not a major loss if he walks and they get reasonable compensation for him
What do people think is a fair offer? I reckon a pick around 20 is fair, our first rounder is too much, our second rounder is not enough.
Probably fair, would be great to off load Vickery to the Bulldogs for their 2nd rounder - keep that but give our second round pick for Greenwood.
So
Out
Vickery, pick 27-29
In
Greenwood, pick 21-23
Ouch
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green who? Isn't he slow? and also only had a good year when his contract was up.
he is out contract is he not? so make him an offer to take in the PSD and keep all our picks for Shiel.
Obtaining second round picks shouldn't be an option for the RFC because 95% of our picks are wrong so we might as well throw it down the toilet.
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hasn't he been the whipping boy at north for three years now
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Its pretty funny one breakout year and we are all over him like a wet suit but then when our players have a descent years like Nahas, Edwards, Grigg, most on here are like yeah na good depth players must keep.
Please
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He wins his own football, is a hard in and under type, would take heaps of pressure off cotch and Miles and wouldnt cost an arm and a leg. Bit of a no brainer if he's available.
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Evidently a lot of you didn't watch many north games this year.
Bloke is a contested ball winner. Need players like him now that Jackson is gone.
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I once heard Bruce say in commentary "Greeenwoood....cleverrrrr" so we must get him purely based on this. :thumbsup
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I once heard Bruce say in commentary "Greeenwoood....cleverrrrr" so we must get him purely based on this. :thumbsup
x 2 Must have
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He wins his own football, is a hard in and under type, would take heaps of pressure off cotch and Miles and wouldnt cost an arm and a leg. Bit of a no brainer if he's available.
He isn't worth our second rounder IMO. Not even close. And more to the point he isn't worth $350K.
Straight swap for Batch, or Bacha.
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He wins his own football, is a hard in and under type, would take heaps of pressure off cotch and Miles and wouldnt cost an arm and a leg. Bit of a no brainer if he's available.
He isn't worth our second rounder IMO. Not even close. And more to the point he isn't worth $350K.
Straight swap for Batch, or Bacha.
lol pee-er bt
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Martin's best mate at the club Edwards has just been delisted, Martin's off contract next year and Greenwood is another of Martin's good mates but also a half-decent player who fills a specific need and is off contract. No surprise we'd be into him.
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So some are get excited over Greenwood after one half decent year.
I wouldn't be giving up much for him.
I'm sure the red carpet is been saved for clangerfields arrival.
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So some are get excited over Greenwood after one half decent year.
I wouldn't be giving up much for him.
I'm sure the red carpet is been saved for clangerfields arrival.
Don't see anyone really getting all that excited over Greenwood....hell, even bo hasn't talked him up.......yet...
...and we're not going after Dangerfield.....next year's main targets are bigger, better, younger and lie in a more northerly direction....
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So some are get excited over Greenwood after one half decent year.
I wouldn't be giving up much for him.
I'm sure the red carpet is been saved for clangerfields arrival.
Don't see anyone really getting all that excited over Greenwood....hell, even bo hasn't talked him up.......yet...
...and we're not going after Dangerfield.....next year's main targets are bigger, better, younger and lie in a more northerly direction....
Sarcasm about Clangerfield, obviously over your head.
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So some are get excited over Greenwood after one half decent year.
I wouldn't be giving up much for him.
I'm sure the red carpet is been saved for clangerfields arrival.
Don't see anyone really getting all that excited over Greenwood....hell, even bo hasn't talked him up.......yet...
...and we're not going after Dangerfield.....next year's main targets are bigger, better, younger and lie in a more northerly direction....
yeah we been hearing that for three years lol
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So some are get excited over Greenwood after one half decent year.
I wouldn't be giving up much for him.
I'm sure the red carpet is been saved for clangerfields arrival.
Don't see anyone really getting all that excited over Greenwood....hell, even bo hasn't talked him up.......yet...
...and we're not going after Dangerfield.....next year's main targets are bigger, better, younger and lie in a more northerly direction....
yeah we been hearing that for three years lol
Well whether we actually manage to land them is another matter entirely....
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So some are get excited over Greenwood after one half decent year.
I wouldn't be giving up much for him.
I'm sure the red carpet is been saved for clangerfields arrival.
Don't see anyone really getting all that excited over Greenwood....hell, even bo hasn't talked him up.......yet...
...and we're not going after Dangerfield.....next year's main targets are bigger, better, younger and lie in a more northerly direction....
Tony M thinks he is worth a pick around 20. I'm pretty sure he is over excited!
Anyone else think he is worth pick 20ish? :help
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Greenwood? Is a very good player, and will improve. Will cost us our 2nd rounder in a trade... unless we got him to walk for nothing to us in the PSD?
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I'm not that excited about greenwood , he s two years older than conca, has had a breakout year, there's every chance conca could perform to same level. Nm are caught like us with white. One good season in 7-8 and the player is demanding a long term deal on handy coin....interesting what way they go, seems they've painted themselves into a corner to secure Waite and Higgins , nothing thing left in the cookie jar
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So some are get excited over Greenwood after one half decent year.
I wouldn't be giving up much for him.
I'm sure the red carpet is been saved for clangerfields arrival.
Don't see anyone really getting all that excited over Greenwood....hell, even bo hasn't talked him up.......yet...
...and we're not going after Dangerfield.....next year's main targets are bigger, better, younger and lie in a more northerly direction....
Tony M thinks he is worth a pick around 20. I'm pretty sure he is over excited!
Anyone else think he is worth pick 20ish? :help
Not excited, he is comfortably worth a pick in the 20's. Like we'd find a better player with our second pick :lol he's an upgrade on Jackson and Thomas.
You don't even think hes worth a 2nd rounder, you think one of norths best inside mids this season is worth batch or a pick 40+ :help so probably best to agree to disagree
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North Melbourne is unconcerned about rival interest in out-of-contract midfielder Levi Greenwood, confident he will be at Arden Street in 2015.
Greenwood bounced back from lean 2012 and 2013 seasons to average 25 possessions a game this year (second at North behind Brent Harvey), becoming a key member of the Roos' midfield with his clearance work and hard running.
The 25-year-old's existing three-year deal with North is set to expire at the end of next month, but AFL.com.au understands he wants to remain a Roo.
Nonetheless, Greenwood and North are yet to agree on a new deal despite prolonged negotiations.
Richmond is one club that is understood to be interested in speaking to Greenwood if his talks with the Roos break down.
But North football director Geoff Walsh told AFL.com.au on Tuesday he had no concerns that the Roos' negotiations with Greenwood had dragged on.
"At this stage of the year, we're talking to Levi and (his manager) Liam Pickering and we've had constant discussions over the past few weeks," Walsh said on Tuesday.
"I'd expect we'd have an outcome shortly."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-30/roos-confident-on-levi
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Tony M thinks he is worth a pick around 20. I'm pretty sure he is over excited!
Anyone else think he is worth pick 20ish? :help
I wouldn't pay less than 20 but reckon we would need to ante up under 30, especially if he goes as well in their B & F as has been predicted. But if you compare him to what we paid for Hampspud then I reckon we will need to offer our first round plus Cotchin. :help
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Our sec R pick will be late 20s so maybe however. I'm still backing FJ to pick up a diamond in the rough.......again :shh
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So some are get excited over Greenwood after one half decent year.
I wouldn't be giving up much for him.
I'm sure the red carpet is been saved for clangerfields arrival.
Dont really watch or take too much notice of players at other clubs.
But this guy is a son of an old footy mate so have payed a bit more attention and your spot on Rogerd very average up until after 1/2 way though the season and nothing to write home about. Cheapy top up at best
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Barrett, on Trade Radio, said that we met with Greenwood's management yesterday.
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Barrett, on Trade Radio, said that we met with Greenwood's management yesterday.
At the very least, we are driving up his contract at Norf.
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Barrett, on Trade Radio, said that we met with Greenwood's management yesterday.
At the very least, we are driving up his contract at Norf.
hopefully not before they sign Higgins and waite
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So some are get excited over Greenwood after one half decent year.
I wouldn't be giving up much for him.
I'm sure the red carpet is been saved for clangerfields arrival.
Don't see anyone really getting all that excited over Greenwood....hell, even bo hasn't talked him up.......yet...
...and we're not going after Dangerfield.....next year's main targets are bigger, better, younger and lie in a more northerly direction....
Tony M thinks he is worth a pick around 20. I'm pretty sure he is over excited!
Anyone else think he is worth pick 20ish? :help
Not excited, he is comfortably worth a pick in the 20's. Like we'd find a better player with our second pick :lol he's an upgrade on Jackson and Thomas.
You don't even think hes worth a 2nd rounder, you think one of norths best inside mids this season is worth batch or a pick 40+ :help so probably best to agree to disagree
100% right! I would not give up our second round pick for him. 3rd rounder is about right for a bloke that has had one decent season.
By the way, you said in your original post a pick around 20 would be about right for him. At pick 20 that would be a late first rounder, surly you don't think he is worth a first rounder??
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So some are get excited over Greenwood after one half decent year.
I wouldn't be giving up much for him.
I'm sure the red carpet is been saved for clangerfields arrival.
Don't see anyone really getting all that excited over Greenwood....hell, even bo hasn't talked him up.......yet...
...and we're not going after Dangerfield.....next year's main targets are bigger, better, younger and lie in a more northerly direction....
Tony M thinks he is worth a pick around 20. I'm pretty sure he is over excited!
Anyone else think he is worth pick 20ish? :help
Not excited, he is comfortably worth a pick in the 20's. Like we'd find a better player with our second pick :lol he's an upgrade on Jackson and Thomas.
You don't even think hes worth a 2nd rounder, you think one of norths best inside mids this season is worth batch or a pick 40+ :help so probably best to agree to disagree
100% right! I would not give up our second round pick for him. 3rd rounder is about right for a bloke that has had one decent season.
By the way, you said in your original post a pick around 20 would be about right for him. At pick 20 that would be a late first rounder, surly you don't think he is worth a first rounder??
I meant 20ish, as in a second rounder given that 1st rounders should end at 18. An early to mid second rounder is about market rate for him - imo.
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So some are get excited over Greenwood after one half decent year.
I wouldn't be giving up much for him.
I'm sure the red carpet is been saved for clangerfields arrival.
Don't see anyone really getting all that excited over Greenwood....hell, even bo hasn't talked him up.......yet...
