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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Jackstar is back!!! on June 15, 2014, 07:20:24 PM
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After watching the Dogs and the Demons win today
2 things .they are both on the right track
we need to SACK Hardwick
We are going in the wrong direction
No more spin
No more weak excuses
He has to go
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Give it a rest Jack
They ain't going to sack him so deal with it
Whether it right or wrong, bottom line there will he no coaching change at the RFC
As I said deal with it
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Agree don't think Hardwick is our answer but we won't be sacking him.
Boards fault.
Game plan is awful. So far behind the comp.
Need other changes as we won't waste $$ on sacking Hardwick.
Surely we can pinch an assistant from Sydney or Geelong. Even Port.
Wouldn't be hard to be better than our muppet supporting hardwick.
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Hardwicks 5th year
Another 2 years if this garbage when the Demons and Dogs play exciting footy
He has to go
Sorry .just had to happen
What we going to be on bottom 4 for this year and next two
You must be joking
Keep in mind Dogs and Demons beat us g
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Give it a break , if u wanna contribute something, get down to the club and show your support at training , hang over the fence and applaud them , be encouraging , this isn't helping
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Ok, so we sack the coach. What will it achieve? Instant results under a caretaker coach.
Who else is available for the big job next year? No-one really, so we may just end up with another hardwick type coach anyway. But it will cost us a few million bucks on a contract pay out plus send a message to the playing group that they were never responsible, just like we have since Hafey last coached.
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Give it a break , if u wanna contribute something, get down to the club and show your support at training , hang over the fence and applaud them , be encouraging , this isn't helping
Why don't you
I already did for 5 years
Your turn now genius
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Surely the geniuses at Board level would have a get out clause in Hardwicks 2 year extension
Eg .More than 6 wins or no extension
Or does the RFC just pay him $1.3m for the next 2 years without playing finals
Please tell me this ain't true ? ::)
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Give it a break , if u wanna contribute something, get down to the club and show your support at training , hang over the fence and applaud them , be encouraging , this isn't helping
Why don't you
I already did for 5 years
Your turn now genius
Well I would if I didn't work FT, :o
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Today just showed what an absolute mess the RFC is
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Hardwicks 5th year
Another 2 years if this garbage when the Demons and Dogs play exciting footy
He has to go
Sorry .just had to happen
What we going to be on bottom 4 for this year and next two
You must be joking
Keep in mind Dogs and Demons beat us g
I do not agree with the bolded. They may play disciplined footy but I would't say this year they have been exciting at all! They have strangled the opposition and generally have the lowest scoring games. The only excitement is that they are winning games now when they weren't before.
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Surely the geniuses at Board level would have a get out clause in Hardwicks 2 year extension
Eg .More than 6 wins or no extension
Or does the RFC just pay him $1.3m for the next 2 years without playing finals
Please tell me this ain't true ? ::)
He s only on 400k + a year :shh
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The Dogs have been largely disappointing this year.
They jagged a good one today but lost at home to Btisbane last week.
If the Doggies wore Richmond jumpers you'd be calling for McCarthys head.
The Demons, the Collingwood game was a disgrace to AFL football.
They have shown heart but the style of play is very negative.
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I'm with Jackstar, never got anything wrong in his life and hasn't now
I'm so furious
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Hardwicks 5th year
Another 2 years if this garbage when the Demons and Dogs play exciting footy
He has to go
Sorry .just had to happen
What we going to be on bottom 4 for this year and next two
You must be joking
Keep in mind Dogs and Demons beat us g
I do not agree with the bolded. They may play disciplined footy but I would't say this year they have been exciting at all! They have strangled the opposition and generally have the lowest scoring games. The only excitement is that they are winning games now when they weren't before.
Watch both last quarters
Pity we can't play footy like this
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Hardwicks 5th year
Another 2 years if this garbage when the Demons and Dogs play exciting footy
He has to go
Sorry .just had to happen
What we going to be on bottom 4 for this year and next two
You must be joking
Keep in mind Dogs and Demons beat us g
That's one
I do not agree with the bolded. They may play disciplined footy but I would't say this year they have been exciting at all! They have strangled the opposition and generally have the lowest scoring games. The only excitement is that they are winning games now when they weren't before.
Watch both last quarters
Pity we can't play footy like this
I can pick single quarters that we have played exciting footy too (even this year)!
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GWS doesn't count
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Well something has to give at some stage, we can't can't accepting this. The Dees were a basket case and last year we flogged the Dogs, they have both past us and next year could get worse. Something has to change or a change has to be forced. Unfortunately I can see the latter happening first. Hardwick has got us to a final and that's it, we could go backwards from here... :-\
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Well something has to give at some stage, we can't can't accepting this. The Dees were a basket case and last year we flogged the Dogs, they have both past us and next year could get worse. Something has to change or a change has to be forced. Unfortunately I can see the latter happening first. Hardwick has got us to a final and that's it, we could go backwards from here... :-\
You want to go shotgun in the dump truck?
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Give it a break , if u wanna contribute something, get down to the club and show your support at training , hang over the fence and applaud them , be encouraging , this isn't helping
Go and get stuff.e.d Bj no one with any sanity is gonna go waste their time applauding that bunch of imposters ;D
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Best quarters of football we played for the year bar GWS were
2nd against North last week.
3rd against Geelong
1st against Carlton
To me that indicates a fitness issue in that we either cannot run out games effectively and if you add the Dogs game which I am not the second half we have run in the second half if our first half has been paltry, memo to the Geelong game also. We are not as fit as other sides and it shows added to many other on field issues we have. Really struggling to find positives here. :help
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When the Dees or Dogs have a shocker in the weeks ahead can we just switch thread titles to include any teams that win that week
Thanks for considering
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When the Dees or Dogs have a shocker in the weeks ahead can we just switch thread titles to include any teams that win that week
Thanks for considering
Half way through the season and they have played better than us, surely that says something??
