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Club-by-club guide to the 2013 AFL draft
Emma Quayle
The Age
November 16, 2013
RICHMOND
In: Shaun Hampson.
Out: Luke McGuane, Robin Nahas, Tom Derickx, Shane Tuck, Matt White.
Rookie upgrade: Ricky Petterd.
Draft picks: 12, 50, 66, 77 (Petterd).
DEPTH CHARTS
TALL FORWARDS: Jack Riewoldt, Tyrone Vickery, Liam McBean, Todd Elton.
TALL DEFENDERS: Alex Rance, Dylan Grimes, Troy Chaplin, David Astbury, Ben Griffiths, Ben Darrou (rookie).
SMALL/MEDIUM FORWARDS: Jake King, Chris Knights, Matthew Arnot, Brett O'Hanlon, Matt McDonough.
SMALL/MEDIUM DEFENDERS: Chris Newman, Steven Morris, Jake Batchelor, Bachar Houli, Ricky Petterd, Kamdyn McIntosh, Matt Dea.
MIDFIELDERS: Trent Cotchin, Brett Deledio, Dustin Martin, Nick Vlastuin, Brandon Ellis, Reece Conca, Daniel Jackson, Shaun Grigg, Shane Edwards, Nathan Foley, Brad Helbig, Cadeyn Williams (rookie).
RUCKS: Ivan Maric, Shaun Hampson, Orren Stephenson (rookie).
DRAFT DAY:
The Tigers will be minor players this year, taking just two live picks. That's not a bad thing, depending on how soon we see more of their ''next layer'' players. If McBean, Arnot, O'Hanlon, Dea, McIntosh, Elton and others start to put pressure on for spots, they'll improve. If they can get Griffiths going, even better. And if the inclusion of Hampson helps Vickery kick more goals, better again. The club was very encouraged by McBean's progress last season, and he could play a part in the forward line and in the ruck. The Tigers can probably still get better in the midfield, simply by adding another good player to the mix, and for that reason Christian Salem would be an ideal first pick. Like recent draftees Ellis and Vlastuin, he is capable in more than one spot - whereas those two were drafted having played in the midfield and across half-back, he'd add a bit of class to the half-forward line too. Ben Lennon will appeal for similar reasons - he's more forward than midfielder, at this point - and Richmond's pick may simply be a case of which player is still on the board, with Nathan Freeman also to be considered. If all those three are gone they'd be unlucky, but it may happen, bringing another onballer- perhaps Zak Jones - into the frame.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/clubbyclub-guide-to-the-2013-afl-draft-20131115-2xm5h.html#ixzz2kjRKSUdo
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Precisely how I see it, zac jones will be the get out of jail card
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If we only take 2 live picks and upgade Petterd are we going to be a man down for a year? ;D
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Emma knows her stuff
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Except math
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Emma knows her stuff
Can't count though. Clearly 3 picks to be taken. :whistle The picks listed clearly show that too. ;D
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Emma Quayle has corrected the online version to say three live picks ...
"The Tigers will be reasonably minor players this year, taking just three live picks."
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/clubbyclub-guide-to-the-2013-afl-draft-20131115-2xm5h.html#ixzz2kn6N55R0
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Emma must've been drunk again. Goes for Essendon too so could've been high
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Emma Quayle's top 25 based on talent in her opinion ...
The lads most likely
Emma Quayle
The Age
November 17, 2013
1. TOM BOYD
(Eastern Ranges, 201cm, 103kg)
Boyd is a one-off. No other key forwards are this big, this good, this proven or this ready-to-go. He's huge, yet doesn't rely on his size or a mean streak to put opponents in their place: he takes a lot of marks because he leads to the right spots, reads the flight of the ball and positions himself well. A neat kick, who doesn't waste shots. Boyd can dominate games. He has a knowing, perceptive personality and is as switched on as they come. No. 1, all the way.
Who will pick him? GWS.
