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Title: Rookie draft - picks 11, 27 & 42
Post by: Judge Roughneck on November 21, 2013, 10:54:37 PM
 :gotigers

for those 'in the know' junior watches

who were the higher rated potential draftees to miss out?

After only one 18 year old selection, I would hope we dont go all mature players in the rookie draft
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: one-eyed on November 21, 2013, 11:03:49 PM
FJ said we will have 3 picks in the rookie draft.

Presumably Thomas, Batsanis, Bathie, Michaelides and a couple of kids who fell through the National Draft that FJ thinks are capable will be on our radar.
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: the claw on November 21, 2013, 11:19:00 PM
three forwards and a ruckman to date.  still need to address the need for genuine mids.  inside/out to replace tuck and lonergan and quality outside /in to force glass half fulls like grigg and edwards out of the team.
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Diocletian on November 21, 2013, 11:29:26 PM
Chris Cain surely ......and someone quick.


Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Rampstar on November 21, 2013, 11:54:37 PM
PACE PACE AND THEN MORE PACE! We need to recruit at least 1 speedster to add to our midfield.
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Phil Mrakov on November 21, 2013, 11:56:45 PM
Why bother with the rookie draft? Spud factory.
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Judge Roughneck on November 22, 2013, 12:24:59 AM
Mitch thorp
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Diocletian on November 22, 2013, 01:58:17 AM
Few more that missed out that are worth a look:

Dwayne Wilson
Darcy Cameron
Ben Sokol
Eli Templeton
James Battersby
Nick Bourke
Shane Nelson
Cameron Conlon
Joel Tippett
Willy Rioli
Ben Rioli

Travis Tuck
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: tigs2011 on November 22, 2013, 02:00:57 AM
Nelson's too small
Tippett is an athlete not a footballer
Tuck can't kick for poo (in fairness neither can Matt Thomas and we probably get him  ::) )

Add to your list

Darcy Hourigan
Alex Spina
Isaiah Miller
Nick Favretto
James Toohey
Charlie Cameron
Campbell Combe
James Tsitas
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Diocletian on November 22, 2013, 02:20:49 AM
Nelson's too small
Tippett is an athlete not a footballer
Tuck can't kick for pooe (in fairness neither can Matt Thomas and we probably get him  ::) )

Add to your list

Darcy Hourigan
Alex Spina
Isaiah Miller
Nick Favretto
James Toohey
Charlie Cameron
Campbell Combe
James Tsitas

People said the same about Tippett's brother for years - we badly need cover for Chaplin, no-one is big/strong enough bar Griffith who'll never be a defender and Rance is as useless as t@s on a bull at fullback.

Nelson's easily good enough for a rookie spot, better than Nahas. Hell I still think Willie Wheeler deserved a shot. We gave Robbie Hicks a go and Nelson's ten times better.

Tuck only needs to emulate his brother, not Deledio or Cotchin, would take him over Thomas everyday.

Didn't know Tsitas missed out - we definitely should be all over him.

Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Judge Roughneck on November 22, 2013, 02:25:15 AM
Astbury and McIntosh should be able cover Chaplin now.

What rucks are left
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Danog on November 22, 2013, 02:28:55 AM
Astbury and McIntosh should be able cover Chaplin now.

What rucks are left

Conlon and Cameron are the main ones.  Collingwood were going to take Conlon with pick 65 but changed their mind at the last minute to take Langdon.  His knees are pretty rooted, but he was looking like being a top 20 pick last year.  They probably still want to pick him, but only want to risk a 1 year contract, so they'll look to rookie him.
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Danog on November 22, 2013, 02:30:57 AM
Nelson's too small
Tippett is an athlete not a footballer
Tuck can't kick for pooe (in fairness neither can Matt Thomas and we probably get him  ::) )

Add to your list

Darcy Hourigan
Alex Spina
Isaiah Miller
Nick Favretto
James Toohey
Charlie Cameron
Campbell Combe
James Tsitas

People said the same about Tippett's brother for years - we badly need cover for Chaplin, no-one is big/strong enough bar Griffith who'll never be a defender and Rance is as useless as t@s on a bull at fullback.

Nelson's easily good enough for a rookie spot, better than Nahas. Hell I still think Willie Wheeler deserved a shot. We gave Robbie Hicks a go and Nelson's ten times better.

