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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on March 23, 2014, 01:24:06 AM
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Give us back the old Jack Riewoldt
Matthew Lloyd
The Age
March 21, 2014
I want the old Jack Riewoldt back. Remember the one from a few years ago who owned the goal square and was too good in the air for any opposition stuff. This was the same Jack who was cat-like at ground level, mopping up what spillage was left, if he wasn’t able to complete the mark in the air. That to me was vintage Jack, the same Riewoldt who would express himself with pure elation after putting another one through, which would ultimately send the yellow and black faithful into a frenzy.
Riewoldt looks to be a tortured soul at the moment as he has been smashed from pillar to post by the media due to his self-imposed media ban and his departure from the Tigers' five-man leadership group.
Just like his former teammate and iconic Richmond champion Matthew Richardson, Riewoldt wears his heart on his sleeve with all that he does. His recent off-field dramas look to have changed this, curbing his energy and exuberance on the field. It is time for coach Damien Hardwick to start playing Riewoldt to his strengths again. That is, owning the Richmond forward 50 where he belongs, not roaming the half-forward flanks, where the opposition loves to see him.
I don’t really understand it - Riewoldt is far and away the best Richmond forward Hardwick has at his disposal, yet the coach is asking him to adjust his game to accommodate five other forwards whose abilities will never be close to his. I fully understand the argument that Richmond needs a greater spread of options to kick to, when going inside 50, as no team can afford to have one player being the sole focus. That all makes sense, as it worked at Hawthorn with Buddy Franklin, but I don’t see players of the quality of Jarryd Roughead, Cyril Rioli, Jack Gunston or Luke Breust running around in the yellow and black to make up for the shortfall for Riewoldt such as Hawthorn was able to do when Buddy was further up the ground.
Tyrone Vickery looks to be the big beneficiary of the forward-line restructure at Tiger Land over the past 12 months. Riewoldt kicked 59 goals in 2013, which was his lowest total in a season since he was finding his feet at AFL level in 2009. His percentage of ball won inside 50 also dropped from 70 per cent in 2012 to 59 per cent in 2013. Vickery has only ever teased since he made his debut in 2009, kicking 77 goals from his 79 career games, yet he was continually the "go to" player at Metricon Stadium last week in the Tigers' loss.
How is it so that, in the realignment of the Richmond forward line, the ball can go to the best forward by the length of the straight in Riewoldt three times yet Vickery was the go to man 14 times in the loss to the Gold Coast? Surely that wasn’t the intended plan. I know it is only round one and it is only a small sample, but ask Mick Malthouse and Michael Jamison in the lead-up to Thursday night where they would like to see Riewoldt playing and they would not be able to spit out the words "outside the forward 50" quickly enough.
I can’t remember the last time I saw Tom Hawkins leave the forward 50 arc for Geelong. Hawkins has Steve Johnson, Steven Motlop, Allen Christensen and Matty Stokes all hovering at his feet as he provides them with structure. The class smalls also complement Hawkins as they mop up what he can’t mark in the air, yet Riewoldt had to vacate the role that made him the best inside-50 player in the competition for close to three seasons because those around him were not good enough to thrive alongside him when the ball is being funnelled through him. I just don’t understand that.
The justification from the Richmond coaching staff would be that they played finals for the first time in decades with a lesser reliance on Riewoldt, but I reckon it also had a fair bit to do with Troy Chaplin, Alex Rance and Steve Morris all having their best-ever seasons, and Deledio, Cotchin and Martin all finishing in the top five in the best and fairest. Surely, now with a midfield of those three plus Brandon Ellis, Reece Conca and Nick Vlastuin, you would want your best focal point in the line of fire for most of the time, with the alternative being to isolate the gun midfielders when they are resting forward. That sounds more potent to me.
On the Gold Coast last Saturday night, Richmond had 58 inside 50s to the Gold Coast’s 48, yet the Suns managed 27 scoring shots to the Tigers' 19. Yes, Riewoldt and Vickery had bad nights, but I would have loved to have seen Riewoldt take Matthew Warnock back to the goal square a bit more often. I know who I would have backed in, yet Riewoldt and Warnock scrapped it out on the flanks for most of the night. Once again, I just don’t get it.
