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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on July 05, 2014, 09:34:13 PM
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Rance rolled his ankle but played on. Apart from that we got through today with no injuries.
Fire away with your changes, if any?
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OUTS: Foley, Arnot, O'Hanlon (got keep up with the scapegoats ;D)
INS: favourites who are available eg Thomas :rollin
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When is Grigg due back from injury? Reckon he'll get a run in the two's?
Thomas for Arnot is a lock. Especially since we are playing his old side.
On the rebound from two losses. :help
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Sorry Never ever want to see Arnott again
Thomas in to replace him
OHanlon out ?
McBean in
Expose Port height down back ?
Morris In Vlastin in
Out Dea ? foley ?
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OUTS: Foley, Arnot, O'Hanlon (got keep up with the scapegoats ;D)
INS: favourites who are available eg Thomas :rollin
Foley won't be dropped , nowhere near
Arnot or o hanlon didn't do a great deal nor Did Newman ...would like to bring McDonough or Lennon back in ...if arnot got dropped from here you'd think that's a line thru him
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Got a few tricks this kid, certainly has no trouble finding it, nine possies in 30 odd minutes, would have liked him to have grabbed that ball on the flank and roasted it through the middle for a sealer rather than fumble it....first game in a while in a pressure cooker , deserves another chance :shh
Changed your opinion on O'Hanlon in the space of a few hours BJ? :lol :rollin :lol
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Arnot looks ordinary - drop for Thomas. Foley out for Vlaustin and Dea our Morris.
O'Hanlon was nervy - give him another week imo.
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Saw Arnot lay a couple of heavy tackles today.
That alone gets him another few games in this side.
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Yeah lets bring the gun Thomarse back and stick him in the forward pocket too then see how well he goes.
Hilarious stuff.
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Hampson to stay out
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Saw Arnot lay a couple of heavy tackles today.
That alone gets him another few games in this side.
Big problem is that he couldn't get a kick against a bottom 4 team
He is gone !!!
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Why play kids for a week?
Arnott and O'Hanlon have earnt 3-4 weeks in the seniors.
On the other hand, Newman. Bacharach. Axel.
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Cause hardwick wants to play the oldest 22 people on the list
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Some of the youngsters we have drafted start off really well and then just seem to stagnate for ever.Vlas is one.I have no doubt he will be a very good player for us but seems to be treading water at present.
I would say Arnott,elton,Griff,are nother group who just cant seem to step up.Maybe their development is being stifled by this extraordinary recruitment of recycled players we have got.
All credit thought to Ellis who appeared early this season to be following the same path but seems to have really turned it round of late.
Mc bean is one who is hard to judge as he has had a series of injuries.
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Cause hardwick wants to play the oldest 22 people on the list
Maybe if their play in the twos demanded selection they could get a game without being gifted
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Cause hardwick wants to play the oldest 22 people on the list
Maybe selectionplay in the twos demanded selection they could get a game without being gifted
Can't have your cake and eat it
What you say is fair enough - but why apply these rules to the kids in the twos - and yet the coach favorite's mid age players in the ones that consistently play at a low level as near undroppable? dont the senior players have to demand selection via performance also?
Miles almost went at half a season, at bog each week with 40 odd touches getting tags. Yet it stilltook months for himto get a game - and the coACH stated he was surprised with miles output.
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Cause hardwick wants to play the oldest 22 people on the list
Maybe selectionplay in the twos demanded selection they could get a game without being gifted
Can't have your cake and eat it
What you say is fair enough - but why apply these rules to the kids in the twos - and yet the coach favorite's mid age players in the ones that consistently play at a low level as near undroppable? dont the senior players have to demand selection via performance also?
Miles almost went at half a season, at bog each week with 40 odd touches getting tags. Yet it stilltook months for himto get a game - and the coACH stated he was surprised with miles output.
You just bentified my quote
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Just read Craig Cameron is ready to return to footy.
Must be employed immediately.
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Outs- Houli, Petterd, Batchelor
Ins- Morris, McBean, Vlastuin.
Surely bling Freddie can see the 3 ins are miles better than the 3 outs.
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Outs- Houli, Petterd, Batchelor
Ins- Morris, McBean, Vlastuin.