Tuck only needs to emulate his brother, not Deledio or Cotchin, would take him over Thomas everyday.

Didn't know Tsitas missed out - we definitely should be all over him.

Tsitas has great heart and work ethic, but everything about his game is vanilla.
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Diocletian on November 22, 2013, 02:33:42 AM
Astbury and McIntosh should be able cover Chaplin now.

What rucks are left

Astbury is cover for Grimes. McIntosh is a hbf/mid.

Rucks -

Darcy Cameron , Cameron Conlon (R/F), Bathie from Geelong who's been invited to train with us.

Renouf if we're desperate and stupid.

Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Diocletian on November 22, 2013, 03:06:32 AM
Nelson's too small
Tippett is an athlete not a footballer
Tuck can't kick for pooe (in fairness neither can Matt Thomas and we probably get him  ::) )

Add to your list

Darcy Hourigan
Alex Spina
Isaiah Miller
Nick Favretto
James Toohey
Charlie Cameron
Campbell Combe
James Tsitas

People said the same about Tippett's brother for years - we badly need cover for Chaplin, no-one is big/strong enough bar Griffith who'll never be a defender and Rance is as useless as t@s on a bull at fullback.

Nelson's easily good enough for a rookie spot, better than Nahas. Hell I still think Willie Wheeler deserved a shot. We gave Robbie Hicks a go and Nelson's ten times better.

Tuck only needs to emulate his brother, not Deledio or Cotchin, would take him over Thomas everyday.

Didn't know Tsitas missed out - we definitely should be all over him.

Tsitas has great heart and work ethic, but everything about his game is vanilla.


More than good enough to rookie IMO. Clean hands, endurance and above all, good football nous....a quality we definitely need more of.....




Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: tigs2011 on November 22, 2013, 03:12:51 AM
People said the same about Tippett's brother for years - we badly need cover for Chaplin, no-one is big/strong enough bar Griffith who'll never be a defender and Rance is as useless as t@s on a bull at fullback.

Nelson's easily good enough for a rookie spot, better than Nahas. Hell I still think Willie Wheeler deserved a shot. We gave Robbie Hicks a go and Nelson's ten times better.

Tuck only needs to emulate his brother, not Deledio or Cotchin, would take him over Thomas everyday.

Didn't know Tsitas missed out - we definitely should be all over him.
I don't think Tippett is big and strong enough to play Chaplin's role tbh. His defensive game is ordinary.

Nelson has too small a frame. Agree he's better than Nahas but that doesn't mean much. There are better options for mine. Combe and Tsitas for example, both have the frames to make an impact at AFL level and both have solid attributes. The types you can turn into role players off the rookie list.

I'd prefer neither. Tuck isn't the same as his brother IMO. Thomas has played better at SANFL level than Tuck. Neither of them are up to AFL level.
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Diocletian on November 22, 2013, 03:43:46 AM
People said the same about Tippett's brother for years - we badly need cover for Chaplin, no-one is big/strong enough bar Griffith who'll never be a defender and Rance is as useless as t@s on a bull at fullback.

Nelson's easily good enough for a rookie spot, better than Nahas. Hell I still think Willie Wheeler deserved a shot. We gave Robbie Hicks a go and Nelson's ten times better.

Tuck only needs to emulate his brother, not Deledio or Cotchin, would take him over Thomas everyday.

Didn't know Tsitas missed out - we definitely should be all over him.
I don't think Tippett is big and strong enough to play Chaplin's role tbh. His defensive game is ordinary.

Nelson has too small a frame. Agree he's better than Nahas but that doesn't mean much. There are better options for mine. Combe and Tsitas for example, both have the frames to make an impact at AFL level and both have solid attributes. The types you can turn into role players off the rookie list.

I'd prefer neither. Tuck isn't the same as his brother IMO. Thomas has played better at SANFL level than Tuck. Neither of them are up to AFL level.

Tippett's not a hulk like his brother but he's good enough size and can still get bigger. We badly need depth in that area and he's relatively experienced having been in the system for 7 years and is at that make or break last chance age for a KPP. A desperation pick perhaps but there's just really nobody to cover Chaplin at all IMO.

If it came down to a choice between Nelson & Tsitas then yes I'd take Tsitas. I'd take Templeton over both though.

