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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Hard Roar Tiger on January 03, 2014, 04:47:20 PM
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After finishing stone mutherless in 2009, we finished 2nd to last in 2010. Some posters compared us to Fitzroy.
Then we improved our list - no cheating, no draft concessions, no peptides.
And we improved.
8 wins, 10 wins and then 15 wins in 2013 largely driven by improvements to a poor list with Houli, Grigg, Maric, Morris, Chaplain complimented with drafting of Martin, Conca, Grimes, Floss and Ellis have made a poor list more than competitive - we aren't far away from being a top 4 team.
Not bad for a side considered to be futile in re-building through and era of draft concessions for new teams GC and GWS.
So what remaining improvements are needed to make us premiership material?
Big tone made some great observations on us getting a little more depth in the midfield, small forwards and some key position depth.
What are your thoughts?
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I believe we need to find a fast, agile crumbing forward/outside mid - not a resting first line midfielder but rather a permanent HFF. White had qualities to fill the roll but lacked the crumbing ability around marking contests.
Additionally we need a CHF who can push up the ground, take a grab and then quickly move it into our forwardline. Griffiths would be ideal in this position if he can develop his contested marking and defensive game. McBean could also take this role and even Vickery if there was another tall target in the F50.
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We would have to be the biggest improvers over the last five years and doing it in compromised drafts, only opposition filth couldn't see that.
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I believe we need to find a fast, agile crumbing forward/outside mid - not a resting first line midfielder but rather a permanent HFF. White had qualities to fill the roll but lacked the crumbing ability around marking contests.
Additionally we need a CHF who can push up the ground, take a grab and then quickly move it into our forwardline. Griffiths would be ideal in this position if he can develop his contested marking and defensive game. McBean could also take this role and even Vickery if there was another tall target in the F50.
Well we drafted about 5 of them so here's hoping :lol
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Knights was showing good signs at HFF. im still not conivnced our 3rd tall is that great.. We need someone more consistant than A. Edwards.. Heres hoping young Mc Bean comes on he could be the one if he lives up to what he's shown in the 2's
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The followin of u want to play GRAND FINALS.
Champion Full Back, Full Forward,Ruckmam and a better coach.
Tell me I'm wrong.
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Yeah can't agree with much of that ox, we got a FF that's won 2 Coleman's . Rancer is an elite key defender. Marics best is A grade, looked like he was in decline in 2013, more help will get the best out of what his body can produce
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Apparently they weren't real Coleman's BJ
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Agree on having a champion full back - a Matthew Scarlett type would be a huge bonus. I reckon we need a ruck man who is good at giving our mids first use. For this reason - the Shaun Hampson thing makes sense. IMV, it's a red herring expecting much more from a ruck, give me quality centre clearances and everything else is a bonus.
The small forward thing is a great call - we still don't get great value from our I50s.
As for the coach - i get the sentiment but it is about the total coaching group these days so his support is also a factor
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Dimma (and or his coaching panel) need some more tactical nous true but every year they are improving. We could find another assistant coach with this skill to sit in the coaching box I guess. Their developing capabilities are hard to despite now though (unless you're claw of course :P). Hardwick was the perfect coach for us at the stage we were at and now the players and coaches are developing together imo :thumbsup
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Dimma (and or his coaching panel) need some more tactical nous true but every year they are improving. We could find another assistant coach with this skill to sit in the coaching box I guess. Their developing capabilities are hard to despite now though (unless you're claw of course :P). Hardwick was the perfect coach for us at the stage we were at and now the players and coaches are developing together imo :thumbsup
It's always an interesting idea whether any sporting team needs a different type of coach, with different skills to go from a competitive team to a dominant one.
I've been interested in watching Andy Reed coaching his first season with the Chiefs in the NFL after leaving the Eagles after a long run.
Another is the soccer go round with Mourinho from Porto to Chelsea to Real to Chelsea again.
One that sticks in my mind is Guus Hiddink who seems to be the go to guy for a team looking to take that final step.
To my mind one of the really crucial things in becoming a dominant team is the confidence or belief of the players. It's always seemed to me that a new coach can more easily instil that into players than a coach that has bought them from rookies to senior players. In the case of Ablett I really think that it was only after leaving the comfort zone of Geelong that he gained the belief that he was indeed a dominant player.
Northey is the obvious example of a Richmond coach who took an ordinary group and got them to believe in themselves. As per my username I saw this first hand at Redan in the early 70's where he took over a very poor side and while he added quite a lot of new talent, the existing players really did go to another level in winning three premierships in a row.
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We need:
- more midfield depth. Another two genuine mids.
- a proper CHF. A big one. Somebody 195+cm tall and 100+kg heavy to smash packs.