...and we're not going after Dangerfield.....next year's main targets are bigger, better, younger and lie in a more northerly direction....
Tony M thinks he is worth a pick around 20. I'm pretty sure he is over excited!
Anyone else think he is worth pick 20ish? :help
Not excited, he is comfortably worth a pick in the 20's. Like we'd find a better player with our second pick :lol he's an upgrade on Jackson and Thomas.
You don't even think hes worth a 2nd rounder, you think one of norths best inside mids this season is worth batch or a pick 40+ :help so probably best to agree to disagree
100% right! I would not give up our second round pick for him. 3rd rounder is about right for a bloke that has had one decent season.
By the way, you said in your original post a pick around 20 would be about right for him. At pick 20 that would be a late first rounder, surly you don't think he is worth a first rounder??
I said 20ish, a second rounder given that 1st rounders end at 18. An early to mid second rounder is about market rate for him - imo.
With compo picks, pick 20 is still first round. :whistle
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So some are get excited over Greenwood after one half decent year.
I wouldn't be giving up much for him.
I'm sure the red carpet is been saved for clangerfields arrival.
Don't see anyone really getting all that excited over Greenwood....hell, even bo hasn't talked him up.......yet...
...and we're not going after Dangerfield.....next year's main targets are bigger, better, younger and lie in a more northerly direction....
Tony M thinks he is worth a pick around 20. I'm pretty sure he is over excited!
Anyone else think he is worth pick 20ish? :help
Not excited, he is comfortably worth a pick in the 20's. Like we'd find a better player with our second pick :lol he's an upgrade on Jackson and Thomas.
You don't even think hes worth a 2nd rounder, you think one of norths best inside mids this season is worth batch or a pick 40+ :help so probably best to agree to disagree
100% right! I would not give up our second round pick for him. 3rd rounder is about right for a bloke that has had one decent season.
By the way, you said in your original post a pick around 20 would be about right for him. At pick 20 that would be a late first rounder, surly you don't think he is worth a first rounder??
I said 20ish, a second rounder given that 1st rounders end at 18. An early to mid second rounder is about market rate for him - imo.
With compo picks, pick 20 is still first round. :whistle
I edited my quote to clear it up and spell it out for you as funnily enough I knew you would be a literal smartarse in true bt tradition, but you still went fishing :lol
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So some are get excited over Greenwood after one half decent year.
I wouldn't be giving up much for him.
I'm sure the red carpet is been saved for clangerfields arrival.
Don't see anyone really getting all that excited over Greenwood....hell, even bo hasn't talked him up.......yet...
...and we're not going after Dangerfield.....next year's main targets are bigger, better, younger and lie in a more northerly direction....
Tony M thinks he is worth a pick around 20. I'm pretty sure he is over excited!
Anyone else think he is worth pick 20ish? :help
Not excited, he is comfortably worth a pick in the 20's. Like we'd find a better player with our second pick :lol he's an upgrade on Jackson and Thomas.
You don't even think hes worth a 2nd rounder, you think one of norths best inside mids this season is worth batch or a pick 40+ :help so probably best to agree to disagree
100% right! I would not give up our second round pick for him. 3rd rounder is about right for a bloke that has had one decent season.
By the way, you said in your original post a pick around 20 would be about right for him. At pick 20 that would be a late first rounder, surly you don't think he is worth a first rounder??
I said 20ish, a second rounder given that 1st rounders end at 18. An early to mid second rounder is about market rate for him - imo.
With compo picks, pick 20 is still first round. :whistle
I edited my quote to clear it up and spell it out for you as funnily enough I knew you would be a literal smartarse in true bt tradition, but you still went fishing :lol
I might be a smartarse but at least I would be man enough to admit I got it wrong. Only a flog would try and turn it around like you have just done. You make sense most of the time but as soon as someone challenged you you resort to insults.
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So some are get excited over Greenwood after one half decent year.
I wouldn't be giving up much for him.
I'm sure the red carpet is been saved for clangerfields arrival.
Don't see anyone really getting all that excited over Greenwood....hell, even bo hasn't talked him up.......yet...
...and we're not going after Dangerfield.....next year's main targets are bigger, better, younger and lie in a more northerly direction....
Tony M thinks he is worth a pick around 20. I'm pretty sure he is over excited!
Anyone else think he is worth pick 20ish? :help
Not excited, he is comfortably worth a pick in the 20's. Like we'd find a better player with our second pick :lol he's an upgrade on Jackson and Thomas.
You don't even think hes worth a 2nd rounder, you think one of norths best inside mids this season is worth batch or a pick 40+ :help so probably best to agree to disagree
100% right! I would not give up our second round pick for him. 3rd rounder is about right for a bloke that has had one decent season.
By the way, you said in your original post a pick around 20 would be about right for him. At pick 20 that would be a late first rounder, surly you don't think he is worth a first rounder??
I said 20ish, a second rounder given that 1st rounders end at 18. An early to mid second rounder is about market rate for him - imo.
With compo picks, pick 20 is still first round. :whistle
I edited my quote to clear it up and spell it out for you as funnily enough I knew you would be a literal smartarse in true bt tradition, but you still went fishing :lol
I might be a smartarse but at least I would be man enough to admit I got it wrong. Only a flog would try and turn it around like you have just done. You make sense most of the time but as soon as someone challenged you you resort to insults.
Got what wrong? I have never had a problem admitting I am wrong both on this forum and in everyday life. As far as Im aware frawley is the only likely compensation so I assume 20 and beyond is second round, reasonable assumption I would've thought?? I respect peoples right to their own opinion and was/am happy to agree to disagree on this given how different our views are, but I don't think there's any need to be so literal about it. Pretty sure most people would understand what I meant by pick 20ish and Im tipping its not "so you would give up a 1st rounder TM??" or "TM is excited!" comeon.. :)
anyhow I don't think I was resorting to insults, but I apologise for calling you a literal smartarse, I'll replace that with baiting me (and doing a good job) :lol
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So some are get excited over Greenwood after one half decent year.
I wouldn't be giving up much for him.
I'm sure the red carpet is been saved for clangerfields arrival.
Don't see anyone really getting all that excited over Greenwood....hell, even bo hasn't talked him up.......yet...
...and we're not going after Dangerfield.....next year's main targets are bigger, better, younger and lie in a more northerly direction....
Tony M thinks he is worth a pick around 20. I'm pretty sure he is over excited!
Anyone else think he is worth pick 20ish? :help
Not excited, he is comfortably worth a pick in the 20's. Like we'd find a better player with our second pick :lol he's an upgrade on Jackson and Thomas.
You don't even think hes worth a 2nd rounder, you think one of norths best inside mids this season is worth batch or a pick 40+ :help so probably best to agree to disagree
100% right! I would not give up our second round pick for him. 3rd rounder is about right for a bloke that has had one decent season.
By the way, you said in your original post a pick around 20 would be about right for him. At pick 20 that would be a late first rounder, surly you don't think he is worth a first rounder??
I said 20ish, a second rounder given that 1st rounders end at 18. An early to mid second rounder is about market rate for him - imo.
With compo picks, pick 20 is still first round. :whistle
I edited my quote to clear it up and spell it out for you as funnily enough I knew you would be a literal smartarse in true bt tradition, but you still went fishing :lol
I might be a smartarse but at least I would be man enough to admit I got it wrong. Only a flog would try and turn it around like you have just done. You make sense most of the time but as soon as someone challenged you you resort to insults.
Got what wrong? I have never had a problem admitting I am wrong both on this forum and in everyday life. As far as Im aware frawley is the only likely compensation so I assume 20 and beyond is second round, reasonable assumption I would've thought?? I respect peoples right to their own opinion and was/am happy to agree to disagree on this given how different our views are, but I don't think there's any need to be so literal about it. Pretty sure most people would understand what I meant by pick 20ish and Im tipping its not "so you would give up a 1st rounder TM??" or "TM is excited!" comeon.. :)
anyhow I don't think I was resorting to insults, but I apologise for calling you a literal smartarse, I'll replace that with baiting me (and doing a good job) :lol
Quoted just to get in on the quoting
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So some are get excited over Greenwood after one half decent year.
I wouldn't be giving up much for him.
I'm sure the red carpet is been saved for clangerfields arrival.
Don't see anyone really getting all that excited over Greenwood....hell, even bo hasn't talked him up.......yet...
...and we're not going after Dangerfield.....next year's main targets are bigger, better, younger and lie in a more northerly direction....
Tony M thinks he is worth a pick around 20. I'm pretty sure he is over excited!
Anyone else think he is worth pick 20ish? :help
Not excited, he is comfortably worth a pick in the 20's. Like we'd find a better player with our second pick :lol he's an upgrade on Jackson and Thomas.
You don't even think hes worth a 2nd rounder, you think one of norths best inside mids this season is worth batch or a pick 40+ :help so probably best to agree to disagree
100% right! I would not give up our second round pick for him. 3rd rounder is about right for a bloke that has had one decent season.
By the way, you said in your original post a pick around 20 would be about right for him. At pick 20 that would be a late first rounder, surly you don't think he is worth a first rounder??
I said 20ish, a second rounder given that 1st rounders end at 18. An early to mid second rounder is about market rate for him - imo.
With compo picks, pick 20 is still first round. :whistle
I edited my quote to clear it up and spell it out for you as funnily enough I knew you would be a literal smartarse in true bt tradition, but you still went fishing :lol
I might be a smartarse but at least I would be man enough to admit I got it wrong. Only a flog would try and turn it around like you have just done. You make sense most of the time but as soon as someone challenged you you resort to insults.
Got what wrong? I have never had a problem admitting I am wrong both on this forum and in everyday life. As far as Im aware frawley is the only likely compensation so I assume 20 and beyond is second round, reasonable assumption I would've thought?? I respect peoples right to their own opinion and was/am happy to agree to disagree on this given how different our views are, but I don't think there's any need to be so literal about it. Pretty sure most people would understand what I meant by pick 20ish and Im tipping its not "so you would give up a 1st rounder TM??" or "TM is excited!" comeon.. :)
anyhow I don't think I was resorting to insults, but I apologise for calling you a literal smartarse, I'll replace that with baiting me (and doing a good job) :lol
Quoted just to get in on the quoting
Now youre in well and truly :cheers
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Summary: Tony called bt a smartarse so bt called Tony a flog which in turn caused Tony to conclude that bt was not a smartarse, but merely a master baiter.