Travis is poor man's Shane it's true  - but he'll only be depth off the rookie list - his disposal is no worse than Shane's ever was and never gets down to the consistently appalling level of Thomas' -  Thomas is all crash & bash and nothing else - Tuck at least has some other qualties that are at least serviceable. Would hardly be devastated if we took neither of them myself but Travis is at least worth a look IMO.

Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: tigs2011 on November 22, 2013, 04:19:37 AM
My hope is that with 2 x 23yo's we take kids in the rookie draft. Depth is good now.

Templeton
Bourke
Favretto
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: one-eyed on November 22, 2013, 10:46:16 AM
Rookie Draft preview: Who will earn a second chance?

Callum Twomey 
afl.com.au
November 22, 2013



Here's some names who will be in contention next Wednesday morning.
 
Eli Templeton: The Tasmanian midfielder was unlucky to miss out but runs well, kicks well and had a good season. Has some AFL qualities.
 
James Battersby: A half-back flanker who had a great under-18 championships for South Australia. Collects possessions, is solid with the ball and has a mature frame.
 
Darcy Hourigan: Won All Australian honours after a standout NAB AFL Under-18 Championships campaign as a key forward, kicking 16 goals. Big and strong.
 
Kayne Turner: Linked to North Melbourne and the Western Bulldogs in the lead-up to the draft, the young hard-at-it midfielder remains a chance to be selected next week.
 
Blaine Johnson: Thumping right-footer who presents hard at the ball and sticks marks. Kicked 11 goals for Western Australia at the under-18 championships.
 
Fraser Fort: A tall defender who made some progress at the end of the season. Can also shift forward and kicked 14 goals at TAC Cup level. Is competitive and stands 196cm, a good size for a developing player.
 
Darcy Cameron: The ruckman was seen as a chance to get selected at the national draft but missed out. His best chance is as a rookie, with clubs more likely to take one in that spot and let them develop.
 
Matthew Sully: Mature-ager who improved in the VFL this year for Geelong. At 20 clubs know what they're getting and have seen his development in 2013. Powerful key defender. 

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-22/who-will-earn-a-second-chance
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Judge Roughneck on November 22, 2013, 11:25:54 AM
Astbury and McIntosh should be able cover Chaplin now.

What rucks are left

Astbury is cover for Grimes. McIntosh is a hbf/mid.

Rucks -

Darcy Cameron , Cameron Conlon (R/F), Bathie from Geelong who's been invited to train with us.

Renouf if we're desperate and stupid.

Darrou is not required?
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: tigs2011 on November 22, 2013, 11:46:18 AM
Astbury and McIntosh should be able cover Chaplin now.

What rucks are left

Astbury is cover for Grimes. McIntosh is a hbf/mid.

Rucks -

Darcy Cameron , Cameron Conlon (R/F), Bathie from Geelong who's been invited to train with us.

Renouf if we're desperate and stupid.

Darrou is not required?
Big Dazzaaaaaaaaa  :clapping :clapping
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Diocletian on November 22, 2013, 02:29:29 PM
Astbury and McIntosh should be able cover Chaplin now.

What rucks are left

Astbury is cover for Grimes. McIntosh is a hbf/mid.

Rucks -

Darcy Cameron , Cameron Conlon (R/F), Bathie from Geelong who's been invited to train with us.

Renouf if we're desperate and stupid.

Darrou is not required?

He's absolutely required and should be upgraded IMO, but he's not cover for Chaplin. Josh Gibson type.

Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Judge Roughneck on November 22, 2013, 02:48:52 PM
Grimes -> Darrou
AlexRance -> mcintosh
Chaplin -> astbury


Or there abouts
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Diocletian on November 22, 2013, 03:58:42 PM
Astbury's not fullback material, he's barely backline material period. Another one playing at the wrong end IMO.
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Phil Mrakov on November 22, 2013, 04:05:23 PM
Why didn't we just get Gordon and Lloyd in the rookie draft ?
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: tigs2011 on November 22, 2013, 04:09:56 PM
Why didn't we just get Gordon and Lloyd in the rookie draft ?
You guarantee they'd be there?  ;)
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: torch on November 22, 2013, 04:14:21 PM
Why didn't we just get Gordon and Lloyd in the rookie draft ?

Exactly! That is exactly what we should have done!
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Phil Mrakov on November 22, 2013, 04:21:14 PM
Why didn't we just get Gordon and Lloyd in the rookie draft ?
You guarantee they'd be there?  ;)

Yes. They would've been there.
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Diocletian on November 22, 2013, 05:11:37 PM
Why didn't we just get Gordon and Lloyd in the rookie draft ?
You guarantee they'd be there?  ;)

Yes. They would've been there.

