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Title: Andy Hackouer
Post by: JohnF on June 18, 2005, 11:02:29 PM
My favourite player.....

Played 3 quarters' of the game and got 4 touches.

At one point in the game Richo was 5 yards behind him and chased the opposition and ended up 5 yards ahead of Krakouer - and that's with his dodgy knee!

Make him do a mini preseason for the next month and bring him in after that. His fitness isn't up to AFL standard.
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: DallasCrane on June 18, 2005, 11:05:39 PM
I'll usually go in to bat for Krak but I'll have to leave that to X-Cited tonight.

He was unseen.

Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: Razorblade on June 18, 2005, 11:06:15 PM
All i can say is, see you at Coburg Andy!

Bring in the bling!
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: JohnF on June 18, 2005, 11:07:12 PM
All i can say is, see you at Coburg Andy!

Bring in the bling!

Hear hear! Tambling would show more pace and endeavour with a twanged hammy!
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: PuntRdRoar on June 18, 2005, 11:08:07 PM
Andy should stay in the side and be traded at the end of the year to either Nth Melbourne or a West Australian club. We could actually get a decent deal if krakouer leaves!
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: JohnF on June 18, 2005, 11:29:32 PM
Right now I'd take a 3rd round pick for him.

I'd like him to stay at Richmond if he pulls his finger out but I'd bank on it not happening.

lmfaoooo@rewarding lazy players with 3 year contracts.

If we had Travis Johnstone at our club we'd put him on a four year deal. Crazy!
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: Razorblade on June 18, 2005, 11:30:46 PM
3 year deal = 2 year extension, i believe he was contracted this season anyway!
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: om21 on June 19, 2005, 11:32:59 AM
ROFL @ Our supporters trying to be patient with Kraks and hope he comes good......
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: letsgetiton! on June 19, 2005, 11:46:50 AM
krak was one of our better players last night, at least when he gets the ball something positive happens, joel, sugar, gas, andy kell, tiv, all get paid more and have pooh skills and always make wrong choices, if it wasnt 4 krak and richo in our fewd line last night we would only have had 2 goals scored, and mcleod played on krak and u cant say mcloeod won teh battle as he was prob adel most least effective player!!!!! Geez Geez mcleod is no slouch and  krak imo beat him!!! stats mean nothing, krak prevented mcleod from being a damaging player, krak busted his guts trying to keep the ball inside 50 and clear it out, he cant help it he has no mates !
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: WilliamPowell on June 19, 2005, 12:33:44 PM
Make him do a mini preseason for the next month and bring him in after that. His fitness isn't up to AFL standard.

Do they have big sand dunes on the Whitsundays? Get him to run up and down them while everyone else is out on the golf course ;D

3 year deal = 2 year extension, i believe he was contracted this season anyway!

Not true Razor - he was out of contract at the end of 2004.


krak was one of our better players last night, at least when he gets the ball something positive happens

Gotta say I disagree X - I am a Krakouer fan as I have said many times for a bloke of his size he is the best tackler in the game but against the Crows he was shocking.

2 kicks, 2 handballs, 2 marks, 1 goal and as for his strength that is his tackling he had 1 last night. Those stats are damning IMO. With no Brown we need at least 2-3 goals a game from Krakouer and we also need for him as the most senior of our small forwards to put the pressure on i keeping the ball in our forward 50 last night it didn't happen.

IMO he gave McLeod for too much latitude and as result McLeod ran off him far too easily and gave the Crows alot of run from the back half.

Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: JohnF on June 19, 2005, 04:40:14 PM
krak was one of our better players last night

4 touches in 3 quarters? Come on man!


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at least when he gets the ball something positive happens

I agree with you here, the problem is he doesn't know how to find the ball enough. He gets 10 touches a game which is way too few for the amount of game time he has.


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joel, sugar, gas, andy kell, tiv, all get paid more and have pooh skills and always make wrong choices

They make some wrong choices but they also get twice as much of the ball as Krakouer does and overall do more than he does.


