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Football => View from the Outer => Topic started by: YellowandBlackBlood on March 03, 2014, 09:22:04 AM
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Speculation is mounting that Vlad has had enough and will call it quits (either now or at the end of the year).
Presser at 10am.
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Yep both the Age & HUN are reporting it
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Andrew Demetriou to resign? Press conference announcement fuels speculation
Date: March 3, 2014 - 9:21AM
A press conference called for 10am has increased speculation that AFL CEO Andrew Demetriou may be about to resign. The presence of AFL Commissioner Mike Fitzpatrick indicates the importance of the press conference.
"He is only at the very big announcements," said SEN commentator Anthony Hudson Monday morning.
The AFL media release describes the meeting as an "important briefing". If Demetriou is departing, it is expected he would leave at the end of the 2014 season. His deputy, Gillon McLachlan, would be frontrunner to take over as CEO.
Hudson says that if Demetriou is leaving, the timing of the announcement, less than two weeks before the start of the season, is "extraordinary".
Demetriou has been AFL CEO since 2003, presiding over a period of prosperity for the league, as its revenue from TV deals went to unsurpassed heights. He has overseen the expansion of the competition to 18 teams, with the introduction of the Gold Coast Suns and the Greater Western Sydney Giants.
However, his handling of the Essendon supplements scandal over the past year has been heavily criticised. At the weekend, News Limited published the names of Essendon players who may be facing ASADA sanctions. Hudson said that Demetriou "would have liked this whole thing (Essendon) sorted out before he left".
Issues facing the league currently include the implementation of "equalisation" measures designed to assist financially challenged clubs, and negotiations for the league to buy Etihad Stadium.
Demetriou, 52, played 106 games for North Melbourne and Hawthorn between 1981 and 1988. He was CEO of the AFL Player's Association between 1998 and 2000 and is also an AFL Commissioner.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/andrew-demetriou-to-resign-press-conference-announcement-fuels-speculation-20140303-33uiw.html#ixzz2uqaCf6GX
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fat ratdog fleeing the sinking ship
weak
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Confirmed. Stepping down at the end of the year.
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Confirmed - going at the end of 2014
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Demetriou to stand down at end of 2014
Nathan Schmook
March 3, 2014 10:00 AM
ANDREW Demetriou has announced he will stand down as AFL chief executive at the end of the season.
He will leave the game after 11 years as the game's most powerful figure, with his decision to resign coming after his most challenging 12 months.
Demetriou, who took over from Wayne Jackson as League CEO in 2003, served as chief executive of the AFL Players Association between 1998 and 2000 and was then AFL football operations manager.
He announced his impending departure at a media conference with League chairman Mike Fitzpatrick.
The AFL will engage an executive search company to identify a successor, with an expected time frame of two to three months.
Under Demetriou's leadership the competition has grown to 18 teams, with the introduction of Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney, and crowd and membership numbers have increased.
However, the 52-year-old endured a difficult 2013, which was dominated by Essendon's supplements saga.
Demetriou also oversaw investigations into alleged tanking at Melbourne and, late in 2012, breaches of the salary cap and draft tampering by Adelaide.
His financial legacy is unrivalled, having negotiated consecutive record-breaking TV rights deals fetching $780 million in 2005 and $1.25 billion in 2011.
Demetriou also orchestrated the historic 2000 collective bargaining agreement when leading the AFLPA.
He played 103 games for North Melbourne between 1981-87, retiring after one season with Hawthorn in 1988.
More to come
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-03-03/demetriou
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:birthday
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you blokes have no idea. Demetriou was a great CEO for the game
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you blokes have no idea. Demetriou was a greek CEO for the game
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you blokes have no idea. Demetriou was a greek CEO for the game
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game is a thousand times better than it was before he took over. thats the fact cucumber.
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Best sports administrator the country has ever seen
He made very few mistakes
Crowds profits wages have all increased
He leaves the game on a high
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you blokes have no idea. Demetriou was a greek CEO for the game
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game is a thousand times better than it was before he took over. thats the fact cucumber.
Yeh. The tanking fiasco and Essendon Drug Cartel really did improve the image of our game........
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you blokes have no idea. Demetriou was a greek CEO for the game
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game is a thousand times better than it was before he took over. thats the fact cucumber.
Yeh. The tanking fiasco and Essendon Drug Cartel really did improve the image of our game........
Bingo! Finally someone who puts up arguments why Demetriou was supposedly a bad CEO - but
1) How could any AFL CEO stop a club doing what Essendon were supposedly doing behind the scenes
2) How could any AFL CEO stop a club from tanking when they were deliberately trying to scoop up draft picks.