Thanks for considering
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Think some posters here should take the blinkers off
Have a look at the ladder
Have a look at team selection at punt rd this year
Have a look at drindling attendances and if you still think we are headed in the right direction .you have rocks in your head
If we cannot make significant improvement for the rest of the year Hardwick will have to go
We will lose 20,000 members so it will become a footy and business issue
Club is a mess
22.000 attending yesterday says it all
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Lets not forget who beat the dogs last week. Dees have improved, dogs haven't, just a lucky upset.
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Think some posters here should take the blinkers off
Have a look at the ladder
Have a look at team selection at punt rd this year
Have a look at drindling attendances and if you still think we are headed in the right direction .you have rocks in your head
If we cannot make significant improvement for the rest of the year Hardwick will have to go
We will lose 20,000 members so it will become a footy and business issue
Club is a mess
22.000 attending yesterday says it all
You made the comment on exciting football by Melbourne who have been the least exciting team this year. They have improved immensely but nobody has ever described Paul Roos game plan as exciting.
All of us can see where we are on the ladder. All of us agree on the poor team selection. All of us can see the dwindling attendances.
None of us like it.
Not one bit.
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Think some posters here should take the blinkers off
Have a look at the ladder
Have a look at team selection at punt rd this year
Have a look at drindling attendances and if you still think we are headed in the right direction .you have rocks in your head
If we cannot make significant improvement for the rest of the year Hardwick will have to go
We will lose 20,000 members so it will become a footy and business issue
Club is a mess
22.000 attending yesterday says it all
22000 says it all. Totally agree fans have voted with their feet.
Fixturing hasn't helped either Jack with 3 consecutive away games since we played Melbourne.
Weather forecast for Friday at this stage is 12-13 degrees with cold SW winds and showers. Bottom line will get dealt a severe jolt there too.
Club was ruined with foul weather in our first two home games against Blues and Pies impacting attendances and by the time we got to Hawthorn fans were abandoning ship.
Clubs bottom line has been impacted and to sack the coach now or in the short term future will impact it further. How good the club is will determine what their middle term future plan is like. Could we expect to see increases in membership prices or merchandise who knows but the club at least for this season or next regardless of results will not be moving on Hardwick.
In 2007 we suffered horrendous losses especially to Geelong with Wallace having two years on his contract and the club were not willing to move. The club has only now gone debt free given current events I doubt they will be willing to get back into the red too quickly given the plans they had for 2014 and beyond.
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Think some posters here should take the blinkers off
Have a look at the ladder
Have a look at team selection at punt rd this year
Have a look at drindling attendances and if you still think we are headed in the right direction .you have rocks in your head
If we cannot make significant improvement for the rest of the year Hardwick will have to go
We will lose 20,000 members so it will become a footy and business issue
Club is a mess
22.000 attending yesterday says it all
You made the comment on exciting football by Melbourne who have been the least exciting team this year. They have improved immensely but nobody has ever described Paul Roos game plan as exciting.
All of us can see where we are on the ladder. All of us agree on the poor team selection. All of us can see the dwindling attendances.
None of us like it.
Not one bit.
Dees won with 36 inside 50's to 69. Whilst credit must go to Melbourne for hanging in there for as long as they could and running over the top of them ultimately, the discrepancy also raises issues about Essendon and their inability to kill off the game whilst the game was played on their terms . After all last time the two sides met there was an 148 point gulf between them. Whilst improvement can come quickly given a fresh start the key is the second year after a goal is attained. Look at us finals last year, Skata this year.
Port are the real exception to this rule at the moment.
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Best quarters of football we played for the year bar GWS were
2nd against North last week.
3rd against Geelong
1st against Carlton
To me that indicates a fitness issue in that we either cannot run out games effectively and if you add the Dogs game which I am not the second half we have run in the second half if our first half has been paltry, memo to the Geelong game also. We are not as fit as other sides and it shows added to many other on field issues we have. Really struggling to find positives here. :help
It's not just fitness or personel or trades or delistings or anything else.
It's Tigeritis™®©
It's the Skata cycle. Plop plop plop!!!(used by permission)
Fix the culture first everything else falls into place.
We need a coach that can do this. I thought Hardwick was the one but he has failed us all.
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Well something has to give at some stage, we can't can't accepting this. The Dees were a basket case and last year we flogged the Dogs, they have both past us and next year could get worse. Something has to change or a change has to be forced. Unfortunately I can see the latter happening first. Hardwick has got us to a final and that's it, we could go backwards from here... :-\
the reality was and most did not want to acknowledge it, there was a large group of clubs who were within a bulls roar of each other. we were one of them despite winning 15 games.
its no big surprise to me that the dogs and demons have beaten us. i wont say gone past us.
tyson, salem vince and cross have added enormously to their ability to compete. if we are smart there is no reason why we could not achieve a similar result. the trouble is we the club have to actually acknowledge the need to do it. we have to be prepared to take a step backwards, well we had to be prepared to do that at the end of last yr to take decent steps fwd.
not a huge amount has really changed. we were a middling side last yr despite finals, and we are a middling to bottom side now.
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Think some posters here should take the blinkers off
Have a look at the ladder
Have a look at team selection at punt rd this year
Have a look at drindling attendances and if you still think we are headed in the right direction .you have rocks in your head
If we cannot make significant improvement for the rest of the year Hardwick will have to go
We will lose 20,000 members so it will become a footy and business issue
Club is a mess
22.000 attending yesterday says it all
Jack, in your view he has to go but the reality is whether you like it or not and clearly you don't he will not be sacked. Not this week and not at the end of the season 2014.
It simply isn't going to happen, right or wrong it isn't going to happen
You can throw up all the points in the world and I reckon like YBB said very few will dispute them as the majority feel the same way but it isn't going to make any difference, he will not be sacked
To keep bringing it up is pointless as it ain't going to happen
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Give it a rest Jack
They ain't going to sack him so deal with it
Whether it right or wrong, bottom line there will he no coaching change at the RFC
As I said deal with it
You deal with low crowds and shyte supporter moral
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Ok, so we sack the coach. What will it achieve? Instant results under a caretaker coach.
Who else is available for the big job next year? No-one really, so we may just end up with another hardwick type coach anyway. But it will cost us a few million bucks on a contract pay out plus send a message to the playing group that they were never responsible, just like we have since Hafey last coached.