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So some are get excited over Greenwood after one half decent year.
I wouldn't be giving up much for him.
I'm sure the red carpet is been saved for clangerfields arrival.
Don't see anyone really getting all that excited over Greenwood....hell, even bo hasn't talked him up.......yet...
...and we're not going after Dangerfield.....next year's main targets are bigger, better, younger and lie in a more northerly direction....
Tony M thinks he is worth a pick around 20. I'm pretty sure he is over excited!
Anyone else think he is worth pick 20ish? :help
Not excited, he is comfortably worth a pick in the 20's. Like we'd find a better player with our second pick :lol he's an upgrade on Jackson and Thomas.
You don't even think hes worth a 2nd rounder, you think one of norths best inside mids this season is worth batch or a pick 40+ :help so probably best to agree to disagree
100% right! I would not give up our second round pick for him. 3rd rounder is about right for a bloke that has had one decent season.
By the way, you said in your original post a pick around 20 would be about right for him. At pick 20 that would be a late first rounder, surly you don't think he is worth a first rounder??
I said 20ish, a second rounder given that 1st rounders end at 18. An early to mid second rounder is about market rate for him - imo.
With compo picks, pick 20 is still first round. :whistle
I edited my quote to clear it up and spell it out for you as funnily enough I knew you would be a literal smartarse in true bt tradition, but you still went fishing :lol
I might be a smartarse but at least I would be man enough to admit I got it wrong. Only a flog would try and turn it around like you have just done. You make sense most of the time but as soon as someone challenged you you resort to insults.
Got what wrong? I have never had a problem admitting I am wrong both on this forum and in everyday life. As far as Im aware frawley is the only likely compensation so I assume 20 and beyond is second round, reasonable assumption I would've thought?? I respect peoples right to their own opinion and was/am happy to agree to disagree on this given how different our views are, but I don't think there's any need to be so literal about it. Pretty sure most people would understand what I meant by pick 20ish and Im tipping its not "so you would give up a 1st rounder TM??" or "TM is excited!" comeon.. :)
anyhow I don't think I was resorting to insults, but I apologise for calling you a literal smartarse, I'll replace that with baiting me (and doing a good job) :lol
You said "pick around 20", not 20ish.
I know I'm taking that literally but that's how most people take what they read. I just didn't agree and asked the question.
Anyway no big deal if you think he is worth that. :thumbsup I just don't think he is.
All good.
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Big Tone vs Tony Montana !
Mafia vs Coumbian drug Cartlel warlord.
Sounds like the underworld war of the century.
:police:
I'm breaking out the popcorn for this one.
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Back to the topic ppl.
Jon Ralph on SEN just said Richmond is very much in the running for Greenwood as he's put off contract talks and that pick 11 would get Greenwood to Richmond.
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Pick 11? gtfo
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Back to the topic ppl.
Jon Ralph on SEN just said Richmond is very much in the running for Greenwood as he's put off contract talks and that pick 11 would get Greenwood to Richmond.
lmao would rival pick 19 for sanchez
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Greenwood would be a good fit IMO but not for pick 11, we cant trade that pick, give them a second rounder with a player.
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Greenwood would be a good fit IMO but not for pick 11, we cant trade that pick, give them a second rounder with a player.
2nd rounder no player. They can get stuffed cos Greenwood has done stuff all
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Greenwood has at least had a consistent year. Will be interesting to see how he polls in the B&F.
I'd happily throw that pick 11 at Dylan Shiel.
Pick 31 should be enough for Greenwood.
And our 3rd rounder should snag Lowden. Not like he's done anything.
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If we trade pick 11 for Levi Greenwood the club can get stuffed and I will be cancelling my membership.
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Agreed pick 11 for Shiel absolutely but not for Greenwood. 2nd rounder at best. I wonder if Greenwood and Currie might be an option. He's doing nothing with Goldstein ruling the roost.
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If we trade pick 11 for Levi Greenwood the club can get stuffed and I will be cancelling my membership.
god it itll be funny if they do that
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yeah he was terrible that day - to those that have seen a lot more of him - is he worth our first round pick?
Yes. Quick player who, without having the actual stats, could run 100m in the low 11 seconds mark or even better. Has a very nice long kick and is really strong. In his juniors he used to be able to take his taggers forward if he was getting beat and smack on a few goals so it'd be interesting to see if he could go forward at AFL level.
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Barrett tonight - North chasing Higgins and Waite has left Greenwood, who finished 3rd in their B&F, out of contract and open to interest not just from Richmond but also Collingwood and others. Barrett expects Greenwood to stay but North didn't expect this.
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North's Head of Football Geoff Walsh:
"We've spoken with Levi Greenwood's management, he had a great year, he's a player we don't want to lose. I think importantly Levi loves playing here, he's valued here enormously. The next 48-72 hours is important to come to terms with Greenwood. We don't think we're far away. We understand the attention in the market. We haven't yet been able to satisfy yet him or his management with a contract. We'll endeavour to keep working on that."
https://twitter.com/traderadio
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Give him a few k more Norf cant match
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Yeah agree, FFS, North are getting Waite and someone else, how much money do they have...
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They've only been paying 95, will be 100% if they match what we re offering :shh
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Richmond, Western Bulldogs and Collingwood have contacted Levi Greenwood's management with offers according to SEN.
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Damien Barrett has said "If the Roos lose Greenwood on the back of the Higgins move, then it's a dud move for the club."
When asked about what Greenwood would be worth on the open market, Barrett said "I wouldn't have him in the 20's (pick)" however Terry Wallace said that Greenwood was "Mid 20's".
https://www.facebook.com/AFLSeasonAndOffSeasonNews
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Collingwood gagf. Actually I think Collingwood can make a bigger offer than us
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Cmon Tigers, show a bit of aggression for a change.
Get him to Punt road, surely we would be more appealing than the other two. The Pies are a shambles and the Dogs.....well...
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Apparantly when the Pies came in with and offer to Greenwood we pooped our pants and left the building thinking that the 80s bidding war was about to restart
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Apparantly when the Pies came in with and offer to Greenwood we pooped our pants and left the building thinking that the 80s bidding war was about to restart
:lol
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Apparantly when the Pies came in with and offer to Greenwood we pooped our pants and left the building thinking that the 80s bidding war was about to restart
youd offer a player that's played 74 games in 7 years a 4 year deal ::), cant have that , bad management :shh
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Apparantly when the Pies came in with and offer to Greenwood we pooped our pants and left the building thinking that the 80s bidding war was about to restart
youd offer a player that's played 74 games in 7 years a 4 year deal ::), cant have that , bad management :shh
true.
3 year deals to hacks like hampson and cripples like knights are much better
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Collingwood and the Western Bulldogs have made strong plays for out-of-contract North Melbourne midfielder Levi Greenwood, who is weighing up his future this weekend.
Richmond had also expressed some mild interest in Greenwood, but confirmed on Friday that it was not aggressively pursuing him.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/collingwood-magpies/collingwood-bulldogs-push-for-levi-greenwood-20141003-10q5mh.html
BF is claiming our contract offer to Greenwood is the highest.
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So Greenwood finished equal second in the NM B&F, one vote shy of first. Also took out the McCartney Jumper Award voted for by North's players, and the Blackwoods Supporters' Player of the Year award.
Surely worth a proper talking to...
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So Greenwood finished equal second in the NM B&F, one vote shy of first. Also took out the McCartney Jumper Award voted for by North's players, and the Blackwoods Supporters' Player of the Year award.
Surely worth a proper talking to...
:yep You would think so wouldn't you, but not our club...
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Perhaps we don't want to play a game with his manager in driving his contract $ up with North.
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So Greenwood finished equal second in the NM B&F, one vote shy of first. Also took out the McCartney Jumper Award voted for by North's players, and the Blackwoods Supporters' Player of the Year award.
Surely worth a proper talking to...
:yep You would think so wouldn't you, but not our club...
It's mind boggling
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So Greenwood finished equal second in the NM B&F, one vote shy of first. Also took out the McCartney Jumper Award voted for by North's players, and the Blackwoods Supporters' Player of the Year award.
Surely worth a proper talking to...
:yep You would think so wouldn't you, but not our club...
It's mind boggling
What is it brains, all too much for you to comment on properly AGAIN?? Do you honestly think we shouldn't be talking to him???
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NORTH Melbourne coach Brad Scott says the Kangaroos have increased the value and length of their contract offer to Levi Greenwood as the damaging midfielder weighs up rival deals.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/north-melbourne-increases-value-and-length-of-contract-offer-to-levi-greenwood/story-fndv8rij-1227079983193
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^^^
And that will be enough then, he wont leave now. :-\
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Just driving up his price. Yesss good stuff Tiges :clapping
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Just quietly, this reeks of Nahas' 2011 season. One good season then dropped off afterwards.
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Lol brad scott is a tosser. You don't go into that kind of detail with the media, Dan Richo would never do that, he's as a secretive as Tibetan monk from Lhasa, don't worry about that :shh
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Off to the pies it seems if anyone
Dan Richo keeping all the money that's left for our 3 stars coming out contract and for the next round of spuds coming into the club
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how much have richmond offered him, how much have collingwood offered him and how much would you offer him?
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I'd start at $1mil/3 years. See if that's anywhere near the mark.
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I wouldn't be offering Greenwpod much.
I'm not completely convinced he can play! Yes he's had an ok year but so did Daniel Jackson last season. Only 52 games in 6 years with 22 of those this season. IMO his stats don't warrant paying big money for.
If he wants to come to us then let it happen but let's not get caught up in a bidding war over a player who's yet to proove anything.
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I wouldn't be offering Greenwpod much.
I'm not completely convinced he can play! Yes he's had an ok year but so did Daniel Jackson last season. Only 52 games in 6 years with 22 of those this season. IMO his stats don't warrant paying big money for.
If he wants to come to us then let it happen but let's not get caught up in a bidding war over a player who's yet to proove anything.
List needs to improve, especially in the midfield where duds like Grigg are getting a game. We could always offer a guy like Dangerfield $6 million for 5 years, or for a third of that yearly cost you could get a bloke like Greenwood who has finally shrugged off his injury issues and had a great season.
Do you think our current list has the potential to win a flag? Otherwise, who should we be chasing to improve the list, and how much should be be looking to spend on them?