2. JOSH KELLY
(Sand. Dragons, 184cm, 75kg)
Kelly does most if not all things to a high, consistent level. He has elite endurance, and his composure and smart decision-making means his possessions really mean something. He's a death-by-a-thousand cuts type player: he'll get you, in the end. There's not much he can't do but he works hard at everything anyway: last pre-season he hired a sprint coach to help improve his acceleration then spent time working on his inside game. Wherever he's played, his teammates have wanted to be like him. That's a good sign.
Who will pick him? GWS.
3. JAMES AISH
(Norwood, 184cm, 79kg)
Aish has poise, composure and a way of knowing how things are going to pan out. You feel comfortable when the ball is in his hands, because he sizes things up and makes such sensible decisions. He's faced some challenges this year, coming back from a shoulder reconstruction and getting used to being tagged. He's played two years of senior football for Norwood as an outside sweeper, and is used to adhering to structures and doing what his team needs him to do.
Who will pick him? The Saints will have researched but he seems likely to go from pick 4-7. A nice surprise for Collingwood or Brisbane?
4. JACK BILLINGS
(Oakleigh Chargers, 185cm, 76kg)
Billings could be the most gifted player in this group. Combine that with his dedication - he had a post-game stretching routine worked out when he was an under-12 - and you have a very promising player to work with. He's slight, but not necessarily small: he throws himself around for marks, can nudge other players out of the way and outsmart them. He thinks a little quicker than most around him, and has the foot skills and goal sense to make his sixth sense count. The question is when - or whether - he'll be able to do it in the midfield.
Who will pick him? He's a chance for St Kilda at No. 3. After that, the Bulldogs, Suns, Collingwood and Lions will all consider him.
5. KADE KOLODJASHNIJ
(Launceston, 190cm, 79kg)
Watching Kolodjashnij play this year you could almost see him start to realise how well he belonged and how good he could be. He's a runner, someone who can go and get the ball, then carry it away with him. He has a burst of pace, and the endurance to make sure he's where he needs to be to link pieces of play together. Smart, instinctive, and competitive.
Who will pick him? The Saints, Bulldogs and Suns have taken a big look. Will most likely go to Gold Coast, at pick 5. It's hard to see him getting out of the first dozen.
6. MATTHEW SCHARENBERG
(Glenelg, 191cm, 88kg)
Scharenberg's club won't have to find a position for him, just choose which position suits him best on any given day. He's proven himself mostly in defence, where he reads the play incredibly well. He's looked better out in space than he does locking down on a player, because he's so good at setting things up. Just keeps getting the ball. Doesn't get ruffled, and calms the players around him.
Who will pick him? He's in contention at pick 3 for St Kilda, and the Bulldogs have looked at him. Could be a nice surprise for Collingwood or the Lions.
7. LUKE McDONALD
(Oakleigh Chargers, 189cm, 85kg)
A busy, energetic player who could start off half-back and come crashing through the centre square. McDonald likes to take games on and to do things: you can tell, watching him, how much he loves the game. He had a down patch during the year where he struggled to find a way into games, but finished off with a couple of impressive finals for Werribee in the VFL. A warm personality who draws teammates to him and drags them along with him.
Who will pick him? He's North Melbourne-bound, as the highest priced father-son draftee ever.
8. CHRISTIAN SALEM
(Sand. Dragons, 185cm, 78kg)
A smart, creative midfielder with the concentration and discipline to take on big jobs. He has rolling pace, rather than a ''burst'', and posted some excellent results in the endurance testing at the combine. You want Salem to be the one kicking the ball because he rarely wastes it. He is super competitive, with a likeable, eager-to-learn personality and an appreciation for hard work.
Who will pick him? He should go somewhere between 10-12, with Melbourne, Collingwood and Richmond all interested.
9. BEN LENNON
(Northern Knights, 189cm, 80kg)
Lennon is a smart, instinctive player. Things tend to happen when he's around the play and he's able to create goals from either a) half-chances or b) deliberate, well-timed leads. He's dynamic, and demands the ball like much bigger players usually do. At this point you'd choose him as an (excellent, ambitious) forward who could go into the middle provided he improves his endurance. A natural.
Who will pick him? He'll come under consideration by Collingwood and Brisbane. Is a big chance to head to West Coast at 11, and could be Richmond's pick at 12.