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if it wasnt 4 krak and richo in our fewd line last night we would only have had 2 goals scored

lmfaooo, nice attempt to put Krakouer and Richo on the same level. Richo kicked 4 goals, Krakouer kicked one.


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and mcleod played on krak and u cant say mcloeod won teh battle as he was prob adel most least effective player!!!!! Geez Geez mcleod is no slouch and  krak imo beat him!!! stats mean nothing, krak prevented mcleod from being a damaging player,

McLeod had 15 touches and was bouncing the ball on multiple occasions in the midfield and out of defense. He didn't split the game open but he quadruppled Krakouer's output and to say krakouer beat him is beyond a joke.

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krak busted his guts trying to keep the ball inside 50 and clear it out, he cant help it he has no mates !

Usually his forward line pressure is one of his redeeming features. Last night it was non-existent. He was getting outrun by Richo on a dodgy knee and was being led a merry dance by McLeod.
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: letsgetiton! on June 19, 2005, 06:14:00 PM
stats mean nothing!!!! there is more to footy than stats, he had a had in 4-5 of our goals!!!!!!

common man!!!! his work in close was good, and look at his opponent in mcleod, he had no effect on the game, why!!! because krak kept him out of it.

the only reason krak didnt get many touches was not his fault, it was the fault of our midfield and their disposal, biggest sinners again last night............ tiv and sugar!!!!
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: JohnF on June 19, 2005, 07:14:50 PM
stats mean nothing!!!! there is more to footy than stats, he had a had in 4-5 of our goals!!!!!!

common man!!!! his work in close was good, and look at his opponent in mcleod, he had no effect on the game, why!!! because krak kept him out of it.

the only reason krak didnt get many touches was not his fault, it was the fault of our midfield and their disposal, biggest sinners again last night............ tiv and sugar!!!!

I can't believe your stance. Mcleod did have an effect on the game. He ran the lines and got 15 touches most of which were on target. He kept his man down to 4 touches and a goal. In anyone's language that is a clear win for McLeod.

Can you tell me how Krakouer had a hand in 4 or 5 goals?

He kicked one from a fortuitous miss-kick that landed in his vicinity.

I remember him doing quite a good handball but I don't think a goal resulted from it.

Where were the other 4 goals he contributed?

I agree the midfield did him no favours but he never led for the ball all night and the only time you'd see him in the action was when he was 5 metres behind a galloping McLeod.

Stats can be decieving but most times they point to the truth.
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: Ox on June 19, 2005, 10:30:17 PM
his opponent in mcleod, he had no effect on the game, why!!! because krak kept him out of it.


As a forward he kept his opposing backman out of the game ?

Hardly the aim. ::)

Just admit it, he is suffering the efeects of his of field laziness.

At one stage he was tackled and looked like a little boy bouncing of a trampioline ffs.
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: Ox on June 19, 2005, 10:35:35 PM
LMAO@ " Good stuff andy.U only kicked one but u kept u're backman opponent out of the game"
LMAO@Andy Hackouer.
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: WilliamPowell on June 19, 2005, 10:39:54 PM
common man!!!! his work in close was good, and look at his opponent in mcleod, he had no effect on the game, why!!! because krak kept him out of it.


Got to agree with JohnF here - McLeod had plenty of effect on the game. Granted he didn't have one of his 30+ disposal game but the run he gave them from the back half was damaging. I think nearly everyone of his disposals were effective and created something.

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the only reason krak didnt get many touches was not his fault, it was the fault of our midfield and their disposal, biggest sinners again last night............ tiv and sugar!!!!

Sure the deliivery in the F50 was terrible but Krak wasn't the only one who had to put up with it and I reckon it is your fault when you don't chase and try and get the ball back >:(

Look at Richo he's been putting up with crap delivery for years and even on one leg last night he chased and chased. A few times last night Kraks efforts were questionable in that regard. Yes he does alot stuff at the bottome of packs but last night was not one his best

I reckon to bag Tivendale this week is simply not fair. Brian Royal was on the radio pre-match and explained what they wanted Tivendale to do last night - and that was not to bounce the thing as soon as he got it and look around for the best option. He did that last night and his decision making and subsequently his disposal showed marked improvement. If the coaches make a request and a player follows those instructions then they have done exactly what has been asked of them.
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: WilliamPowell on June 19, 2005, 10:46:10 PM
At one stage he was tackled and looked like a little boy bouncing of a trampioline ffs.