Agree.
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Judge Roughneck on November 22, 2013, 05:39:47 PM
Which players from 51 onwards u gents upset we didn't get ?
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Phil Mrakov on November 22, 2013, 05:50:39 PM
Which players from 51 onwards u gents upset we didn't get ?

I don't know but nobody wanted Gordon or Lloyd. They only applied for the draft for poos and giggles.
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Diocletian on November 22, 2013, 07:27:17 PM
Which players from 51 onwards u gents upset we didn't get ?

Byrne-Jones, Holman, Grey, Sicily, Marsh. Even if we'd taken just one of those, preferably Byrne-Jones, and just one of Gordon & Lloyd I would'n't have been too fussed.

Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: RedanTiger on November 22, 2013, 07:42:17 PM
Which players from 51 onwards u gents upset we didn't get ?

Byrne-Jones, Holman, Grey, Sicily, Marsh. Even if we'd taken just one of those, preferably Byrne-Jones, and just one of Gordon & Lloyd I would'n't have been too fussed.

Will be interested to see how Holman goes.
Played in the GVFL premiership team for Kyabram and kicked 3 goals.
MVP for Vic country in the Nationals.
His younger brother, Tim, is better though. Played CHB and was BOG in the GF.
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: tigs2011 on November 22, 2013, 07:58:14 PM
Which players from 51 onwards u gents upset we didn't get ?

I don't know but nobody wanted Gordon or Lloyd. They only applied for the draft for poos and giggles.
stick to talking about other clubs membership numbers.  ::)
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: tigs2011 on November 22, 2013, 07:59:33 PM
Why didn't we just get Gordon and Lloyd in the rookie draft ?
You guarantee they'd be there?  ;)

Yes. They would've been there.
of course they would. Clueless :whistle
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Penelope on November 22, 2013, 08:04:56 PM
The idea that the recruiters simply picked the players that they rate highest of those available obviously never enters some people minds.
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: RedanTiger on November 22, 2013, 08:33:07 PM
The idea that the recruiters simply picked the players that they rate highest of those available obviously never enters some people minds.

And the idea that recruiters might get it wrong obviously never enters some peoples minds, despite evidence to the contrary every year.
It's an opinion, everyone's got one. Nobody is always right. Very few are always wrong.
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Penelope on November 22, 2013, 08:52:55 PM
i'm talking about the strange comments about how the players we selected would still be there for later picks and the weird logic behind these comments.

what are you referring to?
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: the claw on November 22, 2013, 09:33:24 PM
Why didn't we just get Gordon and Lloyd in the rookie draft ?
we could still have taken them  both at 66 and one of the picks we passed at. to enable this to happen we just keep petterd on as a rookie.

geez at pick 50

marsh, hourigan, templeton, conlon, darcy, sokal just to name a few. woulkd have been rapt to give any one of them a go.

would have loved for us to give sully a go with one of the later picks.  hope we look to rookie him. would give josh waldhuter a spot as a rookie as well.both mature players.

for me i wanted scily or marsh at 50. so   marsh at 50. thing is we could have had sicily at 50 and marsh at 66. anyway marsh at 50 and   the two mature types we took at 66  gordon, and use 78 on lloyd.  it wasnt hard to do it only needed a sml bit of tinkering.

it is interesting as far as i can see only matt fuller at 42 and the two we took gordon and lloyd were mature players taken in the entire draft excluding rookie upogrades. with this in mind im certain both gordon and lloyd would have been there much later or in the rookie draft. there was few live picks after pick 49 anyway.

imo the way we have gone about the entire trade and nd period has been poor. we seem to make the same sort of mistakes over and over every yr.


come the rookie draft one of hourigan or templeton would be great. two of hourigan templeton conlon darcy and sokal even better, unlikely.  use the last pick on sully or waldhuter or chris cain.
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: bojangles17 on November 22, 2013, 09:40:41 PM
Why didn't we just get Gordon and Lloyd in the rookie draft ?

Lol nice try, like they wouldn't have been snapped up by then, pretty shrewd work by the tigers, they wouldn't have lasted long just quietly :shh
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Phil Mrakov on November 22, 2013, 09:49:42 PM
Which players from 51 onwards u gents upset we didn't get ?