The only thing any AFL CEO could do is respond to the actions that had occurred. Demetriou has basically screwed Essendon for what they did and 2) heavily punished Melbourne with large fines. There was nothing more that he could do.
You blokes are blaming Demetriou for things other people did. Demetriou was a great CEO for the AFL and you blokes know it.
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you blokes have no idea. Demetriou was a greek CEO for the game
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game is a thousand times better than it was before he took over. thats the fact cucumber.
Yeh. The tanking fiasco and Essendon Drug Cartel really did improve the image of our game........
Agree they wont go down as highlights of his tenure.
But if that's all folks can come up with over a 11 years period then perhaps there is a case for saying he's done a decent job.
I would think the last 2 record TV rights deals would go down as the biggest achievements in his time. The money that they've been able to pour into lower levels woudlnt' have been possible without those deals. Also the fact that price wise the game remains affordable for people to attend
Personally, I am not a huge fan of how he handled the Essendon fiasco and it will no doubt be the blight on his tenure. But having said that there have been some major positives during his time in charge and they cannot be disputed
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Can someone please explain what Demetriou was supposed to have done with the Essendon crisis?
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Brendan Gale spotted having a little dance this morning.
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profits are up! :cheers
fun is down :(
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Can someone please explain what Demetriou was supposed to have done with the Essendon crisis?
My biggest issue with the Essendon fiasco is (a) the comments he made and (b) the backroom deals done to get to the punishment Ramps
His comments have come back to bite him on the behind.
His comment about Hird not getting paid when Hird was indeed getting and then getting a years salary before Xmas. That one simply made Andy D look incredibly stupid
His comments about the Dons Club Doctor, his comments about the AFL not doing deals on that outcome when cleary they did has hurt him and quite rightly
Then there is the final punishment - the fact that they actually did any type of deal was pathetic.
There was no need to do any deal IMHO. The Bombers should not have been able to "negotiate" their punishment. My view was there shouldn't have been any backroom deals and if the Bombers didn't like the penalties then let them go through with their threat of taking the AFL to court. Because again IMO the Bumblings wouldn't have done it, they had far too much to lose
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Can someone please explain what Demetriou was supposed to have done with the Essendon crisis?
You asked the question and I'll give you the answer.
Firstly, he erred in tipping off Essendon about the ACC and ASADA. They destroyed as much evidence as they could after the tip off. What he did was illegal. FFS even Essendon claimed he tipped them off!
Secondly, he should have never allowed the AFL to be co-investigators and sit WITH ASADA. That means all evidence ASADA gained he was privy to. That in turn meant that he could warn Essendon or leak to the media sensitive information etc etc. He had too much of a pecuniary interest in the situation to be allowed to do this.
He then allows Essendon off with a feather duster punishment and James Hird gets a million dollar sabbatical on the French Riviera as his penance. Wow with punishment like that who needs rewards!
With the tanking fiasco, he kept telling us that it didn't exist like we were all idiots. Then and he finds a couple of scapegoats and fines the club money which then he gives back to them as AFL help. That is just pee poor governance.
My dead granny could have done as good a job him. The game is so good it sells itself. The money from the TV rights would have come in regardless of the CEO.
So what has he done that has you in such raptures?
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Conspiracy theory? My theory
Vlad covered this up to protect essendon, to protect the money, mostly from TV rights. This is why EFC fans are very, very stupid. The AFL does not want bad things to happen to efc as it harms the game (in the eyes of vlad) and harms the bottom line
Dollars before integrity.
Hence many people will stop flowing the sport IMO if no bans comes out.
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:clapping :cheers
Everything said above, good riddance
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Firstly, he erred in tipping off Essendon about the ACC and ASADA. They destroyed as much evidence as they could after the tip off. What he did was illegal. FFS even Essendon claimed he tipped them off!
That is an incredibly serious allegation one that I don't think has been proven or one at least he has denied.
Andy D admitted that he spoke to David Evans but he has said that he didn't tell him that Essendon was the AFL team under investigation because he didn't know whcih teams were
Both the ACC and now ASADA have confirmed this. You are implying that they are lying as I said that is an extremely serious allegation
As for the EFC claiming Andy D tipped them off. All they have ever said is that he spoke to Evans on the night he was having a crisis meeting about their supplement program. Hird allegedly claimed in his evidence he believed Evans had been tipped off but there has never been one concrete piece of proof that it ever happened.