I don’t need to see Riewoldt express himself on The Footy Show or on Gold FM or wherever else he had a media deal, but I do miss seeing him express himself like he did when he was at the top of his game. I love seeing him belt out the "yellow and black" during the club theme song after the match. I want to see him love the game again, which will in turn help Richmond win games. And the first step must be playing Riewoldt predominantly deep from Thursday night against the Blues.
I look forward to having the old Jack back.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/give-us-back-the-old-jack-riewoldt-20140321-hvl3v.html#ixzz2whYQki5U
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Spot on let Jack do his best work in the square close to goal.Play to his best strong points and let him do his work.You won't see a Ross Lyon do this to a 2 time Coleman winner.As his says yes we do need other avenues to goals,but we don't have the cattle hawks to.
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Hardwick actually play a bloke in their rightful position and give them a role to play that best suits their strengths? Why that's just crazy talk!
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I hope this message gets back to hardwick, I've never been comfortable with the coaches desire for jack to kick less goals. The RFC will be poorer for it if we fail to harness this prodigious talent
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Say you like about Llordo but he did kick 1000 goals and might have a point here.
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Lloyd is spot on with this one. Hardwick is achieving nothing positive at all by trying to disenfranchise Jack from the leadership group and his rightful position at full forward.
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Hardwick to pigheaded to go back. And he especially won't have one of his ex-teammates telling him how he should coach.
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Say you like about Llordo but he did kick 1000 goals and might have a point here.
Got about 5000 free kicks too
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Hardwick to pigheaded to go back. And he especially won't have one of his ex-teammates telling him how he should coach.
What do you base that on
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Hardwick actually play a bloke in their rightful position and give them a role to play that best suits their strengths? Why that's just crazy talk!
Yep 100% agree and we will be reading an identical article about Martin in a few weeks, maybe sooner as there has already been a couple!!!
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Hardwick actually play a bloke in their rightful position and give them a role to play that best suits their strengths? Why that's just crazy talk!
Yep 100% agree and we will be reading an identical article about Martin in a few weeks, maybe sooner as there has already been a couple!!!
OMG an article
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Hardwick actually play a bloke in their rightful position and give them a role to play that best suits their strengths? Why that's just crazy talk!
Yep 100% agree and we will be reading an identical article about Martin in a few weeks, maybe sooner as there has already been a couple!!!
OMG an article
OMG the idiot again.
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Hardwick actually play a bloke in their rightful position and give them a role to play that best suits their strengths? Why that's just crazy talk!
Yep 100% agree and we will be reading an identical article about Martin in a few weeks, maybe sooner as there has already been a couple!!!
Yeah, playing a bloke that can roost the ball onto the tit of a teammate 60m downfield is not playing a bloke to his strengths at all is it? who wants long accurate kicks coming off half back? what a waste!
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LLyod actually does speak some truth in this article.
As he admitted we don't want to be one dimensional. anyone that thinks that if we go back to the 2010 model where jack kicked 78.39 , 30% of our meager 1714 is the recipie for success is delusional.
in the three years since jacks output and our total score for the year have been pretty constant, the improvement that has seen us com up the ladder has been in our scores against, despite having the worst defenders in the league.
So LLoyd is right about our finals appearance being on the back of our defenders.
While our defence was the third best in the leauge last year, we were quite a ways off the top 2 sides (after home and away) in terms of scores kicked and this is where we have to improve.
But for substained success, that improvement needs to come from the forward line in general, not just from the one bloke who is currently our leading scorer.
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Hardwick actually play a bloke in their rightful position and give them a role to play that best suits their strengths? Why that's just crazy talk!
Yep 100% agree and we will be reading an identical article about Martin in a few weeks, maybe sooner as there has already been a couple!!!
Yeah, playing a bloke that can roost the ball onto the tit of a teammate 60m downfield is not playing a bloke to his strengths at all is it? who wants long accurate kicks coming off half back? what a waste!
