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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: (•))(©™ on January 10, 2014, 04:03:52 PM
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Did the competition take a year off?
What was the deal?
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Cosgrove was one that readily comes to mind but there were others too.
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Yes Ox there were some tiger players who saw action in WW2
Bill Cosgrove played for the Tigers and he was killed in WW2 flying fighter planes in 1943. he was just 25yo (he played 3 games)
History says he had the Tiger logo and sogan "Eat 'em Alive" painted on his plane
He was the Uncle of General Peter Cosgrove who heaed the ADF for a number of years and is tipped to be our nest Governor General
The Cosgrove-Jenkins Medal for our best first year player is named after him
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Yes Ox there were some tiger players who saw action in WW2
Bill Cosgrove palyed for the Tigers and he was killed in WW2 flying fighter planes in 1943. he was just 25yo
History says he had the Tiger logo and sogan "Eat 'em Alive" painted on his plane
He was the Uncle of General Peter Cosgrove who heaed the ADF for a numbe rof years and is tipped to be our Governor General
The Cosgrove-Jenkins Medal for our best first year player is named after him
That's admirable :thumbsup
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The only other RFC player listed as being killed during WW2 is Bill Garvie who played 9 games
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IMO, that's the real heart of this club.Amen.
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IMO, that's the real heart of this club.Amen.
I know you 're not a Dyer fan Ox but Jack Dyer (who was his coach/captain) actually said Cosgrove would have been a star if he hadn't of gone to war and was a true tiger. Wrote about him (Cosgrove) in his book
Spoke glowingly of the kid and they dedicated the 1943 Premiership to Bill Cosgrove
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In the book jack had a meeting with then Prime minsister Curtin because Jack felt like he wanted to contribute more to the war effort.but the Prime minister mentioned that as a police officer and footballer he was contributing a lot(law and order and to the morale of the populace).
Curtin did ask a favour from jack though ,that he refrain from inflicting any pain on his nephew/cousin who played for Fitzroy.jack said he would do as the prime minister suggested...A few weeks later Richmond played Fitzroy...guess what happened to the PMs relative?.....lol
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Well, I wasn't even thinking about Jack but now that he's been mentioned....
It's not that i'm not a fan.
The guy is a legend, sure but legends live in the past.
It's hard to build futures on ones past.
Having said that, blokes like Mr Cosgrove made it possible for Jack to remain a cop and play football.Quite a charmed existence in a world of then, mayhem.
You know, regardless of a bias opinion, Jack could have enlisted, couldn't he?
Its fine in hindsight that he wanted to contribute more at the time but how can such intentions and efforts be compared to those who sacrificed their lives.
I think that's about the truth.
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I always thought a rich and proud past is always a great basis to construct a bright future.
sorry mods wont continue on this tangent..will stick to the topic
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We build a better future by learning from the past, not dwelling on it. Just my 2 bob's worth. ;)
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so true smokey, unfortunately with war, we, or the decision makers anyway, don't seem to learn from the past.
perhaps that is because they often have something to gain, while others are the ones that lose something?
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so true smokey, unfortunately with war, we, or the decision makers anyway, don't seem to learn from the past.
perhaps that is because they often have something to gain, while others are the ones that lose something?
I'm feeling some Al love
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List of VFL players who died on active service:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Victorian_Football_League_players_who_died_on_active_service
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We build a better future by learning from the past, not dwelling on it. Just my 2 bob's worth. ;)
Too true Smokey :thumbsup
FWIW, my father, uncle and grandfather fought in both World Wars and the Korean War.
My uncle, who is a twin to Dad didn't.
I know his brothers didn't judge him for not going to war.
When you think about it, that is truly admirable.
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I always thought a rich and proud past is always a great basis to construct a bright future.
sorry mods wont continue on this tangent..will stick to the topic
We build a better future by learning from the past, not dwelling on it. Just my 2 bob's worth. ;)
well said unfortunately the rfc have far too often thru its history failed to heed many lessons at all.
as for war. well the entire history of man tells us there will always be despots, greed ,power hunger, have note who want what you have and just plain old orneriness and we had damn well better be prepared.
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List of VFL players who died on active service:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Victorian_Football_League_players_who_died_on_active_service
Interesting.
For a game with such "feared" and heroic figures, there were next to none willing to die for their country, let alone see action
I knew they were full of poo.
Football celebs, too important to go to war (gutless).
Leave that to the fans
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W0t about the ones that went but failed to die
Cowards/ hero's?
Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel bro... the yanks didn't even wanna fight
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That's a stupid question in it's simplest form.
It's one thing not to enlist but another to stick around and pretend you're a big man, let alone say you ARE supporting the war effort.....
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Humans been fighting for tens thousands years and it always seems to be the stupidest poorest bastards on the front line how many sons of us political elite are in middle east now ...
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That's a stupid question in it's simplest form.
It's one thing not to enlist but another to stick around and pretend you're a big man, let alone say you ARE supporting the war effort.....
Stupid question for a stupid bloke.
I think I saw you in Iraq.
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Way I see it is, don't judge, you wanna find out, sign up for a stint like some of us have. If you haven't served, you certainly have no place calling anyone a coward. In WWII your life expectancy on the front was pretty stuffing short and last time I checked, you only get one go even if you do believe in unicorns. Facing incoming ordinance and keeping your poo in one sock is a hell of a job description to take on, and the pay wasn't flash even if you lived to spend it. If you have people who are not gonna perform under the nasty conditions, or panic, they are obviously not suited and would be unreliable. They might have other skills that are important for our society though. Horses for courses.
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Way I see it is, don't judge, you wanna find out, sign up for a stint like some of us have. If you haven't served, you certainly have no place calling anyone a coward. In WWII your life expectancy on the front was pretty stuffing short and last time I checked, you only get one go even if you do believe in unicorns. Facing incoming ordinance and keeping your poo in one sock is a hell of a job description to take on, and the pay wasn't flash even if you lived to spend it. If you have people who are not gonna perform under the nasty conditions, or panic, they are obviously not suited and would be unreliable. They might have other skills that are important for our society though. Horses for courses.
Well said Owl. :clapping :thumbsup
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Way I see it is, don't judge, you wanna find out, sign up for a stint like some of us have. If you haven't served, you certainly have no place calling anyone a coward. In WWII your life expectancy on the front was pretty stuffing short and last time I checked, you only get one go even if you do believe in unicorns. Facing incoming ordinance and keeping your poo in one sock is a hell of a job description to take on, and the pay wasn't flash even if you lived to spend it. If you have people who are not gonna perform under the nasty conditions, or panic, they are obviously not suited and would be unreliable. They might have other skills that are important for our society though. Horses for courses.
stuffen A bro.