I suppose it comes down to who you believe and for mine if it's choices between believing Adny D or one J Hird then I'll go with with Andy D and that's saying something
Regarding evidence being destroyed, again that is a serious allegation and I cannot TBH remember reading one article about any evidence being destroyed**** (see below), just that the incompetence of the EFC meant they had no proper records of what was administered to who. Bit hard to destroy evidence when there isn't any.
****I currently have OER's legal eagles looking into what you've posted YBB - not sure there is public record of what you've said so it may need to be removed****
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More so - apparently essendon have not destroyed evidence but rather keep no evidence and hence have injected unknown drugs
He (Paul Yoda Little) could not say exactly what drugs were administered to the Essendon players during 2012 nor predict whether the players faced penalties from ASADA
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-chairman-says-hird-will-return-a-better-person-20140207-327l8.html
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into young / healthy (?) young men. The like of TA65 is an apparent cancer risk ie. promotes the growth of cancer and other drugs not fit for use of humans and used often on horses. Lube-and-All comes to mind.
Hence Vlads role is not only unethical, but rather illegal I would have thought trying to make such things 'go away' so the so called good of the game
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Firstly, he erred in tipping off Essendon about the ACC and ASADA. They destroyed as much evidence as they could after the tip off. What he did was illegal. FFS even Essendon claimed he tipped them off!
That is an incredibly serious allegation one that I don't think has been proven**** (see below) or one at least he has denied
Andy D admitted that he spoke to David Evans but he has said that he didn't tell him that Essendon was the AFL team under investigation because he didn't know whcih teams were
Both the ACC and now ASADA have confirmed this. You are implying that they are lying as I said that is an extremely serious allegation
As for the EFC claiming Andy D tipped them off. All they have ever said is that he spoke to Evans on the night he was having a crisis meeting about their supplement program. Hird allegedly claimed in his eveidence he believed Evans had been tipped off but there has never been one concrete piece of proof that it ever happened.
I suppose it comes down to who you believe and for mine if it's choices between believing Adny D or one J Hird then I'll go with with Andy D and that's saying something
****I currently have OER's legal eagles looking into what you've posted YBB - not sure there is public record of what you've said so it may need to be removed****
Well I have emails from February 2012 that show I knew about Dank and what was happening at Essendon back a year before it was announced. If I knew and have little to do with Essendon, I would be certain that AD knew too.
So if he hears a team is being investigated by the ACC then of course he would know what team that was!!!! He wouldn't have to be told. Knowing what team it was, it would be easy for him to phone them and warn them. As I have stated, James Hird categorically said that Vlad tipped them off and he was at that meeting that night!!!! That is on public record.
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More so - apparently essendon have not destroyed evidence but rather keep no evidence and hence have injected unknown drugs
He (Paul Yoda Little) could not say exactly what drugs were administered to the Essendon players during 2012 nor predict whether the players faced penalties from ASADA
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-chairman-says-hird-will-return-a-better-person-20140207-327l8.html
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into young / healthy (?) young men. The like of TA65 is an apparent cancer risk ie. promotes the growth of cancer and other drugs not fit for use of humans and used often on horses. Lube-and-All comes to mind.
Hence Vlads role is not only unethical, but rather illegal I would have thought trying to make such things 'go away' so the so called good of the game
Again you are making a serious allegation that is factual incorrect :banghead
The punishment that the EFC received was based on the joint investigation of the AFL & ASADA. The penalites were club penalties and penalties against individuals for bringing the game into disrepute. They were not penalties that have anything to with what people took. That's becasue at that time that invesitgation was not complete
The ASADA report was an interim report not the final one. So based on that fact no players could be punished. Like it or not that is how it is until the investigation/report is finished. What players were or were not given is a matter for ASADA to determine not the AFL.
They are 2 very different issues
You can make an case for the ethical side of things but to suggest that Demetriou has done something illegal is ridiculous. He wasn't involved in the Essendon program he had nothing to do with it.
By all means whack him for how the AFL handled their investigation but don't whack him or anyone else who wasn't aware (until it was far too late) of what the Bombers were up to
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Firstly, he erred in tipping off Essendon about the ACC and ASADA. They destroyed as much evidence as they could after the tip off. What he did was illegal. FFS even Essendon claimed he tipped them off!
That is an incredibly serious allegation one that I don't think has been proven or one at least he has denied.
Andy D admitted that he spoke to David Evans but he has said that he didn't tell him that Essendon was the AFL team under investigation because he didn't know whcih teams were
Both the ACC and now ASADA have confirmed this. You are implying that they are lying as I said that is an extremely serious allegation
As for the EFC claiming Andy D tipped them off. All they have ever said is that he spoke to Evans on the night he was having a crisis meeting about their supplement program. Hird allegedly claimed in his evidence he believed Evans had been tipped off but there has never been one concrete piece of proof that it ever happened.