- a classy small forward who can jag at least 30+ goals a year.
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I believe we need another inside midfield but more importantly we need a quality small forward. I am hoping Lennon is the answer. We need someone who can rove the packs when the ball comes to ground.
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I believe we need another inside midfield but more importantly we need a quality small forward. I am hoping Lennon is the answer. We need someone who can rove the packs when the ball comes to ground.
Lennon might have the potential to be many things but I highly doubt quality small forward is one of them. He's 190cm tall.
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locked&loaded
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locked&loaded
circa 2009
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I believe we need another inside midfield but more importantly we need a quality small forward. I am hoping Lennon is the answer. We need someone who can rove the packs when the ball comes to ground.
Lennon might have the potential to be many things but I highly doubt quality small forward is one of them. He's 190cm tall.
Wait and see before making judgement. Lennon is smaller than Jack and Ty. He is no lumbering giant and I understand he is not slow either.
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I believe we need another inside midfield but more importantly we need a quality small forward. I am hoping Lennon is the answer. We need someone who can rove the packs when the ball comes to ground.
Lennon might have the potential to be many things but I highly doubt quality small forward is one of them. He's 190cm tall.
Wait and see before making judgement. Lennon is smaller than Jack and Ty. He is no lumbering giant and I understand he is not slow either.
He's not a small fwd, he's a medium/3rd tall.
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I believe we need another inside midfield but more importantly we need a quality small forward. I am hoping Lennon is the answer. We need someone who can rove the packs when the ball comes to ground.
Lennon might have the potential to be many things but I highly doubt quality small forward is one of them. He's 190cm tall.
Wait and see before making judgement. Lennon is smaller than Jack and Ty. He is no lumbering giant and I understand he is not slow either.
I'm pretty sure I can make that call right now Elim. At 190cm (at 18 years old) and listed strengths as his kicking and overhead marking he is never going to be a quality small forward who roves packs and crumbs goals as his primary role.
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I believe we need another inside midfield but more importantly we need a quality small forward. I am hoping Lennon is the answer. We need someone who can rove the packs when the ball comes to ground.
Lennon might have the potential to be many things but I highly doubt quality small forward is one of them. He's 190cm tall.
Wait and see before making judgement. Lennon is smaller than Jack and Ty. He is no lumbering giant and I understand he is not slow either.
I'm pretty sure I can make that call right now Elim. At 190cm (at 18 years old) and listed strengths as his kicking and overhead marking he is never going to be a quality small forward who roves packs and crumbs goals as his primary role.
Would love to see Lennon develop into a Ryan O'Keefe type (O'Keefe's 187cm BTW); that is play that sort of role. Can play a variety roles including "pinchhitter" lead up forward, through the middle, odd time down HB playing that sweeping role etc.
Actually would love our club to develop anyone into that sort of player. Ryan O'Keefe is a gun - very much underrated
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That would be ideal WP
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Ryan O'Keefe:
"If it's a banned drug it's a banned drug regardless of whether its for anti-obesity, skin colour or whatever. If it's a banned drug you can't take it, regardless of the circumstances."
"If you've taken a banned substance, it's banned. Everyone else isn't doing it, you've got an unfair advantage over your competition then that's unfair for the players around the league that are doing everything by the book.
"if you have taken a banned substance you are going to have to suffer the consequences."
Champion bloke. Champion footballer.
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I believe we need another inside midfield but more importantly we need a quality small forward. I am hoping Lennon is the answer. We need someone who can rove the packs when the ball comes to ground.
Lennon might have the potential to be many things but I highly doubt quality small forward is one of them. He's 190cm tall.
Wait and see before making judgement. Lennon is smaller than Jack and Ty. He is no lumbering giant and I understand he is not slow either.
I'm pretty sure I can make that call right now Elim. At 190cm (at 18 years old) and listed strengths as his kicking and overhead marking he is never going to be a quality small forward who roves packs and crumbs goals as his primary role.
Would love to see Lennon develop into a Ryan O'Keefe type (O'Keefe's 187cm BTW); that is play that sort of role. Can play a variety roles including "pinchhitter" lead up forward, through the middle, odd time down HB playing that sweeping role etc.
Actually would love our club to develop anyone into that sort of player. Ryan O'Keefe is a gun - very much underrated
Yeh , an O'Keefe or a Stevie J type. That'd do nicely thanks. :thumbsup
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I believe we need another inside midfield but more importantly we need a quality small forward. I am hoping Lennon is the answer. We need someone who can rove the packs when the ball comes to ground.
Lennon might have the potential to be many things but I highly doubt quality small forward is one of them. He's 190cm tall.