I don't know but nobody wanted Gordon or Lloyd. They only applied for the draft for poos and giggles.
stick to talking about other clubs membership numbers.  ::)

Who wanted them then big guy ?
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Phil Mrakov on November 22, 2013, 09:51:47 PM
Why didn't we just get Gordon and Lloyd in the rookie draft ?

Lol nice try, like they wouldn't have been snapped up by then, pretty shrewd work by the tigers, they wouldn't have lasted long just quietly :shh

Bull wackers
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on November 22, 2013, 10:03:59 PM
Would love the recruiters to go for maximum speed and ability:
1. Dwayne Wilson
2. Richard Bourne
3. Clayton McCartney


Actually McCartney is a must now that we have Lennon!







;
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: the claw on November 22, 2013, 10:07:11 PM
Why didn't we just get Gordon and Lloyd in the rookie draft ?

Lol nice try, like they wouldn't have been snapped up by then, pretty shrewd work by the tigers, they wouldn't have lasted long just quietly :shh

Bull wackers
lol bull whackers. id call em sheep meself if you think about it it much more apt.
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Phil Mrakov on November 22, 2013, 10:10:32 PM
Why didn't we just get Gordon and Lloyd in the rookie draft ?

Lol nice try, like they wouldn't have been snapped up by then, pretty shrewd work by the tigers, they wouldn't have lasted long just quietly :shh

Bull wackers
lol bull whackers. id call em sheep meself if you think about it it much more apt.

 :bow
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: RedanTiger on November 22, 2013, 10:38:11 PM
i'm talking about the strange comments about how the players we selected would still be there for later picks and the weird logic behind these comments.

what are you referring to?

That people don't think that recruiters picked the players they rate highest.

The idea that the recruiters simply picked the players that they rate highest of those available obviously never enters some people minds.

Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: tigs2011 on November 23, 2013, 02:11:32 AM
Would love the recruiters to go for maximum speed and ability:
1. Dwayne Wilson
2. Richard Bourne
3. Clayton McCartney


Actually McCartney is a must now that we have Lennon!







;
The ol' "Reverse Rendell"  :shh
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: tigs2011 on November 23, 2013, 02:12:08 AM
Why didn't we just get Gordon and Lloyd in the rookie draft ?

Lol nice try, like they wouldn't have been snapped up by then, pretty shrewd work by the tigers, they wouldn't have lasted long just quietly :shh

Bull wackers
lol bull whackers. id call em sheep meself if you think about it it much more apt.
So we're sheep if we like the picks?
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Judge Roughneck on November 23, 2013, 03:01:02 AM
If we had redel

Wed have garlett.

:(
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: 1965 on November 23, 2013, 06:22:42 AM

 :thumbsup

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2013-07-15/draft-prospect-eli-templeton
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Penelope on November 23, 2013, 09:13:18 AM
i'm talking about the strange comments about how the players we selected would still be there for later picks and the weird logic behind these comments.

what are you referring to?

That people don't think that recruiters picked the players they rate highest.

The idea that the recruiters simply picked the players that they rate highest of those available obviously never enters some people minds.
:huh3
try again when sober?
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Diocletian on November 23, 2013, 03:48:30 PM
Clubs quite often go for needs over best available at the lower end of the draft.

Why I say if we considered Petterd a forward like we should, then a player like Byrne-Jones would've possibly been considered more of a need than a player like Gordon.

Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: tigs2011 on November 23, 2013, 04:01:48 PM
Clubs quite often go for needs over best available at the lower end of the draft.

Why I say if we considered Petterd a forward like we should, then a player like Byrne-Jones would've possibly been considered more of a need than a player like Gordon.
We actually just took the guys we rated. Wasn't picked on needs. Heard we would have gone Langdon over Lloyd so that throws that theory out.
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Diocletian on November 23, 2013, 04:34:50 PM
Clubs quite often go for needs over best available at the lower end of the draft.

Why I say if we considered Petterd a forward like we should, then a player like Byrne-Jones would've possibly been considered more of a need than a player like Gordon.
We actually just took the guys we rated. Wasn't picked on needs. Heard we would have gone Langdon over Lloyd so that throws that theory out.