I suppose it comes down to who you believe and for mine if it's choices between believing Adny D or one J Hird then I'll go with with Andy D and that's saying something
Regarding evidence being destroyed, again that is a serious allegation and I cannot TBH remember reading one article about any evidence being destroyed**** (see below), just that the incompetence of the EFC meant they had no proper records of what was administered to who. Bit hard to destroy evidence when there isn't any.
****I currently have OER's legal eagles looking into what you've posted YBB - not sure there is public record of what you've said so it may need to be removed****
Its called connecting the dots, everyone bar ASADA has done it.
Its pretty obvious or was that phone call just a random how do you do call where the head honchos of Essendon were all just conveniently together at the one place?
Also, regardless of what the story being peddled is, nobody is gullible enough to truly believe Essendon didn't keep records of a major supplement regime. Did they just keep mental notes?
please..
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My theory is he is a reptilian and is going to return to his homeworld with Obama once he is out of office.
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More so - apparently essendon have not destroyed evidence but rather keep no evidence and hence have injected unknown drugs
He (Paul Yoda Little) could not say exactly what drugs were administered to the Essendon players during 2012 nor predict whether the players faced penalties from ASADA
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-chairman-says-hird-will-return-a-better-person-20140207-327l8.html
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into young / healthy (?) young men. The like of TA65 is an apparent cancer risk ie. promotes the growth of cancer and other drugs not fit for use of humans and used often on horses. Lube-and-All comes to mind.
Hence Vlads role is not only unethical, but rather illegal I would have thought trying to make such things 'go away' so the so called good of the game
Again you are making a serious allegation that is factual incorrect :banghead
Can you clarify which part?
What players were or were not given is a matter for ASADA to determine not the AFL.
Incorrect. The EFC ie. Little have repetitively stated they "do not know what drugs the players injected".
We can extrapolate from that they are unsure of what drugs were given...
I dont believe repeating what efc/little have said is defamation or legally shaky ground.
to suggest that Demetriou has done something illegal is ridiculous. He wasn't involved in the Essendon program he had nothing to do with it.
By all means whack him for how the AFL handled their investigation but don't whack him or anyone else who wasn't aware (until it was far too late) of what the Bombers were up to
Wp -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0K220uHa0s
* to inject players with unknown drugs is clearly very very bad.
* of course efc know what drugs where given. however as they are wada banned, they pretend to not know / destory evidence. (<--- IMO)
* The Australian Medical Association stipulates you must record what drugs you are injecting into sportsman. To not be able to produce such documentation is indeed illigal I beleive.
Hence evidence has been destroyed or non legal actions taken place. Even rats used for scientific experiments have this rights.
* so the position we find our self in is Demetriou not wanting EFC banned, as this will harm the game in regards to money. Hence vlad supports the injecting of unknown drugs indirectly.
At the end of the day the AFL and the AFL CEO have a massive vested interst in not losing essendon players to two year bans for doping. Billion dollar TV rights come to mind.
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Well I have emails from February 2012 that show I knew about Dank and what was happening at Essendon back a year before it was announced. If I knew and have little to do with Essendon, I would be certain that AD knew too.
So if he hears a team is being investigated by the ACC then of course he would know what team that was!!!! He wouldn't have to be told. Knowing what team it was, it would be easy for him to phone them and warn them. As I have stated, James Hird categorically said that Vlad tipped them off and he was at that meeting that night!!!! That is on public record.
You may not have noticed but I have edited my post to remove my concerns about the "tip off" part of your post to the "destroying evidence" claim
1/ I am aware of what Hird has said, but it is his version of events and he was trying to save his bacon. That too is on public record.
2/ You are accusing the ACC of leaking information to the AFL. Forget about the AFL for a moment this has been denied by the ACC because the have said they didn't inform any sporting body of the teams involced until that day in Canberra.
3/ Again you accusing Andy D of lying and that is a very serious allegation
4/ You claim that the EFC "destroyed evidence" as I said in my amended post I haven't seen one article about evidence being destroyed and that is the thing I am concerend about re the Forum. Again that is a very serious allegation and unless you can supply some sort of proof then it may need to be removed
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Well I have emails from February 2012 that show I knew about Dank and what was happening at Essendon back a year before it was announced. If I knew and have little to do with Essendon, I would be certain that AD knew too.