Surely bling Freddie can see the 3 ins are miles better than the 3 outs.
Curious big tone - you didn't rate Petterd's game yesterday? I thought he was in our best half dozen
Not disputing the deficiencies in his game but offers a bit more than a number of others when it comes to putting his body on the line and attacking contests
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He might not have the polish or skill of some of his team mates but if they all produced the same level of effort and endeavour then we would be much higher on the ladder than we are at present.
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Nothing personal against pettard but he's OK at best..
Would would u have him in the side over
Morris - who is three times as tough
Bean - who is three times as much potential
Vlastuin - wwho just better
I'd keep pettard on the list over a lot of people
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Not a fair question Bents, he doesn't play the same role as any of those. I agree he's not a great player but he gives 110% at each and every contest and that is something we have been embarrassingly poor at all year. I'd play him each and every week - leave those not prepared to give it all in the 2's until they proved they will and can force him out but that's not going to happen in the current environment of walk-up starts and protected species.
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Vlas and morris give more than pettard if toughness at contest is by your benchmark of choice
The don't play the identically position - but these days all non kpp are interchangeable
Again i got nothing against pettard he's OK. If I were in charge I'd keep him on the current list blockers for depth
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That we're discussing who gives more is an indictment on the clubs recruiting and development....just sayin'
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Outs- Houli, Petterd, Batchelor
Ins- Morris, McBean, Vlastuin.
Surely bling Freddie can see the 3 ins are miles better than the 3 outs.
Curious big tone - you didn't rate Petterd's game yesterday? I thought he was in our best half dozen
Not disputing the deficiencies in his game but offers a bit more than a number of others when it comes to putting his body on the line and attacking contests
Didn't think he did much yesterday.
But my 'outs' were not just on yesterday's game. Just think we can do better than Petterd. Honest player but just not good enough IMO.
Morris and Vlastuin are automatic inclusions IMO and McBean I think has earned the chance over a player like Ricky.
My question for you WP is, could you rely on Petterd in a big game to produce his best? Need to work out who can and who cannot.
IMO when the season is over like it is, you don't play players like Petter if you have players in the twos that could play a similar role and who has been playing well down there.
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Nothing personal against pettard but he's OK at best..
Would would u have him in the side over
Morris - who is three times as tough
Bean - who is three times as much potential
Vlastuin - wwho just better
I'd keep pettard on the list over a lot of people
But it isn't just about whether he should be in ahead of player A, B or C simply because they are available for selection this week.
It should also be about why should Petterd get dropped ahead of others who refuse to the very things he does unconditionally. Petterd played better than foley and Arnot yesterday. So why should be be dropped before them?
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Not a fair question Bents, he doesn't play the same role as any of those. I agree he's not a great player but he gives 110% at each and every contest and that is something we have been embarrassingly poor at all year. I'd play him each and every week - leave those not prepared to give it all in the 2's until they proved they will and can force him out but that's not going to happen in the current environment of walk-up starts and protected species.
At a point in time, Pettard creates the spirit of competition for spots in the 22 purely based on effort and application.
Unfortunately, I thought his talent equalled the quality of competition that defined our 2011-12 teams but sadly that hasn't quite worked out for us in 2014. :-\
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Outs- Houli, Petterd, Batchelor
Ins- Morris, McBean, Vlastuin.
Surely bling Freddie can see the 3 ins are miles better than the 3 outs.
Curious big tone - you didn't rate Petterd's game yesterday? I thought he was in our best half dozen
Not disputing the deficiencies in his game but offers a bit more than a number of others when it comes to putting his body on the line and attacking contests
Didn't think he did much yesterday.
But my 'outs' were not just on yesterday's game. Just think we can do better than Petterd. Honest player but just not good enough IMO.
Morris and Vlastuin are automatic inclusions IMO and McBean I think has earned the chance over a player like Ricky.
My question for you WP is, could you rely on Petterd in a big game to produce his best? Need to work out who can can and who cannot.
IMO when the season is over like it is, you don't play players like Petter if you have players in the twos that could play a similar role and who has been playing well down there.
I agree with you about needing to see what the kids offer and whether they are good enough. I've been banging on about that for weeks now.
