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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mat073 on February 03, 2014, 06:42:05 PM
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North seem to have our measure. Made us look silly last year.
They seem to be able to beat teams we can't . ( Collingwood and Geelong )
They can't beat our bunnies in hawthorn and Brisbane .
Is their best player still the oldest bloke in the comp.
Discuss.
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No.
They are a better side than us
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If they are better than us why didnt they make the finals?
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If they are better than us why didnt they make the finals?
If we're better than them why did they flog us by 10 goals, inflicting on us our worse defeat of the last two seasons?
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indeed they flogged us.So are you saying that one game determines whether they are or us had a successful season
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indeed they flogged us.So are you saying that one game determines whether they are or us had a successful season
I'm saying that it's probably not quite as simple as either of our examples.
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If they are better than us why didnt they make the finals?
don't ask the hard questions G, PM hates facts getting in the way of a good spin :lol
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Eureka !!
This thread is gold.
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I see North and us as being on par for the last 3 or so years. Last year they lost a number of games by a small margin and despite not having a great win loss ratio, had a healthy percentage, much as we did in 2012.
Historically, teams that did this, tend this improve their win loss ratio and ladder position in the following year.
The addition of Dal Santo should also improve the team, but could you imagine the squealing if we had recruited a high profile mid fielder and were considering playing him off half back?
I can only imagine what the response on this forum was, when after beating St Kilda a few years back, Thomas declared they were a better side than us, and how did that pan out over the next few years?
Diocletian is correct in saying it is not so cut and dried as those simplistic examples suggest.
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I too agree its not a cut and dry argument but if you look at our boogie teams they all have strong inside mids with a tall/athletic ruck. One of the main reasons we traded for Hampson was to try and arrest this problem because as games progress Maric struggle to win the center clearances. Hopefully with assistance from a tall, jumping ruck we will be far better played to beat North this year.
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If they are better than us why didnt they make the finals?
Because they copped the worst draw in the comp. We would've missed finals too if we got their draw
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50/50 both improving sides, will be interesting to see how we both go this season
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The roos have Daw, we don't. Checkmate norf.
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not much between a lot of sides.
in a lot of ways norths 2013 mirrored our 2012 where we had a good percentage and lost a lot of close games..and vice versa. atm we lack depth one bad injury run will probably see us miss finals.
the real key for us is again development. we desperately need a lot of players who have been around for 3 4 or 5 seasons to step up and become decent consistent players.
sometimes the win loss column is misleading.
are adelaide really as poor as they showed last yr with the injuries they had.wce went from the next big things when just about everything that could go wrong did. essendon actually won 14 games ?? with all the disruptions they had.carlton under malthouse in yr two will be better . you can see the talent in sides like gc wb even melbourne these sides will have real good draws.
if mids win premierships collingwood have more and more quality mids than anyone. mini rebuild and straight back into contention imo.
p/a couldnt do much more than they did. they have good structure lots of youth that will develop more will they slip how much better or worse are they than other teams in the hunt.
then theres nm they are not an old team. in fact overall one of the younger teams going around.
in rnd 1 against collingwood the ave age was 24y 165d and 77.0 games played.
in rnd 23 against collingwood the ave age was 24y 159d and 90.2 games played. the age games brackets this yr will be where it needs to be to be a real finals side.
so many sides in the hunt not even mentioned the top 4. who would really be surprised if any of carl,nm, ad, wce ,pa, gc, ri, ha, syd, co, ge, fr, and even wb made the 8.
theres lots of things other than the win loss column to look at that helps determine where a side is at.
its dog eat dog and to rise above the pack you have to be so much better than most in all areas.
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Eureka !!
This thread is gold.
See what you did there
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You could make a case for every side in the league improving but conversely you could do the opposite too. I think its about looking at the probabilities.
North will probably improve given the improvement to their list and their change in fortunes with their draw.
Richmond should be expected also for similar reasons with areas of deficiency addressed from 2013, immediate depth increased and a favourable draw.
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Essendon will stumble into the top 8. They will again start strong with a newish coach and plenty of 'us against the world' motivation but I'm not convinced the whole controversy won't still haunt them this year and effect their march.
West Coast & Adelaide will make the eight this year with an injury free run.
Sydney will make the top 4. They will have a very potent forwardline and will use Buddy up the ground to create space for Tippet. Hope we can pip them though on the bigger grounds we play them in 2014.
Carlton will not improve. I can't see where any improvement will come from but can see where they will drop away with some of their better players continuing to age.
Geelong are my enigma team. I think (hope) they will drop out of the eight but they have been up for so long (similar to the Pies) that it is always difficult to write them off. Surely they will slip this year as their aging stars drop off...???