So if he hears a team is being investigated by the ACC then of course he would know what team that was!!!! He wouldn't have to be told. Knowing what team it was, it would be easy for him to phone them and warn them. As I have stated, James Hird categorically said that Vlad tipped them off and he was at that meeting that night!!!! That is on public record.
You may not have noticed but I have edited my post to remove my concerns about the "tip off" part of your post to the "destroying evidence" claim
1/ I am aware of what Hird has said, but it is his version of events and he was trying to save his bacon. That too is on public record.
2/ You are accusing the ACC of leaking information to the AFL. Forget about the AFL for a moment this has been denied by the ACC because the have said they didn't inform any sporting body of the teams involced until that day in Canberra.
3/ Again you accusing Andy D of lying and that is a very serious allegation
4/ You claim that the EFC "destroyed evidence" as I said in my amended post I haven't seen one article about evidence being destroyed and that is the thing I am concerend about re the Forum. Again that is a very serious allegation and unless you can supply some sort of proof then it may need to be removed
Where did I say the ACC leaked anything??????????
They never told AD anything. They didn't need to. He already knew. As I said, if I knew, surely he did too!
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Again you are making a serious allegation that is factual incorrect :banghead
Can you clarify which part?
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"Hence Vlads role is not only unethical, but rather illegal I would have thought trying to make such things 'go away' so the so called good of the game
You are accusing him of doing something illegal
As I said a very serious allegation and based on what we know; factually incorrect
Wp -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0K220uHa0s
* to inject players with unknown drugs is clearly very very bad.
* of course efc know what drugs where given. however as they are wada banned, they pretend to not know / destory evidence. (<--- IMO)
* so the position we find our self in is Demetriou not wanting EFC banned, as this will harm the game in regards to money. Hence vlad supports the injecting of unknown drugs indirectly.
Bent's I am not disputing for 1 second let alone 1 minute that injecting players with unknown drugs is "very bad". Very bad is putting it mildly. It is digusting, morally bankrupt and unforgivable. That isn't in dispute
But you are making an assumption of the AFL not wanting the EFC banned. That is not correct because with regard to the drug issue it is a matter for ASADA to sort out. The AFL is a signatory to the WADA code therefore bound to follow their rules & regulations. For the AFL to ban players at this stage would breach those rules but also run the risk of impeding any ASADA finding. Is that what you want? Any punishment they handed out to Essendon last August needed to ensure that it didnt damage any future ADASA findings punishment
Would you be happy if the AFL went whack suspensed players and then next month when the full completed ASADA findings are released they are unable to do anything because of what the AFL did previously? Doubt you would
BTW I am not sure who you can come to the conclusion that he supports any form of players taking drugs when on his watch the AFL was the first sporting body in this country to bring in out of competition testing ::)
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Further to this you are dismissing what Hird said because he was trying to save his bacon.
I sm dismissing what AD said because he was trying to save his bacon.
This has not been judged in a court of law. What makes your thoughts more correct than mine?
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Where did I say the ACC leaked anything??????????
They never told AD anything. They didn't need to. He already knew. As I said, if I knew, surely he did too!
It is your view that he knew. You say you knew so he had to have known. I would say how can you be 100% sure?
BTW You said originally
"Firstly, he erred in tipping off Essendon about the ACC and ASADA."
You made no other reference to what you knew so I have made an assumption (like some in the media did) that Andy D was told by the ACC prior to his meeting in Canberra with them who the club was.
Which I will repeat he has denied many times and that it is only Hird & Corcoran who has claimed otherwise. Evans the person who had the phone conversation with Demetriou has denied it
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This moment came to me in a dream.
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the AFL not wanting the EFC banned.
Do you disagree? Banning players is worst case scenario for the league. The AFL is contracted to the extent of one billion dollars to host 9 games per week. This become very tough if the majority of the EFC list is banned.
That is not correct because with regard to the drug issue it is a matter for ASADA to sort out. The AFL is a signatory to the WADA code therefore bound to follow their rules & regulations.
Technically you are incorrect. ASADA/WADA give out infraction notices but the final decision comes down to the AFL. However dismissing WADA as the sports drug testers would result in a lose of face for the AFL and federal government money.
For the AFL to ban players at this stage would breach those rules but also run the risk of impeding any ASADA finding. Is that what you want? Any punishment they handed out to Essendon last August needed to ensure that it didnt damage any future ADASA findings punishment
I have not said anything of the sort. Merely it is in the interest of the AFL IMO for banning to not happen. I also believe if they have an option of 'helping' players not get a ban they will follow this path.