10. LEWIS TAYLOR
(Geelong Falcons, 175cm, 75kg)
Taylor loves being busy. Loves the give-and-go, zig zags all over the ground, and it feels like he's playing on fast-forward at times. He has pace, and that combined with his foot skills makes up for the fact he's so small. He's highly independent and knows how to look out for himself. Adds energy, on and off the field.
Who will pick him? He should get taken in the teens, perhaps GWS or Fremantle. Most of the clubs around there have spent a lot of time on him. Shouldn't get out of the top 20.
11. MARCUS BONTEMPELLI
(Northern Knights, 194cm, 84kg)
Bontempelli's size and mobility make him a unique prospect. At the start of the season he looked good as a rebounder, someone who wasn't necessarily fast, but knew when to dart past a contest and get the ball. By the end of the season he'd spent time in the middle and shown an ability to a) get his hands to the ball and b) make good, quick decisions and get the ball away tidily. Not as complete a prospect as others on offer, but has huge scope. If he works out, he'll be hard to match up on.
Who will pick him? He's in the mix for St Kilda at 3 and a chance for the Bulldogs at 4. Will come into contention at each pick from then, down to Collingwood at 10.
12. NATHAN FREEMAN
(Sand. Dragons, 184cm, 85kg)
There's not a lot of explosive speed in this draft, but Freeman has it. He likes to take off with a shake of his hips, and attack. His challenge this year was been to pick up his disposal efficiency, to handball a little more and to improve the defensive side of his game, and he's worked hard in all areas. He's strong, keeps his feet, plays like he loves it and is always looking to get involved.
Who will pick him? He or Salem would be a perfect fit for Melbourne at pick 9. Should be drafted somewhere from pick 9-13.
13. CAMERON McCARTHY
(South Fremantle, 194cm, 83kg)
There's a bit of mystery about McCarthy, who played footy as a kid but had a few years away playing cricket and went back to footy only this year. He kicked a bunch of goals, was drafted into the WA under-18 and kicked even more. He was bold, he attacked the ball, he showed a natural knack for reading the ball and getting into good positions. Then he fractured his leg and didn't play again. A relaxed kid; nothing fazes him. Raw, and will have a heap to learn once he gets to his club, but with huge potential. Pack marking forwards are not easy to find.
Who will pick him? He's been linked most strongly to Collingwood and Brisbane at 6 and 7, with the Lions more likely. West Coast is a chance too, and he's probably the one player who would sway Carlton from choosing an onballer at 13.
14. DOM SHEED
(Subiaco, 187cm, 83kg)
At the start of year, people wondered whether Sheed was a bit one-paced. He isn't quick but he's not slow, and he does too many things well to focus too much on that. He wins contested balls, and makes good decisions when kicking. He'll work hard from start to finish, and be running when others have stopped. Pushes himself and plays with urgency. Coaches will love him, because he'll do everything asked.
Who will pick him? West Coast is interested, at 11. He's one of several midfielders who could go anywhere from there right down to the early 20s. If the Eagles don't take him he's a big chance for Carlton at 13.
15. TRENT DUMONT
(Norwood, 186cm, 85kg)
Dumont really, really wants the ball and doesn't seem to care who or what gets in his way. He's not a fast player but his forte is getting his hands on the ball first, and he has started to develop his outside game too, and is a nice kick. He plays with unrelenting determination, and wants to keep getting better. Another motivated, professional kid. Supporters will warm to him quickly.
Who will pick him? He should go somewhere in the first round, from about pick 12 onwards. He's a chance for Carlton, Geelong and Sydney. Shouldn't get far into the 20s.
16. BLAKE ACRES
(West Perth, 190cm, 86kg)
Acres is an intriguing prospect: his exposed form is good but there wasn't a lot of it this year, thanks to a shoulder injury that he played through for a while, then had surgery on. He's a tall, versatile midfielder whose height and anticipation helps him disrupt play by taking marks through the midfield. Looks good on the half-back and half-forward lines too. Plays at a quick pace, but can pause, sum things up and finish off.
Who will pick him? West Coast will consider him at 11. So will Fremantle, later down the order. It'll come down to the order in which clubs rank the many midfielders available, but it would surprise to see him get past the mid-20s.