Honestly we're talking $300-400k/year max. It's not exactly a high price. You want a superstar you need to pay easily $500-600k/year for a cheapish one, and $700-1.2+year for a big name.
If North pays Higgins $400k/year surely we could throw $300-400k/year at a bloke like Greenwood.
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less greenwood more shiel
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Let dogs and pies battle it out and pay overs for Greenwood and snatch Howlett instead.
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I wouldn't be offering Greenwpod much.
I'm not completely convinced he can play! Yes he's had an ok year but so did Daniel Jackson last season. Only 52 games in 6 years with 22 of those this season. IMO his stats don't warrant paying big money for.
If he wants to come to us then let it happen but let's not get caught up in a bidding war over a player who's yet to proove anything.
List needs to improve, especially in the midfield where duds like Grigg are getting a game. We could always offer a guy like Dangerfield $6 million for 5 years, or for a third of that yearly cost you could get a bloke like Greenwood who has finally shrugged off his injury issues and had a great season.
Do you think our current list has the potential to win a flag? Otherwise, who should we be chasing to improve the list, and how much should be be looking to spend on them?
Honestly we're talking $300-400k/year max. It's not exactly a high price. You want a superstar you need to pay easily $500-600k/year for a cheapish one, and $700-1.2+year for a big name.
If North pays Higgins $400k/year surely we could throw $300-400k/year at a bloke like Greenwood.
Your missing my point. I'd be happy to take Greenwood but not for overs.
All I'm saying is lets not get caught up in a bidding war with Collingwood over a 26yo who in reality for one reason or another has only played 50 games.
If Howlett is on the table then he is the exact player type we need to improve out list.
He is quick, can play both inside and out and has a great kick. If I were Richmond I'd be doing my darndest to get him to Tiger land😉
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I think Carlton are circling Howlett. Will surely start with their second pick so we might have to look at something like second round + someone like Elton? Would cost a bit but if you could get him in and still have our first pick to have a dip in the draft we'd be laughing as he would immediately improve the side.
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Is that Howlett from the bombres?
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Yes that Howlett. Battler IMO, nothing more.
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Id prefer Greenwood tbh, Howlett has some talent and a big leap for his size but from what ive seen of him, he doesn't get the ball anywhere near enough, nor does he kick many goals. Good as a defensive fwd but can do better. Of course he did have a career best game against us not too long ago so lock it in eddie, he'll be a tiger.
As long as we don't pay overs Im all for getting another strong inside body to help out Miles and Cotch in the trenches. Like Andy said, 1 mill over 3 years is very reasonable for Greenwood imo, if we get outbid so be it. Howlett wouldnt be on my radar
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Howlett is poo
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Your missing my point. I'd be happy to take Greenwood but not for overs.
All I'm saying is lets not get caught up in a bidding war with Collingwood over a 26yo who in reality for one reason or another has only played 50 games.
If Howlett is on the table then he is the exact player type we need to improve out list.
He is quick, can play both inside and out and has a great kick. If I were Richmond I'd be doing my darndest to get him to Tiger land😉
Since comparo's are in atm, here Howlett VS Greenwood basic stats.
Howlett VS Greenwood
Age: 25 (21/10/88) 25 (19/02/89)
Height: 180cm 181cm
Weight: 80kg 87kg
Games total: 97 74
Goals total: 47 26
Games '14: 21 22
Goals '14: 12 16
Av DT points: 77 101
Av Disp: 15 25
Av Kicks: 9 15
Av HBalls: 7 10
Av Marks: 4 5
Av Tack: 6 4
Av I50: 3 4
Av: Reb50: 1 1
So Greenwood maybe isn't as quick by foot and is 2 tackles down on Howlett. He is far superior everywhere else IMO. Has had a much better year than Howlett. Far bigger body also, and we need inside mids badly. Chimp is brave but not big enough/strong enough. Miles is brace and tougher than Chimp, but still not big enough. Thomas is crap. Jackson retired.
Who are our inside mid options now?
Inside mids:
Chimp (not big/tough enough, plenty courageous though)
Miles (not big enough, but tough/courageous enough)
Thomas (slow/crap)
Foley (not big enough)
Conca (not big enough)
Outside mids:
Deledio
Martin
Edwards
Ellis
Grigg (crap)
I see a massive deficiency of skill and size in our inside mid group. Getting blokes like Greenwood and Shiel would free up guys like Chimp to go forward or outside.
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we will not be getting Dylan from GWS and that's a gurantee. Greeenwood still up in the air as much as people don't like to hear there are very strong rumours pointing to mitch yep that's right robinson hardwick loves tough guys know that kingy probably our only real bloke that would throw a few punches is gone we need someone in to fly the flag and he could be it and get him at a buy as well
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Howlett is a spud
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Yep lets load up the back line with Morris, Robinson and Batch, what a comedy of errors that would produce...FFS
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Yep lets load up the back line with Morris, Robinson, Newman and Batch, what a comedy of errors that would produce...FFS
sorry had to edit
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Can collingwood stuff off already stuffing filth
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Can collingwood stuff off already stuffing filth
Why? They're throwing all their coin away
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Let's not get caught up with a Greenwood after one alright season.
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I'd start at $1mil/3 years. See if that's anywhere near the mark.
Considering you'd probably have to offer a little extra than their worth to get them to come over that's probably reasonable amount per year but I don't think I'd offer him 3 years. One good year finally reeks of Shane Edwards and Dan Jackson.
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Yep lets load up the back line with Morris, Robinson, Newman and Batch, what a comedy of errors that would produce...FFS
sorry had to edit
:thumbsup
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SEN were saying they were hearing rumours that Greenwood wanted to go to Collingwood and that Richmond were now out of the running. We weren't winning to big highly in terms of $$$ for him whereas Collingwood are.
Pies' recruiter Derek Hines was just interviewed though and he said Levi hasn't given any indication of what he's doing.
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Mitch Cleary twitter:
"Levi Greenwood will announce his football future tomorrow. Away in Bali, will decide between North Melb, Coll & WBD. No offer from Richmond"
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch
SEN saying we aren't prepared to pay the money being asked.
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Well, at least we won't be paying overs! :thumbsup
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He's just not the type of player you'd splurge on after only one half decent season
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Good.
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39 minutes ago
Are the Tiges out of the Greenwood race? (if it was ever on)
Herald-Sun's Adam Baldwin
Richmond are still in the race, but Collingwood have offered a deal. An outside chance.
http://www.news.com.au/national/trade-whispers-the-latest-news-during-the-afls-trade-period/story-e6frfkp9-1227074447591
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Collingwood just target whoever we do in recent years
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Glad we're not getting into a bidding war, pity we won't be getting him, would've been very handy
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Nothing wrong with driving his price up.
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The game is lost.
They're not even specialist athletes.
Mercenaries is what they are.
Prostituting what little form they may have shown to the highest bidder.
Recruiting Gen Y or I limp in this free agency environment will only perpetuate their
inflated sense of worth.
AFL footballers are idiots.
Give everyone a base of 120k (what they MAY make one day if they had have stayed plumbers) with performance based incentive.
Redneck skippie shitmen.
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The game is lost.
They're not even specialist athletes.
Mercenaries is what they are.
Prostituting what little form they may have shown to the highest bidder.
Recruiting Gen Y or I limps in this free agency environment will only perpetuate their
inflated sense of worth.
AFL footballers are idiots.
Give everyone a base of 120k (what they MAY make one day if they had have stayed plumbers) with performance based incentive.
Redneck skippie poomen.
So if you made say $80,000/year in your job and another company offered you a longer term of security at a wage of $100-110,000 you'd say 'no, I'm not a mercenary!'?
Mate it's a game yes but also a job for these blokes. Some of them have little employability post football and need to make the most of it while they can EG Matty White.
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Andy this bloke gave nothing to his club for how many years then all of a sudden in the final year produces his best footy.
brackets spot on.
stuff him.
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I thought he only started to look better after North started to get their full midfield on the park at the same time which was the second half of the season.
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Andy this bloke gave nothing to his club for how many years then all of a sudden in the final year produces his best footy.
brackets spot on.
stuff him.
You pay for good players.
Good form warrants better money and longer contracts. For example: Jack Riewoldt after bagging 78 goals in his BREAKOUT SEASON.
So were we wrong to give Jack a payrise? No. Otherwise somebody else would pay him what he's worth.
Pretty simple. Put your silly emotions aside. It's basic business. You guys couldn't manage a team to save you lives LOL.
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Andy this bloke gave nothing to his club for how many years then all of a sudden in the final year produces his best footy.
brackets spot on.
stuff him.
You pay for good players.
Good form warrants better money and longer contracts. For example: Jack Riewoldt after bagging 78 goals in his BREAKOUT SEASON.
So were we wrong to give Jack a payrise? No. Otherwise somebody else would pay him what he's worth.
Pretty simple. Put your silly emotions aside. It's basic business. You guys couldn't manage a team to save you lives LOL.
So paying 400k a year to a player who has proven nothing is good team management??
He's had one good year, just like Jackson did last year, it means nothing. Let Collingwood take the risk , pass unless we can get him for way less (not likely though)
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Never suggested $400k/year but I think $1 million over three years would be a very reasonable offer for a bloke who just missed out on the B&F in a prelim team by one vote.
You wanna wait until a bloke has three or more years of consistent A grade footy behind him? Guess what, you won't land a player like that. We throw money at chumps like Chaplin, Knights and Hampson who couldn't hold a candle to a bloke like Greenwood.
This is one of our biggest problems with our list management. People want good players for SFA. Don't want to pay to lure blokes like Taylor Adams from last year. So teams like Collingwood and Geelong, who chase good players and offer them good money, clean us out and we end up with the crumbs.
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Hang on, the whole argument here is about paying overs for a player who has played 50 games in 6 years and now your agreeing with me?? Collingwood have put $400k on the table, I'm saying its to much and I'm wrapped we're not caught up in such a bidding war.
If Greenwood A. Wanted to come to us. and B. accepted a deal that's more around his worth ($300 to $350k tops IMO) then I'd take him in a heart beat. At the end of the day we would still have to satisfy North with a reasonable trade, this opens another can of worms of what's he worth in that respect?
Again a late second round pick would be all I'd be parting with probably throw in a Dea or a Arnot to sweeten the deal but that would the tops. You wouldn't part with pick 12 in a million years.