Would you be happy if the AFL went whack suspensed players and then next month when the full completed ASADA findings are released they are unable to do anything because of what the AFL did previously? Doubt you would
What makes me unhappy is the game is in the position where it will not support the banning of players, due to the fact they will potentially lose big money as a result. And once again it seems the integtiry of the sport comes in at last position. I bet the like of Saad and Justin Charles think its all bollocks.
BTW I am not sure who you can come to the conclusion that he supports any form of players taking drugs when on his watch the AFL was the first sporting body in this country to bring in out of competition testing ::)
There are rumors players have been done for 'three strikes'. And yet allowed to continue due to marketability of said athletics. But I will leave this one alone.
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Further to this you are dismissing what Hird said because he was trying to save his bacon.
I sm dismissing what AD said because he was trying to save his bacon.
This has not been judged in a court of law. What makes your thoughts more correct than mine?
I dismiss what Hird says because outside of his "flip flopping" throughout this fiasco he refused to take any repsonsibility for what happened. Throw in the way he turned on his mate David Evans :whistle Just don't like the man, never have. Don't particularly like Andy D either BTW
Wish it had of gone to a court of law because it would have been interesting on so many levels but the EFC was never going to go to court and I doubt Hird would have either ;D
Where did I say my thought are more correct than yours. My opinion is no more correct than yours because they are just that opinions/views :thumbsup
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Killed the game & replaced it with a plastic "product', turning the sport in to a reality tv show in the process, complete with contrived drama, faux outrages, rules made on the fly and a slanted playing field. Good riddance to the fat K.Hunt.
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Further to this you are dismissing what Hird said because he was trying to save his bacon.
I sm dismissing what AD said because he was trying to save his bacon.
This has not been judged in a court of law. What makes your thoughts more correct than mine?
Wish it had of gone to a court of law
Amen to that
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the AFL not wanting the EFC banned.
Do you disagree? Banning players is worst case scenario for the league. The AFL is contracted to the extent of one billion dollars to host 9 games per week. This become very tough if the majority of the EFC list is banned.
Totally irrelevant what the league wants or how it looks, they are requred as a signatory of the WADA code to enforce the rules. Which means players must be penalised to the satisfaction of ASADA/WADA see below
Technically you are incorrect. ASADA/WADA give out infraction notices but the final decision comes down to the AFL. However dismissing WADA as the sports drug testers would result in a lose of face for the AFL and federal government money.
Suggest you look at how it works. Yes ASADA will issue the infraction notices and players face the AFL Drugs tribunal and determine the penalty
But if WADA is not happy with the penalty they can appeal and request a harsher penalty via the World Sport Admin Tribunal (can't remember its correct name)
It is exactly what they have done with Saad from St Kilda. AFL tribunal gave him 12 months
WADA/ASADA said no we want the maximum 2 years
The AFL have no control over it if it gets to that stage
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The AFL have no control over it if it gets to that stage
unfortunately
The AFL can discontinue their association with WADa/ASADA
the AFL last string of control is to stop working with WADA as the AFLs drug agency. and probable lose federal funding to the afl.
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Where did I say the ACC leaked anything??????????
They never told AD anything. They didn't need to. He already knew. As I said, if I knew, surely he did too!
It is your view that he knew. You say you knew so he had to have known. I would say how can you be 100% sure?
BTW You said originally
"Firstly, he erred in tipping off Essendon about the ACC and ASADA."
You made no other reference to what you knew so I have made an assumption (like some in the media did) that Andy D was told by the ACC prior to his meeting in Canberra with them who the club was.
Which I will repeat he has denied many times and that it is only Hird & Corcoran who has claimed otherwise. Evans the person who had the phone conversation with Demetriou has denied it
Fistly excuse me as I am typing this on my phone.
I am sure AD knew. If he didn't he should have resigned because he wasn't doing his job. Many knew what was going on. Gerard Healy went to the AFL and told them what he heard was happening at Essendon.
How obvious does it have to be?
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if wada give out 40 two years bans
and the afl dont want to accept this
they can discontinue their association with WADa/ASADA
:lol :lol
yes the can but they wont (it wont be 40 bans either)
Why?
Two words for you
Government Funding :thumbsup
:rollin
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My theory is he is a reptilian and is going to return to his homeworld with Obama once he is out of office.
he's been laying eggs in vegetarian restaurants around melbourne for years
no doubt you are already a host
soon he will come to eat your skull and the spawn within, a gruesome reality you brought upon yourself
best not to think about it :cheers
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yes the can but they wont (it wont be 40 bans either)
Stephen Dank: It is very high in [proteins]. I think your doctor source could possibly be right but there is some very, very good data supporting it. There is some data not so supportive, to be honest. But at the end of the day, right, if we have to wait for an absolute blueprint piece of scientific literature on everything that is used in exercise we would end up using nothing.