Actually it's funny you mention that fOx - that was one thing that stood out last night how easily some of kids still get knocked off the ball. For example Andrew Raines in the centre (and I reckon Andy Raines is going to be a really good player long term) but the Crows were able to easily push him aside - serious lack of uppder body and leg strength (if that makes sense) - not trying to bag him just highlight the difference between blokes who are in the 5th, 6th+ season of AFL footy.

I reckon another big pre-season beckons for our younger blokes -  for improving upper body strength in particular
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: cub on June 19, 2005, 10:50:30 PM
Andy - Hmmmm - I have stayed out of these as I admire the guy and he seems to have something but it is time he stepped up.
Lets face it 4 possesions aint gunna win games of footy. Backman can get these type of stats on a rare occasion and still be effective, but not forwards/midfielders.

1/ He is doing all the work and more required and has the desire and fire necessary but just isn't up to it. or
2/ Needs to do all of the above and more to become what I beleive he should be (A match winner).

Crossroads for crack - We have had these players with the potential tags for years and years and kept waiting at the detriment of the RFC - Time to make a statement Andy.
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: Razorblade on June 19, 2005, 10:51:36 PM
Fact is Krakeour had a poo game, and got beaten by his opponent, case closed!
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: cub on June 19, 2005, 10:54:35 PM
At one stage he was tackled and looked like a little boy bouncing of a trampioline ffs.

Actually it's funny you mention that fOx - that was one thing that stood out last night how easily some of kids still get knocked off the ball. For example Andrew Raines in the centre (and I reckon Andy Raines is going to be a really good player long term) but the Crows were able to easily push him aside - serious lack of uppder body and leg strength (if that makes sense) - not trying to bag him just highlight the difference between blokes who are in the 5th, 6th+ season of AFL footy.

I reckon another big pre-season beckons for our younger blokes -  for improving upper body strength in particular

One of my beefs about the way the game is changing - What and I say again WHAT is wrong about getting the Rugby League blokes over once a month or so to teach these guys some tackling and balance strength exercise. They are 2 completly different games and could  advantage each other immensly in cetain areas.
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: mightytiges on June 20, 2005, 05:59:45 PM
Fact is Krakeour had a pooh game, and got beaten by his opponent, case closed!

Spot on and as can be said for about 18 other blokes on Saturday night. Krakouer needs to work harder and do more.

Title: Flashy Krakouer puts in cracker
Post by: one-eyed on July 03, 2005, 03:23:36 AM
Flashy Krakouer puts in cracker
03 July 2005   
Sunday Herald Sun
Scot Palmer

WE knew the father and the uncle, and we remember how league marketing people tried to fashion a slogan to suit their flamboyant style of play. Yesterday at the MCG we saw flashes of that old Krakouer magic again.

Andrew Krakouer, the shy son of Jim, turned the big arena in to his stage and sparked the Tigers' great escape.

After leading at one stage in the third quarter by 45 points, it was only the courage of players such as Krakouer, former captain Wayne Campbell and defender Darren Gaspar that staved off Sydney, enabling Richmond to cling on to a one-point win and their finals hopes.

Some will say the Tigers were lucky, but after winning three of the four quarters and absorbing one of the keenest finishes the Swans could muster they would have been unlucky to lose.

How many times would big Barry Hall be kept goalless? How many times would matchwinners Adam Goodes, Nick Davis and Michael O'Loughlin be held to average performances? And how often would a side win a game when for most of the last term it could not enter its 50m zone?

The gods, and little opportunists like Krakouer, were on Richmond's side yesterday when inexplicably the team went defensive when its plan should have been to attack.

