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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on May 05, 2014, 02:10:54 PM
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RICHMOND COACH DAMIEN HARDWICK IS THE SPECIAL GUEST ON THE COUCH TONIGHT - 8.30 PM ON FOX FOOTY.
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:thumbsup with my pop corn ;D
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:lol
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Questions for Dimma
1. Are you getting through to the players or have they stopped listening?
2. Why does the team deliver constant inconsistent performances under your coaching?
3. Do you truly believe in your heart that as senior coach you are capable of taking this squad to a premiership in the next 3 years?
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Why are grigg chaplin not dropped when the like of griffs is showing no worse
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Why does it seem as though there are different rules and criteria for some players?
Why has it seemingly taken 6 weeks for the side to be able to run out games?
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Look, [obvious observation], but we think internally [argument] so [justification].
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Do you think it's possible to remove the stench of Tigeritis from the club?
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"Look, we've run into sides that have been in pretty good form. Those sides have some outstanding players in them and we just haven't been on our game." :whistle
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Do you think it's possible to remove the stench of Tigeritis from the club?
Excellent question.
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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Do you think it's possible to remove the stench of Tigeritis from the club?
Excellent question.
:clapping :clapping :clapping
The Skata Cycle. 32 Years and counting. Plop Plop Plop.
But hey some some supporters think its not long enough.
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Can someone post a summary of what Dimma says tonight for those without Foxtel.
Cheers in advance :).
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Can someone post a summary of what Dimma says tonight for those without Foxtel.
Cheers in advance :).
yabb already did above.
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"Look, we've run into sides that have been in pretty good form. Those sides have some outstanding players in them and we just haven't been on our game." :whistle
Edited for accuracy
"Look, we've run some sides into form that have been pretty ordinary. Those sides have some outstanding players in them and we just look forward to being embarrassed by them, both on a coaching and playing level." :whistle
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^^^ :lol
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Oh look we've had our structures in place for 5 seasons now Gerard. We have big bodies but pea hearts, hence our contested ball stats are down.
Blair Hartley has done a great job bring blokes like Grigg, Aaron Edwards, Hampson, Petterd,,Houli to our group whose contributions for the club are there to be seen week in and week out.
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So what did Dimma really actually say?
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Really, what CAN he say ?
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So what did Dimma really actually say?
Healy: Been a tough start to the year, fair to say that expectations haven't been met?
DH: Yeah it's obviously not where we wanted to be. Haven't played well enough for long enough, certainly some upside.
Healy: Can I ask about the loss to Carlton in the final last year. It seemed to spook the club and since then you've experimented with Martin across HB, slowing the ball down, it just seems like it hasn't come out the way it was planned.
DH: We haven't really changed the way we go about it, we still go about attacking the way we want and structure up defensively the same, but it just hasn't clicked as we'd hoped.
Dunstall: You say that the attacking structure hasn't changed but the run and gun style of footy, that has decimated Hawthorn the last 2 years has been missing. Is that a product of trying to sure up the defensive mechanism?
DH: To a degree, it's more about us not moving on the ball as quickly as we'd like. That came about from the guys going into their shells and lacking the confidence to take those attacking kicks on. We've been on the players the last 3-4 weeks to take the game on and rather them make mistakes by trying to be positive rather than negative.
Sheehan: Took a while for that run and gun style to emerge yesterday. 100 disposals for 1 point in the first then 22 minutes in the second before a goal.
DH: Yeah funnily enough Mike, we felt we were playing OK at that stage but just couldn't get the ball past HF with an inexperienced HF group trying to counter a very good Geelong back 6 who zone off very well.
Healy: Can I take you back to something from your presser yesterday, *shows clips with DH talking about how we tried to get a more stoppage based game going early but couldn't* I thought about Gil coming and chatting to you about playing an attacking brand of footy
DH: Geelong are an elite turnover side, but haven't been that good at the stoppages, but this year they have improved in that area. We also know that they are going to have a Taylor or Mackie back there, you only have to look at Taylor taking 5 contested marks. We needed to work our way through that a bit better but just didn't think our way around it and it cost us turnover goals.