We were definitely considering Byrne-Jones though, never said it was anything more than a theory as to why we didn't, but I would like have been a fly on the wall for the discussion about it and know what was said at the table just before we read out Gordon's name instead.
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: the claw on November 23, 2013, 07:08:47 PM
Clubs quite often go for needs over best available at the lower end of the draft.

Why I say if we considered Petterd a forward like we should, then a player like Byrne-Jones would've possibly been considered more of a need than a player like Gordon.
We actually just took the guys we rated. Wasn't picked on needs. Heard we would have gone Langdon over Lloyd so that throws that theory out.
that all fine i dont think anyone is criticising the players we took. more that the feeling is we could and should have have gone about it differently.

we have effectively gone
12 lennon 18 yo fwd.
32 hampson 26yo ruck
50 gordon 24yo fwd
66 lloyd 24yo fwd
r/e petterd 25 yo im not sure what,  they play him in defence.

right from the outset.
 delistings we  didnt cut hard enough,  and those that went walked.
 thru trade  didnt go after anyone and paid way overs for a 26 yr old ruckman who is essentially still trying to establish himself with better options available. we also cant be bothered offering a high quality sml forward a contract but then chase unproven forwards with nd picks thats hilarious.
 to  the nd where after trading out of the second round we use just one nd pick on a kid.  taking  mature players  with nd picks that most other clubs use on kids and wait to take these types later.
to round it off we promise petterd we will promote him when clearly we should not have thus preventing us targeting any good kid that may have slipped.
ppfftt list management its still poor.

Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: yellowandback on November 23, 2013, 07:45:27 PM
Hey Claw, you're required on another thread mate.
Al has put one together on the 2013 draft - it seems tailor made for your contribution.
In case you missed it. :gotigers
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: bojangles17 on November 23, 2013, 08:20:23 PM
My mail is we have 3 selections with Thomas  in our sights  :shh
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: the claw on November 23, 2013, 08:39:28 PM
Hey Claw, you're required on another thread mate.
Al has put one together on the 2013 draft - it seems tailor made for your contribution.
In case you missed it. :gotigers
na i reckon my contribution thus far  on this board has made it perfectly clear who i wanted and where. if al cant be bothered reading whats already been said thats his problem.

besides im no fan of als i dont know why i would want to contribute to any thread he starts up.
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Penelope on November 23, 2013, 08:56:35 PM
 :'(

i read your posts claw, i just want to see if you can narrow it down to one name per pick, just as the recruiters have to.

seems not.
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: the claw on November 23, 2013, 09:40:04 PM
:'(

i read your posts claw, i just want to see if you can narrow it down to one name per pick, just as the recruiters have to.

seems not.
yep seems not.
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Penelope on November 23, 2013, 11:35:56 PM
sweet, don't have to wait 2 or 3 years.
Instant result.
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Gigantor on November 24, 2013, 08:28:38 AM
The club made the de listings it deemed necessary.I think we should all take a deep breath at this point in time and place some faith in our football department.
The RFC have been on an upaward curve for the past 4 years both on field and off field,lets hold fire on the clubs decision making for the time being .
Its fine and great reading to see people suggest names and reasons behind them,but lets not lambaste the club,they are going dam busters at the minute
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: the claw on November 24, 2013, 12:54:19 PM
My mail is we have 3 selections with Thomas  in our sights  :shh
wouldnt be surprised. locked and loaded for sure better make the gf or else.
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Bengal on November 24, 2013, 01:33:54 PM
Why didn't we just get Gordon and Lloyd in the rookie draft ?
we could still have taken them  both at 66 and one of the picks we passed at. to enable this to happen we just keep petterd on as a rookie.

geez at pick 50

marsh, hourigan, templeton, conlon, darcy, sokal just to name a few. woulkd have been rapt to give any one of them a go.

would have loved for us to give sully a go with one of the later picks.  hope we look to rookie him. would give josh waldhuter a spot as a rookie as well.both mature players.

for me i wanted scily or marsh at 50. so   marsh at 50. thing is we could have had sicily at 50 and marsh at 66. anyway marsh at 50 and   the two mature types we took at 66  gordon, and use 78 on lloyd.  it wasnt hard to do it only needed a sml bit of tinkering.

it is interesting as far as i can see only matt fuller at 42 and the two we took gordon and lloyd were mature players taken in the entire draft excluding rookie upogrades. with this in mind im certain both gordon and lloyd would have been there much later or in the rookie draft. there was few live picks after pick 49 anyway.

imo the way we have gone about the entire trade and nd period has been poor. we seem to make the same sort of mistakes over and over every yr.


come the rookie draft one of hourigan or templeton would be great. two of hourigan templeton conlon darcy and sokal even better, unlikely.  use the last pick on sully or waldhuter or chris cain.