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Nah I'm mostly responding to brackets for having a dig at players for whoring themselves out, and for people suggesting we shouldn't offer money to players who have only played 1 solid year on the grounds that if you wait too long you will simply miss out to a team who is prepared to pay.
Yeah I think $400k is over, but I'm saying I have no issue making a play for a dude who has played just 77 games etc
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Pies offering 400k for 4 years - Greenwood.
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Pies offering 400k for 4 years - Greenwood.
Link please or it gets removed
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Would give him 420
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Pies offering 400k for 4 years - Greenwood.
Link please or it gets removed
SEN.
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Pies offering 400k for 4 years - Greenwood.
This is so yesterday's news ::)
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SEN, official, Greenwood has just requested a trade to Collingwood, 4 year deal.
FFS, well done Tiges, if we aren't getting beaten by the Pies on field they are beating us off field!!!!
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Pies offering 400k for 4 years - Greenwood.
Link please or it gets removed
SEN.
Also Brett Anderson from Inside Football on twitter:
Greenwood deal with Pies expected to be 4 years @ $400k. A no-brainer really. #AFLTrades
https://twitter.com/BrettAndersonIF
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SEN, official, Greenwood has just requested a trade to Collingwood, 4 year deal.
FFS, well done Tiges, if we aren't getting beaten by the Pies on field they are beating us off field!!!!
Seriously, $400k for a 26yo with only 50 games under his belt.
C'mon Wat, not even your that stupid!
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Brett Anderson @BrettAndersonIF · 4m4 minutes ago
Greenwood deal with Pies expected to be 4 years @ $400k. A no-brainer really. #AFLTrades
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It's funny that half way through the year North offered him 1 year at $250k with a number of trigger points. What a difference 10 games make!
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SEN, official, Greenwood has just requested a trade to Collingwood, 4 year deal.
FFS, well done Tiges, if we aren't getting beaten by the Pies on field they are beating us off field!!!!
Seriously, $400k for a 26yo with only 50 games under his belt.
C'mon Wat, not even your that stupid!
Wonder if you will saty the same when he has 150 games and a premiership under his belt and we are still battling.....picking up 29 year olds on one year deals... :wallywink
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SEN, official, Greenwood has just requested a trade to Collingwood, 4 year deal.
FFS, well done Tiges, if we aren't getting beaten by the Pies on field they are beating us off field!!!!
Loui we were that stupid if you remember the names of hampson and knights
TBH if they hadnt stuffed up with hampson, thomas, cripple knights and all these other hacks then maybe we could have offered 400k for greenwood or another player
does it really surprise you how stuffin stupid we are as a football club WAT.
winderlich, petterd, thomas, knights, edwards, grigg, hampson,
gee whiz what a group we are assembling at punt road for a tilt at a flag.
dimwit saving his job by getting us finishing around 8th again only to get flogged while other clubs are swoooping on pick 2's
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SEN, official, Greenwood has just requested a trade to Collingwood, 4 year deal.
FFS, well done Tiges, if we aren't getting beaten by the Pies on field they are beating us off field!!!!
Loui we were that stupid if you remember the names of hampson and knights
TBH if they hadnt stuffed up with hampson, thomas, cripple knights and all these other hacks then maybe we could have offered 400k for greenwood or another player
does it really surprise you how stuffin stupid we are as a football club WAT.
winderlich, petterd, thomas, knights, edwards, grigg, hampson,
gee whiz what a group we are assembling at punt road for a tilt at a flag.
dimwit saving his job by getting us finishing around 8th again only to get flogged while other clubs are swoooping on pick 2's
That pretty well sums up my thought 100%.. :clapping
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woohoooo that's about the best thing Richmond have done this trade year so far not wasted money on him overrated I didn't want another Jordan McMahon at our club.....
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SEN, official, Greenwood has just requested a trade to Collingwood, 4 year deal.
FFS, well done Tiges, if we aren't getting beaten by the Pies on field they are beating us off field!!!!
Seriously, $400k for a 26yo with only 50 games under his belt.
C'mon Wat, not even your that stupid!
Wonder if you will saty the same when he has 150 games and a premiership under his belt and we are still battling.....picking up 29 year olds on one year deals... :wallywink
Geeez, all I'm saying is for once we haven't paid overs for a un proven dud!!
A trade still has to be struck with Collingwood now, he's not a free agent. what pick or player ontop of the 400k would you be willing to part with??
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Gartlett requests trade to Melbourne LOL. We could've had him but we are getting Winserlich
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Gartlett requests trade to Melbourne LOL. We could've had him but we are getting Winserlich
what are you complaining for according to people at the club they ask themselves everyday the hard questions about how they can improve the club. So don't worry about it its all under control pmsl.
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SEN, official, Greenwood has just requested a trade to Collingwood, 4 year deal.
FFS, well done Tiges, if we aren't getting beaten by the Pies on field they are beating us off field!!!!
Loui we were that stupid if you remember the names of hampson and knights
TBH if they hadnt stuffed up with hampson, thomas, cripple knights and all these other hacks then maybe we could have offered 400k for greenwood or another player
does it really surprise you how stuffin stupid we are as a football club WAT.
winderlich, petterd, thomas, knights, edwards, grigg, hampson,
gee whiz what a group we are assembling at punt road for a tilt at a flag.
dimwit saving his job by getting us finishing around 8th again only to get flogged while other clubs are swoooping on pick 2's
FFS Angus, all you ever post is sh/7 about Hampson.. Get over it mate. We made a mistake do we have to relive it every time you turn on your computer!
I'm glad we didn't get Greenwood but i still want us to have a crack during trade time.
We have said for years now we are gearing up for a decent crack, they may just surprise us. Don't hold your breath but surely we shouldn't just sit back because we have made mistakes before.
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Gartlett requests trade to Melbourne LOL. We could've had him but we are getting Winserlich
Would have been a good pick up for us. But our holier than holly attitude doesn't allow us to pick up guys that have made a mistake outside of footy. Get your head out of your a$$ Tigers!
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I put my balls on the line and publicly hoped we would get him. Comparing him to Jackson is one big LOL! Watch his career and ask whther you will prefer the likes of Petterd, Knights, Grigg, Thomas, Newman et al over the next several years.
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SEN, official, Greenwood has just requested a trade to Collingwood, 4 year deal.
FFS, well done Tiges, if we aren't getting beaten by the Pies on field they are beating us off field!!!!
Seriously, $400k for a 26yo with only 50 games under his belt.
C'mon Wat, not even your that stupid!
74 games, still 25 years years old for another 4 months.
However I agree $400k is probably overs, but where I'm coming from is that if we don't pay overs for a guy like Greenwood then we're only going to attract potatoes.
Would be money well spent compared to the likes of Grigg, Hampson, Knights etc.
Anyway. Let's just wait for everybody to trade the guns. Malceski to GC, Ryder to Port, Beams to Bris etc etc. And when the dust has settled lets just see who's left unwanted. Because God forbid we pay anybody $50-100k more than they're worth...
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Like you mentioned earlier Andy, a lot of posters have no idea how it works in the real world
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SEN, official, Greenwood has just requested a trade to Collingwood, 4 year deal.
FFS, well done Tiges, if we aren't getting beaten by the Pies on field they are beating us off field!!!!
Seriously, $400k for a 26yo with only 50 games under his belt.
C'mon Wat, not even your that stupid!
And FWIW a bloke like Anthony Miles will probably be the same age as Greenwood with as many games. Your stats mean very little.
With all due respect it's this 'no pay $50k over your worth' attitude that has led to RFC playing stuffing moneyball in the first place, targeting unwanted chumps like Thomas, Petterd, Knights, Hampson, Banfield, Gordon etc.
Serviceable examples include Grigg (initially but no longer), Houli (sometimes) and Miles (but omg he's only produced half a decent season).
Need to start paying money for good players or we will always be mediocre just rotating the bottom half of our list with spuds.
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easy mate miles has really only had half a season greenwood has had one break out season prior to that he was in and out of the north team like a yo-yo..
agree on the likes of grigg certainly time up, hampson well we cant do anything there when you sign him up for 3 years, banfield was a rookie no longer with us, pettard well the jury is still out with him doubt hed get a game anywhere else same as Thomas will struggle to play next year will be to slow, Gordon next year will tell me but also sososo..
really mate greenwood is not that good :thumbsup
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greenwoods manager liam pickering on sen before said north had a contract in place 2 months ago which we were happy about but his last 2 months he was worth more then that contract so a player has 2 months of good footy and then expect to get another 100k+ are u kidding yourself u run around for 2 hours a week playing footy the rest is training and reading books and probably xbox games.. if I earned 300k a year id be taking home 20k after tax a month please if yah cant live off that get a grip
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easy mate miles has really only had half a season greenwood has had one break out season prior to that he was in and out of the north team like a yo-yo..
agree on the likes of grigg certainly time up, hampson well we cant do anything there when you sign him up for 3 years, banfield was a rookie no longer with us, pettard well the jury is still out with him doubt hed get a game anywhere else same as Thomas will struggle to play next year will be to slow, Gordon next year will tell me but also sososo..
really mate greenwood is not that good :thumbsup
That's exactly what I said in my previous post - prior to that Miles was about as in-favour as Greenwood.
As for Greenwood, well he's shown he can produce good football and Collingwood has taken it upon themselves to pounce on a bloke and pay a little bit over to get him to their team. The same way they did offering money to Taylor Adams last year when we were too poo scared to try and lure him to us with a little extra cash.
Honestly you blokes would sink a team if you managed a list. Wait til everybody has 3 consecutive seasons of football and then offer them exactly what they're worth. Good players will be either 1. taken by other clubs who are more aggressive than us or 2. laughing at us for offering them too little money to defect from their current team to us.
So like I said. Wait til the guns have all moved. Then we'll just pick amongst the crap left over. See if we can't unearth another Thomas or whatever whilst the likes of Taylor Adams and Levi Greenwood pass us by.
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greenwoods manager liam pickering on sen before said north had a contract in place 2 months ago which we were happy about but his last 2 months he was worth more then that contract so a player has 2 months of good footy and then expect to get another 100k+ are u kidding yourself u run around for 2 hours a week playing footy the rest is training and reading books and probably xbox games.. if I earned 300k a year id be taking home 20k after tax a month please if yah cant live off that get a grip
Actually from $80-180,000 you're losing 37.5 cents per dollar and from 180,000+ you're losing about 45 cents per dollar.