Yeah, playing a bloke that can roost the ball through the goals from 60m out is not playing a bloke to his strengths at all is it? who wants long accurate kicks going into the forward line or through the big sticks 4-5 time a game? what a waste!
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once again you just highlight that you are not the sharpest tool in the shed.
That is something i have never said. In fact no one has said that he should not or is not spending time forward.
It just seem to sink in that martin is not, nor will he, play predominately accross half back. He is, and will continue to, playing on the ball and resting up forward as well.
But you continue with your tarded line of thinking that he isnt and wont be playing forward at all.
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once again you just highlight that you are not the sharpest tool in the shed.
That is something i have never said. In fact no one has said that he should not or is not spending time forward.
It just seem to sink in that martin is not, nor will he, play predominately accross half back. He is, and will continue to, playing on the ball and resting up forward as well.
But you continue with your tarded line of thinking that he isnt and wont be playing forward at all.
once again you just highlight that you are not the sharpest tool in the shed.
"In fact no one has said that he should not or is not spending time forward." YES THEY HAVE and its not just me.
It just seem to sink in that martin is not, nor will he, play predominately forward. He is, and will continue to, playing back.
But you continue with your line of thinking that he isnt and wont be playing back all the time.
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Lloyd's thinking is 10-12 years out of date.
We didn't make the finals when Jack was our sole focus, we didn't make the 8 with Richo as our sole focus.
If Jack is only effective at FF, then perhaps we need to move Jack on..
Multiple scoring options is exactly what we require and Hardwick is right to follow this path.
It's not all about Jack.
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I can't believe I have just read an article written by Lloyd that I agree 100% with. I'm going outside now to check for low-flying porkers.
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It's not all about freaking Jack, it's the whole forward line
As he said, we don't have Rougheads and Riolis, but there's five other forwards out there supposed to do something and yes, they have to work around Jack mainly. This is where Jack, if he wants to show he's a leader, is to take leadership of the forward line and stop sulking. Give direction without abusing them, work together because the coach sure isn't and get back some confidence and cohesion down there.
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Lloyd's thinking is 10-12 years out of date.
We didn't make the finals when Jack was our sole focus, we didn't make the 8 with Richo as our sole focus.
If Jack is only effective at FF, then perhaps we need to move Jack on..
Multiple scoring options is exactly what we require and Hardwick is right to follow this path.
It's not all about Jack.
But Jack wasn't the reason we didn't make finals and nor was Richo. Neither player in those times had the personnel around them to collectively play finals on any sort of regular basis - a fluke year every now and then was as good as it might ever have been. Now that we have a a tight defence and a strong and burgeoning midfield offering much better supply then there is no need to lose our forward line structure just to cover deficiencies upfield. Riewoldt in the square doing what he does best, Vickery/Elton/McBean at CHF, Edwards (A)/Knights/Lennon as the 3rd-up forward and our mids rotating through the forward line provides a strong structure that stops teams double and triple teaming our key forwards and makes us unpredictable enough to cause the opposition headaches. The thing that will bring us undone is the lack of commitment from the players on field to stick to the team rules and game plan. We need to get the small forward position sorted but there is enough structure and ability around those already there to make finals on a regular basis.
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Lloyd's thinking is 10-12 years out of date.
We didn't make the finals when Jack was our sole focus, we didn't make the 8 with Richo as our sole focus.
If Jack is only effective at FF, then perhaps we need to move Jack on..
Multiple scoring options is exactly what we require and Hardwick is right to follow this path.
It's not all about Jack.
But Jack wasn't the reason we didn't make finals and nor was Richo. Neither player in those times had the personnel around them to collectively play finals on any sort of regular basis - a fluke year every now and then was as good as it might ever have been. Now that we have a a tight defence and a strong and burgeoning midfield offering much better supply then there is no need to lose our forward line structure just to cover deficiencies upfield. Riewoldt in the square doing what he does best, Vickery/Elton/McBean at CHF, Edwards (A)/Knights/Lennon as the 3rd-up forward and our mids rotating through the forward line provides a strong structure that stops teams double and triple teaming our key forwards and makes us unpredictable enough to cause the opposition headaches. The thing that will bring us undone is the lack of commitment from the players on field to stick to the team rules and game plan. We need to get the small forward position sorted but there is enough structure and ability around those already there to make finals on a regular basis.