Just don't agree with dropping blokes who played their role just to bring back blokes who are available for selection. Petterd is one of the very few players we have that I never walk away from a game and think he didn't give his all. Just think there are a few ahead of him that deserve the axe.
I also know I am in the minority but I don't see Morris as an automatic selection now. His inability to keep his feet at crucial stages and his decision making in relation to when to go the bump or the tackle have been costly. BTW this is something I had concerns about last year (copped a few whacks for it too) and I haven't seen anything this year to change my mind. I see him as a favourite now, therefore by definition an automatic selection.
Then just for good measure throw in the fact that he has an injury that requires surgery then can anyone tell me why we are still playing him when our season is shot?
By all means play the kids but bring them in for those who should be dropped for poor performances not for those who are doing the right thing
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Outs- Houli, Petterd, Batchelor
Ins- Morris, McBean, Vlastuin.
Surely bling Freddie can see the 3 ins are miles better than the 3 outs.
Curious big tone - you didn't rate Petterd's game yesterday? I thought he was in our best half dozen
Not disputing the deficiencies in his game but offers a bit more than a number of others when it comes to putting his body on the line and attacking contests
Didn't think he did much yesterday.
But my 'outs' were not just on yesterday's game. Just think we can do better than Petterd. Honest player but just not good enough IMO.
Morris and Vlastuin are automatic inclusions IMO and McBean I think has earned the chance over a player like Ricky.
My question for you WP is, could you rely on Petterd in a big game to produce his best? Need to work out who can can and who cannot.
IMO when the season is over like it is, you don't play players like Petter if you have players in the twos that could play a similar role and who has been playing well down there.
I agree with you about needing to see what the kids offer and whether they are good enough. I've been banging on about that for weeks now.
Just don't agree with dropping blokes who played their role just to bring back blokes who are available for selection. Petterd is one of the very few players we have that I never walk away from a game and think he didn't give his all. Just think there are a few ahead of him that deserve the axe.
I also know I am in the minority but I don't see Morris as an automatic selection now. His inability to keep his feet at crucial stages and his decision making in relation to when to go the bump or the tackle have been costly. BTW this is something I had concerns about last year (copped a few whacks for it too) and I haven't seen anything this year to change my mind. I see him as a favourite now, therefore by definition an automatic selection.
Then just for good measure throw in the fact that he has an injury that requires surgery then can anyone tell me why we are still playing him when our season is shot?
By all means play the kids but bring them in for those who should be dropped for poor performances not for those who are doing the right thing
Someone that gives his all is fantastic in Petterd's case but if you are not up to it, it doesn't really matter. The Dees got rid of him because he is no good when they we're even worse. A good trier or a good clubman will only get you so far.
As for Morris, I simply think you are wrong. On one hand you talk about Petterd 'giving his all' and then you want to rubbish Morris who gives more than anyone in a Tigers jumper. What the??
And don't even get me started on your opinion on Thomas. He has his deficiencies like Petterd but I don't think you can argue he gives his all.
Let's be honest, they are all pathetic baring a few. Including the coaching staff. :thumbsup
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Nothing personal against pettard but he's OK at best..
Would would u have him in the side over
Morris - who is three times as tough
Bean - who is three times as much potential
Vlastuin - wwho just better
I'd keep pettard on the list over a lot of people
Petterd is a much better footballer than Morris , every day of the week
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Someone that gives his all is fantastic in Petterd's case but if you are not up to it, it doesn't really matter. The Dees got rid of him because he is no good when they we're even worse. A good trier or a good clubman will only get you so far.
As for Morris, I simply think you are wrong. On one hand you talk about Petterd 'giving his all' and then you want to rubbish Morris who gives more than anyone in a Tigers jumper. What the??
And don't even get me started on your opinion on Thomas. He has his deficiencies like Petterd but I don't think you can argue he gives his all.
Let's be honest, they are all pathetic baring a few. Including the coaching staff. :thumbsup
Hold on a minute.