Sheehan: But that was your best performance, but against Geelong it's not that good. Fair to say your performances early on against sides you should have beaten have let you down. Your starts early in games just isn't good enough.
DH: Yeah I think we've kicked 16.27 or 16.31 in the last 5 first halves, last year we were averaging 7.5 shots on goal at the moment we're down to around 5. We've tried changing up a few things to try and rectify that as we're getting enough entries into the F50 but we're not getting the scoreboard ticking over our way.
Sheehan: Riewoldt is getting sucked up the ground and he is your primary goal kicker, taking marks on the wing and even further up, he isn't doing that with your instructions is he?
DH: Actually he is, we don't chain him to the goalsquare like we did the bloke beside us, a guy like Hawkins can end up that high at stages, Sheehan: Tommy ends up that high?, well probably not that high up.
Dunstall: Probably a bit of searching for the ball? I want to talk to you about Chaplins bump on Motlop. Surely as a coach you look at that and say if you have an opportunity to get the ball you get it. Look at the vision, he actually runs under and past the ball to lay the bump, the result is the Cats get the ball and scoot away.
DH: Look Troy was really disappointed with that, he is a clean ball player and was lucky not to have got him in the head.
Healy: The bloke on the end of that was Stevie J, I get amazed at how sides let him get off the hook, it's not just the Tigers either, obviously you can't tag them all and decided to go to Selwood, but what was the plan for Stevie?
DH: The plan was to lock down on Stevie at the stoppages, he gets a lot of his meterage from stoppage, we had Jackson and Vlastuin going to him at stages but Stevie is just so smart. He looks at the contest and see that they might win the ball so gets going and before you know it is on the other side of the ground. To Jacksons credit I thought he did a great job after half time, Stevie finished with 29 after 14 in the first quarter.
Healy: You can't have your cake and eat it too? With a bloke like that is it worth hedging your bets?
DH: Well it's hard to tag 2, you've got to choose one or the other. If you tag both you take away your offensive run, so we were prepared to try and lock down on Stevie at the stoppage and work off him. He is a smart player and relies on getting the ball fed to him, we were trying to hurt him by working the other way.
Dunstall: What about the role Martin is playing? When you first got him he looked like a gun midfielder, but since then he has played HB and goal kicking HF, is it a defensive weakness in his game that needed addressing?
DH: Had a bit to do with Deledio being out, we needed some goal kicking up forward so played him there and he has been trying to fill holes around the ground. This week we settled him down and he had a reasonable game accordingly going through the midfield and forward. It's no surprise that Deledio coming back helps settle Dusty down.
Sheehan: Now this bloke Matty White, playing for a side on top of the ladder a week ago.
DH: That's the thing with free agency, he got a good deal from Port with a long term and we weren't prepared to match that, look he is a good player and can play the game, but we were
Sheehan: was it length of contract?
DH: that and the amount of money.
Dunstall: Speaking of Port, I want to get your idea of where the game is heading, are they changing the way the game is going to be played?
DH: Look they have a side full of athletes who can run the length of the ground and sides are looking to attack much more from the back half. The press up defence is still there but sides are folding back even harder now and looking to get the paddock type of goals, I think we're going to see that evolution of the game and sides are trying to work out where they are in that and the zoning type of play. We're probably in the middle of that at the moment.
Sheehan: This is the first hiccup in your coaching career? Your coming now at 45% coming off a pretty big year are you a bit shaky in your belief/self confidence?
DH: Not really, we know where we are at, more importantly we know where we want to go, we just haven't been playing well enough as a club. The good thing about our club is that we knew there was going to be a hiccup at some stage. We find out a lot about ourselves, the club and the players at this stage. We feel that we're over the worst of it, the Hawthorn game we saw some signs and the Geelong game we saw some more. We've got the bye this week and we need to make sure we hit the next block of 4 games up and running.