Disagree. With Jack as our spearhead that we go through predominantly, we become predictable no matter how many goals he kicks personally.
Besides he is NOT the same player of 3 years ago. He has lost his leap for a start.
When was the last time you saw him stand on a players head? Injuries have curtailed what was one of his greatest strengths in the key position role.
He has slimmed right down to try and get some of his leap back and mobility back but based on what we saw against Gold Coast he wasn't all that effective. Moving him back to a KPF role with his current body shape will not work.
I prefer him on the flanks with Vickery and Griffiths/Elton/McBean taking the arial impact, with Jack playing as a lead up forward who crumbs the heavy hitters and sets up goals.
This is one signficant aspect that Lloyd has overlooked in his article, Jack's ability to set up goals.
Yes he only kicked 50 odd last year in a lesser role away from FF but he set up almost as many. His assist work is massively underrated by the media scribes who look for a headline.
I just hope jack is capable of playing the role Hardwick wants him to because if he's ineffective in that position, we might need others to have a crack at it.
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Say you like about Llordo but he did kick 1000 goals and might have a point here.
Got about 5000 free kicks too
Usually do if you play in front ::)
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Disagree. With Jack as our spearhead that we go through predominantly, we become predictable no matter how many goals he kicks personally.
Besides he is NOT the same player of 3 years ago. He has lost his leap for a start.
When was the last time you saw him stand on a players head? Injuries have curtailed what was one of his greatest strengths in the key position role.
He has slimmed right down to try and get some of his leap back and mobility back but based on what we saw against Gold Coast he wasn't all that effective. Moving him back to a KPF role with his current body shape will not work.
I prefer him on the flanks with Vickery and Griffiths/Elton/McBean taking the arial impact, with Jack playing as a lead up forward who crumbs the heavy hitters and sets up goals.
This is one signficant aspect that Lloyd has overlooked in his article, Jack's ability to set up goals.
Yes he only kicked 50 odd last year in a lesser role away from FF but he set up almost as many. His assist work is massively underrated by the media scribes who look for a headline.
I just hope jack is capable of playing the role Hardwick wants him to because if he's ineffective in that position, we might need others to have a crack at it.
Fair enough, I don't agree but only hindsight holds the answer to who's right. :thumbsup
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I get the feeling Lloyd still hasn't gotten over Matty Knights telling him he wouldn't be playing as the sole focus full forward any more under Knights at Essendon. He spat it and retired
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Fair enough, I don't agree but only hindsight holds the answer to who's right. :thumbsup
Indeed. Good debate.
One thing is for sure we need Jack contributing plenty regardless of where he plays..
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once again you just highlight that you are not the sharpest tool in the shed.
That is something i have never said. In fact no one has said that he should not or is not spending time forward.
It just seem to sink in that martin is not, nor will he, play predominately accross half back. He is, and will continue to, playing on the ball and resting up forward as well.
But you continue with your line of thinking that he isnt and wont be playing forward at all.
once again you just highlight that you are not the sharpest tool in the shed.
"In fact no one has said that he should not or is not spending time forward." YES THEY HAVE and its not just me.
It just seem to sink in that martin is not, nor will he, play predominately forward. He is, and will continue to, playing back.
But you continue with your tarded line of thinking that he isnt and wont be playing back all the time.
:lol
When its all you've got, its all you'e got.
You just continue to take your eye of the ball, don't you?
"In fact no one has said that he should not or is not spending time forward." YES THEY HAVE and its not just me.
:huh3
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once again you just highlight that you are not the sharpest tool in the shed.
That is something i have never said. In fact no one has said that he should not or is not spending time forward.