I have never once questioned Thomas' endeavours, his attack on a contest, his courage. My issue with him is his deficiencies in his disposal which even you admit exist. So I reckon it is fair to say he and Petterd are on par with their deficiencies (disposal) so perhaps we should apply the same rules to both regarding their selection or non selection. ;D
As for Morris, did I question whether Morris "gives his all"? Again no I didn't. What I did was raise something I think is a deficiency in his game. They are 2 very different things aren't they? Or do we only question certain players deficiencies and not others? Are you saying that he has zero do eficiencies in his game?
What I will say and did say is I don't think he should be an automatic selection anymore. But he remains one because his one of the favourites. And believe me there is no doubt in my mind he is a favourite. I think there are only a handful that should be automatic selections. But going on what we've witnessed during 2014 at the selection table you'd think that the majority are automatics
I reckon we could raise an argument for a deficiency in any player. All players have them it's just that they tend to get overlooked with certain blokes and put under the microscope with others
I agree with your last statement though, that's just another reason we are in the mess we find ourselves in this year.
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Morris,
Another Hardwick tries to mould into his own likeness....
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Nothing personal against pettard but he's OK at best..
Would would u have him in the side over
Morris - who is three times as tough
Bean - who is three times as much potential
Vlastuin - wwho just better
I'd keep pettard on the list over a lot of people
Petterd is a much better footballer than Morris , every day of the week
If they are both going for the same 50/50 ball morris would win 8/10,times
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More so morris being able do a job on small forward wins votes
Pettard dime a dozen
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Morris is much more valuable than Pettard. Pettard would be killed by some of the small forwards that Morro has shut down.
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I'm far from the biggest Pettard fan but you can't drop him on recent form. Good on him for getting 25 possies but I think he would be better for us playing deeper forward in a defensive 3rd tall type role and getting 10 kicks for 3 goals. A slightly better version of McGuane if you like.
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Saw Arnot lay a couple of heavy tackles today.
That alone gets him another few games in this side.
Arnot needs to get more of the ball however I thought he was okay. His tackle in the third quarter was a ripper. He is one of the few in the team whose tackles stick. He also had 16 pressure acts. Should be given a second chance. O'Hanlon looked okay. Should be given a second chance. Houli and Foley should be dropped. Both turned over the ball too much. Need composure of Vlas. Would bring in Morris as well.
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I'm far from the biggest Pettard fan but you can't drop him on recent form. Good on him for getting 25 possies but I think he would be better for us playing deeper forward in a defensive 3rd tall type role and getting 10 kicks for 3 goals. A slightly better version of McGuane if you like.
Totally agree. If you are going to play him play him in the forward line.
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I'm far from the biggest Pettard fan but you can't drop him on recent form. Good on him for getting 25 possies but I think he would be better for us playing deeper forward in a defensive 3rd tall type role and getting 10 kicks for 3 goals. A slightly better version of McGuane if you like.
Totally agree. If you are going to play him play him in the forward line.
True. His iffy disposal can kill us in the backline. He is a handy defensive forward though. Knows how to kick a goal too.
Not our worst at all this year.
At least he puts his body on the line. Some of his teammates should follow his example....
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His disposal is no more iffy than martins or cotchins .... FACT :shh
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Someone that gives his all is fantastic in Petterd's case but if you are not up to it, it doesn't really matter. The Dees got rid of him because he is no good when they we're even worse. A good trier or a good clubman will only get you so far.
As for Morris, I simply think you are wrong. On one hand you talk about Petterd 'giving his all' and then you want to rubbish Morris who gives more than anyone in a Tigers jumper. What the??
And don't even get me started on your opinion on Thomas. He has his deficiencies like Petterd but I don't think you can argue he gives his all.
Let's be honest, they are all pathetic baring a few. Including the coaching staff. :thumbsup
ATM I would be playing all of them, Petterd, Morris (if his shoulder wasn't stuffed - he should actually be in rehab if the club had half a brain) and Thomas, and my reason is simple - the coaching group have created the current situation by gifting games to favourites, downhill skiers and non-triers. The whole list needs to learn and understand that the not-negotiable Hardwick banged on about when he was first appointed is set in stone and unless you go when it's your turn then you don't play - pure and simple. Make that simple edict truly not-negotiable and stick by it so that then, when the hunger returns, you will find the Petterds et al will be forced from the team by better performing players and that will mean we are playing confident winning football again. There is no fear among our best 22 of playing for their position in the team or reward for the younger players having a dip in the 2's and that leads exactly to where we are now - a lazy, disinterested team bereft of any heart or confidence.