Sacking the coach works for free port Melb saints - but not us?
Perhaps new coach would revitalise the group. Focus on long term goal and play kids.
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I can't think of a more failed season in my lifetime to be honest.
Its been a disgrace. Something has to change. We can't sack Hardwick and waste the FTF. If he hadn't been extended he would be holidaying since the Essendon debacle. We are locked in now thanks to the inept board. Life goes on.
Need to change the coaching structure and game plan, on field leadership needs to be looked at and the awful management of the playing list and moneyball / recycled merry go round needs to be reviewed intensively
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I can't think of a more failed season in my lifetime to be honest.
Its been a disgrace. Something has to change. We can't sack Hardwick and waste the FTF. If he hadn't been extended he would be holidaying since the Essendon debacle. We are locked in now thanks to the inept board. Life goes on.
Need to change the coaching structure and game plan, on field leadership needs to be looked at and the awful management of the playing list and moneyball / recycled merry go round needs to be reviewed intensively
2009 is up there. Locked and loaded. We were fornicated and fizzled by quarter time against Carlton. :help
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Something has to change
He refuses to play guys from the VFL who should be given a game to see if they can play
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At the end of the season it is clear there has to be a review of the football department. Consideration should be given to sacking the recruiting staff and assistant coaches except for Choco. There needs to be a culling of the list. There needs to be an emphasis on drafting the best available youth. To reignite interest in the club drastic change is needed. It is not just Hardwick at fault it is the players, team selection, assistant coaches and the recruiting staff that are at fault for this mess.
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Funny how a certain poster starts up the " sack the coach".
Deja vu 5 years ago re: Wallace. :sleep
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Funny how a certain poster starts up the " sack the coach".
Deja vu 5 years ago re: Wallace. :sleep
Yep Groundhog Day, the skata cycle plop plop plop
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Sack the coach threads start off as a bit of fun.
It's up to the coach where they end up going.....
SACK HARDWICK
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Plop plop plop
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Sack the coach threads start off as a bit of fun.
It's up to the coach where they end up going.....
SACK HARDWICK
I intend to start one for the next joker the day he signs if his press conference isn't up to scratch.
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just to keep him honest ;D
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How come Choco's head isn't on the chopping board? People were claiming he was doing all the coaching behind the scenes last year and was the real reason we were playing good footy. Funny how that changes when we start losing.
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Watch this video of the demons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zu7xRhklIU
Can't believe they are now head of us in terms of development in 8 months or whatever.
If you go to 1:30 you will see Melbournes captain running it out of defence at full pace ( havent seen cotchin do this, likes to jog along )
Then you will see him pass it to a team mate slightly more in board. This is something we do wrong all the time... from here the play immediately turns into the corridor to kick it long into the FWD line, our players would attempt to go back down the line by either kicking it long to the pocket or trying to give the ball back to the captain who is not in a good position and has a man on him with supreme pressure. Something similar to this happened with Dea and Cotchin. Our players get scared and give it to Cotch no matter what, gotta feel for Trent as his form is obviously taking a hit due to his team mates and the massive pressure.
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The game plan not the players..
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Our players get scared and give it to Cotch no matter what, gotta feel for Trent as his form is obviously taking a hit due to his team mates and the massive pressure.
Cotchin looks like he's playing with the weight of the world on his shoulders, Really looks like he isn't enjoying playing footy. That's a shame.
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Not sure if the Dees and Dogs will both win this week, as the Dees have Port.
Should look to changing thread title to insert GWS instead of Dees as GWS are playing the Blues
Thanks for considering
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Not sure if the Dees and Dogs will both win this week, as the Dees have Port.
Should look to changing thread title to insert GWS instead of Dees as GWS are playing the Blues
Thanks for considering
:sleep
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj2inKBgqH4
Go to 2:06
Morris overtakes 3 richmond players to try and lay a tackle. Simple lack of effort here, look at newman just jogging along nicely. pathetic,
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj2inKBgqH4
Go to 2:06
Morris overtakes 3 richmond players to try and lay a tackle. Simple lack of effort here, look at newman just jogging along nicely. pathetic,
hmm, Newman seems to move alright below
(http://i.imgur.com/hM6Sq.gif)
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Seems to have put on weight during his injury layoff. ;D
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj2inKBgqH4
Go to 2:06
Morris overtakes 3 richmond players to try and lay a tackle. Simple lack of effort here, look at newman just jogging along nicely. pathetic,
Sad thing is I think he was pushing himself a bit he is just that slow.
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Dogs just got their nuts ripped off chewed up and spat back at them by Port
FFS change the thread title we look like the utter morons of the internet forum world by holding the Dogs up as the benchmark
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When was the last time Richmond beat Collingwood?
Did Richmond beat the Dogs this year?
Chuck it in towel Chuck. ;D
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When was the last time Richmond beat Collingwood?
Did Richmond beat the Dogs this year?
Chuck it in towel Chuck. ;D
hhaaarrggghhh oh the truth it hurts :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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GWS won, FFS put them in the thread title
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Dees got flogged this week
FFS we look like Internet forum nuffers with this thread
Change it to GWS NOW
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Dees got flogged this week
FFS we look like Internet forum nuffers with this thread
Change it to GWS NOW
No they didn't
They were in it the majority of the contest
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Dees got flogged this week
FFS we look like Internet forum nuffers with this thread
Change it to GWS NOW
No they didn't
They were in it the majority of the contest
They played boring Roos Rugby football and were never really in it
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Dees got flogged this week
FFS we look like Internet forum nuffers with this thread
Change it to GWS NOW
No they didn't
They were in it the majority of the contest
They played boring Roos Rugby football and were never really in it
Effective boring roos footy
Got much upside than us given each clubs respective coaching
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regardless of our predicament its a blight on the game
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If roos was at richmond the club would bebop 6 and you would not be crying regardless of style
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Bebop as in she's a bop girl?
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Bebop as in she's a bop girl?
Roos is so kawaii
(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/7372/fh5x.jpg)
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regardless of our predicament its a blight on the game
AGREE :laugh:
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OK Dees kick four goals for a whole game of footy, and I am going to hazard a guess that it was a boring as batshit game of football as well.