17. ZAK JONES
(Dand. Stingrays, 183cm, 76kg)
Jones was a huge improver this year, starting in a back pocket for Dandenong and ending up throwing himself at contests in the centre square. He's a highly combative, get-out-of-my-way type player who loves to harass, tackle and make life hard for opponents. He improved his kicking, and in the middle was able to both scrounge for the ball and use it with some poise. Thrives on hard work.
Who will pick him? He's around the mark from 12 onwards. Geelong and Sydney have both been linked to him but he may get into the 20s.
18. ZACH MERRETT
(Sand. Dragons, 180cm, 77kg)
Merrett is a clever, crafty player. He seems to see things quite quickly, whether that's something he can set up for another player, an opponent he can get to and tackle or a piece of play he can become a part of. Combine his common sense with his kicking skills, and you have a lot to work with. He's trustworthy, a player you hope finds the ball because he'll use it well.
Who will pick him? He's a big chance to join his brother Jackson at Essendon, at 26. St Kilda may take him at 18 or 19 before then. Anywhere from Sydney's pick 16 down to the Bombers.
19. TOM CUTLER
(Oakleigh Chargers, 192cm, 84kg)
A strong, powerful player, who could play off half-back or through the middle. Cutler is driven, and asks a lot of himself. He missed games this year through injury, but got himself into excellent shape for the combine and worked hard to remind everyone there of his athletic abilities. If he works as a midfielder, he'll be hard to match up on given his height and power. A thoughtful personality who likes to take things in.
Who will pick him? Probably won't get past Adelaide's first pick, but could go before then, somewhere in the late teens.
20. BILLY HARTUNG
(Dand. Stingrays, 178cm, 67kg)
Hartung has some major weapons. He doesn't defend as naturally as some of the others in this group, but has more flair than most of them. He's a confident, bouncy player who loves to take off with the ball and run. He's a pretty direct player, too: either off half-back or on a wing, he heads straight towards the 50-metre line. He can be a momentum-changer; if the contested side of his game improves, he could be a very damaging player.
Who will pick him? He'll probably go anywhere from 16-25. St Kilda has shown interest, but so have plenty of others. He'd be hard for Essendon to pass on if available at 26.
21. MICHAEL APENESS
(Eastern Ranges, 201cm, 98kg)
Apeness looked good in the ruck this year, but even better as a key forward. He clunks marks, has a bit of aggression about him and is difficult to budge once he gets into position. He's only returned to football (after a brief foray into rugby) and looked more and more confident each week. He has lots to work on, but lots to work with. Being able to mark as naturally as he does is a great start. May take time, but could be well worth the investment.
Who will pick him? He'll likely be the next forward picked after McCarthy, somewhere in the 20s.
22. LUKE DUNSTAN
(Woodville W Torrens, 184cm, 83kg)
Dunstan is a strong, hard-to-move midfielder who can be depended upon. Keeps his feet, wins clearances and makes life easier for his teammates. He'll get the footy, then find them. He's not fast - that's been the biggest knock on him - but you'd pick him knowing how hard he's going to work to improve everything. A really good player, in most areas. Could captain an AFL team one day.
Who will pick him? He'll probably be picked in the teens somewhere. GWS, Carlton, Geelong and Sydney are all chances. If not, won't get far into the 20s.
23. MATT CROUCH
(Nth Ballarat Rebels, 183cm, 80kg)
Crouch is ferocious. He throws himself at the ball and is often the last player up. Turned up to the combine with a black eye courtesy of older brother Brad; from all reports, it was payback. He's neither a great runner nor a brilliant kick but he's worked on both and his kicking is nothing to worry about. He gets most of his (many) possessions when the heat is on, and when he only has a split second to see what he should do. Wherever he ends up that club's supporters are sure to love him from day one.
Who will pick him? He's difficult to place. Could really go anywhere from the mid teens to the mid-20s. Will appeal to Port Adelaide, Brisbane and Hawthorn, if he gets that far.