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NM: Thymosin Beta 4 – why was that used in Essendon players given there is an opinion from a doctor or researcher and other scientists that its effects are uncertain? (note: The AFL believes it has a strong circumstantial case that TB-4 was used on players.)
SD: That's not totally true Nick because, with all due respect, right, there is good data – very good data – that supports Thymosin Beta 4 in the immune system.
NM: OK, why give it to all Essendon players if only some of them had colds and flu?
SD: Well, the point is that there is a degree of immunosuppression after a game or a hard training week, right. Often times the ability to back up next week is decreased by the hit on the immune system.
how many will it be?
Club captain Jobe Watson, Dyson Heppell and Michael Hurley are among 10 current Essendon players the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority says told its investigators they suspected they had been injected with either Thymosin, AOD-9604 or both.
The others are Tom Bellchambers, Jake Melksham, Heath Hocking, Michael Hibberd, Kyle Hardingham, Tayte Pears and Alex Browne.
if you reckon its just them - i would think it possible there are others who are chemically enhanced that simply lied in the asada interview...
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how much does AFL get from TV rights vs Federal funding...
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Killed the game & replaced it with a plastic "product', turning the sport in to a reality tv show in the process, complete with contrived drama, faux outrages, rules made on the fly and a slanted playing field. Good riddance to the fat K.Hunt.
AFL has had a slanted playing field for over 150 years, the media are responsible for sport becoming a reality tv show, and the fat one's bosses for the rule changes. The game has become sanitised though, too many KFC napkins in the CEOs office.
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how many will it be?
I would think those named yesterday in the HUN would be very nervous because they have admitted they believe they took banned substances.
I reckon those who said they haven't got a clue what they took, they will most likely get off.
if you reckon its just them - i would think it possible there are others who are chemically enhanced that simply lied in the asada interview...
Perhaps but prove that they lied. They could be just that stupid and not know. I think it is fair to believe that the kids wouldn't have a clue, they would have been sheep and just followed what the great man Hird told them
how much does AFL get from TV rights vs Federal funding...
They get millions it's in the multi millions I believe
It really doesn't matter because in today's climate thanks to the Bumblings and what they've done the TV networks are weary of being seen to be supporting cheating so IMHO they would drop the AFL or any other sport like a hot potatoes and there wouldn't be the broadcast billions
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I reckon those who said they haven't got a clue what they took, they will most likely get off.
On what basis? The onus is on the player to prove they know what they are injecting and show evidence it is not banned by WADA. WADA does not require beyond reasonable doubt like an American sitcom. A lesser level of evidence is suffice for WADA to ban.
Perhaps but prove that they lied.
Prove the systematic doping program did not invoke WADA banned drugs...
They could be just that stupid and not know
http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/EssendonFC-notice-of-charges.pdf
I think it is fair to believe that the kids wouldn't have a clue, they would have been sheep and just followed what the great man Hird told them
it doesn't matter. responsibility for the substances in the athlete body is this completely the players, according to the WADA protocol
They get millions it's in the multi millions I believe
It really doesn't matter because in today's climate thanks to the Bumblings and what they've done the TV networks are weary of being seen to be supporting cheating so IMHO they would drop the AFL or any other sport like a hot potatoes and there wouldn't be the broadcast billions
you are living in lala land.
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On what basis? The onus is on the player to prove they know what they are injecting and show evidence it is not banned by WADA. WADA does not require beyond reasonable doubt like an American sitcom. A lesser level of evidence is suffice for WADA to ban. ....
it doesn't matter. responsibility for the substances in the athlete body is this completely the players, according to the WADA protocol
No need to quote to me how the WADA code works Bent's I am very much aware of how it works. Know the rules, the protocols. Have done much much research on the subject and that includes going outside the stock standard reading of the WADA and ASADA web-sites.
end of the day I am just giving an opinion.
you are living in lala land.
Dont be so sure ;)
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My theory is he is a reptilian and is going to return to his homeworld with Obama once he is out of office.
he's been laying eggs in vegetarian restaurants around melbourne for years
no doubt you are already a host
soon he will come to eat your skull and the spawn within, a gruesome reality you brought upon yourself
best not to think about it :cheers
I have always wanted my very own face hugger :cheers
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Has overseen the morphing of our great game into a hybrid netball sport
Should be taken out the back of AFL HQ and flogged
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Where did I say the ACC leaked anything??????????