Healy: Are you happy with the response from your leadership group? When you look at sides like Hawthorn Geelong & Swans, you know the ones that are going to lift. Your captain has tried but hasn't had a lot of support around him are you disappointed that others haven't lifted?
DH: Probably harsh, Jackson only came back, Deledio Maric has been out. Cotchin has been pretty much on his own. You look at the Pies they have a group of 5-6 that get it 25 times in Pendlebury Swan Sidebottom Ball Beams and that helps spread the load. We've got Cotchin and Deledio, Martin is getting there, Ellis Conca Vlastuin are getting there so we've got a relatively young group still developing that consistency. Trent has been a lone hand trying to do it all at this stage.
Dunstall: DO you still think the Tigers will play finals in 2014?
DH: Yeah I do, it's a really even season and we think that 12 wins can get you there. Obviously we're at the wrong end of where we'd like to be right now, but we've played 4 of the top 5 sides at the moment. We just got to play more consistent footy and feel that we should have done better against those sides. However we feel that we've got the game to take it up to those other sides.
Sheehan: Quick one before you go. Big Ivan isn't Polly Farmer but is important to your structure, how far away is he?
DH: If there was a VFL game this week he'd play, so he is probably 3-4 weeks away, he is an important player and guys play better with him around.
Healy: Whats on for the bye?
DH: We'll have a mini review then we're off Thursday & Friday then back into it.
Healy: Do you get away for one weekend?
DH: Heading up to Sydney haven't seen them play yet. Might take the wife away with me.
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After watching the interview and reading between the lines I think Hardwick might think we performed above ourselves last year and we are still a developing side so ups and downs are still a part of the immediate future. It's probably a fair assessment, really think a lot of supporters got ahead of themselves and have had a reality check given our start to the season.
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Didn't say much at all tbh, same stuff he's been saying in the media each week,
-we're nowhere near where we want to be,
-we've been very disappointing but there are signs the past 2 weeks against hawks and geelong that we're on an upward trend.
-Reset after the bye and really focus on the next block of 4 games.
Dunstall asked about our different setups like martin to defence, reiwoldt up the ground etc and perhaps its been a focus on tightening defence after our elim final loss but goinjg too far?(that's where Mike chimed in with the question, did that loss spook the coaching staff?) and has that affected our gamestyle? Dimma replied that our philosophies haven't changed we still want to play how weve always played and dunstall replied "yeah but it looks completely different", to which dimma replied that a drop in form and confidence can do strange things. Then went on to say that we were always going to have a hiccup at some stage, the good thing is you find out a lot about yourself, the club and the players and importantly we still know where we want to get to.
, they showed the chaplin bump and healy got stuck into him for going straight past the ball to give the bump instead of taking an easy possession and as a result geelong goaled directly from it. Dimma said "Look he's a quality ball player and he was disappointed in that" at which point I flicked it back onto masterchef
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Getting ahead of oneself is one thing.
Going backwards is an entire different story
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Cheers YABB and TM. Great detailed summaries :cheers :cheers.
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Oh look....
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Why is Dimma so he'll bent on creating stopages? He has been since day one he came to the club. As my mail (real mail from someone at the club) told me a few years back, we would instruct our forwards lead to the pockets so if there was a spillage, the ball would go out of bounds, so we could start again from a stopage.
Get I clue man, we have ONE decent onballer, most sides tag him now, so move on. Teams like Collingwood with Swanny, Pendleberry, Sidebottom and Beams kill us every time with this style of footy.
If he doesn't change the record soon, he will be left behind.
IMO the game has gone past Dimma.
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Thanks for the wrap fellas.
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Why is Dimma so he'll bent on creating stopages? He has been since day one he came to the club. As my mail (real mail from someone at the club) told me a few years back, we would instruct our forwards lead to the pockets so if it there was a spillage, the ball would go out of bounds, so we could start again from a stopage.
Get I clue man, we have ONE decent onballer, most sides tag him now, so move on. Teams like Collingwood with Swanny, Pendleberry, Sidebottom and Beams kill us every time with this style of footy.