24. GEORGE HEWETT
(North Adelaide, 185cm, 74kg)
Hewett is another player you can trust among the hurly-burly. At stoppages he stood out because he was able to get his arms up and to the ball, rather than wait for it to reach him. Seems to find time and make quick decisions, picking the right times to take a few quick steps or to move the ball on more more swiftly. A smart, proactive player.
Who will pick him? He's in the mix for a few clubs, and it will depend on which other players are around. Could really go anywhere from 20-35, with both Adelaide clubs a chance.
25. DARCY GARDINER
(Geelong Falcons, 194cm, 86kg)
Gardiner's the standout key back in this group. He's extremely competitive and plays fairly close to the edge. Despises being beaten and is a close checker who doesn't like giving opponents too much room to move. Loves to spoil, but likes having the ball in his hands too. He's not huge, so it remains to be seen how he'll go playing on 200-centimetre forwards. But he'll give you a contest, every time.
Who will pick him? He's a top-30 pick, it will just depend on clubs' priorities and how many midfielders get out of the teens. Should go somewhere in the first 30.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-lads-most-likely-20131116-2xo46.html#ixzz2kpRHeFMH
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Emma Quayle has corrected the online version to say three live picks ...
"The Tigers will be reasonably minor players this year, taking just three live picks."
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/clubbyclub-guide-to-the-2013-afl-draft-20131115-2xm5h.html#ixzz2kn6N55R0
reckon she needs to do it again. i know hes no champion but aaron edwards is on our list.
geez when did matt arnot become a small forward. lots of players at a lot of clubs in the wrong category. just look at adelaide when has otten ever been a medium sized defender yet a similar type and sized player in shaw is a tall??? or tom lynch a medium sized forward. not having a go at her she does damn well but surely there are some constant criteria for where you place players in categories
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arnot is a half forward stuff in the senior team at the moment
as much as someone would like to see arnot played as a center or rover the coach clearly likes him off the forward line
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arnot is a half forward stuff in the senior team at the moment
as much as someone would like to see arnot played as a center or rover the coach clearly likes him off the forward line
Will be the new Tucky
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How so Mrakov?
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How so Mrakov?
How not so?
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just my 2 cents worth..
he has a build that's the opposite of tucky.
At this stage he has a tendancy to barrel into his opponent,and sending him into orbit,whereas tucky's sole object was the ball.
Don't think hes as good as tucky overhead
I agree its early days for Arnott,but was just interested in how you coupled him with tucky that's all
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just my 2 cents worth..
he has a build that's the opposite of tucky.
At this stage he has a tendancy to barrel into his opponent,and sending him into orbit,whereas tucky's sole object was the ball.
Don't think hes as good as tucky overhead
I agree its early days for Arnott,but was just interested in how you coupled him with tucky that's all
Well Tuck retired and imo was best 22 and now I see Arnott taking his spot in it
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Arnott has better skills than Tuck ever had. He's more of an enforcer than an extractor at this stage though.Throughout his career he's always been written off by people whenever he's been elevated to the next level but has always proven them wrong - one of those players who gets better the higher the standard of the competition he plays in.
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arnot is a half forward stuff in the senior team at the moment
as much as someone would like to see arnot played as a center or rover the coach clearly likes him off the forward line
was very much a defender as a junior, and taken as one who would hopefully transition into a mid. id describe him as a sml def/mid. just because we may be playing and trying them in different roles it doesnt mean they are going to be any good in it.
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arnot is a half forward stuff in the senior team at the moment
as much as someone would like to see arnot played as a center or rover the coach clearly likes him off the forward line
was very much a defender as a junior, and taken as one who would hopefully transition into a mid. id describe him as a sml def/mid. just because we may be playing and trying them in different roles it doesnt mean they are going to be any good in it.
Not from what i've been told.
"midfield and onball"
I suspect my source watches more Oakleigh games than you, my old chum.
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arnot is a half forward stuff in the senior team at the moment
as much as someone would like to see arnot played as a center or rover the coach clearly likes him off the forward line
was very much a defender as a junior, and taken as one who would hopefully transition into a mid. id describe him as a sml def/mid. just because we may be playing and trying them in different roles it doesnt mean they are going to be any good in it.