Yep those same mistakes saw us finally make the finals..  We have plenty of kids. We need mature age depth.   We still have one of the youngest starting 22.
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Chuck17 on November 24, 2013, 02:26:39 PM
My mail is we have 3 selections with Thomas  in our sights  :shh
wouldnt be surprised. locked and loaded for sure better make the gf or else.

Undefeated too please
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: tigs2011 on November 24, 2013, 02:37:00 PM
My mail is we have 3 selections with Thomas  in our sights  :shh
wouldnt be surprised. locked and loaded for sure better make the gf or else.

Undefeated too please
Yessssss big man. That's the spirit...if only the club took a leaf out of this book but inevitably they won't because they are pea-hearts.  :banghead :banghead
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Francois Jackson on November 24, 2013, 05:19:49 PM
Why didn't we just get Gordon and Lloyd in the rookie draft ?
we could still have taken them  both at 66 and one of the picks we passed at. to enable this to happen we just keep petterd on as a rookie.

geez at pick 50

marsh, hourigan, templeton, conlon, darcy, sokal just to name a few. woulkd have been rapt to give any one of them a go.

would have loved for us to give sully a go with one of the later picks.  hope we look to rookie him. would give josh waldhuter a spot as a rookie as well.both mature players.

for me i wanted scily or marsh at 50. so   marsh at 50. thing is we could have had sicily at 50 and marsh at 66. anyway marsh at 50 and   the two mature types we took at 66  gordon, and use 78 on lloyd.  it wasnt hard to do it only needed a sml bit of tinkering.

it is interesting as far as i can see only matt fuller at 42 and the two we took gordon and lloyd were mature players taken in the entire draft excluding rookie upogrades. with this in mind im certain both gordon and lloyd would have been there much later or in the rookie draft. there was few live picks after pick 49 anyway.

imo the way we have gone about the entire trade and nd period has been poor. we seem to make the same sort of mistakes over and over every yr.


come the rookie draft one of hourigan or templeton would be great. two of hourigan templeton conlon darcy and sokal even better, unlikely.  use the last pick on sully or waldhuter or chris cain.

Yep those same mistakes saw us finally make the finals..  We have plenty of kids. We need mature age depth.   We still have one of the youngest starting 22.

You left the part that we were embarrassed by a side who didn't even make the finals.

I wouldn't be snapping one off about making the finals this year mate, let's wait till we perform better than that rubbish.

Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Penelope on November 24, 2013, 05:28:12 PM
yeah, lets look at one game rather than a whole season. That is a much more accurate gauge.
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Francois Jackson on November 24, 2013, 07:02:07 PM
your only as good as your last game pal.
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Smokey on November 24, 2013, 07:28:01 PM
your only as good as your last game pal.

Actually Dan, I would have thought you're only as good as your current game.  The last game is already history and even the premiers had their share of bad ones.  To learn and improve on your last game is the challenge.
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Francois Jackson on November 24, 2013, 08:07:13 PM
your only as good as your last game pal.

Actually Dan, I would have thought you're only as good as your current game.  The last game is already history and even the premiers had their share of bad ones.  To learn and improve on your last game is the challenge.

fair point but thats all that sticks in my mind and im pretty sure it would for the players/coaches also.

Hope the result is not history and they take it into R1 and smash those cheating pricks.
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Chuck17 on November 24, 2013, 08:18:47 PM
Hmmmm R2?
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Smokey on November 24, 2013, 08:25:58 PM
your only as good as your last game pal.

Actually Dan, I would have thought you're only as good as your current game.  The last game is already history and even the premiers had their share of bad ones.  To learn and improve on your last game is the challenge.

fair point but thats all that sticks in my mind and im pretty sure it would for the players/coaches also.

Hope the result is not history and they take it into R1 and smash those cheating pricks.

Yep, I'm with you on that!   :thumbsup
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Francois Jackson on November 24, 2013, 11:15:43 PM
Hmmmm R2?

Your right

Forgot about GC

Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: one-eyed on November 26, 2013, 02:52:31 AM
Paige Cardona has Richmond linked to James Toohey in tomorrow's rookie draft.