So if you're making $300,000/year you'll only clear about $15,000/month.
This guy just played his best season. He has 5 years, maybe 6-7 max left in his career. And you wanna point the finger at him for looking out for number 1? As if you wouldn't. Please take yourself and your 'holier than thou'/superior moral complex elsewhere. If you're got a family to provide for you'd take the extra $100,000/year in a heartbeat.
He's making the best of his limited opportunities whilst he still can. Matty White did the same. So did Crameri.
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well considering they only probably work 10 months out of the year they would be taking home at least 20k.... u cant live off 20k then ur got issues mate anyway not hear to get into a childish email battle you have ur opinon I have mine at the end of the day we barrack for the tigers and in all honesty id have Dylan shields anyday of the week his a gun in a side that is average come on...
and greenwood is not worth $400k... taylor adams was average this year
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well considering they only probably work 10 months out of the year they would be taking home at least 20k.... u cant live off 20k then ur got issues mate anyway not hear to get into a childish email battle you have ur opinon I have mine at the end of the day we barrack for the tigers and in all honesty id have Dylan shields anyday of the week his a gun in a side that is average come on...
and greenwood is not worth $400k... taylor adams was average this year
Who, at any point in this thread, suggested Greenwood was going to Collingwood because he didn't think he could live off North's offer of $300,000?
Nobody.
Like I said. He will play another 5 years or so. He wants to make the most of it while he can. Can you blame him?
Or should we call Gary Jr and Lance Franklin, and suggest that since I can live off $49,000/year (the year I bought my house) that they should come play for Richmond at the minimum wage?
I don't want an 'email battle' but your argument is ridiculous.
There was an opportunity to grab a good player. Collingwood took it. We didn't. Next potato please.
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Taylor Adams is a hack who cannot kick. No wonder we didn't want him. Greenwood's an even worse kick so all this is really not surprising.
Jono O'Rourke on the other hand I cannot quite work out why we are not into him??
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These are inside mids. Their job is to get it to the outside mids. Not deliver I50.
And what has O'Rouke achieved so far that gives you a tingle in the nether regions? Nothing. Not yet. So how much money would you offer him?
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Greenwood to Collingwood 2015, Martin to Collingwood 2016.
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These are inside mids. Their job is to get it to the outside mids. Not deliver I50.
Then why does everyone have a problem with Matt Thomas?
Inside mids need to have good skills too nowadays.
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CAUSE MATT THOMAS IS VERY SLOW AND THAT WAS FOUND OUT IN THE LATTER PART OF THE SEASON :thumbsup
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CAUSE MATT THOMAS IS VERY SLOW AND THAT WAS FOUND OUT IN THE LATTER PART OF THE SEASON :thumbsup
Yes, slow and unskilled.
It ain't enough just to be a ball winner is my point. Matt Thomas is my example.
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CAUSE MATT THOMAS IS VERY SLOW AND THAT WAS FOUND OUT IN THE LATTER PART OF THE SEASON :thumbsup
Hang on, isn't Thomas an inside mid??
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CAUSE MATT THOMAS IS VERY SLOW AND THAT WAS FOUND OUT IN THE LATTER PART OF THE SEASON :thumbsup
Yes, slow and unskilled.
It ain't enough just to be a ball winner is my point. Matt Thomas is my example.
Thomas's weaknesses are significant. His kicking is about as bad as Ive seen since kellaway. Is there a worse kick in the afl? I noticed in quite a few games that Thomas was invariably left in space when he had the ball and was forced to kick, teams cottoned on pretty quick.
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CAUSE MATT THOMAS IS VERY SLOW AND THAT WAS FOUND OUT IN THE LATTER PART OF THE SEASON :thumbsup
Yes, slow and unskilled.
It ain't enough just to be a ball winner is my point. Matt Thomas is my example.
Thomas's weaknesses are significant. His kicking is about as bad as Ive seen since kellaway. Is there a worse kick in the afl? I noticed in quite a few games that Thomas was invariably left in space when he had the ball and was forced to kick, teams cottoned on pretty quick.
Yes, that is why to say that the job if inside mids is 'to get it to the outside mids' is too simplistic. You cant just be wrecking ball in modern football. You've got to have some skills as well otherwise you are a liability. That is my point, no more no less.
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CAUSE MATT THOMAS IS VERY SLOW AND THAT WAS FOUND OUT IN THE LATTER PART OF THE SEASON :thumbsup
Yes, slow and unskilled.
It ain't enough just to be a ball winner is my point. Matt Thomas is my example.
Thomas's weaknesses are significant. His kicking is about as bad as Ive seen since kellaway. Is there a worse kick in the afl? I noticed in quite a few games that Thomas was invariably left in space when he had the ball and was forced to kick, teams cottoned on pretty quick.
Yes, that is why to say that the job if inside mids is 'to get it to the outside mids' is too simplistic. You cant just be wrecking ball in modern football. You've got to have some skills as well otherwise you are a liability. That is my point, no more no less.
So you're saying Greenwood is no better than Thomas? Bc whilst Andy said he's an inside mid, I think we can all agree he's got a fair bit more polish than Thomas!
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CAUSE MATT THOMAS IS VERY SLOW AND THAT WAS FOUND OUT IN THE LATTER PART OF THE SEASON :thumbsup
Yes, slow and unskilled.
It ain't enough just to be a ball winner is my point. Matt Thomas is my example.
Thomas's weaknesses are significant. His kicking is about as bad as Ive seen since kellaway. Is there a worse kick in the afl? I noticed in quite a few games that Thomas was invariably left in space when he had the ball and was forced to kick, teams cottoned on pretty quick.
Yes, that is why to say that the job if inside mids is 'to get it to the outside mids' is too simplistic. You cant just be wrecking ball in modern football. You've got to have some skills as well otherwise you are a liability. That is my point, no more no less.
So you're saying Greenwood is no better than Thomas? Bc whilst Andy said he's an inside mid, I think we can all agree he's got a fair bit more polish than Thomas!
No....Greenwood is clearly better, and more polished. I never compared the two. I was responding to Andy's comment 'These are inside mids. Their job is to get it to the outside mids. Not deliver I50'
My post above explains what my point was pretty clearly. I don't think I need to go over it again. Lets move on.
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TM is right.
My point is that Greenwood > Thomas.
He'll, even Miles ain't a great kick.
You want fellas like Cotchin, Deledio, Martin and Riewoldt kicking inside the F50.
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TM is right.
My point is that Greenwood > Thomas.
He'll, even Miles ain't a great kick.
You want fellas like Cotchin, Deledio, Martin and Riewoldt kicking inside the F50.
Miles is a beautiful kick mate. Take another look, he really surprised me with his kicking. Can kick it a long way too for a tiny bloke.
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does anyone know mitch hallahans contract status. if we want to go after an inside mid this is the bloke id chase.
just turned 22 has done a fantastic apprenticship and can really play. the next anthony miles like impact on the comp if you ask me.
shame about greenwood. dont think hes a one yr wonder imo hes been tracking in the right dirction in particular the last two yrs.
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does anyone know mitch hallahans contract status. if we want to go after an inside mid this is the bloke id chase.
just turned 22 has done a fantastic apprenticship and can really play. the next anthony miles like impact on the comp if you ask me.
shame about greenwood. dont think hes a one yr wonder imo hes been tracking in the right dirction in particular the last two yrs.
He is very good. Doubt he'd be out of contract though…..
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does anyone know mitch hallahans contract status. if we want to go after an inside mid this is the bloke id chase.
just turned 22 has done a fantastic apprenticship and can really play. the next anthony miles like impact on the comp if you ask me.
shame about greenwood. dont think hes a one yr wonder imo hes been tracking in the right dirction in particular the last two yrs.
Im pretty sure Graham Wright said on Friday ??, he is contracted after a club asked the question
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Daniel Jackson, 27 years of age wins our B&F.
The club would have been torn apart if we'd offered him a 4 year $400k contract on the back of that!!
Yet people are screaming the club down for not offering it to a guy nearly the same age, with half the amount of games who has been a plodder at best until this season.
I look forward to the club offering Arnot a similar contract after his break out season in 2-3 years from now....
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Daniel Jackson, 27 years of age wins our B&F.
The club would have been torn apart if we'd offered him a 4 year $400k contract on the back of that!!
Yet people are screaming the club down for not offering it to a guy nearly the same age, with half the amount of games who has been a plodder at best until this season.
I look forward to the club offering Arnot a similar contract after his break out season in 2-3 years from now....
And they still have to offer a pick or player for him to get to the pies….. :whistle
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Shiel is the only one I want too hear about, but that wouldnt create such amusement now would it.
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Shiel is the only one I want too hear about, but that wouldnt create such amusement now would it.
Very true CUB. Although some here knock him, I think he is second only to WHE in their team of mids.
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close thread neither are coming here pointless discussing
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14 pages of poo, hopes and in a sense dreams.
All amount to absolutely zero.
Don't know if it says more about the false rumours circulated at this time of year, what we choose to eat up as fans, or club incompetence.
Close thread
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It seems Greenwood is this year's Dusty saga (i.e. the manager is the one who wants his client to move to another club when the player actually wants to stay.)
"Can now confirm that Greenwood is considering staying."
"My understanding is that he was reluctant to leave, even after "poor" offers from the Kangas, but was encouraged to look elsewhere by manager."
https://twitter.com/timrosen35
Too bad Pies :laugh:.
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Norf fans saying he's as slow as a wet week and can't kick feeling silly
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It's seems Greenwood is this year's Dusty saga (i.e. the manager is the one who wants his client to move to another club when the player actually wants to stay.)
"Can now confirm that Greenwood is considering staying."
"My understanding is that he was reluctant to leave, even after "poor" offers from the Kangas, but was encouraged to look elsewhere by manager."
https://twitter.com/timrosen35
Too bad Pies :laugh:.
would much rather he go to pies
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I said close thread >:(
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He said close thread :banghead
Why do you fools keep stuffing posting after he calls it when the rest of us know it's unwritten site etiquette when someone says close thread it's effing done
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+1
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We should have a crack at Greenwood.
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We should have a crack at Greenwood.
Agree. Get it done Chucky.
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I hear he had a good year this year.