Normally, Krakouer is known for his workmanlike in-and-under efforts, which had him selected in all of Richmond's games last year. But yesterday it was his play making and tackling that showed the Tigers the way, even in the desperate, last moments when Sydney scored five goals in a row, bringing the game to within a kick and sending footy historians scurrying for their records to see whether it was to be the Swans' best come-from-behind victory.

Coach Terry Wallace must have tried to get the message to his troops late in the match not to fear attacking, but their mindset had done a turnabout and most could think of only one thing; how to save four premiership points.

Key forward Matthew Richardson, with four goals, stood like a beacon in the Richmond scoring zone, while the game was played well away from him. He must have been horrified to see Amon Buchanan, Goodes and Jared Crouch bring the Swans to within seven points, then the brilliant O'Loughlin reduce it to only one as time-on started.

Meanwhile, though, Richmond's No. 27 appeared with the ball and disappeared under a pile of bodies as the Tigers desperately tried to hang on. Krakouer finished as Richmond's third-best possession getter with 14 kicks, nine handballs and three telling goals.

Richmond has always had faith that the slightly built Aborigine, picked up at No.41 in the 2000 national draft, would light up the 'G one day.

Well, it happened yesterday.

Maybe he will have a companion in Darwin recruit Richard Tambling, if two plays early in the game when vision, speed and accuracy were needed can be repeated in matches ahead. The pair have become close mates at Punt Rd and a new combination might have been formed.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,15802616%255E19771,00.html
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: JohnF on July 03, 2005, 04:10:45 AM
A step in the right direction. He won't do this week in week out until he does the recquisite training. I hope he does.
Title: Re: Andy Krakouer
Post by: mightytiges on July 03, 2005, 04:20:17 AM
Top stuff from Kraks. Really went in for the hard ball. Now he has to produce this sort of form as you said John week in week out and for it to become the norm not an annual or biannual occurence. He needs to back it up against the Bombers next week. No reason why he can't as he tore them to shreads in 2003.

Wallace was interviewed on 3aw after the match and said Krakouer knows he has to improve his fitness as in the past he has struggled to get from point A to B. He's been working hard lately on improving his fitness and today was a sign of it paying off. Terry said they decided to give him more time in the midfield this week.
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: letsgetiton! on July 03, 2005, 09:39:12 AM
A step in the right direction. He won't do this week in week out until he does the recquisite training. I hope he does.

andy is gr8. hope all his knockers would just shut up!!! everyone bags him for being unfit but its not his fault he has been groomed and trained to play forward pocket!!! if he gets more game time in the middle and trains 4 that role of course he would get fitter! he was a best on ground yesterday and wayne (who in my mind is our captain still, and WILL PLAY ON NEXT YEAR, AS I KNOW THIS FROM INSIDE SOURCES) was a close second!!!

Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: Bulluss on July 03, 2005, 11:35:02 AM
No doubting that Andy played a terrific gam yesterday, as stated by others the challenge for him is to produce this on a more consistant basis rather than a couple of times a year.

X, this crap about him not being trained properly is a load of crap. Andy has been given opportunites to play in the midfield and it is up to him to do the extra work and to bust his arse so that he is ready and prepared to the play the midfield role. Sure game time in there helps but he has to put in the work away from game time to deserve the chance to play in that spot and he hasnt done that in the past. Hopefully he starts to get a bit more hungry and starts to pull his weight on the track, from the sounds of it he MAY be changing.

It will take more than just a couple of weeks of eating right and training hard though.
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: Razorblade on July 03, 2005, 12:51:14 PM
I am a very avid Krakeour knocker, but yesterday he showed something he rarely does, he actually looked like he gave a stuff about the game!

When he does this, his pace and aggresion around the packs is invaulable, and seemingly rubs off in our other players.