It just seem to sink in that martin is not, nor will he, play predominately accross half back. He is, and will continue to, playing on the ball and resting up forward as well.
But you continue with your line of thinking that he isnt and wont be playing forward at all.
once again you just highlight that you are not the sharpest tool in the shed.
"In fact no one has said that he should not or is not spending time forward." YES THEY HAVE and its not just me.
It just seem to sink in that martin is not, nor will he, play predominately forward. He is, and will continue to, playing back.
But you continue with your tarded line of thinking that he isnt and wont be playing back all the time.
:lol
When its all you've got, its all you'e got.
You just continue to take your eye of the ball, don't you?
"In fact no one has said that he should not or is not spending time forward." YES THEY HAVE and its not just me.
:huh3
We really need to meet to sort our crap out!!!!!
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ooooohhhh, threats.
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im not sure lloyd is correct here. and im not so sure jack spent as much time upfield as he would have us all believe. yeah for sure he played a more hit up role last yr but he still spent significant time in the f/50.
imo since 2010 the one area of jacks game that has slipped each yr is contested marks. it is an area of great concern. hes not even giving a contest in the air half the time.
the reasons for this are likely many. injury, delivery sides working him out no support etc. personally i think hes always been vulnerable 1v1 against big f/b what is happeneing now is teams are taking his run away and forcing him to compete 1v1 and hes struggling.
we have all said it why doesnt he jump anymore simply put without help hes not been given the chance to jump.
by far 2010 was jacks best yr. it was easily his most well rounded yr. good tackle count lots of marks both contested and uncontested. he took 79 marks inside 50, that showed he was good on the lead and he was jumping and taking 2 or 3 contested marks each week. if he didnt take a grab he created a contest. he also had a good i/50 count so when he was being beaten deep he got on his bike it was a good yr.
tom hawkins best yr was 2012.
he kicked 62.38. took 144 marks. 84 marks were inside 50 and he took 54 contested marks. interestingly he delivered the ball inside 50 46 times 3 more times than riewoldt has ever done which suggests rightly hawkins gets on his bike and hits up the ground when need be.
for me jack has things he needs to improve on becomeing well rounded and not so one dimensional is just a few. what really needs to happen more than anything is we find a couple more talls who contribute and compete at all times.
the debate is basically about what role riewoldt should perform. quite simply he should perfrom both the hit up role and play deep when needed. imo jack is struggling in the air to play deep he really needs to get this part of his game on song.
anyway just my opinion on it.
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One on one .high ball to top of square or on a long lead .he wins 7 out 10
End of story
Plays out of square on Thursday we win
Want to have him high up on the wing
Good luck
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Clear out the 50 and just let him lead into space and even a VFL forward will win more of it on an AA defender. It's why teams use spare defenders to clog the space and try to stop this. Unless you've got a massive bloke like Jonno Brown or Cloke then teams will hope you bang it in high to a 1v1 or 1v2 in the goal square every time.
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So how well has our forward line been functioning under the various alternative set-ups we've used?
Why does everyone automatically assume playing Riewoldt as a deep full forward and having more than one option are mutually exclusive and means we'd have to clear out the forward line? The key is the midfield delivery & decision making, a second tall that can compete, knows where to stand and some half decent crumbers.
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Has anyone ever said that they are mutually exclusive?
The key is the midfield delivery & decision making, a second tall that can compete, knows where to stand and some half decent crumbers.
this is spot on, and has very little to do with Riewoldt and how many goals goals he kicks himself
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Has anyone ever said that they are mutually exclusive?
The key is the midfield delivery & decision making, a second tall that can compete, knows where to stand and some half decent crumbers.
this is spot on, and has very little to do with Riewoldt and how many goals goals he kicks himself
This is not the whole story Al.
It's how the mids and backs protect the guy with the ball kicking it forward too. We do not block and protect the ball carrier anywhere near as week as the top teams. This in turn leads to rushed and pressured kicks into the forward line and this in turn gives the opposition backs the chance to cover their men or double team the main guys.