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I hear it's close thread time.
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Most likely rubbish but this was posted on BF:
Dylan Shiel reported at Punt Road, wants to go to Richmond.
Pick 12 and good faith the offer.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-free-agency-discussion-2014-part-ii-current-picks-12-33-52.1079644/page-23#post-35698299
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:pray
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oohhhhhhhhhhhhh come on with these rumours what Richmond have waited till Tuesday with the trade ending on Thursday please....
I hope ur right but im thinking no deal
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The journo on the Herald-Sun live-trade blog said he hasn't heard anything about Shiel & Richmond and that we would have to offer more than just pick 12 too.
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:pray
:pray :pray
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Grigg+12
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The journo on the Herald-Sun live-trade blog said he hasn't heard anything about Shiel & Richmond and that we would have to offer more than just pick 12 too.
We are. It says good faith is being thrown in too.
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The journo on the Herald-Sun live-trade blog said he hasn't heard anything about Shiel & Richmond and that we would have to offer more than just pick 12 too.
We are. It says good faith is being thrown in too.
:lol :clapping
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Jay Clark @ClarkyHeraldSun
The welcome mat is out at GWS. Come get our kids. Contracted or not.
Cameron (Coll), Treloar (Haw), Shiel (Rich), Smith (NM). Gettable.
http://www.news.com.au/national/afl-trades-ryan-griffen-traded-to-gws-for-tom-boyd/story-e6frfkp9-1227074447591
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What a load of poo.
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Cameron would look nice yellow and black
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Cameron would look nice yellow and black
...or Will Hoskin-Elliot.
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Cameron would look nice yellow and black
...or Will Hoskin-Elliot.
Yesssssssss!
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Jay Clark @ClarkyHeraldSun
The welcome mat is out at GWS. Come get our kids. Contracted or not.
Cameron (Coll), Treloar (Haw), Shiel (Rich), Smith (NM). Gettable.
http://www.news.com.au/national/afl-trades-ryan-griffen-traded-to-gws-for-tom-boyd/story-e6frfkp9-1227074447591
Pies pick 5 and sidebottom?
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Cameron would look nice yellow and black
...or Will Hoskin-Elliot.
Those two first came to my mind
WHE was born to play for Richmond
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Dylan Shiel has put off signing a new contract with GWS.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-15/first-things-first-for-giant
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Yep, will be in Yellow & Black in 2016. :thumbsup
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Yep, will be in Yellow & Black in 2016. :thumbsup
unless he breaks up with the mizz
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Yep, will be in Yellow & Black in 2016. :thumbsup
Dont mozz it mate
So Dylan and Taylor Walker?
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Yep, will be in Yellow & Black in 2016. :thumbsup
Dont mozz it mate
So Dylan and Taylor Walker?
Shiel & Cameron is what I'm hearing.
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Yep, will be in Yellow & Black in 2016. :thumbsup
Dont mozz it mate
So Dylan and Taylor Walker?
Shiel & Cameron is what I'm hearing.
Yep! :thumbsup It will come to be known as the whopper Shiel deal.
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:-[Cameron orgasmic
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Yep, will be in Yellow & Black in 2016. :thumbsup
Dont mozz it mate
So Dylan and Taylor Walker?
Shiel & Cameron is what I'm hearing.
that would be delish.
Anyone else heard this?
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Great, what do we give up for them? Too much most likely :whistle
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Great, what do we give up for them? Too much most likely :whistle
Gilligan Simon plus pick 4 in next years draft
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You think we will finish 4th last? Rather keep Gidieon :thumbsup
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Don't think there's much doubt our first pick next year is gone and we should probably be prepared to lose at least one of our best players. If it is only one player for those two though we'd still come out ahead....hell, Cameron alone would be worth it - the next Carey. If it was Cameron & Hoskin-Elliot I'd almost be prepared to give up two top players.
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Don't think there's much doubt our first pick next year is gone and we should probably be prepared to lose at least one of our best players. If it is only one player for those two though we'd still come out ahead....hell, Cameron alone would be worth it - the next Carey. If it was Cameron & Hoskin-Elliot I'd almost be prepared to give up two top players.
Yeah! Grigg and Chaplin! They are always in our best 22 so we will just have to sacrifice them to GWS! :lol
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:pray
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Yep, will be in Yellow & Black in 2016. :thumbsup
Dont mozz it mate
So Dylan and Taylor Walker?
Shiel & Cameron is what I'm hearing.
that would be delish.
Anyone else heard this?
I was told the same thing from my brother in law who was tolD so from a trainer at the club about 2 weeks ago. Didn't run with it here coz he didn't get back to me about his source, but now I have it.
Apparently 90% of the work is done on CAMERON
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:pray
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This sounds slightly ludicrous..
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lol no worries. This club couldnt score a root in a brothel let alone the shiell /cameron double
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lol no worries. This club couldnt score a root in a brothel let alone the shiell /cameron double
What if you are wrong? :shh
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lol no worries. This club couldnt score a root in a brothel let alone the shiell /cameron double
What if you are wrong? :shh
I will shout you all a root in a brothel if we land Cameron and Shiel - anything goes :cheers
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lol no worries. This club couldnt score a root in a brothel let alone the shiell /cameron double
What if you are wrong? :shh
I will shout you all a root in a brothel if we land Cameron and Shiel - anything goes :cheers
the one on punt rd ?
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lol no worries. This club couldnt score a root in a brothel let alone the shiell /cameron double
What if you are wrong? :shh
I won't be mate. Happy to have a wager on it too I'm that confident
I have zero confidence the club pulling that off. They are more likely to land Cameron Cloke than the jet from GWS
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lol no worries. This club couldnt score a root in a brothel let alone the shiell /cameron double
What if you are wrong? :shh
I will shout you all a root in a brothel if we land Cameron and Shiel - anything goes :cheers
Bookmarked! ;D
Frawley now getting another coaching gig at St Kilda suggests anything is possible in AFL no matter how unlikely it may seem.
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lol no worries. This club couldnt score a root in a brothel let alone the shiell /cameron double
What if you are wrong? :shh
I will shout you all a root in a brothel if we land Cameron and Shiel - anything goes :cheers
lol, ill settle for a cold beer next time we re playing golf brudder :thumbsup a generous offer but
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so.....to anybody that has any SOLID fact about these rumors -
Who told you ??
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anyone?
anything?
something?
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lol no worries. This club couldnt score a root in a brothel let alone the shiell /cameron double
What if you are wrong? :shh
I will shout you all a root in a brothel if we land Cameron and Shiel - anything goes :cheers
Bookmarked! ;D
Plot twist: TM is actually the brothel :shh
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lol no worries. This club couldnt score a root in a brothel let alone the shiell /cameron double
What if you are wrong? :shh
I will shout you all a root in a brothel if we land Cameron and Shiel - anything goes :cheers
Anything goes? Done. And if we land 1 of the 2 what do we get all get?
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lol no worries. This club couldnt score a root in a brothel let alone the shiell /cameron double
What if you are wrong? :shh
I will shout you all a root in a brothel if we land Cameron and Shiel - anything goes :cheers
Anything goes? Done. And if we land 1 of the 2 what do we get all get?
A bad case of crabs??
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lol no worries. This club couldnt score a root in a brothel let alone the shiell /cameron double
What if you are wrong? :shh
I will shout you all a root in a brothel if we land Cameron and Shiel - anything goes :cheers
Anything goes? Done. And if we land 1 of the 2 what do we get all get?
A bad case of crabs??
Would have thought at least a hand shandy
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anyone?
anything?
something?
:lol :thumbs its going to be one hell of a long year leading into the next trade and FA period.. ;D
Doesn't Sheil have a missus who's dad works at the club??? Something like that.
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Doesn't Shiel go out with Choco's daughter?
The guy would have been no.1 pick if he entered the following years draft as an 18yo.
^^^^ this.
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lol no worries. This club couldnt score a root in a brothel let alone the shiell /cameron double
What if you are wrong? :shh
I will shout you all a root in a brothel if we land Cameron and Shiel - anything goes :cheers
Or the clap :lol
Anything goes? Done. And if we land 1 of the 2 what do we get all get?
A bad case of crabs??
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lol no worries. This club couldnt score a root in a brothel let alone the shiell /cameron double
What if you are wrong? :shh
I will shout you all a root in a brothel if we land Cameron and Shiel - anything goes :cheers
Anything goes? Done. And if we land 1 of the 2 what do we get all get?
I don't deal with ifs I deal with facts
Facts are we won't be landing both these guys next year. Anyone happy for a side bet of a slab? Happy to put up. I'm tipping none of you blokes would esp the ones with the hot tip. Lmfao
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lol no worries. This club couldnt score a root in a brothel let alone the shiell /cameron double
What if you are wrong? :shh
I will shout you all a root in a brothel if we land Cameron and Shiel - anything goes :cheers
Anything goes? Done. And if we land 1 of the 2 what do we get all get?
I don't deal with ifs I deal with facts
Facts are we won't be landing both these guys next year. Anyone happy for a side bet of a slab? Happy to put up. I'm tipping none of you blokes would esp the ones with the hot tip. Lmfao
Angus all I can say which is fact from as direct a source as you can get is that one J Cameron is not happy at GWS. I'm pretty confident he will be moving on at the end of next season but where to is anyone's guess at this stage.
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Forget Tex Walker, he has just signed a 3 year deal!!
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lol no worries. This club couldnt score a root in a brothel let alone the shiell /cameron double
What if you are wrong? :shh
I will shout you all a root in a brothel if we land Cameron and Shiel - anything goes :cheers
Anything goes? Done. And if we land 1 of the 2 what do we get all get?
I don't deal with ifs I deal with facts
Facts are we won't be landing both these guys next year. Anyone happy for a side bet of a slab? Happy to put up. I'm tipping none of you blokes would esp the ones with the hot tip. Lmfao
No-one is saying its a 100% fact. We wouldn't know for sure. But to say its a fact we won't be landing them is also an unknown and not a fact at this point in time. Here is the situation:-
- Eat Em Alive had the same info independently around about the same time as I did. That aside....
- Both players are out of contract at the end of next season and want out.
- Both players want to return to play in Melbourne.
- Richmond have a huge amount of salary cap room and have acknowledged they will be going after some big names next year.
- Shiel has links to Richmond.
- A shipload of background work is being undertaken by the club on these players for a while.