IMO his fitness seemed better yesterday then for the whole of the season, wonder of he snuck in a no-doz or two!  :lol

If he keeps that sort of EFFORT level up every week then he will win me over.
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: letsgetiton! on July 04, 2005, 06:11:36 AM

X, this crap about him not being trained properly is a load of crap. Andy has been given opportunites to play in the midfield and it is up to him to do the extra work and to bust his behind so that he is ready and prepared to the play the midfield role. Sure game time in there helps but he has to put in the work away from game time to deserve the chance to play in that spot and he hasnt done that in the past. Hopefully he starts to get a bit more hungry and starts to pull his weight on the track, from the sounds of it he MAY be changing.


for a guy that does not have a natural solid frame, it will be very difficult to bulk him up, add weight and increase his aerobic fitness at the same time!!!  he does not need to get heavier, he laid the most tackles again on the w/e and was in every pack, he needs to stay nimble and agile, his fitness will improve every week if he continues to play full games onball. just wait and see.  and for all of u who say he cant mark over his head, open ur eyes. and the bonus is, once he gets fitter we will have an onballer who can hit a target thus hopefully they will take sugar out of the mix and make him a permanent hbflanker as he was in the adelaide prem team. his skills are shocking and as captain he must set the standard!!!!! as shown on the w/e wayne is still our only true captain, its its gr8 to hear he will play on next yr
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: JohnF on July 04, 2005, 06:34:09 AM
Krakouer can put on more lean muscle for explosiveness. He doesn't need to become a tank but for crying out loud he doesn't even look 'athletic'

X, Cambo has reiterated at least 5 times publicly that this will be his final year. He did it again after the the game on the weekend.

How reliable is this source of yours?

As for Kane Johnson he's been playing injured and has stillmanaged to contribute greatly just about every game. He has been good.
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: letsgetiton! on July 04, 2005, 06:42:06 AM
Krakouer can put on more lean muscle for explosiveness. He doesn't need to become a tank but for crying out loud he doesn't even look 'athletic'

X, Cambo has reiterated at least 5 times publicly that this will be his final year. He did it again after the the game on the weekend.

How reliable is this source of yours?

As for Kane Johnson he's been playing injured and has stillmanaged to contribute greatly just about every game. He has been good.

my source is a good friend of mine who is waynes first cousin,  and he told me on th ew/e that wayne is telling everyone he wont play on because he is waiting to see how he finishes the yr off, as long he stays injury free in the remainder of teh yr he will def play on next yr in the same role as this yr. the only thing that will keep him away next yr is if he breaks dwn with injury in the remaining games this yr.

as 4 krak, he is no athlete and is faster than he looks, he just needs to work on his conistancy imo.  he is a natural footballer
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: JohnF on July 04, 2005, 06:48:05 AM
Time will telll I suppose.

Would hate to see him go on and have a final year like Robert Harvey, getting injured every other week.

If he finishes this year getting 18-19 touches a game as a bench player it will be a decent way to bow out.
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: letsgetiton! on July 04, 2005, 06:51:58 AM
riccardi has been an effictive off the bench player, imo wayne deserves 300 games and he has been a more than usefula player 4 us off the bench this yr and is now starting to play games staring on field.

as u said, time will tell
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: WilliamPowell on July 04, 2005, 01:18:09 PM
Time will telll I suppose.

Would hate to see him go on and have a final year like Robert Harvey, getting injured every other week.

If he finishes this year getting 18-19 touches a game as a bench player it will be a decent way to bow out.

Spot on JohnF - watching Harvey try to run flat out and then fall over in agony is disappointing to say the least. Gee you really do have to question the St Kilda fitness people sorry their "conditioning management team". What is that exactly :-\

The one thing that sets Campbell apart from most of his teammates (and I have said many times) is his footy smarts - he just seems to know when to hold the ball for those extra couple of seconds especially when it comes to a Richo lead. :thumbsup

Ditto in the last quarter his footy smarts shone through.

The one area that worries me thoguh is his leg speed - if he was to lose much more I honestly don't think there would be much point going on
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: letsgetiton! on July 04, 2005, 04:31:57 PM


The one area that worries me thoguh is his leg speed - if he was to lose much more I honestly don't think there would be much point going on
as terry says wayne has 300 reasons to keep playing on
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: mightytiges on July 04, 2005, 04:57:51 PM
Cambo's more useful late in the game as everyone tires so his lack of leg speed isn't as noticeable.