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His disposal is no more iffy than martins or cotchins .... FACT :shh
You can fact on as much as u like about the kicking wonders of pettard and Thomas as much as u like
But the eyes say martin and Cotchin are on another level
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The Barometer - Round 17
Herald-Sun
07 July 2014
RICHMOND
ON THE BLOCK: Matthew Arnot and Bret O’Hanlon would be the most likely to miss after sluggish performances at the weekend.
ON THE CUSP: Steven Morris is set to return after serving his one-match ban. Shaun Hampson could come in to stretch Port Adelaide’s defence. Sam Lloyd was the pick of the Tigers’ on VFL duty from Matt McDonough and Liam McBean who kicked five goals in the win over Melbourne affiliate Casey Scorpions.
GILBERT GARDINER’S FORECAST: It was ugly but a win nonetheless. The Tigers must find another gear to be any chance of knocking over Port Adelaide at Etihad Stadium on Sunday. Trent Cotchin is back to his best while Dustin Martin tightened his grip on the Tigers’ best-and-fairest with 34 disposals at the weekend.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/the-barometer-gary-ablett-patrick-dangerfield-among-stars-in-doubt-for-round-17/story-fnelctok-1226980337503
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Shaun Hampson could come in to stretch Port Adelaide’s defence.
yeah right, all that means is the hampson's opponent can double team JR
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Bet that baby's been dropped half a dozen times by now :whistle
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I'm far from the biggest Pettard fan but you can't drop him on recent form. Good on him for getting 25 possies but I think he would be better for us playing deeper forward in a defensive 3rd tall type role and getting 10 kicks for 3 goals. A slightly better version of McGuane if you like.
Totally agree. If you are going to play him play him in the forward line.
True. His iffy disposal can kill us in the backline. He is a handy defensive forward though. Knows how to kick a goal too.
Not our worst at all this year.
At least he puts his body on the line. Some of his teammates should follow his example....
He is a frustrating player. His goal in the third quarter was good. He made the most of an appalling kick into the forward line and used some guile to win a free. He had the equal most tackles in the game and did put his body on the line. On the other hand he had the most clangers and his disposal is at best average. He is definitely not the future but at the moment has his nose in front of other average players at the club.
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im with tony on morris.
regardless of deficienmcies and wp is correct about morris's deficiencies, morris remains by some margin the best bet we have to play on opposition quick sml fwds.
on arnot geez the gulf between the performance level of thomas and arnot is that huge it just cant be ignored. yet id be happy to see arnot get another game or two at thomas or jacksons expense. but who in their right mind could blame the club if they did cut arnot this week.
its the same with ohanlon personally dont see the point in playing a bloke i wouid cut and would be happy to see mcbean get a run. in saying that have a good look at ohanlon over 3 or 4 weeks and give him a proper opportunity. its not as if winning is the priority right now is it.
the forgotten player i would really like to see get a few games is helbig of hb.
ive given up posting sides mainly because its pointless the club has become inflexible and its a waste of time even conjecturing who could come in.
athe side i would like to see but i know it wont happen is
b/ grimes - chaplin - morris
hb/ helbig - rance - dea.
c/ deledio - vlastuin - foley
r/ maric - cotchin - miles.
hf/ martin - vickery - gordon/lennon
f/ lloyd/mcdonough - riewoldt - mcbean/elton.
int/ ellis - thomas/arnot/jackson - conca - edwards.
it is amazing at how few good options we have in each position.
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Chaplin the glaring weakness.
My kingdom for an astbury
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on arnot geez the gulf between the performance level of thomas and arnot is that huge it just cant be ignored. yet id be happy to see arnot get another game or two at thomas or jacksons expense. but who in their right mind could blame the club if they did cut arnot this week.
Interesting santa, don't recall Thomas ever playing in the forward pocket.
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Someone that gives his all is fantastic in Petterd's case but if you are not up to it, it doesn't really matter. The Dees got rid of him because he is no good when they we're even worse. A good trier or a good clubman will only get you so far.