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FWIW I was talking to a club administrator up on GC last week and he was saying that Jack has had a silly amount of surgery in the last few off seasons. A lot more than we know. Reckons its killed his leap.
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Excuses
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You should know better than that Big Willy.....it's the year of no excuses
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It actually doesn't excuse a lot of his shortcomings. But I think it might have a bearing on where he is played.
Not trying to make excuses for him.
He was poo last week, regardless of supply. Needs to lift.
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Champion Tigers goalkicker Matthew Richardson yesterday joined the chorus of critics keen to see Jack Riewoldt, used as a decoy in last year’s final, play closer to goal
“Jack Riewoldt needs to be the deepest forward. He’s the best forward, so he needs to be closest to goal and the main target,’’ he told 3AW.
Source: News Limited (http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-must-decide-whether-to-rush-back-bestandfairest-winner-daniel-jackson/story-fni5f9jc-1226862631439)
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Lol. Damien, Damien...
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FWIW I was talking to a club administrator up on GC last week and he was saying that Jack has had a silly amount of surgery in the last few off seasons. A lot more than we know. Reckons its killed his leap.
If this is the case wouldn't it be all the more reason to play him closer to goal rather than increasing the amount of running he has to do?
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Champion Tigers goalkicker Matthew Richardson yesterday joined the chorus of critics keen to see Jack Riewoldt, used as a decoy in last year’s final, play closer to goal
“Jack Riewoldt needs to be the deepest forward. He’s the best forward, so he needs to be closest to goal and the main target,’’ he told 3AW.
Source: News Limited (http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-must-decide-whether-to-rush-back-bestandfairest-winner-daniel-jackson/story-fni5f9jc-1226862631439)
Richo will be coaching us any day now.
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Moreso the reason is that defenders began to block his run at the ball and therefore his jump. Needs a chance to rotate deep even if he won't play there for the whole game. All depends on matchups as much as anything. We have always been keen to drag Jamison away from goal as much as possible in the past. :-\
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Say you like about Llordo but he did kick 1000 goals and might have a point here.
Got about 5000 free kicks too
Usually do if you play in front ::)
He took about 10 000 dives as well
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Say you like about Llordo but he did kick 1000 goals and might have a point here.
Got about 5000 free kicks too
Usually do if you play in front ::)
He took about 10 000 dives as well
At one stage the Aussie Olympic team had him earmarked for the springboard competition!
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Jumping Jack Please........
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Say you like about Llordo but he did kick 1000 goals and might have a point here.
Got about 5000 free kicks too
Usually do if you play in front ::)
He took about 10 000 dives as well
At one stage the Aussie Olympic team had him earmarked for the springboard competition!
He was also being considered for the Brazilian National soccer team
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Say you like about Llordo but he did kick 1000 goals and might have a point here.
Got about 5000 free kicks too
Usually do if you play in front ::)
He took about 10 000 dives as well
At one stage the Aussie Olympic team had him earmarked for the springboard competition!
He was also being considered for the Brazilian National soccer team
Jacques Cousteau had him on speed dial
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Over 2000-2001 Lloyd had 310 shots at goal and he received 49 free kicks. Must have went alright
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way to waste an afternoon, stat chasing bombers players :clapping
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Get a job ya bum
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Over 2000-2001 Lloyd had 310 shots at goal and he received 49 free kicks. Must have went alright
This will be a test of your leadership Coach. Can you convince everyone Lloyd was actually a good player despite the red sash?
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way to waste an afternoon, stat chasing bombers players :clapping
Would have taken an afternoon if I had your ability to count.
Over 2000-2001 Lloyd had 310 shots at goal and he received 49 free kicks. Must have went alright
This will be a test of your leadership Coach. Can you convince everyone Lloyd was actually a good player despite the red sash?
Think his record speaks for itself really. I think he suffers from some sort of disability but he was champion goal kicker.
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:lol
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I think he suffers from some sort of disability
Gen Y, in general have smaller hearts and reproductive organs.
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I think he suffers from some sort of disability
Gen Y, in general have smaller hearts and reproductive organs.