If he doesn't change the record soon, he will be left behind.
IMO the game has gone past Dimma.
Every coach has their own pathetic little idea to rort the game and further disrespect the original spirit in which the game was played.
This is his
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Oh look....
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As my mail (real mail from someone at the club) told me a few years back, we would instruct our forwards lead to the pockets so if it there was a spillage, the ball would go out of bounds, so we could start again from a stopage.
This was in a Roar Vision video with who ever our forward coach was 2 or 3 years ago.
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As my mail (real mail from someone at the club) told me a few years back, we would instruct our forwards lead to the pockets so if it there was a spillage, the ball would go out of bounds, so we could start again from a stopage.
This was in a Roar Vision video with who ever our forward coach was 2 or 3 years ago.
So my mail wasn't lying? Thanks for confirming. Didn't see the Roar Vision but maybe my mail did. Maybe he told the club so everyone knew. Anyway that was 2 or 3 years ago and it was on Roar Vision video and still we keep doing it. Maybe only you and my mail saw it but none of the other clubs did, well hopefully. :thumbsup
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Said very little of any substance, spoke in riddles and constantly used jargon to communicate.
Trying to sound knowledgable because he feels like a fraud?
Bit disappointing tbh.
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Agree ^ Useless interview.
Damien keeps talking in circles.
I hope the players don't get fed that rubbish routine because if they are there's a reason we're running in circles.
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I still think he needs to coach out the year to DSS if he can sneak us into finals but f a r k me dead does he sound stupid or is it just me
Listen to Buckley or Lyon speak, then listen to that rubbish last night
I was laughing it was that pathetic
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Didn't watch it
Did record it on IQ but not sure if I'll bother watching it
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After watching the interview and reading between the lines I think Hardwick might think we performed above ourselves last year and we are still a developing side so ups and downs are still a part of the immediate future. It's probably a fair assessment, really think a lot of supporters got ahead of themselves and have had a reality check given our start to the season.
Hope this is the case Lozza, because it is reality. I'm OK with that. What I'm not OK with is the recruiting top up policy that we have gone with the past few seasons. We are still in the building phase and need more kids to add to the mix. Have no issue with being a middle of the road side as long as we are building a incredibly solid foundation.
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I hate seeing teams kick to pockets. Its awful to watch.
I hate seeing a vacant fwd line and player boot the ball towards the pocket and it goes out and its not deilberate based on some stupid opinion that there was 5% chance the player was shooting for goal. Everyone knows the players kick the ball to pockets to cause a stoppage and get their players forward to lock the ball in. Its awful
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Do you really believe he would honestly tell the likes of Dunstal, Heally and Shehan if he had made an error is judgement with his game plan 'tweeks'? I doubt that very much.
I think that our dip in form is due to confidence which in turn is a drop in performance. The reduced performance is because of injuries to key players and our opposition shutting down our outside players. The fact that Dimma also made our uncontested ball use a focus over the preseason probably contributed to our poor start as it changed the players mindsets away from attacking run and carry football. This is the not the biggest factor in our poor start to the year - I believe the injuries and opposition defense/standard of play is the main reason - but Dimma should take responsibility for that portion of it at the very least.
In saying that, I would be disappointed if he admitted that error because it would give the media too much ammunition and could create a coach sacking media frenzie if our poor performances continued. We don't need external pressure at the club. Let the decisions be left for our administrators.
I think we will turn around our season from here but I don't think it will be enough
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Do you really believe he would honestly tell the likes of Dunstal, Heally and Shehan if he had made an error is judgement with his game plan 'tweeks'? I doubt that very much.
I think that our dip in form is due to confidence which in turn is a drop in performance. The reduced performance is because of injuries to key players and our opposition shutting down our outside players. The fact that Dimma also made our uncontested ball use a focus over the preseason probably contributed to our poor start as it changed the players mindsets away from attacking run and carry football. This is the not the biggest factor in our poor start to the year - I believe the injuries and opposition defense/standard of play is the main reason - but Dimma should take responsibility for that portion of it at the very least.