But hey let's hold the Demons up as something to aspire to.
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If Roos or Ross Lyon came anywhere near Tigerland I would not only microwave my membership for all eternity, but I would put my home in the heart of Richmond up for sale and move to the North Pole.
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If Roos or Ross Lyon came anywhere near Tigerland I would not only microwave my membership for all eternity, but I would put my home in the heart of Richmond up for sale and move to the North Pole.
Wow.
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If Roos or Ross Lyon came anywhere near Tigerland I would not only microwave my membership for all eternity, but I would put my home in the heart of Richmond up for sale and move to the North Pole.
Wow.
Oh, and further to that, I would then take up a lifelong interest in the much under-appreciated sport of synchronised paint-drying.
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If EFC players don't get two yr bans - I shall join you
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If Roos or Ross Lyon came anywhere near Tigerland I would not only microwave my membership for all eternity, but I would put my home in the heart of Richmond up for sale and move to the North Pole.
Wow.
Oh, and further to that, I would then take up a lifelong interest in the much under-appreciated sport of synchronised paint-drying.
I am surprised to hear this.
I assume your position is due to dislike ping roos/Lyon defensive football.
Fom my perspective - hardwick also plays defensive football. He plays in an ugly style kicking toward the pocket. Not only is this not an effective style, it's no good on the eye.
I believe the list is strong enough to be a top four or six side under a roos and Lyon.
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If Roos or Ross Lyon came anywhere near Tigerland I would not only microwave my membership for all eternity, but I would put my home in the heart of Richmond up for sale and move to the North Pole.
Double Wow....I just want to see a premiership before I die - and if Richmond play a "boa constrictor " style of football that's just dandy.
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If Roos or Ross Lyon came anywhere near Tigerland I would not only microwave my membership for all eternity, but I would put my home in the heart of Richmond up for sale and move to the North Pole.
Wow.
Oh, and further to that, I would then take up a lifelong interest in the much under-appreciated sport of synchronised paint-drying.
I am surprised to hear this.
I assume your position is due to dislike ping roos/Lyon defensive football.
Fom my perspective - hardwick also plays defensive football. He plays in an ugly style kicking toward the pocket. Not only is this not an effective style, it's no good on the eye.
I believe the list is strong enough to be a top four or six side under a roos and Lyon.
Not the current list they do not tackle enough
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If Roos or Ross Lyon came anywhere near Tigerland I would not only microwave my membership for all eternity, but I would put my home in the heart of Richmond up for sale and move to the North Pole.
Wow.
Oh, and further to that, I would then take up a lifelong interest in the much under-appreciated sport of synchronised paint-drying.
I am surprised to hear this.
I assume your position is due to dislike ping roos/Lyon defensive football.
Fom my perspective - hardwick also plays defensive football. He plays in an ugly style kicking toward the pocket. Not only is this not an effective style, it's no good on the eye.
I believe the list is strong enough to be a top four or six side under a roos and Lyon.
Not the current list they do not tackle enough
They would under roos or Lyon
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If Roos or Ross Lyon came anywhere near Tigerland I would not only microwave my membership for all eternity, but I would put my home in the heart of Richmond up for sale and move to the North Pole.
Wow.
Oh, and further to that, I would then take up a lifelong interest in the much under-appreciated sport of synchronised paint-drying.
I am surprised to hear this.
I assume your position is due to dislike ping roos/Lyon defensive football.
Fom my perspective - hardwick also plays defensive football. He plays in an ugly style kicking toward the pocket. Not only is this not an effective style, it's no good on the eye.
I believe the list is strong enough to be a top four or six side under a roos and Lyon.
Not the current list they do not tackle enough
They would under roos or Lyon
Not half of them
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If Roos or Ross Lyon came anywhere near Tigerland I would not only microwave my membership for all eternity, but I would put my home in the heart of Richmond up for sale and move to the North Pole.
Double Wow....I just want to see a premiership before I die - and if Richmond play a "boa constrictor " style of football that's just dandy.
I am in the same boat as matt.
I want to die seeing one flag for the yellow and black.
This is why I am strongly against playing mature list blockers over young kids that could be potential decent. And against winning meaningless games against the lion and saints that are mostly 18 year old.
The lack of understanding of the system the clubs finds it self in.
Also why I find my self in the sack the coach pperspective.
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If Roos or Ross Lyon came anywhere near Tigerland I would not only microwave my membership for all eternity, but I would put my home in the heart of Richmond up for sale and move to the North Pole.
Wow.
Oh, and further to that, I would then take up a lifelong interest in the much under-appreciated sport of synchronised paint-drying.
I am surprised to hear this.
I assume your position is due to dislike ping roos/Lyon defensive football.
Fom my perspective - hardwick also plays defensive football. He plays in an ugly style kicking toward the pocket. Not only is this not an effective style, it's no good on the eye.
I believe the list is strong enough to be a top four or six side under a roos and Lyon.
Not the current list they do not tackle enough
They would under roos or Lyon
Not half of them
After watching roos and Lyon teams for some years - I am confident the players would tackle hard and be well structured. If not they wouldn't get a gig. (Griggs, houlis
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was astounded yesterday to see Bacha metres behind his man on countless occasions....just no accountability
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If Roos or Ross Lyon came anywhere near Tigerland I would not only microwave my membership for all eternity, but I would put my home in the heart of Richmond up for sale and move to the North Pole.
Wow.
Oh, and further to that, I would then take up a lifelong interest in the much under-appreciated sport of synchronised paint-drying.
I am surprised to hear this.
I assume your position is due to dislike ping roos/Lyon defensive football.
Fom my perspective - hardwick also plays defensive football. He plays in an ugly style kicking toward the pocket. Not only is this not an effective style, it's no good on the eye.
I believe the list is strong enough to be a top four or six side under a roos and Lyon.