Port will drop out in my option. They are a very young team (2nd after GC in av age) and played above themselves with the inclusion of a new coach.
Collingwood will drop out of the eight too. They have lost experience and talent which they have attempted to predominately cover with inexperienced talent. I respect the Pies ability to get the best out of their players but I don't think Buckley has the same motivation capabilities as his Malthouse did. Stop Cloke and Pentlebury and you will stop the Pies in 2014.
Gold Coast are improving rapidly and will be competitive against even the better teams this year. I don't believe they will make the eight though.
Western Bulldogs and St Kilda will both be joining Melbourne and GWS in the battle for the spoon imo
So counting Fremantle and Hawks as assured top 8 finishers, I think North and the Tigers are both the teams who have the most probability to improve and move up into the 8 followed by Adelaide and West Coast who will move inside from outside the eight in 2013.
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Conversely I think Geelong and Collingwood will stay in the 8, albeit the lower half.
Don't think WCE or Adelaide will be a big deal this year either. Once Naitanui and Walker go down for each team respectively they become much tamer.
Melbourne won't get the spoon IMO. That'll be for Saints or Dogs.
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There thread is missing the point, Norf aren't the worry, I have it on good authority that The Demons are gunna flog us and make us cry
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The thing with north is their 2 top players are over 30. And each time we play them those 2 players get us.. Harvey hasnt got much left and Petrie seemed to become inconsistant towards the end of last season. Wells is pushing 30 if not already 30.
Swallow is a topliner but isnt a game winner.. Most of the rest of their side are just good honest players who bust their arse to win. They arent anything special just good ordinary players.
Majak is no concern and never will be imo.. He has the physique, cant read the game though. He'll be 30 when he learns it.
On paper, we should beat them and i think another year of development into our under 22 y/o's. and its Game over.
The thing north are good at is they generally kick straight and that helps a lot.
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The thing with north is their 2 top players are over 30. And each time we play them those 2 players get us.. Harvey hasnt got much left and Petrie seemed to become inconsistant towards the end of last season. Wells is pushing 30 if not already 30.
Swallow is a topliner but isnt a game winner.. Most of the rest of their side are just good honest players who bust their arse to win. They arent anything special just good ordinary players.
Majak is no concern and never will be imo.. He has the physique, cant read the game though. He'll be 30 when he learns it.
On paper, we should beat them and i think another year of development into our under 22 y/o's. and its Game over.
The thing north are good at is they generally kick straight and that helps a lot.
Keep to the revised thread topic please, it's the Dees not Norf
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The thing with north is their 2 top players are over 30. And each time we play them those 2 players get us.. Harvey hasnt got much left and Petrie seemed to become inconsistant towards the end of last season. Wells is pushing 30 if not already 30.
Swallow is a topliner but isnt a game winner.. Most of the rest of their side are just good honest players who bust their arse to win. They arent anything special just good ordinary players.
Majak is no concern and never will be imo.. He has the physique, cant read the game though. He'll be 30 when he learns it.
On paper, we should beat them and i think another year of development into our under 22 y/o's. and its Game over.
The thing north are good at is they generally kick straight and that helps a lot.
Keep to the revised thread topic please, it's the Dees not Norf
:wallywink Stuff the Dees
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Essendon will stumble into the top 8.
Essendon will not make the eight.
b]Western Bulldogs and St Kilda[/b] will both be joining Melbourne and GWS in the battle for the spoon imo
I think the Bulldogs will improve a fair bit in 2014 and won't be anywhere near the wooden spoon. In fact I think they'll finish above Essendon !
Oh and North to fail on the huge expectations being put on them too.
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Norf: put everyone behind the ball. win the ball. charge forward.
Hawdick: :huh :huh :huh
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Blues will improve, lots of experts are tipping the bombres as contenders let alone finalists..
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Blues will improve, lots of experts are tipping the bombres as contenders let alone finalists..
Contenders for the June flag
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Don't rate either Blues or Bombers.
North I predict will be middle again. Could be in or out of 8.
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Three horse race at this stage - haw, freo, syd.
The rest will tighten up with alot of teams on the 9-13 win mark from 4th to 15th or so
North will make it.
We'll make it.
Collingwood and Geelong should slide. Collingwood possibly out of the 8.
Alot of people are saying Carlton will go backwards but I think theyll be better under another year of malthouse.
Youd think Essendon will slide. I dont rate their list. But they could have a similar year to 2013.
Port will slide. On par with gc who could just about make it.
Adel and wc to finish on 8-9 wins. Bulldogs establishing a good midfield. Probably around the same or 10 wins.
Brisbane should slide.
Gws and Melbs to improve.