In saying that, I would be disappointed if he admitted that error because it would give the media too much ammunition and could create a coach sacking media frenzie if our poor performances continued. We don't need external pressure at the club. Let the decisions be left for our administrators.
I think we will turn around our season from here but I don't think it will be enough
regardless of whether we are winning or losing taking any credence in what is being said to the media is just gullability at its highest level
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regardless of whether we are winning or losing taking any credence in what is being said to the media is just gullability at its highest level
:yep Yet we have been victim of pulling the trigger on our coaches due to prolonged media/supporter pressure for decades. We have been better with our last two coaches, to a degree, but clubs are giving longer contracts to players and coaches to avoid that very situation now days.
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Disagree. I would be fine with Hardwick coming out and saying this is what we tried, this is why we tried it, it didn't work out, so this is how we're trying to rectify the situation. I don't think there would be any harm in that. Everyone makes mistakes. It's about how you fix them.
It's not like his mistakes are a secret to anyone.
I think beating around the bush with jargon is far more damaging than taking responsibility for his errors.
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Disagree. I would be fine with Hardwick coming out and saying this is what we tried, this is why we tried it, it didn't work out, so this is how we're trying to rectify the situation. I don't think there would be any harm in that. Everyone makes mistakes. It's about how you fix them.
It's not like his mistakes are a secret to anyone.
I think beating around the bush with jargon is far more damaging than taking responsibility for his errors.
You might think that way and many of us do BUT the media would feast on his carcass.
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Do you really believe he would honestly tell the likes of Dunstal, Heally and Shehan if he had made an error is judgement with his game plan 'tweeks'? I doubt that very much.
You know Brad Scott of North Melbourne is very open and up front about where they make errors. It makes you respect him as a coach. It gives him credibility. It also gives you an insight on how he is going about correcting the problem.
The problem with Dimma is, he keeps making the same mistakes and does not acknowledge them. He likes to pass the buck. There is no indication of any corrective action or anything to suggest he has any idea what is going on. He is just pigheaded. His fake dishonest media interviews fuel the calls for his sacking more than anything else. What motivation does a supporter have to get behind someone like this?
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You know Brad Scott of North Melbourne is very open and up front about where they make errors. It makes you respect him as a coach. It gives him credibility. It also gives you an insight on how he is going about correcting the problem.
Scott likes the sound of his own voice and is positioning for a spot in the commentary box when he inevitably fails.
He's just a slightly smarter version of Terry Wallace.
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Dimmas not a spin doctor - Wallace was a spin doctor. The interviewers were hell bent on getting a headline from him and force him to admit accountability. If the media and supporters would listen to such admissions in context I think more coaches and players would be more honest but we all know the media loves to grab a quote and create a sensational story/angle that suits their agenda. Its all about stirring up the football public and generating interest.
You can only imagine the stories they would write if he said something like - 'We have had our injury concerns this year which has forced us to make some structural changes to the side and our game plan. Not all of them have worked out. The opposition has defended us well and our confidence is low at this stage. I tried to make a few changes to the game plan to help us play a brand of footy that stands up better in the heat of finals but it hasn't worked out at this stage'
Headlines read - 'Hardwick admits mistakes':Damien Hardwick admitted in an interview last night that it was the changes he had made to the game plan this year that had caused the Tigers dramatic drop in form this year etc'
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'Hardwick strips players of confidence'
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'Dumb Dimma'
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'Opposition works tigers out'
and so.....
You have to be so careful with the media because they are not there to be your friend as a coach. They are their to sell papers and generate ratings. Why do you think players are so lifeless and sterile when being interviewed now days?
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You know Brad Scott of North Melbourne is very open and up front about where they make errors. It makes you respect him as a coach. It gives him credibility. It also gives you an insight on how he is going about correcting the problem.
Scott likes the sound of his own voice and is positioning for a spot in the commentary box when he inevitably fails.