They never told AD anything. They didn't need to. He already knew. As I said, if I knew, surely he did too!
It is your view that he knew. You say you knew so he had to have known. I would say how can you be 100% sure?
BTW You said originally
"Firstly, he erred in tipping off Essendon about the ACC and ASADA."
You made no other reference to what you knew so I have made an assumption (like some in the media did) that Andy D was told by the ACC prior to his meeting in Canberra with them who the club was.
Which I will repeat he has denied many times and that it is only Hird & Corcoran who has claimed otherwise. Evans the person who had the phone conversation with Demetriou has denied it
Have you ever thought why on earth AD rang Evans that night? Did Gary March or Eddie get a call or any other president for that matter? No they didn't. Why would Corcoran and Hird say the opposite to Evans?
Common WP, I gave you more credit than that. What is well known is the the Demetrious are an Essendon supporting family. Always have been and always will be. They are Cypriot and I know people related to them.
AD was trying to warn them and did so. I believe the Hird/Corcoran version because they get no real benefit from saying so and even more than that it makes their club look worse if they in fact are correct!
One day if I catch up with you in the Inner Sanctum I'll show you an email that will blow your socks off. There is so much more to this than what has been reported most of which will never surface. The reason why is that it would destroy a multi billion dollar industry. Nobody, not even ASADA would allow that to happen………….
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He hung Matt Rendell out to dry.
Lies lies and more lies with that and the whole thing stunk.
It was weak as pee.
I'll remember that on top of Essendon etc ..
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http://m.smh.com.au/sport/stephen-dank-finds-new-path-in-sport-20140301-33snt.html
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Where did I say the ACC leaked anything??????????
They never told AD anything. They didn't need to. He already knew. As I said, if I knew, surely he did too!
It is your view that he knew. You say you knew so he had to have known. I would say how can you be 100% sure?
BTW You said originally
"Firstly, he erred in tipping off Essendon about the ACC and ASADA."
You made no other reference to what you knew so I have made an assumption (like some in the media did) that Andy D was told by the ACC prior to his meeting in Canberra with them who the club was.
Which I will repeat he has denied many times and that it is only Hird & Corcoran who has claimed otherwise. Evans the person who had the phone conversation with Demetriou has denied it
Have you ever thought why on earth AD rang Evans that night? Did Gary March or Eddie get a call or any other president for that matter? No they didn't. Why would Corcoran and Hird say the opposite to Evans?
Common WP, I gave you more credit than that. What is well known is the the Demetrious are an Essendon supporting family. Always have been and always will be. They are Cypriot and I know people related to them.
AD was trying to warn them and did so. I believe the Hird/Corcoran version because they get no real benefit from saying so and even more than that it makes their club look worse if they in fact are correct!
One day if I catch up with you in the Inner Sanctum I'll show you an email that will blow your socks off. There is so much more to this than what has been reported most of which will never surface. The reason why is that it would destroy a multi billion dollar industry. Nobody, not even ASADA would allow that to happen………….
Come on start sending it around
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Where did I say the ACC leaked anything??????????
They never told AD anything. They didn't need to. He already knew. As I said, if I knew, surely he did too!
It is your view that he knew. You say you knew so he had to have known. I would say how can you be 100% sure?
BTW You said originally
"Firstly, he erred in tipping off Essendon about the ACC and ASADA."
You made no other reference to what you knew so I have made an assumption (like some in the media did) that Andy D was told by the ACC prior to his meeting in Canberra with them who the club was.
Which I will repeat he has denied many times and that it is only Hird & Corcoran who has claimed otherwise. Evans the person who had the phone conversation with Demetriou has denied it
Have you ever thought why on earth AD rang Evans that night? Did Gary March or Eddie get a call or any other president for that matter? No they didn't. Why would Corcoran and Hird say the opposite to Evans?
Common WP, I gave you more credit than that. What is well known is the the Demetrious are an Essendon supporting family. Always have been and always will be. They are Cypriot and I know people related to them.
AD was trying to warn them and did so. I believe the Hird/Corcoran version because they get no real benefit from saying so and even more than that it makes their club look worse if they in fact are correct!
One day if I catch up with you in the Inner Sanctum I'll show you an email that will blow your socks off. There is so much more to this than what has been reported most of which will never surface. The reason why is that it would destroy a multi billion dollar industry. Nobody, not even ASADA would allow that to happen………….
Come on start sending it around
Somethings are best left buried…..WP is right….. :-X
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If you think no afl on TV is a possibility as you have stated so. You are living in lala lands.
Wp :-\