My gut feeling is that the Tigers ideally would like to play the high scoring, free flowing footy that the public enjoys, but are frustrated and stymied by the tendency of most teams nowadays to turn the game into an ugly, congested slog. Clearly we have no answer for it, and as such we are playing, hesitant, timid and confused. Basically, the only way to overcome this style is to beat these teams at their own game, but as many on here have correctly noted, we have too many soft, lazy and unaccountable players to achieve that. I would love to see another Premiership before I die too, but unlike Matt and possibly many others here I don't want to do it by seeing us strangle out a six goal winning score line in a September snorefest.
It's funny that this argument should come up here, because it's one I've had many times with a fellow Tiger fanatic who claims I would accept any kind of win just to break the drought, while I'm adamant that I wouldn't accept us playing the Roos/Lyon style under ANY circumstances. I just want to take back the old game that I once loved and really miss from these effing vandals.
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If Roos or Ross Lyon came anywhere near Tigerland I would not only microwave my membership for all eternity, but I would put my home in the heart of Richmond up for sale and move to the North Pole.
Wow.
Oh, and further to that, I would then take up a lifelong interest in the much under-appreciated sport of synchronised paint-drying.
I am surprised to hear this.
I assume your position is due to dislike ping roos/Lyon defensive football.
Fom my perspective - hardwick also plays defensive football. He plays in an ugly style kicking toward the pocket. Not only is this not an effective style, it's no good on the eye.
I believe the list is strong enough to be a top four or six side under a roos and Lyon.
My gut feeling is that the Tigers ideally would like to play the high scoring, free flowing footy that the public enjoys, but are frustrated and stymied by the tendency of most teams nowadays to turn the game into an ugly, congested slog. Clearly we have no answer for it, and as such we are playing, hesitant, timid and confused. Basically, the only way to overcome this style is to beat these teams at their own game, but as many on here have correctly noted, we have too many soft, lazy and unaccountable players to achieve that. I would love to see another Premiership before I die too, but unlike Matt and possibly many others here I don't want to do it by seeing us strangle out a six goal winning score line in a September snorefest.
It's funny that this argument should come up here, because it's one I've had many times with a fellow Tiger fanatic who claims I would accept any kind of win just to break the drought, while I'm adamant that I wouldn't accept us playing the Roos/Lyon style under ANY circumstances. I just want to take back the old game that I once loved and really miss from these effing vandals.
It's an interesting discussion IMO. No doubt in a perfect world dimma would pay beautiful, high scoring total football. However as others have stated there is no plan b. what is dimma response when the opposition puts men behind the ball? I cannot forget the north game when Scott put 18 blokes behind the ball and ran out rugby style to score time and time again. Is there some game plan to counter this?
It is not the coach fault that the trend is ugly rugby/soccer possession defensive football. But he is at fault is his too tactically poor to either embrace the trend or counter act it.
IMO the spot at the top level has been ugly for a long time... I am shocked to hear you wouldn't want a prove. Gun coach at richmond.
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Judge, Tommy Hafey's philosophy was that the game was won on attacking footy. Ideally I subscribe to this view as well. I realize however that the game has long since evolved or more aptly devolved well beyond Tommy's style of play, and more's the pity. I miss the days when players more or less stuck to their positions, and when the play was down the other end of the ground the key forwards and defenders would stand alongside each other with hands on hips waiting for the ball to come back towards them, ready to throw themselves back into the fray. The days when the positions on a team sheet actually meant something. Now, you could attend any game over any round, and all you will see are 36 blokes playing twister on a postage stamp, while tumbleweeds blow through vast expanses of the ground, and I HATE THAT!!
I can't understand why you'd be surprised that I wouldn't want a Paul Roos or a Ross Lyon within a mile of my footy club. I'm just so disillusioned with the game right now. In fact I haven't been to a game since the Essendon debacle.Between Richmond's 32 year (and counting ) cycle of ongoing hopelessness, the rugby crap that the game's degenerated into, the tanking denials, Essendon's never ending drug saga, inconsistent MRP rulings, the favouritism shown to the Interstate sides, particularly the resources thrown at the new mickey mouse franchises, I really feel like giving the game away.
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Great posts RR :clapping
The game is going to a bad state and away from what made it the icon of Australia sport. I fear it will not be able to reverse the current trend of ugly football.
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Soccer is a great game.
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No its not, would rather watch my Grandma pick lint out of her washing
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You do that then. Tell her I said hi
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You do that then. Tell her I said hi
Rumour was you already did that last night
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No its not, would rather watch my Grandma pick lint out of her washing
Judge wants to pick it out of her belly button
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Great posts RR :clapping
The game is going to a bad state and away from what made it the icon of Australia sport. I fear it will not be able to reverse the current trend of ugly football.
But is it hardwicka fault to fix the ugliness of the game?
Shouldn't he focus on winning a flag?
Are these two things separate?
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was astounded yesterday to see Bacha metres behind his man on countless occasions....just no accountability
for a 188cm player hes just too slow. at afl level he is your typical in betweener.
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Great posts RR :clapping
The game is going to a bad state and away from what made it the icon of Australia sport. I fear it will not be able to reverse the current trend of ugly football.
But is it hardwicka fault to fix the ugliness of the game?
Shouldn't he focus on winning a flag?
Are these two things separate?
No, it's not Hardwick's job to fix the ugliness of the game. Just as its' not Hardwick's job to fix the half a dozen or so other things like tanking, drug cheating etc. that I listed which are turning me and possibly many others off the game at a rate of knots. The dilemma for Hardwick and Richmond is that he either doesn't have a plan or the personnel to counter this current trend of ultra-defensive congested footy. I can only hope that the crowds will dwindle away across the board to such a degree that the AFL will be forced to DRASTICALLY reduce the number of interchanges per game and put an end to this blight on the game.
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Great posts RR :clapping
The game is going to a bad state and away from what made it the icon of Australia sport. I fear it will not be able to reverse the current trend of ugly football.
But is it hardwicka fault to fix the ugliness of the game?
Shouldn't he focus on winning a flag?
Are these two things separate?
No, it's not Hardwick's job to fix the ugliness of the game. Just as its' not Hardwick's job to fix the half a dozen or so other things like tanking, drug cheating etc. that I listed which are turning me and possibly many others off the game at a rate of knots. The dilemma for Hardwick and Richmond is that he either doesn't have a plan or the personnel to counter this current trend of ultra-defensive congested footy. I can only hope that the crowds will dwindle away across the board to such a degree that the AFL will be forced to DRASTICALLY reduce the number of interchanges per game and put an end to this blight on the game.