Wait and see before making judgement. Lennon is smaller than Jack and Ty. He is no lumbering giant and I understand he is not slow either.
I'm pretty sure I can make that call right now Elim. At 190cm (at 18 years old) and listed strengths as his kicking and overhead marking he is never going to be a quality small forward who roves packs and crumbs goals as his primary role.
Would love to see Lennon develop into a Ryan O'Keefe type (O'Keefe's 187cm BTW); that is play that sort of role. Can play a variety roles including "pinchhitter" lead up forward, through the middle, odd time down HB playing that sweeping role etc.
Actually would love our club to develop anyone into that sort of player. Ryan O'Keefe is a gun - very much underrated
That is a great call WP :thumbsup
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I believe we need another inside midfield but more importantly we need a quality small forward. I am hoping Lennon is the answer. We need someone who can rove the packs when the ball comes to ground.
Lennon might have the potential to be many things but I highly doubt quality small forward is one of them. He's 190cm tall.
Wait and see before making judgement. Lennon is smaller than Jack and Ty. He is no lumbering giant and I understand he is not slow either.
I'm pretty sure I can make that call right now Elim. At 190cm (at 18 years old) and listed strengths as his kicking and overhead marking he is never going to be a quality small forward who roves packs and crumbs goals as his primary role.
Would love to see Lennon develop into a Ryan O'Keefe type (O'Keefe's 187cm BTW); that is play that sort of role. Can play a variety roles including "pinchhitter" lead up forward, through the middle, odd time down HB playing that sweeping role etc.
Actually would love our club to develop anyone into that sort of player. Ryan O'Keefe is a gun - very much underrated
That is a great call WP :thumbsup
Agree with WP.
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I believe we need another inside midfield but more importantly we need a quality small forward. I am hoping Lennon is the answer. We need someone who can rove the packs when the ball comes to ground.
Lennon might have the potential to be many things but I highly doubt quality small forward is one of them. He's 190cm tall.
Wait and see before making judgement. Lennon is smaller than Jack and Ty. He is no lumbering giant and I understand he is not slow either.
I'm pretty sure I can make that call right now Elim. At 190cm (at 18 years old) and listed strengths as his kicking and overhead marking he is never going to be a quality small forward who roves packs and crumbs goals as his primary role.
Lets agree not to agree
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:thumbsup
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Lennon's a medium forward/tall mid.
Then again - McBean is a small forward/potential ruckman.
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Tone Greenberg has said that Lennon won't play much in 2014
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Tone Greenberg has said that Lennon won't play much in 2014
So he knows that there will be no injuries to any of our forwards from now!
Wow! Move over Nostradamus!!!
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Tone Greenberg has said that Lennon won't play much in 2014
If you could just post the link to that quite that would be great Phillip.
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Tone Greenberg has said that Lennon won't play much in 2014
So he knows that there will be no injuries to any of our forwards from now!
Wow! Move over Nostradamus!!!
Not ready
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Tone Greenberg has said that Lennon won't play much in 2014
You mean Tone Greenberg from Twitter?
And that's not what he said on twitter
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Tone Greenberg has said that Lennon won't play much in 2014
You mean Tone Greenberg from Twitter?
And that's not what he said on twitter
He said he won't be playing straight away and he'll have to earn it meaning he's not ready.
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Tone Greenberg has said that Lennon won't play much in 2014
Tone Greenberg on Twitter is a fan like any other fan, just stating his opinion.
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Why is it that some clubs win many premierships over the clubs history and some clubs have only ever won a few or just one?
I don't know exactly why, but I know that it can't just be solely player capability or the coach.
If you go by player capability, then the saints of the nineties should have won at least 3 premierships, same goes for geelong.
In fact Richmond at various stages over the past 30 years, has had the capability to win a flag or two.
Then why didn't we win any?
I truly believe that the whole club's belief is one of the most important factors when it comes to winning.
We have a great list, and EVERY player on that list can most certainly do better, no need to fill gaps with better players. A good footballer can be transformed into a much greater footballer. Every player in the AFL has at least got some talent, otherwise they wouldn't be there, so therefore they have the ability to become very good. This is what is needed to win a premiership, ALL very very good players, not just a few greats.
Just about every clubs list in the AFL today has the capabilities to win a flag, it is all about how it is all presented.
Professionalism is a key point to any achievable goal, premierships being that goal.
Every aspect of every club needs to be extremely focused and have the most amazing thirst to win that premiership, for it to occur. Every player, every board member and every coach. Along with every thing else that goes on within the club.
Hone every player to be better than the best they can be, then hone them some more.
Some knob in American, said something like players are made by the off season training, sorry can't remember what it was. But anyway, it is very true.