He's gained the liking of the supporters since 2003 which he didn't really have before that (was much maligned) and still earns his spot in the side so bowing out at the end of this year would be a fitting way to go and best of all he gets to determine when the end is himself.

Back to Krakouer - no one expects BOGs every week but he needs to use last Saturday as a springboard to find weekly consistent efforts eliminating the games where he gets only around 5 possessions. That's not acceptable for the gametime he gets. The same goes for Tivs as a senior player with his quiet game on the weekend.   
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: Mopsy on July 04, 2005, 08:49:43 PM
Might make him better trade bait :shh
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: mightytiges on July 09, 2005, 08:10:26 PM
Good to see Krakouer back up last week's game. We did better at centre bounces when he was putting his body in and winning clearances. Like that party trick of sliding in underneath an oncoming opponent and in he same movement getting back on his feet moving in the direction he came from with the footy.
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: JohnF on July 09, 2005, 08:15:14 PM
Yeah another solid performance. Good on him.

I'll expect big things from him next year if he gets his schit together.

If he doesn't then threads like this will continue to flow.
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: Razorblade on July 09, 2005, 09:44:14 PM
Not as good as last week, but still played a very good game.
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: letsgetiton! on July 10, 2005, 08:16:11 PM
Not as good as last week, but still played a very good game.
he was just as good as last week! he was the lightest kid out there but always put his body in and his efforts were fantastic! stan alves could not compliment him tuck and captain campo enough!!!!

Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: cub on August 09, 2005, 02:45:51 PM

my source is a good friend of mine who is waynes first cousin,  and he told me on th ew/e that wayne is telling everyone he wont play on because he is waiting to see how he finishes the yr off, as long he stays injury free in the remainder of teh yr he will def play on next yr in the same role as this yr. the only thing that will keep him away next yr is if he breaks dwn with injury in the remaining games this yr.



Ummm Yeah OK  ::) - Just a lesson Don't beleive everything you hear second hand and treat it as gospel (especially on iternet forums)
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: JohnF on August 09, 2005, 03:54:40 PM
lol
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: letsgetiton! on August 09, 2005, 05:04:14 PM

my source is a good friend of mine who is waynes first cousin,  and he told me on th ew/e that wayne is telling everyone he wont play on because he is waiting to see how he finishes the yr off, as long he stays injury free in the remainder of teh yr he will def play on next yr in the same role as this yr. the only thing that will keep him away next yr is if he breaks dwn with injury in the remaining games this yr.



Ummm Yeah OK  ::) - Just a lesson Don't beleive everything you hear second hand and treat it as gospel (especially on iternet forums)

i never heard it on an internet forun u tool, i was told face to face by his first cousin who is a good friend of mine, and as i said " he is waiting to see how he finishes the yr off, as long he stays injury free in the remainder of teh yr he will def play on next yr".  well he is not recovering as well as he liked and as the yr has fallen in a heap he is quitting, so his cousin and my source were not wrong! if we had have made the finals or looked like we were he would have played on if his body was up to it
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: strav on August 11, 2005, 04:47:50 PM

my source is a good friend of mine who is waynes first cousin,  and he told me on th ew/e that wayne is telling everyone he wont play on because he is waiting to see how he finishes the yr off, as long he stays injury free in the remainder of teh yr he will def play on next yr in the same role as this yr. the only thing that will keep him away next yr is if he breaks dwn with injury in the remaining games this yr.



Ummm Yeah OK  ::) - Just a lesson Don't beleive everything you hear second hand and treat it as gospel (especially on iternet forums)

i never heard it on an internet forun u tool, i was told face to face by his first cousin who is a good friend of mine, and as i said " he is waiting to see how he finishes the yr off, as long he stays injury free in the remainder of teh yr he will def play on next yr".  well he is not recovering as well as he liked and as the yr has fallen in a heap he is quitting, so his cousin and my source were not wrong! if we had have made the finals or looked like we were he would have played on if his body was up to it


So this is where you've been lurking. How the stuff are ya.
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: letsgetiton! on August 11, 2005, 08:16:12 PM

my source is a good friend of mine who is waynes first cousin,  and he told me on th ew/e that wayne is telling everyone he wont play on because he is waiting to see how he finishes the yr off, as long he stays injury free in the remainder of teh yr he will def play on next yr in the same role as this yr. the only thing that will keep him away next yr is if he breaks dwn with injury in the remaining games this yr.