To be honest I cant see it going any way but what you have said
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I completely agree RR
However I don't think hardwick should be portrayed as some kind of hero trying to play sexy football in an era of bleak ugliness. He needs to win ugly or win pretty. The list must at least be competitive regardless of outside circumstances. Fifth year (i think) and he knows what he was getting himself into. The game plan currently is not a hell of a lot more good to watch than thebwo calles ugly teams. And a lotsbleas effective
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FFS this thread title poos me, the Dees are bent over and getting pumped, they are not even lining up with a forward line at all.
Why does this thread holds the Dees up as something to aspire to.
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FFS this thread title poos me, the Dees are bent over and getting pumped, they are not even lining up with a forward line at all.
Why does this thread holds the Dees up as something to aspire to.
How many weeks have you had to wait to post this crap??????
Consistently the have been way better than us!!
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WAT, surely you jest!
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WAT, surely you jest!
Honestly, no, we have been crap since round 2, even our wins have been crap. When the Dees win they look way better than us, as well as that we couldn't beat them... :-\
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Demons have been better than us only once this year and they were lucky it was when we played them.
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WAT, surely you jest!
Honestly, no, we have been crap since round 2, even our wins have been crap. When the Dees win they look way better than us, as well as that we couldn't beat them... :-\
By the way we have been crap since round 1.
WAT does have a point, they easily beat Carlton, won in Adelaide and beat Essendon in 3 of their four wins and beat us also. Whilst we have won in Brissy and GWS and teams below us on the ladder, Melbourne has beaten clubs outside of its third of the ladder and with a younger list and a better more astute coach they are well ahead of us right now. Thing is if the Dees were scheduled to play us next week most on here would be grimacing at the prospect of losing to them.
Roos at least has them playing competitive footy. We get a go at Adelaide at AAMI and won't win and Essendon in a few weeks and pound for pound all things being equal we are not beating them either at this point in time.
If anyone thinks we are ahead of them merely because they struggle to kick goals and we won 1 more game than them then they are living in fantasy land.
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Roos at least has them playing competitive footy.
Did you see the game today?
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:lol
rich 5 wins 98.6% av winning margin 46 losing margin 25
melb 4 wins 74.8% av winning margin 11 losing margin 32
rich lowest 5 scores for the year 51, 52, 69, 72 74
melb lowest 5 score for year - 28, 30, 38, 40,44
rich highest 5 scores for year 154,117,106,98,88
melb highest 5 scores for year 91,83,81,78,78
yep, they have been consistently better than us :whistle
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Roos at least has them playing competitive footy.
Did you see the game today?
I agree they were poor today but they have more upside than us given where our list is compared to theirs.
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:lol
rich 5 wins 98.6% av winning margin 46 losing margin 25
melb 4 wins 74.8% av winning margin 11 losing margin 32
rich lowest 5 scores for the year 51, 52, 69, 72 74
melb lowest 5 score for year - 28, 30, 38, 40,44
rich highest 5 scores for year 154,117,106,98,88
melb highest 5 scores for year 91,83,81,78,78
yep, they have been consistently better than us :whistle
Their list has more upside than us al. Laugh all you want. They have a better coach too but anyway....
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all well and good tucker, if the discussion had been about about who has the most upside or better coach.
but the comment was that melbourne had been consistently better than us, when they have actually been consistently more crap than us.
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FFS this thread title poos me, the Dees are bent over and getting pumped, they are not even lining up with a forward line at all.
Why does this thread holds the Dees up as something to aspire to.
How many weeks have you had to wait to post this crap??????
Consistently the have been way better than us!!
Well to tell you the truth I have posted the same thing after every single week after the thread was first posted
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all well and good tucker, if the discussion had been about about who has the most upside or better coach.
but the comment was that melbourne had been consistently better than us, when they have actually been consistently more crap than us.
Let's see how they twist this
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Demons are laughable even with an amazing coach. They had a 4 week burst of decent negative football but play the most awful style of football imaginable.
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Demons are laughable even with an amazing coach. They had a 4 week burst of decent negative football but play the most awful style of football imaginable.
Would rather watch Elephants mate rather than that crap
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elephants mating is pretty exciting stuff.
nearly as good as dwarf porn.
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Your a sick man Al
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Currently the last two weeks they have been abysmal Al against top shelf opponents but other than their match against West Coast in round 2 and the last few weeks they have been in every game at 3/4 time regardless of the style of footy we play and if we want to take issue with the style of footy we play, we aren't setting the world on fire either.
For Melbourne the level of consistency they needed to find was something along the lines of what they have shown this year so far given where they have come from and the list changes they have made from last year as well as the change of coach and the new style implemented, similar to where we were at the end of 2009. So judging on that you can say that Melbourne have been more consistent if you want to use stats their % was in the low 50's last year and is sitting at 75% now after starting the year with a horrible loss to West Coast and has stabilised after their 3-4 week stretch in May when they won a few games.
As for us our % has only been beefed up by a huge 20 goal win over GWS and beating up on St Kilda and Brissy riddled with some scrappy efforts against Sydney and some woeful efforts against North and Essendon. Our form fluctuates from quarter to quarter based on game tempo and game situation with shows either the coach doesn't know what he's doing or the players are bereft of the ability to put their stamp on a game for longer periods to sway a result their way.
At least with Melbourne atm what you see is what you get. Yes the game style is poor and defensive but the effort is there and whilst the top shelf sides will beat them up as will a few downhill skiers for the most part their efforts against sides 7-12 have been more consistent and level compared to us who play a quarter or a half here or there after a 15-7 season and expect it all to fall into place.
We'll revisit tomorrow al. Hope this answers a few questions from my humble opinion. :thumbsup
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Roos at least has them playing competitive footy.
Did you see the game today?
I agree they were poor today but they have more upside than us given where our list is compared to theirs.
They have limited young quality coming through and I don't think they bat very deep apart from the obvious ones.