Stk for the spoony love.
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They're psychologically stronger than us.
Richmond list doesn't believe they can beat them.
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Ox maybe onto something, for some reason they own us and I don't like it one bit.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stzBwcWPolE
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indeed they flogged us.So are you saying that one game determines whether they are or us had a successful season
We're better than Hawthorn and Freo. It's pretty obvious how it works. Keep up FFS :banghead
;D
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I would not be surprised at all if Hawthorn are the big sliders this year.
Recent history suggests that hawks suffer the dreaded premiership hangover. Only won 9 games in 2009.Do they have any hunger left after winning their Second flag ?
Turning into Dads army too...Hodge is 30 , Mitchell 32, Sewell 32 , Lake 32. Hawks had 11 players in the GF who had played over 150 games....we had 4 in our final.
Also the best forward in the comp has left the building.
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I would not be surprised at all if Hawthorn are the big sliders this year.
Recent history suggests that hawks suffer the dreaded premiership hangover. Only won 9 games in 2009.Do they have any hunger left after winning their Second flag ?
Turning into Dads army too...Hodge is 30 , Mitchell 32, Sewell 32 , Lake 32
. Hawks had 11 players in the GF who had played over 150 games....we had 4 in our final.
Also the best forward in the comp has left the building.
Surely these 3 should've retired this year after winning a flag to go out on a high. A bit selfish that they're playing on for the coin.
You'd think they'd all retire at the end of 14 eh ?
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Norf: put everyone behind the ball. win the ball. charge forward.
Hardwick: :huh :huh :huh
Yep strategically we continually got sucked in by North's wait-to-counterattack gameplan. It was Richmond wins ball out of centre and kicks long into a congested forward line; Richmond forwards outnumbered can't mark and we have no ballwinners/crumbers nor defensive efforts at ground level; North with numbers clear easily out of their defence; Richmond mids get sucked in too high forward into no man's land which allows North to break out easily behind us and go coast-to-coast in open space into an open forward line and goal; Repeat for 4 quarters :banghead. North do play Docklands well (compared to the 'G) but we need to be smarter tactically against them especially going inside forward 50. In fact, it wouldn't be the worst idea to give them a taste of their own medicine and let them come at us and then we hit them on the counter.
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Absolutely NO stuffing CHANCE.
They are our bogey side, actually every stuffing side is our bogey side..
Remember last years debacle, they must love playing us...they must laugh in the change rooms before the game at how pathetic we are..
We are no where near them this year and we never will be!!!!
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Could lose by 100
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Could lose by 100
In the 1st QTR, actually it will be over quicker than last night, we will be blown away by 30-40 in the first 15 minutes.
They are way too quick for us!!!
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I have a personal theory that in last years final Malthouse exposed us as soft to physical pressure and every other coach has since copied that
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I have a personal theory that in last years final Malthouse exposed us as soft to physical pressure and every other coach has since copied that
It happened long before that..unfortunately!!
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Gig we are the softest team in the AFL and have been so since scotty turner's bump in the 95 final
I believe the first gay afl footballer will come from our club. There is nothing more certain in life other than taxes
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Gig we are the softest team in the AFL and have been so since scotty turner's bump in the 95 final
I believe the first gay afl footballer will come from our club. There is nothing more certain in life other than taxes
:lol :lol :lol
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I have a personal theory that in last years final Malthouse exposed us as soft to physical pressure and every other coach has since copied that
Correct
Common knowledge that other clubs think we are week
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not sure if anyone else heard Finey and Robert shaw this morning ,but finey made the comment that we appear to be "of brittle character" which is a damning critique of our club.
Angus I hear ya...but to quote Jerry Seinfeld "not that theres anything wrong with that"
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I see North and us as being on par for the last 3 or so years. Last year they lost a number of games by a small margin and despite not having a great win loss ratio, had a healthy percentage, much as we did in 2012.
Historically, teams that did this, tend this improve their win loss ratio and ladder position in the following year.
The addition of Dal Santo should also improve the team, but could you imagine the squealing if we had recruited a high profile mid fielder and were considering playing him off half back?
I can only imagine what the response on this forum was, when after beating St Kilda a few years back, Thomas declared they were a better side than us, and how did that pan out over the next few years?
Diocletian is correct in saying it is not so cut and dried as those simplistic examples suggest.
REALLY???????????????????????
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There thread is missing the point, Norf aren't the worry, I have it on good authority that The Demons are gunna flog us and make us cry
;) had to laugh.
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Nope and whats worse they are going to lose vs the Crows
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the effing kooftahs
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First week of the finals they'll get flogged and they'll be using snotty selfish sniper absence as the reason. :help