James Toohey

(http://www.scpaige.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/James-Toohey-187x300.jpg)

Club: Oakleigh Chargers
D.O.B: 27/3/9
Height: 197cm
Weight: 96kgs
Position: Key Defender/Forward
Plays Like: Ben Reid

An absolutely outstanding year for Oakleigh Chargers saw key defender, James Toohey take home the coveted best and fairest award. Th 197cm versatile big man was once upon a time a key forward, however was pushed into defense this year to ramp up his draft prospects. Toohey is every bit an athlete; he has a fantastic engine, a big endurance base that almost always sees him overrun his direct opponent as he loves to get higher up the ground. Up forward, Toohey has a whopping left foot, and an accurate one at that. He reads the ball well in flight, and his vertical leap often sores over opponents taking big contested grabs. But since shifting to defense this year, Toohey displayed he was able to play a key lock down role, whilst also go with the center half forwards, often wearing them down and playing a physical style of play. If this wasn’t enough, Toohey also moved into the midfield, where he stood out and was unmatched in the period he spent through the middle. His running game and marking around the ground was near unstoppable, presenting a precise kicking efficiency and the ability to win the ball ground level. Toohey averaged 15 disposals this year, whilst also running a quick 3.05 sec 20m sprint at the state combine. in October.

Who’s Looking? Richmond took to Toohey with warmth in the lead up to the draft, and could deliver on that interest in the rookie draft.


Her full look at all the rookie draft prospects is here:
http://www.scpaige.com.au/preseason-and-rookie-draft-guide-the-prospects/

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Snoop from BF has done a rookie phantom draft and he also has Toohey going to us.

# 12 Richmond
James Toohey – Oakleigh / 197cm / 95kg / ‘94
Little hard to peg where he will go as is overage and hence if he does might be more at the back end. On the other hand this kid is very good. Beast of a kid with a mans body already and has terrific agility / speed and an absolute monster left foot on him. I have seen him go forward and back and I tend to think this will appeal to clubs as he has huge scope albeit I lean more to him as a key back. Hands in the contest are good and he is fearless in marking contests. Clubs will like him because he has lots of scope and a couple of really handy attributes so the fact he also has tested well suggests he could be a mid range selection. Would be surprised if wasn’t taken at all. The knock on him has been why doesn’t he do more but am prepared to put that down to the fact he has been used as a swingman. I would leave him as a defender and see how he travels.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/snoop-2013-phantom-draft-with-final-order-and-rookie.1041575/
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on November 26, 2013, 05:20:25 AM
Did Bojo do that write up? Whoa
Title: Re: rookie draft
Post by: one-eyed on November 26, 2013, 02:14:21 PM
From Twomey's live chat on the AFL website today:
      
Comment From Guest
Hi Callum - who do you think the Tigers will take - Any chance they might go after T Tuck?

Callum Twomey:
Tigers might have a look at Matt Thomas through the rookie draft.

Callum Twomey:
Have to doubt whether Tuck will get picked up - as an inside midfielder clubs might look at similar players who have yet to enter the system.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-26/live-preseason-draft-chat
   

Title: Re: Rookie draft - picks 11, 27 & 42
Post by: one-eyed on November 26, 2013, 06:35:55 PM
AFL.com.au has calculated a best estimate of how the NAB AFL Rookie Draft will look. This is based on the premise that every selection in the NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft will be used.

Richmond: 11, 27, 42

Adelaide: 7, 24, 40, 52

Brisbane: 6, 23, 39

Carlton: 12, 28, 43, 53, 60 (IR), 64 (IR)

Collingwood: 10

Essendon: 9, 26, 41 (NR)

Fremantle: 16, 32, 47

Geelong: 15, 31, 46, 56 (NR)

Gold Coast: 4, 21, 37, 51, 59, 63

GWS: 1, 18, 34, 49, 58, 62, 66, 67, 68

Hawthorn: 17, 33, 48, 57, 61 (ISCH), 65 (ISCH)

Melbourne: 2, 19, 35, 50

North Melbourne: 8, 25

Port Adelaide: 13, 29, 44, 54 (IR)

St Kilda: 3, 20, 36 (US)

Sydney Swans: 14, 30, 45 (US), 55 (SCH)

West Coast: 5, 22, 38

Western Bulldogs: Nil

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-26/tigers-eye-delisted-lion