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Roos at least has them playing competitive footy.
Did you see the game today?
I agree they were poor today but they have more upside than us given where our list is compared to theirs.
They have limited young quality coming through and I don't think they bat very deep apart from the obvious ones.
They at least are playing many kids unlike us who are playing the same old battlers. They still have Jesse Hogan to get into the side and a few others so at least they are doing the right thing by the club which we did at the comparative stage of 2010. We thought we were on the brink of something big and topped up when we still needed to dip into the draft a few more times rather than stuff to a quick fix success remedy.
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I agree they were poor today but they have more upside than us given where our list is compared to theirs.
They have limited young quality coming through and I don't think they bat very deep apart from the obvious ones.
They at least are playing many kids unlike us who are playing the same old battlers. They still have Jesse Hogan to get into the side and a few others so at least they are doing the right thing by the club which we did at the comparative stage of 2010. We thought we were on the brink of something big and topped up when we still needed to dip into the draft a few more times rather than stuff to a quick fix success remedy.
I agree we should be playing more kids but the fact they are playing more kids doesn't mean their list has more upside. Opinion aside, whether topping up was right or wrong once the season was shot close to the start of the year we should of started playing many more kids
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FFS this thread title poos me, the Dees are bent over and getting pumped, they are not even lining up with a forward line at all.
Why does this thread holds the Dees up as something to aspire to.
How many weeks have you had to wait to post this crap??????
Consistently the have been way better than us!!
Well to tell you the truth I have posted the same thing after every single week after the thread was first posted
Yep that's right sorry...total crap every week!!
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FFS this thread title poos me, the Dees are bent over and getting pumped, they are not even lining up with a forward line at all.
Why does this thread holds the Dees up as something to aspire to.
How many weeks have you had to wait to post this crap??????
Consistently the have been way better than us!!
Well to tell you the truth I have posted the same thing after every single week after the thread was first posted
Yep that's right sorry...total crap every week!!
Thank you for noticing, I am not the Shaun Grigg of OER for nothing
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Currently the last two weeks they have been abysmal Al against top shelf opponents but other than their match against West Coast in round 2 and the last few weeks they have been in every game at 3/4 time regardless of the style of footy we play and if we want to take issue with the style of footy we play, we aren't setting the world on fire either.
For Melbourne the level of consistency they needed to find was something along the lines of what they have shown this year so far given where they have come from and the list changes they have made from last year as well as the change of coach and the new style implemented, similar to where we were at the end of 2009. So judging on that you can say that Melbourne have been more consistent if you want to use stats their % was in the low 50's last year and is sitting at 75% now after starting the year with a horrible loss to West Coast and has stabilised after their 3-4 week stretch in May when they won a few games.
As for us our % has only been beefed up by a huge 20 goal win over GWS and beating up on St Kilda and Brissy riddled with some scrappy efforts against Sydney and some woeful efforts against North and Essendon. Our form fluctuates from quarter to quarter based on game tempo and game situation with shows either the coach doesn't know what he's doing or the players are bereft of the ability to put their stamp on a game for longer periods to sway a result their way.
At least with Melbourne atm what you see is what you get. Yes the game style is poor and defensive but the effort is there and whilst the top shelf sides will beat them up as will a few downhill skiers for the most part their efforts against sides 7-12 have been more consistent and level compared to us who play a quarter or a half here or there after a 15-7 season and expect it all to fall into place.
We'll revisit tomorrow al. Hope this answers a few questions from my humble opinion. :thumbsup
not that i disagree with too much of what you are saying, I just dont see it as showing that melbourne have been consistently better than us, which is the crux of the discussion. particulrily when you take into account that two of those teams we beat up on, melburne lost to.
we have been crap, with some rare patches of good footy, while melburne have been more crap. the only area they have marginally outperformed us has been in scores against, and that is very marginal.Maybe their future does look brighter, maybe it doesn't, but that was not what the original statement was about.
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:lol
rich 5 wins 98.6% av winning margin 46 losing margin 25
melb 4 wins 74.8% av winning margin 11 losing margin 32
rich lowest 5 scores for the year 51, 52, 69, 72 74
melb lowest 5 score for year - 28, 30, 38, 40,44
rich highest 5 scores for year 154,117,106,98,88
melb highest 5 scores for year 91,83,81,78,78
yep, they have been consistently better than us :whistle
Their list has more upside than us al. Laugh all you want. They have a better coach too but anyway....
I agree with the Fistiki on this. Melbourne are in a much much better place list management wise than us and when they smartly offload Frawley for another early R1 pick to give them 2 top 5 picks in this draft they will be way ahead of us. And yes they have a much much better coach than us. Thats just the reality of it.
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Coach makes a huge a difference..less than 12 months ago they were an absolute basket case
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The problem with Melbourne is that they are still doing things by halves.
They have much work to do with the list - I will call it now, they will trade draft picks for players in the off season and it will be a 50:50 to come off.
Vince, Dawes, Cross, Pederson are all limited footballers and Watts, terlich, Tapscott and Frawley have probably peaked in terms of their development.
Roos is gone in 1-2 seasons, so in effect they start again - the apprentice hasn't even started so who knows what happens in a couple of seasons.
They have no money and are relying on a couple of key people to a lot of heavy lifting.
People who think Melbourne are in a better place than us aren't being objective.
In fact, I would argue if we were in Melbourne's shoes right now those same posters would be hugely critical of their half baked approach to rebuilding the club.
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Almost twenty goals vs a top four side
Yeh get on the Dees
LMAO
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Last 3 weeks ago
OMG WE ARE AMAZING
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Why can't we be like the Dees and get close to a top four side like Port.
FFS they almost beat them in a great grinding low scoring spectacle of football
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melbourne and footscray going very well. You can keep taking the urine chucky but they are catching us quick due to list mismanagement
good young up and coming lists
hello Damien. hows them list cloggers
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Today's game was vomit
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melbourne and footscray going very well. You can keep taking the urine chucky but they are catching us quick due to list mismanagement
good young up and coming lists
hello Damien. hows them list cloggers
Did you watch today's game
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Doggies Yes
Dees No
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melbourne and footscray going very well. You can keep taking the urine chucky but they are catching us quick due to list mismanagement
good young up and coming lists
hello Damien. hows them list cloggers
Yea right :ROTFL
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Another classic thread, needs to be deleted, we are the laughing stock of footy forums out there
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I was wondering when this thread would be bumped ;D
I like the way the Bulldogs are playing - just not sure if they have the cattle to pull it off.