As for Morris, I simply think you are wrong. On one hand you talk about Petterd 'giving his all' and then you want to rubbish Morris who gives more than anyone in a Tigers jumper. What the??
And don't even get me started on your opinion on Thomas. He has his deficiencies like Petterd but I don't think you can argue he gives his all.
Let's be honest, they are all pathetic baring a few. Including the coaching staff. :thumbsup
ATM I would be playing all of them, Petterd, Morris (if his shoulder wasn't stuffed - he should actually be in rehab if the club had half a brain) and Thomas, and my reason is simple - the coaching group have created the current situation by gifting games to favourites, downhill skiers and non-triers. The whole list needs to learn and understand that the not-negotiable Hardwick banged on about when he was first appointed is set in stone and unless you go when it's your turn then you don't play - pure and simple. Make that simple edict truly not-negotiable and stick by it so that then, when the hunger returns, you will find the Petterds et al will be forced from the team by better performing players and that will mean we are playing confident winning football again. There is no fear among our best 22 of playing for their position in the team or reward for the younger players having a dip in the 2's and that leads exactly to where we are now - a lazy, disinterested team bereft of any heart or confidence.
Good post Smoke
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In the Mix - Round 17
Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
8 July 2014
RICHMOND
Defender Steven Morris has served his one-match suspension for a pair of high bumps and is available to return against Port Adelaide on Sunday. The Tigers should also be boosted by the return of midfielder Matt Thomas, who was a late withdrawal last week with Achilles tendon soreness, as well as Nick Vlastuin, who missed with a corked thigh. In the VFL, mature-age recruit Sam Lloyd is fighting hard to regain his place in the forward line. He booted two goals at the weekend and was among the Tigers' best players, winning 15 of his 20 possessions in contests. Tall forward Liam McBean booted five goals, while midfielder Matt McDonough finished with two goals and 24 possessions. Prized draftee Ben Lennon was played forward, tackled well and should regain his spot at AFL level in the coming weeks.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-08/in-the-mix-round-17
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Chaplin the glaring weakness.
My kingdom for an astbury
pppfffffttt as bad as hes been hes a better player than arsebury. blind faith gotta love it.
you would think by some comments astbury has taken the league by storm. what we have had is barely passable. hes still a promising prospect but hes done nothing to say he will be anything above average.
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Chaplin the glaring weakness.
My kingdom for an astbury
pppfffffttt as bad as hes been hes a better player than arsebury. blind faith gotta love it.
you would think by some comments astbury has taken the league by storm. what we have had is barely passable. hes still a promising prospect but hes done nothing to say he will be anything above average.
Astbury has had a much better year than Chaplin even with injury and has the benefit of youth.
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McGuane had better years down back than the one Chaplin's having.
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Chaplin the glaring weakness.
My kingdom for an astbury
pppfffffttt as bad as hes been hes a better player than arsebury. blind faith gotta love it.
you would think by some comments astbury has taken the league by storm. what we have had is barely passable. hes still a promising prospect but hes done nothing to say he will be anything above average.
Rubbish.
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Chaplin the glaring weakness.
My kingdom for an astbury
pppfffffttt as bad as hes been hes a better player than arsebury. blind faith gotta love it.
you would think by some comments astbury has taken the league by storm. what we have had is barely passable. hes still a promising prospect but hes done nothing to say he will be anything above average.
Disagree completely. Astbury this year has shown what he can do. Until he was injured he had played exceptionally well.
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Chaplin the glaring weakness.
My kingdom for an astbury
pppfffffttt as bad as hes been hes a better player than arsebury. blind faith gotta love it.
you would think by some comments astbury has taken the league by storm. what we have had is barely passable. hes still a promising prospect but hes done nothing to say he will be anything above average.
Crap post from you, Clawski. Whats with the 'Arseberry' crack? He was our best defender before he went down, and much better than Chaplin. You bang on about how we need a big KPD to play on Gorilla forwards, but then you cant even acknowledge when we have one with good form.
And dont come out with the 'geez you'd think he was the best defender in the league' poo, because no one i saying that.