Gen Y includes all people born between 1977 and 1994.
:thumbsup
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Pretty sure i read the other day that contrary to their reputation as selfish, on average Gen Y actually do more for others ie. charity donations than baby boomers.
I reckon in terms of bitching about other generations you baby boomers have got it in the bag though.
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That's awesome.
If you read it, it must be true.
Hurrah.
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That's awesome.
If you read it, it must be true.
Hurrah.
Yeah nah your right, we're all heartless pin dicks and you're not a bitter old bitch.
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Also, if we are all heartless pin dicks like you suggest, what does that say about the baby boomer parents that raised us?
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Pretty sure i read the other day that contrary to their reputation as selfish, on average Gen Y actually do more for others ie. charity donations than baby boomers.
I reckon in terms of bitching about other generations you baby boomers have got it in the bag though.
You mean that selfish generation that slaved their arrses off so you little shiits could have a great education and more disposable income than they ever dreamed of?
lol
:wallywink
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One on one .high ball to top of square or on a long lead .he wins 7 out 10
End of story
Plays out of square on Thursday we win
Want to have him high up on the wing
Good luck
when was the last time jack won a 1v1 contest. he comes up against jamison again and the odds are jamison will towel him up again.
his overhaed marking and contested marking has been in sready decline for 3 yrs.
he took
54 c/m in 2010,
41 in 2011
39 in 2012
31 in 2013.
im not sure what all the fuss is. despite having a hit up role he spent much more time in the fwd/50 than outside it.
statisticallyhis last 3 yrs have been very similar contested marks aside.
last 3 yrs hes kicked 62, 65, and 58 goals respectively. he has similar i/50s for each yr, similar marks inside 50 for each yr. similar tackle count. similar marks overall. similar disposals each yr.
im not sure what the issue is 58 goals hitting up the ground a bit more or 62 65 goals staying more at home.
just my opinion but if he stays at home and tries to beat jamison one out all the time he will again get his pants pulled down.
the one area of his game that has noticably dropped off is his overhead marking and competeing in the air.
its this area that the side lacks in imo we can afford to play jack as a third tall but atm thats hard to do because none of the others are filling the void.
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Pretty sure i read the other day that contrary to their reputation as selfish, on average Gen Y actually do more for others ie. charity donations than baby boomers.
I reckon in terms of bitching about other generations you baby boomers have got it in the bag though.
You mean that selfish generation that slaved their arrses off so you little shiits could have a great education and more disposable income than they ever dreamed of?
lol
:wallywink
:lol everyone is useless but you right!?. Open your eyes you old ninny, your old man would have said the exact same thing about you. Every generation thinks the next one is lazy and selfish. EVERY ONE. Keep playing the role buddy. :lol
FWIW think neither generation is better or worse . Pretty sick of baby boomers thinking their poo dont stink though.
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Everyone born after the Great Depression is weak as pee.
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:shh
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Love the baby boomers, they are so easy to mooch off
I've never worked a day in my life thanks to those stupid ****ers :lol :cheers
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once again you just highlight that you are not the sharpest tool in the shed.
That is something i have never said. In fact no one has said that he should not or is not spending time forward.
It just seem to sink in that martin is not, nor will he, play predominately accross half back. He is, and will continue to, playing on the ball and resting up forward as well.
But you continue with your tarded line of thinking that he isnt and wont be playing forward at all.
once again you just highlight that you are not the sharpest tool in the shed.
"In fact no one has said that he should not or is not spending time forward." YES THEY HAVE and its not just me.
It just seem to sink in that martin is not, nor will he, play predominately forward. He is, and will continue to, playing back.
But you continue with your line of thinking that he isnt and wont be playing back all the time.
Didn't he kick a goal from the pocket againt GC? Mmmmm wonder how he did that without playing forward ::)
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Everyone born after the Great Depression is weak as pee.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky!
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of our shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.
ALL:
They won't!
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A lot seem to forget he's missed a slab of the pre season with injury. Hopefully Jack just requires a game or two to build match fitness..
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I would rather the young one