Similarly, you can see how Roos is building from the back line but boy what a painful way for a supporter to see a rebuild.
Yesterday's game,e was every bit as bad as Roos described it.
No point hiding behind rhetoric grant Thomas - it was garbage
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FFS even Blobbo can see it
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/paul-roos-has-melbourne-demons-playing-defensive-footy-but-it-isnt-working-anymore/story-fni5f91a-1227013322093
Seriously, you haven’t seen the game, then don’t.
It is a peculiar time for the Demons.
Respect built up over much of the season has virtually disappeared. In four weeks they have kicked just 25 goals. The Crows have kicked 64 and even GWS has 38.
Thats an average of 6.25 goals per game.
Yeah lets hold them up as something to aspire to.
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I'd still rather have Roos than Hardwick.
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by a long way
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Would rather have Ratten than Hardwick....
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By a long way.
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Dees kicked 9 against the Dawks, they are on the up :clapping
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Dees kicked 9 against the Dawks, they are on the up :clapping
We kicked 7 and lost by 3 goals more. The difference between us and Melbourne when we played.
How handy would those four points be now, or the four the Dogs got against us?
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still gotta say it. not a lot of difference between these sides. despite a surge that will ultimately hurt us.
said at the start of the yr there were 10 12 sides all about the same place and the way the yrs gone that premise is correct.
if people think we are miles in front of sides placed 5th thru 16th they are still kidding themselves.
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Claw who is saying we are "Miles ahead of 5th-13th"?
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Claw who is saying we are "Miles ahead of 5th-13th"?
just the impression i get in reading threads and forums. people rip into sides around us yet sugar coat what we do.
what concerns me most is as i stated these sides are not too far apart yet melbourne and dogs acknowledge they are very much in building mode. and will continue to cut and turn over plenty of players utilising good picks from the lower finishes that playing as many kids as possible brings.
where as we are in top up mode and it seems unlikely to cut more than 4 or 5 players including rookies.we will hang on to players based on players who have shown time and time again they are incapable of sustaing good footy for any decent length of time and more often than not fail abysmally against the better sides. just look at this yr , or take it further and look at our players careers as individuals.
look at some stage we were always going to have to upgrade on most of the upgrades while still cutting out the duds. this is where we are at. we have too many ordinary or inconsistent players and we need to continue to turn over players to build a good list.
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Craw, what makes you think that either the Doggies or the Demons are anywhere near those sides from 5-13th?
Realistically, the Demons are a mile away from even Carlton and the Bulldogs aren't much better.
I'm not so sure any side from Carlton up has the same list deficiencies as they do.
Alternately, I'm pretty sure a similar gap exists in the top 4 or 5 to those clubs beneath them.
Cats, Hawks, Freo and Swans have the elite lists that the middle of the road sides are trying to catch up to.
I'd ask any posters out there to refute that we have much to do in order to catch up to the top 4 and prove craw wrong but I'd very much doubt it.
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Dees 3 goals against GWS at the G, LMAO
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3 goals for a whole match in good footy conditions and outrun by a young inexperienced new team that had just one fit player on the bench for most of the game. It says it all that Rhys Palmer outscored Melbourne lol. It sadly also shows how pathetically we were playing in the first half of the year that we lost to that rabble :facepalm and it could that game that costs us a place in the finals :facepalm.
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Melbourne and Norf should be asked to merge by the AFL. Its in both their interests and would help the player pool.
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Ramps, I agree.
While at it, I would move the saints to Tassie, the western bulldogs to GWS and go with a 15 team comp.
Games would be a higher quality and everyone gets a bye a week.
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"rook, you risten here. Melbon rill finish higher than Richmond this year."
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ftgAG3Vnif8/hqdefault.jpg)
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Claw who is saying we are "Miles ahead of 5th-13th"?
just the impression i get in reading threads and forums. people rip into sides around us yet sugar coat what we do.
what concerns me most is as i stated these sides are not too far apart yet melbourne and dogs acknowledge they are very much in building mode. and will continue to cut and turn over plenty of players utilising good picks from the lower finishes that playing as many kids as possible brings.
where as we are in top up mode and it seems unlikely to cut more than 4 or 5 players including rookies.we will hang on to players based on players who have shown time and time again they are incapable of sustaing good footy for any decent length of time and more often than not fail abysmally against the better sides. just look at this yr , or take it further and look at our players careers as individuals.
look at some stage we were always going to have to upgrade on most of the upgrades while still cutting out the duds. this is where we are at. we have too many ordinary or inconsistent players and we need to continue to turn over players to build a good list.
FFS claw. Melbourne have acknowledged that they have been in a rebuilding mode for 10 years and have had zillions of "low" picks in that time.
People do not realise that low picks are not everything. Team spirit, team gelling and the right culture are far more important than a few places higher up in the draft order. Your method of continually turning over 8 or more players does nothing for morale and putting team first too.
I agree with much of what you say but you RARELY admit you ever get it wrong. I think you have it wrong here.
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2nd and 3rd quarters no goals whatsoever.
With the last few drafts being compromised they basically have the nucleus of their team moving forward and I believe..........they need another rebuild as they suck
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Dees have asked AFL for a priority pick
AFL should say stuff off and start playing winning football instead of tanking
A few words from their supporters on this site may be timely now
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Priority picks are a joke in that they disadvantage the rest of the competition. Too many compromised drafts lately. Pee off 'Dees'. Fold already.
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Priority picks are a joke in that they disadvantage the rest of the competition. Too many compromised drafts lately. Pee off 'Dees'. Fold already.
The more picks they get the more girls they draft anyway, waste of spaces
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"rook, you risten here. Melbon rill finish higher than Richmond this year."
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ftgAG3Vnif8/hqdefault.jpg)
:lol