So where does it sit? Nobody has signed, nobody knows. But based on the above, I reckon we are in the box seat to land one of them. Both is a possibility.
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A number of the Giants' prized youngsters – including Jeremy Cameron, Dylan Shiel, Stephen Coniglio and Adam Treloar – are out of contract at the end of next season.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-18/giants-lock-in-two-talls
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'Go home' factor a concern for Giants
With opposition clubs set to come hard to pry other well-regarded youngsters away from the club, including Adam Treloar, Dylan Shiel, Jonathon Patton and Jeremy Cameron, ...
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-29/go-home-concern-for-gws
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Sheil will be at Collingwood
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Allan went through the same difficulties keeping the Brisbane Lions' list together ahead of their premiership three-peat in the early 2000s.
He said the same rationale that served the Lions so well would be applied at the Giants.
"Every year I used to hear the same thing, 'Oh they're going to go home,'" Allan said.
"None of them went home. They all stayed and they all got well paid and that'll be the same thing here."
Except Little Beirut isn't sunny South-East Queensland and a couple of them have already gone home, Gubba Gubby Hey oldfellamelad.
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Sheil will be at Collingwood
Na didn't you hear the rumours Cameron and Shiels are sure things to come to tiger land next year
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Raid the F out of their list IMO.
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Sheil will be at Collingwood
Na didn't you hear the rumours Cameron and Shiels are sure things to come to tiger land next year
Will both be at pies ny
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ON THE COUCH (FOX FOOTY)
RE-SIGNING Dylan Shiel should be the GWS Giants’ No. 1 priority during the 2015 season, according to legendary Hawthorn goalkicker Jason Dunstall.
Shiel is out of contract at the end of the season and rival clubs, reportedly Richmond and Melbourne, in particular are keen to lure the star midfielder away from the Giants on a big deal.
The 22-year-old has had a tremendous start to the season, finishing with one goal from 28 disposals against St Kilda in Round 1 then three goals from 26 disposals against Melbourne on the weekend.
Dunstall said the Giants must ensure Shiel puts pen to paper imminently.
“This guy reaps class. He is class from head to toe,” Dunstall said.
“Very few left-footers look comfortable on the right. And boy has he got some gears and some poise.”
http://www.news.com.au/national/phil-walsh-on-adelaide-captaincy-gold-coast-and-carlton-slammed-essendon-praised-after-round-2-what-you-missed-on-tv-last-night/story-e6frfkp9-1227302655713
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we may well be interested in shiel but the real question should be is he interested in us.
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No, he s more interested in Melbourne :ROTFL
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Shiel is the most prominent of the four, given he possesses qualities all clubs yearn to see in their [Giants'] star midfielders.
Explosive pace from stoppages make him a hot prospect.
AFL.com.au understands Hawthorn, Richmond and Carlton have all expressed serious interest in Shiel – to be honest there wouldn't be a club that hasn't enquired – but he will not lead anyone on a merry dance.
When, or if, the time comes to talk, he is only expected to entertain offers from clubs he is genuinely contemplating joining.
The 22-year-old emerging star is studying, has settled in Sydney and the early performances of both the team and individual have been heartening enough to tilt sentiment towards him staying.
However industry sources suggest he could come with price tag of between $700,000 - $800,000 a year.
In his current form, his price is not getting any lower.
The other complication is what clubs would need to trade in order to secure him, however as experienced football managers know, deals get done.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-21/giants-list-challenge
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Will go to Hawthorn with the buddy money
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Will go to Hawthorn with the buddy money
Make up your mind, you earlier said he will be at Collingwood????????
It seems that you just say that he'll be anywhere other than Richmond, you nor I know what he will do
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Mrakovs team would have used a fair whack of the buddy money on Frawley any way.
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Victorian clubs are circling out of contract former Victorian and GWS Giants midfielder Dylan Shiel
Jon Ralph
Herald-Sun
April 30, 2015 9:00PM
DYLAN Shiel’s market value continues to skyrocket, with the Greater Western Sydney midfielder in no hurry to decide on his future at the club.
The GWS on-baller is out of contract at season’s end and being aggressively pursued by Victorian clubs given his impressive resume.
He is second in the AFL coaches award behind Fremantle’s Nathan Fyfe but the former Caulfield Grammar School student admits the pull of home remains.
He continues to tell the Giants he is not ready to talk about a deal, content to let his deal roll until later in the season.
He would perfectly fit Richmond’s needs if the former Carlton supporter did decide to return home, but it would take a huge package to compensate GWS.
His girlfriend’s father is Richmond development coach Mark Williams, yet every Victorian club has inquired about his availability.
The Tigers have significant cap space after missing out on several trade targets last year including Jack Trengove.
After taking five selections in last year’s draft they could easily sell to their members a trade which included a quality player and their first pick.
The 22-year-old lives in Coogee and is enjoying the Sydney lifestyle but said this month he would let the season play out without a decision on his future.
“At the moment I’m just looking forward to playing out the year. I’ll leave the negotiations to my manager and the Giants, but all good signs so far,” he said.
“I won’t lie, it’s always hard obviously with family down in Melbourne and friends but like any player you go through challenges.
“I feel like the club is really good at understanding the wellbeing of the players. Everyone has a really good lifestyle here at the club.”
Richmond has salary cap room for a player like Shiel and wants goalkicking midfielders, although he has kicked only 30 in his 54 games so far.
The Giants have been able to secure Jeremy Cameron and Devon Smith on new deals and believe team success will be a key factor in retaining their stars.
All of Shiel, Adam Treloar, Stephen Coniglio and Will Hoskin-Elliott are unsigned but believe team success is a massive part of their decision.
Hoskin-Eliott said last week his preference was to stay but would get some form up after a recent injury before considering a contract.
Shiel’s former teammate Tom Boyd was able to secure a $1 million-a-season contract that saw the Western Bulldogs give up captain Ryan Griffen and selection six.
It was seen as a game-changing trade yet underlines not only the bounty ahead of Shiel but the type of offer GWS would need if Shiel returned home.
GWS refused to comment yesterday on Shiel’s status
Coach Leon Cameron told the Herald Sun after last year’s draft he believed his stars would rebuff massive offers from Victorian clubs.
“If you have a really good culture and footy program and know where you want to go, success always overrides (huge offers),” he told the Herald Sun.
“Treloar, Cameron and Shiel came in as 17-year-olds and the loyalty they have shown in five years has been fantastic.
“I sometimes think we underestimate how loyal they have been. I am really confident when we continue our journey in 2015 and we are all looking for more wins, the signatures will take care of themselves.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/victorian-clubs-are-circling-out-of-contract-former-victorian-and-gws-giants-midfielder-dylan-shiel/story-fndv7pj3-1227329066169
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Carlton will get him as Judd will retire and that will free up a million dollars plus
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It's not all about the almighty dollar ::)
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It's not all about the almighty dollar ::)
Yep.
It's about loyalty.
Will probably stay at GWS, they are building nicely
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Shiel wants to be part of our footy club, says Giants' coach Leon Cameron:
Read more at: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-03/shiel-wants-to-be-part-of-our-footy-club-says-cameron
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Victorian clubs to miss on Giants' young guns Dylan Shiel and Will Hoskin-Elliott
Jake Niall
The Age
May 30, 2015
Greater Western Sydney appear set to fend off Victorian raiders and secure both outstanding young midfielder Dylan Shiel and talented forward Will Hoskin-Elliott.
The Giants have started contract negotiations with the management of Shiel and Hoskin-Elliott, both of whom have indicated a wish to remain with the fledgling club, instead of returning to any one of several Victorian clubs who were keen to lure them home.
Both players are coming out of contract this year.
Shiel is understood to be looking at a two-year contract extension, which would keep him at GWS until the end of 2017.
Shiel, 22, is among the game's best-performed players this year. Virtually every Melbourne club has made inquiries about whether he would be available.
Tellingly, Shiel's desire to stay has been influenced by the left footer's wish to play in a premiership team. While the Giants are expected to pay Shiel handsomely, like most sought-after players he would certainly fare better financially if he was willing to move clubs.
Read more at: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/victorian-clubs-to-miss-on-giants-young-guns-dylan-shiel-and-will-hoskinelliott-20150529-ghcte8.html
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Well this is a shame, good for GWS but crap for us.. ;D
So we need to focus on Treloar now!! Or did he sign earlier?
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Lol
Well who didn't see this coming. Yet another quality player who rejects the Tigers
Forget Treloar- pies according to Barrett or Giants
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I reckon I've been set on this kid for what? 3 years or close to it now...
That's flattening news... can we look at someone else? I never even bothered as I was set on him :whistle
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Extremely difficult to pick up these guys from GWS/GCS once they're clearly elite. Need to target the talented types who are fringe 22 guys.
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Like Wiley and jaksch, be careful , don't worry though , fj could find a needle in a haystack when it comes to talent :shh
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A manufactured team that no-one cares about is going to dominate the league for a decade. That should really pack them in and send the ratings through the roof. Won't get old fast at all.
Good luck AFL, looks like you going to get what you wished for...and you know what they say about that.....
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Lol
Well who didn't see this coming. Yet another quality player who rejects the Tigers
Forget Treloar- pies according to Barrett or Giants
And he rejected 17 other clubs...
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Were 17 clubs going for him were they?
Your better than that mate come on
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Were 17 clubs going for him were they?
Your better than that mate come on
Close to it. Apparently only Port didn't ask about him because of no cap space :shh
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Were 17 clubs going for him were they?
Your better than that mate come on
Close to it. Apparently only Port didn't ask about him because of no cap space :shh
perhaps although i doubt the likes of swans, eagles would be having a crack.
we havent been able to nail an a grader since nathan brown and the trend will continue. Treloar well his probably headed to the pies if the giants have a poor finish to the season.
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Were 17 clubs going for him were they?
Your better than that mate come on
Close to it. Apparently only Port didn't ask about him because of no cap space :shh
perhaps although i doubt the likes of swans, eagles would be having a crack.
we havent been able to nail an a grader since nathan brown and the trend will continue. Treloar well his probably headed to the pies if the giants have a poor finish to the season.
Depends what you mean by having a crack but they definitely enquired and made it known they would like him
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RFC obviously didn't go hard enough.
Needed to offer some serious coin to make it happen on a long-term deal.
IE $3million for 6 years etc.