Ummm Yeah OK  ::) - Just a lesson Don't beleive everything you hear second hand and treat it as gospel (especially on iternet forums)

i never heard it on an internet forun u tool, i was told face to face by his first cousin who is a good friend of mine, and as i said " he is waiting to see how he finishes the yr off, as long he stays injury free in the remainder of teh yr he will def play on next yr".  well he is not recovering as well as he liked and as the yr has fallen in a heap he is quitting, so his cousin and my source were not wrong! if we had have made the finals or looked like we were he would have played on if his body was up to it


So this is where you've been lurking. How the stuff are ya.

lol

im ok and you, whats news?
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: Ox on August 11, 2005, 09:17:08 PM
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i never heard it on an internet forun u tool, i was told face to face by his first cousin who is a good friend of mine, and as i said " he is waiting to see how he finishes the yr off, as long he stays injury free in the remainder of teh yr he will def play on next yr".  well he is not recovering as well as he liked and as the yr has fallen in a heap he is quitting, so his cousin and my source were not wrong! if we had have made the finals or looked like we were he would have played on if his body was up to it

LMAOOOOOOOO@All of yoiur inside info

Whats his name?(the cousin)

LMAO@First cousins

Im mates with Peter,Ill ask him IF HES A CREDIBLE SOURCE. :scream
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: letsgetiton! on August 12, 2005, 07:15:57 AM
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i never heard it on an internet forun u tool, i was told face to face by his first cousin who is a good friend of mine, and as i said " he is waiting to see how he finishes the yr off, as long he stays injury free in the remainder of teh yr he will def play on next yr".  well he is not recovering as well as he liked and as the yr has fallen in a heap he is quitting, so his cousin and my source were not wrong! if we had have made the finals or looked like we were he would have played on if his body was up to it

LMAOOOOOOOO@All of yoiur inside info

Whats his name?(the cousin)

LMAO@First cousins

Im mates with Peter,Ill ask him IF HES A CREDIBLE SOURCE. :scream

i wont reveal which cousin i know, they are a huge family, if you know a cousin of his then go and find out for yourself. fh!
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: strav on August 12, 2005, 04:36:11 PM
X, I'm ok. Not much except to say that at y&b is ok but becoming very sterile since you vamoosed out of there. Actually, its a snore fest :sleep

Anyway, Andy krakour. What the hell is up with him. Is he soft, a front runner, scatter brain, not conditioned yet or is it purely phsycological. My money is on the phsycology of this young lad. He has shown that he can play and kick multiple goals on his day. But what is affecting his consistancy. I don't think he's a hack, has too much natural talent. Maybe some one needs to instill a killer instinct into him. I think thats whats lacking. His mind is still immature. How old is he?
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: letsgetiton! on August 12, 2005, 05:37:55 PM
X, I'm ok. Not much except to say that at y&b is ok but becoming very sterile since you vamoosed out of there. Actually, its a snore fest :sleep

Anyway, Andy krakour. What the hell is up with him. Is he soft, a front runner, scatter brain, not conditioned yet or is it purely phsycological. My money is on the phsycology of this young lad. He has shown that he can play and kick multiple goals on his day. But what is affecting his consistancy. I don't think he's a hack, has too much natural talent. Maybe some one needs to instill a killer instinct into him. I think thats whats lacking. His mind is still immature. How old is he?

i actually think he is missing spud. as spud and he were very close and basically family. so my bet psychological, he is only 22 i think so he still has plenty of time but patiience is wearing thin
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: strav on August 12, 2005, 05:50:39 PM
I had forgotten his connection with Spud. You could well be right. Send him to a Hypno therapist to de-Spud him :thumbsup
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: JohnF on August 12, 2005, 06:21:51 PM
Make him do his pre-season training on the spud farms of bungaree. He can start right now becuase he shouldn't play again this year.
Title: Krakouer's season may be over if we lose to Dogs (The Age)
Post by: one-eyed on August 13, 2005, 04:43:39 AM
Tiger loss may end injured Krakouer's season
By Emma Quayle
The Age
August 13, 2005

Richmond forward Andrew Krakouer may have played his final game for the season after he injured his hamstring at training this week.