Not from what i've been told.
"midfield and onball"
I suspect my source watches more Oakleigh games than you, my old chum.
good on your source old chum but i will stick with what i actually know.
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no disrespect intended.
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so much angst over an average player who is a 25 to 30 (at best) player on our list :cheers
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so much angst over an average player who is a 25 to 30 (at best) player on our list :cheers
We need our 25-to-30 players on our list to be better than just average if we want to push up into the top 2-4 teams.
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arnot is a half forward stuff in the senior team at the moment
as much as someone would like to see arnot played as a center or rover the coach clearly likes him off the forward line
was very much a defender as a junior, and taken as one who would hopefully transition into a mid. id describe him as a sml def/mid. just because we may be playing and trying them in different roles it doesnt mean they are going to be any good in it.
Not from what i've been told.
"midfield and onball"
I suspect my source watches more Oakleigh games than you, my old chum.
From what I saw of him in 2011 he was a mid/hff
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i saw him once believe it or not and i wasnt paying much attention. yes he played some footy forward managed 8 goals played 20 games. he either didnt play much forward or hes a lousy forward.and that includes goals he kicked while in the midfield.
when we took him it was a mad scramble to find any thing about him as he was a real smokey id be surprised if anyone had him being taken outside of the rfc.
every bit of information and reports i can find on him he playerd and was talked about as a defender inside mid who wins contested ball. im not into he said i said type arguments im happy to concede i coulld be wrong having only seen him play once but i doubt every other source i looked at is.
if wrong i apologise to all its no big deal.
for now i will stick with my opinion on the matter until it can be shown otherwise.
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arnot is a half forward stuff in the senior team at the moment
as much as someone would like to see arnot played as a center or rover the coach clearly likes him off the forward line
was very much a defender as a junior, and taken as one who would hopefully transition into a mid. id describe him as a sml def/mid. just because we may be playing and trying them in different roles it doesnt mean they are going to be any good in it.
Not from what i've been told.
"midfield and onball"
I suspect my source watches more Oakleigh games than you, my old chum.
From what I saw of him in 2011 he was a mid/hff
Old clawsky is clearly wrong on this one.
I am trying spare his feeling.
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Precisely how I see it, zac jones will be the get out of jail card
Plus he's a Ranga, shd fit in well, how many have we got now?
dan, vlas, Jack, Arnot, Elton, Morris, Conca, Hardwick any more?
Maybe get Ling in as an assistant coach
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WTF is the draft on at night !? Andy D ruins footy again
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arnot is a half forward stuff in the senior team at the moment
as much as someone would like to see arnot played as a center or rover the coach clearly likes him off the forward line
was very much a defender as a junior, and taken as one who would hopefully transition into a mid. id describe him as a sml def/mid. just because we may be playing and trying them in different roles it doesnt mean they are going to be any good in it.
Not from what i've been told.
"midfield and onball"
I suspect my source watches more Oakleigh games than you, my old chum.
From what I saw of him in 2011 he was a mid/hff
Old clawsky is clearly wrong on this one.
I am trying spare his feeling.
no need to spare my feelings if im wrong i will admit it gladly. what are we debating here anyway. seems to me he played as a defender and a mid at oakley.
clearly we took him as a contested inside mid. id agree that that is what he is.
i disagree with him being labelled a fwd. thats what quayle has labelled him. to me she is wrong.
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arnot is a half forward stuff in the senior team at the moment
as much as someone would like to see arnot played as a center or rover the coach clearly likes him off the forward line
was very much a defender as a junior, and taken as one who would hopefully transition into a mid. id describe him as a sml def/mid. just because we may be playing and trying them in different roles it doesnt mean they are going to be any good in it.
Not from what i've been told.
"midfield and onball"
I suspect my source watches more Oakleigh games than you, my old chum.
From what I saw of him in 2011 he was a mid/hff
Old clawsky is clearly wrong on this one.
I am trying spare his feeling.
seems to me he played as a defender and a mid at oakley.
No wonder you have only seen him play once claw. Have you been putting that suburb in your GPS and ending up at a sunglasses factory everytime? ;D