Don't keep plugging away at gaps, it only creates gaps further down the line (over the years), create extremely professional players to fill in the gaps with talent, that is what we need to win a premiership.
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I believe we need another inside midfield but more importantly we need a quality small forward. I am hoping Lennon is the answer. We need someone who can rove the packs when the ball comes to ground.
Lennon might have the potential to be many things but I highly doubt quality small forward is one of them. He's 190cm tall.
didnt they tell us he was a mid. :pray
Wait and see before making judgement. Lennon is smaller than Jack and Ty. He is no lumbering giant and I understand he is not slow either.
He's not a small fwd, he's a medium/3rd tall.
Edited to correct quote
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Tone Greenberg has said that Lennon won't play much in 2014
Tone Greenberg on Twitter is a fan like any other fan, just stating his opinion.
Will play Round 1. Just as credible. :shh :cheers
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Lennon will poo himself against Carltank and all of his childhood heroes
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Tone Greenberg has said that Lennon won't play much in 2014
Tone Greenberg on Twitter is a fan like any other fan, just stating his opinion.
Will play Round 1. Just as credible. :shh :cheers
Lennon will poo himself against Carltank and all of his childhood heroes
We play the Suns in round 1 so Lennon should be fine up there ;).
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Tone Greenberg has said that Lennon won't play much in 2014
Tone Greenberg on Twitter is a fan like any other fan, just stating his opinion.
Will play Round 1. Just as credible. :shh :cheers
Lennon will poo himself against Carltank and all of his childhood heroes
We play the Suns in round 1 so Lennon should be fine up there ;).
Don't think it's for 4 points though
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Don't think it's for 4 points though
It's not. Our first game of every season is always an 8 point game.
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12 point game that one
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I wouldn't call playing the suns in the nab cup our first game
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I wouldn't call playing the suns in the nab cup our first game
What are on about
The game against the Suns on Sat March 15th is round 1 of the AFL season
It isn't a NAB Cup game
It is worth 4 points
There is no NAB Cup this year, just NAB challenge series in Feb (18 games in 18 days) where we play against the Demons (Etihad) and Pies (wangaratta) and a final praccy game against the Bombers most likely at PRO
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I wouldn't call playing the suns in the nab cup our first game
What are on about
The game against the Suns on Sat March 15th is round 1 of the AFL season
It isn't a NAB Cup game
It is worth 4 points
There is no NAB Cup this year, just NAB challenge series in Feb (18 games in 18 days) where we play against the Demons (Etihad) and Pies (wangaratta) and a final praccy game against the Bombers most likely at PRO
The latest per Dooks is it's a 12 point game
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I wouldn't call playing the suns in the nab cup our first game
What are on about
The game against the Suns on Sat March 15th is round 1 of the AFL season
It isn't a NAB Cup game
It is worth 4 points
There is no NAB Cup this year, just NAB challenge series in Feb (18 games in 18 days) where we play against the Demons (Etihad) and Pies (wangaratta) and a final praccy game against the Bombers most likely at PRO
I thought we had Carlton again in round 1.
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I thought we had Carlton again in round 1.
Errrr NO ::) Draw has been out since October
Season is starting earlier (2 weeks).
MCG is not available until the end of March so we cannot play Carlton in round 1, we play them round 2
RD DATE OPPONENT VENUE HOME/AWAY LOCAL TIME HOST TV NETWORK
1 Saturday, March 15 Gold Coast Metricon Stadium Away 6.40pm Seven
2 Thursday, March 27 Carlton MCG Home 7.45pm Seven
The full draw is here:
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=19003.msg403675#msg403675
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I thought we had Carlton again in round 1.
Errrr NO ::) Draw has been out since October
Season is starting earlier (2 weeks).
MCG is not available until the end of March so we cannot play Carlton in round 1, we play them round 2
RD DATE OPPONENT VENUE HOME/AWAY LOCAL TIME HOST TV NETWORK
1 Saturday, March 15 Gold Coast Metricon Stadium Away 6.40pm Seven
2 Thursday, March 27 Carlton MCG Home 7.45pm Seven
The full draw is here:
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=19003.msg403675#msg403675
Learn something new every day
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I thought we had Carlton again in round 1.
Errrr NO ::) Draw has been out since October
Season is starting earlier (2 weeks).
MCG is not available until the end of March so we cannot play Carlton in round 1, we play them round 2
RD DATE OPPONENT VENUE HOME/AWAY LOCAL TIME HOST TV NETWORK
1 Saturday, March 15 Gold Coast Metricon Stadium Away 6.40pm Seven
2 Thursday, March 27 Carlton MCG Home 7.45pm Seven
The full draw is here:
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=19003.msg403675#msg403675
Learn something new every day
I am sure you would starting off such a low base