Coach Terry Wallace said yesterday that he hoped that Krakouer, who suffered the minor strain early in a Wednesday session, would miss only the Tigers' match against the Western Bulldogs tomorrow.

But he said should the injury take another week to overcome, and a finals spot fall from sight, the 20-goal forward may not play again until next year.

"He did it at training," Wallace said yesterday.

"It was just a slight one with the cold conditions and that's the one thing that you can't factor in.

"We didn't have a heavy session the other day. It was done in probably the first 20 minutes of the session, so it wasn't later in the session. It's not a major hamstring, so he may make it back later on.

"It's certainly a one-weeker and it could be a two-weeker. You would think it probably wouldn't be a three-weeker, but then you've got to make a decision: Do you play a guy in the last round of the season, if that's the case?

"He'll try and come up for next week, but I'd say he'd be more unlikely than likely."

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2005/08/12/1123353502010.html
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: strav on August 13, 2005, 01:51:31 PM
Maybe this has been the source of his inconsitancy throughtout the season?
Title: Re: Andy Krakouer
Post by: mightytiges on December 18, 2005, 07:25:02 AM
This time of year everyone is looking a million bucks but in any case Matt Hornsby reckons Krakouer is showing the benefits of having done extra training sessions during his break at the end of last season and that he’s running well and looking really fit.

Krak needs to find consistency that's for sure.

Hornsby also gave Hall, Pettifer, Polo and Paddy Bowden a rapt while Simmo has slimmed down to 99kg.
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: Ox on December 18, 2005, 09:48:39 AM
How can anyone MISS Spud ?

I hope this has not been the case.

I'd put Kraks pathetic physical conditioning(which was the base of all his shortcomings) down to Frawleys 1980s Moorabin  training mentality.

@ 22 he is still savable.
Title: Re: Andy Krakouer
Post by: JohnF on December 19, 2005, 08:26:32 PM
This time of year everyone is looking a million bucks but in any case Matt Hornsby reckons Krakouer is showing the benefits of having done extra training sessions during his break at the end of last season and that he’s running well and looking really fit.

Krak needs to find consistency that's for sure.

Hornsby also gave Hall, Pettifer, Polo and Paddy Bowden a rapt while Simmo has slimmed down to 99kg.

I'll wait and see how he goes when the season proper comes around. It's like the reporters that are always raving about how slim Dean Rioli has become at the start of every year and then five weeks in he's a fat pig again. Hopefully Krakouer keeps consistency with his training thtroughout the season as well as before it, and eats healthily and stays off the sauce when outside of training. That's just as important as extra training sessions.
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: mightytiges on April 08, 2006, 12:46:54 AM
Apart from losing and the injuries, the only individual Tiger I was really disappointed in this week. He was just lost out there tonight and failed to run to the correct positions when he needed to present or crumb. His use of the footy and tackling is fine but he needs to do more and present and win his own footy.
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: Mopsy on April 08, 2006, 07:13:46 AM
Apart from losing and the injuries, the only individual Tiger I was really disappointed in this week. He was just lost out there tonight and failed to run to the correct positions when he needed to present or crumb. His use of the footy and tackling is fine but he needs to do more and present and win his own footy.

Due for a trip to the Burgers I'd say!!!
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: JohnF on April 08, 2006, 03:24:44 PM
He's just about due a trip to centrelink.
Title: Re: Andy Hackouer
Post by: Bulluss on April 08, 2006, 03:29:14 PM
When will our club stop being content with mediocrity?

It is time that people are made to earn their place in the seniors and not be given a free ride.

Send him back to Coburg for a month and i dont care if he gets BOG next week and the week after.

Leave him there and let him know that he has to do the hard yards.