He's just a slightly smarter version of Terry Wallace.
Except Wallace at the same stage of his coaching career was taking an average list to successive prelims whereas Scott is struggling to get a decent list into the bottom half of the eight.
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Dimmas not a spin doctor - Wallace was a spin doctor. The interviewers were hell bent on getting a headline from him and force him to admit accountability. If the media and supporters would listen to such admissions in context I think more coaches and players would be more honest but we all know the media loves to grab a quote and create a sensational story/angle that suits their agenda. Its all about stirring up the football public and generating interest.
You can only imagine the stories they would write if he said something like - 'We have had our injury concerns this year which has forced us to make some structural changes to the side and our game plan. Not all of them have worked out. The opposition has defended us well and our confidence is low at this stage. I tried to make a few changes to the game plan to help us play a brand of footy that stands up better in the heat of finals but it hasn't worked out at this stage'
Headlines read - 'Hardwick admits mistakes':Damien Hardwick admitted in an interview last night that it was the changes he had made to the game plan this year that had caused the Tigers dramatic drop in form this year etc'
or
'Hardwick strips players of confidence'
or
'Dumb Dimma'
or
'Opposition works tigers out'
and so.....
You have to be so careful with the media because they are not there to be your friend as a coach. They are their to sell papers and generate ratings. Why do you think players are so lifeless and sterile when being interviewed now days?
I don't doubt that's true for a moment buts its largely due to our performances and the lack of respect the media and fans have for him that they would jump on those headlines. You can't say Dimma doesn't spin after the "We have improved" type of comments. The sad thing is, all the headlines you have suggested above are true and deserved. Is being scared really an excuse for not being honest with supporters and showing leadership? What message does that send.
The only thing Dimma has achieved this year is managed expectations by poor performances. When we beat a few easy beat teams, he will be feeling pretty chuffed with himself and us fans will be stuck wondering again if the club will ever move forwards.
North Melbourne headline, despite their loss on the weekend. "North Melbourne vows to attack again." Its a very different message.
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Here's the video clip of Dimma last night on the Couch ...
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-05-06/hardwick-on-the-couch
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Dimmas not a spin doctor - Wallace was a spin doctor. The interviewers were hell bent on getting a headline from him and force him to admit accountability. If the media and supporters would listen to such admissions in context I think more coaches and players would be more honest but we all know the media loves to grab a quote and create a sensational story/angle that suits their agenda. Its all about stirring up the football public and generating interest.
You can only imagine the stories they would write if he said something like - 'We have had our injury concerns this year which has forced us to make some structural changes to the side and our game plan. Not all of them have worked out. The opposition has defended us well and our confidence is low at this stage. I tried to make a few changes to the game plan to help us play a brand of footy that stands up better in the heat of finals but it hasn't worked out at this stage'
Headlines read - 'Hardwick admits mistakes':Damien Hardwick admitted in an interview last night that it was the changes he had made to the game plan this year that had caused the Tigers dramatic drop in form this year etc'
or
'Hardwick strips players of confidence'
or
'Dumb Dimma'
or
'Opposition works tigers out'
and so.....
You have to be so careful with the media because they are not there to be your friend as a coach. They are their to sell papers and generate ratings. Why do you think players are so lifeless and sterile when being interviewed now days?
I don't doubt that's true for a moment buts its largely due to our performances and the lack of respect the media and fans have for him that they would jump on those headlines. You can't say Dimma doesn't spin after the "We have improved" type of comments. The sad thing is, all the headlines you have suggested above are true and deserved. Is being scared really an excuse for not being honest with supporters and showing leadership? What message does that send.
The only thing Dimma has achieved this year is managed expectations by poor performances. When we beat a few easy beat teams, he will be feeling pretty chuffed with himself and us fans will be stuck wondering again if the club will ever move forwards.
North Melbourne headline, despite their loss on the weekend. "North Melbourne vows to attack again." Its a very different message.
It's called facing the brutal truth.
People see through the BS, Hardwick is being poorly advised.